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Speaker 1: I pitched stories for three decades, and I kept thinking

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't my writing.

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Speaker 1: I'm winning awards on Broadway, I'm winning Tony's, Obie's Drama critics,

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Speaker 1: but I can't sell a script because they were Latin stories.

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Speaker 3: Man, what's handed? Man? You got mar Shin, Besmall Lynch.

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Speaker 4: Doug Hendrickson and Gavin knwsome and you're listening to politicals.

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Speaker 3: You're going to be, you're known to be. So look, man,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you like this. I had an interesting

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Speaker 3: conversation with this very smart gentleman, and he told me

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Speaker 3: not to be speaking on shit and just let shit

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Speaker 3: happen organically. And then all of a sudden I heard

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Speaker 3: I'm being what is that ship called endorsed? I'm being

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Speaker 3: endorsed by the fucking governor of California around for mayor

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Speaker 3: of Oakland. So you know, I don't know if how

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Speaker 3: this how this uh, how wise this wise man is

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Speaker 3: who told me to let this shit happen organically?

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Speaker 5: I told you.

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Speaker 4: I got a bunch of people called me, their potential

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Speaker 4: opponents of yours, saying is this real?

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Speaker 3: What the hell's going on?

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Speaker 5: This is BS? I love mar Sean, but what the hell?

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Speaker 5: You can't be serious about.

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Speaker 3: This like that? But I am, though, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean? Like, so, man, I be listening to these uh,

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Speaker 3: these politicians and shit, man, and you know I ain't

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Speaker 3: I ain't into all of that shit. But you know

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Speaker 3: when I be listening to them talk and they be

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Speaker 3: how much of that is gonna you know, I mean

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Speaker 3: benefit people of color that look like me, like I

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Speaker 3: don't never hear no plan on how that shit go.

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Speaker 3: And then they say a lot of bullshit that don't

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Speaker 3: really mean nothing, but it sound good because they could

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Speaker 3: formulate a sentence with all these big ass words that

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Speaker 3: don't nobody understand. And I really just be looking at

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Speaker 3: him like bitch ass y'all.

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Speaker 6: Well, gap, here's the deal. Remember we saw the guy

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Speaker 6: in San Quentin. There's nobody better in Oakland to start

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Speaker 6: with the youth of the city, in all parts of Oakland.

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Speaker 4: I mean the guy, the guy from Oakland that we

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Speaker 5: Yeah, twenty five to life, two different paths, correct.

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Speaker 6: But my point is for Marshawn, there's nobody I know

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Speaker 6: on this planet that can step into Oakland and know

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Speaker 6: start with having someone who knows everything about the city

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Speaker 6: to fix the city.

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Speaker 4: What about figuring out the tools which you fix the city.

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Speaker 5: Understanding how government and governing work.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's that's part of your job.

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Speaker 3: As his campaign, I got a mother Yeah, I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: I got a motherfucker who's sitting right across from me

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Speaker 3: right now, who got the blueprint to this shit. It's like,

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Speaker 3: come on, bro, you gotta quit selling me short.

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Speaker 4: Though I'm not selling you short. I'm just I'm just

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Speaker 4: I'm playing devil's advocate. I'm just telling you what your

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Speaker 4: opponents will. They're gonna come after you on this point.

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Speaker 4: He has no governing experience. What the hell are we

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Speaker 4: doing with an outsider, even if he's from Oakland and

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Speaker 4: he's the insider as it relates to everything happening outside

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Speaker 3: Hall, but not you know, I answer that question, yes, sir,

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Speaker 3: teck me. I got the governor on my side. What

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Speaker 3: you're talking about.

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Speaker 6: You know, it was our partner here's birthday the other

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Speaker 5: Ye years old forty nine years old.

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Speaker 6: We enjoyed a good little boozy lunch. More Sean, we

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Speaker 6: had a few drinks at tequila for you since we

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Speaker 6: know you're on set in New Mexico and you can.

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Speaker 3: Man, I put one up for you. I had him

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Speaker 3: bring me in a bottle specifically after I sent you

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Speaker 3: shot for you, big dog. You know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: But then when I seen you come on set today

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Speaker 3: I was like, if that motherfucker was to come and

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Speaker 3: before he open his mouth, I would send that motherfucker

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Speaker 3: right to god Damn shoe palace, uh pay less shoe store,

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Speaker 3: Marshall's Ross and we would have to go and give

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Speaker 3: a fuck if you came in some water marcuss. But

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Speaker 3: we gonna get you up out of the pandas thought,

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Speaker 6: What about what about my Snoop? What about my Snoop

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Speaker 6: sketchers with the with the dope smoke in the box.

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Speaker 3: You don't even have to tie them, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna just say like this, my boy fresh, you

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Speaker 3: know I love the ship out of Snoop, But I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna just say them, uh them are for health reasons.

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Speaker 3: To the reason, and why you keep stepping in them

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Speaker 3: like that? You got some you got some ship going

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Speaker 3: on with your feet and your ankles and everything, so.

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Speaker 5: You can't bet down, You can't help you use fingers anymore.

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Speaker 3: You get a pass with those What the hell?

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Speaker 5: By the way. I'm serious.

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Speaker 4: I'm a little offended on behalf of Nike, my sponsor.

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Speaker 4: What is wrong with these shoes?

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Speaker 3: What is wrong with It's not nothing wrong but the

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Speaker 3: pandas though there. That's like, that's like, that's like a them,

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Speaker 3: a one and done. You throw them on one time

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Speaker 3: and then you you throw them motherfuckers away, donate them

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Speaker 3: Salvation Army, uh Buffalo exchange, good will one of them

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Speaker 3: type of ones like that. So after this you retire

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Speaker 3: the motherfuckers. And then what we do is you let

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Speaker 3: me know what's and then we get you on some

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Speaker 3: right feats so you could be official.

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Speaker 4: My boy, what are you wearing right now? You're talking

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Speaker 4: a big game. I want to see your damn shoes?

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Speaker 3: Man, Man, I got the I got the Baltimorees on

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 5: I don't even know what the hell that is?

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Speaker 1: What is that?

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Speaker 3: You know? Some slight?

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Speaker 5: Damn I didn't know those are legit? Are you gonna

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Speaker 5: wear those once twice? I'm seriously no.

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Speaker 3: Bs, No, I actually work out in needs all right.

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Speaker 6: Bill Moreshawn, real talk. We're gonna get our ten point

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Speaker 6: agenda together. We're gonna have a meeting ten points tomorrow

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Speaker 6: or Monday with me and the governor here and we're

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Speaker 6: to get our ten point agenda talking points.

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Speaker 4: Childcare, healthcare, education, public safety, UH, redevelopment.

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Speaker 5: I'm talking about.

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Speaker 6: Parks and Rex and reck. I mean everything from just

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Speaker 6: getting the hoops up with nets and refurbished to start there.

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Speaker 5: There should not be a basketball hoop that doesn't have

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Speaker 5: a brand new day.

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Speaker 4: Well, there is an opening, right If you don't have

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Speaker 4: a net, that means you don't give a damn about

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Speaker 4: the community. You got to keep it.

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Speaker 5: I mean to me, it's a symbol, simple thing.

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Speaker 4: Something As I going to school and I don't see

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Speaker 6: Marshaun, I got a specialist rate for you. Born in Bogata, Columbia,

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Speaker 6: grew up in Queens. An unbelievable comedian, actor, producer, activist,

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Speaker 6: icon from some incredible movies like Mulin Rouge and John Wick,

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Speaker 6: one of your favorites. Let's welcome in the incredible John Leguizamo. Hey, Hey,

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Speaker 6: he's happy about the Mets right now, isn't he?

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Speaker 1: John? Who is not happy about the Mets?

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Speaker 6: Were you there the other night?

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Speaker 1: Nah? I'm in DC putting up a play doing with

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Speaker 1: some theater to what I'm doing theater. Yeah, I wrote

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Speaker 3: Gang as tight as.

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Speaker 4: John is not just like writer producer, I mean theater.

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Speaker 4: That's where real actors come from.

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Speaker 3: Look, hey, Gavin, don't be bro. You ain't got to

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Speaker 3: be a hater all your life. Gavin's okay, let it

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Speaker 2: I like hater. I like haters. They keep you fresh,

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Speaker 5: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 4: John Marshawn thinks he's like a celebrity actor.

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Speaker 5: Now he's like, he's like he's getting into this.

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Speaker 4: He's filming right now in New Mexico, not California, which

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Speaker 4: is all another conversation around.

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Speaker 2: Have that conversation. Have that conversation, right, business.

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Speaker 3: I know I'll watching on that.

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Speaker 4: Stay tuned in January, I'll be doing some good things.

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Speaker 4: Get you back from New York, get back to California.

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Speaker 3: Hey, big dog, can you just tell me how to

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Speaker 3: pronounce your mass name the right way?

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Speaker 1: No, No, don't try. You're gonna get and it's gonna

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Speaker 3: That's all right. I'm here, all right.

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Speaker 1: Leg LEGI, this is good, that's perfect. Ten minutes it

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Speaker 3: Right, I put it out there, I put the demo down,

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, John, one thing that hasn't faded is

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Speaker 4: your career, which is next level.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it is no BS like I thought.

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Speaker 4: We all kind of feel like we know you, uh

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Speaker 4: anyone obviously that has been around for the last few decades.

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Speaker 4: But it is a hell of a thing when you

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Speaker 4: start adding up the number of movies, the incredible work

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Speaker 4: you've done on Broadway one man shows and all these

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Speaker 4: Netflix series, the thing you just did to MSNBC last year,

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Speaker 4: and now of course we'll talk about PBS and this

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Speaker 4: extraordinary work you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Gavin, I'm a big.

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Speaker 5: Hell of a career, brother, hell of a career.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't easy getting here.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I was a problem child in Jackson and I's Queens

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Speaker 1: during White Flight, which wasn't easy either because every white

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Speaker 1: group that was leaving beat me up. But then all

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Speaker 1: my Latin people came up and they beat me up too,

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Speaker 1: so I could never get they must be maybe I'm

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Speaker 1: the problem, you know, I could be the missing link,

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Speaker 1: you know. And it was tough. This industry was not easy, man.

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Speaker 1: little less systemic racism going on. Because Joe, when I

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Speaker 1: Well because of all these things, you know, our land

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Speaker 5: Marshaw. And I imagine a lot of that resonates with you.

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Speaker 4: Got I mean, it's as John was just saying, it's

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Speaker 5: Anything with three damn letters.

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Speaker 5: There's not even a lot to a race.

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Speaker 1: Johns Hopkins University and you need those US did a

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Speaker 2: So I'm afraid the same thing's gonna happen if Trump

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Speaker 3: If I make sure they really they really had an

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can you believe that shit? They have the audainy.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, So John, go let me ask a question.

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Speaker 6: Growing up in queens. You're a fighter, it's been it's

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Speaker 1: You hit?

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Speaker 3: You do? Now?

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Speaker 6: Did you realize back then you were the guy that

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Speaker 1: No, let me let me make you a little correction.

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Speaker 2: I want a few of them, but I didn't win

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Speaker 6: Well, by the way, By the way, John Gavin did too,

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Speaker 5: He didn't understand what the hell we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I felt, I had joy, I had laughter. I had

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00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 1: problems as well, But yo, it's shaped me, and Hollywood

437
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: can't hurt me. It cannot hurt to begin to hurt me,

438
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's why Hollywood to me,

439
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 1: it has always been hollywooden. But I've seen the problems

440
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. I've been in this business for four decades,

441
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 1: and I saw what was going on. I saw what

442
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: was going on, you know. I mean it wasn't okay.

443
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I pitched stories for three decades and I

444
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 1: kept thinking my writings sucked, But it wasn't my writing.

445
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm winning awards on Broadway, I'm winning Tony's Obie's Drama critics,

446
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: but I can't sell a script. Because they were Latin stories.

447
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: And no matter if I wrote like William Goldman, if

448
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 1: I wrote like Tony Kushner, they were not going to

449
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: green light a Latin project, you know what I mean.

450
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: They were just never going to They never saw the

451
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Speaker 1: value of Latin content. But now, luckily, with data and

452
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: this digital revolution that we're in, is the best time

453
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Speaker 1: to be a Latin person because now we got metrics,

454
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Speaker 1: and when we have metrics, we Latin people win because

455
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: you can't deny us, you know, facts, like like in baseball,

456
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, you see all these lad folks playing because

457
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: you can't deny stats. And music we killed because you

458
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: can't deny sales. But in show biz and in corporations

459
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: and in tech industry, they can do that for jobs.

460
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Speaker 1: They can do that because they can say it's it's

461
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Speaker 1: all opinion based, it's all bias based, it's it's not

462
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Speaker 1: based on fact.

463
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Speaker 5: Was there a moment where you really found your voice?

464
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Speaker 5: I mean, was it, uh, you know it was years

465
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Speaker 5: ago or there was there.

466
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Speaker 4: Sometimes a lot of shame and regret that you didn't

467
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Speaker 4: find that voice earlier.

468
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't have shame and regret because I didn't

469
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Speaker 1: know what was going on. I just assumed that if

470
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Speaker 1: you're a Latin man or a Latin person in America,

471
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Speaker 1: you weren't going to get very far. You just score.

472
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Speaker 1: And I mean when I was in NYU and I

473
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: was a student paying the same tuition as Andrew McCarthy

474
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Speaker 1: and dB Sweeney, they were going to five editions a day.

475
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: I was going to win every five months for a

476
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: drug dealer or a murderer or janitor. I knew. And

477
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: I was idealistic, young man. I believe the meritocracy. I

478
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: believe talent would win the date. But it wasn't. So

479
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: no matter how talented I was, I could have been

480
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 1: as good looking as Brad Kidd, I could have been

481
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: as talented as Brandea, I was not going to get

482
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Speaker 1: a job because I was a Latin man. And that

483
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Speaker 1: I became very apparent, you know what I mean. So

484
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Speaker 1: I had I didn't want to give up. But I

485
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Speaker 1: know a lot of people gave up. I saw a

486
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Speaker 1: lot of dreams that got wasted and thrown away, and

487
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Speaker 1: people's lives that derailed because they believed in the American

488
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Speaker 1: dream that wasn't for them.

489
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Speaker 6: So John, one of my favorite movies of all time,

490
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Speaker 6: Carlito's Ways. She kind of went from a stand up

491
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Speaker 6: comedy right, and you got that? How did you get

492
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Speaker 6: the role in Carlito's Way from being doing stand up comics?

493
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Speaker 2: Well, my manager at the time, who was a horrible

494
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Speaker 2: human being.

495
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Speaker 6: Hey, Marshawn never by the way, Marshawn never called me

496
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Speaker 6: as your main agent at home.

497
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Speaker 2: No, he was a horrible crook and a harble person.

498
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Speaker 1: But he met well and uh, you know he he

499
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Speaker 1: he saw me, and they saw me do my comedy

500
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: stuff and then on on HBO, and they offered me

501
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Speaker 1: the role and I turned it down a lot because

502
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: I was sick of playing drug dealers and I didn't

503
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Speaker 1: want to denigrate with my people.

504
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Speaker 2: But then when they offered it to Benicia, I took it.

505
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Speaker 3: Interesting hold on so because the past, ah, the past?

506
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Speaker 3: So was that one? Was that before this? Or was

507
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: that after that?

508
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Speaker 2: Was that was after?

509
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Speaker 3: That?

510
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Speaker 1: Was after? That was ninety seven and and Carlos Wave

511
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: was ninety three.

512
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Speaker 3: Man, I look, I'm a look, I'm a fan of

513
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 3: a girl in min She she turned me on to

514
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: the past, and I'm like, what the fuck? Like this

515
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 3: ship is like, this motherfucker is crazy. But then I

516
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 3: so like from The Pest to fucking to the Menu,

517
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: just like the range that you have and when you

518
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: speak about you know, the talent, and it's like there's

519
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 3: there's no denying that. You know, you're a talented motherfucker.

520
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: But you know what i mean from from me, like

521
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: watching that and then seeing uh the Menu, I'm like, god, damn.

522
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 3: But then I remember what was that? I think spawn

523
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh yeah, yeah yeah, So I'm like damn,

524
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, you know, I don't know if

525
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 3: you would call it like uh, I mean, I know

526
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 3: it's a superhero movie, but uh like to see you

527
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 3: in that kind of role, like there's no denying your talent.

528
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 3: Uh well special you are. Like. But I mean, once

529
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: I've watched The Pest, then I'm like, oh, yeah, he

530
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: got me hooked line and sink, like you know what

531
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: I mean, where else where else can I go and

532
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: watch this motherfucker? What else can I see? You know what

533
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: I mean? See him doing this thing? Like that ship

534
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 3: turned me up and I'm like this is some there's

535
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 3: some there's some some some some good ship.

536
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: Yeah that was some crazy ship. I didn't that, I mean,

537
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: I was I was mad caffeinated because I don't do

538
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: drugs anymore or you know, so I was it was

539
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: all just capping soda, coke, sugar. I had to keep

540
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: my energy level so high to keep that that that thing. Basically,

541
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: the Past is the big Game where a great White

542
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: hunter is looking for a trophy animal. But we made

543
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: it this great White Hunters looking for a Puerto Rican

544
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 1: to put on his mantle.

545
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

546
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 6: No, I mean it's a fantastic movie.

547
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 5: I agree with sew Hey, John, did you do?

548
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 4: You started out and it was comedy the goal, and

549
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 4: then all of this was sort of an evolution from the.

550
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 5: Comedy or what when you were a kid? I mean,

551
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 5: what what was the what was the pinnacle of success

552
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 5: for you?

553
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 4: I mean, did you see yourself as a comedian, as

554
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 4: an actor, as a direct I mean, you know, you're

555
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 4: you're filling the blank right now and every every single

556
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 4: way you've you've done it produce, Seen the and the like.

557
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 4: But was comedy the bedrock?

558
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

559
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: Comedy was what got me through my you know, painful childhood.

560
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: I come from a lot of uh you know, uh

561
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: child abuse and and whatnot, just violence, and uh, you know,

562
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: comedy helped me, you know, watching Richard pryor watching Evident Costello,

563
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: Martin Lewis. I ate up all the comedy and I

564
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: would go like I was. I was a ghetto nerd.

565
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: So I would go to the library, the the Museum

566
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: of Television Radio and watch Flip Wilson, watched the old

567
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: Ernie Kovacs, and I studied them all man. And and

568
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: to me, that was when I got freak on Broadway.

569
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: That was it, man, That that to me was the

570
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: pinnacle of my life in so many ways, because I

571
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: felt like I helped change comedy in America, because the

572
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: comedy at that time was kind of light and kind

573
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: of glib and kind of shiny, and I brought a

574
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: lot of pain and uh and sexuality, and you know,

575
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: I introduced the jizz comedy, that something about Mary you

576
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: saw that an American Pie and all that. But I

577
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: was doing all that on stage, you know, put in

578
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: my imagine every dick and Sandwiches playing with spooge all

579
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: over the place. So there was a lot of stuff

580
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: I was doing in this crazy show. But there was

581
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: everybody was coming to the show, you know, Michael, you know,

582
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: Michael Mayer, Robin Williams, rest in peace, you name it.

583
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: Everybody was at that theater. It was incredible on Broadway

584
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: and I was Tony nominated for a Writer and Performer.

585
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: I lost.

586
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: So you kind of win it and carved your own lane. Yeah,

587
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: you had to had to respect.

588
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 6: There were the ages back then. I know you called

589
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 6: your manager a horrible manager? Were the ages back then?

590
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 6: Did a lot of them? Pigeonhole? Like, did you guys

591
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 6: have like a subset of managers that dealt with latinos

592
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 6: and and this and that?

593
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: Or was it?

594
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 6: Did you have a lot of people to pick from?

595
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: I think I had had a good group to pick from.

596
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: I did. I mean, I got a great manager now,

597
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: but the one I had back then was his fingali uh,

598
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, like a trickster. You know, he did a

599
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: lot of underhanded stuff, like taking fifty percent of my

600
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: HBO salary for my one man's shows and telling me that,

601
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: you know, if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have

602
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: gotten never got it. And so like I was young

603
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: and stupid, so I was like, yeah, okay, yeah, I

604
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: guess that's a trade off.

605
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: Fifty dug my age alone, and I was I was

606
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: fucking head over. He was like, why you get three percent,

607
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: like what you're really doing, like saying you I ain't

608
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: even ever even seen you throw a dn bood alone

609
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: catch run, Like why are you getting so much? How

610
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: are you getting so much? Doug Hey, we gonna have

611
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: to go and talk about this. And Danny then he's

612
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: sick that will from me his wife and she had

613
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: to break some ship down for me. And I'm like, uh,

614
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 3: you know, I like you a lot, you know what

615
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I got a lot of respect for you.

616
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: But three percent, God damn. And to hear that you

617
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: was getting hit to here, you was getting here for

618
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: fifty life.

619
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Speaker 6: Oh the entertainer b business is different. They pay way,

620
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 6: they pay way too much, right John, Yeah.

621
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: I mean you know, I mean most of us, all

622
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: the big timers. You know, you only get about a

623
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: quarter of your salary because you've got ten percent agent,

624
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: ten percent, manager, five percent, lawyer five percent for a

625
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: business manager, and you know everybody else on on pay roll.

626
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: So in taxes, I've had fifty percent tax brackets so

627
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: in New York. So yeah, I get about twenty five

628
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: percent of everything I make.

629
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: Well, we like to blame a lot of shit on gas,

630
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: so you can blame put.

631
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: Too.

632
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, not just yeah, New York and California.

633
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 4: We share a little bit of that in comment on

634
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 4: the at least for you two that are on screen, well,

635
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 4: with all three of you hold out, I'm the only

636
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 4: I'm the public servant on this podcast.

637
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like a public service.

638
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 5: Really really sorry, John, I don't buy that.

639
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: No, No, I get paid.

640
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: I get paid.

641
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 5: You doing all right?

642
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 4: By the way, just you know what was the you

643
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: know it's and I've just watched a lot of but

644
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 4: a lot of the episodes of the MSNBC you did.

645
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: I guess it was a year ago. Feels like right

646
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: right yesterday and now with PBS, what did you I

647
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 4: mean you wake up and say, you know what, I

648
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 4: got to take this to the next level and just

649
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 4: start educate people at a broader a in a you know,

650
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 4: more broadly. Or is it because the politics of the

651
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: moment that has sort of shaped your desire to do

652
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 4: these projects or was this sort of again a natural

653
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Speaker 4: part of your journey that for decades you've been expressing

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Speaker 4: uh and understanding or a desire for other people to

655
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Speaker 4: understand the history of Latin culture.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Gavin, I think it's a confluence of both things.

657
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: You know, am I getting to be sixty years old?

658
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: You know, you get to a point in life where

659
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: you go, what what am I doing? My Life's what's

660
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: the point of my life? And I feel like at

661
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: the point of my life is to make this place

662
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Speaker 1: a better place than when I came into it. And also,

663
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Speaker 1: you know, all the things that happened in Black Lives

664
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Speaker 1: Matter and and COVID and all that. You know, it

665
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Speaker 1: just like it took it took me years to get

666
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: the PBS, five years a little bit more than that

667
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: to get it to this place. You know it it

668
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 1: wasn't easy. But I felt when I read these facts.

669
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Speaker 1: When I read these facts, it just blows my mind

670
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: that and I felt like, oh my god, I can't

671
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: be the only person who knows these facts. The world

672
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: needs to know that we Land people are the only

673
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Speaker 1: ethnic group that's fought in every single war America has

674
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Speaker 1: ever had. Ten thousand unknown Latino patriots fought in the

675
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: American Revolution. We helped fund the American Revolution. Two million

676
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: dollars were given to George Washington from Cuba, Mexico and Spain.

677
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Speaker 1: So we are we Land people as sons and daughters

678
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Speaker 1: of the American Revolution. Twenty thousand US fought in the

679
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: Civil War, one hundred and twenty thousand of US fought

680
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: in World War five hundred thousand Latinos fought in World

681
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Speaker 1: War Two.

682
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: That's a huge.

683
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: Sacrifice to the making of this country. We have sixty

684
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: Medal of Honor honorees. That's the most of any ethnic group.

685
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: But do we get credit for that? Do we? Do

686
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: you see us in movies?

687
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: Do you?

688
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy how erased our contributions are.

689
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Speaker 6: It is amazing. Hey, Hey, John, your Emmy speech a

690
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 6: couple of weeks ago is incredible in Hollywood? Do you

691
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 6: feel that it seems like every Oscars or Emmys or

692
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 6: award show people stand up and say something. But do

693
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 6: you see the other three or sixty four days a

694
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 6: year people fighting and doing what you're doing, or just

695
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 6: giving their speech? Not you, but other people giving their

696
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 6: speech and saying what they have to say? Are people

697
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 6: living it daily? To help out with what you're doing

698
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 6: now and other causes for other people?

699
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: Oh?

700
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Speaker 6: You know?

701
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Speaker 3: Uh? That? So how do we know?

702
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Speaker 6: And John, how do we make that change? We've got

703
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 6: more Shawn as an actor, now, how do we make

704
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 6: that change?

705
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's hard.

706
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Speaker 1: I mean, when you when you start speaking up there,

707
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: it's not consequence free. There are when I started getting political,

708
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: you know, I lost half my followers and it's got

709
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: so much hate. You know, people go back to they say,

710
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: go back to Mexico. If you don't like our country,

711
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: go I gladly go back to Mexico. I'm not from

712
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: Mexico and I love to visit. But you know, they

713
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: say all kinds of crazy things that tys telling you

714
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: you suck as a comedian. You're boring now. I mean,

715
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: whenever you start doing that, they hate and you lose

716
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: the followers. So there is a consequence. So I understand

717
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: why other people are reserved. It makes you know it's

718
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: they're tend to tain, you know. And but you know,

719
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm older. I'm an elder. I see

720
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: what's going on, and so what was going on? I

721
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: can't you can't pull the wool over my eyes.

722
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: I know.

723
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: I know what the stats are, I know what the

724
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: reality is, and I'm not going to shut up till

725
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: I have parody for my people. You know, till till

726
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: twenty percent of those were Latino, When twenty percent of

727
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: those executives when twenty percent of the stories. I don't

728
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: want thirty percent, which is what we over indexed at

729
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: the box office. I just want we're twenty percent of

730
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: the population. I just want twenty percent across the board.

731
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Speaker 1: And I don't want it just in Hollywood. I want

732
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,479
Speaker 1: to in tech. I want it in banking. I wanted

733
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: in corporations. I talked to a lot of executives across

734
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: America and Latin. People tell me, yo, I'm good enough

735
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: to train somebody who then gets promoted over me, but

736
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: I'm not good enough to be promoted. I hear that

737
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: all over the place.

738
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Speaker 5: Joe, when did you start getting political?

739
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 4: When did you really when you started getting that negative feedback,

740
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 4: when you really started realizing this is going to come

741
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 4: in a price.

742
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: You know, I was always socially conscious, but I wasn't

743
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: politically activated until I think. I think it was Al

744
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: Gore when I started feeling like, oh my god, I

745
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: got to start. When he lost and his peasants he

746
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: was taken from him, I was like, I can't, I

747
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: can't be quiet. Democracy is not a spectator sport. You

748
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: got to participate, and you got to put out tons

749
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: of effort to keep it a democracy.

750
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Speaker 5: Amen, Justice Brandeis.

751
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 4: I love the way you described said the most important

752
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 4: office in a democracy is the office of citizen. This

753
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: notion of active not inert citizenship, man, active participation, which.

754
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 5: I just love that.

755
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 4: It's not just about election days. It's what happens after

756
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 4: and what happens before. It's everything in between. What you

757
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 4: know right now though. Man, with an election, I don't

758
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 4: want to get hyper political.

759
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 3: But man, it's then you get it.

760
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 4: But but we're talking about but Marsia, you're talking about

761
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 4: history repeating itself. Man, back in Hoover days, about everybody

762
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 4: being kicked out. You got the Wet Back Act, You've

763
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 4: got all and now here we are. We thought we

764
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 4: made all this damn progress in this country Californi, Marshawn.

765
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 4: We're almost forty percent Latino California. It's a majority minority state,

766
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 4: the most diverse state in the world's most diverse democracy.

767
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 4: It's a deep point of pride and it's a principle

768
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 4: which we're founded on, which allows us to thrive and

769
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 4: be the fifth large damn economy in the world. Latinos

770
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 4: in this country, by the way, about the fifth largest

771
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 4: economy in the world just from a GDP over three

772
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 4: point six plus trillion.

773
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Speaker 5: Damn do cap T T.

774
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 4: But right now there's another guy with a capital T

775
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 4: that's scaring the hell out of everybody in this election.

776
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 4: And we're talking about mass deportations, We're talking about mixed

777
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 4: status families that are scared to death, we're talking about

778
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 4: poisoning the blood of this country. And vermins the language. Man,

779
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 4: I mean, you're you're kind of a mini historian now

780
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 4: with all these there's documentaries you've been doing and all

781
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 4: the work. I mean, this rhetoric is about as bad

782
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 4: as it's ever been.

783
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Speaker 1: Right, and hate crimes as Latinos are up a big

784
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: surprise when he says stuff like that. I mean, you

785
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: see veterans getting beat up in bars and stuff Latino

786
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: vets because they tell you don't belong in this country.

787
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: And then you know the vet is going on. But

788
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: I thought to you and then pow pal. You know

789
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: it just it's he brings so much violence into our country,

790
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: so much hate that's unnecessary. I mean, decency is what

791
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: we all want, pieces what we want. Togetherness is what

792
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: most people want. But they're sold because he's a big liar.

793
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: He's such a liar that people believe what he says,

794
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: and he says he's going to bring jobs back in

795
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: production backs, and he's making all this stuff up. He

796
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: doesn't care, he wasn't doesn't want to be fact check

797
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: because he's making it all up. It's all bullshit, but

798
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: people buy it. People believe it. People believe the bullshit.

799
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 4: Which is you know, begs the question, you know we

800
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 4: talk about I mean, there's books now being written about it,

801
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 4: and let's hope history is not going to be written

802
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 4: about this in a few weeks. But talking about the

803
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 4: fact that Trump and trump Ism is somehow and.

804
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 5: He's making roads in the Latino community.

805
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: I mean, is it because you just think just the

806
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 4: rank lies or do you think get a combination of

807
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 4: that and just economic issues, which are bread and butter issues.

808
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: Always I think it's a common way for some reason,

809
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: this inflation of the prices of goods, food and gas

810
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: and housing. It affects Latin people because we're kind of

811
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Speaker 1: at the bottom of the economic food change, so they're

812
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: very effective by it. And Latinos care about, you know,

813
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: feeding their families, and Latin women care about that. So

814
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: who do they blame the person who's in office, you know,

815
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: and Trump, you know, with all his magical speak, his

816
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: magical thinkings speak of how he's going to fix everything

817
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: and cut taxes. Everybody believes that that he's going to

818
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: bring production back and bring jobs and stop China this,

819
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's they believe, they buy it,

820
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: they believe it. So it's kind of tough, man. I

821
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: don't I don't think Latin people are really flipping totally Republican.

822
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: But he gets them, you know, obviously they We're not

823
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: a monolith, and there's a lot of a Christian Latinos,

824
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: Evangelical Latinos, conservatives that we have them, you know. But

825
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: from his rhetoric, you would think everybody would be just

826
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: against him, but they're not. You know, the black community

827
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: is aw some somehow moving up towards him too.

828
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, they split. I think they could. They got they

829
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: got turned on from out of the edd, the PvP

830
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: and all of that shit.

831
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Speaker 1: All.

832
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Trump, don't give us some money.

833
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.

834
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Speaker 3: We need to get Trump back at office so he

835
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: could give us some money.

836
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

837
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 4: When he started putting his name on those checks, people

838
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 4: thought it was from him.

839
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Speaker 1: And they believe that I've heard that people say, oh,

840
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: but when he gets to be in office, we're going

841
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: to get more of those checks that he signed.

842
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: They really believed that his scams are sometimes they do work,

843
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: they don't always work.

844
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Speaker 5: But something there, John, you buy one of those hundred

845
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 5: thousand dollars watches? You got one of those?

846
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm saving up for the Bible Trump.

847
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 3: Also, somebody just sent me a picture of that. He

848
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 3: got a watch and some and some shoes or some

849
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: hundred K for the watch. Brother, What the fuck is

850
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: that about.

851
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 5: I've got my pandas on right now. But if I

852
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 5: come in with some Trumps.

853
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: Then I might sparkle kick your ass right in the chest.

854
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 4: Hey, John, I was down in Mexico for the swearing

855
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 4: in of the first one. And you know, I mean

856
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 4: the Western we haven't had North America. We haven't had

857
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 4: a woman sworn in. And I was with a good

858
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 4: friend of yours, Rosario Dawson, who was down. She was

859
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 4: down there film in a couple of days. But you

860
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 4: you were one of the early founders of Voda Latino, right,

861
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 4: were you there in the beginning.

862
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: I was, I was helping, I mean I was I

863
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: was always an ally to Rosario and my interest to

864
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: Kumark for what they're doing, because they're brilliant, man. I mean,

865
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: they really do the real work and very little of

866
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: the money goes to them. It all goes right into groundwork,

867
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: a grassroots organizing. You know, it's amazing. It's amazing what

868
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Speaker 1: they do. And this woman is incredible, man, I mean,

869
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: this woman president, she's I just find her so exciting,

870
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: so progressive, lifting Mexico into the future. Mexico is doing

871
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 1: incredible economically. Uh. And then you know, she called out.

872
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: It was amazing. She asked Spain to apologize for the

873
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: destruction of the aspects, the Incas and the Mayas. It

874
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: was a amazing that And you know what the I

875
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: think it was a Minister of culture. I can't remember

876
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: exactly the dude who wrote the letter and said, you

877
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: are an illiterate. We will never apologize for those horrific tribes.

878
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 1: Now they always two apologies, one for that fucking letter

879
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: and then one for the conquest.

880
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 4: And by the way, the conquy, I mean you going

881
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 4: back just you know the PBS series, which, by the way,

882
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 4: you have a bunch of great you know, people like

883
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 4: Rosario doing some of the narrative work, Edward Daman almost

884
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 4: some others.

885
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 5: Next level. I mean you go back to that. You

886
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 5: go back you're walking down.

887
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 4: Tunnels, You're finding all this gold and all this poisonous

888
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 4: you know, mercury or something. You know, this was a

889
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 4: hell of a like you said, five years, I get

890
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 4: why it may have taken you five years. It was

891
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 4: a hell of a journey you've been on with this thing.

892
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, it's incredible.

893
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 3: Man.

894
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: I went to you're talking about Tao t Wakan.

895
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's easy to pronounce, man, last name bro.

896
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: I had a practice, had a practice. It don't come

897
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 1: that easy, you know, we're talking about this. This tunnel

898
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: was the first one. It's just been discovered. It's it's

899
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: over two thousand years old. And they found, you know,

900
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: turquoise from Arizona. They found jade from Central America. So

901
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: we were doing trade all up and down South America

902
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: and the Americas. These were these were incredible empires, man.

903
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: They were bigger than European empires. Thirty three million Incas,

904
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: thirty million aztect million Mayas. They had running toilets with water,

905
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: water flushing toilets before any country in Europe they we

906
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: invented rubber, which in galvinization, Goodyear took credit for something

907
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: he ain't do. And the Incas had binary code. That's

908
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: how they kept their senses before computers. They had suspension bridges,

909
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: they had anesthesia. They had brain surgery that was more

910
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: successful than anything until a Civil war.

911
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 5: I mean, who knew, Marshawan you know all that stuff?

912
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: Man, Hell no, Look, I'm sitting over here like I'm

913
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: watching the Discovery Channel right now. This motherfucker dropping so

914
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 3: much motherfucking game, Like, God damn, this is an opportunity. Shiit,

915
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: Just just give him a mic and lett him go,

916
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 3: because Shiit, I feel like I'm gonna be at least

917
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: five to ten percent smarter after this, after this show.

918
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 3: So she keep going, big dog, it's any more facts

919
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 3: you want to say it out, I'm here forward, man,

920
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: She had keep educating. So now of your work, not

921
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 3: I'm a fan of your work, but.

922
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 6: But what I appreciate about you, John, And it seems

923
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 6: like the guests we get on the show are very

924
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 6: similar to you and Marshaun because you've always led, You've

925
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 6: gotten it. Marshawn has been the same way your vocal

926
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 6: you stand and again life is We always say life

927
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 6: is short. We're on barrow of time. And if you

928
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 6: don't speak your voice, John, then what are we doing? Gavin?

929
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 6: I just had to hit a birthday. We're not as

930
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 6: old as you yet, but we almost there.

931
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: And so oh thanks a lot for that shout out.

932
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, hello the two.

933
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: Brother Yeah, I'm sixty four.

934
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 3: You couldn't you couldn't look at him.

935
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 6: But anyways, the point John's we're on bar times. I

936
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 6: love the way you're living. And let me ask you a question.

937
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 6: What's next for you? I mean, the PBS stuff is

938
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 6: so next level? Are you back into acting? Are you

939
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 6: on Broadway now? But I mean, what's the next steps

940
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 6: for you? The next few years?

941
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah? I got an amazing movie coming out in

942
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: April called Bob Tabbino Likes. We won the south By

943
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: Southwest Audience Prize and Jury Prize. It is such a beautiful,

944
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: feel good healing film. Roman crying oh my god at

945
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: every screening.

946
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 6: A little different than John Wick John, Yeah.

947
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: John Wait makes you crying a different way. This was

948
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: a healing movie. There's no beating up, there's no hitting.

949
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: And then my play, My play is the biggest thing

950
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: I've got right now. You know, I wrote this hoping

951
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: this will be an American classic based on a true

952
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: crime that happened in Long Island in the nineties.

953
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 5: And what and you're you're literally in the middle of

954
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 5: that right now, right.

955
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, we go up. October eighteenth is my first performance.

956
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 5: And what is it?

957
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 4: I mean, is is there any having made it in

958
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 4: your life or career? Are you just gonna be You're

959
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 4: gonna you're gonna You're gonna run this thing through the tape?

960
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 5: No ninety yard dash here, huh.

961
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: No, man, I mean the lovely thing about acting is

962
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: that you can go on till.

963
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: Till they pull they take it the hook and they

964
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: pull you up.

965
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: You can.

966
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: People have died on.

967
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: Stage, you know. I mean, I don't want to die

968
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: in the dage.

969
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, And what about and what about the

970
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 4: producing and the and the directing. I mean, is that

971
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 4: is that it doesn't does that have the feedback loop

972
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 4: that being on there one man's show and just being

973
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 4: out there all just exposed?

974
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 5: The I mean is how do those things compare?

975
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: Oh?

976
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, it's so different. I mean, being on stage

977
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: by yourself is so powerful. To have a whole entire

978
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: house about fifteen hundred people every night for six months. Uh,

979
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: you know it's quiet. You can hear pin dropped and

980
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: they laugh, especially for Lamb. People becomes like church because

981
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 1: they're crying, laughing, screaming, talking back to their home watching TV.

982
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful experience. Film is different, obviously.

983
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: Film is about, you know, hitting some acting highs. You know,

984
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: it's an acting high. You're just trying to hit these

985
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: these beats. But stage and live performances like Church.

986
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: Because Doug won't he won't let that ship die down

987
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 3: at all. But I have been, uh, you know, getting

988
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 3: into my acting bag a little bit. Is there anything

989
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 3: that she would tell me, just as far as like,

990
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 3: I mean from my biggest thing is like when I

991
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 3: get them scripts and then I see all them lines

992
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 3: and ship like oh shit. Yeah, Like, is there any

993
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 3: advice you could give to me? Just like just like grassroots,

994
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 3: you know what I mean to you. I mean to

995
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 3: keep me going and keep my mind right.

996
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, you can make it. I mean, nobody

997
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: starts out great in acting, man. Every everybody works their

998
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: ass off to get to to this place. Brandle worked

999
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: his ass off study with the best teachers, so did

1000
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: James Dean, so did Mark Ruffalo, so did Trump, and

1001
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: everybody study all the great studied the near Paccino. They

1002
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: studied hard, so they nobody's born naturally a acting, you

1003
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: become one.

1004
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 3: Uh.

1005
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: So I would say, get a great coach. I would say,

1006
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: read out life out as much as you can, like

1007
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: get a script that you love from a movie, and

1008
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: and learn those monologues and practice it all the time

1009
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: until it becomes second nature, until you get used to

1010
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: saying lines that that you haven't thought. You know, because

1011
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: my daughter wants been actress, and I told that, beat

1012
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: out loud as much as you can, get your favorite

1013
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: movie monologues, and work on the memorizing, because then you

1014
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: learn how to turn dialogue that's not yours into yours.

1015
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 3: So I think I'm gonna start with the uh with

1016
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 3: the piss do it.

1017
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: I like to see a film.

1018
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: I want to see it.

1019
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: I want to see it.

1020
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 3: I mean I really have been uh having fun doing it.

1021
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 3: It's just you know, I'm so competitive. So you know,

1022
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 3: when I get to a point where it's like all

1023
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: right and it's challenging, and like it turned me up,

1024
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 3: like I gotta get on this ship. I gotta figure

1025
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 3: this shit out like yeah, I mean, and then you know,

1026
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: just the way that I've been going about it, Like

1027
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, I'll just read it, read it,

1028
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 3: read it.

1029
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: Just drilling, drill, drill and drilling, dude. That's that's it, brother,

1030
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: I mean that's the only thing. I mean, I'm older,

1031
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: so I have to drill a little harder than I

1032
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: used to. I used to have a photographic memory, but

1033
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: it's kind of clouded now it's got a less tap

1034
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: on it. So yeah, drilling, baby, there's nothing better than drilling,

1035
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: doing your lines while you're running on a treadmill or

1036
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: doing something else. Drilling is the only way. And dude,

1037
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: you got a great personality, so I mean you're a

1038
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: natural fulfilmed that way with shit.

1039
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 3: Man. I appreciate it, because Damn, sometime that ship that

1040
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 3: shit get a little hard. Then I have to go

1041
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: back into my mindset of like damn, when shit got

1042
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 3: hard for me on the field, or when I was

1043
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,959
Speaker 3: at practice, or when I was working out getting ready

1044
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 3: to go to training camp, mini camp or ohas or

1045
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: any of that, knowing that I got to come in yeah,

1046
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 3: I mean ready to perform. Like so when I get

1047
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 3: out there, on on set, it's like, Okay, I got

1048
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 3: them them same kind of nerves that I had. Yeah,

1049
00:51:54,600 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 3: you when a good time for game time. Yeah, then

1050
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 3: I'm just you know, focusing on shit that I don't

1051
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 3: even know. And then it's been to a point where

1052
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 3: it's like I can you know, uh, the actors that

1053
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 3: I'm working with, like, you know, I could say their

1054
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 3: lines and then I'm right into my ship. So I mean,

1055
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 3: it's been it's been an interesting transition for me, but

1056
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: I have been enjoying it. But just to get some

1057
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 3: you know, some words a knowledge from you, especially considering now,

1058
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 3: you know, just not looking at you as an actor

1059
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: and seeing you as a historian with all these fucking

1060
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 3: numbers and all these facts, like it makes me believe like, okay,

1061
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: well shit, you know what I mean growing up you

1062
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 3: know said he was a fighter, you know, I mean

1063
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 3: standing on business and the ship that you represent, and

1064
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, you know what, I'm walking that path

1065
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 3: and you know what I mean, It's something that you know,

1066
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 3: I like to say, is nothing new under the old moon,

1067
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 3: And why not look at the individuals who laid down

1068
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 3: the foundation, you know what I mean before you and

1069
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, walk that path like you

1070
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 3: know what I mean, it ain't gonna be nothing new

1071
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: that I'm out here doing. There's been plenty of athletes

1072
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 3: that transition from you know, playing their sport and then

1073
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: getting into uh, the industry. So man, I appreciate that.

1074
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: And then you know, just from the standpoint of you know,

1075
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: I've seen uh, this entertainment space eat up a lot

1076
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 3: of people. Well help shit eat them up like fuck.

1077
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I've been somebody that pride my cell phone,

1078
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 3: sticking to my guns, and represent who I am at

1079
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: all times. No matter what room I walk in, I'm

1080
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 3: still gonna be the same that I've always right right,

1081
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: So keeping that type of mindset like and wanting to

1082
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: grow in it, do you see any problem with that?

1083
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 6: Think?

1084
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 1: I think you're still right, I mean, trying to stay

1085
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: to your core friends and you're keeping who you really

1086
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: are because the business nobody prepares you for show biz.

1087
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 2: The ups and downs are are so crazy.

1088
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: Nothing prepares you for that because you go way up,

1089
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: but then you got to come back down, and those

1090
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: those ups and downs messed a lot of people up,

1091
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: and nobody prepared tells you that you got to be

1092
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: prepared for like hyper people, everybody loving you and then

1093
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: everybody hating you, and everything's in public and every it's

1094
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: it's it's rough.

1095
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 6: Well, John, that's that's that's fascinating because obviously in sports,

1096
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 6: you know, you have the transition from college to the

1097
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 6: pros and football leagust and you and then your career

1098
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 6: kind of plateau is a little bit and you get

1099
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 6: older and you kind of it's an eight to twelve

1100
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 6: of your career for the top players, right, and you

1101
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 6: kind of know the transition. But entertainment, like to yourself,

1102
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 6: I mean, you don't know which ways to go. You

1103
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 6: could be on top of the world one day, next

1104
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 6: you know, you don't get college, no jobs. I mean,

1105
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 6: how you're right, it would eat a lot of people up.

1106
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 6: That'd be another story I for you to tell at

1107
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 6: some point, because no one talks about the underbelly of

1108
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 6: the people that get eating alive.

1109
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, yeah, Because I mean if you start reading

1110
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: your reviews and you start believing that then you got

1111
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: to believe the good. Then you're gonna have to believe

1112
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: the bad. Because nobody gets consistently good reviews, you know,

1113
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: so when you get a bad review, then you gotta

1114
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: believe it. Then you gotta start believing that you suck.

1115
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: And then how do you how do you soothe yourself?

1116
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: You know, you find the wrong friends, you find the

1117
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: wrong people of alcohol, the drugs start coming back.

1118
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: How to feel better yourself? Medicaid?

1119
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: And then then you got this you know, roller coaster

1120
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: life that's not healthy.

1121
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 3: Well, I had a situation like that. I say, I

1122
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 3: think like year three when I was in Buffalo, before

1123
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 3: I had got traded uh to Seattle, and it was

1124
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 3: more like, I'll fuck him. We always knew he was

1125
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,439
Speaker 3: a thug. We knew he wasn't shit. Oh he ain't

1126
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 3: gonna make it, this, that and the third, and I'll

1127
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 3: fuck him. He's washed up or he can't run the ball.

1128
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 3: No more this, that and all that type of shit.

1129
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 3: And then as soon as I got up out of

1130
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 3: that environment and I got traded to Seattle and then

1131
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 3: went ahead and created an earthquake. You feel what I'm

1132
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 3: talking about? So alone at the time, I remember that.

1133
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 3: I remember that vividly. And I just because I'm not

1134
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 3: somebody who big after like the games, like to go

1135
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 3: watch ESPN, you know, look at my stats, this, that

1136
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 3: and the third I was more a team situation, like, shit,

1137
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 3: if we win, regardless whateverever, I had one hundred yards

1138
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: or I had ten yards. If we won, shit, I'm

1139
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 3: partying like it's nineteen ninety nine. And then if we lost,

1140
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 3: I'm in the lab trying to figure out, Okay, what

1141
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 3: was it that I that I didn't do that I

1142
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 3: could do better? Or I did this pretty good, but

1143
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 3: how can I do this even better? To the point

1144
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 3: where because I you know what I mean, I don't

1145
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 3: really like losing, but I mean I think it was

1146
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,959
Speaker 3: something that my mom taught me after my first game

1147
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 3: when I was playing pop warning football. We lost the

1148
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 3: game and I was mad as hell. I'm crying and shit,

1149
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 3: and my mom was like, why the fuck you crying?

1150
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 3: Like where you get to go out here and do

1151
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 3: this again next week? And I'm like, oh, we got

1152
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 3: another game. Yeah, you got about ten more games, like

1153
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 3: why did you trip? Like you get to you know

1154
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 3: what I mean, you get to go redeem yourself with

1155
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 3: And the thing was, I didn't have a bad game,

1156
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 3: but it was just the fact that we lost. And

1157
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 3: ever since then, you know, I kind of took the

1158
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 3: bad with the good and the good with the bad.

1159
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 3: And I always just harped on that mindset with how

1160
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 3: I grew, and no matter what, if it was a

1161
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 3: winner or loss, I always looked at it like, Okay,

1162
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 3: what could I have done better? I mean, how could

1163
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: I have helped the team in a better way? You know,

1164
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, we got a sack? What could I

1165
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: have done to help this offensive linement? You know, I

1166
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 3: mean stay on that block to where the quarterback didn't

1167
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 3: get hit or you know, I mean just little little

1168
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 3: specific details that you know mainly don't mean nothing to

1169
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 3: a lot of people, but it's just some shit that

1170
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 3: goes a long way, and it could be the designing

1171
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 3: factor on if you win or if you lose. But

1172
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: you know, within this space, because I guess what it

1173
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 3: feels like to me is like when you on set

1174
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 3: and individuals know me, and it's more so like they

1175
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 3: look at me like, oh shit, that's more shan football player,

1176
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 3: Like they got this kind of like oh he's he's

1177
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 3: beast mode and this and that. The third So, if

1178
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 3: it's something that I'm doing on set, and if it

1179
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 3: don't read right, like I come from a background, you're

1180
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 3: not doing your job or what you're supposed to do.

1181
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 3: Somebody come and tell you, hey, what the fuck is

1182
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 3: you doing? Like, no, you're supposed to hit the hole

1183
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 3: like you're doing all that dancing in the back, hit

1184
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 3: the hole and get down field right now. But on

1185
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 3: set it's like, oh no, that was good, let's let's

1186
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 3: just try it again, and it's really no direction more.

1187
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 6: Sean are interesting And I never asked you us Are

1188
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 6: you because of you and your personality and all that?

1189
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 6: Are anybody on the set? Are anybody scared to tell

1190
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 6: you the truth?

1191
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: I'd be afraid to tell you. Don't want to hurt

1192
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: people's feelings either, man, you don't want to. There's also

1193
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: negative feedback for acting sometimes shuts people down even more

1194
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: so you have to you know, you.

1195
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: Have to nurture people into their talent.

1196
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: You know you have to.

1197
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 2: And then then with acting, you we all make mistakes,

1198
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: so you need more sins what we have takes because

1199
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: people make mistakes.

1200
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 3: But I'm more of a guy that's like, if I'm

1201
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 3: doing something wrong, tell me I'm doing it wrong, so

1202
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 3: that way I can not do that shit no more

1203
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 3: rather than you just said, Okay, we're gonna do another take,

1204
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 3: and if you don't tell me, I'm doing nothing wrong.

1205
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 3: Then I think I'm I'm doing what I'm supposed to do.

1206
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 3: But if it come to the fact where it's not

1207
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 3: and I'm the reason why we're doing the take over,

1208
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, well, who the fuck who not

1209
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 3: giving what they're supposed to give? And then sudden you

1210
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: find out is you was like, oh shit, the well,

1211
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: why the fuck you didn't tell me I was doing

1212
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 3: the wrong shit? So then I could have did something different.

1213
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: Acting is not like sports.

1214
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 2: You can't call people out like that.

1215
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: We don't.

1216
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: We don't do that. It'd be great, it'd be.

1217
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: Great if he could all be like that, but not

1218
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: there's so many egos. People get brutales and they stuck.

1219
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: I had that.

1220
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I don't have that eight more, Sean Brouh,

1221
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 3: What the fuck is you giving me right now? We

1222
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 3: need less of what the fuck you're giving us and

1223
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 3: more of what we want. Okay, my bad ship?

1224
00:59:58,320 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, been doing that.

1225
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: You ain't tell me I was doing then, rule, So

1226
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 3: I just thought we was good. Yeah.

1227
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 5: I don't get any of this feedback in pology. We

1228
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 5: know none of this.

1229
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 6: Nobody else at Gavin John.

1230
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 3: Well, I'm I'm gonna tell your ass Yevin, What the

1231
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 3: fuck you're doing?

1232
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 4: It's universal love. That's why I'm in politics. Just universal love.

1233
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm conditional love, additional.

1234
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 4: I'm curious, you know so many of us in life.

1235
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm thinking of the sports construct. You know,

1236
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 4: we have coaches, we have mentors people. I mean, do

1237
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 4: you still have people in your life that independent of

1238
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 4: a director or a project that you're involved with and

1239
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 4: you have situational partners?

1240
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 5: Do you still have do you still have coach?

1241
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 4: Do you still someone I mean, is there an old

1242
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 4: acting coach that takes a look at your tapes and

1243
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 4: calls and says, man, I think you're slipping here a

1244
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 4: little bit, or hey brother, that was that was next level, dude.

1245
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: It's absolutely It's like think, I think of myself like

1246
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: as a tennis player, and I got to be playing

1247
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: and I got to have a coach and he's got

1248
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: to keep me together and tight and I got to

1249
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: keep my game up. So yeah, I have my old

1250
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: act teacher, David Newer. I love him, and he keeps

1251
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: me tied and clean, you know, And I'm always reading

1252
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: scripts out loud, I'm doing zooms with other actors. I'm

1253
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: keeping my my skills sharp as fucking because you can't

1254
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: let your skills drop. You got to keep It's like

1255
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: EDDI sport, you gotta keep doing it. And this, this

1256
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: whole thing is a sport.

1257
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 6: John, who's your crew? Who's your crew in the business? Like,

1258
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 6: who do you have? Who's like your main If you

1259
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 6: got to call two or three buddies, who are the

1260
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 6: guys you're calling for vice counsel? Kick it with with whatever?

1261
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: I love Mark Buffalo, man, he's the most honest, caring

1262
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: You talk about the Hulk, Yeah, yeah, the whole Yeah,

1263
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: the hul Yeah, Yeah, he's fucking amazing. And Ethan Hawks

1264
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: also like an incredible guy. You can talk about anything.

1265
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: He's a great artist. Yeah, David harber Is. It's phenomenal

1266
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,919
Speaker 1: and I love hanging with him. Makes me laugh as fuck.

1267
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: You know, there's some great folks out there, man, that's

1268
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: super talented, really humble. I like the humble motherfuckers who

1269
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: are talented. I don't like egos. I don't like vanity

1270
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: and be like that. It's not I don't have I

1271
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: don't have room for that ship.

1272
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 4: No, well, John, I mean and you know, as we close,

1273
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 4: that's a perfect I mean, John Doug was saying something

1274
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 4: earlier which I picked up about you and Marshawn. It's

1275
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 4: all about authenticity. Uh, It's all about character and uh.

1276
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 4: And I appreciate your authenticity. I appreciate who you've become

1277
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 4: in terms of being an activist and a leader, not

1278
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 4: just you know, one of our great and most outstanding entertainers,

1279
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 4: but someone that's that's providing you know, meaning and purpose

1280
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 4: and mission at a time when we need it more

1281
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 4: than we've ever needed it in our lives. So mad

1282
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 4: respect for you, man, Grateful for everything you're doing.

1283
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 3: Batman. Let me tell you something, Man. You could say

1284
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 3: real last motherfucker you.

1285
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 5: Last motherfucker motherfucker's shoes.

1286
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 3: Marshawan, the shoes, not the pandas you can throw that

1287
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 3: one in there every now and then. You could just

1288
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 3: you know, I mean to switch up the game a little,

1289
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 3: I will say.

1290
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 6: I will say, John is a realized motherfucker.

1291
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 2: Thank you, Big Hawks man, big Hogs, all, thank you John.

1292
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 2: He's thank you brother much love appreciate it, Jeeve