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Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, Emily Abody. Here. You are listening to episode

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Speaker 2: two hundred and forty four of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast.

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Speaker 2: Reconnect with everyone from your favorite athletes to top experts

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Speaker 2: and industry CEOs about their highest highs, toughest moments, and

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Speaker 2: everything in between. We all go through hurdles in life,

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Speaker 2: and my goal through these discussions is to empower you

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Speaker 2: you can stride towards your own big potential and of

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Speaker 2: course have some fun along the way. For today's episode,

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Speaker 2: I am chatting with Elizabeth Cutler. She is one of

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Speaker 2: the original founders of Soul Cycle and she's got a

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Speaker 2: that is Peoplehood. I am so excited for this episode.

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Speaker 2: I'd be remiss if I didn't say that both Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: and her co founder Julie Rice were on my original

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Speaker 2: list of guests that I hoped to talk to you

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Speaker 2: one day. When you talk about individuals who have made

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Speaker 2: that is such a major industry. Elizabeth's name is totally

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Speaker 2: bringing this chat to the feed. Elizabeth and I, like

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Speaker 2: I said, are talking a lot about her new venture

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Speaker 2: called Peoplehood. For those that may be unfamiliar with it,

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Speaker 2: the New York Times are referred to it as soul

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Speaker 2: conversation designed to improve our relationships. I believe that Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: to share their feelings. Again, a huge, huge, huge thank

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Speaker 2: you to Elizabeth, So grateful for your time. Make sure

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Speaker 2: you're following along with Hurdle over at Hurdle Podcast, I

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Speaker 2: the new concept Peoplehood. How are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: It is kind of beautiful. What we won't do in

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Speaker 1: it easy to develop a practice, right because you only

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Speaker 1: get the results from something if you do it on

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Speaker 1: a repetitive basis, and so that was sort of what

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Speaker 1: we did.

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Speaker 2: So what I'm hearing you say is that it was

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Speaker 2: really the concept that was hard to get people to

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Speaker 2: sign on to right away, and that was why there

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Speaker 2: was such a dire need to create this really special

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Speaker 2: different experience. I mean, for those that don't know, you

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Speaker 2: couldn't even put external signage on the original Soul Cycle

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Speaker 2: because it was a landmark.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you learn every day. It would have

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Speaker 1: been nice to have a sign but no, that's true,

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Speaker 1: but the rent was cheap, so that was a good

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Speaker 1: way to start. Listen, you know, Soul Cycle allowed us

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Speaker 1: to kind of really understand what it means to occupy

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Speaker 1: our bodies, what it means to feel alive, what it

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Speaker 1: means to get through things, what it means to like

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Speaker 1: do that in community, And that was a big that

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Speaker 1: was the lead in right to peoplehood because we really

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Speaker 1: do think that the ability for people to grant themselves

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Speaker 1: one hour could be one hour, it could be one

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Speaker 1: hour a day. It could be one hour when you

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Speaker 1: have it, but that gift of yourself of one hour

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Speaker 1: to listen to yourself think and to hear someone else,

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Speaker 1: it is just so. It's a profound experience, and we

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Speaker 1: want people to be able to leave something feeling higher

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Speaker 1: than when they work walked in, and have whatever they

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Speaker 1: do in that room be additive in the rest of

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Speaker 1: their lives outside of that room.

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Speaker 2: You said that it's important for you to have secular

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Speaker 2: spaces to come to. Let's say, like for release, what

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Speaker 2: else is important for you for Elizabeth?

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Speaker 1: To take care of Elizabeth, I think the best for me.

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Speaker 1: I take care of myself the way a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are, like. I'm starting to prioritize my sleep. I

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Speaker 1: am thinking about food as something I enjoy, but also

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Speaker 1: food as medicine, lifting weights because I want to have

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Speaker 1: muscles as I age and protect my bones. And I'm

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Speaker 1: prioritizing sleep, and I'm thinking about what a e And

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Speaker 1: I am investing in my friendships, and I'm spending time

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Speaker 1: with people that I care about, and I am getting

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Speaker 1: curious about new things.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like a lot of opportunity.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty awesome. I'm having a good time.

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Speaker 2: Talk to me first and foremost about why you felt

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Speaker 2: like you had maybe done all that you could when

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Speaker 2: you left Soul Cycle.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny, it seems so long ago for Julie

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Speaker 1: and I really felt like there was something else and

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Speaker 1: that we wanted to make something else that could serve

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Speaker 1: people more easily to meet them where they were, and

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Speaker 1: we weren't really sure what that was. And we love

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Speaker 1: Soul Cycle and we hated leaving Soul Cycle, but you know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes your numbers up and it just is. So we

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Speaker 1: took a little bit of a beat and we just

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Speaker 1: started doing tons of research about like what it acts

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Speaker 1: actually was that we loved about being in that room,

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Speaker 1: and what we actually loved about being in the office,

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Speaker 1: and what we actually loved about being in community with

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Speaker 1: the people that we had come to meet. And we

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Speaker 1: found that we realized, like we're all in these relationships

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Speaker 1: with everybody, and we need to create something that we

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Speaker 1: need And the truth is that with Peoplehood, we just

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Speaker 1: hope that relationships become just as prioritized. I prioritized just

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Speaker 2: coming out of a pandemic. So bring me through the

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Speaker 2: kind of thought process your knee deep in starting and

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Speaker 2: concepting peoplehood. And then we get to this place where

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Speaker 2: connection as we know it has completely come to a halt.

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Speaker 2: Where are you? What's going on? Paint a picture for me.

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Speaker 1: We had just started workshopping the gathers in person, and

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Speaker 1: we had been begging our friends to come and help us,

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Speaker 1: and to be honest, it was kind of cringey. They

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Speaker 1: weren't good yet. But we had to start somewhere, and

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Speaker 1: we were so happy that we did. It was so

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Speaker 1: so much fun to be back in the creative mode

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Speaker 1: and we started to see some kernels that were really

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Speaker 1: sparked by those experiences, and at the same time, then

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Speaker 1: when COVID hit and we couldn't get together in person,

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Speaker 1: we really looked at, Okay, how long is this going

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Speaker 1: to go on? Will this ever happen again? And it

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Speaker 1: was kind of a great force for us because we

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Speaker 1: had always wanted to build soul Cycle and Peloton and

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Speaker 1: lockstep with one another, and there are a variety of

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Speaker 1: different reasons why that didn't pan out that way, and

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Speaker 1: we felt like this was a fabulous opportunity for us

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Speaker 1: to be able to do that. Actually, so we turned

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Speaker 1: Lemons into Lemonade and start experimenting with what we could

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Speaker 1: do online to create connection and doing tons of research

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Speaker 1: and looking at what people had found that sparked that

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Speaker 1: kind of dose of humanity that we were after, and

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Speaker 1: we landed on this sixty minute experience. We workshopped that

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Speaker 1: in person and online for over a year, and then

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Speaker 1: we started building the technology and the physical space to

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Speaker 1: meet those needs, and that's how we got to today.

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Speaker 2: You said the P word, not me, So I'm just

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Speaker 2: going to ask, was the rise of Peloton like another

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Speaker 2: reason why you felt like it was time for you

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Speaker 2: to move on. No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: Julie and I have always a million percent felt like

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Speaker 1: people need to get healthy and we don't really care

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Speaker 1: where they're doing that. Of course we want them to

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Speaker 1: do that with us, But yeah, Amen is right, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's why we've taken on such a you know,

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Speaker 1: a big thing like loneliness epidemic as sort of our

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Speaker 1: next dive in because we don't really care how people

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Speaker 1: do it. We just want people to get connected, to

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Speaker 1: be honest, like, we've been at this now for four years,

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Speaker 1: and we thought that there would be a lot of

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Speaker 1: other stuff that had sort of come up in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: and we haven't seen anything out there that we think

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Speaker 1: is serving and the way that we think it should.

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Speaker 1: So if we can bring this to market and other

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Speaker 1: things come to market and we can all do this together,

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Speaker 1: I think that we can experience a global shift and

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Speaker 1: it's important for us to try. We have to do it.

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Speaker 1: It's just we can't not do it. There's too much

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Speaker 1: at stake. Does this feel bigger than you? Way bigger,

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Speaker 1: way bigger? Is this is way way bigger than us,

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Speaker 1: And it is absolutely our intention to partner with people

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Speaker 1: to bring communities along to facilitate whatever it takes for

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Speaker 1: people to get into these kind of connected spaces to

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Speaker 1: make this available no matter where you are and what

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Speaker 1: you need. We are really committed to making that happen,

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Speaker 1: and we're just starting here. It's been a week.

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Speaker 2: It's been a week. You know what's interesting to me,

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Speaker 2: It would be impossible to think about the concept of

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Speaker 2: peoplehood and not draw parallels to maybe other ways that

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Speaker 2: individuals are choosing to indulge in mental health, self care,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. Now, I'm sure that someone who sees a

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Speaker 2: peoplehood bundle at fifty five dollars for three different classes

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Speaker 2: might feel like that is a way more accessible way

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Speaker 2: for them to talk with other individuals than seeking out

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Speaker 2: talk therapy. What do you say to that person.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, if you think you need to

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Speaker 1: be in therapy, you should be in therapy. We are

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Speaker 1: all for therapy. This is love therapy. We love therapy.

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Speaker 1: This is not therapy. We think that there needs to

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Speaker 1: be to really have the kind of health support that

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Speaker 1: we need as humans to thrive, That we need a

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Speaker 1: peer to peer structure, and that that structure can equip

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Speaker 1: us to be able to listen to each other, to

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Speaker 1: share these aha moments, to understand somebody else's world, to

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Speaker 1: feel empathy, to change your perspective. And it's almost like

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Speaker 1: creating a practice that's like a workout for your relationships

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Speaker 1: that you can do on your own and then take

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Speaker 1: into the rest of your life. It's a very it's

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Speaker 1: a very powerful, powerful thing that we're leaning into and

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Speaker 1: we've been seeing people experience real sparks with this thing,

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Speaker 1: so and we want to make it accessible. So the

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Speaker 1: way that we have positioned it in terms of pricing,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's pretty amazing, actually, Like I mean,

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Speaker 1: I went to the movies the other night, and I

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Speaker 1: love going to the movies. It's very expensive. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's just not a lot of places where you're going

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Speaker 1: to get this kind of value for that kind of money.

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Speaker 2: Over the last three years, what has loneliness looked like

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Speaker 2: for you?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think it's been an ebb and flow,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, I mean, there were parts of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit introverted, so there are parts of

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Speaker 1: you know, the pandemic that felt really good to me.

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Speaker 1: But I do feel very strongly that I just felt

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Speaker 1: so disconnected from other people I remember accidentally hugging somebody

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Speaker 1: in May, I think of twenty twenty and being like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so sorry, Like I didn't mean

653
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Speaker 1: it was like outdoors, I hadn't seen this person a

654
00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: long time, and just even that physical disconnection felt so

655
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: I mean isolating, I guess is the right word. And

656
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 1: to be honest, I think it made me really question

657
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: like do I still have friends? Do I still have

658
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: a community? Are there people who I care about? Do

659
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: they care about me?

660
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: Like?

661
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: Do I matter? Does somebody love me? Like all of

662
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: these things that whether or not they are real, became

663
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: questions that I was asking myself and kind of being

664
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 1: a little bit you know, introspective about what it felt

665
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: like to come through and experience like that in terms

666
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: of just like the social shifting that happened post pandemic

667
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: and frankly, I mean, we built an online platform, and

668
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: initially I was so much more comfortable doing the online

669
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: platform off my laptop than I was being with people

670
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: and person I was really nervous about being with people

671
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: in person, and I think that that's worth investigating and understanding.

672
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: And now, of course I love being with people in

673
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: person and really enjoying these gathers.

674
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: It's totally understandable that you felt that way, and I,

675
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 2: for one, can definitely relate. It was as though I

676
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: craved community and connection. But then once we had the

677
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: opportunity to get back into the swing of things, for

678
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: lack of a better designation, it was a really big

679
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: exercise in choosing what spaces felt like they served me

680
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: and allowing myself to feel overwhelmed, allowing myself to say, okay,

681
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: like maybe today we try this, and tomorrow we try this,

682
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: and if it doesn't feel like it's okay, then that's okay, right,

683
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 2: Like having so much grace with myself as I got

684
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: back into the swing.

685
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: Of things one hundred percent. My therapist likes to call

686
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: it mercy, and I elaborate, I think I think that's

687
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: the right word, you know, grace and mercy, just allowing

688
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: whatever it is that's coming up to be there and

689
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: just sitting with it, knowing that all things pass.

690
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: Did you feel any of those feelings that you described

691
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: of a little bit of the loneliness, a little bit

692
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: of questioning of identity when you left Soul Cycle thinking

693
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: about what would be next?

694
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god, leaving Soul Cycle was like ripping out

695
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: my heart and leaving it like in the middle of

696
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: Tenth Avenue. I mean, it was horrifying. It was absolutely

697
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: so hard. I mean I loved, loved, loved being there,

698
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: and I love those people, and I hated leaving them.

699
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I hated it so so so much, and

700
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: yet I had to do it. So it's just so fascinating,

701
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: how like there are things that hurt so badly, but

702
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: we have to do them and that doesn't make them wrong,

703
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: It just makes them what they are. And eventually they

704
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: start to hurt less, and we start to be able

705
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: to find whatever it is that's more healthy, positive and

706
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: enjoyable to replace that gutting and we can move on

707
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: and we build our lives.

708
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: And we all have to do that at some point,

709
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: right it sounds like any breakup, a break up with

710
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: your business, a break up with a romantic partner. Unfortunately,

711
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: as we get older in times, friendship breakups or splits, like,

712
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: whatever the case and circumstance may be, it doesn't make

713
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: it easier knowing that it's something that has to be done.

714
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't make it easier knowing that it's something

715
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: that has to be done. In fact, it's completely terrifying

716
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: when you have the actual awareness of it and then

717
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: you really start to feel it instead of just stuff

718
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: it down. But I'm telling you, it was so big

719
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: for me that there was no stuffing and it really

720
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: shifted me. And I think there is that saying like

721
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: broken open, and in some ways that is how that's

722
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: where or that's what it became.

723
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: As you were broken open. For someone who maybe feels

724
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: as though they have gone through or are currently going

725
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 2: through a similar situation having to make a difficult decision

726
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: like this knowing that ultimately it will be for the best.

727
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: Do you have any advice or thoughts that you can

728
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: offer on how to navigate a situation like that? Does anyone?

729
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: All I can say is keep breathing, like do not

730
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: hold your breath, keep breathing, and face the day and

731
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: just do a few things. I am big on three

732
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: things a day. If there is something that I just

733
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: is difficult to do that I don't want to do,

734
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: but it is staring me in the face, and that

735
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: I am it's something that you can take action on,

736
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: because not everything is. But if there is something I

737
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: can take action on, I just those are the three

738
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: things I do.

739
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: Three things a day. I like that recommendation. It's helpful.

740
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 2: I know that when I had spoken to the team

741
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: at Peoplehood about having you on that it originally was

742
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: going to be something that I did with both you

743
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: and Julie. How do you feel stepping into spaces as

744
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: just Elizabeth? Sometimes?

745
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I listen. Julie is the greatest. I

746
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: love listening to her talk and I love doing stuff

747
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: together with her. We acknowledge that sometimes we have to

748
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: divide and conquer, because otherwise we won't be able to

749
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: meet the folks that we want to meet and that

750
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: we want to want to get to have conversations with.

751
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: I know she was disappointed that she couldn't join today,

752
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: but I'm glad you got me.

753
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: I know. No, I'm glad I got you too. Speaking

754
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: of getting you, when you think about who you are

755
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: and the person that you want to be, would you

756
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: say that they're one and the same.

757
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's so interesting that you ask that question.

758
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: I am in my fifties now. It's so funny. I

759
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: feel like all the spaces I've always been in in

760
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: my life, I've always been the youngest, on the younger

761
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: side of all the folks in the room, and now

762
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: Julie and I are kind of like in the elder

763
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: and I'm super into it because you just it is.

764
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: It's so it's high time for us to permission ourselves

765
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: to give less of a shit about if we're doing

766
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: the wrong thing or saying the wrong thing or whatever.

767
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: It is. Like, I I'm just happy. I feel content.

768
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: I feel like I can show up for the day.

769
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: I feel like I can love things into existence, that

770
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: I can enjoy being in the moment, that I can

771
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: appreciate what's come before me and look forward to that

772
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: which is coming, even in the face of all this

773
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: stuff that like the world just seems some days so

774
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: broken and I am having a massive existential crisis. And

775
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: then in the next That's why I love that question,

776
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: how are you doing really or what's true for you?

777
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: Because that could change on the hour.

778
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: Right.

779
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I feel like I'm really coming into my

780
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: own finally and it feels really good. And that is

781
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: that is that's my prayer for everyone actually, is to

782
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 1: just come into that sweet tenderness of your own heart.

783
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: A lot of people listening to this between the ages

784
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: of let's say, like let's say twenty and forty right,

785
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: and so much happens in between that period of two decades,

786
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: so much of this realization of coming into self, of

787
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 2: learning who it is that you are and who it

788
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 2: is that you want to be. And oftentimes, as we

789
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: were referencing the social media cycle earlier, it's like we

790
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: feel as though that we're supposed to have it all

791
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: figured out way too soon. And if there's anything that

792
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: I've learned as I'm slowly coming into my own and

793
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: becoming who it is that I want to be and

794
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: doing that work, is that I did not need to

795
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 2: have it figured out when I thought that I did.

796
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, No, absolutely not. And by the way,

797
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: I love how we think we can figure it out. Yeah,

798
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: Like there's a magic pill that I'm going to take.

799
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,479
Speaker 2: I'm going to walk into my bathroom in the morning,

800
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: and when I take my birth control and my anxiety medication,

801
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: I'm also going to take the pill that figures all

802
00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: of it out for me.

803
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: That's a good one.

804
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Unfortunately it doesn't work out like that.

805
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: Look, we're on a journey. Let's just like, let's just

806
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: acknowledge that we're we're all on a journey. We'll just

807
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: go together because that's what we're doing together.

808
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: And you know what, it's not even like I said,

809
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: unfortunately but fortunately right because these experiences and these things

810
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: in our life, you building soul cycle. You having that

811
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: little bit of a like what the hell is going

812
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: on with my life right now? You dealing with the

813
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: loneliness and navigating the pandemic and being intimidated to come

814
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 2: back into big spaces like this helped you. It happened

815
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 2: for you because it's brought you to where you are today,

816
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: just as all of the experiences have to bring me

817
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: to where I am sitting in front of this microphone today.

818
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And I love how you just said that,

819
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: And I think that is the most important thing for

820
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: people to here, that your success really depends on how

821
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: you're showing up today, and so don't worry about it.

822
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: All of this stuff will add up and you'll look

823
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: back and be like, oh my gosh, I had no

824
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: idea I needed to know about that thing that I

825
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: thought was insignificant that now is informing so much of

826
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. And just trust that that is going

827
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: to come together because it just does.

828
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: It just does.

829
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: So.

830
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: As I said at the top of this as we

831
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 2: wind down, now, you are a well known name in

832
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: the world of wellness and beyond that as a leading entrepreneur.

833
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: I would say, when you look in the mirror, what

834
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: is it that you see looking back at you?

835
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: You know, I think what I see looking back at

836
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 1: me is just someone who's who's trying, you know. I'm

837
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: just I'm just showing up. That's my motto. I just

838
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: show up and do the best I can, and that's

839
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: all I can do. Have you always felt like that?

840
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

841
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: I think maybe yes, like I except for except for

842
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: being less willing to accept that that's the truth, right,

843
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, having a little bit less conviction that something

844
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: has to be different than it is. It doesn't because

845
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: it's not.

846
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: This is how it is now, right. What excites you

847
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: right now at the beginning of this new.

848
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: Chapter, Well, somebody on our team set it the other day.

849
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: And the thing that really excites me, and it's pretty lofty,

850
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 1: but I have this prayer for peoplehood, that we will

851
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: touch every person, that we will touch all humans, and

852
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: that humans will feel an okayness as a result of

853
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: being touched by one another in a way that makes

854
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: them feel alive and that's my lofty wish, but we

855
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: all got to have one.

856
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, all humans is a lofty wish.

857
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: Why not?

858
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: Why not? This is like one of those like shoot

859
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: for the moon and if you miss, you'll land upon

860
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: the stars kind of things.

861
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: Well, I just think that there's an understanding that we

862
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: all live on one planet, and I don't think that

863
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: people have really grocked that till recently. We'll see, we'll

864
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: see who knows. Hopefully we'll get to touch some people

865
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: and they'll touch some people and so on and so

866
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: on and so on.

867
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a degree of separation thing. Yeah, as you

868
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: are building now, I'm sure over the years as you

869
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: built soul Cycle you received so much advice. How has

870
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 2: that advice maybe changed or differentiated this time around?

871
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: You know, I think this is really good question for

872
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: people who are building. It's super super important to look

873
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: at the landscape and to listen to people, to listen

874
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: to podcasts, to do your research, to get smart, to

875
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: make yourself better at all of those things. And at

876
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the only one who's going

877
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: to know your business better than you is you. That's it.

878
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: So I really feel like, you know, I don't know

879
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: a lot, and that's okay, and I'm going to continue

880
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: to learn as much as i can. But at the

881
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: end of the day, I think we we we all

882
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: know our business is better than anybody else, and we

883
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: have to take some comfort in that.

884
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Speaker 2: It's really interesting to me because you're saying, like, talk

885
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: to people, know the industry, et cetera, et cetera, and

886
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: you already stated that there isn't like you were expecting

887
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Speaker 2: something else to kind of come up in the years

888
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 2: that you were building peoplehood and that hasn't happened. So

889
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 2: to again be in this position where you're a pioneer

890
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: in that space, do you feel kind of comforted by

891
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: that knowing that you've done it before, or does it

892
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: really feel like the wild, wild blest?

893
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no. Let me also say that if you

894
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: build one business, there are no guarantees in life, you know.

895
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Speaker 1: I mean, just because we did what we did with

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Speaker 1: Soul Cycle, we are starting from zero today and we

897
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: are going to have to work for everything that we

898
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: may happen again. And maybe we know, maybe we know

899
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: a few things that we didn't know before. Maybe we

900
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Speaker 1: have the benefit of that wisdom, but that doesn't you know,

901
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: grit and commitment are not to be underestimated.

902
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: Grit and commitment are not to be underestimated. I love

903
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: that right now, Elizabeth, you have an opportunity to offer

904
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Speaker 2: yourself a piece of advice back in twenty sixteen, when

905
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Speaker 2: you're stepping down, preparing mentally, or at least trying to

906
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 2: for what's next during that hurdle moment again, knowing what

907
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: you know now, what would you tell yourself?

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Speaker 1: I would tell this to myself. I would tell this

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00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: to my younger self. I would tell this to anyone

910
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: in their younger selves. Don't worry about it. Just take

911
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: a deep breath. It's going to be fine. Everything's fine.

912
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: Just put one foot in front of the other. It's

913
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: all fine. It's all fine, It's all fine.

914
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Speaker 2: I'm so happy that we were able to do this,

915
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Speaker 2: and I really am thankful for the time. I feel

916
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: like when I started the show and I told people

917
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Speaker 2: that I would be talking to everyone from elite athletes

918
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: to top CEOs, the question one, are you going to

919
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: talk to the founders of soul Cycle was always inevitable.

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00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: So strangely, it's a full circle for me, and I'm

921
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: happy that, you know, a few years into the scheme

922
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Speaker 2: of things you were able to finally make it happen.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for having me. It's been

924
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: a real pleasure to get to listen to you and

925
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: to hear your perspectives. And the truth is, it's just

926
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Speaker 1: an honor and I'm so proud of what you've done.

927
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Speaker 1: You should really I hope you feel that way too.

928
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Speaker 2: Thank you. Now, for those hurdlers listening that don't follow

929
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Speaker 2: you just yet, that aren't in the loop with all

930
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 2: things peoplehood, where do they go? How can they follow along?

931
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Speaker 2: On social media? Give me the details.

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Speaker 1: We are at peoplehood dot com. There are tags there

933
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Speaker 1: for our social media it's peoplehood Underscore. Anybody who is

934
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Speaker 1: interested in learning more about peoplehood and joining gathers, we

935
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Speaker 1: are making those super available to folks, so you can

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Speaker 1: DM me. You can write to people at peoplehood dot

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Speaker 1: com and we will get you sorted, get.

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Speaker 2: You sorted amazing. I'm over at Emily Body and at

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Speaker 2: Hurdle Podcast Another Hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.