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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Everyone welcome. We have the amazing Tamara

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Speaker 1: Toney joining us. She plays one of Charlotte's power lesbians,

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Speaker 1: and you will know her from Law and Order Special

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Speaker 1: Victims Unit. She played the medical examiner and she did

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Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty episodes. Wow. She's also been on Broadway.

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Speaker 1: She's a director, actor, an incredible person. Such a joy

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Speaker 1: to have you. How are you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm fantastic and thank you for having me? And yes, pleasure.

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Speaker 2: I love that episode and I just love saying power lesbian.

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Speaker 1: I know right, It's fun, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's fun.

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Speaker 1: It gives you a whole sense of like why Charlotte

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Speaker 1: was interested in trying to pretend to be one?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: Yes, still feels that way today. I love your hair.

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Speaker 1: Can I just say thank you?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Incredible.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. It's its natural state color and curl.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just happy that I put away the die

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Speaker 3: bottles and going on naturrel.

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Speaker 1: I dream of that.

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Speaker 2: Someday.

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Speaker 1: Someday I will do it as well. Are you still

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Speaker 1: playing that same character on all of those SUV and whatnot?

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Speaker 1: Law and Order.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. I haven't done Law and Order

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Speaker 3: for a few years now. A couple of years now,

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Speaker 3: I did twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Seasons unbelievable, I mean as the same character, correct.

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Speaker 2: As the same character.

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Speaker 3: But however the past two years I did pop over

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Speaker 3: into Chris Maloney's version of SBU Organized Crime as Melinda

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Speaker 3: Warner with my natural hair color.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's amazing. I mean, how wonderful and rare and

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Speaker 1: what a joy that you've gotten to span all of

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Speaker 3: Of Absolutely, I mean, and it's not unlike your show

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Speaker 3: in that it's the gift that keeps on giving, and

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Speaker 3: I am very very grateful for that.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Absolutely, I love that. I love the You're kind

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Speaker 1: of just the quintessential New York actor, where you know,

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Speaker 1: you've had these incredible opportunities on these incredibly New York shows.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And the beauty of being in New York also

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Speaker 3: is while I was doing Law and Order as THEU,

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Speaker 1: Incredible wow. I mean, it's just a that's just like

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Speaker 2: It is. It is it's a pinch yourself moment, you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do know, I absolutely know. And that's one

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Speaker 1: doing our show in New York. Not only is New

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, come on, it's New York City. It's

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Speaker 3: Come for theater, and you know, theater just doesn't afford

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Speaker 1: What do you remember before we actually recap the episode,

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Speaker 1: Well, because it was early days. It was early day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, it was incredible.

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Speaker 1: I had forgotten that part. I remember the episode for

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Speaker 1: for a few obviously very odd reasons. One is that

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Speaker 2: I mean, are we allowed to quote what you can?

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Speaker 3: Because if the social climate wasn't right at that time,

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Speaker 3: And let's not let's not forget that Big is incredibly

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know, for Carrie, it was what she needed

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Speaker 1: Right, Definitely, not definitely not so. I did not give

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Speaker 2: love the conversation about what is cheating?

437
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I remember about it. I think it's a

438
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 1: fantastically written scene. I loved every bit of it. I

439
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 1: love everyone's point of view. But the thing that I

440
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: remember about and as an actor, this is also John

441
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: David Coles making his mark. It's a very scene. We're

442
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: at a flea market, We're looking at things we were

443
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 1: always trying to be realistic, which is sometimes really hard

444
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: as an actor. Then we sit down on the bench

445
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: and have the more in depth conversation that's begun as

446
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,919
Speaker 1: we're looking at elements of the flea market, and he

447
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 1: is able to shoot that conversation on the bench, which

448
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 1: is not easy. But the hardest part was the flea

449
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: market part, because I remember it was this very elaborate

450
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: dance where you know, different ones of us would move

451
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: forward at different times, and Alan Culture remembers kind of

452
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,719
Speaker 1: starting this trend with us of like find the lens,

453
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: which is hard when there's four of you and then

454
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 1: extras right very mixed, and you're having to like, oh, yeah,

455
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: I have to move over here so that I'm ready

456
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 1: to lean my head forward when my line is ready,

457
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: and not slow down, right because Michael Patrick never wanted

458
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,959
Speaker 1: you to slow down because it kills the comedy, right.

459
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 1: I remember that being like, oh can we do it?

460
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: You know, what I'm saying, Like, when I look back,

461
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, we're doing it. We're doing it, We're

462
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: doing it, you know. But it was David Cole is

463
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: really kind of upping the game of how to block

464
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: those scenes so that it's not boring.

465
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 2: You know.

466
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 3: And it's a dance. I mean, it's choreography right at

467
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 3: the end of the day, right.

468
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: Yes, And so I love. Then they sit down on

469
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: the bench and then everyone has an excellent point to make,

470
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: which is that cheating is a very subjective thing, and

471
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: of course Samantha, Samantha. Everyone keeps reminding Samantha, like, well,

472
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: you think the cheating is fine because you cheat, And

473
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: she can't really argue with that, which is interesting.

474
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: She doesn't say a word. She she just SIPs her

475
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 2: her lemonade or.

476
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: She rips her glasses off. At one point says something

477
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: which also I was interested because Carrie and Samantha keep

478
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: their sunglasses on, and Brandon and I don't have her

479
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 1: sunglass on. But I think it's because the sun is

480
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: behind our head and they couldn't open their eyes looking

481
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 1: at us, you know, those days you're just like I

482
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: can't open my eyes exactly. And then when she has

483
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: some important line and she them off, you know, because

484
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: they're large, like glamorous sunglasses, and I remember all of

485
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: that a lot. But so we sit down and Samantha says,

486
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: men cheat the same reason why dogs lick their balls,

487
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: because they can. It's part of their biology, which you know,

488
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: I think that people do, still kind of feel and

489
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: I just feel like that is like such a cop out.

490
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: I agree, wouldn't that be true for women too? Like

491
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: why can't women cheat?

492
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: Well? And of course women do, of course.

493
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's such a weird, like outmoded kind of

494
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: a thing to say. I feel like, I mean, everyone

495
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 1: can cheat, and some people choose to and some people don't.

496
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: But there's not really an excuse to say that.

497
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: But also the line was funny.

498
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: It was funny, of course, the line was no good point,

499
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: good point, good point, good point, good point. And then

500
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: Carrie points out the women cheat too, of course, like

501
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: we're saying and that it's different because we aren't driven

502
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: by testosterone. But I mean, testosterone to me is like

503
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: a very lame reason to cheat. I just feel like,

504
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: do you have a brain. Do you have a brain.

505
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: I think the answer is yes. Let's use the brain.

506
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 3: You know, in a perfect world that would be fantastic,

507
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 3: so so true, so true.

508
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: And then so we all have our different you know,

509
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: the viewpoints on the cheating. Of course, Charlotte is like, no,

510
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's not okay, which I agree it's not okay,

511
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: but I mean life is complicated, of course. And then

512
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 1: Carrie says, someone's definition of what constitutes cheating is in

513
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: direct proportion to how much they themselves want to cheat,

514
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: which is pretty funny, yes, and very relevant I think

515
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: to the Big conversation, because that's that's kind of part

516
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: of her struggle with Big. You know, there was the

517
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: scene in the first season where he tells her he

518
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: has a work thing and then she sees him out

519
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: to dinner with a woman after she's spent like eight

520
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: days at home with him, which to me, I would

521
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: just I would just be done, I think. I mean,

522
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 1: I don't really know, I guess, but you know what

523
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I mean, that seems a struggle. That seems

524
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: a struggle to me. That's part of why I didn't

525
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: like Big in the beginning. But it's okay, I'm working

526
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: through it. Then we go back to Carrie's apartment and

527
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: she's sitting writing and like a torn T shirt and

528
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: or underwear, Like it's so quintessential. I feel like this

529
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: is the phase of the show where we're really solidifying

530
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: certain kind of elements of what will be known as

531
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: iconic in the show. We don't really know that at

532
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: the time, of course, but like you know, we're I think,

533
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: feeling bolder about our choices. You know, she's sitting there,

534
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: she's not glamorous, but she's also not totally clothed. It's

535
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: very intimate. It's her thoughts, you know. I just there's

536
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: so many things that I love about it. So she's

537
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: sitting there writing and she's wondering, was Samantha right, is

538
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: cheating like the proverbial tree in the forest? Oh? This

539
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: is so good that that it doesn't exist if there's

540
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: no one around to catch you. Is it a gravity

541
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: free world of anything goes? And what constitutes cheating? Really

542
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: good questions, yes, and really hard to answer. Even still

543
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: absolutely I agree. What do you think I mean, does

544
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: it matter if no one catches you? I think it matters.

545
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,959
Speaker 2: Well, I think it matters if you are someone with

546
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: any kind of conscience.

547
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, that doesn't mean you make that doesn't

548
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 3: mean you won't do it, but real.

549
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: But you'll feel bad. It'll be an issue for you.

550
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: You'll carry it. I mean, you'll.

551
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: Carry it, you know, whether you get caught or not,

552
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: whether you get caught or not. Absolutely I agree with one.

553
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: So then we see Samantha. She goes to the gym.

554
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: She has this kind of adorable thing with this big

555
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: beefy guy. Oh my gosh.

556
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: Well he was the trainer, right, he was the trainer, and.

557
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: She was training with the trainer and she gets him

558
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: to train her, and it's kind of very h you know,

559
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: sexually laiden at the gym. And then more happens later,

560
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: and it just made me laugh because man, I relate

561
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: to all that stuff. Don't get me started. They were

562
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,239
Speaker 1: back with me in the galleries the next morning, and

563
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: you guys come to get the painting, which is adorable,

564
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: and I find out that you're no longer a couple,

565
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: but you're good friends, which I really like. And this

566
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: is so true when you look at gay women, I think.

567
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: And gay men too.

568
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: Gay man two, that's right, Yeah, I love that.

569
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and it may not be always the case, right,

570
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: but certainly I have friends who have remained friends with

571
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: their exes and good friends with their almost members.

572
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I love that so much, And what a

573
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: perfect world that would be if we could all be

574
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: like that. And that's when you guys out me up,

575
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: asked me up for drinks. And this is when I

576
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: go out all night and dance, I think, and I

577
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: make wonderful new friends, which is really fun. And then

578
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: Miranda's on this day with this guy Ethan. Oh my

579
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: good lord, so they're oh, I just love this scene

580
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: there walking down the beautiful village streets at night and

581
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: he's talking in depth about shoah versus Schindler's List, and

582
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: she has the absolute most serious face and she is

583
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: quiet for like an entire block, which literally never happens

584
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: with Miranda, Like she just has no expression on her

585
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: face and nothing to say, as this guy rattles on,

586
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: rattles on, rattles on, but passionately rattling on. And then

587
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: she just kisses him, which is so cute and very

588
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: innocent in a way. And then they end up back

589
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: in his apartment. They're making out, making out, and then

590
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: he turns on the TV onto a porn tape, as

591
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: she calls it that, and he says this, it's okay,

592
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: and she's like sure, and then come to find out

593
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: that this is like a deal breaker for him, that

594
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: it must have porn. But yeah, I think this whole

595
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: thing is funny because at that point in time, I

596
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: don't think that porn had kind of reached the you know,

597
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: kind of common ground that it is now, where like

598
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: porn you're just like, oh, yeah, porn, you know what

599
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: I mean.

600
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally agree.

601
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it hadn't happened yet. Like this guy had porn tapes,

602
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: he had ready in his TV. And what he later

603
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: says to her, which I think is kind of heartbreaking

604
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: and sad, when she's like, no, I want you to

605
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: be having sex with me, not these women on the television,

606
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: and he goes, well, but I just met you, and

607
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: some of these women on the television I've had relationships

608
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: with for years.

609
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

610
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: He just feel bad for that guy. Yeah, yes, he

611
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: has a porn addiction.

612
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 3: He totally has a porn addiction, and it's kind of pathetic.

613
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 3: But at the same time, there are so many people

614
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: who have relationships that are are you know, virtual if

615
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: you will, Yeah, you know on that level.

616
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: You know, I know it was ahead of it's time

617
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: that episode.

618
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: I think it really was. It really was.

619
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: It was really like so much so that you have

620
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: to think back, like, oh yeah, porn used to be

621
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: like shocking exactly.

622
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: And you know what, I'm going to digress for a minute.

623
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 1: Just go for it.

624
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 3: Go back to the cheating part. What I also loved

625
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: about the exploration of cheating was that Carrie felt like

626
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: she was cheating on her friends with Big, you know,

627
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: and that that's another that was just another little nice nuance.

628
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: About I know. I love that too, absolutely, yeah, absolutely,

629
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: and I think it's so good. The confession scene, which

630
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: we're coming up on pretty soon, well, first word, we

631
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: have Carrie at Biggs, which, oh my god, this scene

632
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: I love so much. She's cooking for him, which is

633
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: not her thing, and he's got that black turtleneck on,

634
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: and this is like very This is a theme that's

635
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: going to go on for quite time with them, like

636
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: into the movies where you know, they cook and they

637
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: dance at one point, do you remember this, Like it's

638
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: so beautiful to see the first version of it, and

639
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: they both look so great and you can tell because

640
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: you know when you've broken up with someone and then

641
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: you get back together. It's like so fantastic in the beginning,

642
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, just look at them, you know, like she's

643
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: just looking at him with just such passion, and you know,

644
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 1: but she's trying to keep a lid on it, but

645
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: it's like so good. It's just I thought it was

646
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: fantastic and so great to see them. And he also

647
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: is just so much more fun than he used to be,

648
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: Like it's so much more relaxed, you know, And so

649
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: I was pleased for her. I feel like please for

650
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: Carrie in the scene. But but oh yeah, there all.

651
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: Then we do quickly kind of get back to her

652
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: trying to get him to say something, which of course

653
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to basically do what I mean, which

654
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: is kind of annoying. And and I mean, I guess,

655
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: like you said, she has chosen to go back, so

656
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: it is you know, she is more kind of aware

657
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: of her choices and that she is going to get

658
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: in here and try again. But I'm also like, oh lord,

659
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: because the whole debate is should they go out in public,

660
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: should they tell their friends? She says, should they make

661
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: it official? She says, well, what are you going to

662
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: tell your friends? And he says nothing like she's an idiot, right,

663
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: because of course he's not going to talk to his

664
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: friends about her. And she goes, oh, right, because you

665
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: have no friends, which I thought was a very good comeback.

666
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: And then he goes, well, what would you want me

667
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: to tell them? Like it's all very familiar. I have

668
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: to say, guys.

669
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yea.

670
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: So then we have this scene walking Oh god, oh

671
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: this is so good. She's walking on the street after

672
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: she was at Biggs and she runs into Miranda and

673
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: at seven in the morning, oh.

674
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: Yes, the Walk of Shame. Yes the walker.

675
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: Shane fully lies to Miranda that whole scene, and I

676
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: was like, wow, First of all, I can't believe Miranda

677
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: fell for this.

678
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, right, and I was like,

679
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: did she really buy that? Really?

680
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I know I felt

681
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: the same way. I mean, I think it's because I

682
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: think it's because so sometime has passed, right that that

683
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: Carrie has not been with Big, So we wouldn't be

684
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh big, you know what I mean, and

685
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: Randa wouldn't be thinking oh big. But I think Miranda

686
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: would have been thinking like someone else, like of.

687
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 2: Course you're coming from somebody's apartment.

688
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: You're not coming from the dentist, like really.

689
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: And you're not on your way to the dentistam no.

690
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: Like it's crazy. It's crazy, but it's kind of adorable

691
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: also at the same time. And of course Miranda has

692
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: her poor an addiction boyfriend on her mind, so she

693
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: talks about that. Then we go to Samantha. This scene adorable.

694
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: His name is Thor the trainer, and the trainer basically

695
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: says that that he doesn't that he's never slept with

696
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: the client before. This is a fantasy of his, and

697
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, fantastic. And then he says, you know,

698
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: let's shower because I think they've just come from the gym, right,

699
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: So they go in the shower. He's washed her legs,

700
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: which is quite fascinating, and then he says, are you

701
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: a dirty girl? And they got to Kim and she

702
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: has just the best look on her face. She just

703
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: looks up. She's like, well, that depends how you define it,

704
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: I guess, And then he said and then she says, oh,

705
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: had I known we were going to be doing this,

706
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: I would have shaved my legs something like that. And

707
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, well, you know, I can do that,

708
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: like it seems very organic how it happens.

709
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: You know.

710
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: So he's shaving her legs, which she seems to find sensual.

711
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: I have never let a man shave my legs. I

712
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: was I'd be scared they were going to cut me.

713
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, wow, she's very trusting.

714
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 3: Well, I never thought of it as as four plays,

715
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: So no, no, I would think of it as for

716
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 3: play or even just like something that I would be like, oh, yes,

717
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 3: go ahead.

718
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: I don't think I would do that. I don't think

719
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: I would do that. I would be very scared that

720
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: I would have a lot of cuts on my legs

721
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: and uh, private parts. Because as he goes up, he's like.

722
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: Specially right, yes, I mean.

723
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: Geez lo wais. So he's going up and he says

724
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: something like, you know, I don't even know if he asked.

725
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: He just keeps going and she looks like it's exciting,

726
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: which I'm just like, joh, I'm scary. So we find

727
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: out later cuts a lightning bolt into her pubic hair.

728
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: And the thing that I love the most about this

729
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: is that she then goes and talks to Miranda and

730
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: carry about it. I guess carries in the bathroom at

731
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: her apartment, but she's telling Miranda about it, and she

732
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: says something to the effect of, you know, this is

733
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: a big thing now. People are really you know, changing

734
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: how they take care of that area down there, And man,

735
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: is that an understatement? Like this was the beginning, okay

736
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: of that whole waxing situation that we went through for

737
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: quite some time, and then I thought it went away,

738
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: and then it seems like it's back. I'm not really sure.

739
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: I would love for some young ladies to tell me

740
00:36:50,239 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: how they feel about it on the Instagram page. So

741
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: she's telling they're in Carrie's apartment. Oh god, I forgot

742
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: about this scene. Carrie's in the bathroom, she's not coming out.

743
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: Samantha and Miranda are discussing this the shaving situation, and

744
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: then I show up in my headband and and also

745
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: a weird tube top. I'm like, whoa, so nineties very rare,

746
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: very rare. I have a code over it, thank god.

747
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: And at a certain point, Carrie has not come out

748
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: of the bathroom, so they're like, uh, what are you doing?

749
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: Is everything okay in there? And she says, no, actually not.

750
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: You know, I have this new diaphragm and it's stuck.

751
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: I remember this so well because there was a lot

752
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: of stress about this. There's a lot of conversation and

753
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: stress if this would ever happen in life. I believe

754
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: that one of the writers did have a story that

755
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: it was based on, which was always our thing that

756
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: the writers had to have some personal experience or a

757
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: friend with personal experience for it to be considered plausible,

758
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean enough to be in the show. Were there advocating, yes,

759
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: this could happen. And so it is decided that Samantha

760
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: will be the one to go into the bathroom and

761
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: help her, and all of us are like, oh yeah,

762
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, I have like a crazy look on my face,

763
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: and then it's over. But it was really something that

764
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: people do seem to remember, and I think it's really

765
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: funny and great. You know. Yeah, I don't know, I

766
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: don't know if it's realistic or not, but I think

767
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: it's funny and great.

768
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: Well, it's like, you know, what will your friends do

769
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: for you?

770
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: That's right, that's exactly right, that's right, and they should

771
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: do whatever you need. And Samantha is there for her,

772
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: you know, that's right. Yeah, So then we walked down

773
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: the street and it's one of the first walk and

774
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: talks that I remember, with all four of us walking

775
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: multiple blocks and having an important scene, and that came

776
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: to be also a staple and so hard to do

777
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: because everyone has to be perfect in the master and

778
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: that might take many many blocks, and you have to

779
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: walk and then you have to stop and go back

780
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: right and do it again, and you have to hope

781
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: that no one drives by and honks at you. And

782
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: usually it's the wee hours you know that we're doing those,

783
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: which is why there's like no especial.

784
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: Times square yeap, which is where that scene takes place.

785
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, and you couldn't generally. I don't remember this

786
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: particular time, but I remember later on we filmed the

787
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm Square and you couldn't start till ten or eleven

788
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: at night. They wouldn't give you a permit. So that's

789
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: when you're beginning those scenes, that's right. So we would

790
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: be there, oh night, oh the night long, all the

791
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: night long, all the night long. That was the job.

792
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: So this is when she Carrie confesses to us that

793
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: she was with Big and we all stop and we're

794
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: just like what and we say, all kinds of really funny,

795
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: funny things she tells them about Big. They get upset.

796
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: We say our opinions, he's an whole I say that.

797
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: I say carry he was such an ould to you.

798
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: So I'm like, yes, Charlotte, Yes, that's great. And then

799
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: we say, you know, why are you sneaking around behind us?

800
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: And then Carrie walks away because we're so upset. And

801
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: then she goes back to apartment and she says, the

802
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: problem is my friends are right, and you see her

803
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: walking back and forth kind of struggling inside herself with

804
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: the fact that she knows that we're right, but that

805
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that she doesn't want to do it, which

806
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: I think is so relatable. Obviously, we all do things

807
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: that we are not one hundred percent about, but we're

808
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: still driven to do them. That's her life is. Then

809
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: we go to Charlotte going to that very very fancy

810
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: mansion with that crazy statue with all the lesbians, which

811
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: I love so much. And I'm sure that this Patty Aston,

812
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: who's supposed to be like the Queen Bee of the

813
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: power lesbians, I'm sure she was based on someone, but

814
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: I don't know who. I think Darren wrote this episode.

815
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: I should check back. I'm pretty sure Darren wrote it.

816
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: And I love it. I love everything about it that

817
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: she's you know, so powerful and so rich and it's

818
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: only women in this place, right, love it. And then

819
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: I finally meet Patty and then oh, tell your ride.

820
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: It's not veil, it's tell your ride. And they're like, oh,

821
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: her house, and tell your it's so amazing, and I'm like, oh,

822
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: I'd love to go, you know, because I'm just like, yeah, yeah,

823
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: I want to be a part of this group. And

824
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: then Patty asks if I'm gay. That's a very funny

825
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: way that my producers wrote this down. And Charlotte says

826
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: that I'm not, and then I say, you know, but

827
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: I just love the company of all the women and

828
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: it's so safe and warm, which is so true. It's

829
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: so true. And then Patty's just like, no, if you

830
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: don't eat the pea, he can't be in the group, basically,

831
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: and Charlotte looks really sad. Then oh, poor Samantha goes

832
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: to the steam room at the gym and there's a

833
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: naked lady in there with a lightning bowlt shaped into

834
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: her private area, and lady is all mad and she

835
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: gets up and she says he's such antole or some

836
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: such and then you know, Charlotte, Samantha realizes that, yeah,

837
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: she it was all an act on this trainer's part.

838
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: He was just going through all the clients, right. Never

839
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: a good feeling even for Samantha. The Then Miranda is

840
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: back at the porn guy and she's decided that she's

841
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: had enough. She asked him to turn it off. This

842
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: is when she says, it's either them on the TV

843
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: or me, and he says, you know, the ladies on

844
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: the TV I've had a relationship with for years. And

845
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: it's just kind of sad. And she leaves and he

846
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: turns the TV back on.

847
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: Yes he does.

848
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: Gosh, I wonder what happened to him. Then we cut

849
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: to this beautiful scene with Carrie and Big and they're

850
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: dancing and I don't know where they're dancing. It's such

851
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: a glorious like old School.

852
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: That's a supper club that was such a staple in

853
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: New York City.

854
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: Absolutely great, so great, beautiful, and they're dancing beautifully. There's

855
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: not many people there. It's kind of intimate, and she's

856
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: talking again about how, you know, are they seeing each

857
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: other again? Officially, and he's like, what does it even mean?

858
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: And then he says, well, why don't you tell me

859
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: why we broke up in the first place? And she

860
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: says this great monologue that he doesn't hear, but we

861
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: here the audience hears about how, you know, could he

862
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: ever love her the way she wants to be loved?

863
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's really deep. But then she says, but

864
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: I but I took the easy way out, and I said,

865
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: I guess I was afraid, right. I thought that was

866
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: so good and I feel like I have done that

867
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: in life so many times. You're basically putting it on yourself,

868
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: you know what, it's actually questions you have about them.

869
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: You're making it seem like it's your own, your own issue.

870
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're responsible.

871
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: Right, You're responsible for it. And it's about your you know,

872
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: lack of strength or or you know, insecurity, your insecurities absolutely,

873
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: which kind of hurt me to watch that. And then

874
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: then he says, but I did miss you a lot,

875
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: and that seems to make her happy, you know, And

876
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: then she says, did you cry, which I love so much?

877
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: He says, no, but I did listen to a lot

878
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: of Sinatra.

879
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 2: Right right, right, right right right.

880
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: So like the thing that I think about it is

881
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: like that is his way of answering. That's what he

882
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: can do, you know what I'm saying. He can't cry,

883
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: and he certainly can't tell her that he cried, but

884
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: he can tell her I listened to a lot of Sinatra, right,

885
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: that is who that man is, right right right, and

886
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: she wants to be there with him exactly, And I

887
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: think that's good. So I love the episode so much

888
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: and I just think, I just think it's beautiful, like

889
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: and so, you know, there's like such a kind of

890
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: an innocence about it, you know, even though we're dealing

891
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: with these topics you know this, you know, porn this

892
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: and that and shaving public pubic areas, you know whatever,

893
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: like things like this, But at the same time, there's

894
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: like a like a sweetness about it that I I

895
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: love to see and it takes me back to kind

896
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: of the newness of it all because a show, you know,

897
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: it's nice, it's a good one. I'm so happy that

898
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: you were on it with me.

899
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: I was so happy to do it. It was it

900
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: was a pleasure. It was such a joy to do,

901
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: so much fun.

902
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: It was so much fun.

903
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: I know. I wish Uchreloe could have just been a

904
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: little bit bolder and stayed in that group a little

905
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: longer somehow.

906
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: But you know, one thing we miss. One of the

907
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: friends asked her if she told the lesbian she was

908
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: not a lesbian, and she was like, well, you know, no,

909
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what the right right?

910
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: I love that, No, I know, and they're so right

911
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: where they're like, no, you need to tell them you're

912
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: leading them along and she looks like, what I can

913
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: actually be leading women along? And wait? Also, doesn't Miranda

914
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: have something really funny where she says like when I

915
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: was fourteen, I kissed this girl blah blah blah and

916
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: it was really fun. I was like, oh my god,

917
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: did we remember that? And just like that, I don't

918
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: think we did, because yes, there was something there. Should

919
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: have taken Miranda to the Power Lesbians party. Little did

920
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: we know where we would all be going many years later.

921
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: Many years later, so many years later later, which is

922
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: so fabulous.

923
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 2: Congratulations to you all.

924
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: You know you we're so lucky.

925
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you never thought, you know, when you

926
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 3: first signed on to that show, that the legacy that

927
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 3: is created.

928
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: You know, we never would have dreamt.

929
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, never amazing.

930
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: It is amazing, and we're so thankful to the fans really,

931
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: you know, because we could have gotten canceled. I mean,

932
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: anything could have happened.

933
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, this business, I mean, even if the

934
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 3: show was popular, if new leadership comes into a company

935
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: and they decide, well, that's not my baby, you know,

936
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: I want to put something else there.

937
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: You know, you're out.

938
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: So true, it's really been through many a leadership.

939
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: Also, yes, so that's fantastic.

940
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: It is, it is, it is. And also I just

941
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: remember so many things about like you know, like I

942
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: remember there was a time where they said, you know,

943
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: you're the show's not going to make it to syndication,

944
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: partly because we were HBO, which didn't have a track

945
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: record in this way, and partly because they said, you know,

946
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: women led shows don't travel. And then we became this

947
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: huge international.

948
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: Yes, right, Yeah.

949
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: There's so many rules, so cold rules that we ended

950
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: up breaking, thank god, and then they very quickly forget.

951
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: And then the next thing comes along and breaks and

952
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, and they're like no, you guys,

953
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: Like there's this, and then there's this, and then there's this,

954
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: like oh my gosh. But it's hard to change things.

955
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: It is, but something always comes along.

956
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 3: I mean when you say that, you know, I think

957
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: about Black Panther, and I think about the myth of

958
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: how you know, black lead films, et cetera, Yeah, don't

959
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: do well internationally or whatever, you know, and then Black

960
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 3: Panther comes along and just blows it up out of

961
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: the water. Yeah.

962
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: And then look at Cinners and now.

963
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 3: Centers and now Centers and now Centers, you know, which

964
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: is just incredible.

965
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: And then again they're like, oh my god, and you're like, no, not,

966
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: oh my god, like.

967
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: It's a surprise, you know. Unfortunately, what we have and

968
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: have had now is.

969
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: We don't need to necessarily rely on the marketing departments

970
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 3: of the studios because that's where black lit things or

971
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 3: women let things get stuck because they don't put the

972
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 3: finances behind marketing it, you know. And so now that

973
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: we have social media and the word of mouth is

974
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: now you know, digital and all over the world, then

975
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: you know, they're not necessarily in control anymore how a

976
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 3: film or TV shows received, because the audience really.

977
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: Has the steering wheel. So I think that's amazing.

978
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point I think the

979
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: thing that's still frustrating to me is when you're pitching

980
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 1: the things.

981
00:48:59,120 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: They're like.

982
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: Yes, and you're like you guys, come on.

983
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: And that boils down to leadership, who's making the decisions,

984
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 3: you know, and getting more women, more people of color

985
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 3: in leadership positions who can green light stuff.

986
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: As we know, as we And also there is the

987
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: thing now too where you can also make your own thing.

988
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: It may not be in such a huge way, right,

989
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: but as a calling card, as a way to get

990
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: your foot in the door. You can create your own

991
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: content in one way or another.

992
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and people are doing it now with their cell phones.

993
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: So yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. All right, I like

994
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: that happy note to end on. It's been so great

995
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: having you.

996
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. It was a pleasure going

997
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 2: down memory lane with you.

998
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: It was a pleasure. I love to see you, sending

999
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: love to you in New York. Continue on. I will

1000
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: be watching thank you.

1001
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 3: Actually I'm in Atlanta because you're in Atlanta. Yeah, I'm

1002
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 3: shooting the new Daytime drama Beyond the Gates. So that's

1003
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 3: what's keeping me here.

1004
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: Yes, amazing, are you baking?

1005
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: Baking? It's a thousand degrees.

1006
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm from South Carolina, so my mom has been

1007
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: keeping me updated on the temperature.

1008
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 3: Well, the temperature is the same here as it is

1009
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 3: in New York right now.

1010
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah.

1011
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: It's like one hundred degrees. It's one hundred degrees in

1012
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 3: both places.

1013
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Well I would never know. You look

1014
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: fresh as a daisy.

1015
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: Thank you that I'm in their conditioning.

1016
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: I love it, love it, love it. Well, good luck

1017
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: on this job, fantastic, thank you, thank you so much,

1018
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: thanks for being Oh good, good good. I look forward.

1019
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 2: Okay, so next time, yes,