1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this the 9 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. It's that time 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: of the week, folks. It is time for our listener 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: male segment, which we do every Thursday with your help. 12 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: And as as we always say, we're tremendously fortunate to 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: have all our fellow listeners here. We have received so 14 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: much interesting correspondent, so much fascinating stuff when we've been 15 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: in the trenches with emails and with social media. Today 16 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: we're going to go to uh, some very very strange places, 17 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: and perhaps our first stop is going to be in 18 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: the distant past, which according to some folks, never happened. 19 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: That's the set up, at least according to you. N. 20 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: Here we go. This message comes from N. Hello. I'm 21 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: not sure if you've made an episode on the New chronology, 22 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: but I fell down an internet rabbit hole reading about 23 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: it last night, and it seems right up your alley. 24 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: The concept of new chronology is basically that ancient historians 25 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: over the years have badly misdated certain historical events, or 26 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: confused two accounts of the same event to be two 27 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: entirely different events, or even purposefully distorted history for the 28 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: gain of various churches and monarchs. Because much of our 29 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: historical knowledge going back thousands of years relies on the 30 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: work of these historians, we have included their version of 31 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: history in our generally accepted historical lexicon. This has artificially 32 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: extended the period of written history significantly. Now, of course, 33 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: this theory can be disproven in several ways, but it 34 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: is extremely interesting and I can see how easy it 35 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: would be to get sucked into this conspiracy. There is 36 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: one theory popularized by David Roll that's r O h L. 37 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: But the theory that captivated me was proposed by Anatoly 38 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: Fomenko f O M E n k O. Some estimates 39 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: say that as many as thirty percent of Russians believe 40 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: Fomenco's theory to be at least partially true. And I'll 41 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: try to explain the nuts and bolts of it, but 42 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: it's almost too confusing to explain this way. So first 43 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: of all, before we jump in, guys, uh N is 44 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: hitting on something that we have talked about in the past. 45 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: We covered phantom time theory, which is a whole separate thing, 46 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 1: but it's very similar. I would say, Ben, wouldn't you. Yeah? Yeah. 47 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, these two guys, Illig, who 48 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: is the progenitor of phantom time, was actually born around 49 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: the same time as Famenko. These uh, these ideas are 50 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: kind of a coke and pepsi of fringe archaeology in 51 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: that they have a lot uh, they have the same 52 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: great taste, but their adherents, uh, their adherents maintain they're 53 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: very different. But like parallel thinking, right, I mean now 54 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: like they collaborated anyway. Are we even aware of each other? 55 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: It's I don't know about that, but I I do. 56 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: I do know that these theories, these things came out 57 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: roughly around the same time. Has been as saying, And 58 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: I don't know much about role yet. I haven't looked 59 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: into that r C. Cola of this equation. But the 60 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: cheer wine Yeah yeah, but uh, yeah, they they did 61 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: come about around the same time, and and it is 62 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: like it isn't even necessarily parallel. Thinking, well, I think 63 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: it's more of analyzing what exists, what what actual written 64 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: records exist for the time periods that these guys are 65 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: looking at. Um. So let's let's jump back through here. 66 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: I guess we can just say phantom time is the 67 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: concept that the Middle Ages didn't necessarily exist the way 68 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: that it's that it supposedly occurred the years what is 69 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: it um a d six fourteen to nine eleven. We're 70 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: just fabricated. This is phantom time. These nothing happened in 71 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: those years because they didn't exist, but stories were made 72 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: up to fill that space. Charlot Charlemagne is fan fiction. 73 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: That's that's the takeaway of phantom time. A little less 74 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: than three hundred years never happened. So this is this 75 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: is a definite conspiracy theory. This is like bordering on 76 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: like Holocaust denial or something like that. Maybe a little 77 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: less extreme, but but they're essentially saying no, pay no 78 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: attention to those artifacts, you know, evidence of that time. 79 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: Is that is that right? They're they're doing some interesting stuff. 80 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: So they do differ in their methods. Uh. The idea 81 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: here is often based on not just a lack of 82 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: written records, but also discrepancies in calendars and compare contrast 83 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: of different dynasties of rulers. Famenco is a little different 84 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: because he actually uses statistics to try and correlate or 85 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: prove his point. These would be uh, mainstream historians and 86 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: archaeologists would consider this pseudo history or pseudo archaeology. But 87 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: it's a it's a fascinating concept because one of the 88 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: big arguments, Uh, one of the strangest things about it 89 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: is these guys are right in that there is a 90 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: paucity of written record the further back you go in time, 91 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: and that's just because you know, time eats all things. 92 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: Not to sound too true detective about it, No, well, 93 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: it perfectly true, detective. I would say, uh, you gotta 94 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: have a little true, detective and everything if you wanted 95 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: to be interesting. Season one, at the very least Season 96 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: three was fine. But no, I see what you're saying. 97 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, though, I mean, but aren't 98 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: those also considered like the Dark Ages kind of where 99 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of emphasis placed on historical record 100 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: and uh, writing and you know, um intelligence, Well, they're 101 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: the big difference here is so new So new Chronology 102 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: is a little more extreme maybe than phantom Time. Phantom 103 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: time specifies uh, like three centuries thereabouts in the A D. 104 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: S or the common era that never actually happened, as 105 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: Matt said, six fourteen to nine eleven. But New Chronology 106 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: essentially says, okay, we know history is mostly accurate to 107 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: about six A D. Or ce. After that, says Flamenco, 108 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: it's all, it's all malarkey. As a President Biden, let's 109 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: say yes. So if you want to learn more about 110 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,559 Speaker 1: phantom Time, you can go to the Old House Stuff 111 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: Works YouTube channel and find it. It's called stuff they 112 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: don't want you to know Dash phantom Time. And you 113 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: can also find out other places. But that's the one 114 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: that has a million views. Guys, I'm so proud of us. 115 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: We should be all right. But if you want to 116 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: learn more about Famenco's theories, you can buy his books. 117 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: There are seven volumes and they're like six hundred, seven 118 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: hundred pages long each. I want to be clear, I 119 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: haven't I have not actually read of Flamenco's work. I 120 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: have read, I've read reviews of it. I have read 121 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: some the words from supporters, and of course we're from 122 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: people who don't agree with him. But maybe maybe I 123 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: should give it a shot. Maybe I should come back 124 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: after I've read all seven volumes of history, colon fiction 125 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: or science. That's right, there's seven volumes. It'll take up 126 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: a whole space in your house. So let's go back 127 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: to End really quickly, because End does try and lay 128 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: some of this out for us. Let's just see where 129 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: we get with what End says, and maybe continue on. 130 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: Maybe this is a whole episode in the future we 131 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: show get it. I think, I think spoiler alert, I 132 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: think we're gonna get to one of the big problems 133 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: of Flamenco here in in your letter, n and it's 134 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: it's something I clocked as well. Yes, now, End says, 135 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: Flamenco's theory hinges on our chao. Should there be astrology? 136 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: Maybe the practice of dating archaeological events such as eclipses 137 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: and comparing them to recorded historical events. I believe it's 138 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: arkeo astronomy. Yes, archo astronomy. I've never heard of that. 139 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: That's that's great, Hopefully that's real. I've trust thing you've 140 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: been um and says this guy also did some statistical 141 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: analysis comparing timelines of different empires, trying to argue they 142 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: are actually accounts of the same empire. Famenco believes that 143 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: the historical Jesus Christ was born in Crete in eleven 144 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: eighty a d. That's a little different than what is 145 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: you know, believed, at least according to the record, the 146 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: official one that's in the Vatican, and he was crucified 147 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: in Constantinople roughly thirty years later. Many of the historical 148 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: cities and empires are actually different names for the same empires, 149 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: and written history only goes back to about eight hundred 150 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: a d. And says the timeline was extremely messed up 151 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: due to a combination of mistakes with early historians, historians 152 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: filling in the blanks of historical periods with modern context, 153 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: confusion between the names of empires in different languages, and 154 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: purposeful rewriting of history by the Roman Catholic Church to 155 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: retroactively make events in the Bible appear to have occurred. Now, 156 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: that is into sting. That is motive right, if we're 157 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: looking into this, and and and in Flamenco's defense, the 158 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: Catholic Church had no problem sort of reimagining and directors 159 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: cutting the past. As I talked about this before controllers 160 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: of literacy for quite a long time. There you go. 161 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: Let's continue with ND here. It's been mostly discredited I'm 162 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: assuming Famenco series, though it has never gained much traction 163 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: outside of Russia. He has been accused of ignoring historical 164 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: and astrological events that don't fit his timeline. He also 165 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: believes a lot of this history was rewritten to erase 166 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: any record of a great Russian empire, so there is 167 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: a nationalistic aspect to it as well. Ding right, and 168 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: that makes sense. It makes Russians more prone to believing 169 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: the story. According to n And says, ultimately, it's extremely 170 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: interesting and while it's mostly wrong, I think it brings 171 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: up a great point. Much of known history is based 172 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: on the works of ancient historians. I'm sure many events 173 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: have been misdated or altered based on what was modern 174 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: context at the time these histories are compiled. Obviously, through 175 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: things like carbon dating, we can get a decent idea, 176 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: but it's still important to remember much of history is 177 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: just an educated guess based on the educated guesses of 178 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: civilizations before us. And well, there's there is another aspect 179 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: here that I think and you would you would agree 180 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: with when I say this, A lot of this is 181 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: not just a matter of educated guesses, but a lot 182 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: of it is purposeful misinformation. Um for instance, historical records 183 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: that were written by the enemies of a certain civilization, 184 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: a certain culture, or a certain group. We're going to 185 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: run into this in an upcoming episode about spoiler alert 186 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: quote unquote witchcraft, no spoilers, like you said, I'm so 187 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: excited about that one. Okay, Um, well, hey, I just 188 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: want to tell everybody, if you duck duck, go this 189 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: this person's author and historian, you're theorist you will find 190 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: and all that is interesting. All that's interesting. Dot com 191 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: article that is pretty good at laying out a few 192 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: of the basics. You will find an extensive, extensive Wikipedia 193 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: page that has some pretty great links at the bottom, 194 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: which I would highly recommend you checking out. Much of 195 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: them have to be translated via Google. We like Google translate. Here. Yeah, 196 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: let's see, although they know what we're looking at then right, yes, yeah, no, 197 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: the alphabet already knows alphabet already knows what what you're 198 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: looking at. And there they're big thing. Alphabet wants to 199 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: do now is to predict what you'll look at in 200 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: the future. Yeah, so they can rewrite history. Wait wait, yeah, 201 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. But but down there you'll find all 202 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: kinds of interesting things. And I would also highly recommend 203 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: archive dot org because you can find the first book. 204 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if it is the complete book. Actually 205 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: it looks like it might be. Yeah, you can find 206 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: at least the first book in its entirety. That's where 207 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: you can really get into Jesus and whether or not 208 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,239 Speaker 1: he was, you know, born at some time around zero 209 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: or in eleven fifty three. You know, it's interesting. I've 210 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: read I can't remember where I have read this, and 211 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: I will I will, and if you want an episode 212 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: on this, I I will buy the bullet I'll read 213 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: the books and we can we can do a full 214 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: episode on on this particular type of revisionism. But um, 215 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: I read somewhere, you know, about the amount of people 216 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: who were claiming to be the Messiah or somehow messionic 217 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: during the time of the historical Jesus of Nazareth, and 218 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: it was like hundreds of people. I was I was 219 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: about to say, I can imagine, you know, it's almost 220 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: like a copycat serial Killers or something like that, you know, 221 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: only maybe a little less grim, but sure with their 222 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: i mean people nearby having heard tell, it'd be hard 223 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: to confirm who the actual real one was. And maybe 224 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: someone was hoping they could slide by and get some 225 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: fringe benefits just by claiming to be the Messiah for 226 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: a minute. I'm sure it was a pretty common flex 227 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: or they believed in it, you know, they just see 228 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: I was looking at it more as a Larry David 229 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: kind of way of like getting like a free lunch, 230 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean I bet there was an 231 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: even mix of those folks. It's just a very human 232 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: tendency look at like name accult, who's charismatic leader does 233 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: not at some point say oh, also I am the Messiah. 234 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: Like people just kind of build themselves to that position. 235 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: This is not any in any way a denigration of 236 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: religious beliefs. It's just important to note that there is 237 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: a lot of debate about the historical Jesus Christ of Nazareth, 238 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: and and it's pretty accepted that there were other I 239 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: don't want to call him competitors, but there were other 240 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: um other individuals who were claiming similar things at the 241 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: time m HM for free lane schwork for personal conviction. 242 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: There was this wizard that was hanging out in christ Church. 243 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: He should have heard the things he was saying about 244 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: the new chronology. Call back. Okay, that a call back 245 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: to listener mail that I missed because about the wizard. 246 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: They fired their wizard in New Zealand. What a cool 247 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: what a cool thing to have in the first place, 248 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: and then to be able to turn around and fire 249 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: And then it's kindly we're gonna go in like a 250 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: slightly different direction. I think. Um, I have a feeling 251 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: that dude in his ladder are not going anywhere. But 252 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: though he may not get on the ladder as much anymore, 253 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: he's just getting sixteen grand less a year. That's what's 254 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: happening us there. You go, all right, well that's it 255 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: for now. We'll definitely look more into this. There's all 256 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: kinds of stuff to look up half doing your own research. 257 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: It is a rabbit hole. As An said that you 258 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: can go down. Just be careful and don't purchase seven 259 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: giant books if you can help it. It's due diligence, man, 260 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: it's a work expense. At this point, I just I 261 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: just don't want. I don't want you to have so 262 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: much phantom time in your life inside those books. You 263 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: would get trapped in those books. All right, thank you 264 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: again in for running in. We'll be right back with 265 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: more messages from you. And we're back with more messages 266 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: from you. Uh. And I found a message from one 267 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: particular you who goes by the handle so majesty. Uh. 268 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: It is a code name, specifically UM and the subject 269 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: of this uh communication is mythological omniglot. That's a question 270 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: mark and an exclamation mark sound that I hopefully I 271 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: just in tone, But here goes hello. I've been puzzling 272 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: over something for a while, and I thought you might 273 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: have an opinion or some insight of this concept. As humans, 274 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: we have continuously written and rewritten the same characters and 275 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: stories and themes literally forever, with one notable exception, Santa Okay, 276 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: stay with me. The singular mythological character who can effortlessly 277 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: and instantly speak the language of any person he encounters, 278 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: including sign language, is Santa Claus. Why it seems like 279 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: such an important and powerful superpower to give a character 280 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: that I don't even believe Jesus was said to have. 281 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: I was able to find various characters with what I 282 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: would have called some kind of e sp not the 283 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: explicit ability to communicate in the language with a person 284 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: they encounter. My eleven year old son had suggested the 285 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: satyr as a character with a similar skill set, but 286 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: not to quite the same extent. Uh, seems like a 287 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: pretty badass skill and I can't believe it isn't in 288 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: more myths, ancient or modern. When I think of Biblical 289 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: references to unifying language, of course, the story of Babel 290 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: comes to mind. Or Babel, I think it's her to 291 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: pronounce both ways um, and that story shows the ability 292 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: to freely communicate with anyone as a bad, even dangerous thing. 293 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: So if, for argument's sake, we say that the Bible 294 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: gives the mythological omniglott a big thumbs down, why does 295 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: it then turn up in a myth where the character 296 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: with that gift is an embodiment of parental love. The 297 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: communication gift that Santa has is presented as wonderful and loving. 298 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: He was inclusive before that was even a thing. I'd 299 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: love to hear your thoughts on this topic, both if 300 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: I'm missing some obvious examples or if you notice the 301 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: same trend. I did. I am a seamstress and spend 302 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: hours and hours working while sewing and listening to your podcast. 303 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: My code name is so Majesty love the show. Um, okay, 304 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: this is awesome. This is so fun for for several reasons. Also, 305 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: it plays nicely with what we were just talking about. 306 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: And then the importance of Google Translate, which kind of 307 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: almost is that modern superpower if you are able to 308 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: just kind of like cast aside the um any notions 309 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: of being able to blend in and and and be 310 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: like an insider all the time. Um. I actually I 311 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: just came back from my first international trip since I 312 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: was a very very small child, and obviously when that 313 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: was the case, Google Transit was not a thing. But 314 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: I had quite a few conversations just passing the magic 315 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: box back and forth where you can literally press a 316 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: button speak into it and you know, words and repeat, 317 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: and while it's not perfect, you can absolutely um communicate 318 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: and get the right ideas across and have a perfectly 319 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: pleasant conversation that that benefits both both parties. Did you 320 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: use the camera function? The camera function is awesome as 321 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: long as you shoe any ideas of privacy. Sure, you mean, 322 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: like for taking a picture of like text like on 323 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: any or something like that. And I didn't time. I 324 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: didn't even know that was a thing, but next time. 325 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: But the microphone function was really fun. Um. I mentioned 326 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: this on our group chat before we joined. Uh it 327 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: shows maybe like how can you know? Results may vary, 328 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: but I had one conversation where I was passing the 329 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: thing back and forth quite a few times before I 330 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: realized that this gentleman was trying to sell me drugs UM, 331 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: and I promptly said no, thank you and and moved on. UM. 332 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: But it was pretty cool and magical to be able to. 333 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: I tried my best to use what little skills I 334 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: had to a very least ask people they can speak English, um, 335 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: and and you know, do a greeting and then that 336 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: usually put people in my corner. But it really came 337 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: in handy whether there'd be some stumbling blocks. Most people 338 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: in France speak English pretty well, which really makes you 339 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: realize how privileged we are as Americans that we sort 340 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: of take foreign languages almost as a lark in school. 341 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: But there they take very very seriously. Um, probably because 342 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: of their proximity to you know, the United Kingdom and 343 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: just knowing that business will ultimately uh require them one 344 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: day to have some basic understanding of English, whereas here 345 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: we just assumed that we're the king of the jungle, 346 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: so we don't really, you know, put quite as much 347 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: importance on it. But it really made me kind of 348 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: hit that home for me. But the idea of Santa 349 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: as being this omniglock I think that in and of 350 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: itself hit me it interestingly for me? Is it because 351 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: he can translate all the letters that he gets, Like 352 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: I always presume that maybe he had elves of different 353 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: nationalities that we're doing that for him, that he recruited 354 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: from across the land. Um, you know, the idea that 355 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: he can speak to whomever he encounters in whatever language 356 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: works for them. To me, it seems a little odd 357 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: because isn't Santa not supposed to be discovered? I mean, 358 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: if if he meets the kid, then doesn't that hasn't 359 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: he sort of screwed up in some way? And and 360 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: with you Santa is in every shopping center across the land, 361 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: aren't around anymore and that Santa, depending on where Santa is, 362 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: speaks that language right multiverse I entity. He's also able 363 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: to exist in many many places at the same time 364 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: while being able to speak all of those languages. He 365 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, I've got this image right now. It's 366 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 1: breaking my Grench heart. You guys, everybody fell a conspiracy 367 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: realist matt Old Dock with all the shopping malls abandoned nowadays. Picture, 368 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: if you will, just loan Santa's and their fortresses of 369 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: capitalist solitude waiting for a kid to come in and 370 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: just ask for anything. I don't know if that's a 371 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: Christmas story or if it's a horror story, but I'm 372 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: gonna write it. No, it's a horror story. Bend. Imagine 373 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: you guys, su urban explorers finding an old mall and 374 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: they're looking through this cavernous Area's huge, it's it's all. 375 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: There's nothing in there, there's no life. It's a dead malls. 376 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: And in the distance, Oh no, dude, no, dude, at 377 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: the very center of them all, yes, there's just a 378 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: Santa sitting there waiting for you. That's what one flickering light, 379 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: you know. I like the ho ho ho, but the 380 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: dark heart of the mall. Right, It could it could 381 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: also be like you have the conversation and you talk 382 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: to Santa, and then you you come back there you 383 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: want to do, you want to tell people about this 384 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: experience you've had, and you bring them back and it's 385 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: just a decade skeleton wrapped in like us, a dingy 386 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: red suit, and it was like the encounter was all 387 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: in your head or it was just the ghost of 388 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: Santa that only talked to you. That's sort of like 389 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: the uh the the red ribbon comes off and the 390 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: girl's head falls off, punchline to the story, kind of 391 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, everybody, forget what we just said. I 392 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: think that's gonna be something like that spoiler. Could be 393 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: our end of the year special, but real interesting questions. 394 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: And we were talking about this a little bit off air. 395 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: Um So, majesty, I think you'll enjoy this. We we 396 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: were familiar with some of these ideas do in part 397 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: to some um some research for a different project. But 398 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: the idea of language and literacy as a power, as 399 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: being on the glottal as a power is actually a 400 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: godlike power across various cold turs and uh Santa clause 401 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: as understood, does have roots in pre Christian existing belief systems. 402 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: Um I I don't know, man, I don't know where 403 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: we want to go with this, but no, you and 404 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: I were going back and forth on examples of things 405 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: like trickster gods, trickster gods talking to everyone. Yeah, there's 406 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: there's a really good reddit threat actually, um, which god's 407 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: had the cannon ability to speak every language. Uh, and 408 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: and many of them are African. Um. There's Issue from 409 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: the Yoruba culture, Coyote from the Lakota culture, and Tom 410 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: the spider Man also from the Lakota culture. And then 411 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: you mentioned one from ancient Egypt that has sort of 412 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: a magical Uh what's the word future seeing prop that 413 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: he kind of uses. Yes, yeah, Toth Uh. Toth, I 414 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: think is also known for not just having the ability 415 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: to speak and understand and all mortal tongues. But Tough 416 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: also has I like that you called it a prop. 417 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: Tough also has something Promethean about himself. He's able to 418 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: allow human beings to read his book, his magical book, 419 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: and when they read that, they can understand the language 420 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: of animals, which apparently are mono lingual, and they can 421 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: also understand divine languages. Uh. Of course that's you know, 422 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: we're talking folklore here. But it's it's fascinating, isn't it. 423 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: How how powerful the ability to speak and understand was 424 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: and ancient civilizations, some of which had absolutely no contact 425 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: with each other, all were thinking the same thing, trying 426 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: to answer the same questions. Right, Um and and Ben, 427 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: you and I recently did an episode um of Ridiculous 428 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: History about the King of Scotland's experiments with language, where 429 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: he's a really shady, really shady um experiment unethical that 430 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: would not fly today. Or he took two infants, shipped 431 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: them to this island and had them raised by death 432 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: mute nursemaids to see if they would come up with 433 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: the quote unquote language of the gods or like the 434 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: natural language. And Matt, um, you're familiar with the myth 435 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: of the Tower of Babel. We talked about that in 436 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: the in the email. But um, the idea that like 437 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: language is a power and that God kind of um, 438 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: he turned it all in its head when he found 439 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: out that everyone was speaking a common language. And that's 440 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: when they all kind of like couldn't work together anymore 441 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: and dispersed, and that's what created the kind of great 442 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: migration of of of culture. Is that how you understand 443 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: that story? Matt, I have no idea. I want to 444 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: learn more. I only just started looking into it because 445 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: of this email. But that's sort of how I understand it. Um. 446 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: It's obviously a myth, like a creation myth, you know, 447 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: about how where language came from. But it's obviously been 448 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: something that's been on the minds of of of human beings, 449 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: you know, for thousands and thousands of years. Um. The 450 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: King James story was paralleled with an Egyptian ruler that 451 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: did something very similar, and another one even I think 452 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: was from an Asian country. I can't recall exactly the 453 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: name of the or the country of origin of the 454 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: third attempt at this type of experiment, but it's almost 455 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: Hey watch it, guys. Fiction in fact don't have as 456 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: clear of a border as as we would all like 457 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: to expect. I mean, the Tower of Babel actually is 458 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: probably inspired by a much much older myth from Samaria. 459 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: It's called like in Mrker and the Lord of Arrata 460 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: a R A T T A. So this you're right, 461 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: this idea, Um, These myths are all created to explain 462 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: a very basic question that people still struggle with today, 463 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: which is why do languages tend to fragment and tend 464 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: to become new things instead of especially now in an 465 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: age of global communication. Why isn't everybody you know speaking esperanto? 466 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 1: Every attempt to make a manufactured language has um been 467 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: ambitious and noble in its intentions, but maybe not so 468 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: much in its um success. Y'all will both recall and 469 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: we can we can wrap it up with this. One 470 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: of the precepts on the Georgia guidestones is something to 471 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: do with creating a living language, you know, which could 472 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: be seen as in the interpretation of those precepts in 473 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 1: that kind of creepy new world order. Um. Uh, you know, 474 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: eliminating a portion of the population kind of way as 475 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: sinister in some way. Um, in the same way that 476 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: maybe the Tower of Babel story, you know, points to 477 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: the idea of maybe this is not something that anybody 478 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: should have, you know, there there should be differences that 479 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: that separate us in that way. Otherwise, Uh, some bad 480 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: things could happen. I don't know. I was always interested 481 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: in that one. Um how it kind of tied into 482 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: the one world governments, you know, one living language, um, 483 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,239 Speaker 1: all that stuff. RC Christian, I mean with as far 484 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: as pseudonyms go, that's right up there with Dr Alucard 485 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: or something. You know that Dr Acula dr Acula. Yeah, sorry, 486 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: alucard Is is a different dude. He's a chiropractor, Captain, 487 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: Captain al card But yeah, this is fascinating. This makes me, Um, 488 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: this makes you want to go back and reread all 489 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: the all the stories of mythology that we've we've just mentioned. 490 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: But um, you are absolutely right. So majesty, uh, I 491 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: hope you tune in for one of our upcoming episodes 492 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: where we're going to discuss some of these mythological evolutions 493 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: and our pal Santa does play a role. No, I 494 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: do have to say that I always suspected, uh Santa 495 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: Claus was for Santa Claus as the first conspiracy theory 496 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: that most children in the West learned. I always suspected 497 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: he was taking credit for a lot of hard work 498 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: on the elves parts. You know, he's kind of doing 499 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: the face thing. It's like absolutely absolutely. It always struck 500 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: me is maybe there is some foul play afoot, like 501 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: perhaps those elves weren't as jolly and happy and uh 502 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: well treated as maybe one might think. Um, you know, 503 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe a little bit of secret slave 504 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: that we're going on there. Just just just just my 505 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: two cents, just power to the elves. Yes, agreed, Rise 506 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: up elves um. But with that, I think we could 507 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: take another quick sponsor break and then come back with 508 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: one more letter from you, and we've returned. The obsession 509 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: with your ghost stories, your personal experiences of the paranormal continue. 510 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: Dockheat us with that sound cube. That's right. It's the 511 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: most wonderful time of the year. So we're gonna we're 512 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: gonna share just a couple and we're gonna saunter through 513 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: these two fully experience. We're gonna stop and pose our 514 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: own questions and have a conversation about this. Lizzie, you 515 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: wrote a story that I know Matt captivated both of us, 516 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: and here is your story in part. We want to 517 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: share this with you because first it's very well written, 518 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: and secondly, it is so cinematic, and we want to 519 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: hear if anybody else has had a similar experience. Hopefully not, 520 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: because this is scary stuff. Lizzie says, Hello, my name's Lizzie, 521 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: gives her Twitter handle oo. M E. P says I 522 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: recently tagged you regarding an exorcism story that I was 523 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: eager to share. My close friend recently disclosed that his 524 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: mother and grandmother once went to the exorcism of their 525 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: relative back when they lived in Sri Lanka. Here the details. 526 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: The possessed family member that was in air quotes was 527 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: a woman who got into these fits where she did 528 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: crazy things like rab a person's hand, read their palm, 529 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: and reveal secrets about them and their life, like the 530 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: exact way the people close to them had died, even 531 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: if they had never met. She would speak in get 532 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: this snol, different languages of which she had no prior knowledge. 533 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: When she spoke, you could hear conversations playing out between 534 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: the multiple inhuman voices coming from her, with each voice 535 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: appearing to have its own rank. When she was in 536 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: these violent fits, she would end up smashing things, hurting 537 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: herself into others, and multiple men together could not control her. 538 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: Her condition got to the point where people sought her 539 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: out for readings. The little church they visited was dedicated 540 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: to exorcisms, tucked away in a forest, where my friend's mom, grandma, 541 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,479 Speaker 1: and Auntie's witnessed this woman curl herself into a circle 542 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: and roll herself up the hill upon which the church stood. 543 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: At the actual exorcism on the church grounds, these multiple 544 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: terrifying voices uh emanated from her, and the priest asked 545 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: if they were going to leave her body. One of 546 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: the voices said yes and the priest, and the priest 547 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: said that he needed a sign they had left. The 548 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: woman then point towards a tree, which cracks at the 549 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: base and falls down. She falls over and collapses, but 550 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: after she wakes up, she's fine and has no further issues, 551 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: and Lizzie goes on to say that their friend is 552 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: a skeptic of the supernatural believes they are non supernatural. 553 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: Ways to explain everything that occurred except for the tree 554 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: falling down. This might be my favorite part of the letter, Lizzie, 555 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: because you say it left him stumped, and we're both 556 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: were both startled by the weight and seriousness of this 557 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: story as he comes from his mother and grandmother to 558 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: people who seemingly lack a motive to fabricate or exaggerate 559 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: the story. And Lizzie says, in contrast, I am in 560 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: a mild state of terror and I'm ready to believe 561 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: she was possessed. What do you guys think? That's one 562 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: of the I don't want to say most haunting, but 563 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: that is a captivating story. Oh yeah, I just want 564 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: to go back to the image that stuck in my 565 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: mind when I read it. Then we talked about this 566 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: that first thing that Lizzie describe someone, uh, just in 567 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: a state where they have to tell someone's fortune, They 568 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: have to scry for somebody, they have to read the 569 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: palm and then tell you this important message about the 570 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: way you're going to die, or how you know someone 571 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: that died before that needs to give you a message. 572 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: Something about it being so urgent really creeps me out 573 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: because it says it's as though whatever you know, if 574 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: there's something inside of her, whatever it is, desperately needs 575 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: to communicate. Um, I don't know that. That really just 576 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: stuck with me. And it seems like it's also never 577 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: good news, right, They're not. They're not predicting um fortunes 578 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: or indicating where to find a lost cash of treasure 579 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: or money or sentimental valuables. It's it's strange because this 580 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: is something that if you are a more skeptical person 581 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: like the friend mentioned in the story, there's a lot 582 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: of the that can be dismissed and at the very 583 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: end you can just say, well, maybe the tree thing 584 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: got exaggerated through the game of telephone, that is oral 585 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: communication over time, or maybe it was just a coincidence, 586 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: you know. And there's a lot we don't know about 587 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: that tree. How old was it, was it diseased, etcetera. 588 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: These are mundane questions, but I cannot wait to hear 589 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: more possession stories and also also Lizzie glad to hear 590 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: that the family ultimately was okay, because in the most 591 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: infamous cases of alleged possession, however you want to explain it, 592 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: it often leaves lifetime mental, sometimes physical scars on the 593 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: people involved. I am I am lucky enough to have 594 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: encountered a couple of actual exorcists in the past, from 595 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: various cultures and various religions. And it's kind of like 596 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: how we just mentioned the common realities between cultures in 597 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: terms of like the deities we encounter or believe in. 598 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: The concept of exorcism and possession may differ in some 599 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: of the ingredients, but you might be surprised by just 600 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: how common the idea is across civilizations. Um, I don't 601 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: think I've met anybody who was possessed necessarily, what about 602 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: you guys, know, but some of the tape from you know, 603 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: the paranormal investigators behind you know, the Amityville incident and 604 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: all of that stuff is pretty compelling. I'm not gonna lie. 605 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: I know that there's some skepticism behind whether or not 606 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: they we're hucksters or not, but uh, it's hard to 607 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: it's hard to ignore. You know how some of those 608 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: folks sound, you know when they when they're speaking sort 609 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: of like from another place. You know, a hard time 610 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: reconciling them. Then you're an audio expert too, so I 611 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: mean I'm just being objective here. You have a good 612 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: ear to sense out something if if there was a 613 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,959 Speaker 1: way to explain it readily. Um I I just thought 614 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: of this. It's not the most comforting thought. But if 615 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: you think about it, we're all, all of us listening now, 616 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: are just sort of ghost possessing ourselves. Right, your body 617 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: is another haunted house. If if there's a separation between 618 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: whatever you are and your body. Yes, Numa sarks Soma, 619 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: I get you, man. Yeah, it's it's a very for 620 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 1: the three people that got that reference. It's a complex idea, 621 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: and um, we had so many other stories, do we 622 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: do we have time to share? Just one more short one, 623 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: our final piece of ghostly correspondence. Today at least, this 624 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: evening comes to us from someone who has chosen to 625 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: use a pseudonym, and this message based on our previous conversations, Fellows, 626 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: this message spoke to me immediately. Here's how it begins. 627 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: You can call me Cuban B. I tried to be brief, 628 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: but I'm afraid I feel my apologies. Cuban Cuban B. 629 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: Cuban B. H Okay, So Cuban B has some stuff 630 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: to say to us, and also um some ideas for 631 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: a show. But here is the ghost story that you 632 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: wanted to share with your fellow conspiracy realist, Cuban B. 633 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: In a recent episode, I heard a request for ghost stories. So, 634 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: in an effort to become an active participant in the conversation, 635 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: I'd like to share one with you. Now. My mother 636 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: once lived in a town home by herself. She would 637 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: occasionally tell me about the odd things that occurred around 638 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: the house. She said it started with hearing voices. Since 639 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: she lived in a town home, I dismissed it as 640 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: noisy neighbors. Another time, she told me she woke up 641 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,280 Speaker 1: from a nap and saw a ring of smoke circling 642 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: around her. I dismissed this as a dream or just 643 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: being groggy from the nap. Then there was the time 644 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: she was in her bathroom upstairs getting ready. As she 645 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: tells it, she went downstairs for a few minutes, and 646 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: when she came back, she found the hair brush she'd 647 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: been using was missing. Naturally, she assumed she had taken 648 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: it downstairs with her and left it there by mistake. 649 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 1: She went downstairs to look. Not finding it, she headed upstairs. 650 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: According to her, when she reached the top of the stairs, 651 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: she found her brush sitting on the top step. This 652 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,439 Speaker 1: one was a little harder to dismiss at the time. 653 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: I decided she must have just dropped it and didn't notice. Eventually, 654 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: she began to believe there was a ghost haunting her house. 655 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: Soon after the brush incident, she moved out. She said 656 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: she just didn't feel comfortable there anymore. Now, if I 657 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: can borrow a phrase from the show, here's where it 658 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: gets crazy. Years later, while going to garage sales with 659 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: my mother, I noticed there was one in her old 660 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: town house. I thought it'll be fun to go check 661 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: it out. She wasn't thrilled with the idea, but played 662 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: along anyway. When we arrived, The current tenant said hello 663 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 1: and asked how we were. After exchanging pleasantries, my mother 664 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 1: told her that she used to live there. The woman 665 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: sat up and stared at her in silent for a 666 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: few seconds. She pulled my mother aside and began speaking 667 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: in hushed tones, just like meadow. Sorry, I tried to 668 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: We've got to keep the whole thing, and she asked 669 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: my mother if she had ever experienced anything strange while 670 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 1: living there. My mother was hesitant at first, but then 671 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: began to share her experiences. The woman seemed relieved and 672 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: began telling us of her own experiences. She told us 673 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: about hearing voices, seeing what she described as fog, and 674 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 1: having things go missing, only to reappear somewhere else. Later, 675 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: in talking with her, we realized she was having the 676 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: garage sale because she was moving. I can only assume 677 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: it was for the same reason. I don't usually go 678 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: for ghosts and hauntings, concludes Cuban b. I tend to 679 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: think there's a natural explanation for these kinds of things. However, 680 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 1: under the circumstances, I found the whole thing a little unsettling. 681 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to make of it. I'd enjoy 682 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: hearing what you guys think of this. So we're you guys, Well, 683 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I think. There there is a 684 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,879 Speaker 1: trickster hanging out around those town houses. This trickster is young, 685 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,280 Speaker 1: probably just started smoking for the first time, and sneaks 686 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: into other people's houses and smoke smokes in there in 687 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: their rooms. Uh, that leaves this person has longer than 688 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: usual hair, really needs hair brushes a lot, and just 689 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: uses what they can find. I'm just joking. This is 690 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a human because a human, a 691 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: human force interfering is no less unsettling. Right. Do you 692 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: guys remember that story, uh, several years ago about the 693 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,839 Speaker 1: guy in Japan who found food was going missing from 694 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: his refrigerator and he lived by himself, or so he thought. 695 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: He got a closed circuit camera and he found that 696 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: there was an elderly person who was hiding in his 697 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:01,240 Speaker 1: top closet and like sneaking out to nibble at food. 698 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: Do you guys remember that story? Yes? I also remember 699 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: one where somebody was living in the attic, like legitimately 700 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: living in the attic doing the same thing. Another this 701 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: has happened more than it should. Yeah, everybody check your 702 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: crawl spaces, check your atticts, check the closets. You know 703 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: what I mean. Just because you might feel a little 704 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: paranoid doesn't mean you're wrong. We just ruined so many 705 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: people's Thursday night. If they're listening to this when it 706 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: comes out, I'm going into my attic right after we finish. Yes, Also, 707 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,359 Speaker 1: there's um. Going back to our earlier conversation, there are 708 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: some guides for how to navigate in a non human 709 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: trickster in mythology. Right. I believe it's very popular in 710 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: some European folklore to leave like a saucer of milk 711 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: out right, or two, there's something about which way you're 712 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: supposed to put your shoes at night. They are different 713 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 1: things you can do. I I don't know. We mentioned 714 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: before the idea of talking or attempting to somehow communicate 715 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,760 Speaker 1: with an entity, and we had a pretty in depth 716 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: conversation about it off air recently. But I got to say, 717 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: as someone who I think maybe we all fall on 718 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: the more forensic, slightly more skeptical side sometimes um, But 719 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,959 Speaker 1: as an individual holding that viewpoint, I would also move. 720 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. If you're paying rent, if 721 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: you're paying a mortgage, for all haunted place. I don't 722 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: know some people would pay extra. I was gonna say, yeah, 723 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 1: you move, or you start a YouTube channel. And you know, 724 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: just like me, it's just called the fog and me 725 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: and uh just hanging out, like just dapping each other, 726 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: like braiding each other's hair, talking about you know, j 727 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: Q and A love what. At least we know it's 728 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: not as gin because of the smoke. That's right, the 729 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: gener created from smokeless fire. Yeah, and I don't know 730 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: why that always seems so cool. That's like one of 731 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: the coolest creation stories. But uh, speaking of stories, thank 732 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: you so much to everyone who wrote in. We have 733 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 1: a wealth of fantastic spooky stories. And you might be surprised, 734 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:27,839 Speaker 1: Lizzie and Cuban B to know how many people are 735 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: taking the same approach that you have taken, trying to 736 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: explain these things through the power of critical thinking and 737 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: then finding that at some point it's very difficult to 738 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 1: have an explanation that can address a hundred percent of 739 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: what you or your loved ones of experience. So take 740 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,440 Speaker 1: a page from their book. Right to us, call us 741 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: find us online. We cannot wait to hear from you. 742 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: That's right, you can find us online, as Ben said, 743 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,359 Speaker 1: on all the Internet leap places of note. We are 744 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 1: on fa book, we are on YouTube, and we are 745 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 1: on Twitter at the handle conspiracy Stuff. Can also find 746 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: us on Instagram at the handle conspiracy Stuff Show. If 747 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 1: you wish. You can also find us as individual human 748 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 1: people on various places on the Internet. I am exclusively 749 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,439 Speaker 1: on Instagram at how now Noel Brown. Yes he is, Matt, 750 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: You're you're You're at Cuban being correct, Yes, at Cuban 751 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 1: being grateful for you. That's the whole title of it. Um, Yeah, 752 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: if you don't want to do that. So if you 753 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: don't want to use social media, well, Ben, do you 754 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: have social media and Instagram? You can find my current 755 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,320 Speaker 1: online identity at Ben Bullan bow l i and on 756 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: Instagram or at ben Bullen hsw on Twitter. The real 757 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: ones know why. That's right, and the fake ones are confused. 758 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 1: It's a phantom tweet hypothesis. That's right. It's the new 759 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,439 Speaker 1: Twitter chronol, it's the new timeline chronology. But you're absolutely right, Matt. 760 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes social media isn't for everybody. So what pre tell 761 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: should our fellow conspiracy realists do if they don't sip 762 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,319 Speaker 1: the social meads. If they have become media teetotalers, then 763 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: you use your mouth and your phone to contact us. 764 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: In an ancient features, you got to use your fingers, 765 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 1: your phone and your mouth in that, or you could 766 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: use your mouth to operate your phone. Right, hold on, 767 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,800 Speaker 1: let me see I've seen it. Nope, why does it 768 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: have to be fingers? What the heck? I can't if 769 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,399 Speaker 1: you could poke it with a stick. There's there's any 770 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 1: number of ways to enter the digits that you are 771 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 1: about to uh to bless us with. All right, so 772 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 1: you enter one eight three three st d w y 773 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 1: t K. That is our number. You will hear ben, 774 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: you will hear a message to leave one, and once 775 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 1: you do, you've got three minutes. Say whatever you want. 776 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: Please give yourself a cool nickname. We very much would 777 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: like that. Um say anything you want to. If you've 778 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: got too much to say, or you want to add 779 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: links or any other information that you can't get to 780 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: us through your voice, send it instead through your words. 781 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: You can reach us at our email. We are conspiracy 782 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: at I heart radio dot com. Stuff they don't want 783 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: you to know is a production of I Heart Radio. 784 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from my Heart radio, visit the I 785 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to 786 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:37,440 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.