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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome back to Bachler Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: I am Joe and I'm Serena, and we are.

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Speaker 1: Back with another recap of GEN season. This is episode

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Speaker 1: four four four. I will say I've been I've recapped

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Speaker 1: a bunch of episodes. I've been doing this podcast for

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Speaker 1: a while clickbait I did before this, so I've been

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Speaker 1: watching the show forever now, And I will say that this,

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Speaker 1: you know, like this, this episode, I didn't even have

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Speaker 1: to take notes. This was one of the more entertaining

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Speaker 1: episodes of the Bachelorette or The Bachelor that I think

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Speaker 1: I've ever watched. I don't know why. I think I

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Speaker 1: just enjoyed every storyline, but I was very entertained.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I was the opposite. I took like

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Speaker 3: so many notes in this episode. I kept like pausing

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Speaker 3: it and rewinding and re listening to things people were

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Speaker 3: saying and writing down quotes because there was just so much.

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Speaker 2: I was overwhelmed by it all. I think.

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Speaker 3: A good episode of The Bachelor standard has like some

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Speaker 3: good love moments and some good drama moments. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: I feel like this one had so many storylines that

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Speaker 3: were interesting and engaging and unique and crazy that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was just a jam packed episode in a really

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Speaker 3: good way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think we let's let's break this down

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Speaker 1: from like, Okay, well they are in They're in New Zealand,

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Speaker 1: so we know that that's location, beautiful, beautiful place.

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Speaker 2: We start off with a chat between Jen and Jesse.

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Speaker 3: Did you know that they stopped doing food on dates

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Speaker 3: after Jesse season because he was chowing down so hard.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that, but it makes sense after watching

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Speaker 1: him eat just in this and this episode, because he

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Speaker 1: was he was going to town in this episode.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I knew that eating on the dates wasn't

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Speaker 3: really a thing because like, it sounds gross. You don't

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Speaker 3: want to listen to people chewing blah blah blah, and

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Speaker 3: you want to focus on like the conversation versus the eating.

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Speaker 3: But watching the clips of him chowing on corn on

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Speaker 3: the cob on his one one dates and like slurfing noodles, I.

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Speaker 2: Was like, this is so funny.

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Speaker 1: Someone had to be the guinea pig, and it was

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Speaker 1: it was Jesse.

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Speaker 2: It was Jesse.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the camel or the straw that broke

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Speaker 3: the camel's back with the food on the date situation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we have she gives her first Her first

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Speaker 1: one on one date goes to Samm.

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Speaker 2: Sam m Sam H.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to learn a little more about him. I

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Speaker 1: want to see how his how we see him a

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Speaker 1: lot basically, just like him arguing with Devin and his

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Speaker 1: interaction with the guys, but I want to see like

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Speaker 1: a more vulnerable side of him with Jen. So I'm

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Speaker 1: happy that he got the date so we get to

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Speaker 1: learn a little more about him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like Samm we've seen that he's a

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Speaker 3: passionate person. He's physically super passionate with Jen. He's super

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Speaker 3: passionate about his hate towards Devin. He's got some strong feelings. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and him and Jen definitely have a spark a connection.

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Speaker 3: But if I'm being honest, up until this point in

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Speaker 3: the season, I haven't really seen Jen have like a

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Speaker 3: deep emotional connection with anyone. Like She's had some good conversations.

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Speaker 3: She definitely has some sex chemistry with some people. But

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Speaker 3: I'm waiting to see those relationships really develop. And i

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Speaker 3: think it's obvious that we know she likes Sam and

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Speaker 3: it's a good time for them to progress the relationship further.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, So it doesn't start off great for Samon. No,

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Speaker 1: it's like, actually, it's pretty hard to watch at the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So she's sitting there and it's like, Okay, hey, surprise,

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Speaker 1: someone just jumped.

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Speaker 2: Off the top of this building.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at the top of this building, which is very high.

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Speaker 3: And we know at this point she hates heights because

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Speaker 3: she was very vocal about it when they did the

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Speaker 3: skydiving date. And this date starts off and it's very romantic,

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Speaker 3: like they're sitting at a restaurant, They're looking at these

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Speaker 3: beautiful views of the city and the tone shifts to

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Speaker 1: Well, she's very scared and he so the waiter comes

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Speaker 1: by like, ask, would you like to would you like

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Speaker 1: to basically jump off the building? I forget exactly what

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Speaker 1: it's called, but you're gonna jump off the building sky

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Speaker 1: jump the sky jump, which is very popular in this

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's like a regional thing. I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah shift, yeah, true, that's funny, and he sent she's

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Speaker 1: freaking out and he steps in is like, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do it, Like you're doing it as well, and she's like,

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Speaker 1: you're you're not not. This is like worse than ordering

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Speaker 1: food for me. You're gonna You're gonna basically tell me

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Speaker 1: I'm jumping off this building, which was a crazy move

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Speaker 1: and very in like it would make more sense if

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Speaker 1: it was like I don't know if I should, and

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Speaker 1: like she was kind of like indicating like push me

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Speaker 1: to do it. We're playing around, we're flirting, jump in

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Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Then that's exactly what I said when I watched this.

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Speaker 3: I was like if she was giving off the like oh,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, like it sounds a little scary, and

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Speaker 3: he was more just being encouraging, like let's do it.

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Speaker 2: I got you.

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Speaker 3: We'll do it together like you see on the fence,

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Speaker 3: but like if you want to do it, like I'm

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Speaker 3: here to do it with you, but.

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Speaker 1: Let's do a shot. Let's do it and yeah, yeah, like.

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Speaker 3: You've done that with me before where it's like I'm

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's with like like a cold.

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Speaker 3: Plunge exactly like when we do cold plunches and I'm

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Speaker 3: scared and we put on tunes and you hype me up,

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Speaker 3: but she is terrified of heights, Like she has legitimate

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Speaker 3: fear of heights. She didn't want to go skydiving. I

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Speaker 3: highly doubt she wants to jump off this building. And

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Speaker 3: he immediately is like, no, we're doing it, and you

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Speaker 3: can see she's frustrated with him about it, and his

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Speaker 2: But it didn't. It just felt like they were not

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Speaker 3: They were very It was It wasn't even like an

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Speaker 3: argument where I was like, oh, like she's being like

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Speaker 3: very weird. It felt like there was no communication happening,

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Speaker 3: or at least no effective communication.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was watching im like, are either we're missing

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Speaker 2: Totally different pages.

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Speaker 3: I was like, maybe he's used to being with like

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Speaker 2: And I would be upset if I was her too.

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Speaker 3: I think if I really didn't want to do something

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Speaker 3: not considering my feelings about the situation and was kind

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Speaker 3: really didn't want to do without inquiring why or like

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Speaker 3: how he could support her through it. Like I just

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Speaker 3: felt like they needed to have a much, much more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I watched it. I was like, I was

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Speaker 1: watching I was watching it, and I was like, it

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Speaker 1: almost feels like like I don't know how Sam didn't

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Speaker 1: pick up on at the beginning, like I'm now overstepping

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Speaker 3: Like it like it's one thing for him to jump

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Speaker 1: Be like that's what Yes, you know, that's what I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was waiting for too, for him

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Speaker 3: to be like I got excited. I thought that you

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Speaker 3: would maybe want to do this too, But I'm totally okay.

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Speaker 3: To not do it if you don't want to. But

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Speaker 3: it just felt like that light bulb never went off

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I was like, yeah, I was in my head.

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Speaker 1: I was like the jen say like push me to

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Speaker 1: do but it was clearly she didn't want to do

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Speaker 3: He said something like she needs to get comfortable being uncomfortable. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: which almost made me think he realized how scared she

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Speaker 3: an amazing, memorable speriend which.

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Speaker 1: Kind of ends up, which is actually ends up what happened.

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Speaker 2: Totally after he like you know, pushes through the point

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so they go out, They go on top

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Speaker 1: walking around it, it's worse than jumping off. Once I

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Speaker 3: There's nothing I want to do less then hang off

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Speaker 3: a tall building. Yeah, Like same as me, walk, I

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Speaker 3: harness me up and I will run off this building.

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Speaker 3: That get me to the ground as soon as possible.

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Speaker 3: I want to spend as little time on the platform

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Speaker 1: What would you? What would you? What would you if

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Speaker 1: you had to choose an option to be hanging off

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Speaker 3: No, I have to hang off the building. I can't

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Speaker 3: I just I can't be involved with the ocean in

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Speaker 3: the in the middle of the night time.

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Speaker 1: The ocean in the middle of the night is a

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Speaker 1: scary place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's probably scary than we even know because

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Speaker 3: so much of it is undiscovered. I would hang off

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Speaker 3: that building for twenty four hours before you drop me

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the ocean. With that being said,

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Speaker 3: I would jump off the building before I hung off

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Speaker 1: So we see, I just knew that with.

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Speaker 2: That's my biggest spirit that's my bigges, sheites.

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Speaker 1: I knew that would get you, and then we yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean they basically she's still like, they're still kind

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Speaker 1: of arguing out there, and then finally Jen breaks down.

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Speaker 1: She starts crying, and then Sam consoles her, and he's

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Speaker 1: kind of like, just don't do it, which it was like, okay,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, way fall off the building, and she like won't

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Speaker 3: even look at him. I literally just want to shake

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I think, like you said, I

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of like, yeah, and just maybe like

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Speaker 1: It was it was pretty hard to watch. I'm not

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Speaker 4: I was like, this is bizarre, and I'm gonna be honest,

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Speaker 3: And I also think Devin, as much as like I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was. It was. It was really rough.

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Speaker 3: Like he clearly put the trophy down in that spot

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Speaker 1: Which he did, which he did, and he pulls her first,

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Speaker 3: And I actually thought the jersey thing was cute, like

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Speaker 1: And she, unfortunately says, Sam, I need to walk you out.

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Speaker 2: Which I think was the right decision.

442
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I think like and we interviewed him

443
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 1: and he's a nice guy. I just feel like I

444
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 1: really feel like this just was not his element.

445
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we just see like Thomas n tries to

446
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,919
Speaker 3: pull him aside in his yellow polo that I just

447
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 3: need him to throw in the donation Ben because I

448
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 3: can't see it in another episode. Thomas, if you're listening,

449
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 3: you have a great wardrobe.

450
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:14,360
Speaker 2: Okay.

451
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 3: I seen you in some really good looks. I've seen

452
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 3: this yellow pole three weeks in a row. You're a

453
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 3: handsome dude. Does nothing for you.

454
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 2: It's not your color.

455
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 3: I think we can as your friend. I'm telling you,

456
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 3: like it's time to let that thing go. That's how

457
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 3: I stand.

458
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:33,120
Speaker 1: Okay, another thing you feel partially about it? I really

459
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: feel What did he say? What was that conversation between the.

460
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 2: Greenswar did the beginn the episode look great on him?

461
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: What? What did they when he interrupted Thomas? How did that

462
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 1: go again?

463
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 2: Pull Thomas aside?

464
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 3: I think because all the guys were just like enough

465
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 3: is enough, and they're trying to talk to him, and

466
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 3: sam En is just like, mind your business. This has

467
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,199
Speaker 3: nothing to do with your time with Jen, so like

468
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 3: you should just mind your business. And it doesn't really

469
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,199
Speaker 3: match the situation what he claiming, like it's not like

470
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 3: these guys are spending their time with Jen talking about him,

471
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 3: like they're all just chilling on the couch. Only one

472
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 3: person gets to talk to her at a time. Yeah,

473
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 3: and he's rubbing them the wrong way and they're kind

474
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: of just telling him, like, you got to cool it, man.

475
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I liked when somebody's like, it's this isn't even

476
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: about gen right now, Like, yeah, we're just like all

477
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: sitting here trying to get along, like exactly what you

478
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 1: what are you doing?

479
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's acting like he won the whole thing

480
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 3: when it was a team effort. He's using phrases like

481
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 3: boss bitch energy and how she only is just boss.

482
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot about the boss bitch energy. That was

483
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: That was bad. That might have been that was that

484
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: was really bad. But the one the one highlight of

485
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 1: this group date was Marcus gets the group date.

486
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 3: Rose Yes and Marcus and her have a chat talking

487
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 3: about he hurt his shoulder during the rugby game.

488
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: He's the only one on the date that actually played rugby.

489
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wrecks his shoulder at the beginning. And I

490
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 3: thought their conversation was really great, really powerful. I thought

491
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 3: she did a great job of being there for him

492
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 3: and providing a safe space for him to open up

493
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 3: if he felt comfortable to do so, without pushing him

494
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: to a place that maybe he wasn't comfortable going.

495
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree with well said.

496
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Speaker 3: And he said something along the lines of, oh my god,

497
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 3: this this really broke my hairt when he says, he said,

498
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 3: hurting about anything sometimes means hurting about everything. And you

499
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 3: just know we've heard his story on his one on

500
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 3: one date. He's been through a lot of very serious

501
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 3: life events and he got emotional when he got the rose,

502
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 3: and honestly it was I was really happy to see

503
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 3: her give him that rose. I agree, because I think

504
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: that reassurance meant so much to him, and I think

505
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 3: you would hopefully only encourage him to feel the strength

506
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 3: to be vulnerable more and more throughout this journey.

507
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 1: Agreed. And then we go to Devin's. Devin gets to

508
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: one on one and I thought, overall, I think this

509
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: date went really well.

510
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually went really well.

511
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

512
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: I think there was way more chill than I expect

513
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 2: him to be.

514
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious. I'm curious where her head was before

515
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 1: going into it. But I really think like after the date,

516
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: she's feels pretty connected to this guy. Uh to me

517
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: after that date, he's he looks like definitely, he's definitely

518
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: one of the front runners.

519
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

520
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 3: I think at this point her strongest connections actually might

521
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 3: be Sam m and Devin the two one on one

522
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 3: dates this week.

523
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: Maybe, And then I would say maybe Marcus.

524
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: Marcus is up there. Grant is up there.

525
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 3: We didn't see too much of him this episode. He

526
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 3: had a couple of funny lines. Jonathan actually had a

527
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 3: really really cute moment playing lacrosse together on the group date.

528
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I Jonathan. He's one of my favorite people

529
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: in the house.

530
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's great. So there's definitely a couple of guys.

531
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 3: But Sam and Devin obviously had the one of ones

532
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 3: this week, so we were able to see their connections

533
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 3: really grow. And I feel like week four and five

534
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 3: are such pivotal moments when you're contestant on the show

535
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 3: of like if the connection has started growing, like this

536
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 3: is the turning port where things are just starting to

537
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: go from like let's get to know each other and

538
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 3: see if we like each other to okay, is this

539
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 3: something serious?

540
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? And I do think yeah, And I think with

541
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: Devin and Jen it is definitely becoming And even with Sam,

542
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: it's they're all they're becoming serious, like they're becoming serious relationships.

543
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: They're talking about their past relationships, they're families, how they

544
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: grew up. They're being open and vulnerable with each other.

545
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: So they are definitely both moving in that direction.

546
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they bonded over you know. Devin says his

547
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: father was an immigrant from Mexico and his parents split,

548
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 3: and then at the night portion they dive more into

549
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: just the similarities between their upbringings and how they both

550
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 3: don't have the most well. Jen actually says she doesn't

551
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 3: have a relationship with her father, I think at all anymore.

552
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: And Devin's relationship with his dad is a little bit

553
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: more distant as well.

554
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

555
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 3: I thought he spoke about his childhood and his past

556
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 3: and his relationships with his parents very maturely, and there's

557
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 3: clearly been a lot of like reflection and growth done there.

558
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 3: He even admits, like, you know, I maybe wasn't the

559
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 3: best kid, and I idolized my dad.

560
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: For these reasons.

561
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: And you can just see how he's grown to have

562
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 3: this admiration for his mom, who really worked and took

563
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: care of him. And raised him, and I thought it

564
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: was like a really vulnerable moment from him, and I

565
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 3: thought it was nice to be able to see Jen

566
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 3: really connect with someone on a deep level over something

567
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: that they have in common.

568
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was This was a big and this was

569
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: a big episode because we get we get that from

570
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: from two guys. So yeah, I think I think Sam

571
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: m and Devin are they both got the one on ones,

572
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: and I would say after both of their dates, they

573
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: are both in a much better position that they wore

574
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: going in.

575
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would say.

576
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: The only person that I would say is not in

577
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 3: a great spot with Jen would have been sam N

578
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: if she hadn't sent him home.

579
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: Well yeah, Sam, and I was. I was samn was

580
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: going home this episode, whether or not she sent them

581
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: home or didn't give him a rose. Okay. And then

582
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: the last the last part of the episode, which oh

583
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: my god.

584
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 2: I almost totally forgot about this. I was like, wait

585
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: a second, there was no cocktail party. What happened.

586
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that we're getting Jen on this week

587
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: because I need to ask her more about this relationship.

588
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: So Jen's X one of her acts and this is

589
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: not the toxic X. This was an X that she

590
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: still got along with. They dated early on and then

591
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: they RecA later later, like a few years later.

592
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: She said they dated for like three to four months,

593
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: or he said, Matthew is his name. They dated for

594
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 3: about three to four months three years ago. But it

595
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: seems like they've kind of been on and off since

596
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: they they dated, maybe like as friends, as more than friends.

597
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 2: And he's coming to tell Jen that he's in love.

598
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 3: With her, yeah, which I wonder if he's if they've

599
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 3: ever said they were in love with each other before.

600
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna ask her because I need to know, because

601
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: like her.

602
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: I mean, she was supposed to be going to Colombia

603
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 3: on a trip with them, and then to two weddings.

604
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: It sounds like yeah, like like recently.

605
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: But that doesn't that doesn't mean it was serious. It

606
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: could have just meant like, hey, we're single, let's have

607
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: some fun.

608
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: To be honest, her reaction was very shocked, but also

609
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: she wasn't it wasn't like it. I wasn't like, oh,

610
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: this was a serious boyfriend. It almost seems like they

611
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: it was a casual it's it's it seemed like it

612
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: was a casual relationship, and she was like, whoa I

613
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: didn't know you had these feelings.

614
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: Or maybe it like teetered the line of are we

615
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: going to take it to that next level?

616
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: And they just never did.

617
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: Did who broke it off with?

618
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think so.

619
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: You know what was crazy I've never seen them do

620
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: this on the show is they broke.

621
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: The fourth wall.

622
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: When Jesse Palmer's talking directly to the audience, I was like,

623
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: what is going on right now?

624
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: Like is this fairest Beula? Like what is happening?

625
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: Like I don't like I've ever seen them do that

626
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: in the show, Like Jesse Palmer is dead ass talking

627
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: to the camera about Jen filming her be rolled down

628
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: by the harbor with her producer, Like I'm looking at

629
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: one of our producers on screen. I was like, what

630
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: is going on? Like it was just so so like

631
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: off brand for the show. But I liked it. I

632
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: enjoyed it. I was just really really taking it back,

633
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: Like Jesse Palmer's looking in my eyes was like, what

634
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: is going on? I guess they do do that actually

635
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: at reunion shows, just rarely on the actual show, and

636
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: they like rarely ever mentioned like the.

637
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: Work that goes into filming the show.

638
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: What do you Okay, So we're gonna ask Jen a

639
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: bunch of questions about her past relationship with Matthew and

640
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: how she felt when he showed up, but overall, what

641
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: is your opinion on him as of now? And how

642
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: do you think the audience is going to respond?

643
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: I don't know how the audience is going to respond.

644
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: I think it'll be easier to see once the next

645
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: episode comes out, like how this all plays out. I

646
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: liked him. I think he seemed really nice, very nice.

647
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: He really wasn't giving bad intentions to me.

648
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just worry that, Like, I think it's gonna

649
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: be hard for him not to get the wrap of

650
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: like you just want to be on the Bachelor.

651
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: Which I don't think he does.

652
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: I don't think I really don't get that vibe. I

653
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: don't get that vibe either, But I think I think

654
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: a lot of guys are gonna push.

655
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: That one hundred percent. People are gonna push that. I mean,

656
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 3: that's always going to be a question in people's minds

657
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: of you've known her for all these years and now

658
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: she's on a TV show and you're here. But I

659
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: don't know, Like I can't imagine. Maybe this is just

660
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: because I wouldn't ever do this, like someone going on

661
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: a show that like I wasn't interested in. But I

662
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: was like casually dating for years, and I was like,

663
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Speaker 3: you know what I'm gonna do is get my ass

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Speaker 3: on TV and be a fraud and fly to New

665
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Speaker 3: zeal And, fly my ass twenty four hours to New

666
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 3: Zealand on my own dime, to wreck up her life

667
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Speaker 3: a little bit for a few days and get my

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Speaker 3: twenty seconds of fame. Like what like, yeah, I agree, No,

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Speaker 3: Like I just you got like, I just really don't

670
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Speaker 3: think I would say a very very small portion of

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Speaker 3: the population she would ever do that. And this guy

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Speaker 3: is not giving me that.

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Speaker 1: Well said, we are on the same page and I

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Speaker 1: like them too.

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Speaker 3: But do you think she should if she's interested, Let's

676
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: say she's curious about where the relationship go could go,

677
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: do you think she should keep him? Because we have

678
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: seen leads bring people on late before.

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00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Nick from Nick went on Caitlin season, but

680
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: he was on a previous Bachelorette. We saw Blake Wayins

681
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: go on Katie season. I just I think it's hard

682
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Speaker 1: because I do think I do think there's a part

683
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Speaker 1: of Jen that has to be aware of that there

684
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: is an audience, and I do think it's gonna be

685
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: hard for people to be like, well, why the fuck

686
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Speaker 1: didn't you guys figure this out before you agreed to

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Speaker 1: be the bachelorette. And I think her answer could be

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00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: simple of just like, yeah, I just didn't know his

689
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: feelings were that strong, and now and now knowing that,

690
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: maybe my feelings were stronger than I'm aware of. But

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Speaker 1: I think, I mean, listen, I think if she if

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00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: she really has feelings for him, regardless of what people

693
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Speaker 1: are gonna think, I think she keeps she should keep

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Speaker 1: them if the feelings are still there, If she is

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00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: really just like I I will never end up with

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Speaker 1: this guy, then let him go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so hard.

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Speaker 3: I think if I was going to keep him, I

699
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: would maybe say like, We're gonna give it a week

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Speaker 3: and then I'm gonna make like a hard decision.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good way to test how you're

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Speaker 1: really feeling about the people that you are feeling that's true,

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00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, like she could really now go back to

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Speaker 1: the Sam's and the Devins and be like, hmm.

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Speaker 3: The thing is, if I'm a contestant, I mean, look,

706
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Speaker 3: if I'm a contest. I'm like, it's her decision, it's

707
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: her season, it's her show. But I would have a

708
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: really hard time with it because I would be sitting

709
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: there like I can't compete with an X. You've known

710
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: this guy for three years, even if you weren't dating.

711
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: Him the whole time, that.

712
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: Wouldn't phase me at all.

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Speaker 3: I would just be like I just wouldn't be thrilled

714
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Speaker 3: that he was there. I mean, I would never be

715
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: a jerk to him, but I'm sure some of the

716
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Speaker 3: guys will be.

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Speaker 1: I would. I would, I would never be mean to him,

718
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: but in my head, I would really feel like I

719
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't even pay him, Like I wouldn't care, But I

720
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: would feel like I have the advantage because if you

721
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: guys couldn't figure this out for three years, for three

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Speaker 1: years exactly.

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Speaker 3: Probably not going to figure it out now, right, I agree, Well,

724
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Speaker 3: that's my mentality Also why I don't think she should

725
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Speaker 3: keep him. You know, if you've had three years of

726
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 3: history and you haven't figured it out yet, I don't

727
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: know if you're going to figure it out now, And like,

728
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 3: you should give these guys a hundred of a full

729
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 3: shot without comparing them to someone that you have like

730
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Speaker 3: all this history with outside of this.

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Speaker 1: Situation. I thought I knew.

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Speaker 3: I there's not really a clear right or wrong answer.

733
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Speaker 3: It's really whatever her heart's telling her.

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Speaker 1: I knew in the teaser that we were going to

735
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Speaker 1: get like someone from her past comes back. I just

736
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Speaker 1: associated it with Charity season when Aaron came back, and

737
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: I constantly forget that he was on her season, So

738
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Speaker 1: it wasn't like it was like true X, and I

739
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: just thought it was going to end up being like

740
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: where it was too late. Yeah, but he kind of

741
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: is coming back where it isn't too late.

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Speaker 3: It's like right before the windows fully shut, where she's like,

743
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Speaker 3: my relationships with these guys are so far along, like

744
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: I'm falling in love, like I could see myself with

745
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: some of these guys, and she's not quite there yet.

746
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: I guess I've said it like five times.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, so have I.

749
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Speaker 3: They should add it to the vocabulary of the show

750
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 3: and all the freaking lines that are getting thrown around

751
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 3: twenty four to seven. But yeah, it's like right before

752
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 3: the window of opportunity shut. He's snuck in and he's

753
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 3: not some dude, but this guy seems like a genuinely

754
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: nice guy, and I think she's actually curious about where

755
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: it could go. And she's not really far along with

756
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: these guys yet, where it's like the door shut to

757
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 3: someone new entering the journey. I think the smoothest option,

758
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: with the least turbulence is to politely send him home,

759
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: but I know that's easier said than done if she

760
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: really has strong feelings for him.

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Speaker 1: And then we think maybe if she wasn't asked to

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Speaker 1: be the bachelorette, would she have explored that relationship because

763
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Speaker 1: from her season, wasn't a daisy who went back off

764
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Speaker 1: the show and then kind of like got back with.

765
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 2: I got got back with a guy from her past,

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Speaker 2: a guy that.

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Speaker 1: She used to date, so like it does.

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Speaker 2: Happen people get back with their exes.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll find out. We'll ask her later this week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a lot of questions and unanswered, unanswered questions.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you stay tuned to the episode with Jen

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Speaker 1: it's coming out. And thank you guys so much for

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Speaker 1: listening to Beta Happy Hour, Subscribe, download, listen you don't

774
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: have to do it in that

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Speaker 3: Order, and thank you, and yeah, what Jo said, thanks

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Speaker 3: for listening bye,