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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: He says double killer OJ Simpson spied on him during

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Speaker 2: his sofa sex session with O. J. Simpson's wife, Nicole Brown. Well,

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Speaker 2: that's just the tip of the iceberg. This guy has

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Speaker 2: a brand new book, and he's right when he says

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Speaker 2: that could have been me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is he Grace? This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us here.

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Speaker 2: Can you send some one to my house or my

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Speaker 2: ex husband or my husband?

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Speaker 3: He broke into my house and he's ranting and raving.

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Speaker 3: Now he's just walked out the front yard and.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's crazy.

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Speaker 2: You know what always strikes me about that portion of

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Speaker 2: one of Nicole Brown's many, many nine one one calls

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Speaker 2: is that she was just like, yeah, he's breaking into

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Speaker 2: my house again. By this time, it had happened so

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Speaker 2: many times, and she had been beaten so many times.

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Speaker 1: That photo that was put up in the courtroom during

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Speaker 1: Simpson's murder.

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Speaker 2: Trial of her with her face just totally beaten and bruised.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how that jury, Oh gosh, that's one of them.

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Speaker 1: Look at her arm for Pete's sake. Oh gosh.

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Speaker 2: It happened over and over and over, joining me right now.

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Speaker 1: Two incredible guests.

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Speaker 2: First, I want to introduce to you Keith Zulomsowitch. He

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Speaker 2: is Nicole Brown's former boyfriend, and he is the author

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Speaker 2: of a brand new book, Stalked, And I've got it

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Speaker 2: right now, but I really think we should give the

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Speaker 2: whole title it stalked. It could have been me, And

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Speaker 2: I think what you mean by that, Keith, is that

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Speaker 2: you could have been the one lying out in the

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Speaker 2: driveway that night with your head nearly severed off your body.

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Speaker 2: Nicole Brown's head was attached to her body by a

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Speaker 2: thin a thin bit of flesh in the back of

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Speaker 2: her neck. She had been almost totally decapitated. The killer

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Speaker 2: had that immense strength. I wonder what he would have

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Speaker 2: done with you if he had gotten a hold of you, Keith,

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Speaker 2: knowing that you had been dating Nicole, actually spying.

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Speaker 1: On you through the window. Freak.

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Speaker 4: Freak is right, And you're absolutely right when you say that.

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Speaker 4: In real time, maybe it didn't cross my mind as much,

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Speaker 4: But after I saw what he was capable of in

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Speaker 4: the murders I've had to live with for thirty years,

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Speaker 4: I think that it could have.

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Speaker 2: Been merry shots Nicole in life. Some of the happiest

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Speaker 2: time of her life outside of being a mom, were

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Speaker 2: with Keith Zulamsowitch. It's not just what he's saying, it's

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Speaker 2: what other people said. Of course, their relationship was marred,

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Speaker 5: It's three o'clock in the morning and Keith and Nicole

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Speaker 5: made love on the couch, but they weren't alone. There

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Speaker 5: was somebody watching. There was someone watching through the window.

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Speaker 5: It was a defendant.

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Speaker 3: Nicole hires a babysitter to watch the children while she

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Speaker 3: and Keith go out to a comedy club. Arriving home,

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Speaker 3: the children are asleep. It's about three am when Keith

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Speaker 3: and Nicole become amorous on the couch. Unbeknownst to either

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Speaker 3: of them, OJ Simpson is hiding in the bushes outside

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Speaker 3: the house, stalking, watching the couple love on the couch.

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Speaker 2: Did you have any idea that OJ Simpson was staring?

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Speaker 1: He's about three feet away from you.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like addy threesome watching you have sex with

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Speaker 2: Nicole Brown with his shoulder asleep upstairs. I mean, did

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Speaker 2: you have any idea the extent to which he was

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Speaker 2: stalking you and her?

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Speaker 4: We knew about the stalking because it had happened several

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Speaker 4: times prior to this particular incident, but that evening we

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Speaker 4: were out several places before we went home, one of

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Speaker 4: which was Roxbury where Nicole saw Oj across the dance

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Speaker 4: had had enough of his stalking and following us. So

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Speaker 4: want to do. Let's just get out of here. So

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Speaker 4: we headed back to the house, not knowing he was

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Speaker 4: going to follow us. In hindsight, maybe should have had

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Speaker 4: time we made love, so it was a special It

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Speaker 4: was very special. Come to find out.

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Speaker 1: You know, I need a strength and I named one

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Speaker 1: really quickly.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall is joining us renowned psychoanalyst.

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Speaker 1: Out of la this jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker.

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Speaker 2: You can see her now on Peacock and you can

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Speaker 2: find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 2: I'm just a trial lawyer, you're the shrink. But this,

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Speaker 2: there's got to be a name for this, for what

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Speaker 2: Simpson did before the double murders.

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Speaker 6: Yes, well, obviously it's voyeurism, but Nancy, it is stalking,

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Speaker 6: like the title of Keith's book, and the psychology of

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Speaker 6: stalking is that the perpetrator, the stalker, lives in a

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Speaker 6: state of rejection all the time, even when that other person,

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Speaker 6: maybe in a wouldn't pick up a phone call or

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Speaker 6: wouldn't spend time with him, and everything got interpreted as rejections.

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Speaker 6: So he stalked her to punish her for rejecting him.

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Speaker 6: He also believed that she belonged to him like property.

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Speaker 6: So I imagine when he's standing outside the window watching them

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Speaker 6: have sex, take each other's clothes off, make out. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I'm imagining the whole thing, with his face pressed up

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Speaker 6: at that point, possibly having homicidal fantasies. I'm not surprised

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Speaker 6: that Keith waited so long to come out with this

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Speaker 6: book because OJ Simpson is gone now. He can't do

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Speaker 6: anything from the grapes, so it's a safe time to

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Speaker 6: talk about it and It's a very important message this book.

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Speaker 6: I think it's so wonderful Keith that you wrote it

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Speaker 6: and that people can read it about it.

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Speaker 2: I forget what you just said, doctor Bethany, Because Simpson,

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Speaker 2: even during his marriage was women threw themselves at him.

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Speaker 1: How can you say OJ Simpson was in his state

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Speaker 1: of rejection. The world loved him. He was an icon.

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Speaker 1: Don't you remember those I believe it was.

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Speaker 2: Was it Avas or hurt I think it was AVOs

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Speaker 2: rental cars where he would be running through the airport

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Speaker 2: and jumping over things, is very athletic, carrying like a

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Speaker 1: He was a star.

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Speaker 2: He was in movies, he was in commercials. Everybody loved him.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean a state of rejection but no dancy.

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Speaker 6: This is what we see Bucker's and I believe was

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Speaker 6: going on psychologically for Oj is that he probably had

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Speaker 6: sexual relationships with other women, responded to women, flirted with women.

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Speaker 6: But at the same time he was obsessed and preoccupied

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Speaker 6: with these guys often they're pathologically jealous. They feel betrayed

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Speaker 6: He would feel betrayed and rejected and then to get

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Speaker 6: a really common thing for sociopaths, and he seems to just.

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Speaker 1: Don't get it.

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Speaker 2: Let me go back to Keith Zlamzowitch, the author of

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Speaker 2: a brand new book Climbing the Charts on Amazon, stalked,

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Speaker 2: but I like the rest of the title because it

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Speaker 2: says so much more it could have been me. And

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Speaker 2: he's right because in a blind rage, Simpson not only

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Speaker 2: murdered decapitated his wife Nicole, but a completely innocent guy

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Speaker 2: that had returned a pair of glasses to her home

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Speaker 2: that night.

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Speaker 1: You know, there he is Ron Goleman. And what a.

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Speaker 2: Horrific phone call had to be made to Golman's family

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Speaker 2: to tell them, just out of the blue, their boy

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Speaker 1: They probably first thought, oh, it must have been a

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Speaker 2: No, no, then they find out the awful truth.

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Speaker 1: Guys, the stalking just so bizarre.

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Speaker 2: But that night, the first time that Keith had sex

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Speaker 2: with Nicole Brown they had been dating a while. He

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Speaker 2: had no idea oj Simpson was peeking peeping tom through

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Speaker 4: The very next day, OJ burst into us. We were

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Speaker 4: in the back bedroom of one of Nicole of Nicholl's house,

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Speaker 4: So I stood my ground, stood in between the two

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Speaker 4: her and read her the Riot Act.

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Speaker 1: What was he saying to you or let me guess,

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Speaker 4: Blah, Oh, how filthy she was, how disgrace she is.

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Speaker 4: I watched you. I saw everything you did. You know

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Speaker 4: it was as bad. I couldn't hear every word he

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, and he stretches out. He breaks in.

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Speaker 1: Me woke you up, and starts harassing Well what now?

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Speaker 4: I was giving her a I was giving her a

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Speaker 4: and he came right through, stood right in my face

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Speaker 4: was obviously mortified. I didn't know what to do. I

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Speaker 4: So he repeatedly said, I want to talk to you alone.

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Speaker 4: don't trust you. Until eventually Nicole convinced me to go outside.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't hear every word they were saying. Five ten

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Speaker 4: minutes later, when they came out of the together, he

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Speaker 4: hearted sort of shook my hand. I'm a proud man,

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Speaker 2: Say, she's a proud man, A proud man that hunkered

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Speaker 1: What you were doing with the wife that he had

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Speaker 1: broken up with him over the beatings, That proud man.

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Speaker 2: Can you just see him squatted down behind the bush.

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Speaker 2: It's probably the hides the kite, and we.

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Speaker 4: it's exactly what he did on June twelfth. He came

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Speaker 2: Such a Bethey Marshall, what does that mean. I mean,

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Speaker 6: Nancy is part of the pattern of abuse right devalue

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Speaker 6: They're having this romantic evening, he bursts through the bedroom

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Speaker 6: He turns reality on its head. He's actually humiliating himself

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Speaker 1: And what he won? What do you mean he won.

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Speaker 7: That?

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Speaker 6: He has now taken Nicole apart, psychologically abused her, beat

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Speaker 2: So basically, he's like a dog that comes in and

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Speaker 6: Exactly that's exactly what he did. That's how he asserted

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Speaker 6: I used to live in Brentwood between Nicole was just

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Speaker 1: That that was just her life. Very disturbing.

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Speaker 2: And even though I prosecuted, by the time I got

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Speaker 2: But when I worked at the Battered Women's Center as

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Speaker 1: That was for nine years.

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Speaker 2: And to hear these women because again by the time

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Speaker 1: It would be just a way of life for them.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's curious.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, Keith Zlamzowitch new book stalked it could

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Speaker 1: Everybody's dancing. Look there's Simpson. Oh what a coinciding there

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Speaker 1: And she was like, there he is. See I would

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Speaker 2: But she it was just typical another day in Brentwood

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Speaker 1: It was just routine for her at that point. She

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Speaker 1: There he is like a bad penny.

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Speaker 4: And we were getting used to it, to be honest

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Speaker 4: So he knew exactly where to go, where to find us,

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Speaker 4: We get into Roxbury and there he is, We leave

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Speaker 1: This is about it. I mean they even had an

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Speaker 2: Hey, when we both show up at the same place

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Another thing that you just mentioned that you think other

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Speaker 2: hold on, Slammy, wait a minute, don't make this a

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Speaker 1: Guys, it didn't end there. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Keith meets Nicole Aspen, Colorado. Zlimzowitch is director of operations

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Speaker 5: Nicole was there, Keith was there. The defendant suddenly showed up,

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Speaker 4: That was intimidate.

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Speaker 1: No one over here now and the three two, five,

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Speaker 4: He's back, Timplon, I.

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Speaker 8: Think you know his records be over here, throwing him over.

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Speaker 1: What kind of cardie? He's in a white cronkle, always looking.

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Speaker 2: To her here.

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Speaker 1: The nine on one calls escalate, escalate, escalate.

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Speaker 2: Nothing was ever done, and now she's dead joining us

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Speaker 2: tonight a man that truly loved her and that she loved.

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Speaker 2: In return, Keith Slums, which new book stalked it could

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Speaker 1: I want to look very quickly at what we were

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Speaker 2: And that's Darden's argument to the jury because I want

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Speaker 2: to watch Simpson. This is Darden describing another incident where

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Speaker 1: Let's watch.

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Speaker 4: That's a messalone.

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Speaker 5: Nicole was there, Keith was there. The defendant suddenly showed up,

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Speaker 5: and she's still my wife when she filed for divorce

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Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to say. That's what I want

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Speaker 2: When Darden says she filed for divorce and moved out

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Speaker 2: And another thing I've noticed when I was watching him

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Speaker 1: Like suddenly start writing notes. I would have loved to

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Speaker 1: But he would look away from the journey start writing notes.

440
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: So I would always know when I was watching the

441
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: trial at the time that whatever was happening that would

442
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: make Simpsons act like he was taking legal notes was

443
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: something that was damaging to the defense.

444
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: I want to move forward. Guys, listen to this.

445
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: After the incident at Metzaluna, when Keith refuses to back

446
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 3: down to Simpson, Nicole opens up and shares her life

447
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 3: of abuse with Simpson. As the couple continues to date,

448
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 3: Simpson stalks Keith and Nicole wherever they go, showing up

449
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 3: at every restaurant in the nightclub, hiding in bushes and

450
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 3: watching through windows, making it impossible for Nicole to have

451
00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: a romantic relationships.

452
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: Keith Zlamzowitch, author of a brand new book, Stalked It

453
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: could have been me?

454
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 2: Keith, when did she first tell you that Simpson had

455
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: been beating her for years?

456
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 4: Very early on? Actually, when I got to Los Angeles

457
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 4: and we started the dating thing, we became and as

458
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 4: these incidents of stalking started to present themselves, we were

459
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 4: living it in real time, so we had this sort

460
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 4: of bond. She understood I was going through the same

461
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 4: thing she had gone through in the past, So she

462
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 4: started to tell me about certain incidents between them, beatings,

463
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 4: you know, control, all his possessiveness, personal stuff that I

464
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 4: think she felt at that time because we had a

465
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 4: bond from what we were going through together, so she

466
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 4: opened up about everything, and I think she opened up

467
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 4: more to me than she did to a lot of people,

468
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 4: maybe even some of her family. You know, she wasn't

469
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 4: very proud of of some of the stuff that had

470
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 4: happened to her in the past. So some of the

471
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 4: stuff she kept inside she shared with me because we

472
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 4: were living it in real time. She also was visiting

473
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 4: a psychologist at the time. We used to almost laugh

474
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 4: about it because the psychologist gave her a book entitled

475
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 4: something to the effect Women Who Love Men who Hate Them.

476
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 4: And I remember she used to have that book at

477
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 4: the house and she'd read from it and talk to

478
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 4: me about it a little bit, and she was trying

479
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 4: to figure out what it was that kept her with

480
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 4: him all those years.

481
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: At the hands of it did that Nicole Brown was

482
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 2: not proud of things that had happened to her.

483
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 7: Like what.

484
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 4: Like beatings. I described some of them in the book.

485
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 4: There are times when they'd be on a trip together,

486
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 4: a business trip, and he'd leave the room and he'd

487
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 4: come back and she'd know that he was with another woman,

488
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 4: and she would confront him and she'd be beaten and

489
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 4: locked in a closet. That happened more than once, and

490
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,479
Speaker 4: she told me about those. So obviously she wasn't very

491
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 4: proud that she was still around after some of those incidents.

492
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 4: But it was her family, it was the children, it

493
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 4: was the thought of having that family unit together that

494
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 4: kept her around all those years and ultimately led to

495
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 4: the reconciliation. The failed reconciliation that cost her her life.

496
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: Leads me to another ship got back with. Did her

497
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: family encourage her to stay with Simpson.

498
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 4: No, I don't believe that. I know that they liked OJ. Initially.

499
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 4: OJ was very charming. There were two Ojs and this

500
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 4: is something she told me directly. There's two OJ Simpson's Keith.

501
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 4: There's the public one that everybody sees, and there's a

502
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 4: private one that only I see. And you don't never

503
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 4: want to be left alone with the private one because

504
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 4: you don't know what he's capable of. I mean, we

505
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: had that conversation. So I think the family thought OJ

506
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 4: was a nicer guy than he really was. I mean,

507
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 4: they were aware a few incidents. Obviously, Denise testified to

508
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 4: several domestic violence incidents that Nicole told her about. But

509
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 4: I can't get in the middle of the family dynamic

510
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 4: and tell you exactly what they were thinking. But I

511
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 4: know Denise, you know, was witnessed to from Nicole telling

512
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 4: her several incidents.

513
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: Did they take money from Simpson her family?

514
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 4: I don't know that they took money. I know that

515
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 4: it's widely reported that they helped Nicole's father with I

516
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 4: believe it was a hurtz rent a car franchise that

517
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 4: you know, he ultimately made some money. What from so

518
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 4: I think that happened. I never heard anything like he

519
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 4: you know, provided them with cash for a house or

520
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 4: anything like that. And I don't think that was the case.

521
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 4: I mean, lou and Judy were salt of the earth

522
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 4: people they met well.

523
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, I think they stood.

524
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: For the door that people make those claims against her

525
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: family to somehow, I mean I see it all the time.

526
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: Somehow blame the victims. It's their fault.

527
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: They were leeches, they took money, they encouraged it, and ooh, he.

528
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: Lost his temper and killed her.

529
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: It's just total crap, Doctor Bethany Marshall, this brings up

530
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: another issue, if you could touch on it very quickly.

531
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: Why is it the woman feels ashamed of what quote.

532
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: Happened to her. It's like ooh, a trip that happened

533
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: to me. No, it didn't happen to her. Someone physically

534
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: assaulted her, beat her to a pulp, and would lock

535
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: her in the closet, which is a new to us.

536
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: That's something I didn't know would lock her in a closet.

537
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: Now, look again, that's a trial lawyer, but that means

538
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: something to lock somebody in a closet.

539
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 6: Well, he again, he wanted total control and dominance over her,

540
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 6: So to locker in a closet is to have her

541
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 6: all for himself and also to terrify her and discourage

542
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 6: her from interacting with other people. Nancy, this self blame

543
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 6: that victims do. I think of it as a crisis

544
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 6: of boundaries, meaning the victim knows that something is severely

545
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 6: wrong with the perpetrator. The perpetrator is disregulated, obsessed, self preoccupied,

546
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 6: relating to the victim through power instead of love and affection.

547
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 6: But the victim feels that it's her job to fix it,

548
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 6: and if she can't fix it, then she has failed

549
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 6: in some way. In some ways, these men pull the

550
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 6: women in kind of a mothering role. That becomes the

551
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 6: woman's job to keep the man's world safe and predictable,

552
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 6: to make him okay. So when she can't do it,

553
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 6: when that task breaks down, she then falls into self blame. Also,

554
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 6: there's so much humiliation going on, Nancy, it's almost like

555
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 6: a form of brain where she begins to feel that

556
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 6: she's a failure, because you hear.

557
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: What she said to Keith that there were two ojs

558
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: when everybody sees in public and the one that she

559
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: sees in private. I have seen that in court. Of course,

560
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: by the time I get it, it's a domestic homicide.

561
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: But no one would ever think this guy was the devil.

562
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: The devil when he's alone with the woman at home.

563
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: He's so charming and charismatic, some people even think attractive physically.

564
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: It could not be more of a dichotomy, you.

565
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 6: Know, Nancy, I thought of sociopathy, right, the personality disorder

566
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 6: of being a sociopath when Keith was talking about this,

567
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 6: because one of the criterias is that the sociopath has

568
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 6: a thin veneer of affability. They're charming, they're outgoing because

569
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 6: of how people really tend to like them. At the

570
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 6: minute they get their feelings hurt or they feel diminished,

571
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 6: minimized in some way, that veneer cracks, and what you

572
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 6: see underneath is a very cold, calculated interior. So he

573
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 6: was calculating, probably for a long long time, how he

574
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 6: was going to put a stop to all of this,

575
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 6: and we know especially.

576
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: You get what we're doing tonight, right.

577
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: I'm not only talking about your new book Stalked, but

578
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell and I want you to help

579
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: me tell it along with Bethany to other women.

580
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: They think nobody's gonna believe me. This is somehow my fault.

581
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: I screwed up. I don't want my family to know.

582
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear a high neck and long sleeves and

583
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: long pants. I don't want anybody to see the bruises.

584
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: I don't want my children to know. I don't want

585
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: to mess up, mess up my family. I don't want

586
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: to do that. It's all technical, legal term crap bs.

587
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: They will be beaten. It statistically will not get better.

588
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: It won't. It will get worse. I don't like being

589
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: the harbinger of doom, but.

590
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: I know what the statistics tell me, and the woman

591
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: will live through it for the rest of her life

592
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: if she stays, and even worse, the children will see it,

593
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: hear it.

594
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: Mommy's a whoreror, mommy's a bitch, and they will grow

595
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: up numb to that and think it's okay.

596
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: The girl growing up will end up with a man

597
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: that beats her Statistically and the boy growing up. He

598
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: starts off like a little angel will grow up to

599
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: beat someone.

600
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: Statistically, this is true. You've got to tell this story, Keith.

601
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: Do you hear me?

602
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 4: You hear you? And that's part of the reason I

603
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 4: wrote the book. Over the years, certainly since the advent

604
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 4: of social media, I've been reached out to by numerous

605
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 4: women around the country and some overseas that followed the story,

606
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 4: followed Nicole in my plight and appreciated what I did

607
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 4: to try to defend her and pick up for her.

608
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 4: Made a lot of I've helped a lot of women

609
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 4: out of circumstances where they've come to me and said,

610
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 4: you know, you gave me the strength to get out

611
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 4: of this relationship when I didn't think I had that,

612
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 4: and I'm still friends with some of them to this day.

613
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: So I wanted this to be a sort of wake

614
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 4: up call for some women who are going through this

615
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 4: right now as we speak, who may be watching this,

616
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 4: to know that it doesn't change. Guys like that are

617
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 4: going to be like that. They do not change. When

618
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 4: OJ tried his reconciliation with Nicole fifteen months after I

619
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 4: had met her and we had been so close during

620
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 4: that time, he took her away to Mexico. She was

621
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 4: at her parents' house for Easter weekend, I believe it was,

622
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 4: and he knew she would be there, so he showed

623
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 4: up unannounced, uninvited, and tried to convince her he had

624
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: been to therap, he had changed, he was a new man,

625
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 4: and he swept her away to Mexico to spend some

626
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 4: time together to try to get her back. She fell

627
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 4: into it, and you know, sadly, all Nick really wanted

628
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 4: was her family. She wanted that family unit together, and

629
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 4: we talked about this many times, and she fell back

630
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 4: into his trap of I've changed, let me show you

631
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 4: how good I can be. And she called me and

632
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: we had long talks about it, and she decided she

633
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 4: was going to give it a try. And that's when

634
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 4: our incredible friendship that we had developed came to an

635
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,959
Speaker 4: end because he never got over me. And then fast

636
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 4: forward to October that year when the nine to one

637
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 4: one tape occurs. Something else you have to remember is

638
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 4: he did all this in front of the children. He

639
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 4: belittled Nicole over the year and a half about making

640
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 4: love to me with the children in the house. That

641
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 4: was his big thing. Look what you did. The kids

642
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 4: are here, Look what you did. You're trash, You're dirty,

643
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 4: You're filthy. All the things he said to make her

644
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 4: feel that way. But look at the facts. He kicked

645
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 4: in the door and threatened to beat her when the

646
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 4: children were there. He killed her and Ron Goldman when

647
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 4: the children were there and the door was open and

648
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 4: they were sleeping right upstairs. And if they hadn't found

649
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 4: those bodies, the children would have woken up. Tommy was

650
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: Keith your father?

651
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: And women out there are looking at Nicole Brown, you know,

652
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: before she was murdered by Simpson, thinking oh, she's so beautiful,

653
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: she's so glamorous, she's so perfect.

654
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: She's got this perfect life, this beautiful home, gorgeous.

655
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 2: Home children Simpson, and they think, you know, why can't

656
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 2: I have a life like that?

657
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: And the reality is abuse, And that seems to be

658
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: sugarcoating it. I mean, downright beatings.

659
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: Breaking arms, noses, blood gushing out of your mouth, losing teeth.

660
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: That's the reality.

661
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: And if it could happen to someone like Nicole Brown,

662
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: it can happen to anybody.

663
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: Speaking of the other O. J. Simpson, take a lesson

664
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: someone over here now three two five.

665
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 4: Britton agree, he's that?

666
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: Please?

667
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 4: Okay?

668
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 8: What does okay, Jimpson?

669
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 4: I think you know his record?

670
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 5: Over here?

671
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: What is he doing here?

672
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: Over?

673
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: He's in a white bronc Broke.

674
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 5: Wait a minute.

675
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 6: What's your name?

676
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 4: Okay?

677
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 5: Is either sports Canter or whatever?

678
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 6: Yeah?

679
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:40,959
Speaker 5: Okay, wait a minute?

680
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 4: What is he? Is?

681
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 9: Mister Simpson kissing Denise Brown? Because mister Dtha Brown, it

682
00:37:52,040 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 9: is mister Lewis. Brown's talking to a friend Rex his

683
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 9: son Justin let me kisses.

684
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: After Sydney's dance recital, Nicole, the children, and her family

685
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: leaves Simpson behind at the school and go to dinner

686
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 3: with friends at Metzaluna in Brentwood. Nichole's mother accidentally leaves

687
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 3: her glasses behind, and Ron Goldman, a friend of Nicole

688
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: who works at the restaurant, volunteers to drop the glasses

689
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 3: off at Nichole's house. Goldman leaves Metsaluna at nine forty

690
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: five pm.

691
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 7: Non invited to family dinner at Mezzaluna, Simpson grabs McDonald's

692
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 7: with his house guest, Kayln Cato. The pair returned to

693
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 7: Simpson's home around nine forty pm. Around ten forty pm, Kayln,

694
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 7: here's several thumps outside his room and goes to investigate,

695
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 7: but gets distracted by the limo waiting outside Simpson's gate,

696
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 7: hired to take him for the airport.

697
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: Closing arguments by my former co anchor Johnny Cochran's from

698
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: our friends at Court TV. And you know what they're

699
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 2: doing right there at Keith's Lumsawitch, author of a brand

700
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: new book, stalked Cochrane, brilliant, great trial lawyer. You'd have

701
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 2: a jury eating out his hand. He's portraying Simpson as

702
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: being charming and in with the family. That Simpson kissed Denise,

703
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: he kissed JUDITHA, he kissed mister Brown, picks up his

704
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 2: son Justin, his son with Nicole and kisses him.

705
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: Oh what a great family guy. They all love him.

706
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: I know exactly what Johnny Cochrane, god rest Is Soul

707
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:25,479
Speaker 2: is doing.

708
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: This guy would never look at him. The whole family

709
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: loves him. He wasn't beating Nicole Bs, Yes he was.

710
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: That's from Court TV, Keith. That's what Cochrane is doing

711
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: right there. He's a puppet master.

712
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 4: Absolutely, But that goes back to what I was saying earlier.

713
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 4: There's two O. J.

714
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: Simpsons.

715
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,959
Speaker 4: He's in public. There he's around the kids, he's around

716
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 4: the family. So you're gonna see that O. J. Simpson,

717
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 4: You're not going to see the private one. That was

718
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 4: the one who beat Nicole and the one who stalked

719
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 4: us and followed us and made our life possible to

720
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 4: be together and miserable. So it just goes right into

721
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 4: what I was saying about the ches.

722
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: Is all of this is happening the night Nicole and

723
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: Ron are murdered. There was the piano recitaled, and the

724
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: family goes to Messaluna after he's not invited, and his

725
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: rage begins to build, and this is where it ends.

726
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: Listen a neighbor's seas Nicolls white Akita Cato wandering the

727
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 3: neighborhood alone, barking, agitated, and on closer inspection they notice

728
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: he has bloody pause.

729
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Gray.

730
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: A neighbors seas Nicolls, white Akita Cato wandering the neighborhood alone, barking, agitated,

731
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: and on closer inspection they notice he has bloody Pause.

732
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 3: The neighbor follows Cato to investigate, discovering Nicole and Ron's

733
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: bodies at twelve ten am.

734
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: Wondering the neighborhood covered in blood.

735
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: Nichole's blood, her head practically cut off her body in

736
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: the front yard, but no one believes Simpson could have

737
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: done it.

738
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: We know he hides in the bushes and stalks her home.

739
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: He sees Ron Goldman. He thinks, Oh, they're the whores

740
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 2: with another man. I'm sure that's what he was thinking.

741
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: Nothing could have been further from the truth, so Lapd

742
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: heads to Simpson's home.

743
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 7: Detectives, Furman, and Fanatter go to simpsons nearby home to

744
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 7: notify him of his wife's death. Furman sees what appears

745
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 7: to be bloodstains on Simpson's Ford Bronco and decides to

746
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 7: jump the fence to gain access to Simpson's property. Fanatter

747
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 7: declares Simpson's home a crime scene and goes to secure

748
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 7: a search warrant for the house around seven am.

749
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: Simpson leaves home at eleven ten PM to catch an

750
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 3: eleven forty five flight to Chicago, lands by thirty am,

751
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 3: backing into the O'Hare Plaza hotel. At six fifteen. Seven am,

752
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 3: detectives inform Simpson of the murders over the phone and

753
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 3: ask him to return to La Simpson flies back June

754
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 3: thirteenth and his handcuffed. On arrival, Simson his question for hours,

755
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: an investigator's photograph.

756
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: On his bronco cut on his hand. How did this

757
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: guy walk free?

758
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: And then there's the NFMUS slow speed chase for Simpson

759
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: basically holds himself hostage.

760
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: Remember that, because I'll never forget it.

761
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: What are you reporting?

762
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: One?

763
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: I have in the car?

764
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: Okay, where are you free? I'm coming up to five freeways.

765
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: Okay, right now, we all we allkay, but.

766
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: You gotta sell a brass back off. He still laughs.

767
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: He's got to go through his hair.

768
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on a minute, Micah, let me hold on

769
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: a moment.

770
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 4: There's everything else, Okay, everything right now, go everything.

771
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: That's all.

772
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 5: That's all. We have got.

773
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: Something, all right.

774
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: I cannot believe the arrogance of these two. You know

775
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: who I am?

776
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 7: What?

777
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: No, the dispatcher does not know who you are.

778
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: Callings for your first two initials, and he says he's

779
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: going to his mother's.

780
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: This guy murder two people?

781
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: Why is he even out walking around on bonds holding

782
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: himself hostage?

783
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: Uh?

784
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: No, anybody else they would have police would have overtaken,

785
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 2: gotten them out of that car and put them face

786
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 2: down on the ground.

787
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: But no, not Simpson. And it all culminates in this.

788
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 7: Matter people versus Orienthal James Simpson. You plead to count

789
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 7: one and two.

790
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 4: Absolutely what Simson is.

791
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 10: This is oj Simpson's one day in court by your decision,

792
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 10: control of his very life in your hands. Treat you carefully,

793
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 10: treated fairly, be fair, don't be part of this continuing

794
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 10: cover up. Do the right thing, remembering that if it

795
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 10: doesn't fit, you must acquit.

796
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 8: In the matter of the People of the State of

797
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 8: California versus Orenthal James Simpson, Case number b A zero

798
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 8: ninety seven two one one, we the jury and the

799
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 8: ambolved and title action find the defendant or Orenthal James Simpson,

800
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 8: not guilty of a crime of murder in violation of

801
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 8: penal cult Section one eighty seven a A felony upon

802
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 8: Nicole Brown Simpson our.

803
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: Forends a Court TV. Were you surprised at the verdict?

804
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 4: Keith, Yes, Now I was concerned that the jury was

805
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 4: going to buy into Johnny Cochrane's both for the lack

806
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 4: of a better word, but I wasn't over it.

807
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: You were actually a pall bearer. You carried Nichole's coffin.

808
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: What was going through your mind? You knew he murdered her.

809
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 4: This is almost a surreal, out of body experience. You

810
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 4: got to remember the murders took place on a Sunday night,

811
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 4: Monday morning. The funeral was on a Thursday. It was

812
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 4: so lightning speed. I flew out there immediately. The family

813
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 4: asked me if i'd be a ballbearer. I didn't see

814
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 4: them because I flew into Los Angeles the night before.

815
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 4: So the first interaction I had face to face with

816
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 4: the Brown family was as holding the basket at the funeral.

817
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 4: And that's when one of the sisters came up to

818
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 4: me and said, do you realize what we were talking

819
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 4: about that night? And I said, no, I don't, She

820
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 4: said you she was talking about Surprise and Aspen. So

821
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 4: imagine my heartbreak. I hadn't spoken in Nicole for six

822
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 4: months or so, since that infamous nine one one call

823
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 4: where we weren't allowed to speak anymore because of OJ

824
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 4: still loving her, still thinking about her every day. She's dead,

825
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 4: she's gone. I'm holding her casket. I'm standing two feet

826
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 4: away from the guy I know in my heart and

827
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 4: mine murdered her. And I'm told that she was thinking

828
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 4: about me the night she was murdered. I was. I

829
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 4: can't even tell you the emotions that went through me

830
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 4: at that point. So it was crazy. And then as

831
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 4: we went down to the burial site, I actually had

832
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 4: to stand next to oj Simpson almost elbow to elbow

833
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 4: for an hour or whatever time it took to read

834
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 4: the rites of Passage and everything that took place down there,

835
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 4: knowing what had happened, and having to stand next to him.

836
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 4: So just imagine my emotions during that whole thing.

837
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 7: It was.

838
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 4: It's hard to describe. I try to do that in

839
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 4: the book. I do my best job of trying to

840
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 4: walk the reader through exactly what I was feeling in

841
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 4: my emotions. But it was crazy.

842
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: Case you never married after all these.

843
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 4: Years, ever married, never had children. I don't know if

844
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 4: that's strictly because of my relationship with Nicole, but I

845
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 4: never got over it. My life turned into a circus, obviously,

846
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 4: with what was going on. It took me years to

847
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 4: get over that, and I always kept a place for

848
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 4: in my heart and I just never could get that

849
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 4: attached to anyone else from that point on. So I'm

850
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 4: pushing sixty five now, I'm still single, and I have

851
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 4: a lot of great memories, but this tragic event shaped

852
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 4: my life, my entire adult or not.

853
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: I know exactly how you feel.

854
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 4: I know you do it.

855
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: This book is amazing.

856
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: I'm so honored that you joined us, Keith, this book

857
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: Stalked it could have been me, And there's just so

858
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: much more to say beyond what we've talked about tonight,

859
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: even beyond.

860
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: What's in your book.

861
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: Just I'm very grateful for you shining a light on

862
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: this plague in our world of women being abused so

863
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: horribly and ending up dead and their children destined to

864
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: repeat the pattern. Stalked it could have been me. Tonight,

865
00:48:52,840 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: we remember all the women who proceeded and followed Nicole Brown,

866
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: victims to domestic violence. Not just them, but they're children

867
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: victims as well. And we honor the women that find

868
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 2: the strength to speak out. They are all our American heroes.

869
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off, Goodbye friend,