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Speaker 1: Here we are at the Lovable Reunion Podcast interviewing our coach.

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Speaker 2: Joe Madams, coach, Anthony's coach, Anthony's plural two.

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Speaker 1: Time World Series champion one as a manager in the

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Speaker 1: three World Series, second most winning percentage of Cub's history

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Speaker 1: behind Frank Chance who ROSSI played for. And I say, Joe,

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Speaker 1: when you surprised everyone in twenty fifteen with signing with us,

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Speaker 1: it was the first block of building a championship team

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Speaker 1: and you literally under your leadership turned the Lovable Loser

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Speaker 1: franchise into expected World Series contenders. So thank you before

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Speaker 1: we get started.

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Speaker 2: But let's give it up for Joe mad Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there were no players there, are you kidding me? Thank

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Speaker 2: you Anthony's and that was I remember that so well,

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Speaker 2: you know, just getting there in the first place. I

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Speaker 2: really didn't have any CUB tradition built into me. I

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Speaker 2: was an American leaguer, you know. I came from the Rays,

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Speaker 2: and Jed and THEO showed up down in your neck

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Speaker 2: of the woods down here Tallahassee and Navar Beach, and

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Speaker 2: I was in my RV at Navar Beach and they

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Speaker 2: come down there and they sit down, we sit down

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Speaker 2: in the back of my behind my RV on this

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Speaker 2: little little beach back there, and just start talking philosophically. Right,

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Speaker 2: and when you.

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Speaker 3: Had some history with them, I did with interviewing in Boston, Right,

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Speaker 3: That was many years before.

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Speaker 2: That was two thousand and four when Tito got the job,

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Speaker 2: and I really wasn't ready for that job at that time.

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Speaker 2: I even told them afterwards, you guys made the right choice.

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Speaker 2: It was a much better choice for me than me

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Speaker 2: at that particular juncture. But I was the best choice

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Speaker 2: at that particular juncture. I thought my time with the

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Speaker 2: Rays really helped me with the planning component of that.

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Speaker 2: I knew what I wanted. You know, you arrive at

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Speaker 2: a point in your life where you know what you know.

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Speaker 2: That sounds dumb, but some people really don't know what

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Speaker 2: they know. They they're regurgitators. They're always repeating things that

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Speaker 2: they've heard from somebody else. But by the time I

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Speaker 2: get to the Cubbies, and even after, I mean even

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Speaker 2: with the Rays, I knew, I really felt I knew

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Speaker 2: what it would take to put us into that position.

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Speaker 2: And of course you have to have great players. Don't

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Speaker 2: be deceived. I mean, managers are good because the players

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Speaker 2: are good, and if you have a really good pitching staff,

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Speaker 2: for even better. And if you have a real closer,

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Speaker 2: you could be the best manager there is. All that

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Speaker 2: stuff is part of the gig. But you guys are fabulous.

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Speaker 2: It was so interesting because the Rays are great. I

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Speaker 2: love Tampa Bay and we're here right now. But the

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Speaker 2: tradition of the Cubs walking into Wrigley Field every day.

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Speaker 2: I would walk in and look up and say thank you,

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Speaker 2: because I never I never experienced that. Anaheim was great

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Speaker 2: for a while, you know, I was, but I was

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Speaker 2: not a manager. And the Rays played at the Troup,

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Speaker 2: which is cool. But Wrigley Field, I think for me

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Speaker 2: is the best professional venue in all of sports. I

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Speaker 2: will go to Europe, all these soccer stadiums, whatever, and

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Speaker 2: I put Wriggly up against all of them, because on

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Speaker 2: a daily basis, those people of that ballpark you could play.

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Speaker 2: I'll shut up in a second, but remember we played

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Speaker 2: the Indians on a Monday and a makeup game. I

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Speaker 2: think it was twenty sixteen, makeup Monday at one o'clock

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Speaker 2: in the afternoon. I think it was Lester versus Clover. Clover.

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Speaker 2: Forty thousand people insane. It doesn't happen so anyway. Long answer,

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Speaker 2: but there's so much adrenaline and excitement in that ballpark

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Speaker 2: every frigging day. And then we have a combination. Now,

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Speaker 2: these guys are great players, but think of the charisma

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Speaker 2: of our group. And it started in fifteen, but it

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Speaker 2: really built into sixteen. But charismatically, you guys are so

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Speaker 2: cool to be with on a daily basis. And I

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Speaker 2: was with a bunch of men. I wasn't with a

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Speaker 2: bunch of kids, you know, And that's really was exciting

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Speaker 2: to me too. So there's a lot of contributing factors

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Speaker 2: to be there because I felt really good about that group. Well,

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Speaker 2: we mimicked the cool manager.

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Speaker 3: You are so outside the box and yeah, shaving the

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Speaker 3: head and spring training, but the shot to the press conference,

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Speaker 1: Remember that press conference like you do really well. Rossie

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Speaker 1: and I had uh we were doing an ESPN car

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Speaker 1: wash for the playoffs and fourteen going into fifteen. I

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Speaker 1: remember I remember talking to about our agents. We had

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Speaker 1: need as a young team. And then you came over

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Speaker 1: and it was like, oh my god, and then we

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Speaker 1: signed Lester and Rossa. At your press conference, it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think you said, you said something along

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Speaker 1: the lines unless you can't be here unless we aligned

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Speaker 1: perfectly with the front office, right, And for a number

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Speaker 1: of years we did. You aligned perfectly at the front office.

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Speaker 1: And obviously later on the years, you know, things changed.

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Speaker 3: A little bit, risk up hitting and offense.

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Speaker 1: That was that was taxes and me hitting, and those

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Speaker 1: years were very consistent.

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Speaker 3: I got to get jab at you every once in a.

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Speaker 1: While, but there's just I respected you so much from

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Speaker 1: Afar as a young player. I was twenty one when

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Speaker 1: I got called up. I was in the big leagues

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Speaker 1: for four years before you signed, and I remember with

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Speaker 1: the rays you did, I think it was like a

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Speaker 1: with stock trip out with that. We did all the

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Speaker 1: things you did, and I'm like, this is what we

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Speaker 1: need because I'm like, as a rookie, like you're supposed

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Speaker 1: to get to the field at twelve o'clock for seven

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Speaker 1: o'clock game, Like why don't we.

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Speaker 2: Get yourself early? It's nuts?

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Speaker 1: And everything you did from Afar I aligned with. So

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Speaker 1: when we signed you, I was literally like a kid.

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Speaker 1: I'm still like a kid every time around.

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Speaker 2: You, so I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: What did you try to implement coming in to Chicago?

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Speaker 3: Like what was you get a new job and trying

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Speaker 3: to learn everything, and what did you feel like when

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Speaker 3: you first got there. I really want to change this,

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Speaker 3: or you're really good about being yourself, But what what

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Speaker 3: kind of a new environment that's that's not easy?

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Speaker 2: I learned something in nineteen eighty five for something like

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Speaker 2: that with Jean Mark that goes back a bit. I

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Speaker 2: was running the instructional League in Arizona. I was the

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Speaker 2: field coordinator and a manager. I wasn't manager, but I

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Speaker 2: was leading that destruction league group. Gene comes in a time.

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Speaker 2: I'm out in the cage. I'm just throwing my BP,

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Speaker 2: but I'm I'm running the whole thing. And Gene walks

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Speaker 2: me one of these, come over and speak with him.

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Speaker 2: You've created a great environment around here. And he had

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Speaker 2: his like polyester's on his here is perfect, smoking his cigarette.

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Speaker 2: He's loved to play golf, bridge, smoke a little bourbon.

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Speaker 2: Then he just takes off like a puff, you know,

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Speaker 2: he just disappears. And I thought to myself, what the

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Speaker 2: he's talking about. And I think when you do things organically,

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Speaker 2: you don't know what you're doing sometimes, which is a

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Speaker 2: good thing. It's like the zone of being a coach

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Speaker 2: or a manager. But but I went home that night

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Speaker 2: and I thought, what hell was he talking about? So

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Speaker 2: I sat around and actually took no I wrote notes

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Speaker 2: by my At that time, I was a big note taker.

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Speaker 2: We built relationships, and when conversations and not just talking

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Speaker 2: to somebody, really listening to somebody, there's a different We

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Speaker 2: were talking about that before we started doing this, to

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Speaker 2: really listen to somebody. People will have a conversation kind

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Speaker 2: of but we really listened to one another, and a

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Speaker 2: lot of times the answer is no. But that's that

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Speaker 2: was my first takeaway. And then what happen because of that?

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Speaker 2: We trusted each other. I mean, and I know everybody

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Speaker 2: wants more ground balls, choreographed early work, all kinds of

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Speaker 2: dead information, booklets on the bench. Everybody wants. That's the

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Speaker 2: You don't start there. You start by relationship building, listening

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Speaker 2: to people. Then you build trust, and then you can

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Speaker 2: exchange ideas. In other words, like David and I have

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Speaker 2: different perspective or thoughts on something. So you give me yours,

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Speaker 2: I give you mine. And because we built trust and

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Speaker 2: we have a relationship, it's not going to be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna listen to Joe. I'm just gonna he's

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Speaker 2: not listening to me right now. It's my way. I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to support them whatsoever. So you get this pushback.

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Speaker 2: So but if you establish those first two things, then

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Speaker 2: we can exchange ideas and I can disagree with you

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Speaker 2: and we could listen because that leads to constructive criticism.

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Speaker 2: Think about it. Think about it. I mean my best coaches,

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Speaker 2: the guys are really loved, the guys that told me

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Speaker 2: when I was wrong. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you said honestly without conpassion, people's cruelty's I

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Speaker 1: took that with me as soon as I heard you

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Speaker 2: You said it early, when you first saw with us.

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Speaker 1: It was game changing for me as a leader, especially

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Speaker 1: as a young leader at the time. Was I can't

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Speaker 1: tell anyone what to do. They don't trust me as

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Speaker 1: a as a person. First, they need to know I

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Speaker 1: had their best interest, Because you go and tell someone

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Speaker 1: if any coach you have coaches all the time you come, hey,

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Speaker 1: you should do this, and I'm like, hold on, I

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Speaker 1: don't even know you. My name is Anthony. Nice to

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Speaker 1: meet you.

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Speaker 2: Perfect, Let's have a beer. Perfect, Perfect, And.

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Speaker 1: You instill that and you come over and you create

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Speaker 1: the greatest culture of a generation. Really, you were such

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Speaker 1: a pioneer and we were the first team to have

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Speaker 1: music at spring training. Every team, all thirty teams now

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Speaker 1: have music. Is everywhere, all the skits, right. You were

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Speaker 1: and then you transitioned and became more of the see

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Speaker 2: So it's like it's a combination of everything.

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Speaker 1: But the journey of Joe in your what fifty years,

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Speaker 2: Don't even know. I started in as a coach in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, as a player in seventy six. But

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that because that's that's exactly how I feel

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Speaker 2: about it. It's a morphing of things. It's not just

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Speaker 2: data and analytics, it's also feel and experience and intuition.

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Speaker 2: I think you know you guys know you know Todd Green,

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Speaker 2: don't you? Yeah? Green? Do you know Todd Green? At all.

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Speaker 2: Green is one of my players with the Angels.

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Speaker 3: Scott Now we were to both catchers and trip away

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Speaker 3: our daughters of beautiful Man.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful man.

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Speaker 3: That's how I went to the hockey mass.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he kept getting his built as a bell rung

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Speaker 2: with that, I said, stop doing that anyway. So Greene

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Speaker 2: brought to my attention it's not old school, it's not

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Speaker 2: we you know. It is great line because I don't

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Speaker 2: want to argue with you about what I learned from

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Speaker 2: Bob Clear in nineteen seventy nine as a coach, or

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Speaker 2: what I learned from Andrew Freeman in two thousand and

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Speaker 2: six or seven as a young manager with the Tampa

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Speaker 2: Bay Race or the Devil Rays at that time. That's

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Speaker 2: not the point, because I all of that is important

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Speaker 2: to me. When you fit. Extremism in any shape or

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Speaker 2: forming in our politics in today's world is awful. I'm

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Speaker 2: not into extremes. I think there's a balance to be

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Speaker 3: You told me that when I called you and I

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Speaker 2: I'm going to make a recommendation right now. I've read

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Speaker 2: really it's academic academia, but she explains it in such

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Speaker 2: that opportunity. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna bust your balls, right,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's what we I wanted to get

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Speaker 1: Yes, guys that were in the trenches every day. And

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Speaker 2: Like that was it? You love the Uncle? Sam posted right,

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Speaker 2: with fifth graders. Okay, I'm not gonna let a bunch

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Speaker 2: I remember Starlin Castro, I remember all the dudes. I

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Speaker 2: If you think you that's right you.

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Speaker 2: Do whatever you wanted to.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, But you would say in your speech and spring training,

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Speaker 2: Just choose right every time we're not that's right. We're

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Speaker 3: And I think that freedom, like you said, you handled

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Speaker 2: The point was if it's the right baseball plate to do,

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Speaker 2: the right thing because you're going to be Hobby right.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you literally I don't think Hobby knows this. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure he does. But how you handled Hobby and just

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Speaker 2: A baseball genius he is. I mean, he just sees

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Speaker 2: But he has to be able to he has to

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Speaker 2: he's not going to the princes. I mean, if he knows,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well most of the time when I did

433
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,679
Speaker 2: talk Hi, when he was getting out of control at

434
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 2: the plate, That's when I would talk to him. I said, Hobby, right,

435
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 2: center counts. You know, that side of the field matters

436
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,159
Speaker 2: accounts also, So I think primarily i'd be that my

437
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 2: conversations would be more when I thought he was getting

438
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 2: a little out of control offensively but on defense. Yeah,

439
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 2: what am I gonna tell me? There's nothing I could

440
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 2: help him with. I mean, that's another thing to know

441
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 2: as a coach, as a manager, even as a hitting coach.

442
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 2: And young Jim Edmonds, I'm up in Vancouver with him.

443
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,879
Speaker 2: I'm the rowing minor league hitting instructor, and James is

444
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,639
Speaker 2: just like tearing it up like he could right, And

445
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 2: I'm just going and I just I stand on the side.

446
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 2: I just watch him, and I'm watching he just tearing

447
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 2: it up. So I'm there for a couple of days

448
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 2: and he's like, you know, why come you're not talking

449
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 2: to me? Says I can't help you. I can only

450
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 2: serve the confusure right now, so please remit me to

451
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,360
Speaker 2: just watch. I'm taking my notes. When I come back

452
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 2: in a town of things are right, I'll say something

453
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 2: to you, But for right now, I cannot help. It

454
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 2: can only hurt you. I feel them exactly.

455
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,160
Speaker 3: That I want to sidetrack because this is like so

456
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 3: important to us. A little bit that has to do

457
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 3: with culture. But knowing your players and having all the

458
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 3: background you did the five levels of a big league Yeah, oh,

459
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 3: like that's the.

460
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 1: Compassion, the compassion you had for your players knowing kind

461
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 1: of where they were at and their journey was unmatched.

462
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 3: And I think that's different when you're actually a player

463
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 3: in the middle of it. And then as a veteran

464
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 3: I looked back, I was like, that's exactly right, Like.

465
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 2: Can you relist those real quick? Yea, let me tell

466
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 2: you exactly how it happened. Ninety five, six six, I

467
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 2: was the first base, first base coach. Yeah, with the

468
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 2: Angels and Marcel lash wonderful. Wonderful might have been ninety five,

469
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,199
Speaker 2: but anyway, ninety first latch if things didn't work out well,

470
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 2: always took the hit. He always thought it was his fault,

471
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 2: and of course it wasn't. Marshall is one of the best,

472
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 2: if not the best, pitchy coach I've ever been around.

473
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 2: Lose a tough game in Nanaham Stadium, and I always

474
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 2: I would sit with him until he left because he

475
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 2: would just beat himself up. So We're sitting there and

476
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just observing. I don't know, I don't know,

477
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 2: I'm not I've never played in the big leagues. I

478
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 2: don't know. So I'm sitting there that night and I'm

479
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 2: taking it all in. I go back to my uncle Ricksaus.

480
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 2: I'm living with Uncle Rick up in Long Beach and

481
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: I get there and all of a sudden had this

482
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 2: epiphany and I again piece of paper by my bed,

483
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 2: wrote it down, what am I seeing here? What am

484
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: I seeing? So I don't know why I went five

485
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 2: levels level one happy to be here, because I was

486
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 2: writing and I was right there. I was only called

487
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: up a year year before. It must have been ninety

488
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 2: five happy to be here as level one, right, and

489
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: we all, like you said, I lost a brand new

490
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: leather bomber jacket at the Hurtz counter on my trip

491
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: from Vancouver to an On for my first trip to

492
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 2: the big leagues, because I was so excited, just happy

493
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: to be there. And then once you get there.

494
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 3: I got to the Big Leagues with the Dodgers and

495
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 3: didn't play, and like about the seventh day and I'm like,

496
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 3: something been triple A. I was so to be Alex

497
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 3: Corer actually told me, I said, he goes, how are

498
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 3: you doing? Russ's like, just happy to be here. He's

499
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 3: never say that I want to go back and play exactly.

500
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 2: So then you once you've arrived at we realize all that.

501
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: Then you get to the next point, Man, I really

502
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: like this. I want to stay here. This is really

503
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: good survival, and survival is very dangerous because when you're

504
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: when you're like happy to be here, you can help

505
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: the team. You're out there playing, you're pre wheeling it.

506
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: You have your blinders on, you don't even see the

507
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 2: third deck yet, the lights, whatever, you don't read the papers,

508
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 2: you don't care, so you're able to be productive and helpful.

509
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 2: But the moment the blinders come off, you start to

510
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: see everything, and man, I really dig on this stuff.

511
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: I want to stare. Then you become very cautious and

512
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: you don't want to make mistakes. You don't want anybody

513
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 2: yelling at you or whatever. I'm not playing you because

514
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,719
Speaker 2: of that. So it works from happy to be here

515
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 2: to like, damn, stage two survival. I like this, I

516
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 2: want to stay here, dangerous, dangerous spot and guys in

517
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: that level really of course they can help you win,

518
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: but their their motivation isn't right. Their motivation is to.

519
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 3: Not to not yeah, almost selfish exactly.

520
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 2: And then here comes level three and this is what

521
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: you want to get to. And I remember, you know,

522
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: for me specifically, even as a coach, I be longer

523
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: I can do this. You know. That's a that's a

524
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: really strong epiphany, that moment when you look around at

525
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: your peers and you feel like you're as good as

526
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: everybody else here, everybody else out here, and you can

527
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: do this on a daily basis. I can contribute. I

528
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 2: know what to say in a meeting. I know how

529
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 2: to break this down because it's the same game, but

530
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: it's completely different minor leagues to bigleies. If we all

531
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 2: know that. So that's it. Level three, I be longer,

532
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: I can do this. Wow, that's when you actually exhale,

533
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: I think for the first time. Level four, I want

534
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 2: to make as much money as I thought you can,

535
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: right exactly. But it's true because it's it's a limit.

536
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: You don't do it for forty years. It's not like

537
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: you're a doctor or lawyer whatever, you could do this

538
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: for many you're you have a definite, finite time limit

539
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: regarding doing that.

540
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 3: So and that's a whole other pressure, right. I want

541
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: to have a good year because four.

542
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: Years there's a lot going on there. Man. So you

543
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: get to level four, I want to make as much

544
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: though as I can. And here comes level five. After

545
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: you've made some money, all you want to do is win.

546
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: And it's true. I mean, you go to the ballpark

547
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: and there's there's no weather agenda. You don't even think

548
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: about anything else but winning. That's it. I mean you you,

549
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: the blinders are on. You see this. Your your focus

550
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 2: is outstanding. You're not worried about all kinds of bullshit

551
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: or crap. You don't worry about it. You're just worried

552
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: about doing my job and then maybe helping somebody else

553
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: around me. And tonight's objective is to win, and how

554
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: do we do that.

555
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: We had a lot of those guys better and guys absolutely,

556
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I think money.

557
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: I think what was great too, is because the mix

558
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: of veterans and young players help that it was so

559
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: easy to be level one through three, Yeah, but also

560
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: be level five because there was no one there that

561
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting to win every night. And that was the

562
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 1: way your solid managing. You played pretty much win win

563
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: every night. Very rarely we laid it down, no, right,

564
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: that's right. Very rarely we punted, and when we did punt,

565
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: it was okay.

566
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was okay.

567
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: When we went through a skid, like I remember Hinsky

568
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: saying all the time, I'll tell you one guy who

569
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: does not panic, and he would point at you all

570
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: the time. Your manager does not. I mean, I'm sure

571
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: you had your own emotions, but there's teams you're on,

572
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: and like you see all the structure starting to crumble

573
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: a little bit, that the coaching staff's starting to be

574
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: pointing fingers a little bit, And was that never.

575
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: I was so grateful it took me so long to

576
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: become a major league manager, you know, because I observed that.

577
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: I regret that I don't experience that.

578
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that's the honesty, got truth. I mean,

579
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: I I saw from so many different angles. Being a

580
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: minor league roving instructor was very helpful too. Just going

581
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: from town to town every five six days, you go

582
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 2: to a different city, see a different manager. You'rs see

583
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: a different manager theirs on the other side, And I

584
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: was always observing what was going on with these managers

585
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: and how they handle situations. So that's part of it. Also,

586
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: So by the time I get to the major leagues,

587
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 2: I knew, like I said, I know what I know.

588
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: I knew, I knew I could get you. I would

589
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: give you examples if you pointed out different situations. I'd

590
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: give you example, I would call recall situations where that's

591
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: where I learned this from, and that's why I was

592
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: able to process it the way I did. That's the

593
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: experienced component of it that I that I were just

594
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 2: talking about it, the control versus experience, the empowerment versus control.

595
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I learned all that stuff. So when we

596
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: got the different situations, I swear to you, I don't

597
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 2: even know. I this is not like a bragging kind

598
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: of a comment. I don't know what it was with

599
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: you guys. If anything popped that I really had not

600
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: been through before.

601
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: When you put when you put Travis Wooden.

602
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: Like, well you remember that that was the night that

603
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: the lefty pitch matisya madis?

604
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that's the We've already discussed that game. Remember

605
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 3: remember CEO came in and pissed off the whole coaching staff.

606
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 3: Lesser told that story.

607
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, it was.

608
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 3: It was hairy. I remember we spoke about it, but

609
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: I remember the yeah, it was very came in, he

610
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: was waiting on everybody, My bad and then the squeeze bomb.

611
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: Squeeze, But I was sick, fearless. Well, the thing was

612
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: I give Deal a lot of credit because Deal went

613
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: on the walk during the game. He was so upset

614
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: with himself because the way the first was they scored

615
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: six runs in the first first two and three. We

616
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: need to to to you know, that's the kind of

617
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: stuff that bonds, that brings things down, there no doubt

618
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: about it. So you take chances when you're gonna lose,

619
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: or if you're losing, the sky is the limit, you

620
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: just throw everything out there. You could be way more

621
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: liberal under those moments, you're way more conservative. When it's tighter,

622
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: you just are. It's just it's the way the game's played.

623
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: So when you're losing or in the process of losing,

624
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: you do anything you can to possibly win. And that's

625
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: that was the wooty thing. And then we did it

626
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: with strophe and left field in Cincinnati one time or two.

627
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: That's what we The Joe West and the umpire are

628
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: really getting upset with me because I was like testing

629
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: the rules a little bit stuff playing that was talked

630
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: about and I talked about, but we he and I

631
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: talked about that. That was like really good. That was

632
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: your idea originally that was his idea.

633
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: Well, it permitted us to do the back picks with

634
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: Hobby and all kind of stuff.

635
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 2: So when you when you when you prep against the Cubs,

636
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: like there's so much to talk about, no doubt, so

637
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: much to talk about.

638
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 3: I want to I want to, like we talk culture

639
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: all day. One more thing I want to hit on.

640
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: How did you you said you've learned this. How did

641
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: you get the celebration after wins? That was a big

642
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: part of Pioneer. That was a big part of us.

643
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: Try to shots after we sweep, sometimes shots before the game.

644
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: Whatever it took. Man, I'm trying to think of, like

645
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: the first time the celebration, I was at the Rays,

646
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: and I can't remember the genesis of it, but I

647
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: do remember the genesis of the disco ball. I told

648
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: Wesley he was the clubhousk. I said, Westy, we need

649
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: some disco balls in here. So like the game would

650
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: be over, we'd walk away win and all of a sudden,

651
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: you like at nightclub, it was like the warm up

652
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: lounge and hazels, and that's what I wanted to look like.

653
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: So we walked in there and all this stuff's going on.

654
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: We had Chris Rock one night at the head of

655
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: the line. We won. We won he's yelling as we

656
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: walk in the locker room with the disco balls going.

657
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: So that was the first thing, and then it just

658
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: worked from there. It morphed into us Saint Paul girls signed,

659
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: It morphed into instruments Lonely brought in like a saxophone

660
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: that he was horrible at playing, but it was great,

661
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: and it just kept evolving Angel James. Yeah, and then

662
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: we turned ours into yeah. Then we took it to

663
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: another Well, we had an actual celebration. Yeah, we had

664
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: walked up. But it never got it never got No,

665
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: it doesn't get old. Celebrating achievement never gets old. That's right.

666
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: When that's and the best part about that is lose

667
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: for thirty minutes, right because there's so many games, and

668
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: it was like after thirty minutes, even if it was

669
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: a tough off, all right, that's it.

670
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: On to the next one. That was that was the

671
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: problem when I had with the Angels, when I in

672
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: the late in the middle to late nineties. Remember we

673
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: lost a huge lead to the Mariners in ninety six.

674
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: We were up by thirteen or fourteen games. I was

675
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: like I was on August, like August six or what August,

676
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: You're born on August eighth or ninth. Okay, how about

677
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: I knew that's all right, that's crazy. So we have

678
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: like a thirteen or fourteen game lead in the beginning

679
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: of August and we lose it. We have a one

680
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: game playoff with the Mariners at the end of the season.

681
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: We lost Ranny Johnson versus Langston in the Kingdom. I

682
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 2: was the first base coach anyway that team and teams

683
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: after that, I felt would take a loss and turning

684
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: into tomorrow's loss. Also, just by the way they reacted,

685
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: I'm watching guys come in the next day. They're sullen.

686
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: They can't even talk to each other. You know. Dave Hollins,

687
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: I love Dave Hollins, and David would be like you

688
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: never did. He did not like to lose, brother, but

689
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: I would like, I would like, always funny man, God

690
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: did he make me laugh. But you you come in

691
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: the next day and that we're still we just lost.

692
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: It felt like we just lost, and I hated that.

693
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: I knew that was why we're going to lose today

694
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: and possibly again tomorrow. Two we finally shake it get

695
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: back to being normal. So that that made me think

696
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: of that.

697
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: That that's simply the celebration one helped you in that day, right, right,

698
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: and then saying with about thirty minutes, like fine soft

699
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: for thirty minutes whatever on man, moving on, Yeah, people

700
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 3: can come in whatever.

701
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: It's just so easy to go through the motions win

702
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: or lose, like all right, well, not the treatment, I

703
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: have to do this now, right Exactly, It's like, hold on,

704
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: let's let's celebrate the guys of the player of the game,

705
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: that's right, or bring guys in and make everyone feel

706
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: a part of it. If if a reliever got big outs, right,

707
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: those guys are on islands for their pictures.

708
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: So it was it was incredible, but losing hard for

709
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: thirties also more because somebody may have had like some

710
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: guys have a good game too, you know, and then

711
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: but we've lost, so they expected to control all of that. Also,

712
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: there's there's respect built into both sides of that, whether

713
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: to celebrate because some guys when you win, had a

714
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 2: horrible day, but they stileft the rebel in the win.

715
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: Yes, that's all me.

716
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: Veteran team.

717
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I would be bad or not play well,

718
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: I had to be so and it helped me get

719
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: over and not playing well because he's like winning cures everything.

720
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I stunk and we won. It was like, all right,

721
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: and that's that's awesome. Not everybody's like that.

722
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yeah, but you gotta learn that skill

723
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: set from around good veterans leadership. It's like, no, no, no,

724
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: we won. I know you had a bad day, made

725
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: three errors and went over, but like back to tomorrow

726
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: because that's the one. I think that the short term

727
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: memory is so important in baseball in particular because it

728
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: is everything.

729
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: There's no coincidence.

730
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: I was coming back down three to one.

731
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: No, no, that was all literally two years of life

732
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: lessons that we're all learning from veterans to young guys.

733
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

734
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: It was just yeah. And when we were talking about trust,

735
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: I thought of I came into your office one day

736
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is the type of manager

737
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: that you were to me. They were like a second

738
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: dad as my manager. And it was I was like, man,

739
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: last night, I think we went to the Aviary and

740
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: Chicago and they make these like crazy drinks and we

741
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: drink a bunch of wine. Emily and I, I oh

742
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: got after your last night.

743
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: Oh nice?

744
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: You asked me what I was drinking? How I was feeling.

745
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I just hit the middle

746
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: one today and it was like I walk out of there.

747
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: I feel so good.

748
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: I just told my manager I got absolutely annihilated last night,

749
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: and he supported me, and I probably went out.

750
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: And had a great game. Sometimes it's necessary, brothers, that

751
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: it's necessary. That's that's we play every day. We play

752
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: every day, and for those that have never played every

753
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: day have no idea what that feels like. And I'm

754
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: not just talking about physically. The mental part of this

755
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: game is the devastating part of this game. When you

756
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: can control your your thoughts and your actions mentally, that's

757
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: the difference between a superstarist and all that being a

758
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: big leaguer being a four A guy, guy that really

759
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: can never get over the hump from triple A to

760
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: that four eight. We call it four A because it's

761
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: the tweener guy between being a minor leaguer and a

762
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: major leaguer. But you can't get over that. It's not

763
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: because your skills aren't good. Your brain just can't deal

764
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 2: with it, man. And when you can deal with it,

765
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: when you learn how to like throw it away. I said,

766
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: tell guys, sometimes you see that big lake out there,

767
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: like I called you know, I called it a notionan

768
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: on the right home tonight. Take all those thoughts, put

769
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: wrap it on a big old rock and throw it

770
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: in that lake, and then come back tomorrow, because you

771
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: don't need those thoughts. Yeah.

772
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: I always said when I played, if I was able

773
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: to mentally shut off for one hour, it was equivalent

774
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: to two weeks reset. So like I'd go out on

775
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: Lake Michigan, or hang out with some friends, or go

776
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: out in Chicago or on the road.

777
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: Tso meet you and Happer at test. Yeah, I was

778
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 3: so hungover in the flight home when I was a

779
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: special assistant and I get I checked the box score

780
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: when we land him and half had the only RBI.

781
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that's one.

782
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: And I'm like, how on that Hecker they even seeing?

783
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: That's funny.

784
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember training morning, just spring training one year.

785
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: We go to Vegas every year.

786
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

787
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: You caught me in the office and I lined it

788
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: up perfect. I was going to play the first game.

789
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: You were giving me off the second. I was like,

790
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: let's set the whole night up right. Joe Cousman's office

791
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: may be a day or two before he goes Hey,

792
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: you know Vegas, you know, puts on a big show.

793
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: They need you to play the second game. It's like, oh,

794
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: and I told him I had this whole night. I'm like, oh,

795
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: He's like, don't worry about it. He's like, you're gonna

796
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: come in to have a great night. There's gonna be

797
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: three balls, try to hit the center one. And I

798
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 1: brought the idea up. I think of the Bloody Mary

799
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: station and the Mimosa bar. Okay, okay, And the next

800
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: morning we are in Vegas. We had a Bloody Mary

801
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: barfore the game, themsation and it was like we were

802
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: there to work and also have fun, and you if

803
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: you don't do both, it's.

804
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: You're gonna implode at some point. That's the point. It's

805
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: all about balance. The whole world's about balance. Your life's

806
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: about balance. You got a new baby right now. You

807
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: know exactly what that feels like. Once you have a

808
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: child of your own, you understand what the word sacrifice

809
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: really means. And until you have that baby, you'll never

810
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 2: really know what the word sacrifice truly means. Everything's exposed

811
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: to you as you go through life and in baseball

812
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: right now, and I'm just gonna pound on it for

813
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: a second, because right now the things we're talking about

814
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 2: are not really embraced anymore. They're not really considered important anymore.

815
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: And to me, they're the most important part of it.

816
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 2: All the other stuff that you want to teach me,

817
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: that's great, and I want I want, like I said,

818
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: the best coaches want, the best staff, whatever. But I

819
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: also want a pressure release valve. There's enough pressure being

820
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: applied to athletes. I was watching the the NBA game

821
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: last night. What does the Spurs and the Knicks all

822
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: of a sudden you're playing a championship game in the

823
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: first month of the season. Pretty much, My god, that's

824
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: kind of like the WBC Classic I guess right, you know,

825
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: a couple years ago when Tawny pitched that. But anyway,

826
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: I believe in the pressure release valve, and I don't

827
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: I don't know that enough people understand that. Everybody that

828
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: everybody that's really never done what you guys have done.

829
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: So much respect for which you guys have done. And

830
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: that's where my my perspective comes from. I never did it.

831
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: I was I was good maybe once two three times

832
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: a week at the most as a baseball player, and

833
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: so the guy that could play every day, I think,

834
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: the hell, how can he how can he maintain is

835
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 2: his focus, his sanity, and not only that, your physical

836
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: repetition of your skill. No, that's that's that's big because

837
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: you know to be able to do everybody takes it

838
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: for granted. But whether it's a good batting stroke, whether

839
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: it's a good throwing stroke, your good fielding stroke, whatever

840
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: it might be, to do that every day, it is

841
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: just than one percent of the population whatever. It's so

842
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: special you, and that's so different.

843
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: He was a switch I was a switch guy. When

844
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: he was playing, his switch was always on. Okay, so

845
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: he'd come in, he's playing whatever, fifth day, playing day,

846
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: of course, I tell.

847
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 3: You, And I was up Lesser's ass because I'm like,

848
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: if you sucking, don't get to hit, I only get

849
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: three at bats.

850
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: Four and then then then who hears about him? Right?

851
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: He had. I had a great argument one night of

852
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: one day of my lock in my office about something

853
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: I said, I pitched it for you or something like

854
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: that in Pittsburgh. Yeah, you came. He got really pissed off.

855
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 2: We had a great conversation. I can't remember exactly how

856
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: it went.

857
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 3: But you were always open. Well, I think it was like, uh,

858
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: it was in fifteen, and I think I get pinch

859
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 3: it for and from like little.

860
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: He was angry elf when he yeah, I was just like.

861
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just one of those things you always

862
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 3: hated getting pinch it for. But I didn't think the

863
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: guy pinch hit for me was better than me.

864
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 2: You know. It was one of those.

865
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: So it was al Contra or something like.

866
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: It could have been yeah, the little yeah switch do

867
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: it to pop? Yeah, he's never had the big league pop.

868
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 3: We tried to Pat. That's when it said, it me.

869
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: Off if you would get mad at me because I

870
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: would be off and I would keep my switch off

871
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: all the time.

872
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: Rossie.

873
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: You know, I could flip the switch at anytime, and

874
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: he's like, my switch always needs.

875
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: To be on.

876
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: What I managed. I came in and ripped the team

877
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: one day, just had an explosion, which there wasn't many

878
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 3: of those. But he afterwards he came to my off

879
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: and he goes I was almost I had to hold

880
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 3: myself back from laughing almost video. I was like, uh,

881
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: you know, but I want to get into fifteen and

882
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about we have our our ideas,

883
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: but when did you think we were good in fifteen

884
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 3: when you're like, oh, these guys figured it out. Was

885
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: there a moment or what? What was we feel like

886
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: it was San Francisco, Remember I sleep in San Francisco

887
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 3: a game sweep?

888
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, is that August? That was like August? Yeah, yeah,

889
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: And that was also Addison at short stop and started

890
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: second base. KB had just oh was first question?

891
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: Sorry, I got to hit this a good one. Did

892
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: you how hard did you fight for KB KB to

893
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: break camp with us in fifteen or did you at all?

894
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: I didn't Did you have to say there was no

895
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: there was nothing I could do because it was it's

896
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: all about the rules. I mean, they could do that

897
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: as much as they want, but it's all about the rules.

898
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 2: Then you could do about that. Not a thing it

899
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 2: was going. It happened with Longloria here when it was

900
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: with the rings. Longo went down for a couple of weeks,

901
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 2: then came up and tore it up. Yeah. KB was down,

902
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: came up and tow it up.

903
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: It's not just nobody.

904
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nobody's fault. It's just the rules of the game.

905
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: That's all that was.

906
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: So there's nothing like division by what two games?

907
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, but there's there's nothing to as a manager.

908
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: There's nothing I could have done as as okay as

909
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: a Gene mock manager. That would have never happened. As

910
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 2: a ear weaver, that would have never happened. I don't

911
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: even know if the rules. Oh my god, everybody, I

912
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: mean everybody was afraid to come into your clubhouse. The GM,

913
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: the assistant GM, anybody else that worked upstairs was afraid

914
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: to come in a big league club house. It was

915
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: that daunting. I love that, I'm not That is not

916
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: an exaggeration, That's exactly the true.

917
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: If the players take over the right way.

918
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 3: I think the good gms are the ones that are

919
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 3: in there every day, but in a positive way, right

920
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: like given, given, given better, better feedback. Yeah, and when

921
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: did you feel like we were good?

922
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: The famous Miggy Montero, we are, we are good.

923
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: When did I feel we were good? I was like,

924
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: honestly the San Francisco Series, because I remember driving to

925
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: the ballpark. We were good before that, I can't remember.

926
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: I can't give you specifically. Could we were building?

927
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: But we we never We couldn't win a bunch of

928
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: a row, but we didn't lose a bunch of row.

929
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 2: We just kind of. I thought that San Francis School

930
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: Series was the seminal moment because it was the Giants,

931
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 2: and I remember driving my pickup truck down Clark on

932
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: the way to the ballpark, and I'm getting myself jacked

933
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: up because I thought this is big. I mean, I

934
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: never apply more weight to anything, but I thought, this

935
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: one's kind of big to handle the Giants right now

936
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: could really send us on the trajectory we're looking for.

937
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: And it did. So we're going there and we win

938
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 2: the first street and then the last game they had

939
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: the bases loaded and nobody out. We're up three to

940
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: two and run. Don't get s out of it, but

941
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: don't gets out of it somehow? Is that right? Right?

942
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: But I thought that was a seminal moment in the

943
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: year where we after that we knew we were good.

944
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: We did. It's not about when I did. It's like

945
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: when the guys know you're good. Everybody's contributing. Everybody, but

946
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 2: our defense got tight. Our defense, I mean with Addison

947
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: and Starling over there, everything changed defensively, which really was

948
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: big at that point. Yeah, I think for me, if

949
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: I had a because I I'm answering the question based

950
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 2: on the fact I remember driving on clark Y Yeah,

951
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's pretty.

952
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: Well, Grandmam. I remember I was sweeping them and they

953
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 3: had two championships on that. But that was the other

954
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: part of the chance, right like, and they said, all

955
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: those guys Buster and yeah, all the boys Letscam and Bumgardner.

956
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 3: I mean they were loading.

957
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, solute. Yeah.

958
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen, you had to move a superstar shortstop

959
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: from shortstop to second base, and he did it with

960
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: he was a great Starlin Casho was so he was

961
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: such a good leader, especially a Latin leader, which it

962
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: was like amazing for me. He was one of my

963
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: biggest mentors when I was young. But for it to

964
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: be able to do that and move him off shortstop

965
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: to second and him you feel good about it, was

966
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: like I have so much history in itself.

967
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: I remember we're talking right now. I'm sitting in that

968
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: little manager's office and Starling sitting right over there right

969
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: and I'm explaining things to him. You know, I'm sure,

970
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure he hated it, right, but he never he

971
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: never was disrespectful. He listened all the way through. And

972
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: this is really the best part about that for me,

973
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: as a manager, because I think that's the way it

974
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: should be. It was just me. It wasn't like a

975
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: front office dude with me or anything like that. It

976
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: wasn't like I would I wasn't being supported or the

977
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: conversation didn't include other voices. Was just me and him,

978
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 2: as it should be. The only time you bring somebody

979
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: else in, you think there's going to be a fight

980
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: and the guy, and the guy's pretty big. But anyway,

981
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: he sat there and he took it, and I told

982
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: he wasn't going to play for a couple of days.

983
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: I told him that because we wanted to get him

984
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: used to second base and never cried or complained. You

985
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: remember how well he played after that?

986
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, even Alfonso because Soriano was such a good

987
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: leader and he sorry would have like I think sorry.

988
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: One year played with the assistant is the entire YEA.

989
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: He wanted to play every day. Stalin taught me every

990
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: day thirteen I hit like two thirty. Hey, keep your

991
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: head up, we play every day. You play every said

992
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: that too, I don't care if we play every day well,

993
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: And I learned as a young player that's how it's valuable,

994
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: that's how you earned horse upmost amount of respectful.

995
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 3: When you're talking about that some of some advice I've

996
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 3: passed along that I use. It's like when I was managing,

997
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, I tell the guys the truth

998
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 3: because if I lie to them, you know, like give

999
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: them that line, you know.

1000
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not only in baseball, but anything else.

1001
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: If I if I tell you the truth, you might

1002
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: not like me for a week or ten days, but

1003
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: if I lie to you, you can hate me forever.

1004
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: And that's such a truth. And going back on players experience,

1005
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: and especially when I was coming up, it was a

1006
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: little bit more. They would sugarcoat some things or not

1007
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: to eat right, and all you wanted to do as

1008
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: a man is like just tell me where I stand

1009
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: right then it's on me. And you did a good

1010
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 3: job of that. But that phrase I've used so much

1011
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 3: just because it's like I again, you try to have

1012
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 3: compassion with it, but I'm going to hit you with

1013
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 3: the truth knowing I'm on your side. I'm on your side,

1014
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna just be completely honest and transparent because

1015
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: I think that's the best way for you to be

1016
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: able to deal with it and us.

1017
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: To move forward. Everybody moves forward after this, right, exactly right.

1018
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: Otherwise there's always this consternation, interpretation, what does you really mean?

1019
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: All the stuff questioning you're ready gets it gets dragged out.

1020
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: This is the sharp knife compared to the doll knife.

1021
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: Always use the sharp knife. Always when it comes to

1022
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: a tough decision, use the sharp knife, because then it

1023
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: has a chance to heal more quickly. The dull knife,

1024
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: you get a bad edge, it just gets uh, it

1025
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: doesn't scar properly whatever, and eventually turns into like a

1026
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 2: scar tissue that really never goes away. Use the sharp knife.

1027
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: When you use the sharp knife, like you just said,

1028
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 2: everything moves forward rather quickly after that.

1029
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: Another pioneer thing was you would send the lineup out

1030
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: the night before. Oh yeah, and that was I never

1031
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: heard of that.

1032
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: I did that. I don't know if you did.

1033
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: Now it's hated now it's almost a customers standard practice

1034
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: because if for me, thankfully I played every single day,

1035
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: but I never worried about that in everything, but being

1036
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: a leader on the team and say Halp wasn't playing

1037
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: or short wasn't playing. You got to talk to them

1038
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: off the ledge. And if you get to the field

1039
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: and there they see that day that they're in the

1040
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: line they're not, and then they're pissed off all day

1041
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: over one sixty two. It just takes a little chink

1042
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: of the armor. Yeah, you know, and you need all

1043
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: guys pulling the same road.

1044
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 2: Now. I'll tell you how I learned that. Darren urstat

1045
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: do you guys know, Yeah, don't mess with I never

1046
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: play with him. I love that man.

1047
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 3: He reminds me a lot like he's like utly, like

1048
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: he's gonna, yeah, he's gonna, he's gonna do whatever it

1049
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: takes to win.

1050
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 2: Correct. So with social as a manager, and we didn't

1051
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 2: do that. We didn't put the lineup out the night before.

1052
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: So uh, going the next day and I'm in charge,

1053
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: I'm the bench coach doing all the paperwork and stuff.

1054
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: I gotta go tell Arsty's not in the lineup. Oh

1055
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: my god, he says, what do you tell me last night?

1056
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 2: Because if you don't tell somebody the night before they're

1057
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: not in the lineup and every day guy, then you

1058
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: really don't have a day off. There's no night off,

1059
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: right because because you go through your whole routine and

1060
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: you get up at the same time, you eat whatever,

1061
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: you want to eat, you come to the ballpark the

1062
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: same time, so you don't. You really don't get a

1063
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: day up unless somebody knows they have a day off.

1064
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: A regular player the night before. The utility guy not

1065
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: necessarily as much, but a regular guy really needs to

1066
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: know the night before for him to truly have a

1067
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 2: day off. So Erstye taught me that. So I used

1068
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: to do that even before that, though I did that

1069
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: in instructional leagues. When I did instructional leagues, I used

1070
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: to put a week's worth of lineups up in advance,

1071
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: so everybody knew when they were playing. And instructionally, you

1072
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: play a different day service. You're not just an everyday guy.

1073
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: But I wanted guys to requisition their work in a

1074
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: way that you could maximize their work and they knew

1075
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: what they had to do on a daily basis.

1076
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I believe.

1077
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: But when I got to as an inter manager, I

1078
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 2: was that. A couple of times with Agels, I would

1079
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: I would have the lineups as they were walking out

1080
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: the after the night game whatever on the on the

1081
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: door as they walked out and be the next day's lineup,

1082
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: And that's when I started doing it. So that was

1083
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: in ninety six I was an interim manager and ninety

1084
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: nine I was an intern manager. That's when. That's when

1085
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: we did that there.

1086
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: So I remember this. It was so good and I'm

1087
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: gonna plug Corona here. Stroke by strophe was grinded for us,

1088
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: or like in August or September and you told him

1089
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: the night before you are not hitching tomorrow, and then

1090
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 1: next day there was like a little blow up locker

1091
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: with Corona or a little umbrella like a beach chair.

1092
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: And I was dying because you you recognize that and

1093
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: you're like, no, you you grind it for us, You're

1094
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: you're down, You're do and enjoy it. And always for

1095
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: me it was like when I was down, I knew

1096
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't playing for the most part, or I was

1097
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,959
Speaker 1: I turned off until like the biggest.

1098
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: Wish, right it had to be like something dire that

1099
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: we had to use it. But yeah, well, and.

1100
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: Front office is now the one thing that I I

1101
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 3: definitely saw as a player and try to use as

1102
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 3: a manager, Like you give your everyday player off. It's

1103
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 3: not an off day if you're expecting the pinch hit, because.

1104
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: The guys now if you can't if you turn on

1105
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: when you're an everyday player, if your mind turns on,

1106
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: it's not an off day. Yeah, if so, when I

1107
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: would like I would tell young guys. I told Anthony

1108
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: Volpi he he heard his shoulder and he had a

1109
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: couple of days off. I'm like, dude, just watch the

1110
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: game with no expectation. That's what be a fan of

1111
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: the game. Sit on the top step and like, enjoy

1112
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: where you are and if you have to turn on

1113
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: to get a pinch it, just do it. It's one

1114
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: a bat like stay off because that's stress, that mental stress.

1115
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: The value of off.

1116
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 3: Days or the value of the everyday player. I backed

1117
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 3: up Brian mccannon Atlanta. I was like, my one goal

1118
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: is not to get this guy up off the seat,

1119
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 3: you know, like that's how I get your person wanted

1120
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 3: to win. I want to win today because I know

1121
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 3: if we're winning, he doesn't pinch, hit for me or

1122
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 3: of course for somebody and go in. But fast forward

1123
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 3: to the end of fifteen a little bit. I think

1124
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Wildcard Game is the most important game it comes.

1125
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: I think that the most wild game of all.

1126
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 2: Right, how about it?

1127
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 3: You let you let Arieta go see g Right, the

1128
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 3: nastiest picture on the planet by far, but that that

1129
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 3: would be so taboo in today's.

1130
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: Game, are you kidding me?

1131
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: Well, well, well, Mota just did it right with the dollars.

1132
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeh yeah, yeah, okay, but let me let me give

1133
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 2: you the history on that one. You remember, we were

1134
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: playing Minnesota in Minnesota and uh Jake pitches a nine inning,

1135
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: complete game shutout. I think it was a four hitter.

1136
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 2: It might have been a two four hit or whatever.

1137
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: But we won eight nothing. So I got a lot

1138
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: of crap because they did not pull him out when

1139
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: we started leading eight nothing in that game. We were

1140
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: it was a closer game, I think seventh or eighth inning,

1141
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: we scored several runs and it eventually made it eight

1142
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 2: nothing going into the ninth inning. I think he had

1143
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: like that, right aroun one hundred and ten pitches easy

1144
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: to pull him at that point. The thing that I

1145
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: learned as a minor league coach, I thought, instructor, when

1146
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: the dude walks off the mount with a complete game shutout,

1147
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 2: changes them, changes them. And I thought, and I thought,

1148
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 2: within within limits, let him go back out there. I

1149
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: think he ended up with nine innings, twenty four shutout

1150
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: and very limited number of hits.

1151
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: Well, a both lot of confidence.

1152
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 2: That's it. I mean, you mine once another one and

1153
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: mine once stretched. How's a difficult time going back to

1154
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: its original form? So the once you stretch your mind

1155
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 2: to nine innings and I like this, it's a drug.

1156
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: I want to do this all the time. I got

1157
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: a lot of craft from the front office, quite frankly

1158
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: about that. I love that. Why did you Why did

1159
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: you pull him after I gave him the exact reason

1160
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now. I can remember calling Charlie

1161
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: pitching a complete game and palm springs and whatever the

1162
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: year that was. I'm the roving instructor, David holridch same thing.

1163
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 2: Guys you've never heard about. But it definitely enhanced their

1164
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 2: their minor league careers at that point. But so when

1165
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: he gets to the playoff game in Pittsburgh, Jack's done

1166
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 2: that before. Why do I want to go?

1167
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: No doubt in his mind.

1168
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: He's tweeting, He's tweeting, I don't know if you saw

1169
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: those like there because Pittsburgh was loud. I mean that

1170
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: place when when Pad he made the air and there's

1171
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: basis I couldn't even I couldn't hear myself breathe there.

1172
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean it was lit and they were they were nasty.

1173
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania all black.

1174
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: The whole stadium was black.

1175
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1176
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: And he's tweet before. It doesn't matter, it doesn't he

1177
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: just goes out there. They try to hit him.

1178
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: Tony Watson, Yeah, I remember that, yees little clear, right,

1179
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: that's right.

1180
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: That that too was another. That celebration after that was

1181
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: like two hours.

1182
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I remember the war.

1183
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we beat the Cardinals, who were the gold standard.

1184
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: That's right.

1185
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 3: That was a big one.

1186
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: R We had to take it from that's that. You

1187
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: have to take it. Take it from them, and we

1188
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: did because we didn't beat our ass. That's right. At

1189
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: the beginning of the year, the games we lost in

1190
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: Saint Louis, we didn't know how to win yet, that's right.

1191
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: That's because we were were winning. And then they came

1192
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: back and it was like these motherfuckers exactly. And then

1193
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: I take the ball back, I said, I remember the coaches.

1194
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: He's always come over to the weight room. Uh, hey, Ras,

1195
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: what's up man?

1196
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 2: How are you? The other Cardinal coaches, we started beating them.

1197
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: They never saw that, never that beautiful thing, that's right.

1198
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 2: Exactly right. That's but I remember the game in Pittsburgh.

1199
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 2: My god, but it was one of the more we

1200
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 2: play some almost perfect games, like in sixteen against the Dodgers,

1201
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 2: when the clincher against the Dodgers Kyle Hendrick, that's like

1202
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: almost a perfect game. That was like a perfect baseball game.

1203
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: But that game in Pittsburgh, that really did put us

1204
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 2: in a different stratosphere. Ye absolutely, I.

1205
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: Remember how loud it got. We made one air in

1206
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: that basis load of membory that and so.

1207
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: I was saying double and you were like, whoa, I

1208
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: was seeing stars stars. I never that was my first

1209
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: time in the playoffs, the first game, I'm like, what dozing?

1210
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: So in twenty fifteen, we beat the Cardinals, we roll

1211
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: into the Mets, I'm fully convinced that we're winning the

1212
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: World Series. That's that's first time winning our chemistry. And

1213
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: we run into the bus saw of that gauntlet of

1214
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: a pitching staf We get swept, heartbreak, did everything we could.

1215
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: The magician, I think jack Hammer Magic was great, jack Hamer,

1216
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: but like we left that feeling like I was heartbroken.

1217
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: We come into sixteen and it was like we were

1218
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: already the World Series.

1219
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 3: Champions.

1220
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: I felt that. I don't know if anyone else, I

1221
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: feel like everyone that was the way. It was the

1222
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: best camp I've ever had. All the skits that my

1223
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: wife thank you, but.

1224
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: In the back of it, that's a whole other show

1225
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 2: in the back of the band.

1226
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: But it was just everything was like so in flow.

1227
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: Guys were doing their job. We knew what it took,

1228
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: we were determined, we were hungry, and we go into

1229
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: that season. We get off to this insane start. Right

1230
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 1: what the third game, fourth game, Shoreber goes down, yea

1231
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: huge blow, like devastating because he was a dog and

1232
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: he was one of our guys. And as early as

1233
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: Lackie's first start, the Diamondbacks put up what five or

1234
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: six runs off of them in the first and we

1235
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: just boat raced them exactly and it was like, we

1236
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: can't be beat. It was insane that that start to

1237
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: that season.

1238
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: But that's where that's where it embraced.

1239
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: The target came.

1240
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: Man.

1241
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 3: I thought, like, you know you, you had to kind

1242
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 3: of marinate over that all off season, and there's so

1243
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 3: many things that came from that that I still that

1244
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 3: are kind of in my soul as a as a

1245
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 3: baseball guy. It's like, you know, having the target on

1246
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 3: your back is a good thing, and you know, just

1247
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 3: know we're not perfect, right, Like it's and process and

1248
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 3: the things that built us as a championship team with

1249
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 3: the hunger of getting so close and losing the year before,

1250
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 3: the process is fearless, constantly reduced, like the things that

1251
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 3: you had on the Embrace the Target shirt in spring training.

1252
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 3: Like all that's a culmination of the culture we talked

1253
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: about earlier, going into a team that had a lot

1254
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 3: of young guys but in a lot of expectations.

1255
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's kind of interesting, man, because that all happened.

1256
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: That started in the winter meetings after the twenty fifteen season.

1257
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: Might have been in San Diego. I'm not sure the

1258
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 2: winter meetings were at the time. However, you remember the

1259
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: manager gaggle. Everybody gets in front of the manager and

1260
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: they start firing questions. Now, we have not won anything

1261
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 2: since nineteen oh eight, and all of a sudden, now

1262
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 2: you're being picked to win the World Series? Right, how

1263
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: does that happen? So I remember we're there and I'm

1264
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: getting all this stuff fired at me, and I did

1265
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: not ruminate. I didn't think about this at all. But

1266
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I just said, we just need

1267
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: to embrace the target. That's how it came out. I

1268
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 2: was being pressed against the wall. Hey, we just got

1269
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 2: to embrace the target. And then from that all this

1270
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 2: other stuff flowed out of that. That's exactly what happened.

1271
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 2: But I do I've always had the mindset. I like

1272
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: the word pressure a lot. I like the word expectations

1273
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: a lot, not a little bit a lot, because whatever

1274
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: you're doing, if you do not have pressure and expectations

1275
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: apply to it, why do it? I mean, what am

1276
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: I doing here? Even if you play golf, you want

1277
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: at least a quarter?

1278
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 3: You know, you said that in spring training, you said, guys,

1279
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 3: the expectations are a good thing. Like, think about that.

1280
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: You've said that and are a little out there on.

1281
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: Those stretch feet. YEA, yeah it is. It's a good thing.

1282
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 2: And I think too many times people run away from

1283
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: those words and they see them as being a negative

1284
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: or ominous, And I honestly believe it's completely the opportit

1285
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 2: to think about it. And you just talked about the

1286
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: most disappointing time you ever had was after the twenty

1287
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: fifteen season, and that totally raised your level of expectation

1288
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 2: the next year, and you ran right toward that and

1289
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: whole thing, that whole shirt that we that I built

1290
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 2: up on that that took me some time. That was

1291
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 2: done on my iPad, and I wanted, I don't know why,

1292
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 2: but I do things like that once in a while.

1293
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: How could I make the point started with like nine

1294
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 2: equals eight here with the Rays in two thousand and eight,

1295
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 2: I did that, even like in nineteen eighty six or seven,

1296
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: I had a shirt for the boys in minor league

1297
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 2: and the minor league camp. Every day counts, So that's

1298
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: where it begins.

1299
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 3: This one had together and then after that was nine

1300
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 3: is one.

1301
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right. And that

1302
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: was from that was from That line was from Kendrivisa.

1303
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: Because I always showed all my stuff to Kenny. So

1304
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: Kenny I was living in Long Beach too, and Kenny

1305
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 2: was right down the street. I would run all my

1306
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: stuff by the dirt bags before I said Kenny was

1307
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: set up a meeting. I'd go into the clubhouse of

1308
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: locker room with the Long Beach State and I would

1309
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: run my spring training stuff these guys just to practice

1310
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: rep Yeah, a little prep. That's it. And then Kenny

1311
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: would always Kenny didn't like the processes frills, he didn't

1312
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: get it at first, argued about that, and I was

1313
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: just trying to tell them the process, wax emotion. It's

1314
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 2: great if you if you stick to the process, you

1315
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: could you do anything because you just you just stay

1316
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: with this, this, this and this, and I don't feel anxiety, emotion, eagerness.

1317
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,439
Speaker 2: I don't feel any of that. I just I stick

1318
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: with the process. So that was that was that part

1319
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: of it. And then you know the parts of the

1320
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 2: little ancillary things on the outside of it, you know,

1321
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: just keeping yourself together. There's something there about uh coach Walsh,

1322
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: Walsh with these forty nine ers. Was in there a

1323
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 2: guy by named Welch with ge uh change before you

1324
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: have to. I think all these different things are involved

1325
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: in that, all the things I thought, Yeah, you know,

1326
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: I just tried to encompass it in this big circle

1327
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: with a narrow through. That was that was the target.

1328
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 2: That was like that weird little aari But anyway, that

1329
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 2: was me on an iPad trying to make sense because

1330
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: how do I sell this to the team. That was

1331
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: always my thing. All these different things I did in

1332
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: spring training. With those meetings, I wanted to make it

1333
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: interesting for you guys, and I wanted to get the

1334
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: point cross it. Wanted something to hold your attention, and

1335
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 2: even right down to the paintings that occurred later. And

1336
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: also those paintings were for me, hopefully to attract young fans,

1337
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: like kids that really weren't at the base. Well that's

1338
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 2: kind of a cool painting. I mean, so all these

1339
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 2: things had a purpose, and yeah, that was that was everything.

1340
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: Everything had a purpose that I was doing. And there

1341
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 2: was a lot of pressure on me in a good

1342
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: way because I didn't want to disappoint I had I

1343
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 2: had to try to outdo myself every year. That's why

1344
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: I looked at that was my that was my edict

1345
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: to myself do better than you did last year. That

1346
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 2: was it, and that's what I tried to do.

1347
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: We certainly didn't disappoint, Thank you the greatest second to

1348
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: Frank Chance.

1349
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 2: But Frank's got me two of them, two of them.

1350
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we got two rings. We got to think

1351
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 3: for average.

1352
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 2: That's why we do have to.

1353
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: We boat raced all year. We had a little blunt

1354
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: before they all start, which was virtually nothing in the

1355
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: grand scheme of how I remember you saying, though, this

1356
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: is what happens when you get off to such a

1357
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: good start, you have room for error. And then we

1358
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: kind of went on cruise control and then September, I

1359
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: feel like the team ramped it back up and our

1360
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: first our playoff journey was not easy. We have the

1361
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: even year of the Giants, which is a real was

1362
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: a real thing, and thank god we came back in

1363
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: game four because we did not want to see Cuato again.

1364
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: That's in game five, right, and a lot happened in

1365
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: that series. Then we go and I'll see us where

1366
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: we were talking about the move that you went and

1367
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: with you pinch it al Mora and then they brought

1368
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: him Blant and then you pinch it Maggie knowing that

1369
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: Niggy just got a courtizone shot, right?

1370
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 2: Did you know that? I did not know that, thank god,

1371
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 2: would have mattered.

1372
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 3: I remember seeing that that. That to me was like

1373
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 3: one of the like the chess played there. You know,

1374
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 3: there's things as a player every once in a while,

1375
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, our manager's man.

1376
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 2: Well, did you know who would we pinch it for?

1377
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: Originally with do you yeah? Of course you do a

1378
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: roll this chat. We brought Champion earlier in that game,

1379
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 2: and he was holding everything down and I moved them.

1380
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 2: I double switched to the point I double switched to

1381
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 2: the point where I thought he had never come up.

1382
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 2: And then he came up, and the freaking bases are loaded.

1383
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna let Chappie hit right there. So

1384
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: it took a shot. And then yes, you have to

1385
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 2: know in advance that if I send the right We

1386
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 2: did the same thing against the Giants when when we

1387
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: beat him in that fourth game. But anyway, you got

1388
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: to know that if they do this, we're going to

1389
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,479
Speaker 2: do that now blind if you remember, it was also

1390
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 2: kind of a reverse split guy. He had this that

1391
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 2: cutter slider that came out on the left el and

1392
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 2: he gets to an O two count, and that might

1393
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 2: be one of the loudest home runs that I mean,

1394
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 2: off the bat that I think I've ever heard.

1395
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 3: I remember, I looking back, I remember Maggie on so

1396
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 3: much off speed late in the year. Whether he would like,

1397
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 3: you know, I just remember that vividly when he hit

1398
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 3: that home run, I'm like, this slider is going to

1399
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 3: go right into his But you know it did. Thoughts,

1400
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 3: it did freaking he crushed that ball.

1401
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 2: It was so loud. But yeah, that was so. I mean, listen,

1402
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: I'm debating because, like I said, you double switch him.

1403
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: I think we moved them eight hitters away from where

1404
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,439
Speaker 2: the leader piter was going to be. So that's that's sake.

1405
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: We should be able to score some runs by then

1406
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 2: then I could actually leave them in if we get

1407
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 2: to that point. But sometimes the math doesn't work out.

1408
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened. And that's because I did

1409
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 2: not want to take a roll this out of the game,

1410
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 2: but we had to do it at that point, and

1411
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 2: then you have to rely on the other dudes. But

1412
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: that was a big moment and as well as saying

1413
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 2: Game four against the Giants, to me, that was the

1414
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 2: World Series.

1415
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: How hard is it looking back now when you're in

1416
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: that moment, you know, the double switches in the National

1417
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: League where it's a mastermind of the dude, it was

1418
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: so good? Or was it just because you love I

1419
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: remember when you came over here. I love the National League?

1420
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: The better it is much better, that's right. So but

1421
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: you're in that moment where NLCS where one hundred and

1422
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: eight years where we win that series for one of

1423
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,919
Speaker 1: the World Series. I've been there in what's sixty plus years.

1424
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: Making those decisions in the heat of the moment is

1425
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: not be easy.

1426
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: Well it's not easy, but you think about them in advance.

1427
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the whole thing. I mean, I, like

1428
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 2: I said, I knew he moved the mate spots, and

1429
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 2: then okay, I wasn't worried about it until I had

1430
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 2: to start worrying about it, and then you have to

1431
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 2: start playing it all the way out and then there's

1432
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 2: like who's going to be the pinch it or if

1433
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 2: in fact we're going to do that. So that was

1434
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 2: the beauty of the Nationalague game. And everybody poop poos

1435
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 2: that I'm here to tell you, man, anybody that says

1436
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 2: it's just like a double switcher. But I mean there's

1437
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 2: so many things that go on. I mean there's times

1438
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: Davy really helped me out because sometimes I would do

1439
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 2: some things that required a lot of movement and I

1440
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 2: get lost. Sometimes Davy and Davey would like help me

1441
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: out with putting it back together, because when you start

1442
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 2: doing all the things we did, like moving guys pictures

1443
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 2: to the outfield in the back and things like that,

1444
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 2: it can get kind of. But here's the thing though,

1445
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 2: I loved it because I felt we could have an

1446
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 2: advantage because if I know what I'm doing with that,

1447
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 2: then that works as an advantage for us versus the

1448
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: group that's not as bold, you know, doing something. You

1449
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 2: got to be bold to do those things. And again,

1450
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: if you're losing Sky's limit, do whatever you want. If

1451
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 2: you're tired or winning, it becomes more difficult. And that's

1452
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 2: what you We were up by a run.

1453
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's difficult to take your clothes.

1454
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: That's right. Just trained it for that's right.

1455
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: That's we got Chapman at that deadline. It was like

1456
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: just another shot of confidence.

1457
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: That's group.

1458
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: I've been on teams for thirteen fourteen years and there

1459
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: was one time at the deadline that I felt like

1460
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: as a player. We won the deadline and I was

1461
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: two and sixteen. Yeah, we traded for Chappy. We went

1462
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: out and got the best reliever on the market to

1463
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: solidify already a really deep backend, bultit and it was like, holy.

1464
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 3: Shit, and I felt the same way. The only other

1465
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,959
Speaker 3: time I felt that way was twenty thirteen the Red Sox.

1466
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 3: We won and they went out and got Jake pe

1467
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 3: who at the time was the best starter at that

1468
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 3: all part. You know, when your front office implants like

1469
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 3: we know what you need and we're gonna go get

1470
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 3: it for you. That's another part of like I think,

1471
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 3: winning organizations that just goes unnoticed a lot of the

1472
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 3: times because people play the long game. In the safe game,

1473
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 3: you only have so often, right you don't I have

1474
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 3: so often to.

1475
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 2: Go for it. It's all about the long game anywhere. Man,

1476
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 2: I don't even know that. Everybody's got a four or

1477
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 2: five year plan and nobody ever wins. I mean, I

1478
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 2: don't get it. I don't understand all that stuff. I

1479
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: mean I understand what they're doing, but I don't understand

1480
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 2: why they do it. Yeah, THEO made it. Then they

1481
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: made a great move on that. YEA, well we don't.

1482
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 2: We don't do that without all that, without how much

1483
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: And I mean, listen, I you know, if you remember

1484
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 2: at that time, I think Stropie got hurt right at

1485
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 2: the end of that sea is that when he know

1486
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 2: that's that when he hurt his knee. But he didtase

1487
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: coming face. He did something right, so and Strophie was

1488
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 2: out of the mix a little bit. Hector was like

1489
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 2: not as good because he'd been a little bit impacted

1490
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 2: by Chapman being there.

1491
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 3: Well, I thought, I thought, that's the one thing that

1492
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 3: you look back on, and you know, we got Chappy

1493
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 3: and then kind of some of our horses that had

1494
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 3: driven us got kind of sideline. And from a manager's perspective,

1495
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,439
Speaker 3: like I think I leaned a lot into veterans.

1496
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 2: Like safety for the veterans for me.

1497
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 3: But you really did a nice job of like Montgomery

1498
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 3: and c. J.

1499
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 2: Edwards and like Gris.

1500
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 3: Guys, remember remember that, remember that getting out of that

1501
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 3: basis loaded jam? What what is that when you see

1502
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 3: that as that that your gut, that your your eyes,

1503
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 3: you're right eyes eyes.

1504
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: I think I'm for me, I think it's my eyeballs.

1505
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 2: And listen, I I'm so grateful, like I said, or

1506
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 2: I think I said it earlier, that it took me

1507
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 2: so long to become a major league manager. I scout

1508
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 2: it for a long time, and I still consider I

1509
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 2: still consider the most important thing I've ever done in

1510
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 2: order to become a big league manager successfully would be

1511
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 2: to have been a scout, because I think I could

1512
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 2: see talent before talent becomes talent sometimes, so Carl Edwards.

1513
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 2: I mean, my god, I mean I love that boy. Yeah,

1514
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 2: it was devastating. And then I mean, how about Montgomery.

1515
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 2: I mean, and I didn't realize it at the time,

1516
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 2: but of course bors he did. The last side of

1517
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 2: the World Series, Martinez was sitting like one ten against

1518
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 2: Lieutenant curveballs. So he's just feeding Mickey curveball.

1519
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: Curving that you know right exactly, it's theirs. It had

1520
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: not seen one at batanding.

1521
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 3: And we know that that's what he did. That's what

1522
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 3: our that's what I'm sorry. Guys were prepared. You're talking

1523
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 3: about process and preparation, like everybody was on board doing

1524
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 3: their job at that moment, and.

1525
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 2: So you have you have that.

1526
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 3: I thought it was a genius too, because Rajie was

1527
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 3: going to steal that bad.

1528
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe you didn't go.

1529
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe. I was like, he's going right.

1530
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 2: I for for a first pitch, I thought he was

1531
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 2: going I think the left.

1532
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 3: He scared him a little bit. You're right, just a

1533
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 3: little bit. You're a little bit harder. So like probably

1534
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 3: something that you don't equate for actually helps out because

1535
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, well, you bring him in before that was

1536
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 3: like well, Raji's fixing steel. He's a second now Base

1537
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 3: ties it out.

1538
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: CJ wasn't good at holding runners on either.

1539
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no.

1540
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: What was your process? Like, what are you telling your

1541
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,839
Speaker 1: staff going into the World Series where all this pressure

1542
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 1: on journey of your career. It's real, right, we did

1543
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: a great job at quieting it, but you're the lead

1544
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: bull with your with your coach. Is it business as usual?

1545
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 2: Is it? Don't change your thing, don't change your thing,

1546
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: No more meetings, don't get try to get smarter. Uh,

1547
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 2: just just do what we've been doing all year. I

1548
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 2: think that's the trap. Teams that try to get smarter,

1549
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 2: add more information, We're scott to reports, more people in

1550
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 2: the clubhouse, more more data, and uh at analysts coming

1551
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 2: downstairs to try to help you out. I ran into

1552
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 2: it with the late nineteen ninety Angels, which we didn't

1553
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: never really got anywhere. But we get closer to the

1554
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 2: playoffs at the end of the year, and all of

1555
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 2: a sudden, everybody beat it. The skint of reports that

1556
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: get bigger, giving guys more information.

1557
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 1: More people around.

1558
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 2: Oh my god, It's like, are you kidding me? It's

1559
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 2: the exact opposite. Sure, it's less info, it's less people around,

1560
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 2: it's it's status quo as much as you possibly can.

1561
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: If you remember, I didn't take VP one time in

1562
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to go out to the soap opera.

1563
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: That's that's finny bkab and I think that's two. We

1564
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: just stayed in. You guys did all right well, but

1565
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: that's because of back you gave us. We had that

1566
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: level of confidence that we can do that. There's a

1567
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 1: lot of guys that I feel like they have.

1568
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 2: To go and do it. See, that's just that's just

1569
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 2: that's the classic cover my ass situation. That is has

1570
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 2: nothing to do with anything you know or believe. That's

1571
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 2: covering my butt. That's all that is. All. This choreography

1572
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: before the games is also a cover of my butt situation.

1573
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 2: I want listen, if somebody needs ex work, I'm I'm there.

1574
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 2: I'll be the first guy out there. I want them,

1575
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 2: I want them out there. But if you don't necessarily

1576
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 2: need early work or don't need it every day, an

1577
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 2: athlete that is both mentally and physically not tired is

1578
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: much better than all these different work that you want

1579
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: to put out there that you're going to get a

1580
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 2: mentally or physically exhausted. They don't realize people that really

1581
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 2: haven't done it. You can't hold that many thoughts. You

1582
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 2: can't hold that many thoughts. Too simple better, I'd write,

1583
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 2: I don't want you holding that many thoughts. I can't

1584
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 2: hold that many thoughts. Although I will say this, and

1585
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 2: I've always said this, you could inundate the staff with

1586
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 2: as much intel as you possibly want, but then it's

1587
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 2: up to the staff to give you the nuggets that

1588
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 2: we think are necessary. Like bors he's Bor's. He's better

1589
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 2: than any analytical staff there is to prepare a game

1590
01:10:58,720 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 2: plan on.

1591
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: Any I used to have Borsey after every year Mike

1592
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: started catching break me down fully what I wasn't because

1593
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: it's so hard as everyday player realized where you're missing

1594
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: when you're When year Freddie Freeman told me, he was like, hey,

1595
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: we don't play you the rest of this year, and

1596
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to see each other in

1597
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 1: the playoffs. And he goes, you're not swinging at first

1598
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: pitch breaking balls, and I'm like, what, I didn't know

1599
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: that I get traded. It's twenty twenty one. I get

1600
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: traded in the playoffs that year first pitch breaking ball

1601
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: from Evaldi. I'm aware of this now, Gomer and the wild.

1602
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:32,839
Speaker 2: Card with the Yankees.

1603
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 3: Information is powerful, it's crazy.

1604
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: But sometimes you just don't know. And then of course

1605
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: when you have people that you trust that tell you

1606
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: these things. But if you don't trust them and they

1607
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: tell you these things, you're.

1608
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 2: Like, that's right, get out of it. It's it's not

1609
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: it's useless.

1610
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 3: At that point, Game seven start started talking.

1611
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 1: I do want to start talking the World Series?

1612
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1613
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 1: How special was that?

1614
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,560
Speaker 2: My god? Just yeah, you'd been throughing for with the

1615
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 2: race I did with the Rays, then the Angels. So

1616
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 2: we went with the Angels in two thousand and two,

1617
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 2: but I was the bench coach, raise as a manager,

1618
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 2: and that was think about it. That team, I think

1619
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 2: when seventy games year before, you know, seventy I think

1620
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 2: maybe sixteen, I don't even know. But then you go

1621
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: and you we didn't win the division. We were the

1622
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:19,560
Speaker 2: wildcard team, but you end up playing the Phillies in

1623
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 2: the World Series. We beat the Red Sox, so you

1624
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 2: remember the ground ball. I mean we were up three

1625
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 2: to one in that and you guys came back games.

1626
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 2: That was eight.

1627
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,560
Speaker 3: We talked about the first time we met and we

1628
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 3: had the same agent going through my lefting tickets young Buck, Yeah,

1629
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 3: left in tickets.

1630
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: I was with the Red Sox though, so I was

1631
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: happy they won Game six. But we're there, yeah, and

1632
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: we are down three to one. Yeah, And I was like, no,

1633
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: this ain't happening because last year we were down three

1634
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 1: when it was like our win was out of the sales.

1635
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: But this year we last year we went in and

1636
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: like we were talking and all this stuff and what

1637
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: we leave in the clubhouse, we do if we just

1638
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: won game five, right, because that was a gauntlet of

1639
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: a game.

1640
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 2: What was your take on? I had a pizza party

1641
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,799
Speaker 2: that night. My kids were in town. I had pizza

1642
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 2: at the I was living right off Lake Shore. We

1643
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 2: had a big room downstairs. I went at the I

1644
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 2: don't know if I rented. We just got it it all.

1645
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 2: My kids were there, A bunch of my mom was there.

1646
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 2: Pizza party. I really felt good. I felt our pitchings

1647
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 2: was lined up properly for the for the games in Cleveland.

1648
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 2: I did. I never lost faith, absolutely not. We That

1649
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 2: was Halloween. I wore a Halloween outfit on the bus.

1650
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:35,839
Speaker 2: It was like a suit with a bunch of daggers,

1651
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 2: and I wanted to try to keep it as normal

1652
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 2: as you possibly can. That's that's always been my method.

1653
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 2: When you when you when you, when you stop being,

1654
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 2: get a normal outside your normal pass that's what people

1655
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 2: as I tend to go up. So my my main

1656
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 2: objective is always to keep it as real as you

1657
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 2: possibly can. But I never I never lost faith. I

1658
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 2: never did. I Arieta and Kyle, I felt good.

1659
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: I felt lesser.

1660
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 2: Game five too, Chapman came in. I think in like

1661
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 2: the seventh, there was no what else do you do? Yeah,

1662
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 2: there's no Game six, there's no fun.

1663
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: So that was the one thing. I think the only

1664
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: thing I ever questioned was leaving him in to go

1665
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 1: out in the ninth in game six, right, I just

1666
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: hit the homer, that's right, And I remember the dugout.

1667
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 2: Like can we get Travis Wooden? Like yeah?

1668
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: And he went back out.

1669
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 2: I think he looked a gun four straight pictures out

1670
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 2: of him and I took him out.

1671
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: That I think that was the only time because right

1672
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: as a player, I would always I would always ask

1673
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 1: you questions because I wanted to know like and I

1674
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: felt like I knew you perfectly.

1675
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 2: No you're right, I mean I was. I was torn

1676
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 2: on that. When I had I already had talked to

1677
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 2: I think Boss about getting somebody else up in case

1678
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 2: something happening scored a bunch of runs. It was in

1679
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 2: my head. The problem with me was that I've been

1680
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 2: burning Cleveland in the past. In that particular bar I

1681
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 2: had been. I mean just with the Angels. I think

1682
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 2: we were leading like nine to one or nine to two,

1683
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,560
Speaker 2: either the eighth or ninth any with personal in the

1684
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: game and lost the game. So it's just stupid stuff

1685
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 2: like that. And but it worked out. But there's no game.

1686
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 2: There's no game seven if you don't win game six,

1687
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. Also, so it's I can't defend

1688
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 2: my choice right there. It worked out fine, But I

1689
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 2: knew watching Chappie thwar to the first hitter, get him out,

1690
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 2: get him out, he was like he was pissed. He

1691
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 2: was pissed too, I thought he was, or yeah.

1692
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 3: Six or yeah, it was like you run Homer separated, right,

1693
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 3: that was.

1694
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 2: A separator, right, but but no, But the point was

1695
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 2: I bought him in because Lindor was hitting, and we

1696
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 2: got out of a big situation with Lindor in that game.

1697
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 2: And again, if you don't win that, you don't you

1698
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 2: don't play game seven.

1699
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 3: So well, and we I talked about going back to

1700
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 3: the little bit that I got to manage is like

1701
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 3: you get burned from a game, you know, like those

1702
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 3: games that somebody comes back.

1703
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 2: My memory is too good.

1704
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 3: It sticks, It sticks, no doubt time out of times,

1705
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 3: like yeah, this manager was burned because of this or that,

1706
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 3: like they start telling stories about because you get like

1707
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 3: you think it. You can't take any for granted, and

1708
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 3: then the World Series is going to be No I

1709
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 3: want the guy out there throwing a hundred Okay, how

1710
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 3: much were up?

1711
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 2: I know that was That's the one thing I agree,

1712
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 2: and I've actually said that publicly that that's the one

1713
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 2: thing that I knew was wrong. I did it and

1714
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 2: then but we rectified it because he needed to pitch

1715
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 2: the next day obviously.

1716
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: Yea game in game seven? Did we do a shot

1717
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: before Game seven? Did the whole staff?

1718
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 2: I think we did. Yeah?

1719
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we all pregame do our shot toasts last

1720
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: game of the season. Right, Well, you guys you told me, yeah,

1721
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: you guys had a good conversation.

1722
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, great conversation.

1723
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what about what happened.

1724
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 3: Your plan was. It's like you never really I hadn't

1725
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 3: been in your office much all year, and you know,

1726
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 3: you're always kind of down. You you keep things so

1727
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 3: close to the vest as far as like, really, what

1728
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 3: you're going to do in a game. And you told me, hey,

1729
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 3: you're coming in with Johnny, I don't know when the

1730
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 3: next the next day, and then uh remember going down

1731
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 3: in a bullpen and how crazy that was. And then

1732
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 3: I came in early, not knowing what's going on. We

1733
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 3: had a me you and BOS had that conversation about

1734
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 3: how's he look and I remember saying, uh, like, he

1735
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 3: looks great, but I don't know how many bullets he's

1736
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 3: got it right? He was firing I've never seen.

1737
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 2: You said, is as good as you've seen him throw

1738
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 2: the baseball? Something that yeah, he was, he was.

1739
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: He was just wanted to go in the game.

1740
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 2: That was right. And I didn't even consider that right right,

1741
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 2: but I should have. But no, that's what you told me.

1742
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 2: You told me how good he was. Yeah, and I

1743
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 2: trusted and you.

1744
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 1: Trust your players, beauty.

1745
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 3: But that we talked earlier, like you're just you. You

1746
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 3: didn't go in your office with an idea and you

1747
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 3: not go I love it. You know what I mean,

1748
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 3: Let's do it. I mean Lester taking me out of

1749
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 3: the game. He told the story about you guys taking

1750
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 3: me out.

1751
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1752
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 3: He just came in your office like, I love it,

1753
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 3: let's do it.

1754
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 2: I was not thinking about that. Yeah, you know that

1755
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 2: was all John Johnny.

1756
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: He told me that that's like super cool. But I

1757
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,839
Speaker 1: remember when you took Kyle out. I'd never Kyle's stoic

1758
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 1: right zen Master, he had his glove in his mouth.

1759
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: I was fucking pitching around him because he pitched around

1760
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: walks Intanna faced kidness because he kind of owned he

1761
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: thought he owned kidness, and we.

1762
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 3: Love the kidness matchup. I remember talking about.

1763
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was the first time I ever heard

1764
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 1: emotion from Hendricks. And now looking back with experience ten

1765
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,560
Speaker 1: years later, it's like, if if Hendricks knew that you

1766
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: may have pulled him, he would have pitched to Santana differently,

1767
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 1: because it was like, all if I, if I don't

1768
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: get him out, then he starts maybe pitching a little scared, right,

1769
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 1: So it's maybe in the moment you're like, no, he

1770
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 1: should have pitched the kidness right, But it's like all

1771
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: these things that pictures. When pitchers get that hundred pitch mark,

1772
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 1: now they're pitched differently because if I don't get this guy,

1773
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: if they're going batter to batter. So you look back

1774
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: on it with more wisdom and it's like, thank God,

1775
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: he didn't know the whole thing that he was on

1776
01:18:58,760 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: a pitch.

1777
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 2: The building was precipitated not by Kipness, but it was

1778
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 2: by Lindor because we talked about Johnny and not bringing

1779
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 2: Johnny to a dirty inning. I did not consider Santana

1780
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 2: on first base only with two ounces of dirty inning.

1781
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 2: I just did. Yeah, I didn't, That was not my

1782
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 2: interpretation of that. But if Kidness gets on and Santana's on,

1783
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 2: that's two guys on with two outs, and that is

1784
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 2: dirty and that I did not want to bring Johnny

1785
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 2: into that. So it was almost like I mentally my

1786
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 2: hand was forced to do what I did when I

1787
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 2: did it because I did not want to have Johnny

1788
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 2: on that out there with multiple runners, and I liked

1789
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,640
Speaker 2: a lot the Kidness Johnny relationship. Johnny had warmed up.

1790
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 2: That was the second time warming up already, so you'd

1791
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 2: have sat down if he did not use him there

1792
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: to warmed up the third time to bring him out

1793
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 2: in the game, and at that point it worked out.

1794
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: If he would have made a good throw, he almost killed.

1795
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 3: There was a swinging bot and the defensive guy may

1796
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 3: have shown his leg. No, no, I mean I'm talking

1797
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 3: about I like, I'm not in there for my bat.

1798
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 3: And then there were Johnny that you.

1799
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 2: Hit the big home limit I did. It's not about

1800
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 2: you though, It's.

1801
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 3: Not about me. But no, I mean it was a

1802
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 3: swinging bump from getting this. We had him two and

1803
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 3: I threw it away and then Johnny knows. I remember

1804
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 3: the Scalle report talking about Boresy no strike breaking balls

1805
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 3: to Lindor. So he shakes the breaking ball throws. I

1806
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 3: got thirty foot, its off my mask. I trip over

1807
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 3: my leg. You know, two runs going right?

1808
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, what happens the game?

1809
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 3: We just two back in?

1810
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 2: I was it was.

1811
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 3: It was nuts.

1812
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 2: But so that's the people don't understand that the move

1813
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 2: was made on uh the not dirty inning. If if

1814
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 2: Kyle doesn't get out Kipness, then now it is bad.

1815
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 2: But I do want to lefty on Lindor. Yeah, I

1816
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 2: want him hitting right handed. So there's a lot going

1817
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 2: on right there.

1818
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 3: And Johnny up a third ten. That's the other thing

1819
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 3: we talked about. Yeah, he's firing bullets and been up twice.

1820
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 3: I probably can't get him back up.

1821
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 2: And that's another thing. It's all it's very that's that's

1822
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 2: a really difficult jigs up. And believe me, I'm thinking

1823
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 2: all this stuff in that nano second. It's not like, oh,

1824
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 2: it after us. It was. It was all going on now.

1825
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 2: We had already wounded up Montgomery earlier in the game

1826
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 2: a little bit, I think early on, because if you remember,

1827
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 2: Kyle was being hit around a little bit earlier before

1828
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 2: that some art contact. But then again, if you bring

1829
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 2: Kyle in that particular situation, I mean Montgomery Mikey, then

1830
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 2: Mikey doesn't get the last out of the game. I mean,

1831
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 2: it's just like the world, the world would happen. Yeah,

1832
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 2: it's just how the world played out. So I'm not

1833
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 2: a revisionist historian. How it happened is how it happened.

1834
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 2: That was real. So we could you could do all

1835
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 2: the what ifs and how about whatever. It's exactly a

1836
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 2: dock down buy stuff.

1837
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 3: Right.

1838
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 1: I say this with all due respects. I can say

1839
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 1: whatever I want, right, that's right, that the fact that

1840
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: that's right three days after we win the World Series

1841
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 1: and the media is like, why would we they do that?

1842
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 1: We just fucking wrote one hundred years how to pray

1843
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: to a billion people, five million plus people, and there's

1844
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 1: articles being written saying Joe should have did this, right,

1845
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here my language.

1846
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 2: No, not that. I mean that's what's done all the

1847
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 2: time now, right. I mean that would have been like

1848
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 2: normal pristandard procedure to get Kyle out in the fifth inning,

1849
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:52,719
Speaker 2: see and Kip this for the third time, that would

1850
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: have been like because no one's even questioned exactly exactly

1851
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 2: right going into that.

1852
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 3: Season, Kyle was like third time through got hit a

1853
01:21:58,680 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 3: little bit harder. Remember that.

1854
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it was, But it was only based on

1855
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:03,560
Speaker 2: what I'm telling you. It's just then the fact that

1856
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 2: if Kipness gets on and I want Johnny on the door,

1857
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 2: that would have been the dirty thing. I was not

1858
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 2: looking for. That was so I was trying to get

1859
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 2: ahead of that moment. Kip this with Johnny was a

1860
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 2: really good matchup, and we got what we're looking for.

1861
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 2: It's just a tough play that that ball rolled out

1862
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 2: farther than you thought, that's what I saw? Yeah, for sure,

1863
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 2: it kept going, kept going away from you. Yeah, so

1864
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 2: fucking he's a he's a brick.

1865
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 3: I rushed the throat my hand. He grabbed me a

1866
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 3: little bit when stretched a little more.

1867
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: What about when ra hits the homer?

1868
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1869
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: What what are you thinking?

1870
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 2: I said to Davy, I said, who's up for his

1871
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 2: next inning? That's the first thing that I went, man,

1872
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 2: that for his next inning? Right, who's up for his

1873
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 2: next inning? That's it? I mean I thought that. And

1874
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 2: then the the more difficult part was who to send

1875
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 2: out in the ninth inning? We sent out said, right,

1876
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 2: the fact that Chappie got through the ninth amazing is

1877
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 2: like its owns.

1878
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: How many times have you seen a closer blow it

1879
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 1: in the eighth?

1880
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 2: Right?

1881
01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 3: I don't think Miggie gets enough credit. I agree with

1882
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 3: the break like like I look back on, I was

1883
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 3: calling all heaters because I didn't catch Chappie that much.

1884
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 3: We would we would he would come in with Miggi.

1885
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 1: Or Contraras, and so I was like, we're catching scared.

1886
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 3: Maybe, well, I knew the sky was said no sliders,

1887
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 3: and then I didn't know the splitting wasn't really a

1888
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 3: factor that year. So I just kept like, oh, it's

1889
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 3: one hundred, he'll pop it up, and I did.

1890
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 2: He just went further than I wait, just to it

1891
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 2: done into his bathroom.

1892
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 3: Ye yeah, and I looked. I remember looking, he's she

1893
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 3: was choking on the back like Corona. Yeah, well plug there.

1894
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: So Raj hits the home run. I'm at first saying this,

1895
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: this fucking curse is real, like playing dirty numb, my

1896
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 1: full body numb, and you're going.

1897
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 2: That is like, that's why I said, I asked David

1898
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 2: that immediately.

1899
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 3: I never I moved. I turned the page a lot

1900
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 3: as a catcher that I just remember. I kept going

1901
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 3: back to God, dang it like Eli, like you know,

1902
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 3: like it took me a minute just to turn.

1903
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: A page, like you hit the home run rain delay. Right,

1904
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: we're in there, Chappy just got traded. He's like he's

1905
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 1: instantly one of our brothers. He's in there with tears

1906
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 1: in his eyes. Right, feels so bad, and it's like,

1907
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: how can you feel bad?

1908
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 2: Do you?

1909
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: You've thrown forty innings postseason right a horse and then

1910
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 1: comes out later with your story with your dad's hate

1911
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: And was that a moment that just came out of

1912
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 1: nowhere for you.

1913
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 2: That's twice I've done that. My dad was in the

1914
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 2: dugout for the two thousand and two when World Series

1915
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 2: for the Angels. Also wow wow. My dad passed in

1916
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 2: two thousand and two, so he died in April fifteen,

1917
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 2: two thousand and two. So we're the Angels in the

1918
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 2: World Series in two thousand and two. I had his

1919
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 2: hat in my backpack, which it took to every ballpark.

1920
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 2: So I ran upstairs in that game against the Giants

1921
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 2: and I brought it down. I used to have that

1922
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 2: little table set up in Anheim Stadium in the corner there,

1923
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 2: and I put the hat underneath my book looking out

1924
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 2: at the field. So he was been to two World

1925
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 2: Series victories. So that time in Cleveland, I went up

1926
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 2: there and I said, screwed. I put in the back

1927
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 2: my my pants like your belt is. I stuffed it

1928
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 2: down and there so I thought nobody would see it.

1929
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 2: And I think I had the jacket on it at

1930
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 2: that time, so I figured it was not going to

1931
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 2: be seen, so I put it. I was during the rainelay, right, yeah,

1932
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 2: went upstairs and rangewl and did that. That's right.

1933
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 3: Was amazing? Was uh?

1934
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 1: When during that rain delay. Well, I mean there was

1935
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 1: tears in the weight room.

1936
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 2: I don't I don't go there. I I just I

1937
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 2: went upstairs. I wanted to see the weather map. How

1938
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 2: long this is going to last?

1939
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 1: Seven?

1940
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 2: Jed was there, Jed Hoyer was up there, were looking

1941
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 2: at the map. I can't remember exactly what I talked

1942
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 2: to him about, but it's a it's a real It's

1943
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:45,560
Speaker 2: one of those, you know, obviously horrible moments. But you

1944
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 2: guys did you guys did great. I mean, after that

1945
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 2: meeting with with Jason, I walked out in the field

1946
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:52,839
Speaker 2: and I said, damn, I mean, you guys.

1947
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:54,759
Speaker 1: Look like ghosts and ghosts.

1948
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but y'all look like the game was just get

1949
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 2: ready to begin. That's that's I mean, the energy was

1950
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 2: outstanding before was leading off. He walks by me and

1951
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 2: it's like he's like this guy throws me to cut around.

1952
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna you know, saw, and I'm like, I

1953
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 2: was like rais in that sta. Remember we worked on

1954
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 2: that during.

1955
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: Series was lost this year on a bad secondary lead.

1956
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 2: That's right.

1957
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: We won arguably the Ones World series because of a.

1958
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 3: Read that he stuff we had worked on.

1959
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: Standards we did, We worked on that stuff. We were

1960
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: protocol says, don't tag go halfway.

1961
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 2: That's right. I'm read it, and I think I think

1962
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 2: Hyder was screaming from the attack of the bank.

1963
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, really good coaches, Yeah yeah, yeah, it's how did

1964
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 3: you celebrate when the whole thing was done? What went

1965
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 3: through your mind on that that last out?

1966
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 2: I was exhausted. I mean, I thought, when you caught

1967
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 2: the ball, I thought one and eight. That was my

1968
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 2: first thought, and I thought of my my my dad

1969
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 2: of course, and then my family. But also I get

1970
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 2: really happy for the coaches. Don't take that wrong, because

1971
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 2: it's really important for the coaches, you know, the salary

1972
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:58,560
Speaker 2: they make compared to what everybody else to make. So

1973
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:00,640
Speaker 2: because I was a coach, so I'm really happy for

1974
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 2: the coaching staff that this is going to be really

1975
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 2: benefit their family. I really that's one of the first

1976
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:07,560
Speaker 2: things I think about. And then of course I just

1977
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 2: watch you guys through the dog pile out there, and

1978
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's fabulous. So it's really weird because

1979
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 2: it's such an exhausting moment. I mean, to get to

1980
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 2: that point, to get to the seventh game of the

1981
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 2: World Series, after everything that the prepp for spring training,

1982
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 2: spring training, regular season, playoffs on top of playoffs, on

1983
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 2: top of playoffs, down games, three games to one, come back,

1984
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 2: get in a position, win and then actually win it.

1985
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 2: Like you're saying, there's nothing to be critical over that point,

1986
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 2: it's it's just like there's so many ebbs and flows

1987
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 2: to that moment, and everything somehow is to break your

1988
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 2: way at the right moment. It just has to. You know,

1989
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 2: the base there's good baseball luck and there's bad baseball luck.

1990
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,639
Speaker 2: So maybe the good baseball luck and nobody talks about

1991
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 2: is the fact that they they the Indians took out

1992
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:55,640
Speaker 2: Coco Crisp for defensive purposes for Martinez. Had they not,

1993
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 2: then he's hitting in that particular spot and much more

1994
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 2: formidable hitter than Martin. So so when you start, you

1995
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 2: start what if what if? That's what if? It is life?

1996
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: It's life, I mean, what if what if such an

1997
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: iconic world you win Tito Tito as a manager, historic

1998
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame manager as well.

1999
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 2: Well.

2000
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 1: The Indians were sixty plus years, we're one hundred and

2001
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 1: eight years. The fans were just so into it, everyone

2002
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 1: was so happy we win. The celebration is just absolutely epic, right, Yeah,

2003
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 1: and it changes our lives course whatever. Ten years later

2004
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 1: we're talking about this reunion.

2005
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 2: It's going to get even more prominent as we moved

2006
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 2: along the the the war, the way that the fables

2007
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:41,560
Speaker 2: waste being told. Twenty years from now, thirty years from that,

2008
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 2: I was going to grow.

2009
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully.

2010
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 3: Did you feel like it was harder looking back on

2011
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:50,759
Speaker 3: setting expectations and twenty fifteen of how you were changing

2012
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 3: the culture and the winning ways or managing the expectations

2013
01:28:55,040 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 3: in sixteen, I mean it was a year to Yeah, I.

2014
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 2: Think you know, just the way you describe that, just

2015
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 2: they go hand in hand, right, I mean you have

2016
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 2: to set the expectations and then you have to manage them.

2017
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 2: I say, when it comes down to managing expectations, I'm

2018
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 2: more about setting them, you know, and I don't really

2019
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:17,600
Speaker 2: necessarily worry about managing them. I think that if you

2020
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 2: set it up right and you got the right group,

2021
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 2: and you know, you work your day properly kind of

2022
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 2: takes care of itself, I think. I mean I never

2023
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 2: I never really think about that phrase to manage my expectations,

2024
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 2: but I do think about setting them up if.

2025
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 3: It feels like there's a couple of times that we've

2026
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,759
Speaker 3: talked that of, like you just stay in the process.

2027
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 2: I do. I'm pretty good in a moment. I'm pretty

2028
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 2: good present tense guy. There are certain times I'll get

2029
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,600
Speaker 2: I'll get outside of that process when you're tired a

2030
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 2: little bit, you know, maybe something bad happening, You're just

2031
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 2: your confidence might have taken a little bit of a hit.

2032
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 2: But for the most part, I'm able to get back there.

2033
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know how much of it's kenra

2034
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 2: visit and all the training I did with Kenny, even

2035
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 2: as a coach. I mean as a player though I

2036
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 2: was playing quarterback when I was ten, right, my own

2037
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 2: plays when you're ten years old, you know, So there's

2038
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 2: something to be said for that. I mean, I actually

2039
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 2: called my own plays when I was ten, and they

2040
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 2: stay Trooper Eagles, State Trooper Eagles huddle. I'm calling the

2041
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 2: plays and I ad audibles to call to. So what

2042
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 2: does that mean when you're ten years old? How does

2043
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 2: that play fifteen, twenty thirty years down the road. I

2044
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 2: don't know, but I did. And I was a captain

2045
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 2: on almost every team that I played on. If I wasn't,

2046
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 2: so you always have this responsibility kind of thing, and

2047
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,560
Speaker 2: do you be both are probably the same way. So

2048
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 2: how does that actually translate into being able to stay

2049
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 2: in a moment accepting responsibility. The probably way to lead

2050
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 2: for me is not through intimidation, but through in communication.

2051
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 2: That's the appropriate way to lead. And I think my

2052
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 2: best dudes, and I've talked and talked about Bob Clear

2053
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 2: in my book. Bob Clear was my guy with the Angels.

2054
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 2: He was like the best baseball coach I've ever been around.

2055
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 2: And then coach Bob Root my backfield, my quarterback coach

2056
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 2: at Loafiat College. This man, God, I just one of

2057
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 2: the best communicators to me. And if I came off

2058
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 2: the field and I did the right thing or to

2059
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 2: call the right play and he validated it, my god,

2060
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 2: did I get puffy, you know, because I just respected

2061
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 2: him so much. Communication.

2062
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 1: Think about think about in your time not only with

2063
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 1: the Cubs. We'll talk about the Cubs in specific, how

2064
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 1: many lives you've touched as far as fans, players, legacy.

2065
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 1: There's things that you said that I said today about

2066
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 1: what I took with me as a player that I

2067
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,640
Speaker 1: used my whole life. And it was like, and I

2068
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:32,679
Speaker 1: tell you this ten eleven years later and you remember

2069
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: these things. Yeah, it's not the Ricky Bobby. I was

2070
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 1: high when I said that, Like you you genuinely, you

2071
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 1: genuinely remember because in that moment of my life, it

2072
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: was the biggest like aha moment for me that I

2073
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 1: learned and took with me. And there's hundreds of players

2074
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: that you've probably touched or along your journey, right which

2075
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 1: is just insane to think about. You know, when you

2076
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 1: live a life, what do you want to leave behind

2077
01:31:58,000 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: the legacy?

2078
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 2: And it's like you're you're pushing me back to my

2079
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 2: minor league days right now too, absolutely, because I mean

2080
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 2: starting out as a minor league coach in nineteen eighty one,

2081
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:10,640
Speaker 2: I was twenty seven, Like I had Dicky Scholfield and

2082
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 2: Devon White on my first team in Idaho Falls as

2083
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 2: an example. And if I wrote down all the lists

2084
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,840
Speaker 2: of the guys, you do unbelievable that I that made

2085
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 2: the really good major league players. And it is it's

2086
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 2: it's it's ominous to think that the one thing because

2087
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 2: but you never think about that. I never think about that.

2088
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 2: Ricky Lee Jones, songwriter, singer, she wrote, you never know

2089
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 2: when you're making a memory.

2090
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 1: You know.

2091
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just never know when you're making a memory

2092
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:40,560
Speaker 2: or whenever you're making an impact, because I've never I

2093
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 2: never evaluate myself that way. I don't. I really appreciate

2094
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 2: what you guys are saying.

2095
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 3: You've made an impact for us?

2096
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 1: Can too?

2097
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 2: You don't bring cah Ken? Yeah right, yeah, bring this

2098
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:52,599
Speaker 2: story ken, Ken.

2099
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 1: I'll say as quick, can have me do a drill

2100
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 1: in spring training, close my eyes, do my whole pregame

2101
01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 1: batting routine, like from the on deck circle to the box.

2102
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 2: It times me.

2103
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like the elites get it within a second.

2104
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:07,600
Speaker 1: I got it within a second. He's like, you'll be

2105
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 1: surprised how many guys go through their entire visualization process

2106
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 1: and get it within like a second of when they

2107
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:14,519
Speaker 1: opened their eyes.

2108
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 2: Okay.

2109
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 1: And I carried that with me for every whenever I

2110
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:18,919
Speaker 1: was in a rut, I would go through my process.

2111
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 1: I remember jumping on Aaron Judges back one time. Right,

2112
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you do that absolutely. I was all the

2113
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 1: time about Ken and are you breathing?

2114
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 3: Man?

2115
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 2: Are you breathing? That's right?

2116
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 1: And he would jump on my back if I was struggling.

2117
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 1: Hey man, I gotta get on your back. You feel

2118
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 1: the weight of the world get off your shoulder there,

2119
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 1: and it's like these little things that just make the

2120
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 1: biggest impact in lives, and you've certainly done that for me.

2121
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 1: You've certainly done that for me. So this is like

2122
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 1: I was, I'm so happy.

2123
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 3: Look, this has been amazing. You've You've obviously impacted a lot,

2124
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 3: and we're so thankful for how you impacted. This has

2125
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 3: been really fun for us and we've got all year

2126
01:33:55,560 --> 01:34:00,599
Speaker 3: to celebrate this. Any advice you would give Joe Madden

2127
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 3: from you, you're talking a lot about minorly days to

2128
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 3: now you're no longer managing and all the crazy impact

2129
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,640
Speaker 3: you've had in between, Like what advice would you give

2130
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 3: to our baseball people that are listening or fans and

2131
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 3: some of the stuff that's helped you out the most

2132
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:19,599
Speaker 3: that we can. Yeah, I mean we need one more

2133
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 3: nugget from you.

2134
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually put it on a T shirt once,

2135
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 2: and I think the word comes out to authenticity. I mean, everybody,

2136
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:32,640
Speaker 2: everybody wants to be like everybody else. They're so we

2137
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 2: have influencers everywhere right now, and of course I had

2138
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 2: influencers too, no question, and watch the weight. I wear

2139
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 2: white shoes when I play football because name of it whatever,

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Speaker 2: I wear bigger face mask. But at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, don't run away from who you are and

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01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 2: what you believe in. And also know what you believe

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Speaker 2: in too. I mean, it's not that you can't be

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Speaker 2: you can't make adaptations or be flexible. You have to be,

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01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, just really know

2146
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 2: what you believe in and put it out there. I

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01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 2: think to t times people will attempt to say what

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Speaker 2: they think somebody wants to hear. We've already kind of

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Speaker 2: covered this, but put out there with what you what

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Speaker 2: you truly believe in, and I think the respect you

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Speaker 2: get in return for that is greater that because even

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01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 2: if the person you're speaking with doesn't agree with what

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Speaker 2: you're saying, they'll probably listen to that and take it

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01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 2: to heart, and maybe you're gonna make an impact in

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Speaker 2: that authentic way, because if you if you choose to

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Speaker 2: not really be who you are or authentic, it's really

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01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 2: difficult to copy or put that fake thing out there

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Speaker 2: on a daily basis, which a lot of people do exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's very transparent, right. So I just think

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Speaker 2: the word authenticity had never run away from it, and

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Speaker 2: and and authenticity cannot be manufactured. It's got to be organic. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: thank you. Love done, guys, You got.

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Speaker 1: Why such you guys look back.

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Speaker 2: Und H