WEBVTT - Alex Berenson on the China Virus Lab Leak 0:00:11.697 --> 0:00:14.977 You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 0:00:14.977 --> 0:00:17.977 you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 0:00:18.017 --> 0:00:21.617 wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to the 0:00:21.657 --> 0:00:24.337 Buck Brief. We've got Alex Berenson with us, the man 0:00:24.337 --> 0:00:28.177 who was right about COVID, which I think is a 0:00:28.657 --> 0:00:31.897 phenomenally important thing to have been right about, and so 0:00:31.937 --> 0:00:34.297 we're honored to have him here with us today. Unreported 0:00:34.377 --> 0:00:38.497 Truth is his sub stack. I'm a subscriber, so full disclosure, 0:00:38.577 --> 0:00:43.057 recommend you all subscribe as well, mister Alex Berenson. Always 0:00:43.057 --> 0:00:48.177 an honor and a privilege, sir, so is is Fauci 0:00:48.897 --> 0:00:52.217 changing his name and you know, like living in the 0:00:52.297 --> 0:00:54.817 in the Yukon somewhere. I don't think so. Somehow the 0:00:54.857 --> 0:00:57.537 little the evil, little smurf got away with it all. 0:00:58.737 --> 0:01:00.977 Uh yeah, no, I mean I wouldn't say he's changed 0:01:01.017 --> 0:01:02.697 his name. I'd say he's, you know, picking up one 0:01:02.737 --> 0:01:06.697 hundred grand a speaking appearance, and he's got a book 0:01:06.737 --> 0:01:10.057 coming out in June where he will I'm gonna go 0:01:10.217 --> 0:01:12.137 out on a limb hear and say not tell us 0:01:12.177 --> 0:01:15.377 the truth about everything that he knows. But you know, 0:01:15.537 --> 0:01:18.137 I I suspect that book will be released to the 0:01:18.217 --> 0:01:21.897 you know, loud hosannas of the of the same people 0:01:21.897 --> 0:01:24.617 who've been talking about how wonderful a job you did 0:01:24.617 --> 0:01:27.337 for the last four years. It'll be interesting to see 0:01:27.377 --> 0:01:31.257 if there's any sort of critical questioning of uh, you know, 0:01:31.497 --> 0:01:35.617 particularly of the way he tried to steer you know, 0:01:35.697 --> 0:01:42.297 the investigation into the origins of COVID early on. But frankly, unfortunately, 0:01:42.337 --> 0:01:45.577 I think, don't. I just don't anticipate he's going to 0:01:45.617 --> 0:01:47.337 get a lot of pushback. We'll see, we'll see. 0:01:47.457 --> 0:01:49.777 No, I don't think. I don't think he will. I think, unfortunately, 0:01:49.817 --> 0:01:51.577 the problem and this was a worry that I had 0:01:51.617 --> 0:01:55.817 all along during COVID that they may they used force 0:01:55.937 --> 0:01:59.497 to make so many people complicit in the whole thing, 0:02:00.057 --> 0:02:03.337 that everyone at some level like feel like your hands 0:02:03.337 --> 0:02:05.217 like you know, look, I'll just admit like I didn't 0:02:05.537 --> 0:02:07.377 want to be banned from all New York restaurants, and 0:02:07.377 --> 0:02:09.457 I didn't want to falsify. So I got the Jay 0:02:09.497 --> 0:02:12.777 and Jayshot. I thought that was the halfway measure. I 0:02:12.817 --> 0:02:14.617 wish I could sit here and say I refuse because 0:02:14.617 --> 0:02:16.857 I didn't think it. I got the Jay and Jay 0:02:16.977 --> 0:02:20.577 obviously because over the nurses objections who gave it to me? 0:02:20.617 --> 0:02:22.697 She's like, oh this one, this one doesn't really work. 0:02:22.697 --> 0:02:24.617 You don't want this one, and said, no, no, no, give 0:02:24.617 --> 0:02:27.337 me the one that's not the mRNA. I'm good, right, 0:02:27.657 --> 0:02:29.537 And I wish I wish I had gone you know, 0:02:29.937 --> 0:02:31.697 without any of it. But I just bring it up 0:02:31.737 --> 0:02:34.977 because I think they made so many people, you know, 0:02:35.617 --> 0:02:38.097 like they sullied so many hands, and you had no choice. 0:02:38.217 --> 0:02:39.737 The now veryone just wants to forget it. And I 0:02:39.817 --> 0:02:41.937 kind of at some level understand that, but refuse to 0:02:41.937 --> 0:02:43.817 go along with it entirely. Why we have you here, 0:02:44.457 --> 0:02:45.257 the LAB leader. 0:02:45.537 --> 0:02:48.697 Well, you're absolutely correct about it. I mean, I think 0:02:48.737 --> 0:02:51.177 we've talked about this more. Eighty percent of the country now, 0:02:51.337 --> 0:02:54.097 as you know, doesn't want to hear a word about COVID. 0:02:54.457 --> 0:02:57.457 Ten percent is still in that sort of crazy long COVID. 0:02:57.457 --> 0:02:59.537 These are the delusional people who will tweet, you know, 0:02:59.577 --> 0:03:02.737 pictures of themselves with masks and stuff, and then ten percent, 0:03:02.817 --> 0:03:05.857 you know, they there's still people start of reading my 0:03:06.017 --> 0:03:09.057 substack fervently when I you know, when I break news 0:03:09.097 --> 0:03:12.257 about you know, about the LAB leak or about issues 0:03:12.257 --> 0:03:14.457 with the m RNA's But I do I think I 0:03:14.497 --> 0:03:17.617 think you're right. I think most people would rather forget 0:03:17.617 --> 0:03:20.297 that they were ever vaccinated. They know the vaccine didn't 0:03:20.337 --> 0:03:22.497 really work and certainly didn't produce any kind of long 0:03:22.577 --> 0:03:26.017 term protection. They're never going to get another COVID shot, 0:03:26.657 --> 0:03:29.417 and so they are. They just want to be done 0:03:29.417 --> 0:03:33.977 with it. And unfortunately that's enabled, you know, the people 0:03:33.977 --> 0:03:36.017 who pushed all of this to kind of walk away. 0:03:36.337 --> 0:03:39.137 But I do think the one place where we really 0:03:39.177 --> 0:03:42.217 need to keep pressing and and you know, frankly, let's hope, 0:03:42.377 --> 0:03:43.977 and I think that this is sort of the you know, 0:03:44.057 --> 0:03:47.097 much more likely than not there'll be no long term 0:03:47.697 --> 0:03:51.257 major health impacts from the mRNAs. It's just it's just 0:03:51.417 --> 0:03:56.217 over right, Like, barring some sort of catastrophic series of events, 0:03:56.457 --> 0:03:59.057 we're all going to just go on. I mean, I 0:03:59.057 --> 0:04:01.177 mean not me. I didn't get vaccinated with any of them, 0:04:01.177 --> 0:04:02.977 but we're all just going to go on like it 0:04:03.057 --> 0:04:05.897 never happened. But the lab leak really matters, and it 0:04:05.937 --> 0:04:08.617 matters for a couple of reasons. It matters because there 0:04:08.617 --> 0:04:12.537 are three distinct cover right, there's the original cover up 0:04:12.777 --> 0:04:16.097 of the origins of the virus, which you know, I 0:04:16.137 --> 0:04:20.097 think almost to a certainty, came out of a lab 0:04:20.137 --> 0:04:23.657 in Wuhan which was doing experiments to try to make 0:04:24.937 --> 0:04:28.777 coronaviruses more dangerous in an effort to come up with 0:04:28.897 --> 0:04:32.857 better anti virals and vaccines against them. Okay, we can't 0:04:32.897 --> 0:04:35.657 be sure, and we may never be able to be sure, 0:04:35.657 --> 0:04:38.177 but that's cover up number one. Government Number two is 0:04:38.857 --> 0:04:41.657 that that's a Chinese cover up mostly governed. Number two 0:04:41.697 --> 0:04:44.537 is there were a group of Americans who were very 0:04:44.537 --> 0:04:48.097 closely and other Western scientists who were very closely related 0:04:48.857 --> 0:04:51.937 linked to that Chinese lab and had every reason to 0:04:51.977 --> 0:04:55.177 believe that this was what had happened before any of 0:04:55.217 --> 0:04:57.097 the rest of us, because they knew the research better 0:04:57.377 --> 0:05:00.657 and they did everything possible to try to steer the 0:05:00.697 --> 0:05:04.457 investigation and the investigators away from that by saying it 0:05:04.497 --> 0:05:08.257 was racist to even bring it up, by saying by 0:05:08.257 --> 0:05:12.217 coming up with all kinds of you know, BS origin theories, 0:05:12.577 --> 0:05:15.297 and by basically refusing to discuss this. And then there's 0:05:15.297 --> 0:05:17.457 a third cover up, which is the fact that the 0:05:17.537 --> 0:05:20.817 media went along with this. And in the last four years, 0:05:20.897 --> 0:05:24.017 as the evidence has sort of steadily accreted and we've 0:05:24.017 --> 0:05:26.657 seen evidence of that second cover up come out thanks 0:05:26.737 --> 0:05:30.897 to a lot of really diligent civilian detective work. They've 0:05:30.897 --> 0:05:33.497 refused to admit that. So there's three separate things going 0:05:33.537 --> 0:05:36.177 on here. And yeah, maybe we'll never know where COVID 0:05:36.217 --> 0:05:38.777 came from, and maybe we'll never have a definitive answer 0:05:38.857 --> 0:05:41.457 on how safe or dangerous the MR and a's where. 0:05:41.457 --> 0:05:45.017 It's a very very complicated question epidemiologically. But if we 0:05:45.137 --> 0:05:47.897 can't at least have an honest conversation about the fact 0:05:47.937 --> 0:05:51.897 that these people's self interest led them to help the 0:05:51.977 --> 0:05:55.737 Chinese hide the origins of a virus that killed millions 0:05:55.737 --> 0:05:57.897 of people, I don't know where we are as a country. 0:05:58.897 --> 0:06:00.977 What I want to ask you, if you would, for everyone, 0:06:01.057 --> 0:06:05.377 just in short form, based on the best information that 0:06:05.417 --> 0:06:07.577 we have access to today and the research that you've 0:06:07.617 --> 0:06:11.577 done on this issue, give us just the the what 0:06:11.777 --> 0:06:15.297 you know you mentioned those three cover ups. So China, 0:06:15.497 --> 0:06:18.257 it comes out of the lab, then what happens? Then 0:06:18.257 --> 0:06:19.617 what happens? And then what do they say? 0:06:21.017 --> 0:06:23.217 So it comes out the lab, it starts it's you know, 0:06:23.257 --> 0:06:26.777 it starts spreading quickly. There's evidence you know that actually 0:06:26.857 --> 0:06:29.417 in September twenty nineteen, that's when the Chinese might have 0:06:29.457 --> 0:06:32.057 first realized they had a problem, because you know, that's 0:06:32.057 --> 0:06:35.417 when they pulled a lot of their virus sample data 0:06:35.777 --> 0:06:39.337 from an international database. Now, for example, I'm sure that 0:06:39.457 --> 0:06:42.817 data exists somewhere in an NSA database, right because the 0:06:42.897 --> 0:06:46.217 NSA gets access to everything that's ever gone on the Internet. 0:06:46.257 --> 0:06:49.217 So I bet you at somewhere that data exists, but 0:06:49.257 --> 0:06:52.697 it is not available to any civilian. Okay, the Chinese 0:06:52.737 --> 0:06:57.817 pulled it. There's evidence that the Chinese, you know, rapidly 0:06:57.897 --> 0:07:02.297 wanted to change the filters, install higher grades stuff at 0:07:02.337 --> 0:07:06.057 the Luhan lab in the fall of twenty twenty. Okay, 0:07:06.577 --> 0:07:09.457 they don't contain this. It starts to leak in Wuhan. 0:07:10.137 --> 0:07:13.777 Don't know exactly when they realized it couldn't be contained, 0:07:13.777 --> 0:07:17.177 but you know, by by mid January they shut down Wuhan, 0:07:18.137 --> 0:07:19.817 you know, they really, and then they locked down the 0:07:19.817 --> 0:07:22.577 whole country pretty much by then, it's too late, okay. 0:07:22.937 --> 0:07:26.017 And here's here's what I think happened. The people in 0:07:26.057 --> 0:07:29.657 the US who understood the research the best, and that 0:07:29.697 --> 0:07:32.577 would have included Fauci or certainly some of Fauci's deputies, 0:07:32.817 --> 0:07:35.977 were very concerned. They actually thought this was deadly than 0:07:36.017 --> 0:07:40.737 it was okay, because because they knew the kind of 0:07:40.817 --> 0:07:44.577 research that had been proposed and proposed publicly. And this 0:07:44.617 --> 0:07:47.057 is something I wrote about in Unreported Truth less than 0:07:47.057 --> 0:07:48.577 two weeks ago and in a story that got a 0:07:48.577 --> 0:07:51.937 fair bit of attention. Ralph Barrack, who's sort of the 0:07:52.017 --> 0:07:55.177 leading coronavirus researcher in the world. You know this, this 0:07:55.257 --> 0:07:58.177 guy from North Carolina. He's at the University of North Carolina. 0:07:58.457 --> 0:08:02.897 He's an expert at you know, at coronavirus management, let's say, 0:08:02.937 --> 0:08:07.897 at at growing these viruses in the lab, at making 0:08:07.937 --> 0:08:12.337 them more dangerous. He really wanted in the twenty tens, 0:08:13.217 --> 0:08:16.137 he really wanted to find a way to develop a 0:08:16.177 --> 0:08:18.977 pan coronavirus vaccine. That is to say, there are many 0:08:19.017 --> 0:08:23.017 different sub variants or variants of coronavirus. He wanted to 0:08:23.217 --> 0:08:25.537 come up with a vaccine and with anti virals that 0:08:25.537 --> 0:08:27.777 would be able to treat all or most of them. 0:08:28.137 --> 0:08:31.297 And so that is the research that was going on there. 0:08:31.497 --> 0:08:35.457 There were efforts to find dangerous coronaviruses, mainly in caves 0:08:35.857 --> 0:08:38.457 in China, and there was a guy named Peter Dazak 0:08:38.497 --> 0:08:40.657 who was very involved with the Chinese on that part 0:08:40.657 --> 0:08:43.497 of it, and then there were efforts to actually figure 0:08:43.537 --> 0:08:47.297 out how the coronavirus could become most dangerous in an 0:08:47.297 --> 0:08:51.737 effort to build effective vaccines and anti virals, and those 0:08:51.937 --> 0:08:54.217 I think those people and the people who knew what 0:08:54.417 --> 0:08:59.017 research was going on were very scared in January and 0:08:59.017 --> 0:09:01.537 February twenty twenty. And that's one reason in the US 0:09:02.057 --> 0:09:05.137 and you know, and other countries locked down so hard 0:09:05.257 --> 0:09:06.137 and so fast. 0:09:06.417 --> 0:09:09.177 I feel like, wait one sec. Just that's such a 0:09:09.177 --> 0:09:12.337 critical distinction. Because people would go on the air during 0:09:12.337 --> 0:09:13.817 the pandemic and they would talk about this as a 0:09:13.897 --> 0:09:18.257 bio weapon, and I was always like, well, like, it's 0:09:18.457 --> 0:09:21.977 really finding it to they were messing with the super 0:09:22.057 --> 0:09:24.737 dangerous stuff so that they could figure out ways to 0:09:24.817 --> 0:09:26.977 cure It's not because the way that was framed, it 0:09:27.017 --> 0:09:29.577 always sounded to me like this isn't like the Chinese said, 0:09:29.657 --> 0:09:32.137 let's come up with the most dangerous virus imaginable to 0:09:32.217 --> 0:09:34.577 kill the most people imaginable, and that got out right. 0:09:34.617 --> 0:09:37.777 They were studying dangerous viruses with the idea that they 0:09:37.777 --> 0:09:40.417 could figure out. So I mean, I mean, would you 0:09:40.457 --> 0:09:42.217 call it a bio weapon or is. 0:09:42.257 --> 0:09:45.257 Like I would not call it a bio weapon, but 0:09:45.297 --> 0:09:47.817 I would say it was an engineered virus from what 0:09:47.897 --> 0:09:51.337 we know. Okay, here's the thing about coronavirus is very interesting. 0:09:51.417 --> 0:09:55.337 Before two thousand and three, before SARS, which the original SARS, 0:09:56.297 --> 0:09:58.977 the barologists kind of you, coronaviruses is something close to 0:09:59.017 --> 0:10:01.777 a joke. Okay, there were no coronaviruses that did much 0:10:01.817 --> 0:10:05.097 more than and cause common colds in people. Then Stars 0:10:05.177 --> 0:10:07.417 came along. Wasn't that transmissible, but it had a ten 0:10:07.457 --> 0:10:11.777 percent fatality rate. And in twenty thirteen, coronavirus named Mirrors 0:10:11.857 --> 0:10:14.777 came along, and that really wasn't transmissible, but it had 0:10:14.817 --> 0:10:17.137 a fifty percent fatality rate. I mean, which is you know, 0:10:17.257 --> 0:10:20.177 that's a bowl. Uh, that's you know, that's smallpox. That's 0:10:20.217 --> 0:10:21.977 a that's a bad. That's a bad. 0:10:22.697 --> 0:10:25.097 That's like a civilization ender. That's a big deal. 0:10:26.017 --> 0:10:29.257 That's right, Except you couldn't really spread it except you know, 0:10:29.337 --> 0:10:31.137 I mean you had to be like in a hospital 0:10:31.177 --> 0:10:34.217 breathing on a nurse for six hours straight. I'm exaggerating 0:10:34.257 --> 0:10:37.017 only slightly. It really didn't spread very fast. But guys 0:10:37.097 --> 0:10:39.217 like Barrack, I mean when I say guys like Bark, 0:10:39.297 --> 0:10:41.857 I mean mainly Barrick himself and a handful of other 0:10:41.897 --> 0:10:45.017 people who were experts on coronavirus said, look, this is 0:10:45.017 --> 0:10:48.057 what we're talking about. This is really dangerous. You have 0:10:48.137 --> 0:10:50.697 to let us research this so that we can get 0:10:50.697 --> 0:10:53.177 out in front of the next one of these. Okay, 0:10:53.537 --> 0:10:55.857 And and I'm not making this up. This is all. 0:10:56.017 --> 0:10:58.617 This was all publicly discussed, and there were fights about 0:10:58.657 --> 0:11:00.497 it because there were people on the other side who said, 0:11:00.577 --> 0:11:02.657 this is a really bad idea. We do not want 0:11:02.697 --> 0:11:05.417 to do gain of function research here. The risks outweigh 0:11:05.417 --> 0:11:09.177 the rewards. Okay. But but in the end, the virologists 0:11:09.217 --> 0:11:11.537 and you know, both in the US and in China 0:11:12.057 --> 0:11:14.297 kind of pushed ahead on this, and then particularly in China, 0:11:14.337 --> 0:11:17.377 they pushed a head on it. And so, okay, twenty nineteen, 0:11:17.737 --> 0:11:21.457 this thing starts to leak twenty twenty. It's uncontained, and 0:11:23.057 --> 0:11:25.817 there are clues from the outset that it is probably 0:11:25.817 --> 0:11:27.817 an engineered virus. There's this thing called the fer and 0:11:27.897 --> 0:11:32.697 cleavage site, which basically doesn't really exist in natural coronaviruses, 0:11:32.937 --> 0:11:36.377 and there's other evidence. Okay, And what does Fauci do, 0:11:36.977 --> 0:11:40.337 What does Ralph Barrack do, What does Peter Dazac do 0:11:41.057 --> 0:11:43.977 what doll basically all the leading viologists do. They say, 0:11:44.217 --> 0:11:48.617 if you want to, if you want to investigate this 0:11:48.737 --> 0:11:51.977 as a as a virus that leaked, you are racist, 0:11:52.537 --> 0:11:55.377 You are hurting our relationship with the Chinese. You are 0:11:55.417 --> 0:11:58.457 hurting science. This is a natural virus. We're gonna figure 0:11:58.457 --> 0:12:00.697 out where it came from, just like we did with 0:12:00.817 --> 0:12:05.297 the original stars, and you are wrong. Don't do this. 0:12:05.457 --> 0:12:09.137 And for over a year they essentially make it impossible 0:12:09.257 --> 0:12:12.617 either really for the US government or for you know, 0:12:12.777 --> 0:12:15.737 or for major news organizations, or for anybody to say, 0:12:15.817 --> 0:12:18.177 let's have a you know this, this is kind of weird, guys, 0:12:18.217 --> 0:12:21.777 let's let's talk about this. 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I know a lot of people have 0:13:45.617 --> 0:13:50.177 moved on, but what remains to be either found out 0:13:50.377 --> 0:13:52.177 or you know, what what are the areas of this 0:13:52.257 --> 0:13:54.257 that you want to take the investigation next? 0:13:55.297 --> 0:13:57.857 Well, so, I mean, I think, yes, a lot of 0:13:57.897 --> 0:13:59.937 people have moved around. I do think it's important because 0:13:59.977 --> 0:14:02.177 you are talking about Tony Fauci, You're talking about the 0:14:02.297 --> 0:14:06.177 very you know, top scientists in the US establishment. It's 0:14:06.177 --> 0:14:10.177 important to know if there's evidence that they were real 0:14:10.337 --> 0:14:14.977 talking internally about the likelihood that this was, that this 0:14:15.017 --> 0:14:16.977 did come out of a lab, what they might have 0:14:17.017 --> 0:14:21.857 been talking about the Chinese about. And you know, there 0:14:21.897 --> 0:14:24.417 are some Republicans in Congress who are who are continuing 0:14:24.457 --> 0:14:26.697 to push this Rand Paul has not let this go. 0:14:27.537 --> 0:14:30.177 There are some uh, there are some people on the 0:14:30.217 --> 0:14:32.457 House side who are not letting this go. They're gonna 0:14:32.457 --> 0:14:35.857 be hearings in May. Peter Dazak is going to testify 0:14:35.937 --> 0:14:42.417 under oath. I just I think, look again, unless unless 0:14:42.457 --> 0:14:45.497 somebody from the Chinese side defects or comes out, and 0:14:45.537 --> 0:14:48.617 it's very hard to imagine that happening, we may never 0:14:49.337 --> 0:14:51.737 you know, we may never have a definitive answer to 0:14:51.817 --> 0:14:55.377 what happened in twenty nineteen that likely caused this virus 0:14:55.417 --> 0:14:58.097 to be you know, to to leak. 0:14:58.337 --> 0:15:02.337 I got what happened all the variants. Remember there was 0:15:02.337 --> 0:15:04.097 like a variant every six months, and got to be 0:15:04.097 --> 0:15:06.257 scared of the variants. Where are all the variants? 0:15:07.057 --> 0:15:09.857 So here here's an interesting point, right, So in twenty 0:15:09.857 --> 0:15:14.577 two the virus did very little mutating. Okay, and coronavirus 0:15:14.657 --> 0:15:16.817 is historically mutat quite fast. Well, why did you do 0:15:16.897 --> 0:15:19.497 very little mutating because it was so perfectly adapted to 0:15:19.577 --> 0:15:24.737 human beings when it came out. Why because it because 0:15:24.777 --> 0:15:27.497 it had been passaged through a lab where it had 0:15:27.537 --> 0:15:31.257 been manipulated in a lab to be very well adapted 0:15:31.257 --> 0:15:33.697 to human beings. Okay, then what happens. Then we do 0:15:33.777 --> 0:15:38.817 this massive vaccine campaign with this very very potent vaccine 0:15:38.977 --> 0:15:41.937 that's targeted directly at the spike, and guess what happens 0:15:42.017 --> 0:15:45.857 over the next eighteen months from twenty twenty two, well 0:15:45.897 --> 0:15:48.777 twenty twenty one into late twenty twenty two, there's a 0:15:48.817 --> 0:15:53.297 ton of mutations in this thing, including delta than omicron. 0:15:53.657 --> 0:15:56.497 Guess what in the last twelve months, there's been much 0:15:56.577 --> 0:16:01.057 less vaccination and there's been much less mutation. So probably 0:16:01.417 --> 0:16:04.937 the virus has done really what it always quote unquote 0:16:04.937 --> 0:16:07.577 wanted to do. It's come to a place where it's 0:16:07.937 --> 0:16:11.977 more transmissible, less via. We don't have a vaccine, you know, 0:16:11.977 --> 0:16:14.577 people aren't getting vaccinated constantly, so there's not a lot 0:16:14.577 --> 0:16:18.497 of evolutionary pressure on it to beat the vaccination. And 0:16:18.537 --> 0:16:22.297 we're done. We're where we would have been. Buck if 0:16:22.737 --> 0:16:25.697 let's say, let's go back to twenty twenty, and let's 0:16:25.697 --> 0:16:29.737 say there hadn't been hysteria, and you know, we done, 0:16:29.937 --> 0:16:32.297 we'd done some reason, you know, we tried to protect 0:16:32.297 --> 0:16:36.337 the nursing homes. We'd all live like Florida. Okay, probably 0:16:36.817 --> 0:16:40.417 we'd be back. We'd be right where we are right now. 0:16:40.657 --> 0:16:44.857 We'd have a less transmissible or less virulent, more transmissible variant, 0:16:45.017 --> 0:16:46.897 and we'd all be on with our lives just like 0:16:46.937 --> 0:16:47.337 we are. 0:16:47.937 --> 0:16:50.497 I view this whole thing now, not only through the 0:16:50.537 --> 0:16:53.137 lens of they were wrong about everything, and they were 0:16:53.137 --> 0:16:55.657 horrible while they're wrong about everything. You know, Alex, I 0:16:55.737 --> 0:16:57.977 was in Miami International Airport coming back from a weekend 0:16:57.977 --> 0:17:01.217 away with my wife. They still have mask up everywhere, 0:17:02.817 --> 0:17:07.297 you know, signs, which is I know everyone ignores it. 0:17:07.377 --> 0:17:10.337 I understand that there's this sense like it's not a 0:17:10.337 --> 0:17:13.057 big deal anymore, except I think it's a huge deal. 0:17:13.337 --> 0:17:15.657 Like May maybe I'm crazy. I sit here, I'm like, 0:17:15.697 --> 0:17:19.337 these maniacs were completely wrong about everything. I mean everything, 0:17:19.537 --> 0:17:20.057 the whole thing. 0:17:20.097 --> 0:17:20.817 The whole thing was. 0:17:21.017 --> 0:17:23.777 It was top to bottom wrong. Wrong about the school closures, 0:17:23.817 --> 0:17:27.257 wrong about lockdowns, wrong about masks, wrong about the vaccine 0:17:27.337 --> 0:17:32.057 efficacy and stopping transmission. They were wrong across the board. 0:17:32.577 --> 0:17:35.337 And I don't understand. I mean, Rand Paul, whom my 0:17:35.617 --> 0:17:37.297 radio audience knows this, I love if I could just 0:17:37.537 --> 0:17:39.537 like make someone a president, like if I just sort 0:17:39.577 --> 0:17:41.737 of go poof, like he'll never win. And I know that, 0:17:41.817 --> 0:17:43.457 so you know, you need someone like Trump who can 0:17:43.497 --> 0:17:45.697 actually fight the machine. But if I could just put 0:17:45.737 --> 0:17:47.257 someone off, as I think Rand Paul wild actually be 0:17:47.257 --> 0:17:49.417 a phenomenal president on a number of levels. He cares. 0:17:49.777 --> 0:17:51.977 Very few other people, though, seem to be focused in 0:17:52.057 --> 0:17:53.737 on this, and I sit here and I'm like, this 0:17:53.937 --> 0:17:56.537 was I feel like we failed, or rather the system 0:17:56.577 --> 0:17:59.657 failed at every level and there's no changes made whatsoever 0:17:59.737 --> 0:18:01.497 except the system is ready to do it again. Is 0:18:01.497 --> 0:18:02.577 that too pessimistic? 0:18:04.057 --> 0:18:08.177 I think? Unfortunately, that's about right. And that's why again, 0:18:08.297 --> 0:18:10.697 like I can't fight over all of it. You know, 0:18:10.977 --> 0:18:14.417 my audience underported truths they're pretty they like to read 0:18:14.457 --> 0:18:19.017 about this stuff, but I need to. My feeling is, 0:18:19.697 --> 0:18:23.937 let's at least try to get some accountability for the 0:18:24.057 --> 0:18:27.097 fact that the people who knew the most about this 0:18:27.497 --> 0:18:30.417 almost certainly lied about it in twenty twenty. If we 0:18:30.457 --> 0:18:34.017 can't forget, we're never gonna get anybody to admit that 0:18:34.057 --> 0:18:37.977 the MR ANDAs didn't really work very well. School closures again, 0:18:38.057 --> 0:18:40.857 they the only thing where will admit that they made 0:18:40.897 --> 0:18:44.897 some mistakes. I think lockdowns people on the left won't 0:18:44.937 --> 0:18:46.897 really admit that they shouldn't have locked down. But you 0:18:46.977 --> 0:18:49.417 notice no one ever talks about lockdowns as a future 0:18:49.457 --> 0:18:51.617 strategy anymore. So I think there's a little bit of 0:18:52.497 --> 0:18:58.057 a realization there. But the lab leak, maybe maybe Peter Dazac, 0:18:58.577 --> 0:19:00.817 maybe Ralph Bark, Maybe we can at least get these 0:19:00.857 --> 0:19:04.377 guys to testify under oath and admit what they knew. 0:19:04.417 --> 0:19:06.737 If we can't do that, then you're right. Then we're 0:19:06.777 --> 0:19:10.737 just sitting here waiting for the next, you know, medium 0:19:10.817 --> 0:19:13.457 strength virus to come along so that they so that 0:19:13.497 --> 0:19:15.777 the world, these all these people can play this game. 0:19:15.857 --> 0:19:18.897 Yet again, I want to ask you now, I'm gonna 0:19:18.897 --> 0:19:21.217 switch gears because you know, you were the guy on 0:19:21.257 --> 0:19:23.697 all this stuff, and some of us very much appreciated 0:19:23.697 --> 0:19:24.337 the work that you did. 0:19:24.417 --> 0:19:24.497 Then. 0:19:24.537 --> 0:19:27.697 I mean I was I was getting I think I 0:19:27.817 --> 0:19:32.577 got more rage both in person from people shouting at me, 0:19:32.777 --> 0:19:36.297 like random strangers for being unmasked and things like that, 0:19:36.337 --> 0:19:38.497 because I just utterly, I mean, unless I was going 0:19:38.537 --> 0:19:40.577 to get arrested or like barred from the premises, I 0:19:40.657 --> 0:19:42.617 just refused to do it as much as that possibly could. 0:19:44.017 --> 0:19:49.817 But also online people were absolutely sadistic maniacs about the 0:19:49.857 --> 0:19:53.337 whole thing, and I think I got more of it 0:19:53.697 --> 0:19:55.577 from them on the COVID stuff anything else. So some 0:19:55.577 --> 0:19:57.457 of us very much appreciated while that was going on 0:19:57.537 --> 0:20:00.617 that you know, you were out there taking you know, 0:20:00.657 --> 0:20:02.377 you kind of look like Leonidas at the end of 0:20:02.417 --> 0:20:05.657 three hundred, where he's just like just arrow sticking out 0:20:05.697 --> 0:20:05.937 of him. 0:20:06.977 --> 0:20:10.937 Get to my hair, I must apologize need a haircut, 0:20:11.217 --> 0:20:13.377 but but you you were, you were covered in all 0:20:13.417 --> 0:20:13.977 those arrows. 0:20:14.017 --> 0:20:16.857 I do wonder, even if it was privately, you know 0:20:16.897 --> 0:20:19.697 and quietly, did anyone ever come up to you and say, 0:20:20.937 --> 0:20:25.057 man from the left specifically, man, I was I was 0:20:25.097 --> 0:20:28.617 a horrible I was a horrible you know, d bag 0:20:29.257 --> 0:20:31.697 and you were right. No what literally, no one, not 0:20:31.737 --> 0:20:32.897 a single person. 0:20:33.217 --> 0:20:36.377 Not a single perton one person in the last two 0:20:36.457 --> 0:20:38.657 years has said you were right about the lockdown. So 0:20:38.737 --> 0:20:40.897 this is just like somebody in my town and I 0:20:40.897 --> 0:20:44.617 actually wrote about that. Uh and and and somebody I 0:20:44.697 --> 0:20:47.097 know who is sort of a journalist of some note 0:20:47.777 --> 0:20:51.337 said to me privately, uh, but this was in the 0:20:51.377 --> 0:20:54.097 context of you're wrong about the vaccines. It was that 0:20:54.297 --> 0:20:56.497