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Speaker 1: Hig and everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast.

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Speaker 2: The This may be the last chance addition as the

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Speaker 2: Bengals get ready for their final preseason game on Thursday

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Speaker 2: night against Indianapolis. Coming up, I'll talk to my broadcast partner,

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Speaker 2: Dave Lapham about Tuesday's joint practice with the Colts, and

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Speaker 2: then I'll go one on one with one of the

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Speaker 2: last picks in this year's draft, who is making a

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Speaker 2: strong case for being on the Bengals fifty three man roster.

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Speaker 2: thing since long shots. Getting a shot in the final

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Speaker 2: preseason game It's common among fans and media, especially media,

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Speaker 2: to make snarky comments about the final week of preseason games,

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Speaker 2: especially when starters don't play. But I like seeing the

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Speaker 2: long shots get their opportunity to shine in an NFL uniform.

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Speaker 2: Every single guy out there on Thursday night is a

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Speaker 2: great player. Maybe not great enough to make a fifty

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Speaker 2: three man roster, but think of how hard it is

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Speaker 2: just to be on an NFL training camp roster. For

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Speaker 2: hundreds of guys who have been playing this sport for

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Speaker 2: most of their lives, the final preseason game is the

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Speaker 2: last time they will ever play football. So I look

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Speaker 2: forward to seeing all of them take the field don Thursday.

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Speaker 2: No matter what the record books say, they'll be able

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Speaker 2: to tell their kids and grandkids about playing in the NFL. Now,

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Speaker 2: let's get to football and an in depth look at

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Speaker 2: Tuesday's joint practice with my broadcast partner Dave lappham lapped.

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Speaker 2: The joint practice with the Indianapolis Colts is over. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of the unofficial end of training camp. Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it has happened. Zach announced that you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: to have Joe Burrow upright, healthy, happy, got a lot

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Speaker 3: of reps in you look at joint practices for two

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Speaker 3: single rep, as are the other groups. So it's it's

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Speaker 3: a lot of good work there, there's no question about that,

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Speaker 2: Here were Joe's numbers today. In the practice against the Colts.

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Speaker 2: They opened up with a red zone seven on seven

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Speaker 2: Then in the eleven on eleven periods had him twenty

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Speaker 2: because he just kind of threw it up for grabs,

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Speaker 2: which is very Unburrow like. But overall, would you.

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Speaker 3: Think, Yeah, I thought he was efficient. I thought he

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Speaker 3: And I think that screen game is going to be

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think I think the Bengals ran the exact same

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Speaker 3: I think it just enhances the opportunity for good performances,

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Speaker 3: charging for him and have multiple joint practices, let players,

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Mike Kasiki. I had him for four catches

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Speaker 3: the thing about him and Zach mentioned it, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Under rainy conditions last week in Chicago, Joe had trouble

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Speaker 2: He was victimized by a ton of drops by his teammates.

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Speaker 3: Caught absolutely, And that was you know, faith and trust

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Speaker 3: Jamar and T. Higgins and Yosi made some plays again

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Speaker 3: It's it's like it's gonna be an embarrassment of riches there,

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Speaker 2: In a joint practice, it's hard to watch the offense

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Speaker 2: At the same time, I was watching every snap that

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Speaker 2: But when I did watch and when I talked to people,

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Speaker 2: When Anthony Richardson was in a quarterback for the Colts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think I would agree with that.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I mean Anthony Richardson, by the way,

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Speaker 3: So but I'm telling you, Richardson is a guy that's

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Speaker 3: Mean I was saying, you know, he's a he's a

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's he almost looks like a Martian man.

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Speaker 3: I mean this league is like, man, everybody's got studs.

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Speaker 2: What about the on script plays for Anthony Richardson because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he was like and I really see

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Speaker 3: I think there was some hesitancy there Flacco, you know,

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Speaker 3: much more proficiently. And how about that guy you know

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Speaker 3: he's moving is well or better than he ever has really,

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Speaker 2: Charlie Jones made several catches today, so he is fully back.

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Speaker 2: Sam Hubbard didn't participate, but he was in uniform. He

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think they're being you know, careful and wisely careful.

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Speaker 3: With Sam Hubbard, he did individual, some individual stuff today,

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Speaker 2: Good way to wrap it up. Look forward to being

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Speaker 3: Night, Same here, Dan as always.

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Speaker 1: Twelve, it's still there, but it's not as important.

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Speaker 4: They're not the top dogs of the conference anymore like

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Speaker 4: they were in the American But you know, for for

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Speaker 4: us at UCF, University of South Florida and Tampa has

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Speaker 4: been the historical rivalry. But there was almost a little

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Speaker 4: bit more of like a like a real intensity every

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Speaker 4: time we would play Cincinnati, whether we're going up there

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Speaker 4: or coming down they were coming down to Orlando, and

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Speaker 4: every game.

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Speaker 1: Was always hard fought. It was always pat crowds.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've been I played them twice up here

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Speaker 4: in Cincinnati, and they get a great atmosphere with how

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Speaker 4: that the stadium's kind of built into the ground or

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Speaker 4: so something like that, right, Yeah, and uh, and it

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Speaker 4: was a lot of fun. You know, I went two

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Speaker 4: and two against them. We'd lost my first year, then one,

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Speaker 4: then lost than one, and you know, they had a

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Speaker 4: lot of success, especially in twenty twenty one. They had

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Speaker 4: some guys that are doing real good now in the

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Speaker 4: in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: If you see somebody around town wearing you see gear,

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Speaker 2: do you clench your teeth a little bit?

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Speaker 1: You know, not not too much.

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Speaker 4: I think my my, I would do that for South

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Speaker 4: Florida since the history of that rivalry. You know, when

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Speaker 4: I was at you, Steff, we definitely hated each other

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati because there was always a big game of the

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Speaker 4: year and it kind of matter who's probably who might

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Speaker 4: win the conference this year.

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Speaker 1: But but I don't hate the university.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're visiting with Matt Lee. You and my

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Speaker 2: broadcast partner Dave Lapham have a couple of things in common.

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Speaker 2: Number one being offensive linemen. But number two, you were

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Speaker 2: both recruited by Harvard and elected not to go. There

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Speaker 2: was it an honor that schools like Harvard and Yale

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Speaker 2: and these prestigious academic institutions wanted you at their schools.

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Speaker 4: It is pretty cool looking back on it, though, I

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Speaker 4: think in the moment, you know, because they have different

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Speaker 4: rules with their scholarships and they're in the Ivy League

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Speaker 4: and uh and in the FCS or whatever, but in

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Speaker 4: the Ivy League specifically, so you don't get that florided

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Speaker 4: scholarship for most people depending on financial aid or whatever,

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Speaker 4: whatever the package. But still pretty cool to feel down

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Speaker 4: And then now as I'm a little bit older looking back,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, well, I could have gotten Harvard.

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Speaker 5: I could have gotten to Yeil, So I mean that's

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Speaker 5: pretty cool. I guess yeah, trust me. Lap brings it

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Speaker 5: up still and deservedly. So you're four weeks into your

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Speaker 5: first NFL training camp. What's been the biggest challenge?

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Speaker 4: Just learning everything and not just from a mental standpoint

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Speaker 4: in the playbook and getting.

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Speaker 1: You know, more solidified in that every single day, the more.

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Speaker 4: Reps you take, but the intricacies of technique and how

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Speaker 4: much bigger of a step it is at this level

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Speaker 4: compared to collegiate because there could be stuff college coaches

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Speaker 4: might not even touching on or that you think that

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Speaker 4: you're you do a good job of, and then you

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Speaker 4: get here and everything's just that much more in depth.

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Speaker 4: Everything's that much more intricate and complex, and everything so

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Speaker 4: so measured and pointed depending on what the technique is

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Speaker 4: what the play is, just trying to master everything of

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Speaker 4: that and focusing on a lot of stuff at once

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Speaker 4: every single day and just slowly improve and prove and prove.

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Speaker 2: Did it help you that you changed colleges last year

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Speaker 2: and kind of went through this process even though it

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Speaker 2: was far less complex, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: For sure, I think so.

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Speaker 4: I After, you know, leaving UCF, it was in going

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Speaker 4: to Miami. I had never been out of the Orlando

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Speaker 4: area for that long. I grew up my parents' house

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Speaker 4: and where I grew up in my high school were

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Speaker 4: just a couple of miles a few minutes away from

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Speaker 4: Central Florida's campus, and going to Miami kind of matured

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Speaker 4: me in a way that, Okay, I'm in a new place.

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Speaker 4: I kind of left the place I was established at

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Speaker 4: and comfortable at.

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Speaker 1: Now I kind of have to.

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Speaker 4: Earn it back up and get comfortable on the field,

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Speaker 4: off the field, with myself, where I live, all this

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Speaker 4: different stuff.

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Speaker 1: But that made come in here that much easier.

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Speaker 2: So you've got a nine year veteran to learn from

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Speaker 2: at your position in Ted Kerris, Are you the type

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Speaker 2: of person that asks him a lot of questions or

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Speaker 2: do you quietly observe.

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Speaker 4: Both I think observe a lot, you know, and just

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Speaker 4: watch things. Everything he does is throughout practice and throughout

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Speaker 4: a play, and then pick his mind when I can,

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Speaker 4: or definitely when I have a specific question that's on

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Speaker 4: my mind.

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Speaker 1: Is you know what's a gonna say. I get after

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Speaker 1: him every single chance.

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Speaker 4: I can get in that regard, but I like to

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Speaker 4: just observe and watch a lot too. How he does individual,

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Speaker 4: how he goes in team, how his attitude is, the

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Speaker 4: way he does little simple stuff that may look simple,

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Speaker 4: but how he does it playing and play out and

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Speaker 4: try to take from that.

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Speaker 2: Do you wear the sense he hat?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I have one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wear it sometimes. Oh my girlfriend to wear

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Speaker 4: my dad willware.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. I'm sure Ted appreciates it. Last

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Speaker 2: thing for Matt Lee, he played every snap, every offensive snap,

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Speaker 2: at least in last week's preseason game against the Bears.

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Speaker 2: Would you like to do that again against the Colts?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that'd be cool.

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Speaker 4: I mean I got sixty three or sixty two, sixty

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Speaker 4: sixty four snaps whatever it was, and a week before

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Speaker 4: that it was, you know, seventeen or something like that.

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Speaker 4: So being able to play a full game, a full

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Speaker 4: load at this level and kind of see what it

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Speaker 4: feels like in the opportunity to go against the bear

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Speaker 4: starter shore.

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Speaker 1: A couple drives which which was awesome. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: love to.

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Speaker 2: You're having a great camp.

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Speaker 1: Keep it up.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, appreciate you.

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