WEBVTT - We Care About Your EDM Feelings 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:18.400 It's am in the Saharaitan and you're listening to Night Call. Hello, 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.320 and welcome to Nightcall, a podcast to keep you company 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:24.919 during those strange days and lonely nights. My name is 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:27.720 Emily Oshida. I am in New York City, and with 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:29.840 me on the other end of the line in California, 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:35.200 I have Molly Lambert and tes Lynch in Los Angeles, California, 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:37.879 in a creepy garage. You know, there's some ghost air 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.120 going on over there's some ghost are We're in a 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:49.599 podcast garage, a classic classic Mark Marin style, a tradition. Um. 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.080 But Test warned me before we went in here. She 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.360 was like, yeah, everything's fine, except there's like a fencing 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.640 dummy in there that might scare you. Wait, is this 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.840 a different garage than you guys are Usually we're usually 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.360 in a house, and this week we're in a garage. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.360 It's my garage and it's not a podcast garage, Okay, 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.319 it's it's a garage that I cannot get my car 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:14.200 into because I have a long, narrow driveway and it's scary. 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:19.960 So it became like a repository something room. It's abby hole, 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.480 a hobby hole. At some point it was determined, not 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:27.839 by me, that it needed a dummy for fencing practice, 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.800 made out of like a coat rack covered with like 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.760 a super scary sheet and some batting and it's just 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.919 kind of right behind us. When test set a fencing dummy, 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:39.520 I was like, I don't know what that means, but 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.120 I was picturing like a crash test dummy, which would 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:46.840 also be but this is literally it's just like a 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:51.400 human form, like a dressmaker's form, just like covered in 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:55.440 like a mummy sheet and wrapped so it looks like somebody. 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.000 It looks like a dead body, dead body standing up. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:06.240 What who was Peter? I mean nex fencer is an 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.840 ex fencer. Wow, I didn't know that. He parried his 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:15.280 way into her heart. And then he was like, you know, 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.040 I think I'm gonna do like an art project and 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.080 create and I was just like, not in my house, 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:21.639 not in the house, get it out of the house. 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.919 He was like, garage it is. It's on a Christmas 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:30.079 tree stand. I'm going to take a picture of it. Um. 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.639 But even scarier maybe than the form of the body 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.639 is there's like a hand sticking up behind it. That's 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:39.800 a glove. I didn't notice. So it looks like there's 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.320 like a hand reaching out of the couch a little bit, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.760 which adds to the spookiness. This would be very spooky 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.560 at night if you were alone. Yeah, that's like a 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.120 kind of form that seems benign during the day, and 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.640 then when it's silhouetted at night, it just looks like 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.840 a person the day. It's terrifying during the day. We're 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.120 in here right now, and it's a little I'm not 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.320 Joanna Gain, It's okay, I didn't not design this space. Well, 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:06.400 where's the ship lab? Where's the ship? Honestly, it would 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.240 be fun now that I'm in here for the first 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.360 time in a long time. It is a long story 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.519 why we're in the garage. It's very spacious, though, I 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.920 was gonna you know, this isn't like full of stuff. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:17.960 There's like it's like a room, an empty room with 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:22.640 a body, and you're welcome. I think it might be 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:26.639 an escape room. It's yeah, come and leave for free 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.240 unless you cross me, and then we'll see and we'll 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:36.760 see where we are. So we test garage. So we 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.000 wanted to follow up real quick um with some feedback 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.920 that we got from a nightcall. A couple episodes ago 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.480 at this point. The call that we got about the 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:50.119 phone call, um a call about a call, the one 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.520 that had the ice cream truck music and the little 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:59.560 voice that said hello Hello, which sounded really um. Yeah, 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.040 I think that gave us all recent a recent episode, 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:09.800 but already a classic A nightcall, classic ice cream truck wow. Um. 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:11.800 When I was in New York, I heard so many 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.480 ice cream trucks and I thought about it every time. 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.760 Did you make any calls? Molly? Did? Know? I should? 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.279 That was a ripe opportunity. Didn't occur to me to 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.479 call any of you and ambiently leave terrifying ice cream 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.640 truck music, because but if you picked up and you'd 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:31.000 be like, why are you calling me? Molly? Molly? Um? 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.400 So yeah. A lot of our listeners told us to 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:38.839 check out a reply All episode that was pertinent to this. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:45.120 This particular scam Um summarized, Yeah, so the collar on 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:49.960 reply All had had an issue that it sounded similar. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.479 I'd be interested to hear from all our collar if 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.920 her story at all overlaps with this, because the main 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.279 difference for the caller and reply All is that she 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.120 was getting a bunch of calls and they were on 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.720 a toll free line at her office, so it wasn't 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.520 a cell phone, which I believe our listener had called 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.120 had gotten the call on a cell phone, because I 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:12.880 think she I remember her saying that she had been 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.080 in the car with friends when she decided to answer it. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:20.719 But um so this person on reply all had gotten 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:24.600 a series of calls that she started recording, um because 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.480 they were these they just sounded like they were coming 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:29.799 from all these different places. They almost sounded like field 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:31.839 recordings of different spots, and they play them on the 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.520 show and it is kind of eerie, Like there's one, 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.080 there's a series of ones that are like at a 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.360 basketball game with a kid talking. There's some stuff that's 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:41.800 like seems to be out in a field and you 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.000 can hear something that sounds like a um like us 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.960 an arraid siren or something going off. It's just really 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:52.400 kind of eerie stuff that feels kind of creepy pasta 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:56.640 ish or something like just this sort of unexplainable uh 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:00.679 kinda I don't know, like found art type or something. 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.320 Um So, she she called and was asking about it. 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.120 So they investigated and um the thing that they kind 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:08.640 of figured it was, and they like went all the 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.120 way to like talking to an FBI agent who had 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.960 been assigned to this case, UM is that it's a 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.760 form of phone fraud. But that only applies, I think 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.400 with the UM the toll free number, because like these 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.360 people will put all these calls into these UM like 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:29.159 just kind of create a bot essentially that that sends 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.360 all these calls to these toll free lines and then 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:35.400 gets UM like has at one point along the chain 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.599 of towers and carriers. They get a kick back for 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.200 that call being sent through. So the longer you can 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.000 keep the person on the line, which was the reason 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.839 for like the weird recording, and have a longer call, 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.200 even if it means just like making it a minute 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.839 as opposed to thirty seconds. That all adds up to being, 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.560 you know, quite a bit of money potentially. I want 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:00.279 to know how much money that really is exactly? Well, yeah, 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.880 I mean they were they enough for the FBI to 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.040 get involved, because I think the phone fraud is fairly common, 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.040 but it's not something that's reported a lot because it's 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.120 kind of opaque and boring. But I think a lot 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:15.600 of UM like there's stuff where UM podcasts the phone 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:19.200 fraud scam. They keep you on the line as long 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:23.680 as like three hour podcasts. Yes, Um, I I think, well, 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.000 there are some cases of um of people doing uh 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:32.680 doing a phone fraud to fund terrorism because you can 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.840 just like do all these junk calls, but if you 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.040 get a kick back from the carrier, then it can 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:43.040 like totally add up. So um yeah. So this was 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:45.880 this was their theory about it, and they they more 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.920 or less solved it on on the show, even though 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:50.960 the lady still was getting calls, and one of the 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:54.040 guys who was involved in figuring out what was going 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.520 on said that there are so few people who would 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.760 know how to do this or have the like time 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.440 like He's like, this person has to be retired if 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.360 they're doing this, and probably worked in the telecom industry 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:09.640 because they know what you know, and yeah yeah, so 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.640 so they're like he was like, there's like five people 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.440 in the world and I've probably talked to them, like 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:19.240 who do this? Um, it was a very interesting that's interesting. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.960 I wonder if that is what this is part of 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.720 or if it's its own thing, because my my immediate 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:27.920 response to that was that if you're going to call 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:29.520 somebody and you're trying to get them to stay on 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.840 the line and you do something creepy, and then you 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.280 keep calling back and it's like the same creepy thing 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.960 over and over again, such as an ice cream truck. Uh, 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.920 my response would be like hang up immediately the next 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.000 time they called, I wouldn't be like, I'm going to 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.280 stay on the line longer to see if like more 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.200 context reveals itself. The thing about the field recordings makes 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.480 more sense because it's like you would stay on the 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.720 line to try to gather protext, you know, is that 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.120 also why tell? I mean, this is maybe stupid, but 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.240 is that why there you'll often receive like telemarketing phone 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:03.120 calls with like such long lag. Yeah, definitely, that's why 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.280 people in telemarketing take a really long time to like 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.679 introduce themselves and say what they're doing. And sometimes I'll 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.160 stay on the line with them because I'm like, I 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:14.000 know you're getting paid longer than Yeah. Is that why 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:15.960 they have the lag? I thought that was just because 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.200 the calling machine had to have was taking time to 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.520 connect them. 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Like you calls on the phone, Did you 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.240 have a problem or you just wanted to call to 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.679 see what happened? I just wanted to say what's up? 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.160 I mean, I just have this memory of, like, you know, 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.360 if there was a number to call, calling it kind 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.640 of And I also tend to stay on with telemarketers. 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:26.000 Although the Windows PC there's a virus on your Windows computer, 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:29.280 it's gone. Every time I've had a real engagement, I 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.360 get so sad about that scam. What are you talking about? 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.960 I have a landline, so I get like a lot 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.800 of telemarketing calls. And there's this one scam where people's 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.080 you know, you're called by a supposed technician who says 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:43.840 that there's a problem that you have, like a virus 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.880 on your Windows computer, which of course the likelihood of 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:49.600 you having is not. You know, a lot of these 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.360 are targeted, well, these are targeted at older people. And 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.400 then they can kind of block you out of your 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:58.480 computer remotely if you have you know. So yeah, that's interesting. 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.640 But also I feel like the people who get into 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.760 those scams sometimes it's because they're lonely and they're like, 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.160 somebody called me. Oh, I mean, I don't know it 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.839 kind of praise on this boomer fear of like, you know, 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.160 the like computer vibe. I growing up, my dad was 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.520 so preoccupied with computer virus. Our listeners about your nightmare. 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:23.360 Oh well, this is off topic because it's not related 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:27.600 to fear and terror and nighttime. It's so over the weekend. 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.560 I took a nap. I feel pretty guilty about it. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.320 I don't often you always feel really bad about it. 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.160 I took a nap, and of course I don't know 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.079 why I should have been doing other stuff. I took 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.840 a nap um and of course because it was a nap, 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.560 I had a nightmare, like a terrible nightmare, and I 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.560 only it was so brief that I only really remember 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.160 the point just before I woke up, where I had 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:52.320 my computer in my lab and blood just started gushing 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.480 out of all of the courts. It was the most 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:59.320 terrifying nightmare I've ever had. Like it was a very 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.560 it was awful. I was like, you saved that for 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:05.000 your Stephen King novels. Yeah, BE'TI ful? Scary image it was, 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.000 and I like I woke up and I was like, 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:08.960 what would I do if that happened? Like would I 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:10.880 take it to the Genius Bar? Like I know it 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.439 would be somehow my fault, Like the blood was like 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.480 my fault. I just was watching the original it the 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.640 TV movie one was so good. It is not good. 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.840 I'm sorry. We were talking about the Harry Anderson. Yeah, 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:28.240 oh my god. I watched it semi recently. I found 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.600 it to be like all borderline unwatchable, but you know, 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.280 it's so good, you're crazy. I also liked the stand 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.400 TV movie. Um, yeah, me too. I love all the 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:41.480 Stephen King TV movies. Team Stephen King TV movies on 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.080 the West Coast over here, all right, But I was 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.280 just gonna say the part in it when Beverly is 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.400 in the bathroom and the like balloon starts just like 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.120 a balloon starts inflating out of the sink and then 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.200 it just like pops and it's full of blood. Yeah, 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.320 super scary. Also, we were watching it and my boyfriend 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.640 was like, wait, is this about puberty could be? Did 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.480 you see the new It? Uh? No, I did not. 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:10.680 Actually they do that scene. The version of that scene 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:12.480 that's in the new one, I think is pretty great. 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.360 Uh it's you like the new It more than the 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.360 original It. It's a more competent movie. I would say, Yeah, 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.560 I mean I don't love it, but it's like there's 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:26.920 some scary stuff in it. Yeah, what I said, Oh man, 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:31.400 I'm just I'm riding for the original. Emily. How old 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.280 were you when you saw the original It? Oh? I 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.200 didn't see it until I was at an adult. I 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:40.280 mean there's the thing. Yeah, um, that would be it. 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:44.280 I saw it as an adult and a person who 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:48.400 writes about movies. So yeah, Like, all I'm saying is 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.920 if you saw Tim Curry as that clown, if you like, 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:56.000 turn the corner out of the Audio Boom office in 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.240 a moment and you see Tim Curry at that clown 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.440 in Times Square. Oh yeah, no, he's he's great, and 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.400 he's he's better than um, what's his face? The Scars 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:10.640 guard brother? Who's who's um Pennywise Elizabethan Rough? Yeah, um, 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:15.760 fancy clown. That's how you do. That's what I thought 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:17.800 was so funny. I was like, for the gritty reboot, 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.760 they gave him like an old timey, doesn't he have? 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.000 He had like a frilly thing going on in the 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:28.160 made it more Victorians. It's like one of those stiff collars. 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.760 It's like, yeah, so it's more baroque, say a little 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.640 a tad steampunk, speaking of things that belonged to a 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.600 certain time. Emily wrote a really, really, really great piece 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.600 on Vulture about E d M music and the recession. 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.720 I highly recommend you check it out. So, Emily, did 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:50.760 you want to talk about more about that? Yeah, so, yeah, 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:55.800 VICI passed away. I think it was a Thursday. It 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.120 was Thursday night and he was twenty eight years old. 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.840 But um, I think I that was when I saw 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.280 that that had happened. That was there are very few 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.720 deaths now, and it feels like there's another death every 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.639 every week. But that was one where I like, I 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.120 like like held out my computer like it was on fire. 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.680 It was like what, because I mean, yes, he's very young, 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:22.479 but it also just felt like, um, I don't know. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:26.439 There it kind of felt like, uh, an end of 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.399 an era in a way. And I texted you guys 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:33.399 and Molly sent back the picture of from from Boogie 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.639 Nights where they have the Goodbye to the seventies Welcome 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:41.920 eighties banner. Um, and that is definitely what this feels like. Um. 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.200 And I and morbidly I was telling Sam, my coworker 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.199 on Slacker, was just like I was like, just for 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:52.119 writerally purposes, because I've always just been interested in writing 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.520 and thinking about a d M. Uh, and it feels 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:57.760 very much like it felt like it's on the downswing 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.600 for many years now, and I was always kind of 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.080 having my antenna out for the thing that would make 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.840 it feel like it was over, like you know, some 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:10.080 big club closing in Vegas, or or you know, some 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.720 drastic change to the lineup at Coachella or something like that. 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:18.880 And uh, and this, you know, kind of undoubtedly felt 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:20.720 like it was it. But it was certainly not what 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:25.159 I ever would have wanted to have happened or or 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:29.600 predicted or anything. So it was really shocking. Um. I 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.280 thought maybe the early I thought the first end of 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.840 d M was when people died on the hard Fest boat, 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.159 when that girl disappeared, you know, And then you realize 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:43.280 it happens that every festival, all one of the big 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:47.480 things was when they moved Electric Daisy Carnival from a 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.919 late of Vegas. Um. And part of the reason they 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.600 moved it was because they were like, too many underaged 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:58.439 kids are going right at the colasum huh. And some 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:00.960 of these raves that they do in like these giant 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.119 indoor arenas. I find that like that seems like the 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:09.400 worst possible to go to a raven. Uh. But yeah, 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:13.040 this obviously retired from performing a couple of years ago. 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:17.760 He had he had such bad issues with I think 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.280 drinking mostly. He said he had UM, he had his 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.240 like pancreas removed or something, and pink he had pancreatitis. 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.159 He was just having really really bad health problems and 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.600 he yeah, he was like maybe we'll come back when 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:32.720 I'm sixty. Yeah. People, somebody was saying, like, now this 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.399 turns uh. I took a pill and abisa into like 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:40.080 Hotel California that J Brooks. Yeah, No, it was it 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.040 was it was candle in the wind. It was candle 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:49.359 in the wind. Yeah. I know, but we respect you know, 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.639 we can just transpose it onto music that you like. 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:57.240 You can transpose it. Um. I was always trying to 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:03.720 get you to do a column called Eat Emily. Yeah, 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.200 well I always wanted it was one of these things 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.240 I always wanted to write about, and it was kind 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:12.920 of hard to like pitch in a convincing way like 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.800 why I thought it was interesting and like a handful 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:17.800 of us that like like the d M and we 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.720 talk about it, um. But you know, it's very much 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.440 like the way that it was talked about. I feel 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:27.920 like it was always like hair metal where ye um. 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.639 You know, there's obviously a lot of problems with the 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:32.920 d UM in terms of like what kinds of DJ 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.280 has become the biggest DJs in the world, and the 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:40.359 fact that they were all straight white guys, um, you know, 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:44.160 especially because dance music culture comes so much out of 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:49.400 queerness and uh non whiteness, and the fact that all 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.399 these big DJs were like Calvin Harris, you know, a 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:56.520 VICI diplo, Like all these guys are the same kind 0:20:56.520 --> 0:21:01.080 of guy. Um. And you know, just sort of the 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:06.160 advent of like brow step and dance music becoming just 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:10.200 browy in a certain way. Um. Yeah, it became this 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.600 thing where it was like fat guys wanted to go 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:15.760 essentially to the disco, which felt like an interest in 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:19.119 her ecstasy. Yeah yeah, I mean that's what I like 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.600 about the movie Saturday Night Fever is it's about like 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.560 the end of disco when it is like meatheads in 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:27.160 the suburbs, you know, just using it to pick up women. 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:30.760 Going off of that, like, I was looking at some 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:33.520 old blog posts I had written, and like it's and 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:35.119 I was pointing this out at the time, and in 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.600 retrospect it feels even more soon that like Jersey Shore 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:43.840 was a great harbinger of e M because of yeah, 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:48.000 it was about house music in in the Bridge and 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.560 tunnel house music. Yeah yeah. I mean I argue with 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:52.959 my boyfriend a lot about Saturday Night Fever because I'm 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:54.720 always like, it's such a great movie and he's like, 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.199 it's a bad disco movie, which is true, you know, 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:00.160 and the person who wrote it was actually writing about 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:03.080 up the mod scene and just like transposible to details 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:05.400 to be about disco. And I'm like, that's what's good 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:08.040 about it. It It doesn't matter what the scene. But he's 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:09.879 he's very firm of like, yeah, but there are no 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:12.880 good disco movies. There's no movie about like Paradise Garage. 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:16.760 There's like fifty four and and just like why it's 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.479 so hard for people to make a good artifact about 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:23.200 uh dance music culture. And a lot of the best 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:27.320 things are documentaries, right, I mean down for any old 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:31.080