Speaker 1: Hello Internet, and welcome to this afternoon edition of Trendrick
Speaker 1: Lamar's Euphoria. Because it's a trending episode. And you know what,
Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar drop the track at eight twenty four am.
Speaker 1: If you didn't pick up on all the details there
Speaker 1: right after the People's Goat Lebron James was eliminated from
Speaker 1: Championship contention, There's a lot in there and we are
Speaker 1: going to get into that because I do think that
Speaker 1: it's relevant and it is absolutely trending all over Twitter.
Speaker 1: And who better to do that with than are very
Speaker 1: very most favorite MC from the Zeitgeist universe, from the
Speaker 1: podcasting universe. Not just an EMC, just a poet, a father,
Speaker 1: a scholar, purveyor of fantastic coffee, mister Prop himself, Jason,
Speaker 1: Do I call you Jason better? Can I just call you? Look?
Speaker 2: The government's fine. You know what I'm saying. You can?
Speaker 2: You can definitely do that.
Speaker 3: You have crossed that threshold into being able to say.
Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm gonna call you Prop anyway. Please welcome
Speaker 1: Prop Prop. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: How's everybody feeling?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Man, score Earth right now,
Speaker 1: you've scorged Earth. Absolutely, we are going to get to that,
Speaker 1: you know, because we have been texting each other NonStop
Speaker 1: since the track came out, being I know, what did
Speaker 1: he think he could accepted? This guy? What the ones?
Speaker 1: So exactly, We're gonna have a bit of a moment
Speaker 1: to do that. But first we are going to get
Speaker 1: to some trending stories, because there is some pressing news
Speaker 1: happening in our world outside of just you know, the
Speaker 1: fun rap beefs that we have out here. The first
Speaker 1: one is UCLA, my alma mater. It is trending because I,
Speaker 1: like I referenced in other episodes, I was proud to
Speaker 1: see that the students at UCLA have also created an
Speaker 1: encampment in solidarity with the people of Palestine and also
Speaker 1: urging the regents of the UC system to divest from
Speaker 1: Israel if possible, and you know, on also advocating for
Speaker 1: things like a ceasefire, but mostly it's about trying to
Speaker 1: cut financial ties with an apartheid state. And it's been
Speaker 1: a peaceful protest, uh And things were peaceful until last
Speaker 1: night when a group of pro Israel pro Zionists demonstrators,
Speaker 1: I guess counter protesters, I don't even know if they're
Speaker 1: counter protesters. These people pulled up and just started attacking students,
Speaker 1: breaking down the barricades, hitting them with bear mace, throwing
Speaker 1: bricks into the encampment, like lobbing bricks over, like the
Speaker 1: offences into the encampment, throwing fireworks. People are getting hit
Speaker 1: over the head with two by fours, like full on
Speaker 1: violent assaults recurring to peaceful student protesters. As the LAPD
Speaker 1: and UCLA Campus Safety they did fucking nothing, they Yeah, honestly,
Speaker 1: I think as many people were used this were basically
Speaker 1: describing it as, you know, just just letting the goons
Speaker 1: do the violence that maybe they would do. And they said,
Speaker 1: you know what, we're gonna sit this one out. You guys,
Speaker 1: go ahead and brutalize these peaceful protesters and guess what,
Speaker 1: we'll just look the other way or laugh, which we.
Speaker 2: Saw awesome, Like y'all shouldn't been out here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we had, I tell you, yeah exactly. It's
Speaker 1: a really really hard to watch man like that. Quad
Speaker 1: I had very fond memories of being on the campus
Speaker 1: there and to see it turned into this like war
Speaker 1: zone and is being reported on as like this sort
Speaker 1: of like both sides the thing like on ABC News,
Speaker 1: like because of the violence, classes have been canceled, and
Speaker 1: it's like you aren't. No one is actually being sincere
Speaker 1: in describing what's happening. That's like the most frustrating thing
Speaker 1: with how the news has been covering all of this,
Speaker 1: whether it's trying to just focus on and I'm not
Speaker 1: denying I'm not saying there are no anti Semitic people
Speaker 1: that are trying to co opt these There absolutely are.
Speaker 1: But when you are focusing and dissengent, like for example
Speaker 1: in Colombia, where there are people doing shit outside of
Speaker 1: the campus and saying that that's part of the Columbia protest,
Speaker 1: that's not accurate, and you're painting it with a different
Speaker 1: brush and giving people a different idea of what's actually happening.
Speaker 1: We're talking about peaceful protesters who are here, who do
Speaker 1: not who are just as in senses most people are,
Speaker 1: by seeing the violence unfold there and saying in the
Speaker 1: way that they feel they can exert their power and influence,
Speaker 1: they're saying, I'm trying to put an end to it,
Speaker 1: and they're being attacked by just what fucking goons like
Speaker 1: I don't know, somewhere there's just.
Speaker 2: So much, like so many thoughts about that.
Speaker 3: It's like you're just from just knowing, not even deep history,
Speaker 3: but just like recent history. It was almost like we
Speaker 3: knew this day was coming that, you know, we're told
Speaker 3: from elementary school that like, what makes our country different
Speaker 3: is you have free speech, and if you don't like
Speaker 3: what's going on, you can vote, you can protest, you
Speaker 3: can make your voice known. You know, you vote with
Speaker 3: your wallet, you vote with your you know, you vote
Speaker 3: with your feet. And then you go to college and
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, word, okay, well yeah, here's our request
Speaker 3: a little bit and I'm gonna spread my wings and
Speaker 3: you're met with violence and it's like, well, I mean,
Speaker 3: y'all were the ones that said And then the part
Speaker 3: that even blows my mind to I'm like, I'm looking
Speaker 3: at the faculty and staff, not necessarily the faculty, but
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the adults in the room, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: ain't you the kids like Vietnam War protesters and we're
Speaker 3: theay college kids, Like don't you what's wrong with y'all's memory?
Speaker 1: Like from what I remember, they weren't on the wrong
Speaker 1: side of history protesting.
Speaker 2: It seems like they were correct.
Speaker 1: Huh, so that's what we're gonna do. Yeah, it's it's disheartening,
Speaker 1: and like I said, you know, like I think it's
Speaker 1: it's really troubling for people who are part of any
Speaker 1: marginalized or press community because you know, this country, America
Speaker 1: is a white supremacist capitalist patriarchy or an imperialist capitalist patriarchy,
Speaker 1: however you want to do that. But you go, you
Speaker 1: begin to push against any of those tenants, you will
Speaker 1: be met with state violence. It just doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: you were there to support those tenants, you will be
Speaker 1: supported by the state. And it's like it's just very easy,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, if you're running a drift of what
Speaker 1: the true values are of the United States, if the
Speaker 1: police are fucking you up or protecting you based on
Speaker 1: exercising that right exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just taking a second to reflect to yourself to like, okay,
Speaker 3: who's on my side of the fence, and and like
Speaker 3: when at some point you should look at the look
Speaker 3: down your bench on your side and be like, oh wait,
Speaker 3: am I on the wrong team here? Like what's twelve?
Speaker 3: Why is my jersey? Why are you wearing the same
Speaker 3: jersey as me? You know, like a thin blue line
Speaker 3: on my jersey.
Speaker 1: Where that come from?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like that should be your warning sign
Speaker 3: and be like wait, hold up, wait are we wait,
Speaker 3: are we actually saying the same thing. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: think we're saying the same thing. Wait, you know you should.
Speaker 3: It should make give you pause.
Speaker 1: You know, I just hope that I mean shut out.
Speaker 1: At LA Times at least had an accurate description in
Speaker 1: their headlines where they were did rightly describing that the
Speaker 1: violence was one sided and coming from the supporters of
Speaker 1: Israeli government. Uh, and like again we're talking full on.
Speaker 1: They're like hitting kids over the head and shit, it's wild.
Speaker 1: This is where we're at. And I really encourage everybody
Speaker 1: to like, just like in twenty twenty when people wanted
Speaker 1: to say fucking weird shit to try and obscure and
Speaker 1: distract from what people are actually trying to say. Also,
Speaker 1: we like, every time this happens, we have to be
Speaker 1: able to articulate what is actually going on and not
Speaker 1: letting these people completely change the narrative and try and
Speaker 1: you know, completely discredit what is being.
Speaker 3: Done at UCLA and at USC. These are like every
Speaker 3: organizer that I know and have seen have been like yeah, no, come, come,
Speaker 3: have lunch, come through, and it's like because it's a
Speaker 3: camp and I know at USC they was doing like
Speaker 3: anti Semitic classes, like inside of the thing they was
Speaker 3: teaching like the history of anti Semitism and how.
Speaker 1: We want to make sure that this is not what
Speaker 1: we're saying.
Speaker 3: They have to really put people yeah, like you know
Speaker 3: they like these and yeah, these protesters were like, look,
Speaker 3: this is not what we're saying.
Speaker 2: This is why we're saying, here's the history of this.
Speaker 3: You know, they have to understand, like you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 1: Many college campuses, because I think that's the other thing too.
Speaker 1: We talked about this on yesterday's Trending episode is No
Speaker 1: One is also acknowledging the fact that there are also
Speaker 1: many Jewish students they also participating in this many Jewish people.
Speaker 1: Jewish students are disturbed because they see the aggression of
Speaker 1: the IDF and Netanyahu as being like that makes me
Speaker 1: unsafe in the long run. If this is this is
Speaker 1: the representation of a Jewish state is and people are
Speaker 1: going to conflate the two and I don't that's not
Speaker 1: what we're about. That's not what this religion is about,
Speaker 1: but it's being you. And also by weaponizing anti Semitism,
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing where they'd be like, oh, so
Speaker 1: you're against the whole Jewish religion. It's like you're not.
Speaker 2: Here, yeah, And now I can't Now I can't point
Speaker 2: at it.
Speaker 3: It's like when everything was when everything was human trafficking, right,
Speaker 3: like when everything was that, It's like, now I can't
Speaker 3: point out or everything's groomy.
Speaker 1: Like everything's grooming, then nothing's grooming. Then nothing's groomy.
Speaker 3: Now I can't actually point at anti Semitism and be like, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: that actually is, you know, which.
Speaker 1: Is why I do because then I remember how the
Speaker 1: evolution of these sort of protests went too because then
Speaker 1: even when you had Jewish voices for peace, they're like, no,
Speaker 1: we're if you can call me anti semitic, I'm telling
Speaker 1: you I'm against what's happening. And then they go, well
Speaker 1: you're not Jewish or whatever, and then it's always a
Speaker 1: moving goalpost. And again it's just what if you're in
Speaker 1: service of oppression, then the police are there for you.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to fight for equity, then the police
Speaker 1: will always be against you. So a good, good formula
Speaker 1: to just check around. Yeah, next story is RFK Junior.
Speaker 1: He's trending now. This is this was sort of like
Speaker 1: presented in like ooh, the Trump camp is sweating because RFK.
Speaker 1: But a lot of polls show that Trump is comfortably
Speaker 1: not comfortably. It's like six points ahead of Biden right now.
Speaker 1: I wonder why I can't have anything to do with
Speaker 1: these students are screaming about on campuses across the country.
Speaker 1: But I guess recently he's starting to pop up. RFK
Speaker 1: Junior is starting to pop up more and more on
Speaker 1: these right wing outlets, Like he's becoming a main stay
Speaker 1: on Fox News, a mainstay on News Max. He's now
Speaker 1: starting to be like on Ben Shapiro's podcast talking to
Speaker 1: Glenn Beck, he's talking to Megan Kelly, you know, the
Speaker 1: just everyday pieces of shit. And while you.
Speaker 4: Know, also while he's out there being like, you know,
Speaker 4: fucking Biden, talking shit about Biden, you know, he's he's
Speaker 4: definitely he's going after a very specific audience here, Like
Speaker 4: especially when you go on these bro podcasts too, Yep,
Speaker 4: you're kind of being like, look, you know, I'm not woke,
Speaker 4: so why don't you vote for me. And that's where
Speaker 4: I guess the Trump co Campaign manager has come in
Speaker 4: to say, quote, it's concerning and beyond logic that there
Speaker 4: are some conservative platforms that continue to give a voice
Speaker 4: to someone that is called the NRA, a terrorist group
Speaker 4: who believes in eliminating gas powered engines, believes in a
Speaker 4: seventy percent tax bracket, and generally subscribes to the same
Speaker 4: school of thought as Carl Marx.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, in both marks, baby, yeah, yeah, just oh
Speaker 1: what exactly what.
Speaker 2: Point at it?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry? Are you? Can you please? Are you a
Speaker 1: scholar of Marxist thoughts or no? Yeah? I just know
Speaker 1: if I say the word, people are like, fuck that,
Speaker 1: And that's just how it goes.
Speaker 2: He's he's interesting to me, dude.
Speaker 3: He's like, have you guys, okay, you guys, have you
Speaker 3: watched I just finished it, the uh the Three Body
Speaker 3: Problem on.
Speaker 1: I started watching the first episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, recently.
Speaker 3: I don't want to ruin it, sure, but I'm about
Speaker 3: to kind of Okay.
Speaker 1: So all right, spoiler alert, just spoileroiler alert.
Speaker 2: Skip through this.
Speaker 1: If you're sensitive to three Body Problem, you don't hear
Speaker 1: nothing about it? Skip ahead one minute.
Speaker 3: Yes, I won't tell you how the movie ends. But ultimately,
Speaker 3: if you have the gravitational pulls of three bodies, whether
Speaker 3: it's just two stars and a planet or three stars
Speaker 3: and whatever they're gravitational pull and rotations are are, you
Speaker 3: can't predict them. They're impossible to predict. That's called the
Speaker 3: three body problem. So if you're on a planet that
Speaker 3: has is too close to three different sons, you're gonna
Speaker 3: get pulled into the gravitational pulls in different ways, so
Speaker 3: you can't you can't predict whether your planet's going to
Speaker 3: be you know what I'm saying. So that's that's a
Speaker 3: three body problem. Yes, it's impredictable. You just you just
Speaker 3: go wherever the gravity pulls you.
Speaker 2: And to me, you get there problem here, three body problem.
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is so, yes, the third body is
Speaker 3: just throwing off the gravitational pull So like to try
Speaker 3: to everybody for everybody, so to even try to even
Speaker 3: predict what he's trying to do or who he's trying
Speaker 3: to talk to. He's like, you can't this just this
Speaker 3: guy is going to siphon off wherever he can. And
Speaker 3: in some sense its brilliant, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: like I go wherever I don't because demand don't care,
Speaker 3: Like are like wherever y'all?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I go wherever y'all listen to.
Speaker 1: He's he's like such a weird ass broken clock because
Speaker 1: he says like he says ship that. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: that's true, Like you know, regulatory capture is a fucking issue,
Speaker 1: like these climate things are an issue. And then he's
Speaker 1: like but then you know, COVID was meant Chinese people
Speaker 1: were IMMU like shut this, Oh my god. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like out here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you was going good for a second. Ere yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Let's not yeah, let's not forget. He was like the
Speaker 1: poster child for the whole anti vax movement, like when
Speaker 1: it cames, you know what I mean? So whatever RFK,
Speaker 1: We'll see where you end up. But honestly, like I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people will try and blame you
Speaker 1: if Biden loses, But I honestly just with the way
Speaker 1: this man is it right now, it's he's making it
Speaker 1: very difficult for people to be like, like are you
Speaker 1: hearing what people are saying? Like what if a responsive president?
Speaker 1: You're not a responsive president right now? And I don't
Speaker 1: wantucking Donald Trump to lose or to win. No Freudian slip.
Speaker 1: Well no, like I don't want Trump to win. But
Speaker 1: it's like but if and because of that, I'm like, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: you need to figure out how to get served vote
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 3: Yes, help me, help you, like I just god damn it, man,
Speaker 3: like I just you can't be like you're so frustrated
Speaker 3: to where you're like, I mean, it's like, Doug is
Speaker 3: the sky blue?
Speaker 1: Like what is the lowest hanging fruit?
Speaker 3: The lowest like this is and I'm like the lowest bro.
Speaker 3: Just even if we talked about this on hother politics,
Speaker 3: even if you just okay, the kids ain't gonna let
Speaker 3: you get away with this. But even if you just
Speaker 3: say the two words cease fire, like if you just
Speaker 3: say that's the lowest hanging fruit. Right, But you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm mad about this.
Speaker 1: I don't want you.
Speaker 3: And you know we you know we really mad. And
Speaker 3: you know I'm telling that, y'all. Who I old BB,
Speaker 3: I'm not handed, I'm not I'm not going for it. Now,
Speaker 3: come on over here to the to the candy store,
Speaker 3: pick whatever gun you won't and I'm getting you'll be
Speaker 3: careful because I'm mad, right, bro exactly and then take
Speaker 3: away his dessert.
Speaker 2: Man, like you're not really mad.
Speaker 1: No, no, it's all it's all just optics. But the
Speaker 1: thing is, like people are too tapped in now for
Speaker 1: that kind of shit to work, Like the smoking mirrors,
Speaker 1: it's not having the same effect. And also to the
Speaker 1: point now where other congressmen are like, man, I got
Speaker 1: like old little old white ladies also asking me what
Speaker 1: the fuck is up with the ceasefire. So it's not
Speaker 1: just it's not just like Arab Americans or Muslims. It's
Speaker 1: it's like a bro, it's many people. The majority of
Speaker 1: Democrats are.
Speaker 3: Like yes, or like yeah, I was with you for
Speaker 3: a little bit, you know what I'm saying, Like yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like I was with you for a second there.
Speaker 3: But I mean I'm all brou y'all. You ain't seeing
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like you ain't have to you ain't had.
Speaker 1: To kill them all, Like nope, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: we'll see. Like I said every time, I'm like November,
Speaker 1: take your time, take your time, Please take your time.
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't have the strength right now.
Speaker 2: Bro, Like that's I'm sorry, I know. We gotta move on.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, again, low hanging fruit, like you can't.
Speaker 3: I mean, you just you really finna just let this
Speaker 3: abortion thing slip through your fingers, bro, Like yeah, that's
Speaker 3: an easy one.
Speaker 1: Well like, yeah, well they were fucking around too long
Speaker 1: by being like if I'm president, I will do this
Speaker 1: ship cut to your president, and you did not fucking
Speaker 1: fire roll versus what like you didn't even you couldn't
Speaker 1: even do that. So yeah, because again both parties, they
Speaker 1: they're just playing in everybody's faces. They just wanted they
Speaker 1: want to angle shit in front of people to get
Speaker 1: them to the polls and then just take it out
Speaker 1: and then but then something then you get some ship
Speaker 1: like the Dobbs decision, and shit gets real and now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like well it's really complicated, but there,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's lives at stake here for.
Speaker 3: Sure, man, Like that's really like you know, go to
Speaker 3: state blowing a three to one lead right there?
Speaker 1: Bro, Like, how you how you lo how you lose?
Speaker 3: Dobs guys like this, Yeah, sixty years, don't you lost
Speaker 3: the sixty?
Speaker 2: Like how you love did.
Speaker 1: A lot of time? Because again, it's easier to just
Speaker 1: h raise the specter of the boogeyman than to actually
Speaker 1: take care of shit because that we're not. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: not the we're not in the business of actually solving
Speaker 1: problems here. All right, let's take a quick break so
Speaker 1: we can regroup, re outher ourselves, center ourselves, so we
Speaker 1: can come back and discuss objectively with no West Coast biases,
Speaker 1: even though I have my Dodger blue on my four dome.
Speaker 1: Right now is Kendrick Lamar and Drake Beef and we'll
Speaker 1: be right back. And we're back. So look, I told
Speaker 1: you so, but didn't I? Yes, is your.
Speaker 2: Audience like up to speed? Do they know the whole
Speaker 2: cheese made?
Speaker 1: I guess here? Well, we'll keep it here. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: those it okay. So if you are not interested in
Speaker 1: hip hop, I get it. People have different flavors for you.
Speaker 1: Let me put you onto something. Right now, we're talking
Speaker 1: about the Drake and Kendrick Lamar Beef. Drake is now
Speaker 1: like one of the I think the highest selling artists
Speaker 1: of all time because he took over Michael Jackson's thing
Speaker 1: and now he's like, I'm the king uh and said
Speaker 1: he's the greatest ever. He's the goat. Kendrick Lamar has
Speaker 1: taken exception to that. This is a very condensed version
Speaker 1: because there's also there's like sneak dissing going on for years.
Speaker 1: But anyway, for like Kendrick decade, Dave Kendrick has also
Speaker 1: been like, you know, he released a track with Metro
Speaker 1: Boomin in Future about a month ago, you know, basically
Speaker 1: just taking just taking some general shots his way, him
Speaker 1: and J Cole's way. J Cole entered the beef and
Speaker 1: then he immediately said back, no and yo do yeah man, yeah, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like I don't I don't want this. I
Speaker 1: don't want this. I don't want this. I don't want it.
Speaker 1: And you know what, I shouldn't. I shouldn't have even
Speaker 1: recorded a distrack. He released a distrack to respond to Kendrick,
Speaker 1: and then he pulled it because he said it didn't
Speaker 1: feel right to him. He didn't believe in it. As
Speaker 1: an artist. Then that's your progative as an artist. Fine,
Speaker 1: other people.
Speaker 3: He probably could have taken his time, but yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. If you weren't feeling it, you
Speaker 1: weren't feeling it.
Speaker 2: And it was like Kendrick's line.
Speaker 3: It for y'all that are interested Kendrick's line referencing Cole
Speaker 3: was in reference to a song that Cole did with
Speaker 3: Drake years ago, but are in that song was kind
Speaker 3: of like a throwaway, like that's just one thing towards yeah, Cole.
Speaker 3: So Cole could honestly be like, well, the verse ain't
Speaker 3: about me, it's it's about you. Yeah, yeah, I really
Speaker 3: don't have to because he's not even disn't me yeaheah.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people were like, you know, in
Speaker 1: their bag on his back, you do it anyway. So
Speaker 1: then Drake basically released two response tracks, one using the
Speaker 1: Ai vocals of Tupac Shakor, which did not go over
Speaker 1: well with anybody in this part of the country or
Speaker 1: even his estate, who were like, the season desist for
Speaker 1: that's foolish, foolishness. And then Kendrick, they're like, all the
Speaker 1: Drake fans are saying, when's Kendrick gonna drop? It's been
Speaker 1: so long. TikTok, TikTok. Kendrick drop a track called Euphoria
Speaker 1: six and a half minutes and it is scathing, I
Speaker 1: would say, fishes.
Speaker 3: And also yeah, also loving and like teaching, like teachable,
Speaker 3: like this is a teachable moment just in the only
Speaker 3: way that Kendrick can.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because there's a tweet from a rainio Ville for
Speaker 1: those of y'all who listen to Victory like Merrow's podcast,
Speaker 1: He's on that show. He tweeted basically to sum up, like,
Speaker 1: where what the Drake this was versus the Kendrick response.
Speaker 1: He said, Drake Colon, you wear small shoes, top makes
Speaker 1: you do push ups. That's the person from top Dog,
Speaker 1: the label that Kendrick was on, and I make more
Speaker 1: money than you. Sort of like the distillation of Drake's
Speaker 1: dis Yes, Kendricks would be the distillation to be this.
Speaker 1: You have never been secure in your identity. A Canadian
Speaker 1: cosplayer could never represent Black American culture. I'm raising my
Speaker 1: kids and you can't relate. Yeah, different levels to their responses.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: part you want to talk about specifically, Like for me,
Speaker 1: I just I get that there's right now it seems
Speaker 1: like most people are so entrenched in their fandom, Like
Speaker 1: you have people who can't see past their fandom. Then
Speaker 1: there are people who I'm like, I just love to
Speaker 1: see this era of like rapp up, Like you say
Speaker 1: something then you say something that you say something, you
Speaker 1: say something because yeah, whether or not Drake takes an now,
Speaker 1: it doesn't change the fact that he is the this
Speaker 1: man's soul.
Speaker 3: There's no yeah, yeah, there's yeah. Producer Brian's dropping dropping
Speaker 3: stuff in here that I was going to say, like
Speaker 3: I think there's there are some things to calibrate here.
Speaker 3: First of all, to understand that, like, Okay, the number
Speaker 3: one song on Billboard is Taylor Swift. She's also the
Speaker 3: number two, three, four, she's she's the top ten. The
Speaker 3: top ten songs on Billboard are Taylor Swift. So calibrate
Speaker 3: the conversation with that for us, right, you know. And
Speaker 3: then secondly, like you said, like overall, it's two grown men,
Speaker 3: millionaires writing poems about each other for.
Speaker 2: La guys, you're alive.
Speaker 1: It's a wonderful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so even for us as fans to remember that,
Speaker 3: like oh yeah, go cry on a bag of money,
Speaker 3: like it's fine, you know, but yeah, but they I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: But I was going to say, like there's a history
Speaker 3: in hip hop, whether it was you know, ice Cube
Speaker 3: and Easy E, whether it's right jay Z and Nas,
Speaker 3: whether it's POC and Biggie like there's a history of.
Speaker 1: Rule where.
Speaker 3: Yeah and dis tracks have always been good for the
Speaker 3: overall culture of hip hop because it brings out the
Speaker 3: best in all of these artists. But I think specifically
Speaker 3: with this one, why I think this is so important
Speaker 3: is because they represent Kendrick and Drake have always represent
Speaker 3: two opposite approaches.
Speaker 1: To being tip hop stars. Yeah yeah, right, And because.
Speaker 3: Kendrick Kendrick gan on Instagram like he don't post memes,
Speaker 3: like he don't, he don't pop out, like he don't
Speaker 3: do that, you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, and don't walk through none of that.
Speaker 3: I don't do none of that, like I will give
Speaker 3: you the bars and I'm going home. And then Drake
Speaker 3: is obviously like he's a pop star, yeah.
Speaker 1: And he's a child actor, so he's used to being
Speaker 1: in the spotlight in a different way, and you know,
Speaker 1: people take that for what it is and people say, well,
Speaker 1: this is what Drake's more poping or whatever. Personally, it's
Speaker 1: like I don't think you can really, I can't. I
Speaker 1: don't compare them because are not the same. They're not
Speaker 1: making the same kind of art, you know. I get like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's some like Drake bangers, you're like, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is shit's fun. It's a fun track, But is it like,
Speaker 1: is it like Kendrick Lamar, like a pe Kendrick Lamar
Speaker 1: kind of track? Is has you engaging with in a
Speaker 1: different way? And again, this is a matter of taste.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying objectively or whatever, but this is how
Speaker 1: I relate to the music. And the beef is interesting
Speaker 1: too because Kendrick is getting out a lot of other
Speaker 1: critiques that people have about Drake, namely one about sort
Speaker 1: of always like suddenly you're you're like a roadman from
Speaker 1: the UK and you wrap like this or you're doing
Speaker 1: this other kind of flavor and you're kind of constantly
Speaker 1: sort of shape shifting and using. Yeah, people are like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of appropriating the culture without actually
Speaker 1: sticking up for black people when things are actually happening,
Speaker 1: or speaking about the culture in a way that feels
Speaker 1: constructive rather than just being like, let me sort of
Speaker 1: curate and cherry pick the things I like to sell
Speaker 1: records and then that's it.
Speaker 2: There's a sophistication.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a sophistication of this conversation in the sense
Speaker 3: that like, you know, I was sexing you the the
Speaker 3: the corny analogy of like, you know, the captain of
Speaker 3: football team dating the cheerleader, prom king, homecoming queen, homecoming king.
Speaker 3: But all you want to do is like just kick
Speaker 3: it behind the bungalows and smoke weed with the cool kids.
Speaker 2: That's all that you want.
Speaker 3: But all the cool kids are like you're lame and
Speaker 3: it's fine, just go be the prom king, Like stop,
Speaker 3: that's fine, Like it's fine, just go be that.
Speaker 1: Like you will never be accepted by us.
Speaker 3: And it's not that it's not that we're not trying
Speaker 3: to excommunicate you, it's just that's.
Speaker 2: Not who you are, you know.
Speaker 3: So so so the conversation that Kendrick kicked it up
Speaker 3: a notch is the saying the quiet thing out loud,
Speaker 3: which is like you can't just put this on and
Speaker 3: take it off, and it's and and yeah that insecurity
Speaker 3: about like.
Speaker 1: You right, yeah, right, yeah, you want all of this.
Speaker 3: Kendrick is like I'm really from this and it comes
Speaker 3: from an authenticity and it's like.
Speaker 2: So stop, like just just stop being with you, not
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He's growing up in Compton, and living growing up in
Speaker 1: Compton is a lot different than being a child actor
Speaker 1: living in Toronto and the levels of racism are different,
Speaker 1: like they're just they's just cultural differences. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: why anyway, it's interesting again where everyone was like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: it's not just going to be like sort of like
Speaker 1: a simple you know, because if you think about the
Speaker 1: last battle that Drake was in or beef he was
Speaker 1: in was with a push of tea yeah, and he
Speaker 1: was responding and push the t just basically came back
Speaker 1: with like, here's a picture of you in blackface. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. Yeah, and you're actually a
Speaker 1: terrible father.
Speaker 4: And it was just sort of like like this person
Speaker 4: was like oh yeah, but it was.
Speaker 3: Almost like okay, that's okay kind of cheating, but it
Speaker 3: definitely ended it like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: are wondering and people know now like Kendrick Lamar is witty,
Speaker 1: and they're like all the memes and stuff on the internet,
Speaker 1: like dag, you don't know if Kendrick Lamar might not
Speaker 1: be the person to be. He's not. That's not the
Speaker 1: tree you want to be barking up, no at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just I appreciate like rappers rapping, and
Speaker 3: you know, for y'all that know me and Miles like like,
Speaker 3: we like I like my rappers rapping, if we like
Speaker 3: throw parties in Long Beach, I want sometimes sometimes it's
Speaker 3: been that ass. Oh you know what I'm saying. Sometimes
Speaker 3: you want that because that's good these hands, that's great.
Speaker 3: But then if it's like when I'm putting in my headphones,
Speaker 3: if I want to hear somebody like really like love
Speaker 3: the craft and love the art, I'm like, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not putting a Drake album on.
Speaker 1: You know, like started from the bottom, isn't all right? No,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like exactly the reason why?
Speaker 1: And I know you're lying because you didn't start from
Speaker 1: the bottom, you know. But then they're Drake fans who
Speaker 1: are like his mom had to rent a basement apartment
Speaker 1: that they lived in, and then that's what he was
Speaker 1: referring to. And I'm like, and that's fine or whatever,
Speaker 1: but like when you start talking about gun violence and
Speaker 1: shit like that, that's life. Alai A learning past guests
Speaker 1: we love on the show, she was like kind of
Speaker 1: really stated it very succinctly in saying that, like this
Speaker 1: this is a tweet from her because a lot of
Speaker 1: Drake fans are like, you know, just up in arms
Speaker 1: about people's analysis of what this track was. Quote. The
Speaker 1: fact that Drake stands are trying to insist hip hop
Speaker 1: a genre of culture created by black people to give
Speaker 1: voice to black people and our experiences, shouldn't critique his
Speaker 1: exploitation of blackness and people confirms why Kendrick said he's
Speaker 1: speaking for the culture with his critiques of Drake. Non
Speaker 1: black hip hop fans clearly need to hear this. Black
Speaker 1: people and black culture will always be central to any
Speaker 1: analysis of hip hop and rap music. Let go of
Speaker 1: this colorblind analysis you want us to embrace just so
Speaker 1: you feel like your opinion is equally valid when talking
Speaker 1: hip hop. And look, I'm not saying people's analysis is
Speaker 1: invalid or whatever, but there's a real when people are saying, like,
Speaker 1: why are you talking about that, it's because that's that's
Speaker 1: what hip hop was coming out of, you know, black
Speaker 1: and brown people finding an art form that it's really.
Speaker 3: And and in none of this, you know, Jay Call
Speaker 3: is just as life skinned and nobody has any question
Speaker 3: about his position and placement in the culture. And yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like no one, no one questions that like, there
Speaker 3: so there is a particular way a person carries themselves
Speaker 3: that you know, I think any any person that is
Speaker 3: remotely somewhat attractive and have been in a club with
Speaker 3: drunk people, you know, when someone's complimenting you and when
Speaker 3: someone's being slimy, you get and it might be the
Speaker 3: same words, right, it might be the same words, Brian,
Speaker 3: I see Brian, he brought it up the same thing,
Speaker 3: same way like Marlon Kraft.
Speaker 2: That's that's a white boy.
Speaker 3: I've never questioned his place in culture, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, like because I'm like, there's there's no question
Speaker 3: about who you are, because you carry yourself in a
Speaker 3: way that's different, you know, and it it's like you
Speaker 3: know what it is when you're looking at it. And
Speaker 3: Drake has always been something for me that personally, I've
Speaker 3: always had to bite my tongue about because I'm just like,
Speaker 3: I feel like this is I don't want a rant here,
Speaker 3: but this is the last thing I to say about
Speaker 3: trying to get this thought out. It's like, when you're
Speaker 3: someone like him who has been considered you know, traditionally attractive, right, successful,
Speaker 3: You're like you weren't policed like the rest of us
Speaker 3: ugly boys that were taught when stuff was corny, like
Speaker 3: we were taught in seventh grade, like, don't do that
Speaker 3: as corny, right, right, right?
Speaker 1: He didn't learn that because the girl still giggled and
Speaker 1: he was on TV and no matter what he did.
Speaker 3: So then when you warming up, you know, in the
Speaker 3: NCAA Finals on the University of the Kentucky team, I'm like, Brett,
Speaker 3: did you go to Kentucky? Did you ever live in Kentucky?
Speaker 3: Your family go to Kentucky? Like does anybody what connection
Speaker 3: do you have to this? That's corny? Don't do that
Speaker 3: right The idea of thinking I'm gonna do a AI tupac.
Speaker 1: No one, we would all know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would say, no, I'm not gonna do a
Speaker 3: AI biggie, No, no, it's untouchable.
Speaker 1: Like you you're again proving you're not really one of us. Man,
Speaker 1: like you would know that doesn't understand the sacredness of
Speaker 1: certain things and whatever. And that's where I think again,
Speaker 1: that's why they're in different lanes. He is a celebrity
Speaker 1: and he is able to do things like pull up
Speaker 1: to you know, UK's basketball team, things like that because
Speaker 1: he's he's a popping you're a star, And it's great,
Speaker 1: he's a star, but he's a star and you and
Speaker 1: you're not. You're not You're not a bad rapper. No,
Speaker 1: but also when you have but these but this, but
Speaker 1: this is what this beef has also revealed. It's like here,
Speaker 1: there's really levels of this ship though also break like
Speaker 1: you you absolutely have the gift of creating like great
Speaker 1: hooks and albums that can chart. And Kendrick Lamar is
Speaker 1: like just a grind MC who's in the trenches and
Speaker 1: is just really takes yeah, take a just taking the
Speaker 1: taking a series of people like oh what is like
Speaker 1: a quintopole entendre on these things. It's like, man, he
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, he's he's messing with that's how he
Speaker 1: thinks about his own lyrics. So again, I just like
Speaker 1: that again that all these things create the sort of
Speaker 1: sequence of back and forth and been like here's a track,
Speaker 1: is it fun? We get to talk about it, we
Speaker 1: get to analyze it, we get to critique it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And again I think just like as long as it
Speaker 1: stays as a music, like just keep it dying. This
Speaker 1: is great, keep it keep it that it's every then
Speaker 1: it's good. It's good for everybody, and I think getting
Speaker 1: caught up. Although look like I was saying I'm a
Speaker 1: fan of Kendrick, I'm from la I personally, and I
Speaker 1: don't think that has anything to do with why I
Speaker 1: believe Kendrick is just a more gift in m see.
Speaker 1: I think objectively he is just in a different level lyrically.
Speaker 1: But that's my take and that's how I feel. But
Speaker 1: that's what I like to see because then you see
Speaker 1: what Drake does and you're like, oh, okay, that that
Speaker 1: was antagonistic. We'll see where it goes. Yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he can't wrap.
Speaker 3: But it's just like in the arena, you're stepping in
Speaker 3: the brilliance of it is to be like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to go at the one thing you want, because you're right,
Speaker 3: I don't have as many hits as you. You're absolutely correct,
Speaker 3: So I'm not going to go pound for pound for that.
Speaker 3: The one thing you want is our co sign and
Speaker 3: you will never get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are not just a goon. Remember
Speaker 1: that you're not a goon. And that's okay. Not everybody's
Speaker 1: not a goon. I never claimed goon. I don't like
Speaker 1: that life.
Speaker 3: I am a nice boy, which is what Jay Cole did.
Speaker 3: He's like, look, man, I'm a college I'm a college
Speaker 3: kid that just wanted to smash girls like that's yeah,
Speaker 3: that's all.
Speaker 1: I'm a nice guy. I'm a nice guy.
Speaker 2: I'm a conscious rapper.
Speaker 1: So y'all got y'all have it. But anyway, I'm sure
Speaker 1: this will continue and PROP will have to I'm sure
Speaker 1: have to have you back as inevitably because I don't
Speaker 1: think this is going to end uh with Kendrick. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, who knows, but I have a
Speaker 1: knowing based on Drake's meming and stuff that's happening right now.
Speaker 1: He may be cooking something up.
Speaker 2: My prediction is like this is or akin to This
Speaker 2: isn't Biggie and Tupac.
Speaker 3: This is more akin to like jay Z and nas
Speaker 3: to where it's like we get ether, we get you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, We get these classic songs that
Speaker 3: show up and again push the culture forward.
Speaker 2: I will say this though, like if we're talking about making.
Speaker 3: Hits, memorable songs, catchy sing along, move the crowd, move
Speaker 3: the club, the Eastern Seaboard in the South.
Speaker 1: You have that.
Speaker 3: I am a I bleed, I bleed California. Everybody knows. Like,
Speaker 3: but you're not taking that, You're not. You can't take
Speaker 3: that from them. However, if it comes to like taking
Speaker 3: the gloves off and like I'm gonna teach your children
Speaker 3: like like track, yes, it's it's got to be the
Speaker 3: West Coast because I'm like, you have to cite Tupac,
Speaker 3: who's I mean the first lyric out his mouth was
Speaker 3: first I fucked your wife, Like that's the first bar,
Speaker 3: Like that's where you're starting the song. Yeah, So like
Speaker 3: like if anything, if it's distracts, like we does this, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we're this is what we do out here. Yeah we
Speaker 3: we don't have gloves on, there's no that's but that's
Speaker 3: what's all. It's like it's like Game of Thrones. It's
Speaker 3: like that's how the West Coast Kingdom is, and.
Speaker 2: That's how the West Coast Kingdom.
Speaker 1: We all have our different strengths and weaknesses, and that's
Speaker 1: where we go from. I mean, yeah, look, we had
Speaker 1: our we had our little moment too with with the hits,
Speaker 1: but look it's it's coming back. We've got a lot
Speaker 1: of artists though now I mean to have a lot
Speaker 1: of artists now between.
Speaker 2: It's a good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good time. We're all we're all winning.
Speaker 1: But anyway, that is our old head Wrap Analysis episode
Speaker 1: for you all. Thank you so much for listening. We
Speaker 1: are going to be back tomorrow with a whole new episode.
Speaker 1: Prop Thank you so much for joining me. Definitely check
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Speaker 1: of course. All right, well, long live hip hop. We'll
Speaker 1: talk to you later. Bye.