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Speaker 1: We are here at the NFL Report.

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Speaker 2: I am Steve White in our Los Angeles studios, and

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Speaker 2: my man James Palmer. He is at arrow Heads Stadium

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Speaker 2: for the Thursday night match up between the Chiefs and

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Speaker 2: the Broncos JP. It looks like the weather is actually

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Speaker 2: beautiful out there in Kansas City.

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Speaker 3: I don't cover a lot of games here at Arrowhead, Steve.

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Speaker 3: Where that sentence is said to me as they throw

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Speaker 3: it out to me on the sideline at Arrowhead, Usually

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Speaker 3: it's freezing in some capacity, or it's snowing, or they're

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Speaker 3: sleet or something is happening on the sideline that I'm

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Speaker 3: telling you about the weather. When I tell you about

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Speaker 3: the weather for this Thursday night game, it is gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: Now there might be some wind for this game. You

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Speaker 3: might hear some wind through this microphone throughout the show.

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Speaker 3: That could be the only thing possibly that could slow

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Speaker 3: down Patrick Mahomes and his Chief's offense as we've seen

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Speaker 3: them continue to get back to AFC Championship game year

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Speaker 3: and a year out. Steve, and and we wait, I

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Speaker 3: know who they faced here.

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Speaker 2: Wait wait, no, no, no, But before we get to this conversation,

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Speaker 2: you can't just blow over the visiting guests. The most

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Speaker 2: important fan coming to the game tonight. Now that we

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Speaker 2: have Brian Baldinger on later in the show. Every time

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Speaker 2: we have Baldy on, you've got your popcorn ready for Baldy,

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Speaker 2: give your.

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Speaker 1: Popcorn ready for Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 2: She's supposed to be there to see your guy Travis

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Speaker 2: playing tonight's game as well.

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Speaker 1: JP.

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Speaker 3: That's the room around the campfire that she will be

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Speaker 3: here Nashally televised game. Taylor Swift shows up, surprise, surprise.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how those who could be connected in

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Speaker 3: any sort of capacity that this is a game that

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Speaker 3: she shows up to that it's live on Thursday night, right, No,

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Speaker 3: not at all.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, nice Campfire dropped there too, to

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Speaker 2: also go a bunch your on time, your your online show,

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Speaker 2: the Campfire chronicles here, the Campfire stories. But real quick, Jay,

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Speaker 2: but you were talking about you're talking about Arrowhead, the

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Speaker 2: sight of some of the great playoff battles we've seen

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Speaker 2: the past couple of years between the Kansasity Chiefs and

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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals, who got a dub last week as

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow came back from that cap injury and it

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Speaker 2: looks like maybe their season could be resuscitated, that things

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Speaker 2: could be coming back, JP, are we do you think

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Speaker 2: after that.

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Speaker 1: Victory last week over Arizona? Mind you one in four

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Speaker 1: Arizona is a very.

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Speaker 2: Positive sign for the Bengals to be the team that

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Speaker 2: we think they'll be.

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Speaker 3: I don't care who they were playing, Steve, in all honesty,

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Speaker 3: I think it's a positive sign because of one player,

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Speaker 3: and one player specifically, and you mentioned Joe Burrow. It's

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Speaker 3: because of how he moved in this game, how he

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Speaker 3: was able to throw the football in this game, going

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Speaker 3: thirty six of forty six for three hundred and seventeen

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Speaker 3: yards three touchdowns. He looked like Joe Burrow. He looked

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Speaker 3: like the guy that got the biggest payday in the

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Speaker 3: history of the NFL this offseason. And what stood out

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Speaker 3: to me in most Steve, is that the way he

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Speaker 3: was moving and some of the plays that he made

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Speaker 3: on the move, to my understanding, those were his decision.

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Speaker 3: Those weren't calls from Zach Taylor. There's a big difference

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Speaker 3: there because if he's the one moving like that and

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Speaker 3: It shows you as he has confidence that he's feeling

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Speaker 3: that's the biggest thing that jumps out at this because

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Speaker 2: And James, I'm so glad you brought that up, because

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Speaker 1: I went back and rewatched this. It seemed like Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow like, Okay, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I can drive the ball down the field, I can

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Speaker 2: of the huddle with the type of urgency and the

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Speaker 1: It is their upcoming schedule.

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Speaker 2: They play the Seahawks Sunday, then they play the Niners,

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Speaker 2: the Bills, the Texans, the and the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: So again, I expect the Bengals to be.

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Speaker 2: What they've been in the past couple years, which is

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Speaker 1: This will really identify a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of what's going on with the Cincinnati Bengals and Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow and speaking about trying to find some things out, JP,

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Speaker 2: let's look at some of these younger quarterbacks that we

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Speaker 2: last week against the Commanders. Not necessarily great overall in

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Speaker 1: But JP, the way he ran this offense.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he has turned the corner down on

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Speaker 3: I think I saw a couple of changes over these

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Speaker 3: lot of this Reid option stuff where obviously every defense

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Speaker 3: They've gone back now over these last six quarters, and

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Speaker 3: I've seen them go to some runs where there isn't

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Speaker 3: gonna go make something happen with his legs. The other

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Speaker 3: part is the confidence he had and throwing the football

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Speaker 3: that's what's gonna happen when you throw the football up

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Speaker 3: to him. That applies confidence to your quarterback. So I

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Speaker 3: do think they've changed some things offensively in terms of

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Speaker 3: setting him up to succeed. Now they have this mini

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Speaker 3: bye week Steve playing that Thursday night game to get

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Speaker 3: In my opinion about what's working and what they're seeing,

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Speaker 3: it's using his legs. It's being aggressive downfield and having

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is you said something there that's

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Speaker 2: not just him, it's for Oc Lugetzi and the rest

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be okay justin use your legs or some

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Speaker 1: But there are some opportunities.

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Speaker 2: For this offense to get because they're playing the Vikings

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Speaker 2: to get to is Desmond Ritter. Right, you know, first

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Speaker 2: So I think the fact that the Falcons are setting

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Speaker 2: I feel better about Desmond Ridder than I did just.

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Speaker 3: You know who else feels better about Desmond Ridter The Falcons.

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Speaker 3: I think obviously they feel a lot better about desim Ritter.

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Speaker 3: WHI jumps out to the organization. To my understanding, is

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Speaker 3: we should have started it probably earlier last year and

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Speaker 3: moving from Marcus Mariota over to Desmond Ridder get him

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Speaker 3: NFL season. Let's go to Kenny Pickett. Now, Steve in

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Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Steelers. We've been on this show up and

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Speaker 3: down about the Pittsburgh Steelers and what we've thought, where

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Speaker 1: End of the season as a rookie, we've seen out

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Speaker 2: Continue to go through growing pains, but he doesn't turn

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Speaker 3: Well, Steve real quick, I do want to jump in

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Speaker 4: Party back time steps around from DeMarcus Lawrence throws for

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Speaker 4: a flay flicker back to Brock. Party takes a shot

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Speaker 3: He has the hat trick.

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Speaker 5: Play action gonna roll right.

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Speaker 4: Through fall back wide open Spider two Rye Banana touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Way back to the NFL report, you're hearing the voice

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator Leslie, let's go hey and less. When you

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Speaker 1: That's not today's football.

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Speaker 2: But you said, you've noticed two teams who are using

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Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, absolutely, you're You're exactly right. When I was playing,

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Speaker 6: twenty one and twenty two were predominant personnel groups. Well,

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Speaker 6: today you don't see twenty one personnel very often, But

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Speaker 6: the San Francisco Quarter Niners and the Miami Dolphins. The

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Speaker 6: Miami Dolphins, Steve, they are in twenty one personnel about

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Speaker 6: in a drop back league, and it's creating quite a

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Speaker 2: Hey, coach, real quick before jpfore you get in here,

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Speaker 6: So with twenty one personnel, we're talking about two running backs,

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Speaker 6: as I mentioned before, they're giving you a curve ball.

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Speaker 6: On defense, you have to adjust to twenty one personnel.

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Speaker 6: Usually with your base personnel, and what I mean by

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Speaker 6: So teams are beginning to go to a little bit

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Speaker 6: about three years ago nickel defenses, you were seeing them

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Speaker 6: the teams would want to knuckle on deepos to try

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 6: As you guys know, this is a copycat league. So

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Speaker 3: But coach, when you say that the copycat league, I

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Speaker 6: You're exactly right. I mean the key for both teams

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Speaker 7: Just do different things with the personnel.

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Speaker 6: So you're right, they can kind of personnel you a

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Speaker 3: Now, we could talk x's and o's coach all day, right, Steve.

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Speaker 3: We could probably ask coach these questions for probably the

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Speaker 3: And we just saw kind of the curtain pulls back

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Speaker 8: Here's coach right, He's super competitive. He wants to bring

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Speaker 8: I appreciate those conversations. They're always very challenging. He's a

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Speaker 3: I find a coach very candid words, right, Steve, from

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, if you have an owner that

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Speaker 7: That are not even in the city per se.

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Speaker 3: Real quick, Steve, I want to jump in here because

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Speaker 3: Bowl Super Bowl week. Their focus as owners of the

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Speaker 3: New England Patriots was on a business deal that they

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Speaker 3: were dealing with their shipping company.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's kind of what most owners do.

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Speaker 2: They got wealthy and other businesses other than the NFL

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Speaker 2: un list, those of course made their money the hardest

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Speaker 2: way through inheritance. Coach Frazer, thank you so much, man,

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Speaker 2: I mean that was really good stuff. We want to

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Speaker 2: bring you back some more.

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Speaker 1: On this twenty one personnel type.

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Speaker 2: We love this type of and JP we come back

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Speaker 2: Judy Matista telling us about two New York teams CD

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Speaker 2: it in different directions, and why is it Carson Wentz

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Speaker 2: on somebody's roster?

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Speaker 3: Back at the answer, We got an answer.

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Speaker 2: The Sea Block of the NFL Report, James and I

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Speaker 2: are now joined by Judy Batista, the NFL Media, one

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Speaker 2: of our best and most astute journalist. On stabb and Judy, literally,

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Speaker 2: there's gonna be no jokes. There's gonna be no jokes

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Speaker 2: about indoor footwear on this show.

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Speaker 3: By the way.

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Speaker 9: Thank god, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Thank god, We're not gonna do that. That was pleasant.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, dude, you're in New York, You're in the

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Speaker 2: New York area, and you've got some great football teams.

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Speaker 1: You are in the Giants and the Jets.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure everybody's over the moon with the

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Speaker 2: way their seasons are going. Let's start with the Giants, Judy,

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Speaker 2: because this bad start is is I mean, it seems

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Speaker 2: like it's their reality of what's gonna happen now. Daniel

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Speaker 2: Jones is hurt, Darren Waller is hurt. We don't know

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Speaker 2: Saquant's coming.

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Speaker 1: Back this week to face the Bills.

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Speaker 2: Is this the real New York Giants or is there

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Speaker 2: the potential for them to turn a corner?

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Speaker 1: Because after this week against the Bills, their.

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Speaker 2: Schedule, if you, if you will take it this way,

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Speaker 2: does lighten a tad.

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Speaker 10: Yes, so I could Yes, let's let's try to be

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Speaker 10: positive at the outset of this conversation.

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Speaker 9: The schedule does ease up the start.

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Speaker 10: The schedule is really really hard, was really really hard,

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Speaker 10: lots of primetime games, weird scheduling.

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Speaker 9: So yes, it's it's been really hard.

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Speaker 10: So yes, I could see them improving but I mean,

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Speaker 10: let's keep some perspective here. The offensive line is absolutely decimated.

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Speaker 10: Their left tackle is out for who knows how long

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Speaker 10: but the hamstring. He's by far their best offensive lineman.

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Speaker 10: The rest of the offensive line has not been able

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Speaker 10: to protect at all. We don't know if Saquan is

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Speaker 10: coming back this week. There was some optimism, but we

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Speaker 10: don't know yet. And now, as you pointed out, Daniel

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Speaker 10: Jones has a neck injury and he has not practiced

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Speaker 10: this week, so it seems unlikely that he will play

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Speaker 10: on Sunday. So, I mean, things are about as low

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Speaker 10: as it can get right now. And the reality is

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Speaker 10: that they are not just losing games. They're getting blown

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Speaker 10: out of games. With the exception of that second half

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Speaker 10: that furious comeback against the Arizona Cardinals, they're just getting

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Speaker 10: destroyed by opponents. And so even if things take a

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Speaker 10: turn for the better, and even if everybody gets healthy,

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Speaker 10: I mean, yes, you could see them maybe picking up

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Speaker 10: a win here or there, but it's hard at this

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Speaker 10: point to imagine them, you know, taking off on the

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Speaker 10: kind of run that would get them back in say,

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Speaker 10: playoff contention. I mean, they're just nowhere near that. The

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Speaker 10: offense is like really non productive. I think the only

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Speaker 10: team that is scoring fewer points is the New England Patriots,

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Speaker 10: which is an entirely separate convertable but that you know,

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Speaker 10: but that gives you some perspective. I mean, all week

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Speaker 10: talking about the New England Patriots situation, well, you know,

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Speaker 10: the only team that makes the Patriots so good right now?

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Speaker 10: Or the New York Giants. I mean it's they are

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Speaker 10: in a real difficult spot and the injury situation is

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Speaker 10: just dire.

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Speaker 3: Right now, Judy, one word answer. Do we expect changes

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Speaker 3: with the New York Football Giants at.

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Speaker 9: The end of the season or now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, end of the season.

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Speaker 10: I do not expect them to make our coaching or

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Speaker 10: a general manager change. Certainly, I would expect a personnel change.

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Speaker 10: I mean, listen, I was supposed to be a one

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Speaker 10: word answer. Sorry, one word answer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's okay, Judy, I agree with you. I think

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Speaker 3: below that first two that you mentioned possible changes. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I was in a locker room on Sunday with another

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Speaker 3: New York team that was a very different field than

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Speaker 3: what we're hearing and seeing with the Giants, and that

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Speaker 3: was the Jets locker room at Mile high after Nathaniel

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Speaker 3: Hackett and company take down Sean Payton and the Broncos.

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Speaker 3: This was a locker room I was in judy that

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Speaker 3: was full of I hate to use this word after

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Speaker 3: they lost Aaron Rodgers after four snaps, but optimism because

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Speaker 3: of what they saw from both of their running backs,

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Speaker 3: from what they saw from their defense. Where do things

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Speaker 3: stand in your eyes with the Jets moving forward in

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Speaker 3: what they've kind of done in these last two games

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Speaker 3: and win them both. But what they've done in these

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Speaker 3: last two games, well, first.

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Speaker 10: Of all, as we know, winning fixes everything, right, like,

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Speaker 10: everything looks doable if you've won a game, certainly the

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Speaker 10: way they played last week. Now i'llbeit against the Denver

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Speaker 10: Broncos right like a defense that has been struggling mightily

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Speaker 10: this season, but that is how they want to play.

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Speaker 10: They want to be able to run the ball. And

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Speaker 10: Bristol looks fantastic recovered from the ACL. He's no longer

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Speaker 10: on a pitch count and it showed he's electrifying. They

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Speaker 10: want to be able to run the ball, They want

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Speaker 10: to be able to rely on their defense, and then

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Speaker 10: they want Zach Wilson, you know, to get out of

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Speaker 10: the pocket to move around a little bit to create plays,

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Speaker 10: and they were able to do all of that. Again,

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Speaker 10: it came against a team that it has its own

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Speaker 10: very significant problems, but certainly they feel better about things

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Speaker 10: than they did, you know, for example, coming off the

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Speaker 10: Patriots game when things just look terrible. And I do

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Speaker 10: think a big part of it is we talked about

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Speaker 10: this last week too. Zach Wilson and Nathan Hackett needed

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Speaker 10: time to sort of get to know each other and

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Speaker 10: get to know what each other likes. And I think

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Speaker 10: Hackett needed to get an understanding of what Zach Wilson

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Speaker 10: is comfortable with and where he excels. And I think

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Speaker 10: they're finally getting that marriage together.

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Speaker 2: Hey Judy, we only have about ninety seconds here, but

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Speaker 2: just you're covering the game. I think the Niners at

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Speaker 2: the Browns this week the Deshaun Watson situation with the

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Speaker 2: show that we don't know if he is going to

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Speaker 2: play or not. But this opens up a big can

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Speaker 2: for the Browns. Like Dorian Thompson, Robinson and PJ. Walker

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Speaker 2: are their backup quarterbacks. You would think with the team

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Speaker 2: with this much playoff aspirations this season might have fortified

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Speaker 2: their backup quarterback situation a little bit better trade Josh Dobbs, Arizona.

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Speaker 1: He looks like a legit starter. What about the way

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Speaker 1: that they.

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Speaker 2: Make some money, stayed themselves unprotected in a season where

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Speaker 2: so much seems to be riding on things.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, look, I don't think they're alone, but certainly you'd

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Speaker 10: probably rather have, for instance, at Gardner Minshew right now

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Speaker 10: than what the Browns have. You know, they do think

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Speaker 10: that Walker gives them a better chance. You know, he

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Speaker 10: played fairly well. I think it was six or seven

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Speaker 10: starts in Carolina, and so he played fairly well. So

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Speaker 10: you think that that gives them a better chance than

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Speaker 10: a rookie who you know, obviously needs more seasoning. He

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Speaker 10: had three interceptions against the Ravens, thrown into it a

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Speaker 10: very very difficult situation on very short notice. But yeah,

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Speaker 10: they're going to have to hold it together until Deshaun

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Speaker 10: gets better. I mean, this is obviously a crazy difficult matchup.

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Speaker 10: There's no time that you want to face the Niners

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Speaker 10: right now. You especially don't want to have to face

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Speaker 10: them with a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 9: But I agree with you.

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Speaker 10: I mean, there are loads of teams out there who

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Speaker 10: are not like the San Francisco forty nine Ers, who

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Speaker 10: are a clear Super Bowl caliber roster, and made sure

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Speaker 10: they had an experienced backup there in case brock Perdy

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Speaker 10: gets hurt. They've got Sam Darnold there. Again, you'd rather

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Speaker 10: have Gardner Minshew in this situation probably than what most

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Speaker 10: teams have. Look at the New England Patriots, who don't

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Speaker 10: look like a playoff team right now, but certainly had

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Speaker 10: aspirations when this season started. Their backup quarterback is Bailey Seppi,

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Speaker 10: who they exposed to waivers. They basically said to the

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Speaker 10: rest of the league here, do you want him, You

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Speaker 10: can have him, and nobody took him, and so they

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Speaker 10: brought him back. He's the backup. That's part of the

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Speaker 10: reason why they're sticking with mac Jones as the starter

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Speaker 10: despite two terrible performances, because they don't have a better option.

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Speaker 9: And that's where the Browns are too.

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Speaker 7: No better options.

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Speaker 1: Right this is such a great discussion.

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Speaker 2: We're going to continue this on a little bit different level,

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Speaker 2: So thanks so much for kind of teeing things up

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Speaker 2: for us right now. All the best of you this

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Speaker 2: weekend watching that dandy between the Browns and the forty

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Speaker 2: nine ers, But as Juliet, let's look at the importance

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Speaker 2: of having a good backup because look at this is

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Speaker 2: through five games of the last four seasons, how many

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Speaker 2: backup quarterbacks had to play. As Pep Hamilton said, quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: are getting hit, they're getting exposed to injuries, and look

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Speaker 2: at the one loss record with twenty twenty two kind

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Speaker 2: of being the outlier. So for more on this, James

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Speaker 2: Palmer is joined by Mike Garafolo, who is out there

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Speaker 2: doing our Thursday night coverage at Arrowhead and Mike, ge

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Speaker 2: I like the tie, I like the shades. For those

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Speaker 2: of you on the podcast, James is not rocking a

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Speaker 2: tie or shades, but.

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Speaker 1: He's still looking very good.

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Speaker 3: But but Mike, I can't hide these baby blues.

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Speaker 1: Mike, Oh my god. So here we go. Don't retort back.

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Speaker 1: We don't have too much time, Mike.

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Speaker 2: We've heard Judy talk about how some teams have left

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Speaker 2: themselves kind of exposed with the way they've handled their

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Speaker 2: backup quarterback situation.

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Speaker 1: What about some of these teams.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we see like San Francisco with Darnold, New

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Speaker 2: Orleans has Jameis Winston, but Cincinnati has Jake Browning. Right,

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Speaker 2: Chicago has Tyson badget Minnesota, Jaron? What about the exposure

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Speaker 2: some of the teams have left themselves too by not

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Speaker 2: having a valid backup quarterback? And why is there such

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Speaker 2: I guess non Dearth say, of backup quarterbacks in the NFL.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's situation by situation, Steve, because there are times

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Speaker 11: where you've got a quarterback, and Green Bay I think

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Speaker 11: is the best example of this. Yeah, in Jordan Love,

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Speaker 11: who you didn't spend a lot of money on. But

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Speaker 11: you don't want a guy looking over his shoulder, right

642
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Speaker 11: You just had him in Aaron Rodgers shadow for quite

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Speaker 11: a number of years. You finally get him a chance

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Speaker 11: to be the starting quarterback. You got a rookie that

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Speaker 11: nobody's gonna be clamoring for. I mean, think about it,

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Speaker 11: if they had a veteran right now that they spent

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Speaker 11: a bunch of money on. Jordan Love's played pretty well,

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Speaker 11: but he just threw a couple interceptions, a couple of

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Speaker 11: key interceptions in that game the other night. Some folks

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Speaker 11: might be clamoring for the backup quarterback. So that's a

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Speaker 11: philosophy right there. I think Chicago sort of did similar

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Speaker 11: things with Justin Fields right now. But then you've got

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Speaker 11: some of the teams you talked about. When you spend

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Speaker 11: fifth million dollars on the starting quarterback position, it doesn't

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Speaker 11: leave you anything at the backup spot.

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Speaker 3: And Edlor did that though they spend ten million on

657
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Speaker 3: Jared Sindham. Yes this over two years, Yes exactly. But

658
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Speaker 3: I'm saying that's pretty good money for a back that's

659
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Speaker 3: five and five.

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Speaker 11: And I think that the new regime looked at that

661
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Speaker 11: and said, we don't know if we're quite bought in

662
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Speaker 11: on Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 3: So another example that it's case by case.

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Speaker 11: Right, there's there's no question about that. But I go

665
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Speaker 11: back to the Eagles when they had Carson Wentz and

666
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Speaker 11: they gave him a big extension. Howie Roseman said, how

667
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Speaker 11: do I now get the max value out of the

668
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Speaker 11: backup spot? He went and drafted Jalen Hurts, And so

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Speaker 11: that's a good way for me to get value at

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Speaker 11: it without having to spend money there. Well wound up

671
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Speaker 11: being a good decision for another reason, right, you know,

672
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Speaker 11: So it's it's it's case by case. I kind of

673
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Speaker 11: like the idea of if you spend a lot of

674
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Speaker 11: money at that spot, don't spend a lot of the

675
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Speaker 11: court at the backup spot, right, you're kind of all in.

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Speaker 5: I get it. If there's an injury, it kills you.

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Speaker 11: But you know what, a lot of cases, when you

678
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Speaker 11: go back to your backup you're done anyway.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a great point though.

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Speaker 2: But that's a great point though, insterns how money impacts

681
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Speaker 2: how teams do it? Uh? Both, you guys, Why the

682
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Speaker 2: hell isn't Carson Wentz on somebody's roster.

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Speaker 5: I just mentioned that.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, who's been working with John Gruden by the way,

685
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Speaker 11: and Gruden trying to get him. Yeah, they've been working

686
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Speaker 11: for a couple of months now, which I thought would

687
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Speaker 11: help his case, and I thought it'd make him more

688
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Speaker 11: presentable to teams. But there's a little bit more to

689
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Speaker 11: Carson Wentz that just what kind of a football player

690
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Speaker 11: he is, right, there's been. He's been a lightning rod

691
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Speaker 11: in a lot of ways for a number of reasons,

692
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Speaker 11: and I think that that's a factor.

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Speaker 5: He can't ignore that right now, because.

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Speaker 11: You can't tell me he's not better than some of

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Speaker 11: the guys that are second or third sack quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Right now, the ones who just tried out in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly, right, I mean, he hasn't even gotten a workout,

698
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Speaker 11: if I'm not mistaken, right now, and he probably feels

699
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Speaker 11: like he's beyond workout kind of guy. Uh So, I'm

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Speaker 11: actually kind of surprised that he's still not in the

701
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Speaker 11: league right now, but he's coming in as the number two.

702
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Speaker 11: And again, it's that kind of situation where do you

703
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Speaker 11: really want that? And look, we get I'm reluctant to

704
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Speaker 11: go here. Oh, but this is the same stuff that

705
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Speaker 11: we've been saying about Colin Kaepernick in recent years. Now

706
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Speaker 11: it's a whole different thing. Okay, whole different reasons for

707
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Speaker 11: why you say, do we.

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Speaker 5: Want to bring in a guy?

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Speaker 11: But but it's a factor, There's no question about it.

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Speaker 11: It's about more than him as a football player right now,

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Speaker 11: Carson Wentz that is.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think that's really been a secret Mike

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Speaker 3: by any stretch of the imagination. The other quarterback that

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Speaker 3: I want to get in real quick or maybe not

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Speaker 3: real quick. We'll see how much time we have Kirk Cousins.

716
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Speaker 3: Everybody talks Mike about are the Viking sellers now are

717
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Speaker 3: they moving on from Kirk Cousins? What would be your

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Speaker 3: take right now? Would we see him after the trade deadline,

719
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Speaker 3: still in Minnesota.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's a strong possibility because it's so

721
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Speaker 11: hard to trade for a starting quarterback.

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Speaker 5: In the middle of a season.

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Speaker 11: He's got to now go in potentially learn a new offense.

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Speaker 11: You would think if you're going to make a trade,

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Speaker 11: it would be with a team with a similar system,

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Speaker 11: or maybe a coach he's w.

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Speaker 3: Or like a contender that has an injury to their

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Speaker 3: quarterback the season ending. That is a possibility.

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Speaker 5: It is a possibility.

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Speaker 11: You're taking on a lot of money, although maybe Minnesota

731
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Speaker 11: eats a bunch. They've already budgeted for it, for sure.

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Speaker 11: I think that would be the most likely way that

733
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Speaker 11: it would happen. But even regardless of the x's and

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Speaker 11: o's and all this stuff, he'd have to get acclimated

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Speaker 11: with the playbook.

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Speaker 5: He'd also have to get acclimated.

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Speaker 3: With the receivers.

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Speaker 11: I mean, we spend the months of April and May

739
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Speaker 11: and June talking about guys were wearing polos because a

740
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Speaker 11: lot of time it's hotter. Yeah, but we're talking about him,

741
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Speaker 11: you know, thrown with targets a lot of times, a

742
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Speaker 11: guy in a new spot because they want to get

743
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Speaker 11: that chemistry down.

744
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Speaker 5: They want to get that feel down.

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Speaker 11: Won't be able to do that in the middle of

746
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Speaker 11: the season, so that's why teams are reluctant to do it.

747
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Speaker 11: You very rarely see mid season moves for a quarterback.

748
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Speaker 11: Perhaps in this case, you got to look into the future.

749
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Speaker 11: And I don't know for sure if a team's going

750
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Speaker 11: to suffer a devastating quarterback injury in the next two weeks,

751
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Speaker 11: but that would certainly open up the possibility.

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Speaker 3: That's really the one that stands out to me, Steve, honestly,

753
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Speaker 3: if something like that happens, that that would be maybe

754
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Speaker 3: what happens. This is a roster, it's kind of in flux.

755
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Speaker 3: They're they're turning it over in a sense, and they

756
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: have obviously good pieces, but they obviously are are are

757
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: moving some things around. Mike and I are going to

758
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Speaker 3: watch this game later tonight, Thursday Night Football. We're here

759
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Speaker 3: on the sideline at Arrowhead. But coming up somebody who's

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Speaker 3: we love to talk to on sideline, Oh, Brian balder

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Speaker 3: Baldi's coming up with his Baldy's favorite films and man

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Speaker 3: a deal and a situation that the Hiladelphia Eagles had

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Speaker 3: for Aaron Donald's. How did they contain him? Oh, you

764
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Speaker 3: gotta see this. Welcome back to the NFL Report, James Palmer,

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Speaker 3: Steve Whitch with you and Steve? We know this is

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Speaker 3: my favorite segment. Wait, I'm on location. I don't have

767
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Speaker 3: my popcorn? Or do I have my popcorn? Jesus, I

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Speaker 3: appreciate it is Baldi's Baldy's favorite films. It is my

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Speaker 3: favorite segment every Thursday. Balldy, you know this and I

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Speaker 3: do have to get this out right away. Steve, you

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Speaker 3: weren't on last Thursday show. Jane was filling in for

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Speaker 3: you and we asked Baldy what his favorite movie is.

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Speaker 3: He said it's Jaws. Yes, well, I received a package

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Speaker 3: and I talked about this on Monday show. Baldy, our

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Speaker 3: good friend Scott Hansen sent me a styrofoam cup autographed

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Speaker 3: by Richard Dreyfus. You know what you know, the crush

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Speaker 3: and the cup?

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Speaker 7: Yes, how killer is that? That's That's that's pretty cool, right,

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Speaker 7: That's that's team work.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 7: Next Thursday like come together? Pretty good?

782
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Speaker 3: We should all at another time we all talk about

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Speaker 3: which character we are, which I know which one you are, Baldy.

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Speaker 3: So it's pretty simple. Okay, I think I'm Chief Broady.

785
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie ye, the softest of the three.

786
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the trenches here, Baldy. That's what you

787
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Speaker 3: love to talk about more than anything. And when you

788
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Speaker 3: break down film, I know, a good game plan, not

789
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 3: just good play, but a good scheme and a good

790
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 3: plan for a dominant player always is something we love

791
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Speaker 3: to see you break down. What did the Philadelphia Eagles

792
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Speaker 3: do to Aaron Donald? That was so in Steve's mind.

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Speaker 3: We've talked about this unique in its so.

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Speaker 7: James, I'll give you a quick backstory.

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Speaker 12: It's It's Wednesday morning, which is, you know, basic installation

796
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Speaker 12: day across the league, getting the game planned, and one

797
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Speaker 12: of the ego offensive linemen sent me a text at

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Speaker 12: like ten thirty in the morning and he goes, have

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Speaker 12: you watched Aaron Donald? He's ruining the Indianapolis coach offense.

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Speaker 12: I've never seen anything like it. And I go, well,

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Speaker 12: you know, I send him back a video that I

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Speaker 12: did of ad two days like on Monday, so like

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Speaker 12: we're in cahoots there, but they just started, like you

804
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 12: know Jacon Kelsey, you know Lane Johnson, you know this,

805
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Speaker 12: Jeff Stoutlin, the offensive line coach. They're sitting there looking

806
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 12: at this, going, we got to do something. And so

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00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 12: basically Kelsey like you look at this play right here,

808
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Speaker 12: like you'll never see this again. But Lane Johnson, you know,

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Speaker 12: Kelsey's supposed to come over. He gets caught up and

810
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Speaker 12: there's Aaron Donald on his twist done, and Lane.

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Speaker 7: Just like, well, I better stay on.

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Speaker 12: You know, Kelsey's not there, and he just ran Aaron

813
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Speaker 12: Donald all the way across the formation.

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Speaker 7: Now Lane is still.

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Speaker 12: You know, still has the record for dash of any

816
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Speaker 12: offensive lignment. But they literally doubled Aaron Donald in pass

817
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Speaker 12: protection every single way that he went through a peta

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Speaker 12: right here, like like this is ridiculous, you know, like

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Speaker 12: nobody could do this. You know I actually sent that

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Speaker 12: to Lane going and that heck did you so like

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Speaker 12: that was just an instinct.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that Lane took over in that play.

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Speaker 12: But they literally, you know, wherever wherever Aaron went, the

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Speaker 12: Eagles had two guys on no matter what happened and

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Speaker 12: what the protection was, they put you on Aaron Donald

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Speaker 12: the whole day, and he came you know, he really

827
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Speaker 12: never hit Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 7: You had very little impacts.

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Speaker 1: In the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bald, I mean Jason Kelsey told me after the

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Speaker 2: game I was there. He said that was a unique

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Speaker 2: protection scheme that they'd never done against any other player

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Speaker 2: and they will never do again, as.

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Speaker 1: Many great players as they are.

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Speaker 2: But you know who else, based on your film study,

836
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Speaker 2: you told us might need to start getting some extra attention.

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Speaker 2: And we know all the Jets have a ton of

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Speaker 2: great defensive players, but you said there's someone we're not

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Speaker 2: talking about who has been there m VP thus far

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Speaker 2: this season.

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Speaker 7: Oh it's Quincy Williams.

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Speaker 12: You know, the older brother of Clinton Williams, number fifty six.

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Speaker 12: He's the one that forced the fumble James you at

844
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Speaker 12: the end of the game last week, you know, out

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Speaker 12: of Russell Wilson's hands, and Rice all took it in

846
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Speaker 12: for the you know, the touchdown. But Quincy Williams, he

847
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Speaker 12: leaves his team in so old tackles right now. You

848
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Speaker 12: know he's the guy that they Okay, you want to

849
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Speaker 12: go cover the slot receiver, Quincy will cover the slot.

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Speaker 12: He's he's sidelined the sideline. I think he's their fastest

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Speaker 12: player at linebacker too.

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Speaker 7: Now. CJ.

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Speaker 12: Mosey is the perennial you know, Pro Bowl player, middle linebacker.

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Speaker 12: But I think Quincy Williams right now, his speed in

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Speaker 12: the way that they're using them like, he's a big

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Speaker 12: part of this defense right now and something that the Eagles.

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Speaker 7: Are going to have to factor in.

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Speaker 12: In fact, I can see Quincy spying on Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 12: at times this week because he's a guy that actually

860
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Speaker 12: can run stride for stride with Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of stick there because I know there's

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Speaker 3: a guy in that same similar spot in Zire Franklin

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Speaker 3: that that's really kind of at you as well.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 12: The irony here James is he's a Philadelphia kid, all right,

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Speaker 12: so you know, and he's proud of that too. He's

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Speaker 12: cheering the Phillies on right now. But Zion Franklin all like,

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Speaker 12: it's interesting. This is the guy that played every single

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Speaker 12: snap for the Colts last year, every game, every snap,

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Speaker 12: did miss one snap, let the team in tackles. He's

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Speaker 12: missed like two or three because of little Bruce Dee

872
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 12: in one game this year, but he leads the team

873
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 12: in tackles by a wide marching this year. And you know,

874
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 12: three weeks ago when they went to Baltimore. They upset

875
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 12: the Ravens in overtime. I saw him play James were

876
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 12: literally Lamar Jackson breaks the pocket and he's out running,

877
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 12: and I see Zaire Franklin chase him down. I'm seeing

878
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 12: chasing Lamar Jackson down in the open field, and I go,

879
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 12: not only can you instincts right now? Not only is

880
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 12: he the quarterback of the defense like, but he's got

881
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 12: elite skills as well.

882
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they just showed a tape of him spying

883
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts. I mean, that's not an easy thing to do.

884
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: Talk about Guy XI has been in the league for

885
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: a while and he's starting to really distinguish himself. So

886
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: is Nico Collins the wide receiver for the Houston Texans.

887
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: Why is he all of a sudden ascending the way

888
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: he is?

889
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 7: CJ Stroud?

890
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 12: I MEANJJ is lights out good. Even even in the

891
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 12: loss last week to Atlanta. CJ was great. But you

892
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 12: look at Nico. He comes out of Michigan, he's been

893
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 12: there in Houston for two years. He averaged thirteen yards

894
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 12: a catch right now, Steve, he leads the National Football

895
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 12: League in yards per catch at eighteen point seven yards

896
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 12: a catch on pace for well over one hundred catches.

897
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 7: That's that's the first touchdown of the year for CJ.

898
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 12: Stroud and the first of his three touchdowns already on

899
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 12: the season, but.

900
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 7: No yards after the catch. Big frame.

901
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 12: Nobody, I don't believe thought that Nico Collins was going

902
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 12: to be a number one receiver in any offense. But

903
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 12: when you get a quarterback that feeds them, that trusts him,

904
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 12: that believes in him, that takes the shots to him.

905
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 12: Right now, he stretches the field and all of a sudden,

906
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 12: it looked like he was the guys here that just

907
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 12: ran go routes on the outside. Now you can see

908
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 12: just from these highlights like he's running every route and

909
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 12: he's excellent after the catch.

910
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 3: I love that body. I remember last training camp, not

911
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 3: this one, the previous one, having a conversation with Andre

912
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 3: Johnson down in Houston, and Dre has been working with

913
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 3: him constantly on their own, just the two of them,

914
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: a great big body receiver down there in Houston right

915
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 3: all that time. And he always told me, like, there

916
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: is so much potential here, we just got to figure

917
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 3: it out. Maybe having the quarterback like you're mentioning, and CJ.

918
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: Stroud is a big part of figuring it out. But

919
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: they do have some positive thoughts and positive expectations for him.

920
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 3: Andre Johnson included down there in Houston, this last one

921
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: we have for your body. Steve and I were talking about,

922
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 3: We're fascinated. Why do you think there should be an

923
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: off season padded? What are you gonna call it camp

924
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: for offensive linemen every off season?

925
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 12: Well, what I mean, you just talked to Judy about

926
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 12: the New York Giants. They're non functionable right now. I

927
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 12: mean they have a center that can't play center, but

928
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 12: you know he's got to you know, he's got to

929
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 12: fill in, but he's not playing well.

930
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 7: They don't have any harmony upfront, but like I just see, you.

931
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 12: Know, once the starters start going down in some of

932
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 12: these organizations, they don't have any depth. And look, I

933
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 12: understand the rules and the need for rules and you know,

934
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 12: protection and and all that kind of stuff, but linemen

935
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 12: need work. The NFL game is completely different than the

936
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 12: college game. They don't run combo blocks, they don't run power,

937
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 12: they don't run a lot of the plays that they

938
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 12: run the NFL and the college game, and so.

939
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 7: Pad level is important.

940
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 12: Getting low, you know, you're watching the New England Patriots.

941
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 12: I mean, they can't run the ball right now. It's

942
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 12: the Bill Belichick team that can't run the ball. The

943
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 12: fundamentals are so poor right now. And if you get

944
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 12: past you're starting five and some teams are struggling to

945
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 12: get five good ones out there.

946
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 7: It really falls apart across the league.

947
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 12: And I just think you need to put the pads

948
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 12: on a month every off season, you know, maybe three

949
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 12: days a week for a couple of months. I can't

950
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 12: figure out the insurance, figure out the protection, you know,

951
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 12: if anybody does get hurt. But players lead, They need

952
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 12: to pop, They need to come off the ball. They

953
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 12: need to learn how to run, block, they need they

954
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 12: need to really develop their toolbox so that when they

955
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 12: get thrown into a game and they're going up against

956
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 12: an elite player, they just don't get embarrassed the way

957
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 12: we suit we see right now already week five in

958
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 12: this league.

959
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 2: Well you know, look, we know this isn't gonna happen

960
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: because the NFLPA they're gonna say that we can't have

961
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: the contact.

962
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: But you talk about the need for it.

963
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, all these offseason work, got the OTA's and all

964
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: that they're nothing but seven on seven skill drills for

965
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: the wide receivers and the dbs and the quarterbacks and

966
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: everything to get better. The offensive linemen are all clustered

967
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: just doing you know, flippers and handshield dummies because they

968
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: can't have the contact that they need.

969
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 12: And the other part, Steve is I would take the

970
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 12: assistant coaches that are trying to climb to assistant offensive

971
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 12: line coaches, entry level coaches. Let them coach the camp.

972
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 12: Let those guys work on their teaching technique, and I

973
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 12: think all together is only going to grow the game.

974
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 12: There's some look the Jeff Stoutlin's, the Bill Callahan's, there's

975
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 12: some offense line coaches that.

976
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 7: Know how to develop.

977
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 12: But when teams are caught up in coaching changes and

978
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 12: they're turning over the roster and coaches are turning like

979
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 12: you get caught up with you know, guys that don't

980
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 12: have experienced offense line coaches like Staltland has been there

981
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 12: eleven years in Philly. You know, Sue Pettick can go

982
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 12: into a game, he's been the system five years. He

983
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 12: knows what he's doing. Most teams don't have that luxury

984
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 12: right now.

985
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a tough thing, Baldy. We got a rock

986
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: and roll. We appreciate you man, just awesome stuff.

987
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 3: A game.

988
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: We'll see you next Thursday.

989
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: Jaype will have more popcorns, and Richard Dreyvis's autograph is

990
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: coming to you.

991
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 12: I want that autograph that I like him better.

992
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: Closing counters the third time too.

993
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 2: Sorry, We'll be back here on the NFL report closing

994
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 2: the closing block.

995
00:46:51,840 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: It's Joss, It's just come on hard.

996
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: You wrap things up here on the NFL or board.

997
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: I'm Steve White time in the LA Studios, and.

998
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: James Palmer is at Arrowhead in Kansas City.

999
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: So JP, we know Kansas City is known for its

1000
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: barbecue and it's wonderful people. So let's talk about our

1001
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: favorite NFL experiences, not necessarily stadiums or cities or whatever,

1002
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 2: but the experience when we get assigned to cover a game.

1003
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: Our favorite experiences. What's your number one spot?

1004
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 3: Number one? I'm going to Seattle. See I love it

1005
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: going up all the way into the Pacific Northwest. I'm

1006
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: going to Seattle because I love the town. I love

1007
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: the day before the game, I love walking around in

1008
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: that city. I love the food. Sushikishiba one of my

1009
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 3: favorite restaurants on the planets. It has the best press

1010
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: box view recommendation, some of the best press box food,

1011
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: some of the best press box food. And it's walkability.

1012
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,959
Speaker 3: I'm a big walkability guy. When I'm on the road.

1013
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: There you go, well, I'll talk about walkability. Mine's kind

1014
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: of a weave ability.

1015
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: New Orleans, bro New Orleans is the best, I said

1016
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: first all, I'm prejudiced. It's my favorite city in the world.

1017
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I love New Orleans. The people are just

1018
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 2: the greatest people you know in this country.

1019
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: I love New Orleans. The food is great.

1020
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 2: I mean, the stadium experience, sitting in the press box JP.

1021
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 2: You know, the air conditioners for the Supernomer up there.

1022
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: So it is art Dick. What are a couple other

1023
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: cities that you love going to the.

1024
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 3: Cover game, guys, this is also what happens pregame. The

1025
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 3: cheerleaders are working it out there in the middle of

1026
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 3: the field. So we're jamming out here at Arrowhead. But listen,

1027
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you right now, Steve two that jump

1028
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 3: out at me that privat those people won't think of

1029
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 3: one Cleveland. I love the location. Went to school in

1030
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 3: Ohio I do love how close that stadium is to

1031
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: the water. I love them restaurants. I'm gonna eatter. I'm

1032
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 3: not gonna lie. Also Baltimore, I love the inner Harbor.

1033
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 3: I love the press box. Maybe I'm just talking about

1034
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: press boxes because that's a lower press box. But I

1035
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 3: love those open stadiums like Baltimore, like Cleveland, like Philadelphia,

1036
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 3: those ones that are kind of just they give me

1037
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 3: a feel of football. I'm not gonna lie.

1038
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: I love the open stadiums before November because I'm soft.

1039
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: I've been acclimated to La now for twelve years. I

1040
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: cannot take the cold weather. But I'm with you on Cleveland.

1041
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: I absolutely love going to Cleveland. One of my favorite.

1042
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: Seattle's right there too. And here's another one.

1043
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: I know that.

1044
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 2: You ask any NFL reporter at this network where they love.

1045
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: Going to Detroit.

1046
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: We love going to the Motor City Detroit.

1047
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: The town is great, the people are great, the stadium

1048
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 2: experience is fantastic.

1049
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: So we got included.

1050
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 3: Met Kim Kardashian in Detroit. No big deal.

1051
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: What's that.

1052
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 3: I met Kim Kardashian doing a game in Detroit.

1053
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: Oh no, we's got seconds.

1054
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 2: You are not Oh no no no, no no no,

1055
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: we got thirty seconds.

1056
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 3: Bring on Monday. We'll open the store. Welcome the show

1057
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: with it on Monday. Watch the NFL report on Monday.

1058
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: More on the Kim Kardashian story. Seriously,