WEBVTT - The Rebel With A Cause: Rodney Wilkinson

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Dutton, Sarah Burnette, missus Ridiculous Crime.

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<v Speaker 3>It's miss sorry, I'm a modern woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Ridiculous Crime. Yeah, got a question for.

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<v Speaker 3>You, Yes, Captain Ridiculous Crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>I do big birthdays.

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<v Speaker 2>Big birthdays.

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<v Speaker 3>Big birthdays are ridiculous because it's funny. Like we've talked

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<v Speaker 3>before about that in this Ridiculous Crime universe. The difference

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<v Speaker 3>in how we celebrate birthdays, said your big birthday guy,

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<v Speaker 3>and I am. I've forgotten my own birthday on.

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<v Speaker 2>Multiple multiple.

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<v Speaker 3>However, I want to celebrate other people's birthdays. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I like to celebrate yours.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

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<v Speaker 3>I like to celebrate our founding fathers various birthdays.

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<v Speaker 2>It is true. Big holidays got the time off, so

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<v Speaker 2>why not.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I found out about a big birthday for a

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<v Speaker 3>friend of the show birthday, big birthday baby. A friend

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<v Speaker 3>of the show, you may remember her summer sent us

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<v Speaker 3>that or probably actually I should say, sent me the

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<v Speaker 3>black garlic dog. Yes, said the proper it was. It

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<v Speaker 3>was an interesting taste sensation, and I did kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like rubbing it on my teeth. And then showing you

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<v Speaker 3>you didn't like that. I liked it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Kaya Summer's sister. Let us know that on July twenty ninth,

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<v Speaker 3>Summer is turning thirty. What And I can't believe that. God,

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<v Speaker 3>Summer is like, Summer's a friend of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally happy birthday, Summer.

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<v Speaker 3>And I you know, for friends of the show, I

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<v Speaker 3>like to give them a big, rousing happy birthday. No,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I mean I do have the I have limits.

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<v Speaker 2>You saw my instinct. I'm like, we're doing a musical number.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think people need to know that. I've heard you.

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<v Speaker 3>You call people on their birthdays and you sing a

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<v Speaker 3>very robust and enthusiastic Frank Sinatra day.

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<v Speaker 2>Late Frank Late do be Dooby do exactly late, Strangers.

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<v Speaker 3>In the Night, and it's so loud. I've been in

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<v Speaker 3>the studio waiting for you, and I hear you down

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<v Speaker 3>in the hall. What the h double hockey sticks? So

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<v Speaker 3>Summer you are going to miss out on that. But

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to also, I want to thank you

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<v Speaker 3>once again for the garlic dip and wish you the

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<v Speaker 3>best thirtieth birthday around. Someday I'm going to turn thirty,

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<v Speaker 3>and I hope it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy birthday.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is ridiculous, ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what's else's ridiculous, Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll have to ask you a question. What's the

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<v Speaker 2>most ridiculous thing a person could blow up to advance

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<v Speaker 2>a political cause?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, don't answer that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just ask you a better question. How about a

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear reactor? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>I was going like farm antals.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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<v Speaker 2>and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent ridiculous. Oh, Elizabeth, Today I have the

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<v Speaker 2>story for you of a man who went to ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>lengths for a cause he believed in. And since I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want you to worry, I'll just tell you going

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<v Speaker 2>in our ninety nine percent murder free guarantees, still stands

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<v Speaker 2>no violations of the guarantee in this episode. Oh yes,

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<v Speaker 2>just tell you that right out the front.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, to set the stage, I'd like to quote the

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<v Speaker 2>timeless words of Pee Wee Herman. Yeah, I'm a loner,

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<v Speaker 2>Dottie Reberend.

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<v Speaker 3>You know I say that all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>For you specifically, this is a story of a loner,

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<v Speaker 2>a rebel, and I love him nice. But more than that,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the story of a dope, smoking, bike riding, commune

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<v Speaker 2>living hippie who tries to blow up a nuclear reactor

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<v Speaker 2>in order to free black South Africans from apartheid. So

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<v Speaker 2>obviously I double.

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<v Speaker 3>Love it is there it is. Oh my god, he

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<v Speaker 3>checks all your boxes.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. So Elizabeth, what do you know about

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<v Speaker 2>the South African nuclear energy program?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's really interesting because it started. Why are you

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<v Speaker 3>laughing at me?

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<v Speaker 2>I was just waiting at you know what?

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<v Speaker 3>Fine? Oh, I don't know. Zaren Man explained it to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it happens to have been in the news a

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<v Speaker 2>lot lately if you followed that sort of thing. On

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<v Speaker 2>July sixteenth of this very year, Elizabeth, the British tabloid

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<v Speaker 2>The Mirror reported that, and I quote, a South African

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear power plant suffered three incidents involving airborne radioactive contamination

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<v Speaker 2>after a loss of power. The three separate contamination events

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<v Speaker 2>took place inside the Coburg Power Station, the only nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>power station in Africa, on June thirtieth, July second, and

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<v Speaker 2>July seventh.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's exactly what I was about to tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>I figured, well, naturally, the words airborne radioactive contamination sound bad.

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<v Speaker 3>It does sound bad because they are bad. Yeah, they're bad.

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<v Speaker 2>They're bad business right now, as the Mirror further reported.

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<v Speaker 2>To help ameliorate any concern from the general public, and

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<v Speaker 2>I quote, South Africa's nuclear regulator said Thursday that no

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<v Speaker 2>radioactive material leaked into the environment on the three occasions

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<v Speaker 2>and it was all contained inside the station with no

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<v Speaker 2>danger to the public. So that's good. Yeah, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>need for anyone to take a karen silkwood shower woo. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the term you don't hear very often.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. A friend of mine was just recently saying that

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<v Speaker 3>he uses that reference a couple times a year and

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<v Speaker 3>people don't know what it is. Really was like, are

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<v Speaker 3>you kidding me, I'm always talking about silkwood showers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's where I pulled it from. I heard you

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<v Speaker 2>use it recently with one of the interns.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, the one there. I'm like, you smell. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna have to go give you a silkwood shower. No,

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<v Speaker 3>not a human in turn.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, back to South Africa Nuclear Energy program. In the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifties, South Africa sent young scientists to the United

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<v Speaker 2>States to study nuclear physics and nuclear energy. Two decades later,

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventies, that same generation of scientists now led

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa's pursuit of its own nuclear energy ambitions, which

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<v Speaker 2>included building a nuclear weapon.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the South African government, they promised that they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to build nuclear weapons for war. No, South Africa

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to build nuclear bombs that were to be used

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<v Speaker 2>in their mining operations. You know, all the diamond minds.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding me? That's a great way. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>perfect way to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you having troubled digging deeper open pits in the

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<v Speaker 2>earth to mine your diamonds? Have you considered a nuclear bomb?

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<v Speaker 3>That's so bizarre?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, obviously, I think that was just what they call

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<v Speaker 2>in the fiction telling business, a lie.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that's definitely, that's that's a lie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a copper story, right. So, the South

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<v Speaker 2>Africa government really wanted to build nuclear weapons to fend

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<v Speaker 2>off the Soviet Union and to scare them off from

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<v Speaker 2>further helping the black South Africans and the African National

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<v Speaker 2>Congress aka the ANC who were trying to overthrow apartheid

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa's.

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<v Speaker 3>Government Soviet support.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, yes, Zimbabwe did as well. Basically a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the they were moving down the continent and Soviets

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<v Speaker 2>were helping them. So there's a fight over Angola. Na,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a South Africa is encroaching, Zimbabwe is fighting. The

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<v Speaker 2>Cubans are getting involved in Angola. It was like a

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<v Speaker 2>wild business and it.

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<v Speaker 3>Hits the economic interests of Western Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh definitely, yeah, exactly. So now enter our crimer of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, Rodney Wilkinson.

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<v Speaker 3>Rodney.

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<v Speaker 2>Rodney's a curious chap Elizabeth, to say the least, like

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<v Speaker 2>homie was once the national fencing champion of South Africa. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but we were getting ahead of ourselves. As Rodney tells

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<v Speaker 2>his own life story and an interview with South Africahistory

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<v Speaker 2>dot Org and I quote so I was born in

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<v Speaker 2>forty nine in Parktown, North Joe burg. I was the

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<v Speaker 2>second son of four of us. My father was born

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<v Speaker 2>in Canada, also a soldier in the artillery in the

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<v Speaker 2>Second World War, and that influenced our childhood quite a

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<v Speaker 2>lot because we would go on holiday with his old

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<v Speaker 2>soldier friends so we learned to shoot at a tender

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<v Speaker 2>age and we learned to drive. Life in joe Burgh

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<v Speaker 2>for us was a typically white middle class Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 2>you notice I'm not doing any South African accent because

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<v Speaker 2>it's not what I can do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. That's a tough one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's very specific. Now back to Rodney. He

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<v Speaker 2>grows up in this apartheid South Africa. It's a middle

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<v Speaker 2>class existence. He's raised in a military family.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>However, things are far more complicated than that little thumbnail

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<v Speaker 2>sketch might suggest, because, for instance, his father was a Communist. Huh,

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<v Speaker 2>not when Rodney knew him as his father, but rather

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<v Speaker 2>back when his father was a college student. Except for

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<v Speaker 2>then of Stalin's whole wave of purges, the mass imprisonment,

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<v Speaker 2>the lives lost, his dad soured on Communism. However, he

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<v Speaker 2>still believed in looking out for others in community, so

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<v Speaker 2>he taught his children those same values. Anyway, Rodney gets

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<v Speaker 2>into fencing as a kid, and as he tells it,

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<v Speaker 2>I was nine when I got into fencing. A friend

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<v Speaker 2>of my brother had Austrian friends who were fencers, very good,

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<v Speaker 2>and my brother went along. And when I turned nine,

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<v Speaker 2>my mom said you go along two. They taught us

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<v Speaker 2>free on condition that we came twice a week. So

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<v Speaker 2>by the time I was sixteen, I was doing very well,

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<v Speaker 2>and by the time I was twenty three, I was winning.

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<v Speaker 2>And eventually I won all three weapons, almost second in Sable,

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<v Speaker 2>but top in Foyle and EPI so boom boom boom

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<v Speaker 2>National champion. Now as good as Rodney was with a

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<v Speaker 2>sword in his hand, he couldn't compete at the Olympics

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<v Speaker 2>because he's South African and at the time, the apartheid

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<v Speaker 2>state was banned from international competitions. Yeah right, and so

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<v Speaker 2>Rodney eventually he follows his father in a military service,

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<v Speaker 2>but he has a hard time in the army because

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<v Speaker 2>he supports the anti war movement and the hippies in

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<v Speaker 2>the US and abroad, and this friction compels Rodney to

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<v Speaker 2>go a wall. Yeah, but then he gets lured back

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<v Speaker 2>to the military because the military locates him and they

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<v Speaker 2>threatened him to prison unless he rejoins his division, which

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<v Speaker 2>eventually does. Anyway, one night, Rodney and his mates in

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<v Speaker 2>the army they steal a Mercedes Benz troop carrier and

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<v Speaker 2>he takes it on a beer run, after which they

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<v Speaker 2>all you know, turn up drunk at the airport and

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<v Speaker 2>they're all headed home except for Rodney. He's not flying out,

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<v Speaker 2>so he decides, I'm just going to keep the military

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<v Speaker 2>personnel carrier and go a wall again. Why not? A right? So,

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<v Speaker 2>as Rodney tells it, I decided to take the truck

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<v Speaker 2>and drive it till it ran out of fuel and

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<v Speaker 2>then hitchhike.

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<v Speaker 3>That.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that, right, simple plan. Not many were moving parts.

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<v Speaker 3>Till the wheels come off, Just do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, I mean it's a solid plan in theory.

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<v Speaker 2>But then again, driving drunk alone in the bush in

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<v Speaker 2>the dark of night, but you can probably see where

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<v Speaker 2>this is going. Rodney gets tired. Eventually he falls asleep

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<v Speaker 2>driving and boom, he wrecks. Back to Rodney's account, as

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<v Speaker 2>I drove about midnight, I fell asleep at the wheel

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<v Speaker 2>and turned this thing over right upside down, head over

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<v Speaker 2>heels over a culvert. I injured myself severely. I had

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<v Speaker 2>a hole in my forehead about an inch deep.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's an injury.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that seemed your brain that's a big yeah. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually way worse than it sounds. Rodney recalls, I

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<v Speaker 2>broke my skull and I was pinned underneath the vehicle

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<v Speaker 2>upside down, with the steering wheel in my chest and

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<v Speaker 2>feet up in the pedal well, hot oils pouring out

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<v Speaker 2>of the engine onto me. Yeah. So he's stuck there

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<v Speaker 2>alone with his heavy ass military truck on top of him,

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<v Speaker 2>leaking hot oil onto him, and Rodney has to do

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<v Speaker 2>what he has to do. He has to rescue himself,

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<v Speaker 2>which he does as he remembered it. Quote, he managed

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<v Speaker 2>to wear the ground away with my shoulders and got

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<v Speaker 2>out before it possibly exploded and didn't explode. I walked

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<v Speaker 2>till dawn and found a farmhouse. So imagine you're this

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<v Speaker 2>farmer in the middle of nowhere and the skinny army

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<v Speaker 2>kid comes to your door at the crack of dawn

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<v Speaker 2>and he's in bad shape, like he's got motor oil

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<v Speaker 2>sticking to burnt skin. Yeah, and he's like, use your phone. So,

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<v Speaker 2>as Rodney tells it, I was covered in blood. The

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<v Speaker 2>farmer called the cops and made me sit outside until

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<v Speaker 2>they arrived. He gave me coffee. We were not the first,

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<v Speaker 2>judging by the reaction of the farmer. It happened before,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was hundreds of kilometers south of the action. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>when Rodney says action, he means the illegal invasion of

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<v Speaker 2>neighboring Angola by the South African Army, because this accident

0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.839
<v Speaker 2>was bad news because if Prescott wind of it, it

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<v Speaker 2>would have been evidence of South Africa's illegal military recursion. Okay, okay, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So the army they make Rodney promise he won't talk

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<v Speaker 2>to the press, and then they make him sign a

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<v Speaker 2>document that says he won't sue the army for his injuries,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they basically release him. So around this time,

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<v Speaker 2>Rodney leaves the Army. He goes to live in Cape Town.

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<v Speaker 2>He becomes a fencing instructor. This is also where he

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<v Speaker 2>meets a guy who tells him about this hippie commune.

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<v Speaker 2>So then Rodney jumps at the idea of living there.

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<v Speaker 2>And while he's living there, one of his fencing students

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<v Speaker 2>tells him about a new opportunity Rodney might also be

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<v Speaker 2>down to do. And as Rodney tells it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>quote one of my fencing pupils, Dennis Penaluna, and a

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<v Speaker 2>pub claimed to be a communist, and he thought that

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<v Speaker 2>the way to provoke the revolution was to behave like

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<v Speaker 2>the oppressor and suggested I contact his friend who was

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<v Speaker 2>an in engineer at Cobourg for a job.

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<v Speaker 3>I love all these commies and defensing right is that.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, you should get a job at the nuclear facility.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I'm going to be late to practice

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday. So when he's in college, Rodney had studied engineering,

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<v Speaker 2>so he was qualified to be a draftsman on this

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<v Speaker 2>construction crew. And lo and behold, I got the job.

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<v Speaker 2>So this sets up his next adventure as an undercover

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<v Speaker 2>revolutionary in a nuclear power plant.

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<v Speaker 3>That's safe, right, super safe?

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<v Speaker 2>So for now, elizabethill, let's take a break and after

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<v Speaker 2>these messages, we joined the revolution.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh and we're back, Elizabeth, Yes we are.

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<v Speaker 2>You're ready to join the revolution? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, good? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Where were we? That's right. It's the late nineteen seventies

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<v Speaker 2>and my man Rodney Wilkinson is living on a commune

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<v Speaker 2>while working at a nuclear power plant, about to become

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<v Speaker 2>an undercover operative for the anti apartheid resistance.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, he's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, late nineteen seventies. Buttons, if he was like

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<v Speaker 2>saving whales, I think he would cover the mall.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh he would, but instead he's on God did he

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<v Speaker 3>wear his little Beekeeper outfit.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that would be awesome. Like at work skin Tech.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a match at nine tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>So I got to I gotta stay ready, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>The Cobourg Nuclear Power Station is located about nineteen miles

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<v Speaker 2>north of Cape Town. At the time, it was not

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<v Speaker 2>yet operational. It was under construction and it was scheduled

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<v Speaker 2>to come online soon. Right. So, as a guardian described it, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>Coburg was the crown jewel of the apartheid state's energy program.

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<v Speaker 2>Proof of civilization, symbol of technological superiority, monument to permanence

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<v Speaker 2>in a state built on forced labor. Yeah, and thus

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<v Speaker 2>it was also a prize target for the rebels who

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<v Speaker 2>opposed apartheid rule.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and I questioned any monument to permanence?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, that does he hear God laughing? Now?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to Rodney. While living at the hippie commune, Rodney,

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<v Speaker 2>who was about twenty nine years old at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>he falls for this young woman named Heather Gray. As

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<v Speaker 2>they say, they fall in love. They begin spending all

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<v Speaker 2>their time together. Their hobbies included organic farming, fencing, dope smoking,

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<v Speaker 2>and plotting the downfall of the apartheid government.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a cute. That's a meat cute, right, that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally you can see the potential. I can see the

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<v Speaker 2>poster for the rom com.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 2>So after Rodney gets a job at the Coburg Nuclear plant,

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<v Speaker 2>he works there for eighteen months and his girlfriend Heather

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<v Speaker 2>suggests that since he's a draftsman for the construction, he should,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, steal the blueprints or like maybe like a

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<v Speaker 2>wiring schematic and then you know, they could use those.

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<v Speaker 3>It'd be amazing, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Rodney does exactly that.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>And as he tells it, there was this really fat

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<v Speaker 2>catalog book that identified all the rooms of the nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>power plant, all the wiring and the conduits. So he

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<v Speaker 2>steals that. At first he actually has a guy copy it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he takes that right.

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<v Speaker 3>But like that's the thing, like could you copy this

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<v Speaker 3>for me? He's why you don't ask questions. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>little above your pay grade, dude, make the copy, basically

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<v Speaker 3>what he does, and then he has it like tucked

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<v Speaker 3>under his shirt and he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Acting doing like the Napoleon pose with his hands in

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<v Speaker 2>his shirt. So at this point he and Heather they

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<v Speaker 2>sneak into Zimbabwe and they try to smuggle these plants

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<v Speaker 2>to a n C operatives that they know, and their

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<v Speaker 2>arrival of course catches the attention of a zimbabwe And spy.

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<v Speaker 2>So this guy, Jeremy Brickhill, he was a fellow white rebel.

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<v Speaker 2>He was also working against the apartheid South African governments.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Brickhill he had deserted from the Rhodesian Army to

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<v Speaker 2>enlist with the Gorilla Zimbabwean Army. So he becomes then

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<v Speaker 2>the director of ZEBRA, which is like the armed wing

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<v Speaker 2>of the Zimbabwean Liberation Army. So he becomes like a

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<v Speaker 2>high muckety mucky in the rebel army. And so as

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<v Speaker 2>he's essentially the spy master, right, So as the spy master,

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<v Speaker 2>Brickhill has this network of spies working for him. One

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<v Speaker 2>of his mini spies tells him about this hippie couple

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<v Speaker 2>who've just shown up in Zimbabwe and they claim they

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<v Speaker 2>have blueprints for South Africa's new nuclear power plant and

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<v Speaker 2>they want to hand them over to the A and C.

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<v Speaker 2>Brick Hill says, I want to meet these hippies for myself,

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<v Speaker 2>right exactly, No this point, it's early on in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty one in brick Hill. He gets invited to a

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<v Speaker 2>party at the home where one of his spies is

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<v Speaker 2>hosting Rodney and Heather. They're staying with the spy. He

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<v Speaker 2>pretends to be just another party guest, so the clock

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<v Speaker 2>keeps going. The parties to rocking, and they run out

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<v Speaker 2>of beer, right, so brick Hill suggests, let's make a

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<v Speaker 2>beer run and he asks Rodney to drive you and

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<v Speaker 2>me brother. Now, once they're out on the road alone

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<v Speaker 2>in the bush in the dark, brick Hill confesses that

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<v Speaker 2>he is an officer of the Zimbabwe and Liberation Forces.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows about the blueprints for the South African nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>power plan, and he wants to know who the hell

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<v Speaker 2>Rodney is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So keep in mind Rodney has been partying, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's drunk. He now has a spy master a grilling him,

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<v Speaker 2>and when brick Hill starts questioning him, Rodney wrongly assumes

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<v Speaker 2>that the spy master is accusing him of being a

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<v Speaker 2>spy for South Africa, which he may or may not,

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, he's probably thinking, are you trying to set

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<v Speaker 3>us up with this?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Exactly so, because it's just the story is too

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<v Speaker 2>good to be true. He's also former military for South Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>You know he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Right there. I wouldn't trust it him thinking he's put

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<v Speaker 3>wrong information in this book to set us up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good read.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't trust anyone, Sarin.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you and I both say that all the time

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<v Speaker 2>for each other.

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<v Speaker 3>True.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't even trust her anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>I say it all the time because it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, at this point Rodney, he gets pissed. He says

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<v Speaker 2>he's no spy for those apartheid pigs, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>steers the car off the bush road and he aims

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<v Speaker 2>the car to tree and he shouts, you don't believe me,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna kill us both.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, I have been in a gnarly accident and

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<v Speaker 3>I lived. I'll try try it again. I'll do anything

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<v Speaker 3>twice roll them.

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<v Speaker 2>So, of course Rodney doesn't really want to kill them both,

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<v Speaker 2>so eventually slams on the brakes and the cars like

0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.480
<v Speaker 2>screeches to a halt and it stops just short of

0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.120
<v Speaker 2>the tree. Like Rodney you.

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<v Speaker 3>Wild, wow his city. The hole in his head was

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<v Speaker 3>a buzzy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, getting the field.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted a friend, so.

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<v Speaker 2>The spymaster Brickhill. He recalled that moment for the Guardian

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, I kind of broke the ice. I

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<v Speaker 2>said something like, welcome to the struggle, comrade. Now let's

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<v Speaker 2>just go and buy a beer.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great icebreaker. Next time I met like some

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<v Speaker 3>sort of like conference meeting, like let's do an icebreak,

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<v Speaker 3>and like, everybody, get in the car.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't believe me, I'm gonna kill us all. Come.

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<v Speaker 2>So Rodney's willingness to die and take Brickhill with him

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<v Speaker 2>proves himself that it convinces brick Hill that Rodney is

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<v Speaker 2>indeed down for the cause. Yeah, so brick Hill tells

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<v Speaker 2>the Guardian later on years later, he was obviously crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was also genuine. So now Rodney is officially

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<v Speaker 2>a rebel spy. And although Rodney has previously been in,

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<v Speaker 2>as they said, the South African Army, he still needs

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<v Speaker 2>raining as a guerrilla fighter. So brick Hill has him

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<v Speaker 2>and had there both go through months of training and

0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:10.120
<v Speaker 2>spycraft and basic gorilla tactics, and they both learn about

0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.760
<v Speaker 2>secret communication and how to resist interrogation, how to perform

0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.800
<v Speaker 2>like counter surveillance, how to escape and evade, all the

0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:20.119
<v Speaker 2>stuff you'd imagine, just total spy school, and if necessary,

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<v Speaker 2>how to.

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<v Speaker 3>Kill okay during these.

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<v Speaker 2>About that, so brick Hill he earns Rodney's trust also

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<v Speaker 2>during the same time, such that Rodney eventually hands over

0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:35.000
<v Speaker 2>the soul and blueprints because so far they've only said

0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.080
<v Speaker 2>we have so he now hands them over and then

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't hear anything back from brick Hill for months.

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<v Speaker 2>He always get what they want, then get their fingers

0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:50.000
<v Speaker 2>on them blueprints. As Rodney tells it, he disappeared with

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<v Speaker 2>it for about four months, and then the startup date

0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.760
<v Speaker 2>for Coburg was getting closer, and I thought, at least

0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.280
<v Speaker 2>they'd speak to me if something was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So I raised the alarm with Jeremy to say, if

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna do something has to happen now, because that

0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:05.960
<v Speaker 2>startup date was I think in like October of eighty two.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, let me know if you're going to do something,

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<v Speaker 3>so I call in right get out of here now.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason why Jeremy Brickhill had gone radio silent was

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<v Speaker 2>he'd sent the blueprints to the Soviets to confirm they

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<v Speaker 2>were ruined dear gun, and then they had the East

0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:23.479
<v Speaker 2>German nuclear scientists to corroborate, which they do, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviets confirmed, Okay, the plans are legit. After that,

0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:29.240
<v Speaker 2>the A and C rebels decide, okay, we can fully

0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:33.440
<v Speaker 2>trust this bike ridingp smoking, commune twelling, white hippie kid

0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:36.080
<v Speaker 2>who teaches fencing with all of our rebel you know,

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.520
<v Speaker 2>plants and leaders, because like he could be the risk

0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.879
<v Speaker 2>that breaks down the whole thing. Right, So they tell Rodney, okay,

0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:43.400
<v Speaker 2>you're our new undercover operative.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and you know, they're not just like shipping this

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<v Speaker 3>DHL putting it right. So they've got like Alexi, like

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<v Speaker 3>in a fur hat, who's taking it from one place

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<v Speaker 3>to the next.

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<v Speaker 2>You follow these blueprints, you can get a huge network

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<v Speaker 2>of you follow.

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<v Speaker 3>The blueprints on the map, and it looks like the

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<v Speaker 3>Lost Artanes probably more like family circus. Yes, And that

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<v Speaker 3>kid goes all, yeah, that's why, that's what's going on

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<v Speaker 3>in my head.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. It's perfect. So once the the ANC

0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:16.879
<v Speaker 2>rebels tell Rodney he's going to be their man, they

0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:18.679
<v Speaker 2>also tell him he's going to be the one to

0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:22.040
<v Speaker 2>carry out the planned attack. Oh yeah, Roddy didn't expect that.

0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:23.800
<v Speaker 2>He's like, here's the plan. Do you guys tell me

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<v Speaker 2>when not to show up to work? They're like, no,

0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:26.879
<v Speaker 2>we got you one better. Brother.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my least favorite thing is because like I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if you know this, but I'm kind of an

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<v Speaker 3>idea factory. Yes, you are really good at coming up

0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.320
<v Speaker 3>with ideas, but I'm really good at coming up with

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<v Speaker 3>ideas that other people.

0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Should I should have to complete.

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<v Speaker 3>And I hate when I come up with a brilliant

0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.360
<v Speaker 3>idea and then it's like, go ahead and do it, Elizabeth.

0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:44.960
<v Speaker 2>No completion.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's not ww it works. I am the oracle

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<v Speaker 3>on the top of the hill you listen me to.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, that's I feel him, I relate. I'm figuring

0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:59.280
<v Speaker 3>this is a very relatable connect with fencing exactly, driving

0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:01.280
<v Speaker 3>cars into ditches, you.

0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Know, threatening Zimbabwe and spy master, I'm gonna take you

0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.560
<v Speaker 2>with me. So at this point, Rodney's super reluctant to

0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.440
<v Speaker 2>blow up a nuclear power plant and all by himself

0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:15.800
<v Speaker 2>as his first mission as a spy. But Rodney eventually agrees.

0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:17.160
<v Speaker 2>He's like, you know what I thought about it, I'm

0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.680
<v Speaker 2>going to do it. Has taught me how to focus

0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:22.440
<v Speaker 2>and to react, That's really what he says. He's like, oh,

0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:26.359
<v Speaker 2>fencing taught me how to handle this. Moment. So next day, okay,

0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:28.560
<v Speaker 2>time for you to meet your handler. So in August

0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.359
<v Speaker 2>of eighty one, the spy Master Brickell invites Rodney to

0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:34.320
<v Speaker 2>swing by his house and that's where he meets Mac Maharaj.

0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.879
<v Speaker 2>Now Mac is this veteran undercover operative. He would be like,

0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:40.359
<v Speaker 2>when they make the movie of this great part, you

0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:42.320
<v Speaker 2>know you could get an oscar, right, Oh, I.

0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:45.399
<v Speaker 3>Look forward to your casting. At the end of this conversation,

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:47.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh I wish, oh see, maybe I can come up

0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:48.200
<v Speaker 3>with something.

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<v Speaker 2>So Mike Maharaj, he's a brit and he'd been born

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:54.000
<v Speaker 2>in Newcastle. His parents were both Indian, and Mack had

0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:57.119
<v Speaker 2>joined up with the anti apartheid rebels way back in

0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:00.600
<v Speaker 2>the early sixties. He gets subsequently arrested and sixty four

0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:03.640
<v Speaker 2>for sabotage. He ends up doing a twelve year sentence

0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:06.480
<v Speaker 2>on Robin Island, oh, which, as you know, the infamous

0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:09.960
<v Speaker 2>South African prison where Nelson Mandela is locked out. So Mac,

0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:12.840
<v Speaker 2>he's deep in the game. Like, in fact, he's deeper

0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:16.479
<v Speaker 2>than deep because when Mac Maharaj gets released from Robin Island,

0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:20.280
<v Speaker 2>he's the man who sneaks out Nelson Mandela's autobiography that

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:24.359
<v Speaker 2>he's secretly written in prison, like super tiny script hidden

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.440
<v Speaker 2>into like books and spines of stuff. Yeah. So Mac

0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:30.200
<v Speaker 2>is deeply committed to the struggle. Yeah, and he's proven

0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:32.760
<v Speaker 2>it right, like I mean veteran and so he's trusted

0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:35.720
<v Speaker 2>by the utmost authority in the ANC, Nelson Mandela. And

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:39.480
<v Speaker 2>naturally Mac also harbors his own suspicions about this white

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:42.160
<v Speaker 2>hippie kid with the stolen nuclear secret. So it also

0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:44.639
<v Speaker 2>seems too good to be true. So the kid also

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:47.080
<v Speaker 2>he's former South African military. This really sticks in the

0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:50.479
<v Speaker 2>car at he teaches fencing for a living. Who teaches

0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 2>fencing for a living?

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:52.640
<v Speaker 3>A good question?

0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.440
<v Speaker 2>So Mac he started, He's like, only vet this Rodney.

0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.760
<v Speaker 2>So he asked Rodney about the scar on his forehead.

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:01.800
<v Speaker 2>He's like, deep scar, you got go on, what's up

0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:02.120
<v Speaker 2>with that?

0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:02.720
<v Speaker 5>Is?

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Rodney tells him about the military vehicle that nearly killed him,

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.679
<v Speaker 2>and then Rodney's whole story of surviving his own stupidity

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 2>and then also crawling out from under the truck with

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:15.040
<v Speaker 2>the burning oil. It impresses Macmaharaj. He's like, that's some

0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 2>rebel action right there. Or, as Mack later told The Guardian,

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.760
<v Speaker 2>all that background suggested that there was a person from

0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:25.560
<v Speaker 2>a privileged community, but quite a person to do things

0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 2>his own way, not to be bound by rules created

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:35.040
<v Speaker 2>by the system. Right. So Mac also ascertains that Rodney

0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:38.480
<v Speaker 2>is the perfect undercover operative. As Mac puts it, he

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 2>was a daggas smoke, a hippie, a commune living guy.

0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:44.919
<v Speaker 2>And I can see he is one loose cannon. But

0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:48.120
<v Speaker 2>this is the guy. He has left no trail, he's

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:51.359
<v Speaker 2>got no political background, so you can send him back.

0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 3>That's a good point.

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. By the way, Elizabeth, there's two things in there

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 2>that I loved. One Dagga is a South African slang

0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:01.199
<v Speaker 2>for pot. That, yeah, I love. I love learning new

0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:04.320
<v Speaker 2>terms for drugs. And then also he's one loose cannon.

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:08.840
<v Speaker 3>That's also this guy is like not only his handler,

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:11.159
<v Speaker 3>but he's like the serge in the station.

0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the police captain, bagine your gun.

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 3>You're you're a real cowboy.

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 2>So at this point Mac he's an astute judge of character,

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 2>and Mac concludes that Heather Gray, the girlfriend, will be

0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:31.760
<v Speaker 2>integral to this secret operation. She'd already been deeply involved

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.639
<v Speaker 2>in the anti Vietnam War movement. She'd taken part in

0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:37.399
<v Speaker 2>the sixty eight student revolts back in the UK, and

0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 2>her commitment to the anti apartheid movement came first before his,

0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:44.359
<v Speaker 2>and it seemed far more unwavering, even though she's not

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 2>steering cars into trees like she's a Really.

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 3>That wasn't in pursuit of a cause, No, no nerve foolishness.

0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:55.960
<v Speaker 2>So macmrage also senses that out of the two of them,

0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Heather is definitely going to be the stronger operative as

0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:01.159
<v Speaker 2>a spy and working to together. Though they would be

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.480
<v Speaker 2>the perfect team for this operation, however, they still plan

0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:06.919
<v Speaker 2>to have it be Rodney who alone will plant the

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 2>bombs that they all hope will blow up the nuclear

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 2>power plant. Yeah, Elizabeth, you may be thinking, why does

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:15.360
<v Speaker 2>the ANC trust Rodney with this really high stakes operation?

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 3>I am thinking I'm wondering that, right, It's a great question.

0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The reason why the rebels decide to not only

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:24.680
<v Speaker 2>trust Rodney to carry off this important mission, but they

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 2>think he has a better chance of success than any

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 2>of their team of trained rebels for one simple reason.

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:31.879
<v Speaker 2>Rodney is white.

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:34.040
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, that's I think no one will.

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Watch him suspiciously.

0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, No, he gets away with whatever.

0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:39.680
<v Speaker 2>As the Guardian summarized it, and I quote the value

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 2>of an operative who could re enter the plant with

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 2>a face that looked like it belonged there was greater

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:47.560
<v Speaker 2>than any unit cutting through a fence from outside. Why

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:49.959
<v Speaker 2>send a unit when you already had a ghost?

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:51.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, Yeah, So.

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 2>After they spend eighteen months in Zimbabwe learning to be

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:58.440
<v Speaker 2>rebels and saboteurs and going through spy training while pretending

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 2>that they're basically like on a holiday, like enjoying safaris

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 2>and whatnot, Rodney and had their return to South Africa.

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Now they're ready to carry out their secret mission. And

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:10.679
<v Speaker 2>now we should also kind of bring up any moral

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:13.439
<v Speaker 2>question raised by what they plan to do, Like they

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 2>plan to blow up a nuclear facility. Sure, is that

0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:18.560
<v Speaker 2>really the right thing to do? Is that putting people

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 2>at health risk?

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 3>And you know, I yeah, I'm really struck as you're

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 3>telling the story about these are people who could just

0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:30.360
<v Speaker 3>go and live their lives and have privilege, you know, yeah,

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 3>they're middle class, they wouldn't have to yeah, doing whatever

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 3>they want, and they could teach fencing anywhere. And you

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 3>see these people that have a conviction so strong for

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 3>the welfare and the liberation of other.

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Others not themselves.

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 3>That's really incredible, you know, so that you have high

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 3>high stakes for this, but they're more concerned with ending

0:28:56.160 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 3>exploitation of people and resources and they can't just id

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:03.560
<v Speaker 3>lee by. And I applaud that because I think most

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 3>of us, you know, we can complain about things, and

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 3>we can say things are terrible, but how.

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>Many of us are willing to go blow up a

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 2>new lie when it comes.

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 3>Down to it. Yeah, you're gonna do it. And like,

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, and I think too that you know, I

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.320
<v Speaker 3>don't want anyone to be killed or suffered.

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 2>No, no, obviously.

0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 3>But you know, things are different in certain situations.

0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 2>In wartime, you raise interest, it raises different questions than

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 2>it really does Monday to Sunday lifetime.

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 3>It really does.

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.080
<v Speaker 2>As Rodney he recalled in an interview his interview with

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 2>South Africanhistory dot org about like these moral questions, and

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 2>he said, worried me was Heather and I getting caught,

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.680
<v Speaker 2>of course killing people by accident. We tried not to

0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:44.560
<v Speaker 2>kill anybody. Civilians shouldn't die. They are not the military

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 2>or police. But this had been thoroughly discussed with the ANC.

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 2>So they're like, look, I'm a rebel dotty, I gotta

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:50.960
<v Speaker 2>go through with you.

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:51.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So Rodney and the rebels from the ANC, they

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 2>don't want there to be any possible nuclear disaster once

0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 2>they hit the power plant, and they don't want victims

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 2>of their violence, which means they can't hit the facility

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 2>once the nuclear fuel rods are in place.

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing.

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very tight timeline of when they can blow up

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 2>the Coburg nuclear facility. And at this point Rodney's given

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 2>a new handler, a man who will guide him through

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 2>these final key steps of their plan sabotage. His handler

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 2>is a young Muslim man from an Indian township just

0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>outside of Johannesburg or joe Burg. The twenty seven year

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 2>old science graduate's name is Abu Bakar Ishmael and his

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 2>code name is Rashid'll be calling him Rashid. The Guardian

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 2>described him as quiet, methodical and obsessive about detail. So

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 2>what Rodney recalls of his new handler was quote, Rashid

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 2>was different from Mac, much more cautious and not so bubbly.

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 2>But he helped a hell of a lot. The job

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:44.920
<v Speaker 2>couldn't have happened without him.

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 3>Don't think you really want bubbly at that stage, right want,

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:53.880
<v Speaker 3>I want steely, meticulous focus.

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Fifteen minutes of how have you been in the.

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 3>Beginning like getting distracted and telling silly stories.

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:05.480
<v Speaker 2>So ristied, he helped Rodney with the intangibles of their operation.

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 2>As Rodney tells it, we started off with the security issues,

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>the moral issues, and the need for a legend, a cover,

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 2>going through extensively how to relate with family and friends.

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 2>First of all, excuses of why we were going back

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 2>to South Africa. I use the excuse that I couldn't

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 2>pay maintenance for my daughter with Zimbabwean currency. There was

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 2>a clampdown on exporting of currency which convinced most people.

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 2>So they use the instability of Zimbabwean money as their

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.480
<v Speaker 2>cover for all their strange trips and back and forth

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 2>over the border. In June of eighty two, Rodney goes

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>back to South Africa and he waits for the right

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 2>moment to now sabotage of the nuclear power plant that

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 2>he's gone back to working for. Yeah, importantly, he goes

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 2>back to the power plant on the six month contract,

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 2>so he has an end date that he has to

0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 2>also get all this done by because he's also going

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 2>to be part of this manic rush to finish construction,

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:56.960
<v Speaker 2>so there's gonna be all this buzzing about, so he'll

0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:59.240
<v Speaker 2>be very trusted as well. So he really should work

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 2>as long as they hit the timelines. Yeah, So the

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:03.719
<v Speaker 2>South African government they need all the help they can

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 2>get to finish their timeline because the power plan is

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 2>being hyped in the local news. They're all excited about

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 2>international news. It's gonna be the first in Africa, and

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 2>so hitting the construction deadline is now like a point

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 2>of pride and also propaganda. Meanwhile, Rodney he updates his

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 2>handler Rashid on the nuclear power plants progress and the

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 2>success of his cover story. As Rodney tells it, by

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 2>the middle of June eighty two, I was back in

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Cape Town the second meeting with Rashid the first weekend

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 2>in July. I reported that I was due to start

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:35.480
<v Speaker 2>work at Coburg and that so far the legend and

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 2>cover we had discussed at the previous meeting was holding up.

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 2>So he's getting good at the spycraft.

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 2>For the next few months, Rodney, Heather and Rashid they

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 2>continue playing their little cloak and dagger games, and as

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 2>they work in preparation for this ultra top secret spy

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 2>guy operation, Rodney would typically meet or contact Rashid while

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 2>he's in Mozambique and outside of the surveillance of the

0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:00.600
<v Speaker 2>South African spies. Now, as The Guardian reported, when he

0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 2>needed to reach Rashid and Mozambique, he sent a telegram

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 2>disguised as a horse racing bet. They had assigned numbers

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>to each location inside the plant, so a message about

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>backing number three was really a message about a reactor.

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 2>They went through everything, targets, escape routes. How Wilkinson and

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Gray were holding up under the strain.

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 3>Huh.

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Now when he says strain, Rodney was going through it

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 2>as a spy and saboteur. Yeah, Rodney tells the Guardy.

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:28.719
<v Speaker 2>And he was like usually pretty much just terrified, And

0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 2>he said often I had serious doubts and a paralyzing

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 2>weakness and fear. I started to hallucinate, almost suspecting I

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 2>was being followed. So as this deadline's drawing nearer and near,

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 2>this team of amateur saboteurs, they're prepping their final plans.

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 2>It's November of eighty two. They meet with Rashid for

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 2>the final time. He gives them a map that shows

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 2>where his men have hidden four limpet minds given to

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the anc rebels by the Soviet Union, and Rodney reads

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 2>the map, he memorizes it and then he eats the map.

0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh talking real spy, Yeah, seriously.

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Once they believe they aren't being followed, he and Heather

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 2>they drive out into the desert. They retrieve the four mines.

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 2>They use the memorized map they easily locate them. Then

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 2>they secret them away in like these wine boxes they

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 2>have in the back of their car, and they figure

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 2>no one's going to look under the wine and it works.

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:16.400
<v Speaker 2>They make it back home at the police searching or

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:20.359
<v Speaker 2>finding any minds. Once home, they assemble the mines and

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 2>they bury them then on a beach just south of

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:25.400
<v Speaker 2>the Cobourg Nuclear power plant where they can easily get

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:27.319
<v Speaker 2>to them, and then they wait for the fateful day

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 2>to come. At this point, anxiously waiting, Heather secretly reaches

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 2>out to Jeremy Brickhill, the zimbabwe And spymaster. She uses,

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 2>like all their spy training to contact them. She tells

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 2>him she's worried about Rodney. Remember I said he's going

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:44.839
<v Speaker 2>through it. Yeah, Well, apparently he's been drinking heavily. He's

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 2>now acting erratically. He's talking too much, like the people

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 2>that can overhear what he's saying. They're arguing at the

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 2>grocery store. She thinks he might blow it all before

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 2>they blow up all the new powerplant. Brick Hill says, Okay,

0:34:57.760 --> 0:34:59.360
<v Speaker 2>I'll get back to you. And so he checks with

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:01.840
<v Speaker 2>the ANC and if it starts to see if another

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 2>team can be deployed for this mission. They n c

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.399
<v Speaker 2>tell him nope, has to be Rodney, yeah. So then

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:11.240
<v Speaker 2>brick Hill contacts Heathany tells her has to be Rodney, yeah.

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 2>And so in case though, he's like, you know, in

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 2>case he blows it all up, why don't you come

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 2>to Zimbabwe and you can lay low with me and

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 2>the others. And so Heather takes off for Zimbabwe. She

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 2>leaves Rodney alone to fa. So now it's Rodney or bust.

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 2>He's cracking up and the date's quickly coming. Elizabeth, let's

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:29.800
<v Speaker 2>check the vibe here for a second. My man Rodney

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 2>is drinking too much, talking to himself, acting erradically, so

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:35.640
<v Speaker 2>much so that his girlfriend and partner has to flee

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:37.760
<v Speaker 2>the country for her own safety and for the safety

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 2>of all the rebels who he can name or contact. Right,

0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 2>So let's just say the mood is tense a little bit,

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:44.880
<v Speaker 2>all right, So let's take a little break, listen to

0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 2>some ads, and then when we're back, we'll see if

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:49.799
<v Speaker 2>Rodney can make it to Kaboom. Back in two and.

0:35:49.760 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 6>Two and we're back, Eliza, we are back.

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Now, before we get back into it, I need to

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 2>ask you another question. Yeah, what do you know about

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 2>limpet minds?

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:18.840
<v Speaker 3>Limpet minds?

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't know anything until I looked this up.

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:23.879
<v Speaker 3>Well, all right, so here's the thing about Olympic mind

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 3>You go in huh yeah, and it's full of olympus.

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I knew you would know, so yeah, so let's back up.

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:32.280
<v Speaker 2>What do you know about limpets?

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 3>So olympit is a thing.

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, it's the only thing. It's not like an

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 2>idea or mind. It's also olymp It is also a

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 2>type of aquatic snail, so it's well known for its

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 2>super strong foot what.

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:47.879
<v Speaker 3>Okay, you know how.

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 2>It is with snails, right, It's all about the question

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:50.800
<v Speaker 2>of how strong is your foot?

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Sure? I mean that's for anybody, honestly, not just in

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.560
<v Speaker 3>the snail world. But I think I was thinking it

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 3>sounded like an animal. But if it's a mine, I

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 3>was like, all right, so Elizabeth's it's it's probably like

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:06.320
<v Speaker 3>a stone. So it's not it's a snail.

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:09.920
<v Speaker 2>It's a snail. And limp its are like muscles or barnacles,

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:13.320
<v Speaker 2>like they attach themselves to underwater structures. Yeah, they're difficult

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:15.680
<v Speaker 2>as how to pry off once they're stuck. So the

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:19.279
<v Speaker 2>foot is how olympet applies suction to whatever surface they're

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 2>attached to. But they also have this super sticky adhesive

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 2>that Olympic secretes it doesn't matter, but this is his

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 2>is really extra suction. So the reason I bring this

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 2>all up is that's where the limpet mind gets its nickname.

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:35.759
<v Speaker 2>Mine's an explosive. You stick to the thing you want

0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:36.359
<v Speaker 2>to blow up.

0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm quick, I can pick these things.

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:39.839
<v Speaker 2>I had to looked through all this.

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Up limpet mind.

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 2>That's really interesting, all my World War two stuff. This

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:46.799
<v Speaker 2>didn't come from it. Like I said, it's a sticky bomb, right,

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:50.279
<v Speaker 2>So no, they're not particularly big, these limpet mine. So

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:52.640
<v Speaker 2>imagine like an explosive that's about the size of, say,

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 2>like a bottle of liquor, not a flask, but like

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 2>a bottle, and instead of a sticky, mucous covered foot

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.360
<v Speaker 2>like a true limpet Olympic mine has a super strong

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.120
<v Speaker 2>magnet that it uses to stick to iron, so you

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:06.680
<v Speaker 2>to steal, yeah, or nickel plated this.

0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 3>They love magnet.

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 2>They did, you called it magnet love. So this is

0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:14.839
<v Speaker 2>where the limpet mind gets tricky though. The limpet mind

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:17.720
<v Speaker 2>that Rodney is given by the NC has a timed fuse,

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 2>which means he trips a switch, he pulls a pin

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 2>and that starts this countdown and once the clock strike zero, kaboomah.

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.359
<v Speaker 2>But once that pin is pulled, there's no turning back.

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:28.840
<v Speaker 2>And that's not the tricky part. The tricky part is

0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:32.120
<v Speaker 2>the timers, aka the fuse. They're known to be faulty,

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:34.759
<v Speaker 2>which means sometimes the explosive can just blow up real quick,

0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 2>like while you're still placing it, like right in your face.

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 3>So I love that we just keep using these things.

0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:40.840
<v Speaker 3>It's known to be faulty.

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well they're like, look, we've got a lot of

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 2>people in Russia. That's not our problem. Getting the bomb

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 2>there is set. So this particular limpet mind, Rodney is

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 2>given by the nc Rebels, as you pointed out, was

0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:54.840
<v Speaker 2>given to them by the Soviets. And the Soviets also

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:57.800
<v Speaker 2>they made this limpet mind packed with this extra special

0:38:57.920 --> 0:38:59.279
<v Speaker 2>chemical called thermite.

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:00.879
<v Speaker 3>Oh that doesn't sound Yeah.

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Now, for those unfamiliar with nine to eleven conspiracies, thermite

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 2>is an incendiary mixture that can cut through steel beams

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 2>any heavy steel construction. You got, that's where you heard it, Yeah,

0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 2>the arm, river tank or nuclear power facilities. Yeah, so

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't need to tell you this. Yeah,

0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 2>but thermite is a mixture of iron oxide and aluminum powder.

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 2>So together, when ignited, the mixture burns at about twenty

0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:28.400
<v Speaker 2>two hundred degrees celsius or about four thousand degrees fahrenheit.

0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:28.919
<v Speaker 3>It's hot.

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So if you pour water on it, on burning thermite,

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:34.279
<v Speaker 2>the water doesn't put it out. Instead, it makes a

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.719
<v Speaker 2>thermite burn hotter. It's like thank you for the fuel, right, Yeah,

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 2>water makes thermite stronger. So long story short, you really

0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 2>really don't ever ever want to be around where thermite

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:46.359
<v Speaker 2>is burning because you're in a bag of water.

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Basically, So, the Soviets, as I said, they've packed these

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:51.400
<v Speaker 2>limpet nines with thermite, and like I'm talking like a

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving turkey, so you could not get any more thermite

0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 2>in there, right, And then they got this tricky fuse

0:39:56.600 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 2>you're supposed to pull, and we've got Rodney, the amateur saboteur.

0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:02.279
<v Speaker 3>Who's like hearing voices.

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:06.720
<v Speaker 2>In the morning. Yeah. So the main reason the anti

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 2>rebels want all this thermite was that the explosions of

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 2>these limpet minds would spread fire through the whole nuclear

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:16.439
<v Speaker 2>reactor facility, and then the thermite would ignite and burn

0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the wires. Then now all of a sudden, you got

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 2>like a network of flames and burn down the whole facility.

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:21.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:24.920
<v Speaker 2>So at this point, uh, based on the study of

0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:28.800
<v Speaker 2>the blueprints of the nuclear reactor, Rodney's handler Rashid, decides

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Rodney should place one limpet mine on each of the

0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:34.640
<v Speaker 2>two nuclear reactors and then attach the other two limpet

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:38.600
<v Speaker 2>mines under each of the control rooms for the nuclear reactors. Okay, right,

0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 2>because that's where all the wires are. You got all

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 2>these like cables and wiring and condos.

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:43.879
<v Speaker 3>That's where Homer Simpson sits.

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, so under Homer's desk. So hopefully this thermite then

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.920
<v Speaker 2>spreads fire burns down everything. So the fuses for the

0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:52.400
<v Speaker 2>limpet minds are set for twenty four hours, so that

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:54.839
<v Speaker 2>gives Rodney time to get free of the buildings if

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:55.600
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't blow up in it.

0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:57.720
<v Speaker 3>Say, twenty four hours to get out of the building.

0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:00.879
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean he knows it's also he sets on

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 2>like a Friday don't will be in the building working.

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 2>But he's also slow and exactly he's like, what was

0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 2>I trying to do? Where's my pen? So Rodney, he's

0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 2>supposed to place them, come back, arm them, pulling the

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:15.879
<v Speaker 2>pins with the four mines while not getting caught. That's

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.520
<v Speaker 2>the plan. Sneak in, place them, then sneak back to them,

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 2>pull the pins whenever you want at go time, and

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:24.360
<v Speaker 2>boom boom boom, next day kaboom. So, Elizabeth, if you

0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 2>were to lay odds on my man, amateur spy guy,

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Rodney Wilkinson pulling off his plandestine operation, what are the

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:35.000
<v Speaker 2>odds you've given? Not good bub I'm giving them seven

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 2>to three against.

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 3>Against.

0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:40.040
<v Speaker 2>If you got ten chances seven.

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.600
<v Speaker 3>Times, it ain't that happens.

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Of course, you have to understand I know some things

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 2>you don't know, like all the numerous layers of security

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 2>that stand between Rodney and him pulling off this operation.

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 3>This isn't just like an empty construction he can just

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:54.839
<v Speaker 3>stroll on through.

0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's not just like steel superstructured let me just

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:01.359
<v Speaker 2>call him. No, this is a you know, at least

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:05.040
<v Speaker 2>in terms of security, operational nuclear facility. So they got

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:07.320
<v Speaker 2>all that you would expect. Like, so when he drives

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:09.640
<v Speaker 2>up to the Coburg, the nuclear facility in his car

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:14.040
<v Speaker 2>for work, there's always a vehicle search standard operating.

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:16.520
<v Speaker 3>Procedure like the mirror.

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:18.839
<v Speaker 2>Sick totally you've driven onto a military base.

0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:19.480
<v Speaker 3>I see I have.

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:22.120
<v Speaker 2>So once he parks his car, then he has to

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 2>walk to the complex. He has to pass through a

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 2>pedestrian security checkpoint gate one that has both a guard

0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 2>and a guard dog. Right, So if Rodney gets through

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:32.480
<v Speaker 2>those two layers of security, he still has to manage

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 2>to sneak the four limpet mines into the building. And

0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:37.320
<v Speaker 2>then keep in mind they're the size of a bottle

0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:39.840
<v Speaker 2>of liquor, so he's trying to smuggle it in basically

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:42.279
<v Speaker 2>four full sized bottles of Jack Daniels. And if he

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:44.960
<v Speaker 2>pulls that off and smuggles the mines into the building,

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 2>The third layer of security is the changing room, because

0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 2>that's where all the workers and the nuclear facility people.

0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 2>They undress stripped down to their birthday suits and then

0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:55.560
<v Speaker 2>put on these like a you know paper coveralls, like

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:58.520
<v Speaker 2>you know tiex suit that everyone wears at the nuclear

0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:01.319
<v Speaker 2>reactor complex. Sow are you going to stick a Jack

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Daniel's bottle in the UK? You couldn't put that in

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:07.480
<v Speaker 2>a body hole like that. So to sneak the limpet

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:09.719
<v Speaker 2>mines into the facility, Rodney brings them hidden into his

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:13.000
<v Speaker 2>car one at a time. He creates the smuggler's gap

0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:15.959
<v Speaker 2>behind the dashboard of his renault. He sneaks the first

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.920
<v Speaker 2>limp and mine into the facility on a Saturday. The

0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:22.840
<v Speaker 2>date is December eleventh. South African government is obviously behind

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 2>schedule and construction because they wanted to be done by October.

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:28.919
<v Speaker 2>So but like the Death Star, it's almost fully operational.

0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:31.760
<v Speaker 2>So Rodney he takes the limpet mind to his office.

0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:33.200
<v Speaker 2>He locks it in his desk drawer.

0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:36.400
<v Speaker 3>Success, so he got it through in front of it.

0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:39.719
<v Speaker 2>No, no, that's between his desk and going into the

0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:42.880
<v Speaker 2>nuclear reactor. So he gets through the gate where they

0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:44.600
<v Speaker 2>check the car. Then he gets through the gate where

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 2>you walk in.

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 7>He gets to his office and then puts it in

0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:51.640
<v Speaker 7>his desk and sticks it on the exactly so yeah,

0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:55.120
<v Speaker 7>so basically typically, like for instance, on Monday, the following Monday,

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 7>he pulls the same move.

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 2>I'll walk you through it. He hides the limpet mine

0:43:58.160 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>in the smuggler's gap of the dashboard of his car.

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Once he parks his car, he transfers the limp and

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:04.600
<v Speaker 2>mind to his shoulder bag. Then he walks to his

0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 2>office where he transfers that mind to his desk drawer

0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:10.920
<v Speaker 2>locks it. He does the same thing on Tuesday, December fourteenth.

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:13.359
<v Speaker 2>Now he only has one more limpant mind to go.

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:16.560
<v Speaker 2>But on Wednesday he wakes up he's got a bad feeling. Yeah, bad,

0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:19.560
<v Speaker 2>bad field, bad juju, Elizabeth. Fives are off. So Rodney

0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 2>doesn't bring a limp and mind to work that day. No,

0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.640
<v Speaker 2>bring your mind to work that day. The next day, Thursday,

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:29.080
<v Speaker 2>December sixteenth, which coincidentally is a national Africaner holiday, the

0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:31.760
<v Speaker 2>day of the vow. I know that you get curious

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:33.839
<v Speaker 2>about these things. I looked it up, Elizabeth. It marks

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 2>the day back in December of eighteen thirty eight when

0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:40.239
<v Speaker 2>four hundred and seventy four voor Trekkers were engaged in

0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:43.840
<v Speaker 2>the Battle of Blood River and they were losing like badly.

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:47.440
<v Speaker 2>They were vastly outnumbered by Zulu warriors, like sixteen thousand

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:50.080
<v Speaker 2>to four hundred and sixty four. Yeah, and so they

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:52.359
<v Speaker 2>make this vow to God, if the Almighty will save

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:55.600
<v Speaker 2>their like lily white behind they fur, will forever keep

0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:57.600
<v Speaker 2>this day holy. They say, this is our new Sabbath,

0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 2>an annual day of remembrance of God and how He

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:02.880
<v Speaker 2>spared us and from I guess, I'm like dying and

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:04.399
<v Speaker 2>going to heaven. Look, it's not my holiday. I don't

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 2>get all the particulars. But now it's not even a

0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:09.960
<v Speaker 2>holiday anymore because nineteen ninety four, after apart I had ended,

0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:13.480
<v Speaker 2>they're like, we're renaming that. That's now a day of reconciliation. Yeah. Yeah,

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 2>he change the holiday. It's very Romans anyway. On that day, Rodney,

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.440
<v Speaker 2>he smuggles in the fourth final limpet mine and locks

0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:22.360
<v Speaker 2>it in his office drawer. Now he just needs to

0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:26.080
<v Speaker 2>place them inside the nuclear reactor fit part of the facility. Yeah,

0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:28.440
<v Speaker 2>and then he has to come back and arm them all.

0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:31.759
<v Speaker 2>Boom boombo. Yeah, and not have them explode in his face.

0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:32.040
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:34.880
<v Speaker 2>So for one of the nuclear reactors, Reactor one, Rodney

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:36.960
<v Speaker 2>has a bit of a challenge. He can't sneak the

0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:39.640
<v Speaker 2>mind through the changing room before he walks to the reactor.

0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:41.760
<v Speaker 2>So he has to place the mine in this gap

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:44.880
<v Speaker 2>in like a tunnel where the conduits pass through the wall,

0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 2>and then he'll have to retrieve the mind from the

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:49.919
<v Speaker 2>other side. I see, right, So that adds a layer

0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:53.359
<v Speaker 2>of complication and risks. Right. So, now, first to get

0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:55.920
<v Speaker 2>any of these mines from his office desk drawer into

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:57.839
<v Speaker 2>the nuclear facility, as I said, they got to pass

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 2>through the pedestrian security checkpoints that are everywhere. Then he's

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:03.839
<v Speaker 2>got to get you know, past the guard the guard dog.

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Then he's got to get the limpet mind, which is

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.400
<v Speaker 2>under his shirt and he's just holding it snug against

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:11.320
<v Speaker 2>his body with his belt and to keep it from falling,

0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:14.040
<v Speaker 2>he'll walk around with his hands in his pants pockets,

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:16.879
<v Speaker 2>sort of like holding the mind from below. And that's

0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 2>like his best plan. He's like, I just gripped yeah, exactly,

0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:22.319
<v Speaker 2>So now, Elizabeth, what sort of hats are we laying

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 2>the man Roddy pulls off this operation.

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 7>Oh, it's getting worse, climbing right nine to one against

0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 7>now exactly okay, But as a counterpoint, you do have

0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:33.319
<v Speaker 7>to always remember what Han Solo once said, never tell

0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:34.080
<v Speaker 7>me the odds.

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:37.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh he always said, I know that one too.

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:41.359
<v Speaker 2>So the big day comes Friday, December seventeenth, nineteen eighty two.

0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 2>My man Rodney doesn't chicken out. He drives to work

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:46.480
<v Speaker 2>in is Rayo, he parks. He doesn't have to sneak

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:48.319
<v Speaker 2>a limp and mine into work that day because they're

0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:50.760
<v Speaker 2>already all set, ready to be smuggled into the nuclear

0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:56.160
<v Speaker 2>reactor and attached magnetically. Now today's the day. But rather

0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 2>than me tell you about Elizabeth, close your eyes. I

0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 2>want you to pick're it. It's Friday, December seventeenth, nineteen

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:10.880
<v Speaker 2>eighty two, the day you've dreamed of it, trained for.

0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:14.080
<v Speaker 2>It's finally here. It's also your last day of work

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:17.760
<v Speaker 2>at the Coburg Nuclear Facility. Because you are Rodney Wilkinson.

0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 2>At the moment you're sitting at your desk psyching yourself up.

0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Everything will go find, Everything will go find, you tell

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:26.719
<v Speaker 2>yourself on repeat, but your stomach doesn't seem to believe you.

0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:29.799
<v Speaker 2>The butterflies in your gut are doing the rumba. You

0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:32.600
<v Speaker 2>take a calming breath and then slide open your desk drawer.

0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:35.719
<v Speaker 2>You take out a limpet mine. You push back your

0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:38.799
<v Speaker 2>desk drawer and stand up. You secret the limpet mine

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:40.960
<v Speaker 2>against your stomach and then tighten the belt to make

0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:44.080
<v Speaker 2>it secure to go time. With your hands dug into

0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:46.279
<v Speaker 2>your pockets, you walk down the hallway, the one that

0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:49.439
<v Speaker 2>leads from your office to the nuclear reactors. You see

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:52.520
<v Speaker 2>the pedestrian checkpoint ahead of you. You've waited for the

0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:54.640
<v Speaker 2>lull at the end of the guard shift, hoping he

0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:58.600
<v Speaker 2>might be a little less attentive, perhaps even a bit drowsy. Meanwhile,

0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:01.400
<v Speaker 2>the rhythm of your nervous steps is all that you

0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:04.759
<v Speaker 2>focus on. At the guard house, the guard barely looks up,

0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:07.920
<v Speaker 2>and the guard dog does the same. He gives you

0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 2>a quick once over, and then the guard dog looks away.

0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:14.640
<v Speaker 2>You must pass through the security checkpoint on the other side.

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:17.839
<v Speaker 2>You let out a sigh of relief. You continue onto

0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:20.360
<v Speaker 2>the nuclear facility. You've memorized the blueprints so you know

0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:22.720
<v Speaker 2>exactly where to go and how to get there again,

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:25.960
<v Speaker 2>the rhythm of your footfalls calms your racing mind. You

0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:29.600
<v Speaker 2>go into the dressing room. No one is around. You

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:32.640
<v Speaker 2>quickly strip down, hiding the limpet Mind and your clothing.

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:35.680
<v Speaker 2>You pull on your protective coveralls, and then you hide

0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:39.040
<v Speaker 2>the limpet mine underneath bet for there you walk into

0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>the section of the facility that houses the nuclear reactors.

0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:45.120
<v Speaker 2>A few workers buzz about, You give friendly nods and

0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 2>continue on your way. Once you're convinced no one is

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:50.400
<v Speaker 2>watching you or can see you, you tuck away and

0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:53.359
<v Speaker 2>crawl under the control room for reactor too. You pull

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:56.480
<v Speaker 2>out the limpet Mind, You attach it with the powerful magnet.

0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:58.960
<v Speaker 2>You place it among the cables that run underneath the

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:03.200
<v Speaker 2>control room. One mindset, three to go. For the next hour,

0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:05.760
<v Speaker 2>you repeat those same steps. You walk back to your desk.

0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:08.200
<v Speaker 2>You hide the limp mine on your person. Then you

0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:11.239
<v Speaker 2>walk through the pedestrian security checkpoint, pass the guard and

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:13.840
<v Speaker 2>the guard dog. No reaction from either one. Then you

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:17.640
<v Speaker 2>change into coverall. You smuggle olymp mind into the nuclear

0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:21.920
<v Speaker 2>reactor facility, and you carefully place each one magnetically. The

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:25.160
<v Speaker 2>dog never ever moves, the guard never looks twice. No

0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:27.400
<v Speaker 2>one ever stops you. No one asks you a single question,

0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:30.360
<v Speaker 2>No one is suspicious of your repeated trips into the

0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:33.719
<v Speaker 2>high security area that houses the nuclear reactors. There's just

0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:37.360
<v Speaker 2>the sounds of your footfalls there to calm your mind.

0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:40.160
<v Speaker 2>When it's time to place the last of the four

0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:42.799
<v Speaker 2>limpit minds, you collect the one you already tucked away

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:46.000
<v Speaker 2>and hidden the gap of the conduit. It's there you

0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:48.120
<v Speaker 2>secret that last mine on your person and you head

0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:51.080
<v Speaker 2>for reactor number one. This time a guard gives you

0:49:51.080 --> 0:49:54.360
<v Speaker 2>the once over, and he doesn't look away. Instead, he

0:49:54.480 --> 0:49:59.040
<v Speaker 2>eyes you warily. He seems suspicious, so you pause, You

0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:01.279
<v Speaker 2>pat yourself down and like you've forgotten something, and you

0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 2>tell him you'll be back in a half hour. Turn

0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:06.839
<v Speaker 2>around and walk back the other direction, But once out

0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:08.719
<v Speaker 2>of sight, you change your path and head over to

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:12.160
<v Speaker 2>reactor number two. There you place the final mind. With

0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:14.480
<v Speaker 2>all the minds placed, you head back to your office.

0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Once safely inside, you pull out your lunch and you

0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:19.879
<v Speaker 2>eat it, or you try to eat it. You take

0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:23.760
<v Speaker 2>mindless bites. This is purely a cover more spycraft, because

0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:26.400
<v Speaker 2>you're not done after lunch. You immediately need to go

0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:29.360
<v Speaker 2>back and pull the pins to sets of fuses for

0:50:29.920 --> 0:50:33.960
<v Speaker 2>all four limpid minds, and sometime after lunch you decide

0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 2>it's go time. You repeat the same steps. You walk

0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:39.200
<v Speaker 2>back into the nuclear facility, pass the guard the guard dog.

0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Once inside, you retrace your steps and go back to

0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:45.600
<v Speaker 2>each mine. You're half certain someone will catch you, but

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:48.400
<v Speaker 2>you go anyway. At the first mind, your hands shake,

0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:51.520
<v Speaker 2>your breathing is ragged rough. You recall how the A

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:53.879
<v Speaker 2>and C Rebels warned you that with limpet mines, there's

0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:55.640
<v Speaker 2>always that risk that when you pull the pin, the

0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.520
<v Speaker 2>chemical fuse will missfire and set off the mine right

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:01.560
<v Speaker 2>in your face. You calm yourself with a few short,

0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:04.800
<v Speaker 2>even breaths, and then you pull the pin of the fuse.

0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Nothing happens. Now three more minds to go. With each mind,

0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:12.359
<v Speaker 2>you repeat the same little ritual. If you call me breasts,

0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:14.960
<v Speaker 2>you close your eyes, you pull the pin. The fuse

0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:16.960
<v Speaker 2>of the second mind works. You walk over to the

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:19.799
<v Speaker 2>third mind, pull the pin. That fusee also work. Same

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:23.680
<v Speaker 2>for the fourth. You're still alive and still in one piece.

0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:27.520
<v Speaker 2>You turn and walk out. This time, your footfalls feel joyous.

0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:30.400
<v Speaker 2>They feel like liberation. You walk back to your office

0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:32.799
<v Speaker 2>whistling and wait for the end of the day. Since

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:35.400
<v Speaker 2>it's your last day at work. Someone invites you to

0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:38.080
<v Speaker 2>join your workmates for a farewell drink, and you accept.

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Just after five pm when you shift in, you walk

0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:43.439
<v Speaker 2>out of the Coburg Nuclear Facility for the last time,

0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:46.000
<v Speaker 2>and later at the pub you raise your glass and

0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:48.919
<v Speaker 2>offer a cheer to your workmates. No one has any

0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:52.240
<v Speaker 2>idea which you're really drinking too, but you do. You've

0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:56.040
<v Speaker 2>done it, So there you go, Elizabeth, my man, Rodney

0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:59.480
<v Speaker 2>came through. So now as long as the minds go off,

0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:00.680
<v Speaker 2>yea solid.

0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:01.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:03.279
<v Speaker 2>So well, Rodney's raising his glass, bending the elbow with

0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:05.600
<v Speaker 2>his work friends. He plays it super cool. When asked

0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:08.080
<v Speaker 2>what's next for him, Rodney tells his buddies he's going

0:52:08.120 --> 0:52:10.520
<v Speaker 2>off to see his girlfriend. He's going back home to England.

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Naturally that's a lie, yeah, because you know Heather is

0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:17.279
<v Speaker 2>actually laying low with ANC rebels and members of the

0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:18.799
<v Speaker 2>Zimbabwe and Liberation Force.

0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:20.400
<v Speaker 3>You can't really explain that part of it.

0:52:20.480 --> 0:52:23.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it sounds weird. So where's your girlfriend? Oh? Man?

0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:26.680
<v Speaker 2>I told you about long story. Anyway, His work friends

0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 2>cheer for Rodney's final day and they're for theirs and

0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:31.080
<v Speaker 2>they wish him well and his travels back to jolly

0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:34.320
<v Speaker 2>old England and to see Heather. After a few work beers,

0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Rodney hops on his bicycle and rides out of town.

0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:39.680
<v Speaker 2>He go rides to his friend's house and she then

0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:42.719
<v Speaker 2>drives him to the Cape Town International Airport with the

0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:46.840
<v Speaker 2>bike in the back of her car. Because that's Rodney's luggage. Yes, nice,

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:50.320
<v Speaker 2>he's got like that in like a rucksack. So Rodney

0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:51.920
<v Speaker 2>asks his friend to get rid of his work boots

0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:54.000
<v Speaker 2>and his coveralls. He's like, I'm pretty certain I left

0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:56.560
<v Speaker 2>princes where like they were implanted the mines. Yeah, and

0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:58.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to connect you to what I did.

0:52:58.680 --> 0:53:00.520
<v Speaker 2>So she's like, I'll get rid of the boots and

0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:04.000
<v Speaker 2>the coveralls. Yeah, no questions asked. So in Johannesburg, once

0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:06.680
<v Speaker 2>he lands, his sister picks him up and puts the

0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:09.040
<v Speaker 2>bike in the back of her car. And then once

0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:12.280
<v Speaker 2>they're alone in the car, Rodney just breaks. He starts crying.

0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:15.600
<v Speaker 2>His sister seeing him, crist she starts crying. She asked

0:53:15.600 --> 0:53:17.680
<v Speaker 2>what he's done? What's the matter. Rodney says he can't

0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:19.960
<v Speaker 2>tell her what he's done. She asked, did you kill someone?

0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:22.279
<v Speaker 2>He's like, no, no, I don't think so. Yeah, He's like,

0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:24.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so and she's like, uh wait, wait

0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:27.800
<v Speaker 2>what you did? Is it crime or is it politics?

0:53:27.840 --> 0:53:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Because she knows her brother. Yeah, and he tells his

0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:32.640
<v Speaker 2>sister it was politics. So she's like, okay, I'm okay

0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:34.640
<v Speaker 2>with it. They both grow quiet. She starts the car.

0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:38.200
<v Speaker 2>They drive to the border of Swaziland now a Swatini. So,

0:53:38.280 --> 0:53:41.080
<v Speaker 2>after serious effort, they find some barbed wire fencing that

0:53:41.360 --> 0:53:44.560
<v Speaker 2>is the border between the two countries. His sister drops

0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:46.680
<v Speaker 2>him off, and Rodney crosses the border through like a

0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:48.839
<v Speaker 2>hole in the barbed wire fence with his little bike.

0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:52.120
<v Speaker 2>He lays down in a stream, fully clothed, as like

0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:54.759
<v Speaker 2>the locals laugh at this crazy white man floating in

0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the water, fully dressed, and he's just like, I made it. Oh,

0:53:57.960 --> 0:53:59.600
<v Speaker 2>thank good. Is the relief he's feeling.

0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:02.719
<v Speaker 3>Sure, all that adrenaline war off and then right, I

0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:05.560
<v Speaker 3>like the thing is it's political? Well yeah, it's also crime.

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<v Speaker 3>Run That's okay.

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:09.720
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, that's okay. Now. The next day, Saturday, December eighteenth,

0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Rodney hops on a bus travels to his pickup point,

0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:14.839
<v Speaker 2>the place where his handle or Rashid said someone would

0:54:14.840 --> 0:54:16.879
<v Speaker 2>grab him and bring him in. When he gets there,

0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:19.960
<v Speaker 2>he's using their like coated system for phone calls and

0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:23.319
<v Speaker 2>no one comes to get him. Oh, as Rodney told

0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:26.000
<v Speaker 2>The Guardian, poy did I wait? I was pissed off.

0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:26.560
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>After some difficulty with the phone due to the fact

0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:31.719
<v Speaker 2>that like a payphone ringing in Mozambique sounds nearly the

0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:34.280
<v Speaker 2>same as like the busy tone in South Africa, Rodney

0:54:34.280 --> 0:54:36.960
<v Speaker 2>finally gets it sorted out. He talks to Rashid and

0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:38.759
<v Speaker 2>then he tells him where he is and to send

0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:41.160
<v Speaker 2>someone to get him. Right. I'm nervous, I'm alone, Like,

0:54:41.200 --> 0:54:43.200
<v Speaker 2>you got to send somebody. I think people are following me.

0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:45.719
<v Speaker 2>Rashid is like like the He's like the wolf in

0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:50.200
<v Speaker 2>pulp fiction. He's like, I got that handled right. So meanwhile,

0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 2>that same Saturday, back at the Coburg Nuclear facility, the

0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:57.360
<v Speaker 2>first mine explodes at three twenty three pm, the next

0:54:57.360 --> 0:55:00.399
<v Speaker 2>limp at mine explodes at eight forty pm, the third

0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:03.080
<v Speaker 2>mine goes off at eleven twenty four pm, and the

0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:06.160
<v Speaker 2>fourth and final mind explodes at two fifty three am

0:55:06.239 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 2>on Sunday morning.

0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:08.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh those are long.

0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the fuses were all jacked up. They were

0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:12.920
<v Speaker 2>not consistent at all. They're all supposed to be pretty

0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:15.640
<v Speaker 2>much the same. Anyway, all four mines they go off

0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:17.720
<v Speaker 2>after hours, will know what is there working?

0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:19.960
<v Speaker 3>Three o'clock? What time do they get off work?

0:55:20.000 --> 0:55:22.000
<v Speaker 2>No one gets hurt. Oh they they're really leaving like

0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:22.640
<v Speaker 2>at five pm.

0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:24.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but did you say the first one is at

0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:25.239
<v Speaker 3>like three pm.

0:55:25.520 --> 0:55:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Three twenty three pm on a Saturday.

0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh on a set.

0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:30.480
<v Speaker 2>No one's working on Saturday. Okay, got it. So no

0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:32.120
<v Speaker 2>one's working there on the weekend. Even they're on like

0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:34.680
<v Speaker 2>a construction rush. They're like, you stuken Saturdays and Sundays

0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:36.640
<v Speaker 2>off and we don't have the second crew. So the

0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:40.439
<v Speaker 2>nuclear reactors, well you know at this point you're gonna

0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:43.399
<v Speaker 2>need two new nuclear reactors. Yeah, they've destroyed them. Right,

0:55:43.440 --> 0:55:45.400
<v Speaker 2>the third mite did the trick?

0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:49.279
<v Speaker 3>Wow? Really right? Not becase we were betting against him.

0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I know he pulls it off, so not bad through

0:55:52.040 --> 0:55:56.880
<v Speaker 2>pot smoking, bike riding, commune living, fencing instructor turned international

0:55:56.920 --> 0:56:00.520
<v Speaker 2>spy guy. So what happens after the bombs go a boom?

0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Great question.

0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:04.960
<v Speaker 3>It's like I destroyed power station and then his friends

0:56:04.960 --> 0:56:08.000
<v Speaker 3>are like, so that's why Robert Palmer went solo. I

0:56:08.040 --> 0:56:10.879
<v Speaker 3>have been sitting on the line for so long since

0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:12.160
<v Speaker 3>she started talking about power station.

0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:14.839
<v Speaker 2>It's just being it was really good.

0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:21.279
<v Speaker 3>I feel like Rodney the release like the so I

0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:22.359
<v Speaker 3>have to go floating the river.

0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:25.840
<v Speaker 2>On Sunday, December nineteenth, Rodney links up with his handler

0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Rasheet in Mozambique and there he learns the limpet mines

0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:32.560
<v Speaker 2>destroyed the nuclear facility. And to celebrate, the two men

0:56:32.680 --> 0:56:35.360
<v Speaker 2>drink whiskey and they eat Soviet fish and they just

0:56:35.400 --> 0:56:36.239
<v Speaker 2>like party down.

0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:38.680
<v Speaker 3>I guess totally.

0:56:38.680 --> 0:56:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, the South African nuclear program just got pushed back

0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:44.000
<v Speaker 2>a year and a half at least. Yeah, And due

0:56:44.040 --> 0:56:47.560
<v Speaker 2>to cultural prejudice the South African investigators, they never identify

0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Rodney as the bomber because they're so convinced that anc

0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:53.520
<v Speaker 2>rebels could never pull off such a high tech operation.

0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:56.200
<v Speaker 2>So instead they think it's more likely that the French

0:56:56.280 --> 0:56:58.520
<v Speaker 2>contractors building the facility did it.

0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:00.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh blame the French always.

0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Went in doubt, but in French Now. After laying the

0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:04.799
<v Speaker 2>load for two weeks, Rodney and Heather they fly back

0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:07.120
<v Speaker 2>to the UK, where they eventually get married. They raise

0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:09.759
<v Speaker 2>a family. They remain safe and sound until the couple

0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:12.399
<v Speaker 2>finally returns to South Africa in nineteen ninety one.

0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:14.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, one year.

0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:17.000
<v Speaker 2>After the apartheid government starts to fall and Nelson mandelegates

0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:19.440
<v Speaker 2>released from prison in nineteen ninety Yeah, and then in

0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:22.160
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety five, one year after apartheid officially ends in

0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:22.920
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety four.

0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:23.240
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:57:23.280 --> 0:57:25.720
<v Speaker 2>The Male and Guardian, South Africa's version of The New

0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:29.120
<v Speaker 2>York Times publishes this account of the daring bombing of

0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:33.120
<v Speaker 2>the nuclear actors and identifies Rodney Wilkinson and Heather Gray

0:57:33.360 --> 0:57:35.919
<v Speaker 2>as the operatives who pulled it off. Wow, and by

0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:39.320
<v Speaker 2>then it's safe to publish the trire. So that Elizabeth

0:57:39.400 --> 0:57:42.920
<v Speaker 2>is the ridiculously heroic tale of how my man Rodney

0:57:43.040 --> 0:57:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Wilkinson humbled the apartheid South African government and helped basically

0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:50.600
<v Speaker 2>like puncture their cloak of supremacy, rights and inevitability. Right, So,

0:57:50.640 --> 0:57:52.040
<v Speaker 2>what's a ridiculous takeaway here?

0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:55.400
<v Speaker 3>Man? You know Rodney was running his mouth, he's talking

0:57:55.400 --> 0:57:58.280
<v Speaker 3>too much in public. Yeah, but look at how tight

0:57:58.360 --> 0:57:59.640
<v Speaker 3>lipt he was after this.

0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Nobody knew nobody on death. The pub knew about it

0:58:04.720 --> 0:58:06.040
<v Speaker 2>when he got into his cups, you know.

0:58:06.120 --> 0:58:07.920
<v Speaker 3>Or maybe they did and they're like good on you.

0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:10.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, They're like, you know what I don't

0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:12.360
<v Speaker 3>want to place on city like we're not going to.

0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:14.480
<v Speaker 2>He stayed with the n C. He got like a

0:58:14.600 --> 0:58:17.400
<v Speaker 2>job working, like you know, they kept him around. But

0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:20.800
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting the ANC doesn't hype this mission a lot.

0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:21.640
<v Speaker 2>You want to hear a.

0:58:21.560 --> 0:58:25.280
<v Speaker 3>Lot, I think because I think, you know, their legacy

0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:28.440
<v Speaker 3>is not so much tied with those kind of yeah,

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:32.000
<v Speaker 3>the terrorists, I guess for lack of activities.

0:58:32.160 --> 0:58:34.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Western press would definitely label this a

0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:34.880
<v Speaker 2>terrorist operation.

0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:37.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and there's you know, there's an old shin

0:58:37.160 --> 0:58:40.440
<v Speaker 3>Fein t shirt of like one man's terrorist is another

0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:44.200
<v Speaker 3>man's fruit fighter, which is like not limited to shin Fain,

0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:47.000
<v Speaker 3>but like, uh, you know, I think that that's something

0:58:47.040 --> 0:58:50.480
<v Speaker 3>that they want to distance themselves from. I would imagine,

0:58:50.520 --> 0:58:52.480
<v Speaker 3>I imagine as well, what's your takeaway?

0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:56.920
<v Speaker 2>My ridiculous takeaway here is uh, I definitely will always

0:58:56.920 --> 0:59:00.000
<v Speaker 2>trust a bike riding fencing instructor from now on. Yeah, exactly,

0:59:00.200 --> 0:59:02.040
<v Speaker 2>I need at least those two. You can't just be one.

0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, defense.

0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:07.240
<v Speaker 3>That's solid.

0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:08.680
<v Speaker 2>So you're in the boot for a talk back.

0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:11.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, I am.

0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Pretty a d what you got for us? Oh, oh

0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:22.640
<v Speaker 2>my god, leg.

0:59:25.960 --> 0:59:28.920
<v Speaker 8>A ridiculous Crime fam. My name is Kelly. I'm from

0:59:28.960 --> 0:59:32.320
<v Speaker 8>Colorado and I'm an original rude dude from day one.

0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:35.520
<v Speaker 8>I was listening to your pigeon episode and you were

0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:37.960
<v Speaker 8>talking about sexy pigeons and where you could find them.

0:59:38.120 --> 0:59:41.320
<v Speaker 8>Now I could think about was animaniacs and the good pigeons.

0:59:41.360 --> 0:59:43.880
<v Speaker 8>So there's some sexy pigeons for you there. And also

0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:46.720
<v Speaker 8>on your lego episode, they just changed it to one

0:59:46.800 --> 0:59:50.320
<v Speaker 8>hundred plus because David Attenborough turned one hundred, so that

0:59:50.320 --> 0:59:53.320
<v Speaker 8>way David could keep playing with legos. Love it, have

0:59:53.400 --> 0:59:53.840
<v Speaker 8>a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god for the legend David Attenborough.

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<v Speaker 3>No exactly, if anyone deserves it, Yeah, legs, I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for that, doup.

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