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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of ways to look at luck. I

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Speaker 2: often look at luck in terms of the things which

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Speaker 2: are probabilities, but it just kind of comes up, you know,

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Speaker 2: against you from time to time. Like, for example, there

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Speaker 2: was a story on the website at Coast tocoastam dot

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Speaker 2: com about the cell your cell phones going off as

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Speaker 2: a result of that big emergency transmission they had earlier

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Speaker 2: this week, and the people who are Amish who had

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Speaker 2: secret phones who were busted because those phones started going

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Speaker 2: off regardless whether they had the ringtone off or whatever.

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Speaker 2: It's like, that's a little unlucky. And then I see

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Speaker 2: the story about I don't know if you saw the video,

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Speaker 2: I would recommend it if you go to coastcoastam dot

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Speaker 2: com about people who are on this little train in

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Speaker 2: Colorado kind of sounds like a little tourist train and

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Speaker 2: the and they get video of what appears to be

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Speaker 2: bigfoot walking across the brush not too far off the

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Speaker 2: railroad tracks. They get a pretty clear image of whatever

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Speaker 2: it is. Now, maybe that's a hoax, maybe that's all

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Speaker 2: been pre prepared, Maybe it's whatever, But that's lucky, right

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Speaker 2: that they happen to have a cell phone camera in

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Speaker 2: their hand as something like that is happening. How do you,

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Speaker 2: in generally, how do you look at luck?

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Speaker 3: I think, I like to paraphrase Thomas Jefferson, is the

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Speaker 3: harder I work, the luckier I get. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 3: you know. I mean it's like winning the lottery. You've

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Speaker 3: actually got to buy the ticket to win, because you

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Speaker 3: know a lot of people I wish I could win

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Speaker 3: the lottery, or a lot of times when I'm on

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Speaker 3: callin shows, people call in and they mistake me being

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Speaker 3: a medium, which is communicating with spirits, for being a

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Speaker 3: fortune teller, and they say, well, will I find a

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Speaker 3: new job and will I find a love in my life?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: That's what are you doing about it? Well? Nothing, like

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Speaker 3: you create your own luck in many situations. And then

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Speaker 3: there's times like you're talking about, where you could be

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Speaker 3: in a particular place at a particular time and something happens.

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Speaker 3: The question then, Ian, and we've talked about this before

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Speaker 3: the last time, I is synchronicity, because sometimes you will

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Speaker 3: find yourself in a particular situation at a precise moment

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Speaker 3: which affects the rest of your life. And sometimes that

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Speaker 3: can be really good, and sometimes that can be really negative.

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Speaker 3: My dad, the Navy Cloas, used to say to me

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Speaker 3: that your life can change in a second. So let's

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Speaker 3: say that you make an improper left turn, you're driving

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Speaker 3: into an intersection, and you get into a horrific collision.

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Speaker 3: That one second has changed life in a terrible way.

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Speaker 3: Or perhaps you could be in a job interview and

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Speaker 3: they throw a question at you out of left field,

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Speaker 3: and you give the answer that really impresses your potential employer,

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Speaker 3: and then they hire you for a great job. So

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Speaker 3: that one second has changed your life in a positive way.

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Speaker 2: I see that. As long as we're quoting on luck.

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Speaker 2: I think it was Seneca, right, the Roman philosopher. I

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Speaker 2: think it was Seneca, who is originally I believe he's

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Speaker 2: credited with luck. Is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

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Speaker 2: And so the people on the train, they didn't panic,

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Speaker 2: they didn't scream, they didn't an opportunity to take this

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Speaker 2: video of bigfoot or what appears to be bigfoot. They

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Speaker 2: had a camera in their hand and they did. It's

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Speaker 2: that's preparation meeting opportunity and I like all that. I

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Speaker 2: think what's interesting is when luck gets in your head

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Speaker 2: as and you know, to your point about the lottery.

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Speaker 2: You know, people talk about luck in that way, and

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Speaker 2: I say, luck would be winning the lottery without having

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Speaker 2: bought a ticket. That's just like, that's a miracle.

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Speaker 3: That's not Yeah, that's not luck, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: That's it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: So even if you have a one in ten billion

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Speaker 2: chance of something, it could happen. So but I think

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Speaker 2: that kind of gets in some people's heads, right, and

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Speaker 2: they think of themselves early on in light They start

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Speaker 2: thinking of themselves as unlucky, as born under a bad sign,

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Speaker 2: that that somehow the universe is against their own success,

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Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you more because once you develop

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Speaker 3: a mindset, whether it's positive, positive, or negative, a negative

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Speaker 3: would be clients I had that were physically injured or

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Speaker 3: they had severe illnesses, perhaps cancer or something like that.

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Speaker 3: determined to do it. They had that positive mindset, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to beat this, I'm going to do that. The

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Speaker 3: ones that gave up seemed to go right away. And certainly,

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Speaker 3: you know, you can only have so much control over

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Speaker 3: something like cancer. But the thing is, a positive mindset

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Speaker 3: has a lot to do with your success in life.

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Speaker 3: Because there's a lot of people like you just said

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Speaker 3: that go around with this, Oh, I was born under

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Speaker 3: an unlucky sign. Nothing ever works out for me. So

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Speaker 3: they flood their head negativity and then everything that they're

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Speaker 3: looking at is through this filter, which you know, in

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Speaker 3: other words, it's hard to be optimistic. Through misty optics.

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Speaker 3: You're giving yourself not a head start, but you're always

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Speaker 3: intention out there. So luck is, I think it's part

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Speaker 3: of our life, but it's also how we shape things

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Speaker 3: and perceive things, and luck is oftentimes and that's why

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Speaker 3: we're talking about pride to the thirteenth, and there's a

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Speaker 3: number of superstitions and phobias out there which you know

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Speaker 3: people are so afraid of certain things. But once again,

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Speaker 3: once you begin to understand and approach a fear, approach

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Speaker 3: a superstition, what we find in the study of ancient

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Speaker 3: mysteries and paranormal phenomenon, in fear based beliefs, there is

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Speaker 3: some factual basis which led to what that fear, what

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Speaker 3: that phobia, what that superstition is.

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Speaker 2: And in this case, it does seem like the legend

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Speaker 2: of October the thirteenth is the truth of why this

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Speaker 2: date looms so large for.

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Speaker 3: Us well, absolutely, and that's why it's such an honor

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Speaker 3: being on coast to coast on Friday October thirteenth, because

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Speaker 3: because seven hundred and sixteen years ago, on Friday October

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Speaker 3: to the day, is when it is widely believed that

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Speaker 3: the fear, this the phobia of Friday the thirteenth originated.

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Speaker 3: And I love the how the psychologist. There's two technical

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Speaker 3: terms paris skivy deca triphobia, which is the term, and

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Speaker 3: frigatriska decaphobia, which is the Latin term, both of which

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Speaker 3: mean fear of Friday the thirteenth, So these are this

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Speaker 3: is a legitimate fear for a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: And there's just trisca dicophobia. People every time thirteen comes up,

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Speaker 2: they think it's unlucky. Yes, right, it's just the number itself,

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot to it though. According to numerologists,

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Speaker 3: In ancient Greece, there were twelve main gods on Mount Olympus.

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Speaker 3: In Judaism, there were twelve tribes of Israel. In Christianity

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Speaker 3: there were twelve apostles of Jesus. So twelve was always

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Speaker 3: mirrored in early Christian beliefs about the Last Supper that

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Speaker 3: having thirteen people seated at a table, one will die

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Speaker 3: within a year, and according to legend, there are thirteen

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Speaker 3: witches in a covin. But you know, this may sound irrational,

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Speaker 3: but then again, think about it again. And for all

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Speaker 3: the coast to coast listeners, most cities don't have a

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Speaker 3: thirteenth street. Hotels have no thirteenth floor because many people

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Speaker 2: But I'm so I'm so glad that tradition stopped. There

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Speaker 2: was a time when that's always true. And you can

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Speaker 2: or architects or it's just saying, pish posh, there is

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Speaker 2: a thirteenth floor. We might as well call it the

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Speaker 2: thirteenth floor, because you count them up from the ground,

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Speaker 2: there is going to be thirteenth floor. It's not like

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Speaker 2: you magically skip a floor, I know.

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Speaker 3: But then again, of all the NASA manned missions to

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Speaker 3: have to put a plug in here for my dad

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Speaker 3: who has passed on. He was one of the team,

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Speaker 2: So whip smart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, in that situation, that was about as bad

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Speaker 3: luck as you're going to get. You had had an

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Speaker 3: And you know, I'm sure we've all heard or seen excerpts,

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Speaker 3: if not seen the movie Apollo thirteen. They actually transmitted Houston,

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Speaker 3: up with a solution. So, you know, thirteen, yes, maybe

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Speaker 3: that was a coincidence, but I don't believe in coincidences,

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Speaker 3: but it was Apollo thirteen that almost didn't make it.

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Speaker 1: You know that.

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Speaker 2: It's funny as you spell that out like that, and

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm inclined to think that this is what there's

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Speaker 2: that certain amount of magical thinking goes into that, and

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Speaker 2: I'm not. But but often is sort of a reflection

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Speaker 2: that people are focused on one thing, and in a

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Speaker 2: If if they can avoid thirteen, then they then they

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Speaker 2: are actively trying to avoid problems, or they're actively trying

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Speaker 2: to avoid bad luck, and or if they really look

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Speaker 2: at October, you know, if they look at Friday the

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Speaker 2: thirteenth and I think, well, I'm just going to stay

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe that's its own kind of way of

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Speaker 2: acknowledging that the rest of my life is so good,

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Speaker 2: this is what I'm going to step aside for and

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Speaker 2: not necessarily be so overwhelmed by thirteen that they can't

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Speaker 2: step outside. You see what I'm saying. It becomes almost

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Speaker 2: like a kind of symbolism for all that could go wrong,

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Speaker 2: and so you try to avoid it, just like we

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Speaker 3: And there's actually statistics to back up what you just said.

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Speaker 3: According to the late Donald Dossi of the Stress Management

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Speaker 3: Center in Phobia Institute, Nashville, Carolina, twenty one million Americans

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Speaker 3: fear Friday the thirteenth, to the point where they won't

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Speaker 3: leave the house. They avoid normal routines, they won't drive,

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Speaker 3: they won't fly. They're absolutely paralyzed by this fear. And

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Speaker 3: it's been estimated in that nearly nine hundred million dollars

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Speaker 3: in business is lost every Friday the thirteen. Wow, because

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Speaker 3: and it shows the studies show that there's fewer accidents,

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Speaker 3: feer fires, fewer thefts because people don't go out. So there,

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Speaker 3: you know, there's a flip side to it. Yeah, which

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Speaker 3: isn't almost a billion in revenue on Friday the thirty

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Speaker 3: that's probably made up on Saturday fourteen. But because people

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Speaker 3: don't you know a lot of people won't go out,

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Speaker 3: they're not driving as much, there's less mishaps. Yeah, So

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Speaker 3: you know, it's funny, it's it's it's you know, there's

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Speaker 3: this oh it's bad luck. But then again it does

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Speaker 3: translate into into actual actual dollars.

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Speaker 2: One of my children, my oldest son was born on

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Speaker 2: Friday the thirteenth, and somebody told me, well, now from

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Speaker 2: now on Friday the thirteenth is your lucky day. And

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Speaker 2: it turned, it turns the whole thing on its head,

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Speaker 2: that that Friday, that Friday the thirteenth, at any time,

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Speaker 2: any thirteen is now your lucky number because your child

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Speaker 2: survived on the thirteenth of a Friday. Someday I think,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I never really put much faith in it anyway,

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Speaker 2: but I thought, yeah, I've always felt very lucky as

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Speaker 2: a result of that.

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