1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to Verdict Weekend Review. Ben Ferguson with you and 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: each Saturday, we are going to give you some of 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: the best moments of the Verdict podcast with center Ted 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Cruz from the past week. This week, there are three 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: points that we want to make sure that you hear 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: about that if you missed it, that's where this Weekend 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Review will come in. Number one, we're gonna be talking 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: about climate change and the new threat of one billion 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 1: people dying if we don't fix the problem. That's what 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: Democrats are now threatening you with. Also Joe Biden do 11 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: as I say, not as I do, mandating that others 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: wear masks, but he's already taken his off after he 13 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: promised he was gonna wear it, and a huge victory 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: because of Verdict listeners. That deals with the issue of 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: nine to eleven. It is the Weekend Review and it 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: starts right now. Climate change has become obviously an election 17 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: year issue, at least for the Democrats. You can see 18 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: it over the last couple of weeks. They're kind of 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: testing things, they're pushing things here. But now we're finding 20 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: out how academia deceives people about climate change. And this 21 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: is something that I think is not just disingenuous, but 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: it's really disgusting. They put out a new report that 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: has actually come out and they say that there's there's 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: a new prediction that one billion deaths will happen from 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: climate change this century, so you better get on board. 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: Researchers from Canada Australia have published this new study predicting 27 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: one billion deaths from climate change over the next hundred years, 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: citing a scientific quote consensus. 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: The author's analyze. 30 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: They say, one hundred and eighty studies on climate change 31 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: immortality covering on a one thousand ton rules. So this 32 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: is a new theory which means for every thousand tons 33 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: of fossil fuels burn, a person dies. Now this article 34 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: is published and it contends that a future person, a 35 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: future person is killed every every time humanity burns to 36 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: a thousand tons of fossil carbon. They say, based on 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: that calculation, that burning a trillion tons of fossil carbon 38 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: will cause two degrees celsius of global warming or ag W, 39 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: which in turn they say will cause roughly a billion 40 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: future premature death spread over a period of very roughly 41 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: one century. I wish they use this type of logic 42 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: when they were talking about unborn children that are killed. 43 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: But of course they'll never do that. But this might 44 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: be the most ridiculous, fear mongering article. And they say 45 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: it's a scientific consensus. 46 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 3: Now, well, look, there is an enormous problem with the 47 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: politicization of science, and particularly what it concerns climate change, 48 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 3: the dishonesty of science. I'm going to make a radical 49 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: claim right now. I predict with absolute certainty that seven 50 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: billion people alive today will die in the next one 51 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: hundred years of clilimate change. Now, mind you, they are 52 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: a little over seven billion people alive today, and it 53 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 3: is a virtual certainty that all of us will die 54 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 3: in the next one hundred years. And whether there was 55 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: climate change or not, that assertion is unquestionably true. 56 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: It just is. 57 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: Utterly disingenuous to claim it's climate change that will cause it. 58 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: Let me focus on There was an article that came 59 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 3: out on September fifth from guy named Patrick Brown. Now, 60 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: Patrick Brown is a PhD climate scientist and he is 61 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: the co director of the Climate and Energy Team at 62 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 3: the Breakthrough Institute, and he wrote an article in the 63 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: Free Press that I think is really consequential. I want 64 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: to just read from you the beginning of the article quote, 65 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: if you've been reading any news about wildfires this summer, 66 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 3: from Canada to Europe to Maui, you will surely get 67 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: the impression that there are mostly the result of climate change. 68 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: Here's the ap quote climate change keeps making wild fires 69 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 3: and smoke worse. Scientists call it the new abnormal. From 70 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 3: PBS News Hour quote wildfires driven by climate change are 71 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: on the rise. Spain must do more to prepare, experts say, 72 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: And from The New York Times, how climate changed turn 73 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: lush Hawaii into a tinder box? And from Bloomberg quote, 74 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: Maui fires show climate change's ugly reach. Now here's doctor 75 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: Brown continuing from this quote. I am a climate scientist, 76 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: and while climate change is an important factor affecting wildfires 77 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 3: over many parts of the world, it isn't close to 78 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: the only factor that deserves our sole focus. So why 79 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: does the press focus so intently on climate change? Is 80 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 3: the root cause? Perhaps for the same reasons I just 81 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: did in an an academic paper about wildfires in Nature, 82 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: one of the world's most prestigious journals. It fits a 83 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: simple storyline that rewards the person telling it. The paper 84 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 3: I just published, climate warming increases extreme daily wildfire growth 85 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: risk in California focuses exclusively on how climate change has 86 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: affected extreme wildfire behavior. I knew not to try to 87 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: quantify key aspects other than climate change in my research 88 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 3: because it would dilute the story that prestigious journals like 89 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: Nature and its rival Science want to tell. This matters 90 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: because it is critically important for scientists to be published 91 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: in high profile journals. In many ways, they are the 92 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 3: gatekeepers for career success in academia, and the editors of 93 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: these journals have made it abundantly clear, both by what 94 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 3: they publish and what they reject, that they want climate 95 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 3: papers that support certain pre approved narratives, even when those 96 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 3: narratives come at the expense of broader knowledge for society. 97 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: To put it bluntly, climate science has become less about 98 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 3: understanding the complexities of the world and more about serving 99 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: as a kind of Cassandra, urgently warning the public about 100 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 3: the dangers of climate change. However understandable this instinct may be, 101 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 3: it distorts a great deal of climate science research, misinforms 102 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 3: the public, and most importantly, makes practical solutions more difficult 103 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 3: to achieve. This is a stunning indictment of the machinery 104 00:06:54,320 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 3: and apparatus around quote unquote science today, the journals publish 105 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: quote unquote research that echoes the pre approved political orthodoxy 106 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: they want published, and if you don't echo that, they 107 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: don't publish you. And it is one of the many 108 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: really corrupt aspects of how science and climate change reporting 109 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 3: and academic work is really doing a disservice to the 110 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: American people. 111 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: When you look at not only the fact that this 112 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: is how you get the money. And I do think 113 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: it's an issue of follow the money as you just 114 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: describe it. Certainly it's an indoctrination on college campuses and 115 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: among researchers, and the cash flow is if you believe 116 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: in this, we will fund you. But when you make 117 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: these outlateist claims and then you treat them as fact, 118 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do to debate this with them. 119 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,559 Speaker 1: When you look at what they said here, they said 120 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: this is a scientific consensus, and the authors say they 121 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: analyze one hundred and eighty studies, all of them, I'm 122 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: sure were studies that were funded by radical left and 123 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: global warming activists, right, those that raise money, etc. But 124 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: when they come out and say that, you know, we're 125 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: gonna lose a billion people. You make it sound that bad. 126 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: Is there any way to overcome that with anything else 127 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: but this propaganda? And I think that's why they make 128 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: these outlangeous claims. 129 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: Well, it's why we need people in colleges and universities 130 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 3: and think tanks, in the academic world and in the 131 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 3: scientific world to reject politicized science. Let me read a 132 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: little more from doctor Brown. Doctor Brown says quote. So 133 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 3: in my recent Nature paper, which I authored with seven others, 134 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: I focused narrowly on the influence of climate change on 135 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: extreme wildfire behavior. Make no mistake that influence is very real. 136 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: But there are also other factors that can be just 137 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 3: as or more important, such as poor forest management and 138 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: the increasing number of people who start wildfires, either accidentally 139 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: or purposely. A startling fact, over eighty percent of wildfires 140 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 3: in the US are ignited by humans. I want to 141 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: repeat that sentence because the corporate media will never say it. 142 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 3: A startling fact, over eighty percent of wildfires in the 143 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 3: US are ignited by humans. Now here's what doctor Brown 144 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: continues to say. In my paper, we didn't bother to 145 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 3: study the influence of these other obviously relevant factors, did 146 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 3: I know that including them would make for a more 147 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: realistic and useful analysis. I did, but I also knew 148 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 3: that it would detract from the clean narratives centered on 149 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 3: the negative impact of climate change, and thus decrease the 150 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: odds that the paper would pass Muster with Natures editors 151 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: and reviewers. This type of framing with the influence of 152 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: climate change unrealistically considered n isolation is the norm for 153 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: high profile research papers. For example, in another recent influential 154 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 3: Nature paper, scientists calculated that the two largest climate change 155 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 3: impacts on society are deaths related to extreme heat and 156 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: damage to agriculture. However, the authors never mentioned that climate 157 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: change is not the dominant driver for either one of 158 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 3: these impacts. Heat related deaths have been declining and crop 159 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 3: yields have been increasing for decades despite climate change. To 160 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: acknowledge this would imply that the world has succeeded in 161 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 3: some areas despite climate change, which the thinking goes, would 162 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: undermine the motivation for emissions reductions. This is a narrative 163 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 3: of so called scientific inquiry scientific journals academic journals that 164 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 3: have abandoned the mission of science. Science is about examining 165 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: evidence following the scientific method beginning with a hypothesis, looking 166 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 3: to evidence to disprove that hypothesis, and determining what's happening today. 167 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 3: An enormous amount of science is simply politics covered in 168 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 3: scientific garb, and in no places that more profound than 169 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 3: in the world of climate change, where there are billions 170 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 3: of dollars connected to so called scientists telling the preferred 171 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 3: political narrative. Facts be damned. 172 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is no longer about facts, certainly an academya 173 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: where it's supposed to be about that. Now it's about 174 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: propaganda and indoctrinating people to this while they all find 175 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: their private jets to climate change events, which I still 176 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: laugh at the hypocrisy of that. Now, if you want 177 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: to hear the rest of this conversation, you can go 178 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: back and listen to the full podcast from earlier this week. 179 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: Now onto story number two, Senator, I also want to 180 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: deal with COVID. We were talking about the lies and 181 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: they seem to be coming back. Now the White House 182 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: now letting everybody know that Joe Biden is going to 183 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: start wearing a mask indoors this after Joe Biden has 184 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: come down with COVID. Even though Joe Biden has tested 185 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: negative for COVID yesterday and the day before the day 186 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: before that. 187 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 4: President Biden tested negative last night for COVID nineteen and 188 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 4: tested negative again today. He's not experiencing any symptoms as 189 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 4: far as the steps he's taking. Since the President was 190 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 4: with the First Lady yesterday. He will be masking while 191 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 4: indoors and around people in alignment with CDC guidance, and 192 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 4: as has been the practice in the past, the President 193 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,119 Speaker 4: will remove his mask when sufficiently distanced from others indoors 194 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: and while outside as well. 195 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: Now the funny part is Senator. This is said from 196 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: the punium at the White House. Moments later, the President 197 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: is on stage and ceremony. He's not the appropriate distance 198 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: of the White House, says is appropriate from other people, 199 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: and then he takes his mask off that they just 200 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: said to everybody's gonna be wearing if he's in closed 201 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: quarters with a lot of different people. And you add 202 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: that in with a DC area elementary school Montgomery County, 203 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: Maryland is now reinstating a mass mandate. And the mass 204 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: mandate isn't just for those little masks, No, No, n 205 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: ninety five masks for all their third graders because a 206 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: few kids tested positive for COVID. They send out a 207 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: letter telling parents that these masks, these IN ninety five masks. 208 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: Are going to be mandated in class. 209 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: These masks, they they have been distributed, and students and 210 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: staff and identified classes and or activities will be required 211 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: to mask while in school for at least the next 212 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: ten days, except of course, while eating and drinking, and 213 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: the mask will become optional, they claim. After the quote 214 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: outbreak has dissipated, here it is mass mandates coming back. 215 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 3: Look, this is utterly absurd. Mass mandates are wrong. And 216 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 3: for the Left, this has become a it's a combination 217 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 3: of a number of things. Number one, it's an article 218 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 3: of faith. Number two, it's a virtue signal. It shows 219 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 3: just how self righteous they think they are. You know, 220 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: as I was walking down the halls of the Capitol today, 221 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 3: one very prominent Democrat senator was walking along with his 222 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 3: N ninety five mask, and behind him was his staffer 223 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 3: wearing his N ninety five mask. And it shows virtue. 224 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 3: But number three, it's about control. And this is all 225 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: about controlling people. Whether it's mask mandates, whether it's vaccine mandates, 226 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: whether it's having the four hundred and thirty seventh booster. 227 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 3: Enough is enough is enough. This is crap and no 228 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 3: look I recognize. And by the way, a year from 229 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 3: now we are going to see the most deadly COVID 230 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 3: variant ever seen, the election variant. And before the election, 231 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 3: it's they're going to need to shut everything down because 232 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 3: they want to have mail in balloting for everyone because 233 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: they think it helps elect demots. Enough is enough is enough. 234 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: If you want to wear a damn mask, fine, but 235 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: don't be a hypocrite and don't try to force other 236 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 3: people to. And all right, listen. So many of the 237 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 3: people who listen to this podcast are conservatives, but some 238 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 3: are not. Some are open minded. Someone to hear both sides. 239 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 3: So maybe you think, all right, I'm not going to 240 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 3: trust crews. I'm not going to trust Ferguson on this. 241 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: All right. 242 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: If you don't trust me, listen to CNN Left Wing 243 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 3: CNN confronting doctor Fauci this past weekend about his false 244 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 3: claims about masks. Give a listen. 245 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 5: There is a perception out there by many how many 246 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 5: I don't know, that they don't work, and that the 247 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 5: data concludes that they didn't work in the first go round. 248 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: Respond to that on masks. Yeah, well that's not so. 249 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 6: I mean, when you're talking about at the population level, 250 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 6: that the data are less strong than knowing that if 251 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 6: you look on a situation as an individual themselves or 252 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 6: protecting them from spreading it, there's no doubt that masks work. 253 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 6: Different studies give different percentages of advantage of wearing it, 254 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 6: but there's no doubt that the weight of the studies, 255 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 6: and there have been many studies indicate the benefit of 256 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 6: wearing masks. 257 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 5: I'm going to refer to one of them. You've heard 258 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 5: about it before. I heard about it from a number 259 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 5: of radio callers. Brett Stevens in The Times talked about 260 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 5: Cochrane put that on the screen. The most rigorous and 261 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 5: comprehensive analysis of scientific studies conducted on the efficacy of 262 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 5: masks for reducing the spread of respiratory illness, including COVID nineteen, 263 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 5: was published last month. Its conclusions, said Tom Jefferson, the 264 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 5: Oxford epidemiologist who is the lead author, were unambiguous. There 265 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 5: is just no evidence that they masks make any difference, 266 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 5: he told the journalist Mayen de Maasi. 267 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,359 Speaker 2: Full stop. But wait, hold on, what about the N ninety. 268 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 5: Five masks As opposed to the lower quality surgical or 269 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 5: cloth masks. 270 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: Makes no difference, none of it. 271 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 5: He said, Well, what about the studies that initially persuaded 272 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 5: policymakers to impose mass mandates? They were convinced by non 273 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 5: randomized studies, flawed observational studies. How do we get beyond 274 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 5: that finding of that particular review. 275 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 6: Yeah, but there are other studies, Michael, that show at 276 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 6: an individual level, for individual, when you're talking about the 277 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 6: effect on the epidemic or the pandemic as a whole, 278 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 6: the data are less strong. But when you talk about 279 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 6: as an individual basis of someone protecting themselves or protecting 280 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 6: themselves from spreading it to others, there's no doubt that 281 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 6: there are many studies that show that there is an advantage. 282 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 6: When you took at the broad population level, like the 283 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 6: Cockman study, the data are less firm with regard to 284 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 6: the effect on the overall pandemic, But we're. 285 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: Not talking about that. 286 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 6: We're talking about an individual's effect on their own safety. 287 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 6: That's a bit different than the broad population level. 288 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you hear there and even he's being questioned 289 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: fauci by a guy who's not conservative at CNN and 290 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: it's for kind and she's like, well, hold on, I'll 291 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: read for you what they say. And yet Fauci is 292 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: still siteing their center saying no, no, these things work. 293 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 2: You're somehow still wrong. 294 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 3: Well, look two things. Number one, Fauci himself knows what 295 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 3: he's saying is wrong. And if you go back to 296 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 3: the beginning of COVID February fifth, twenty twenty, Sylvia Burwell, 297 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 3: who was the Secretary of Health and Human Services for 298 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 3: three years under Barack Obama, emailed Fauci and asks asks 299 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 3: if she should wear a mask. And by the way, 300 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: his whole defense was well individually, it makes sense, just 301 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 3: not for society. Here's what Fauci wrote on February fifth 302 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty. Quote. Masks are not are really for 303 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 3: infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people 304 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 3: who are not infected, rather than protecting uninfected people from 305 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 3: acquiring infection. Fauci continues, the typical mask you buying the 306 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 3: drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, 307 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 3: which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, 308 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 3: provide some slight benefit to keep out gross droplets. If 309 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 3: someone costs or sneezes on you, and he added, quote, 310 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly 311 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: since you are going to a very low risk location. 312 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 3: That's what he said in twenty twenty. Then he decided 313 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 3: that it was politically beneficial to mandate that everyone had 314 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 3: to wear a mask. And yet now look the second 315 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 3: point I'd make, the fact that CNN is turning on 316 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 3: this in the height of the pandemic. The words that 317 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 3: you just played from CNN, they would not utter. There 318 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 3: was no brooking descent from whatever Saint Fauci said. Whatever 319 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: the mandate was, mask today, not mask tomorrow, mass the 320 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 3: next day, you couldn't disagree. The fact that even CNN 321 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 3: is turning, I think is significant. I think if the 322 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 3: Biden administration tries another round of shutdown and mask mandates, 323 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 3: I think a lot of the country is going to 324 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 3: say no, and hell no. I'll tell you the state 325 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 3: of Texas has zero interest in shutting down. 326 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 5: And I. 327 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: Think you're going to see resistance not just in Texas 328 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 3: but all over the country. 329 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you're right. 330 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: And the other thing that worries many people is this 331 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: the president and this idea that we could go back 332 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: into some sort of government shutdown There was that awkward 333 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: interview that he did with Kamala Harris, far away from 334 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: the social distancing back in the early days of COVID 335 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: and his administration, sitting next to you know, far away 336 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,239 Speaker 1: from David Muiror's interviewing them in a weird triangle, and 337 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: he said he would have no problem if the scientist 338 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: told him to shut down our entire economy. 339 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 7: I would be prepared to do what ever it takes 340 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 7: to save lives, because we cannot get the country moving 341 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 7: until we control the virus. That is the fundamental flaw 342 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 7: of this administration thinking to begin with. In order to 343 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 7: keep the country running and moving and the economy growing 344 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 7: and people employed, you have to fix the virus. 345 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: You have to deal with the virus. 346 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: So if the scientists say shut it down. 347 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 2: I would shut it down. 348 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 7: I would listen to the scientist. 349 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: I mean, that's apparently still on the table. And if 350 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: they bring the mass back where I mean, how far 351 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: away are we from having another fall where they start 352 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: shutting things down? 353 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: And what should the American people do? 354 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 3: Look, the Democrats want to shut it down. They want 355 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 3: to impose mandates. And I got to say, one of 356 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 3: the biggest lies of that exchange is I would listen 357 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 3: to the scientists. The only scientists that he listens to 358 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: are the ones who say what he wants to hear. 359 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 3: You know, the very last podcast we did, we did 360 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 3: a two part episode with an interview with doctor Phil 361 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 3: and one of the interesting things look. Doctor Phil has 362 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: been the number one ranked daytime TV host for a decade, 363 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 3: and he talked about how the data are that the 364 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 3: school shutdowns from COVID cost many, many more lives than 365 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 3: the virus would have cost. Another ords. Listen to the scientists. 366 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 3: The Democrats aren't listening to the scientists because if they did, 367 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 3: they'd look at the harm from the shutdowns. They look 368 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: at the harm for businesses shut down. They'd look at 369 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 3: the harm from churches shutdown. They'd look at the harm 370 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: from school shut down, the kids who face learning loss 371 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 3: for the rest of their life. They look at the 372 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 3: mental health numbers that have gone up. They'd look at 373 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 3: the kids who didn't go to school and didn't have 374 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 3: physical wellness checks, didn't have mental health checks, didn't have 375 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 3: daily food because for low income kids, for many of them, 376 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 3: their principal source of food is at school. They didn't 377 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 3: have the counselors who could observe whether kids are subject 378 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 3: to physical abuse or sexual abuse, because when they shut 379 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 3: down schools, they sent them at home and the data. 380 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 3: What doctor Phil told us that if you didn't listen 381 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 3: to those two podcasts, you got to go back and 382 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 3: listen to them. But what doctor Phil said on this 383 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 3: podcast was that the data show that many, many more 384 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 3: lives were lost because of the shutdowns. But the Democrats 385 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,239 Speaker 3: don't want to listen to the scientists. They have a 386 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 3: political agenda, so they'll cherry pick whatever scientists repeat the 387 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 3: politically favored outcome that support the result they want. 388 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: Anyway, Centaur, last question for you, what do you think 389 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: states should be doing? Because Texas has banned the mass 390 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: mandate since COVID restrictions are being imposed in other states. 391 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: There was a Newsweek headline, this is a ban on 392 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen restrictions and imposed a mandate to wear face 393 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: mask in public spaces when to affect in Texas after 394 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: a number of institutions across the US reinstaid the policy 395 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: do to a rise in new infections fueled by the 396 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: emergence of two. 397 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 2: New variants of the virus. Now that's the GISTs of this. 398 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: But Texas is saying, hey, we're going to stand up 399 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: to this type of insanity. Do other people need to 400 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: be calling their legislators and asking for the same thing. 401 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 3: Look, absolutely yes, Listen. States need to embrace common sense. 402 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 3: States need to defend liberty. States need to defend individual choice. 403 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 3: If someone wants to wear a mask, knock yourself out. 404 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 3: You can still You know, I flew from Texas to 405 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 3: DC today there were still a hand full of people 406 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: in the airport that choose to wear a mask. Okay, 407 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 3: if you want to wear a mask, that's fine, you 408 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 3: got an individual choice. You can wear a ski mask 409 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 3: if you want. That's your choice. But government shouldn't be 410 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: forcing people to wear a mask. Airlines shouldn't be forcing 411 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 3: people to make wear a mask, airport shouldn't be forcing 412 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 3: people to wear a mask. Restaurants shouldn't be forcing people 413 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 3: to wear a mask. Nobody should be forcing anyone to 414 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 3: wear a mask. And even more so, governors and states 415 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 3: need to say not just no, but hell no to 416 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 3: the shutdowns. We will look back in the future. Years 417 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 3: in the future, we will look back and say, what 418 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: in the hell did America do? Shutting much of the 419 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 3: country down for a year or more. Many parts of 420 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: the country, almost all Democrat parts of the country, shut 421 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 3: businesses down, shut churches down, shut schools down, many schools. 422 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 3: Tens of millions of kids were out of school for 423 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 3: over a year, and the consequence was cataclysmic. It is, 424 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 3: without exaggeration, the most catastrophic public policy decision of our lifetimes. 425 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 3: And so states need to say we're not going down 426 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 3: that road again. No, we're not gonna do it. Look, 427 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 3: you know the school shutdowns were bad. When Randy Weinngarten, 428 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 3: the head of one of the big teachers unions, is 429 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 3: now suddenly claiming I wasn't for school shutdowns, despite the 430 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 3: fact that she fought relentlessly for school shutdowns and caused 431 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 3: Democratic politicians to jump on a string when she demanded it. 432 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 3: Now even she's running away from it. States need to 433 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: stand up and say we're not shutting anything down. Look, 434 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 3: if there's another public health crisis, and at some point 435 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 3: there will be, protect people who are vulnerable, work to 436 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 3: provide treatment options, give people advice on how to keep safe, 437 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 3: but respect their individual liberty, and don't engage in arbitrary 438 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 3: shutdowns and mandates. The mandates are wrong say no to 439 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 3: the mandates as before. 440 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: If you want to hear the rest of this conversation 441 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: on this time, you can go back and download the 442 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: podcasts from early this week to hear the entire thing. 443 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: I want to get back to the big story number 444 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: three of the week. You may have missed. The listeners 445 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: did an amazing job of sharing. It was one of 446 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: the biggest podcasts I think we've ever done together, and 447 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: it dealt with the issue of nine to eleven. You 448 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: issued a statement afterwards and that also went viral, and 449 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: you have a new statement and update I want you 450 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: to tell you about tonight. This goes back to that 451 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: letter that the doj or I should say, the d 452 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: sent out to families victims of nine to eleven, and 453 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: they were letting them know and a heads up that 454 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: we were probably going to do a plea deal with 455 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: Khalead shak Muhammad, and I think it was three or 456 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: four other terrorists at Guantanamo Bay Khalead shake Mohammad. We 457 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: went through the history of who he is the mastermind 458 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: of nine to eleven, but also killed many other people 459 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: and many other attacks around the world, innocent children, women, 460 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: et cetera. And they were going to do a deal 461 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: to spare him the death penalty so we could get 462 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: him out of Gitmo and then close down Getmo. That's 463 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: the ultimate goal for the DoD and the Biden administration. 464 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: We now have an update because of the outrage of 465 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: so many listeners of this show and others and that 466 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: story going viral. 467 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: It looks like they're not going to get away with it. 468 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 3: That's exactly right, and I would to take a minute 469 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 3: to thank the listeners a verdict because I actually think 470 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 3: you guys made a real difference in something that matters 471 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,719 Speaker 3: enormously in this country, which is as we discussed on 472 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 3: this podcast, the Biden administration sent out letters to the 473 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 3: families of the victims who were murdered on September eleventh 474 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 3: and said, hey, we're contemplating a plea deal where Khaled 475 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 3: Shigmuhammad and other conspirators behind the mass murder on September 476 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 3: eleventh would be spared the death penalty. They'd give it 477 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 3: life in prison. They would be exempted from capital punishment. 478 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 3: Despite the fact that they committed an active war, despite 479 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 3: the fact that they killed nearly three thousand people, We'd 480 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 3: spare them. And you know, when they sent this letter. 481 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 3: It was initially getting almost no press coverage. No one 482 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 3: was covering it, no one was discussing it. ABC didn't 483 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 3: discuss it at the six o'clock news, NBC didn't discuss 484 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 3: at CBS didn't discuss at CNN didn't discuss at MSNBC 485 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 3: didn't discuss it. The entire corporate media ignored it. You 486 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 3: and I were so outraged by it that we sat 487 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 3: down to do our pod and we actually had three topics. 488 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 3: This was topic number one. We had two other topics, 489 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 3: and we ended up deciding, you know what, the entire 490 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: podcast is going to focus on this issue on September eleventh, 491 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 3: on the horrific terrorist attack that came after America, on 492 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 3: what it meant, and on the outrage listen the Biden 493 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 3: administration and we talked about in that podcast. And by 494 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 3: the way, you got to go back and listen to 495 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,479 Speaker 3: that podcast. You can go back and find we did 496 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 3: a full podcast on this September eleventh effort of the 497 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 3: Biden administration to spare the mastermind of September eleventh, but 498 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 3: I believe this is part and parcel of the Biden 499 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 3: administration's effort to essentially abolish the federal death penalty, and 500 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 3: before Joe Biden leaves the White House, I think he 501 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: is going to pardon or commute the sentences of every 502 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 3: single federal death penalty prisoner, including the racist lunatic who 503 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 3: murdered nine African Americans at the Mother Emmanuel Church in Charleston, 504 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 3: South Carolina, including multiple vicious terrorists and murderers. But as 505 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 3: a result of this podcast, we focused the entire thirty 506 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 3: minutes of the pod on the facts behind it, and 507 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: we asked you. We said, if you're outraged, pick up 508 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 3: the phone, call your house member, call your senator, call 509 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: the White House, and say do not spare the September 510 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 3: eleventh mastermind. Well, we were about the only people shining 511 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: a light on this, and it ended up people got 512 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: worked up, which is good. They should have been worked up. 513 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: We were worked up. It was wrong, it was outrageous, 514 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 3: it was astonishing what they're doing. Well, I got to say. 515 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,719 Speaker 3: On Wednesday, the administration came out and announce that it 516 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 3: was not going to accept the Plea deal. And here's 517 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: what prosecutors said in the filing quote. The Administration declined 518 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 3: to declines to accept the terms of the proposed joint 519 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 3: Policy principles offered by the accused of the Military Commission's case, 520 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 3: United States versus Mohammed at all. And so I think 521 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 3: that is a real victory verdict listeners ought to feel 522 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 3: proud of. 523 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: Now. 524 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 3: To be clear, the Biden administration gave themselves some wiggle 525 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: rooms so they may go back and take the deal, 526 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 3: but they at least filed a court pleading saying they're 527 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: rejecting the deal. That's a major victory. It was only 528 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 3: the political pressure that came, and that political pressure was 529 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 3: generated in very significant respect by the listeners of this podcast. 530 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,479 Speaker 3: But my view is the bastards that attacked America, that 531 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 3: murdered nearly three thousand Americans, they ought to be prosecuted. 532 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 3: They ought to be sentenced to death, and they ought 533 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 3: to be executed because I think it's a matter of 534 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: justice that people that committed horrific terrorist attacks on America 535 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 3: they should face the ultimate punishment. But the only way 536 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 3: we'll be sure that happens is if the American people 537 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 3: hold this administration to account and if they're too embarrassed 538 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 3: and ashamed to let these guys off. 539 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: My next question for you is this, is this just 540 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: a pause and delay strategy, Senator, And do we have 541 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: to keep monitoring them or does this put this to bed, 542 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: especially for the victims and the families that were affected 543 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: by nine to eleven. They got these these you know, 544 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: I would say horrific letters to the Department of Defense 545 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: saying that they may spare these guys' lives after these 546 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: men and did all that they did to kill their 547 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: family members. 548 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 3: Well, we don't know entirely. What we know is that 549 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 3: the prisoners not only wanted to be spared the death penalty, 550 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 3: but they wanted the Department of Defense to accept a 551 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 3: guarantee that they would not serve their sentences in solitary 552 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 3: confinement and that would allow them to eat and pray 553 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 3: with other prisoners in Guantanamo Bay. They also wanted a 554 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 3: civilian run program to treat brain disorders, to treat sleep disorders, 555 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 3: and to treat gastro intestinal damage that they say the 556 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 3: CIA caused during investigations. That's the demand the Biden administration 557 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 3: turned down. There is a tiny bit of wiggle room 558 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 3: that they could come back and say, Okay, we're not 559 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 3: going to give you those concessions, but we are going 560 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 3: to take the death penalty off the table. And one 561 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 3: of the key reasons I think there are two things 562 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 3: going on in the Biden administration. One, these left wing 563 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 3: radicals or ideologically opposed the death penalty. They don't want 564 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 3: anyone executed. Ever, they want to essentially repeal the federal 565 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 3: death penalty. Now. They don't want to go through the 566 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 3: constitutional process of supporting legislation and Congress trying to get 567 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 3: the votes and repealing it as a matter of law. 568 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 3: They just want to say, we the executive branch are 569 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 3: going to refuse to enforce the death penalty and in fact, 570 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 3: are going to commute or pardon anyone convicted of the 571 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 3: most egregious offenses in the country. I think a second objective, 572 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 3: and again we talked about this at length on the 573 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 3: prior pod on this topic, is they want to close 574 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 3: Guantanamo and listen. When it comes to foreign policy, the 575 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 3: Biden administration is a press release administration. In other words, 576 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 3: they don't follow coherent foreign policy objectives. They don't have 577 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 3: a strategic vision for defending this nation. Instead, they want 578 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 3: a simple press release that lets them at their moral virtue. 579 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 3: So in Afghanistan, you know, you ask yourself, why was 580 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 3: the surrender to the Taliban the withdrawal from Afghanistan so 581 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 3: utterly incompetent such a disaster. A big part of the 582 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 3: reason is the Biden White House viewed as hey, we 583 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 3: want to be out of there by September eleventh, because 584 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 3: then we can show how virtuous we are that we 585 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 3: withdrew from the war by September eleventh. The problem is 586 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 3: when the military said, Okay, if we leave that early, 587 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 3: we need sufficient troops to maintain Bogram Air Force Base 588 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 3: and also maintain Kabbal Airport, and the Biden White House said, nope, nope, 589 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 3: we don't care. Pull them out abandoned Bogram Air Force Base. 590 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 3: We don't need a secure airfield. We haven't evacuated anyone. 591 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 3: We haven't evacuated Americans, we haven't evacuated the Afghans who 592 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 3: assisted us. But we have a press release to issue, 593 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 3: So ignore the national security imperatives. Let's issue our press release. 594 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 3: I think in the case of GETMO, their objective is 595 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 3: the same. They want to press release, say we are 596 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 3: closing GITTMO. In order to do that, they've got to 597 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 3: remove the most dangerous terrorists from GITTMO. In order to 598 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 3: do that, they have to send them to prisons in 599 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 3: the continental United States, and in order to do that, 600 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 3: they either have to get a conviction or get a 601 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 3: plea deal. And so I think part of the reason 602 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 3: they want the plea deal is to shut Gitmo because 603 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 3: they get a good press release from it. But I 604 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 3: think the listeners of Verdicts and millions of Americans stood 605 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 3: up and said no and hell no. 606 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with senter 607 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you don't forget to deal 608 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: with my podcast, and you can listen to my podcast 609 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: every other day you're not listening to Verdict or each 610 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: day when you listen to Verdict. Afterwards, I'd love to 611 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: have you as a listener to again, Ben Ferguson Podcasts, 612 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: and we will see you back here on Monday morning.