1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class from house 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: to blae a choker boarding and I'm Scared Dowdy. And 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: there aren't a lot of stories that managed to capture 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: the spirit of adventure on the high seas quite like 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: Mutiny on the Bounty does. It's a tale that's been 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: made into a movie and a book, of course, but 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: it's also the true story of a mutiny that took 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: place in nine in which a crew of sailors on 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: board the British Rural Navy ship HMS Bounty rose up 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: against their commanding officer, William Bly And I, for one, 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: really will say it is a great story, and that's 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: why Katie and I have already covered it. Yes, we 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: talked about it a few years ago. I know it's 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: one of those that I really wish I had gotten 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: to do. But oh well, but the h MS Bounty 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: has been in the news recently, which is why we 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: felt it was a good time to come back to 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: the story to revisit it. When we say that the 20 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: HMS Bounty has been in the news, we're not, of 21 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: course talking about the original seventeen eighty nine Bounty. We're 22 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: talking about the replica toll ship built for the nineteen 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: sixty two movie Mutiny on the Bounty, which starred Marlon Brando, 24 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: another podcast subject in the past, but since that movie, 25 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: the ship has been featured in other films like Pirates 26 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: of the Caribbean. It was used for educational purposes to 27 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: teach people about square riggs sailing and a period of 28 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: maritime history that the original ship hailed from. It was 29 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: also available for for fun too, you know, for tours 30 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: for riding on this old school, authentic ship. Then Hurricane 31 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: Sandy happened in October, also called the frank and Storm 32 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: at times, Sandy caused a lot of damage and affected 33 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: people's lives in a number of really sad ways, ranging 34 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: from the loss of homes to the loss of lives, 35 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: and the HMS Bounty, unfortunately, was also a casualty of 36 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: this terrible storm. So here's the story. The Bounty left 37 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: New London, can Etiquette, where it had been undergoing some repairs, 38 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: on October twenty. Then it was headed for St. Petersburg, Florida, 39 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: where it was set to do a public appearance. It 40 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: went out to Connecticut and traveled due east to try 41 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: to avoid the oncoming hurricane. Obviously knew that this was 42 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: going on, but the crew thought that they would be 43 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: safe if they just went east and kind of went 44 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: around it. Early that Sunday, October. The crew thought that 45 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: it had managed to to to do that to avoid 46 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: the worst of the storm. But they were wrong. Yeah, unfortunately, 47 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: so the ship ran into the tail end of the hurricane, 48 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: which was of course making its way up the Atlantic coast, 49 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: and ultimately it started to take on water and at 50 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: least one of its generators failed. A distress call was 51 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: also put into the U. S. Coast Guard or out 52 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: to them, and most of the sixteen man crew was 53 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: evacuated onto life rafts. I mean, it was a really 54 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: heroic rescue in the middle of the storm, and it 55 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: was remarkable that so many people did end up surviving. 56 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: The ship, however, did not make it, and unfortunately not 57 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 1: all of the crew members did either. I believe two 58 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: two of them were lost. Only fourteen out of sixteen 59 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: made it. The one person died sort of immediately was 60 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: washed off the ship into the ocean, and the captain 61 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: was missing. An interesting note here about one of the 62 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: crew members, the one who died Claudine Christian. She was 63 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: the great, great, great, great great. I hope I got 64 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: the right amount of greats in their granddaughter of Fletcher Christian, 65 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: the lead mutineer of the original HMS Bounty. So nice 66 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: historical connection there, but a very tragic story both for 67 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: the ship and for the people involved. And I guess 68 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: that's why we wanted to kind of air this episode again, 69 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: and just to honor the ship and to honor honor 70 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: the lives of the people who clearly clearly valued something 71 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: that was though historical, and gave a lot of people 72 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: great pleasure. So we'll re air the Bounty and and 73 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: talk about bread Fruit once more. Hello, and welcome to 74 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Katie Lambert and I'm Sarah Dowdy, and 75 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: most of us know a little bit about our topic 76 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: for today, the mutiny on the Bounty, and we know 77 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: there's this outraged group of sailors and the mutiny against 78 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: their captain and two amazing stories in Sue. And the 79 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: first is that the mutineers, with a group of Tahitian women, 80 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: end up establishing a colony on this remote Pacific island 81 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: that still exists today. The island and the colony obviously, 82 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: and then the other is that the cast off captain 83 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: and his loyalists navigate thousands of miles to safety and 84 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: make it all the way back to England eventually. But 85 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: that's about all most people know well, and our understanding 86 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: of the people involved isn't quite as good as our 87 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: understanding of the basics. And that's part le due to 88 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: the misleading but entertaining film portrayals of the stories. Two 89 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: leading men in film Captain Bligh and our mutineer Fletcher Christian. Yeah, 90 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: most of the films depict Bligh as this hard knows 91 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: bully and Christian is a dashing hero, but those depictions 92 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: aren't necessarily correct, and times movies lie. Yeah. It turns out, though, 93 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: that the films weren't the first to skew it that way, 94 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: with with one as the hero and one as this 95 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: mean old captain, and the two men's respective reputations actually 96 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: started to grow shortly after the mutiny itself, when some 97 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: of the participants are brought back to England for justice 98 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: and try to skew the story and save their hides 99 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: by defaming your captain. And it's these interesting back stories 100 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: and others that continue centuries after the mutiny that made 101 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: our listener, Catherine in London, suggests the topic. So we're 102 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: going to start our mission, all right, So the famous 103 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: mutiny happens in the Pacific Islands in seventeen eighty nine. 104 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: But before we get into that, we have to understand 105 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: why the ship was there in the first place. It 106 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: wasn't on your ordinary run of the mill mission. No, 107 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: it was a culinary mission. And to understand we have 108 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: to go back to seventeen sixty nine when Captain James 109 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: Cook ship the Endeavor, discovered the breadfruit in Tahiti, and 110 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: Joseph Banks, a famous botanist on board, took note. And 111 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: several years after this, England had a bit of a 112 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: food crisis, and it wasn't about feeding their own people, 113 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: but about feeding their slaves in Jamaica and the Lesser Antilles. 114 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: And they were wondering, what can we feed all of 115 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: these people with that's cheap and easy to grow in 116 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: the Caribbean. And uh, part of the problem here was 117 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: that they didn't have the North American colonies anymore producing 118 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: loads of food and fish to to feed these big 119 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: slave populations. So botanist Banks suggested the bread fruit, but 120 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: of course that's in Tahiti, so someone would have to 121 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: go there take saplings and cuttings and then attempt to 122 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: propagate the tree in the West Indies. And by seventeen 123 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: eighty seven at very adamant Banks finally convinced the king 124 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: to sponsor this mission. So who would they put in charge, 125 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: Good old, reliable William Bly. And William Bly had been 126 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: in the navy for quite some time. He was born 127 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: to a customs officer in seventeen fifty four, probably in Poymouth, England, 128 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: and he joined the Royal Navy as a teen and 129 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: rose pretty fast under the service of Captain Cook, who 130 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier. And Bligh was even there when Cook 131 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: was bludgeoned to death by natives in what is now 132 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: the Hawaiian Islands, so that would be an unfortunate thing 133 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: to witness. But he also learned a lot from Cook, 134 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: and after returning to England and getting married and having kids, 135 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: he left the Royal Navy and became a meander of 136 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: merchant ships, which was a really good way to make 137 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: a lot of money and to have a bit of 138 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: an easier career than sailing all over the world for 139 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: the Navy, right, but he came out of retirement to 140 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: serve on this bread fruit mission and his vessel would 141 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: be the two hundred fifteen ton Bethia renamed the Bounty, 142 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: and he accepted the mission. But it didn't turn out 143 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 1: to be the prestigious, well funded scientific expedition he hoped 144 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: it would be. The ship was tiny, he didn't get 145 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: the title of master and commander, and he didn't have 146 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: the security and commissioned officers that should have come with 147 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: that kind of trip. But nevertheless, he's got a major 148 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: trip underway, and one of the first men he recruits 149 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: is Fletcher Christian, who's served him well before and has 150 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: connections to his family. However, Yeah, so we have this 151 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: really bizarre mission to get the bread fruit. Not of 152 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: particularly popular mission, but nevertheless it said soft December after 153 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: delays of weeks because of unsuitable weather, so a bad 154 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: start almost right away. But the ship leaves from Spithead, England, 155 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: and the plan is to go to Tahiti by way 156 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: of South America, sailing around the Cape Horn, and they 157 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: near the Cape by late March, but the weather is 158 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: so bad that they make a detour, and this detour 159 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 1: is just insane if you get the tour around the world. Yeah, 160 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: if you get mad about having to go a few 161 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: blocks out of your way. Take note here. Their detour 162 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: involved going around the Cape of Good Hope, which is 163 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 1: in Africa, obviously, and it takes until May for them 164 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: to get there. They stop at Cape Town, refit their ship, 165 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: reload their supplies, and head on their way. And Blind 166 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: may have been disappointed with the initial expedition, but things 167 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: are actually going well so far, especially considering their bad 168 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: weather and the long delay. The men are in good health. 169 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: There haven't been a lot of injuries. He even loans 170 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: money to Christian while they're in Africa, which Bli was 171 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of a tight wad, so that's really 172 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: a big deal. And from the Cape they headed to Tasmania, 173 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: which is where their troubles began. They have a man 174 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: die after a blood letting, and some of the other 175 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: men become a little insolent, but still they press on. 176 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: They get to Tahiti October, and when they arrive in Tahiti, 177 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: the Islanders come pouring aboard the ship, and this is 178 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: a relatively happy time, perhaps one of the last truly 179 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: happy times on this mission. Bli has been to the 180 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: islands before. He really likes Tahiti. He gets along well 181 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: with the native people and he even called Tahiti the 182 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: paradise of the world. And he also gets to work 183 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: on his mission, which is of course securing the bread 184 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: fruit plants and the trees. So he gets permission from 185 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: the island chiefs to transplant and builds a place to 186 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: put the plants and let them grow, and then hangs 187 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: chai for about five of months to see if the 188 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: plants take and to wait out the rainy season. And 189 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: his men don't seem to mind Tahiti. Of course, it's 190 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: gorgeous and they like the native women, but not all 191 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: of their tensions smelt away. Three of the men go 192 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: missing with arms and ammo. They aren't found for three weeks. 193 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: Bli gets grumpy, of course, to find that his orders 194 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: aren't carried out. The men are lacks about important issues, 195 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: um the spare sales, rot and mildew for examp. Pretty 196 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: major problems happening. Yeah, that's a big deal. But finally 197 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: on April five, the bounty is ready to leave with 198 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: its one thousand, fifteen saplings. So by the eleventh of April, 199 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: the ship anchors at the rather ironic Lean and Friendly Islands, 200 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: because not long after they leave their Bli and Christian 201 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: begin to argue and not friendly, No, it's not friendly. 202 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: This was according to a later account. But things get 203 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: worse by the twenty one and that's when Christian is 204 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: hard to say, sir, your abuse is so bad that 205 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: I cannot do my duty with any pleasure. I've been 206 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: in hell for weeks with you, and by April the 207 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: two are fighting again. Blige is disappointed that Christian let 208 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: native men scare him, and he's furious that the Watch 209 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: let a Native diver make off with a small anchor. 210 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: And that brings us to our last straw, which was 211 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: Blige's manhunt over stolen coconuts, which sounds absolutely ridiculous, but 212 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: I think you have to consider these people being in 213 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: such close quarters with each other for so long and 214 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: an already tense situation ready to go home, stolen coconuts 215 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: become a really big deal. But Blithe specifically implicates Christian 216 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: before imposing this ration on Yams, and it just devastates Christian. 217 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: Apparently he seemed crying and Bligh it's not as big 218 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: of a deal for him. He actually doesn't stay angry 219 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: for long. He invites Christian to dine with him that night. 220 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: Christian uh doesn't get over it so quickly, though, because 221 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: preda on April. According to Bligh's account, Christian comes in 222 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: with other men, seizes him, ties him up and threatens 223 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: to kill him, and they haul him naked except for 224 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,599 Speaker 1: a shirt, onto the deck where he's placed on the 225 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: launch vessel and joined by eighteen others who were loyal 226 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: to the captain, and they're given some supplies rum about 227 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: five days worth of food, water, some tools, and a compass, 228 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: and four cutlass is tossed in. At the last minute. 229 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: Three people loyal to Bli are actually detained on board, 230 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: and that will come into play later. But Bli is 231 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: there trying to reason with Christian at the last minute. 232 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: Here he knows what's about to happen to him, and 233 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: he knows that it most likely means death and death 234 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: for the men on this little skiff. He tries to 235 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: remind Christian that he's held his children back in England, 236 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: that he's been his mentor this whole time, and asks 237 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: if this is proper repayment for his kindness, and Christians 238 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: says that Captain bly, that is the thing. I am 239 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: in hell. I am in hell. So Christian is pretty 240 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: tortured by this decision to mutiny against his captain. Other 241 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: men at the trial substantiate this account, and it's possible 242 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: that Christian had considered slipping off the ship in a 243 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: raft alone, which would have been suicidal, but was talked 244 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: into mutiny instead. And while a movie might end, there 245 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: are podcast will not. So first we're going to catch 246 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: up with the captain post mutiny. Things look really bleak. 247 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: This tiny boat, lots of guys, not much food, and 248 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: they're sailing through mostly uncharted water. Certain death, yes, certain death. 249 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: It seems like um. But even though Bligh isn't the 250 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: best people person, maybe not the best captain for no 251 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: managerial skills negotiating with folks, he's a really great navigator. 252 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: And from his tiny little glimpses he's had of of 253 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: charted waters that the waters that actually are charted, he's 254 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: able to navigate thousands of miles back to safety. What 255 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: he's done is is pretty fantastic. And they stop on 256 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: a volcanic island, but when one of them was killed 257 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: by natives, Blies determined not to stop again. So two 258 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: Teamore or death, as Sarah wrote in her outline, But 259 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: the problem would be that Teamore is about three thousand, 260 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: six hundred miles away. And the other thing is everyone 261 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: on the boat kind of hates each other, which is 262 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: going to be a running theme for the rest of 263 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: the podcast. They bicker and argue with each other the 264 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: whole way, and of course they're starving too, so they 265 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: have a lot of good reasons to be on the 266 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: grumpy side. Somewhat miraculously, they reached Teamore June fourteenth nine, 267 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: and the English Chronicle calls the navigation of his little 268 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: skiff through so dangerous a sea a matchless undertaking that 269 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: seems beyond the verge of probability. And from there they 270 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: go on to Jakarta and eventually find a ride all 271 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: the way back to England and Lie is hailed as 272 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: a hero, and he writes a narrative which is very popular, 273 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: and he also gets a new job still with the 274 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: bread Fruit. You think you would be red fruit sick 275 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: of red fruit by this point, but um, this time around, 276 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: the mission is going to be different. He's going to 277 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: have lieutenants, he's going to have marines for security. I 278 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: think the Royal Navy has realized that a mission of 279 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: this size should have been managed better. Oh and it's 280 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: payback time. The Royal Navy also wants to hunt it 281 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: down our mutineers, if there are any mutineers left to find, 282 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: which brings us to our next question, what happened to 283 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: the mutineers? So in the Navy commissions Captain Edward Edwards 284 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: and the Pandora to find the surviving mutineers in the Pacific, 285 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: and one of the Bligh Skift survivors comes along to 286 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: presumably to help identify the men and to talk to 287 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: them and probably bring out their guilt a little too, 288 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: if this is the guy you tossed into a boat 289 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: not too long ago. Face to face encounter. When the 290 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: ship arrives in Tahiti, three bounty mutineers swim out to it. 291 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: They're so ready to go home, and they're arrested and chained, 292 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: while the other men are rounded up and put into 293 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: the prison hut on deck, which they called Pandora's Box, 294 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: which is pretty clever. And one of the survivors tells 295 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: Edwards how the men got there, and he pieces together 296 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: more from the journals of the captured men. But the 297 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: basics are that hatred and jealousy began immediately after the mutiny, 298 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: with some men thinking that Christian favored his friends among 299 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: the other mutineers. So the ship initially anchors on a 300 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: tiny island south Titi, and because they're pretty short unsupplies, 301 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: they head back to Tahiti and load up on livestock 302 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: as well as a bunch of Tahitian people women, men, boys, 303 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: and one girl, and then head back to their tiny 304 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: island and they try to live there for about three 305 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: months before the in fighting again with the infi no more. 306 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: It gets insufferable and Christian agrees to take some of 307 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: the men back to Tahiti, and he takes sixteen of 308 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: them back, implying that he'll linger nearby the island on 309 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: the ship for about a day or so before slipping off. 310 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: That he doesn't doesn't happen. He leaves in the middle 311 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: of the night, essentially kidnapping the women who were on 312 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: board the ship. One even jumps overboard and swims back 313 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: from beyond the coral reef when she realizes what's happening, 314 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: and sadly, of the sixteen left in Tahiti, two are murdered. 315 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: So back to our Captain Edwards. He keeps hunting for 316 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: Christian and his band of men, but he can't find them. 317 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: He eventually gives up and starts to head home, but 318 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: runs his ship aground on Australia's Great Barrier Reef Thirty 319 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: one of his men drowned and four prisoners die, so 320 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,239 Speaker 1: only ten prisoners make it back to England, where they 321 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: will be tried together. And the prosecution rests on three points. 322 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: These men didn't try to stop the mutiny, they didn't 323 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: get into the law with BLI, and they didn't try 324 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: to get to England after the mutiny, but hid instead. 325 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: And there's still more fighting among the defendants over who 326 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: did what, because obviously this is the time to implicate 327 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: your fellows. He was the guy with the weapon. It 328 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: wasn't me. I was dragged into the whole thing by Christian. 329 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: You can imagine. It goes on and on, and four 330 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: of the men have letters from BLI declaring them innocent, 331 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: so this court martial for them is pretty much a formality. 332 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: They'll be okay. Three are virtually assured death because they 333 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 1: had all been seen with arms. Everyone can agree that 334 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: these three guys were bearing arms, and three are kind 335 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: of up in the air, especially one named Peter Hayward, 336 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: who's the only officer charged, and he was only fifteen 337 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: at the time of the mutiny. He's from a really 338 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: well connected family though, and says that he's young and 339 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: confused at the time of the mutiny, that he had 340 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: been sleeping below decks so hadn't been able to react 341 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: in till it was a bit too late, and he 342 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: didn't want to join the launch because it was so overloaded. 343 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: But interestingly too, it's his testimony that kind of helps 344 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: build up the legend of BLI as a sadistic, incompetent captain, 345 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: something that will help Haywood get off the hook. And 346 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: he of course isn't there to defend his own name. 347 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: He's on bread Fruit Mission Part two, so that's the 348 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: only account that people are going by really. So ultimately 349 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: one of the prisoners gets off on a legal technicality, 350 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: two are pardoned, including Hayward, and then three hang at 351 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: Portsmith Harbor and their bodies are displayed for two hours 352 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: in the range just a warning to other Wood message 353 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: to you. So Bli's second bread Fruit mission is successful. 354 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: He secures two thousand one plants. He manages to get 355 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: six hundred and seventy eight of them to the West 356 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: Indies and there he delivers them at St. Vincent and Jamaica, 357 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: and he was delayed there by the start of the 358 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: French Revolution, but eventually returned and continues his up and 359 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: down career. Being gone for the trial was very unfortunate 360 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: for his reputation since a bit of a pamphlet war 361 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: started not only with Hayward's claims against his character, but 362 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: Christian's brother, a law professor at Cambridge who interviews the 363 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: crew members to show problems with the command, and that's 364 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 1: where he gets his nickname, the Bounty Bastard, which haunts 365 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: him for the rest of his life. But catching up 366 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: with Christian and his men, what happens to them? Captain 367 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: Edwards is never able to find them, presumably they're all dead. 368 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: They don't make it. But the second act of this 369 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: story continues in eighteen ten when the American ship Topaz 370 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: and Captain Folger find this Englishman Alexander Smith also known 371 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: as John Adams, on Pitcaren Island in the South Pacific. 372 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: So what's he doing here? He's claiming he's a bounty survivor. 373 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: He tells how the grew of mutineers, Tahitian women and 374 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: male Tahitian servants landed there in seventeen nine and stripped 375 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: and burned the bounty to cover their tracks. In fighting, 376 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: once again, it kills off almost everyone, with Christian getting 377 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: shot in the neck with a pistol ball, although other 378 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: rumors do have Christian escaping Pitcaren and returning to England, 379 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: probably unlikely. It seems like infighting is our general trend 380 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: here and we should probably go We're going with the 381 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: pistol ball. But just because most of the men have 382 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: killed each other off doesn't mean that this island is 383 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: devoid of a population. There has been a lot of 384 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: repopulating going on at the same time, and the island 385 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: now has thirty five inhabitants, and Smith is their leader. 386 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: And the first to be born on the island is 387 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: actually Christian's own son. And so this new expedition finds 388 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: a twenty year old Thursday October Christian, the descendant of Fletcher, 389 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: and a Tahitian woman, a name we had a lot 390 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: of fun with earlier. Today. Some of the settlers eventually 391 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: immigrate to Norfolk Island, east of Australia, and many of 392 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: them still live there today, but others still live on 393 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: pit Karen, where they speak English and pitt Kern, a 394 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: mix of Tahitian and eighteenth century English, which sounds pretty cool. 395 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: And they trade with ships that come by or sell 396 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: their stuff online. But a few years ago they had 397 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: a scandal when numerous men were arrested and charged with 398 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: abusing underage girls. I'd read a big article in Vanity 399 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: Fair about it, called Trouble in Paradise, which you can 400 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: find online. Sarah read some other accounts, yeah, and NPR 401 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: story about the journalist Kathy Marks who had unearthed this 402 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: whole history which apparently stretched back for generations, at least 403 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: three generations of abuse. That's just a side note for us. 404 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: We're going to go to the more popular game of 405 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: what went wrong? So why was there this mutiny in 406 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: the first place. That's the big popular question, and one 407 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: myth to debunk is that Bli and Christian had this secret, 408 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: illicit relationship and that's why Christian just got so angry 409 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: at Bligh and mutinied. He was in Hell. He wasn't Hell, Yeah, exactly. So. 410 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: The historian who first suggested this idea retracted it later 411 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 1: after she reassessed the size of the ship and figured 412 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: that there was no way you could have conducted a 413 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: secret affair aboard a vessels so small. And this mutiny 414 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: also didn't happen because Bli was too strict. In his 415 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: captain's log, he had noted that he hadn't punished anyone 416 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: until several months in, and he also noted that he'd 417 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: hoped to complete the journey without it flogging, and those 418 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: types of punishment weren't something that he relied on. That 419 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: was a sign of trouble for him. Yeah, he was 420 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: really pretty light on corporal punishment as far as other 421 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: captains in the Pacific went. He's a pretty progressive captain, 422 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 1: according to Caroline Alexander, who is a historian who's written 423 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: several articles in books on the subject, and she said 424 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: that especially in terms of food and sleep for the men, 425 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: he's extremely progressive. So it wasn't about that. It wasn't 426 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: that he was this tyrannical, physically abusive captain, but he 427 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: could have been verbally and personally abusive in a way 428 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: that really needled his men. So Alexander's biggest cause of 429 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: the mutiny is Fletcher Christian himself, and she says that 430 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have happened without him, and that it happened 431 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: because of his own personal breakdown. So maybe we shouldn't 432 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: look too to Blige for our problems, but to Christian himself. 433 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: So Sarah, was this mission for bread fruit all for not? Yeah, 434 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: we have to catch up with the bread fruit here, 435 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: since it's the whole purpose for this story. The specimens 436 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: that arrive in Jamaica are practically too late because it 437 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: takes a while for this exotic, strange food to catch on, 438 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: and by the time it finally does catch on, slavery 439 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: has been abolished by the British today. Know, it's actually 440 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: a really popular food in Jamaica, And according to the Smithsonian, 441 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: a mature tree produces two hundred pounds of fruit a season, 442 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: which is kind of insane. And it's filled with protein 443 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: and calories and carbohydrates and nutrients. And you can grill 444 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: it and fry it and bake it and roast it. 445 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I'm talking about shrimp and forests. 446 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm thinking the same thing. So if you'd like to 447 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: send us a breadfruit recipe, please do, And that brings 448 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: us to the end of the mute and the bounty 449 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: and our ideas about who or what was the cause 450 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: of it. So there it was kind of an incredible story. 451 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: It's a really incredible story. I mean, the miles involved. 452 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: I remember at the time that was what what most 453 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: amazed me, Like, how do you travel that distance in? 454 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: You know, they were they were just flying by the 455 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: seat of their pants essentially, I know, I mean, and 456 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: those stories always kind of blow my mind even today, 457 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: you know, those sorts of stories of survival and and 458 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: and making it through kind of treacherous conditions with very 459 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: little but historically I think it's even more impressive. It is. 460 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: I have to throw this into since we have revisited 461 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: the subject of the mutan me on the bounty. Um. 462 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: I was clearly very interested in bread fruit, and I 463 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: don't remember if I ever included this in a later 464 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: listener Maal, but I did finally purchase a bread fruit. 465 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: I found one at the grocery store. I thought to myself, 466 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm buying that breadfruit and went home and prepared it. 467 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: What you do with it? Um, I think I baked it, 468 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, There were a few, you know, 469 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: I asked around for a few different preparation methods. Who 470 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: did you ask? Who I was like, who was making 471 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: the breadfruit? I thought it might be someone we knew 472 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: in the office or something. No, no, although you never know. Um, 473 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: But I think now re airing this episode, I'm almost 474 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: tempted to try again because I remember there another quite 475 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 1: a few ways you could prepare bread fruit, and I 476 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: clearly barely scratched the surface. Maybe we shouldn't have a 477 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: cook off bread fruit instead of a chili cookoff this year. 478 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: Do a bread fruit for the holiday? Maybe, I don't know. 479 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: We'll have to get the rest of our office on 480 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: board with that one. So many possibilities there. But like 481 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: we said, I mean, we're we're kind of joking about 482 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: it now and uh and touching on some of the 483 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: cooler parts of the story. But at the same time, 484 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: you know, as we mentioned the news about the bounty, 485 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: it is no more so there's a sad note to 486 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: this story as well, um, but always interesting to get 487 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: these updates it is. It's it's interesting whenever you see, 488 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: um something covered as heavily as this too, you know 489 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: you would maybe maybe it's the Pirates of the Caribbean um, 490 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: but that connection was all over the news. It was. 491 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: It was one of the main stand these stories coming 492 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: out first, first couple of days. So um. Anyway, it was. 493 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: It was good to talk about it again and discuss 494 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: some things. And Okay, listener, nail time. We have a 495 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: cool We haven't had to listen while I entree in 496 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: a while. We haven't, although I've stored up a list. 497 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: It's about need to break out the list. Yeah, we're 498 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: going to have to do a rundown sooner or later. 499 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: But we got this one that was kind of interesting 500 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: from listener Julia, and she says, Hi, I'm answering your 501 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: call to listeners to let you know what we're doing 502 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: while we're listening. I'm a freelance theater costume designer, and 503 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: I listen while I'm making crazy, furry, sparkly burning man 504 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: costumes in my studio and also while I'm working in 505 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: various costume shops and dressing rooms at professional theaters here 506 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: in Seattle. Yesterday, I was listening while sorting boxes of 507 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: costumes in an attic space over a stage where there 508 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: was a rehearsal of a music review happening. I love 509 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: what I do, but when all the design and injury 510 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: Arion is done. There's a lot of somewhat monotonous sary 511 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 1: that needs to happen, and my iPod full of how 512 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: Stuff Works podcast keeps my brain from shutting off. You've 513 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: probably helped me prevent countless wardrobe malfunctions over the past 514 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: few years that I've been listening, So thanks, and I 515 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: am glad Julia that we could help you out with that, 516 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: because I can't think of anything worse than a wardrobe 517 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: malfunction on stage or at burning Man. True. So that 518 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: was a fun email. And we've mentioned before we have 519 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: a lot of costume designers and books in that realm 520 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: who listened to the podcast, and it's always neat to 521 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: hear from from you guys and from the rest of 522 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: you too, and hear what you're doing like that, I 523 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: am compiling a list. We will have to go through 524 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: a rundown on that sooner or later, but we love 525 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: hearing these They're always entertaining. Yeah, if you want to 526 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: send us some more, we would love to hear them. 527 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: We're at History Podcast at Discovery dot com. 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