WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Kubrick's The Shining 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:16.079 Thinking Sideways. I don't know. You never know stories of 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:21.040 things we simply don't know the answer too. Well. Hey there, 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:25.840 and welcome to Thinking Sideways the podcast. As always it's 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.040 my Turn, which means I am Steve, as always, it's 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.840 your turn, as this time it's my yeas, I'm always Steve, 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.320 you are always ste except that week I was Joe, 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:37.600 which was weird. It was really weird. I didn't like 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.519 it very much. I don't think the fans like they 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.760 got a lot of heil over that way. But I 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:48.159 am Steve as always, joined by Devin and Joe, and 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.559 once again we have another mystery to look into. This 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:56.639 is a listener suggestion. We've been trying to work through 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.360 the backlog, which but we have a big one. We 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.040 have a lot of suggestions, which is great, but that 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.160 list has gotten huge. This particular story that we're going 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.039 to talk about was suggested by Todd quite a long 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.520 time ago. So sorry that it took us a while, Todd, 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.000 But sorry, man, I hope you're still listening. Todd. Oh, 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.280 I'm curious. I didn't get angry that we've never used 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.800 his suggestion. Stopped listening to us. Well, it was a 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:21.199 great suggestion, because what Todd suggested was that we look 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:25.920 at Stanley Kubrick's The Shining because it turns out there 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:30.720 are a ton of theories on the interpretation of what 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.880 the movie is all about. It's surprising actually have many 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:38.559 weird hidden meetings people seemed to find in the movie. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.399 And I hadn't seen it in like twenty years. So 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.120 I I remember several years ago I watched there's a 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.200 documentary which is going to come up, so we'll just 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.600 talk about it now, Room two thirty seven. Oh yeah, 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.720 several times now. But I remember watching it before and 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.440 thinking I don't remember any of this stuff. I've since 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:57.880 watched The Shining about two and a half times in 0:01:57.920 --> 0:01:59.880 a week and a half, so my house is shining 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.200 no longer allowed. I got into a lot of trouble 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:07.680 for continually watching that. Well, I I've not I had 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.400 never seen it before. Um, because it may or may 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:15.920 not shock our listeners to know that I hate horror 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:20.200 movie like, I don't watch them at all. Um. In fact, 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:25.360 if there's like even a remotely scary tense soundtrack to something, 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.919 I probably won't watch it. This goes back to legitimately, 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:30.680 I think I was a year and a half old. 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.200 My mom tried to show me Bamby. She had never 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.560 seen it before. Well, and you know, the moms and 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.280 her group said, oh, don't worry, the kids don't know that. 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:43.720 Spoiler alert. The mom dies, you know, the kids don't 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.080 realize that, and you know, the music kind of comes 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:47.600 up and I stand up on the couch. I'm a 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.360 year and a half old. I stand up on the 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.440 couch as the music is just like you know, and 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.800 Bambi gets out of the fire, and I just turned 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.400 to my mom and go, Mama, where's his mama? Mama, Mama, Mama, 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.680 says mama. And my mom just like just gently took 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:05.399 through mote and turned it off and said she comes 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.840 back at the end. Let's go do something else. And 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.120 I think that that moment with the music is the 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.920 very good representation of I can't. And this one was 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.360 so I mean, I texted you about it. In the 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:18.800 middle of it. I was like, do I really have 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.359 to do this? Because what is this movie about? Why 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.400 are we watching it? And I just cleaned up that 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.400 was super clean. There were yeah, I did not. I 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:34.280 was not not excited about watching it. It was the soundtrack. 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.120 I think that if it had a different soundtrack, if 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.320 it had wacky Sacks in it. But see that's the 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:42.520 thing that that's it's a very it's totally cubriic. That 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.760 movie is absolutely cubic. And smoiler alert for everybody. If 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:48.800 you haven't seen The Shining, I know you were going 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:50.360 to get around to it, and it's only like thirty 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.040 five years old. We're going to talk about this movie 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.960 and you might want to go wrap the movie first, 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.440 come back in a couple of hours when you finished 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.680 The Shining. Yeah, it's a good movie. I know that 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.520 Vin didn't like it. No, No, I liked it. I 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:06.960 just don't like movies like that. I And the thing is, 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.200 is like I like all of the other Kubrick movies 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.360 I've ever seen, So it was just this this was 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.600 kind of an outlier because he always wanted to do horror, 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:19.679 so this was a bit of an outlier for his catalog. Yeah. 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.760 He uh, he actually has a he did a little 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.160 bit of everything. He did warror movies and horror movies. 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.920 I mean you've seen like, well it's obviously Doctor Strange 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.599 Love is that's one of my favorite movies of all times. 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.040 You guys know that because I like I title all 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.120 of the names of my scripts in that fashion. I 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:38.560 don't know if you guys have picked up on that, 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.600 to stop that and love the bomb, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.560 how I learned to stop worrying and love the toy 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:49.080 tiles and you know whatever. And one of my faves 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:53.320 is Clockwork Orange. I like that one, which is another 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:55.919 darkly humorous movie. It's really it's really very funny, but 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.440 it's it's in a very dark way. Yeah, he's he's 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.400 a very unit he was very unique director. Yeah, absolutely 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.920 very talented, absolutely talented. But let's let's go ahead and 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.400 kind of step into what we're going to talk about here. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:10.880 I want to talk more about how much I hate 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.400 horror movies. We we could do a whole episode on that. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:19.920 Let's do that one later. You might turn our listeners off, okay, um, 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:21.560 But now, what I was gonna say when we were 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:25.000 talking about all the theories is some of these theories 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.320 you kind of gotta stand on one leg, hold your 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.440 mouth in just the right way, and then maybe see it. 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:35.159 And some of them are based on the evidence they 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.960 give you are really really obvious. Yeah, And I when 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:43.560 I watched Room two three seven, I was having a 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.640 really hard time not doing that thing that people do 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.240 sometimes when you sit in front of the TV and 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:53.279 you're like, yeah, that's true, Yeah, that thing is the 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.800 real thing. Oh no, wait, I know you said that contract. 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.200 Oh that contradicts it. You know, just accepting the facts 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.880 as they were given, and I know that. We'll talk 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.280 about that a little bit too, yes, because you cannot 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.040 do that. But are you too ready? You're ready for 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:11.280 movie time? All right, who's got the popcorn? Okay, sweet, 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:16.400 first bit of business. Let's talk about The Shining not 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.240 the movie but the book by Stephen King. By Stephen King. 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.080 It's a little different. It is. King wrote the book 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:27.080 and it came out in ninety seven, and the baseline 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.480 story is the same, and I'm gonna give you a 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:35.080 baseline version. It's not exact because they do diverge from 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.200 each other so much. Ye. Essentially, they're going to spend 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.679 the winter and it's the Torrance family the Overlook Hotel 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.880 that it's in the mountains of Colorado. They're gonna watch 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.560 the hotel and maintain it over the course of the winter, 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.600 and they're going to be snowed in. There's three main 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:55.000 characters at that point. We've got the father who is Jack, 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.880 the mother who is Wendy, and the son who is 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.800 five year old Danny. That's our main characters. And Danny 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.279 has telepathy. Yes, it turns out Danny can see things. 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.039 He can shine, he can shine as it is called. 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.480 So you can not only read minds communicate telepathically, but 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.480 I also can see things that happened in the past 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.000 and in the future or are going to happen. And 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:20.160 he has the what's his name in the movie, tom 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:24.360 Tommy Tommy, but that's but that's only in the movie. 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:28.560 In the movie he has Tony. But in the book 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:30.680 Tony is there. I didn't read the book. Sorry, and 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.360 you gotta okay what Devon is doing, by the way, everybody, 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.440 and she is imitating Danny with a little the pointer 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.400 finger up and down to talk, so right now, my yeah, 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:43.880 that's yeah, up and down conversation that is not present 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.440 in the book. He talks to Tony in his head. 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:52.320 So the finger thing is a way to visualize it 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.800 for film. Yeah, you know, in interior monologue is really 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:59.800 hard to do. It is, so what happens of course Danny, 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.920 these things, those things are affecting his father his father 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.680 goes nuts, he tries to kill the family. The father dies, 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:13.600 and Wendy and Danny escaped the overlook. That's the short version. 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:18.120 That's a very even out because again they died. But 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:22.240 the hotel is like haunted. I guess you could say 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:26.480 it's inhabited by very evil a very evil presence. I 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.360 would say evil presence is the right way to go 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.200 about it. Yeah. So, like I said, King published the 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.840 book in seventy seven. Cuber got ahold of it, decided 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.600 he wanted to make it into a movie, but of 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:39.800 course he needed to make changes for because, as we 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.040 just said, internal monologues don't work on film. Well, you 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.200 can do it if you're going to have the narrator. Yeah, 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:49.480 but that's a bad format for hormone. A movie that 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.679 was very faithful to the book was very loathing in 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.839 Las Vegas, and it really really sucked. It didn't work 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.280 in his book. The book was hilarious and the movie 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.839 just sucked. Yeah, it didn't make it. Well. So Cubert no, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:01.880 just so he gets ahole of King and he says, 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:03.880 I want to make this into a movie, but I 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:08.560 need to make changes. And King, being flattered that Stanley 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.760 Cubrick is asking to turn his book into a movie, says, 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:17.240 go ahead, change what you want, not realizing quite how 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:22.160 much was gonna get changed. Pretty much everything. King hates 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:27.160 this movie. Ye absolutely hates the movie. And and it's 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:31.559 because of the fact that Kubrick went in and slashed 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.840 so much out and then changed so many things that 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.960 he had to change. But it's it's really interesting. Came 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.080 out to be. It turned out to be a good story, 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.240 which is not the same story, not quite the same, 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.800 quite the same story. Now we're going to focus on 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:50.800 the movie, so we're going to talk about the actors briefly. 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.480 Here we have four actors we're gonna talk about. So 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:58.280 Jack Torrence, the father was played by Jack Nicholson. Very 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:05.080 young Jack, very and yet already balding. Jack Nicholson Warning 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:06.800 to you people, I guess it's too late because you've 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.800 already shut off the podcast and you're running the movie 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:12.040 right now streaming on Netflix. But Jack Nicholson's hair is 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.040 kind of wild in this movie. It's not on Netflix. 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.960 It's no, you can't scream it. I think Amazon Prime 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.160 is where I watched it. Is it sounding like an ad? 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:24.880 I'm sorry. Our next character is going to be Wendy Torrence, 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.600 the mother. She was played by Shelley Duval. She's a 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.240 great character. She's yeah, yeah, we're leave it at that. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.640 We have the son Danny, who is played by a 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.160 five year old boy named Danny Lloyd, who fun fact, 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.400 didn't know that they were filming a horror movie and 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.640 in fact didn't even see the movie or like find 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.199 out anything about it until he was like fourteen. It's 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.800 like nine years later. His parents finally said, yeah, alright, fine, 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:55.280 you can see this movie. And apparently he was like horrified. 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.680 He had no idea it was a drama. Did you 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.319 watch the making of that's out there? And one there's 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.079 one guy I cannot remember his name, but he was 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.319 basically Danny's handler. He hung out with Danny, he did everything. 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.120 So as soon as the scene was done, Hey Danny, 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:12.920 let's go do this, he grabbed his hand. He run 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:17.520 down the hall like they were totally keeping him sheltered. 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.920 They do this with children with child actors a lot. Um. 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.600 There's this movie called The Fall and one of the 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:29.200 characters is a little girl who only speaks Spanish um, 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.400 and they actually had to film all of her scenes 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.760 in sequence as she learned English so her English would 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.720 get better. And the um, one of the other characters 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.600 is a paraplegic. He can't walk, and she literally thought 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:45.800 that he was paralyzed until the premiere of the movie 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:47.760 when she saw him walking down the carpet and she 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.960 was horrified. I think they do that a lot with kids, 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:57.800 right right, I mean, not sorry, not like the worst, 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.720 but she was. She was shocked. Yeah, but we have 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.679 I'm sorry tangent. Okay, not on this tangent. They were 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.160 on this one last thing. I guess I need to 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:07.640 go back and watch the movie a game, because I'm 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.400 trying to remember if they found a way to keep 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.160 the kid out of the frames. In the scenes when 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.600 they're in the bathroom and Jack Nicholson is chopping the 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.319 door down, he wasn't in there, and he was already 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:22.440 escaped the bathroom. No, no, he started to head. He 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.640 already got he was already out. He was already out. 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:27.760 But then when when Jack Nicholson is chopping at the 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.280 door of the apartment, was he was he not? They 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:31.600 find a way to keep him out of those scenes? 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.720 The chopping only happens on the bathroom door. Your way 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:38.520 Ahead sir, No, No, he chopped. He chopped his way 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.480 through the apartment door too, and then opened and then 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:44.000 turned the doorknob. They yeah, but they have him in 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.480 the bathroom and they do cut. It's all cut scenes 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.679 in it. So they managed that they managed to actually 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.880 keep him off the set for those Well I don't 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.440 know if he wasn't off of the but I imagine 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.880 they had him somewhere else. Yeah, I imagine he was 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:00.800 in the cafeteria. Anyway. Sorry, we have one another act 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.040 actor that we need to talk about, and that is 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:07.080 the guy who played the character of Dick Halleran, and 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:11.400 he was Scatman Cruthers and he was a great He 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:15.440 was my favorite. I agree. He did a phenomenal job. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.560 Was really good. So he was really interesting. But but 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.680 those are are four characters. And that character does or 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.360 does it not exist in the book because he does, 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.160 he does, he does. He does not experience the same 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.800 fate in the book. That is a complete diversion in 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.040 the movie. And that's actually the one thing about about 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.480 the movie that's very King asked, very very Stephen King, 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.920 like he has a way of having this, you know, 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.440 because he comes all the way across country and comes 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.480 in and immediately it gets murdered. Just like that, You 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.280 no chance to do much of anything. Yeah, that's the 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.680 kind of thing that Stephen King would do. Yes, in 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.320 the book, that wasn't it. He made the hero in 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.400 the book. But let's go ahead and move away from 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.400 the story for a moment before we because we've got 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:00.480 what is it? We got just a little bit more, 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.679 and then we're gonna start talking about theories. The last 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.720 thing I want to talk about is Stanley cubric himself. 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.280 He If you're not familiar with him, you need to 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:15.920 go watch his movies. I wouldn't say that I'm not 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.520 a huge Cubic fan, but I appreciate them. But I 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.440 also do you guys, I know you remember this to 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:23.400 have a couple of years ago, I went I watched 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.520 two thousand one of Space on he for the first time. 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.360 I hated it. I hated. I was like, I don't 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:31.960 get that movie. We talked it with Toynb Tiles. You know, 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:35.520 we were talking about Cubic idea resurrects on dead on 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.600 planet Jupiter, and you were just like, I hate that 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.400 thing and hate it and now that I don't understand 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.200 search on it I started to get it. But that's 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:48.360 what that's the way Cuber movies. Absolutely, he didn't believe 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.800 in just giving it all up front. He would make 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.320 you think about, well, you know what. I think that 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.720 his style was so the best way I can describe 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.240 it is that he intentionally wanted you to leave the 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.560 theater thinking that you had missed some grander point, because 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:09.280 usually you had right but even if you hadn't, even 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.800 if it was kind of straightforward. And that's why there's 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.120 all these theories about all these different movies, is that 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:18.080 you always end his movies thinking you've missed some huge point, 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:20.880 even if there's not. It's just his way of show 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.720 giving you the story. That's just the way that he 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:25.680 tells stories. I guess. I mean, I didn't let in. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.360 I didn't leave the theater after the clock recordings thinking 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.840 I missed the point. But maybe I did. I don't know. Well, yeah, 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:33.480 I mean I think for me, you know, as you 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.080 read a little bit about him and you you start 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:40.440 to actually kind of intellectualize about the movies, you realize like, oh, 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.640 there's so much of this kind of ethos around him 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.640 that there must have been some bigger message there. It 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:50.000 wasn't just about this one thing, even with you know, 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.960 Doctor Strangelove. The more you start to watch his movies, 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.280 the more you're like, Wow, did I miss something? Did 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.800 I like, was there some really poignant thing there that 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.600 I totally missed? And I think that even right though, 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.520 even if there wasn't something, because I don't think there 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.200 always is, but that's the way I would describe it. No, 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:10.240 I would say, that's that's not that's an app description. Absolutely. Yeah. 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.680 And all one last thing before you run off to 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.000 him to watch his entire catalog. If you're not going 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.480 to do that, another one I would recommend his Paths 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.280 of Glory with Kirk Douglas. Have you guys ever seen 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.280 that one? No? No, I don't know that I've ever 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.720 seen that one. Yeah, that's good movie. Okay, Well, let's 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.440 let's give the a little bit of bio data here on. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:33.280 Stanley made his first movie in nineteen fifty one, which 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:37.160 was a It was a really short documentary. He acquired 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.880 funding for it himself. I mean, in fifty one, it 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.400 cost a thousand bucks and he had to raise that 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.960 cash on his own. His last movie was in nine 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:51.240 Eyes Wide Shut, which I believe didn't Spielberg finish that movie? 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.440 You know, I swear I saw something that said that 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.120 he wasn't involved in them, like an interview. Yeah. I 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.680 remember reading aim at it somewhere because apparently the movie 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.119 wasn't completed, but maybe it wasn't Spielberg. It feels like 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.120 this is the sort of thing that like like, yeah, 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:10.440 it's kind kind of cool lore if it is, but 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.760 I don't think we'll probably ever confirm it. Yeah. Um, well, 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.320 I I think we've talked. We've talked a lot. I mean, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.840 so far we told you about Stanley, and the last 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.480 thing I want to tell you is that, including the 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.280 short documentaries or the short films he made in the beginning, 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:30.879 he did a total of sixteen movies in forty years. 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.800 A lot. No, but but you also need to remember 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:39.040 that his movies took anywhere from one to two years 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:43.200 to complete, after which point he was exhausted because he 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:47.800 did everything. He did all of he you know, he's 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.680 involved in our direction, in the cinematography and the soundtracks. 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:55.560 He did all of the editing. He had cutting it 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.440 wasn't he Yeah, well yeah, and he had he had 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.360 it all sent to his home and he he did 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.520 all of the edits, and and the thing about it 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.360 is is he would take some scenes over, he would 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.320 take many, many takes. Well, we're going to talk about 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:13.000 this later. It's like that a lot. Yeah it is. Yeah, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:14.920 well I think that might be one of the shortest 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.800 descriptions we've ever done on the show. But we're done 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.159 talking about all those things. We're gonna jump right into theories. Well, 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.520 it's not really theories, is it. Theories and interpretations. These 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:28.040 are just or just not our theories, but theories that 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.000 other people have. Oh yeah, well most of times theories 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.200 aren't our theories. But but yeah, I guess, yeah, interpret 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.639 how would you describe it? No, I guess theories about 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.280 because it's not really like theories of how this thing happened, right, 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:48.280 it's theories of what mean okay, and also why perhaps 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.600 Kuber did it? There we go meanings and reasons this 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:55.920 week on Thinking Side Wins. Okay, well, we're going to 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.640 start out with my favorite one. Yes, we're gonna start 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:04.000 out with the first meaning slash reason, which is the 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:09.200 moon landing. Because it was fake let's talk about Well, no, no, 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.480 these theorists starn't saying that it was faked. They're saying 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.919 we made it to the moon, just that we didn't 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.040 make it to the moon at this particular moment where 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.359 the footage isn't right. So let's yeah here, let me 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:24.080 let me get this. There's actually more. It's more than that, right, 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.200 It's more than just saying, oh, you didn't make it 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:27.800 to the moon and we did it on a sound stage. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:29.760 Because they're not saying we didn't make it to the moon. 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.879 They're saying that the footage that was sent of Neil 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:38.320 Armstrong and buzz Aldren hopping around on the moon for 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.920 twenty some odd minutes was fake. Was fake? Right, that's 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.520 what it said. Yeah, I do. I think it's important 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.320 to clear that. That is a good point. But why 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:50.040 if we made it to the moon, because we have 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:54.080 let me get into this first and then we'll cover 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:58.720 that at the end. You are you are just for 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:03.320 the end of everyone tonight, all right. According to this, 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:07.560 Cubrick was the one who did all of the filming 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:12.840 of the Astronauts on the Moon. He directed it, and 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:18.120 he then had remorse over it, and so he's explaining 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:23.080 that through things in the movie The Shining. Officially, according 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:27.440 to history, the United States landed on the Moon and 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:30.879 a manned mission in nineteen sixty nine, that's when we 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:35.840 talked about buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong certainly lost that name. 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.040 You would think I'm the one who's been working crazy hours. 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:44.520 But in nineteen sixty eight, which was the year before 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:49.399 that happened, Cubrick released two thousand one of Space Odyssey, 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:53.440 and that had some really elaborate space scenes in it, 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:58.560 on the Moon and guys floating around in space, and 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:03.240 that was all done with a technique that is called 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:10.920 front projection. The simple version of what front projection is 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.520 is you have your actors. They're standing in front of 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:18.160 a camera. You have some kind of plane behind them 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.959 so that the ground doesn't just continue to go flat, 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:26.080 something rises up and they're physically on. Right behind that 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.119 is a reflective surface, which I'm just gonna call a 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.040 mirror because it basically is a mirror. But that mirror 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:35.919 is big and turned at an angle, and from the 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:41.840 side another camera is projecting something on it. It's so 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:45.600 that they look like they're in front of what's being projected, 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:48.600 whether it's still or motion film. Right, So it's like 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:52.919 pre good green screen. Absolutely, there was technology at the 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:55.720 time where you could fake the backgrounds, but it was 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.639 really bad. My favorite I always think of that old 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:03.960 these movies Sinbad in the seven scenes where the guy is, 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:07.000 you know, the genie is is going around and you 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:09.600 can tell that they're they're showing it on a movie 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:12.600 screen from the other side. So he didn't want that 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:16.600 because he looked like crap. So he used this technique 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:21.440 and therefore what and therefore it was very realistic. And 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:24.159