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Speaker 1: Hi there, Welcome to a very special episode of Thinking Sideways.

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Speaker 1: and as I said, it's a very special episode. It's

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Speaker 1: not one of those very special episodes where say Devon

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Speaker 1: discovers that she has dyslexia, or Joe finds out, he

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Speaker 1: has as No, it's not special in that sense, but

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Speaker 1: it's special in the sense that we have decided to

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Speaker 1: come out of retirements just this one time to address

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Speaker 1: some of the insane rumors on the internet and in

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Speaker 1: the tabloids. I'm sure you've all heard them. We're here

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Speaker 1: to clear the air and set the record straight, all right,

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Speaker 1: So let's get rolling. And by the way, of course,

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Speaker 1: I am Joe and I'm Steve, and of course we

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Speaker 1: are talking about a story that you've probably all seen

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Speaker 1: about a conspiracy involving us. Manly Steve, who's sitting across

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Speaker 1: the table from me, was killed in a car wreck

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Speaker 1: and replaced by a double who looks and sounds just

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Speaker 1: like Steve. So thinking sideways, swapped in a new me

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Speaker 1: and continued honest if nothing happened for a year, and

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Speaker 1: then discreetly wound down the podcast. Why would they do

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Speaker 1: this or why would we do this? Well, I think

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Speaker 1: it's because we were making a lot of money off advertising,

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Speaker 1: and Joe and devon us I knew that if there

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Speaker 1: was no Steve Steve sitting across from me, that they'd

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Speaker 1: lose like their listeners, yeah, and all of our revenue. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but then the stories started to appear in the tabloids.

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Speaker 1: So we that is team Sideways since which way the

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Speaker 1: wind was blowing, and decided to stick a fork in

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Speaker 1: it before we got well and truly busted for our fraud.

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Speaker 1: So this is the basic narrative that we've all heard.

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Speaker 1: You guys are all familiar with. It's you know, in

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Speaker 1: all the tabloids on thousands of websites. But is it true?

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Speaker 1: Well no, uh, And so we have come out of

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Speaker 1: hiding to give this ludicrous story the SmackDown is so

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Speaker 1: richly deserves. So let's go back to the beginning here.

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Speaker 1: This conspiracy theory popped out first in about March when

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Speaker 1: Ready user me Caru that's m why ka e R

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Speaker 1: you put up a post about it. He was a

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Speaker 1: longtime listener to the podcast, and he said that he'd

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Speaker 1: noticed some odd things about Steve in recent months, such

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Speaker 1: as what well. He said that Steve was sounding subtly

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Speaker 1: different in the last six months or so the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, do you know, I just

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Speaker 1: wasn't going through a second puberty or something. You don't

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Speaker 1: need to convince me. I mean people go through puberoty

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Speaker 1: all the time, all the time. Yeah, but this is

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Speaker 1: what the tinfoil hacked crowd is saying. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: also me. Caru pointed out some other things, like the

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Speaker 1: character of the story Steve covered had changed. For example,

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Speaker 1: he devoted an entire episode to some very obscure South

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Speaker 1: you would have told l S big foot of I've

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Speaker 1: always loved a big foot. Plus plus I forget Steve

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Speaker 1: does love diversity. It is true. Well, he did some

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Speaker 1: more digging and found some more air quotes. Evidence. For example,

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Speaker 1: of photos of Steve published after summer two thousand and

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Speaker 1: seventeen appeared to be out of date and probably actually

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Speaker 1: predate his demise. For example, there's a picture on the

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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways fa Facebook page dated May two thousand and seventeen,

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Speaker 1: and then another photo appeared on Twitter in early two

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Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. In the two pictures, Steve's hair is the

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Speaker 1: same length. Shouldn't it have been longer in two thousand eighteen? Point?

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Speaker 1: convincess it's okay. All the Reddit users got into the game.

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Speaker 1: You history seven seven seven listened to every episode of

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Speaker 1: the podcast backwards, and they found that in the Lake

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Speaker 1: City Quiet Hills EPISO, so you can hear a ghostly

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Speaker 1: word or ghostly phrase, Steve has been snuffed out like

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Speaker 1: a lucky button, among other things. What it's crazy, I mean,

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Speaker 1: about they're so comfortable. Yeah, I know it's but I

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Speaker 1: don't know why they would be backwards in the podcast

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Speaker 1: subliminal advertising. I have to be totally honest with you guys.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea how to listen to a podcast backwards,

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Speaker 1: I mean, neither to fluence. Yeah, and listening to our

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Speaker 1: entire catalog backwards, Oh my god, that that guy must

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Speaker 1: have brain. Yeah. So then finally, somebody who had deleted

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Speaker 1: their user profile so you know, I don't know who

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Speaker 1: what their user name is, posted that Steve had been

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Speaker 1: involved in a fatal car crash on August eleven, two

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Speaker 1: thousand seventeen. He was extremely light on details, but claim

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Speaker 1: and etcetera. As anybody seeing any of this evidence. No,

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Speaker 1: but the general consensus on Reddit is is why would

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Speaker 1: this user lie on the internet? In general? Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: in this case, I questioned his credibility. Okay, Well, for

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Speaker 1: one thing, I mean, to me, the idea that Steve

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Speaker 1: had to be moving really fast to roll seven times.

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Speaker 1: And Steve was not a fast or reckless driver, is

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Speaker 1: amm Yeah, Steve is not a fast driver. Yeah. I'm

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Speaker 1: is there any more evidence to back this clean up? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I do remember that. Yeah, you know, I just hearded

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Speaker 1: little athletes foot that day and the aarramund we were

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Speaker 1: beards beard an obscured part of his face, which is

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Speaker 1: the sort of thing that an impostor might do if

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Speaker 1: Steve for the automatical look. I don't make as much

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Speaker 1: it up in the rest of history that we all know. Yea,

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Speaker 1: None of it's true. None of it's true. Yeah. There

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Speaker 1: are also some other variations on this story, um alternative theories.

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Speaker 1: on another hypothesis, which is as Steve staged a car crash,

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Speaker 1: faked his death, and want to live in a foreign country.

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Speaker 1: What foreign country? Steve doesn't speak any foreign language. I

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Speaker 1: of course point guards. And also, you know, if Steve

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Speaker 1: I know him, he would forget himself and post something

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Speaker 1: Another theory that I have also heard is that Devin

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, it's as hard as you think. No,

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Speaker 1: it's actually super easy to put an add on Craig. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know, not that that's got anything to do

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Speaker 1: I mean it's one thing that you can find something

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Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta admit if I'm Steve, I sure

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Speaker 1: he'll have his exact voice. No, I I mean I

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Speaker 1: know you just you sound exactly like Steve. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean like Steve. Yeah, yeah, Steve, the original Steve. Do

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Speaker 1: you have to smoke in here? Jail? Seriously? Got oh

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Speaker 1: why did you do that? Just a little more, guys,

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Speaker 1: if Steve was dead, would he be able to feel pain? Huh?

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Speaker 1: It's a good point, and that did hurt a lot. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: the story is complete. B s Yeah, yeah, yeah it is.

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Speaker 1: And it's just another one of these situations. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's similarly to the Boston bomber or we've seen this

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Speaker 1: on Reddit so many times. You guys think you know

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Speaker 1: what you're saying, but you don't. You're just a group

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Speaker 1: of idiots. And I love you, but you're a group

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Speaker 1: of idiots who just have no idea what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: So just stop talking forever. Well, yeah, because I'm Steve, Steve,

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Speaker 1: about how awesome we are. You don't stop talking about that.

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Speaker 1: You know, our website is still up. It's Thinking Sideways

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Speaker 1: The email is still active Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail

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Speaker 1: email if you have any proof that Steve died in

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