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Speaker 3: Oh well god. It was a cloudy Monday morning in

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Speaker 3: June when masked ICE agents pulled up to a car

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Speaker 3: wash in southern California.

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Speaker 4: Sur him bad, Jaminet and Ice.

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Speaker 3: This is Candido. He's a car was shadow in his

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Speaker 3: sixties with short silver hair. He has a sort of

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Speaker 3: gentle look on his face, like someone who would smile

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Speaker 3: and nod as he passes you by. Ganilo doesn't have

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Speaker 3: legal status. We are not using his full name or

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Speaker 3: any identifying information at his request because he fears retaliation

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Speaker 3: in his case. Moving forward, Ganilo was taken by Ice

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Speaker 3: about a month ago at his job detailing cars.

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Speaker 5: It all happened so fast.

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Speaker 4: He says Bennett, In a.

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Speaker 5: Matter of minutes.

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Speaker 3: He and seven of his coworkers were detained, handcuffed, and

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Speaker 3: shoved into white vans with out of state plates. He

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Speaker 3: was worried scared.

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Speaker 4: Porque gave.

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Speaker 3: A video from that incident was posted on TikTok. In it,

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Speaker 3: you can see ICE agents dressed in what looks like

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Speaker 3: green army like uniforms.

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Speaker 5: Most are wearing sunglasses and masks. DA The car wash

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Speaker 5: has three ways to get.

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Speaker 3: In and out, and Gandido says I had blocked all

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Speaker 3: three openings.

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Speaker 5: Some markers wanted to run, but there was no.

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Speaker 6: Way out Momente Calamos and Cinema.

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Speaker 3: Ice agents took everyone's cell phones right away. Telephone better,

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Speaker 3: but the ICE officers didn't notice Gandido's Apple Watch graa.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 3: That's the only way he was able to contact his family.

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Speaker 3: He only had a few numbers memorized, so he called

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Speaker 3: his niece mussetto whom he lives with.

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Speaker 8: He was able to call me, so he's like, oh,

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Speaker 8: I'm being detained.

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Speaker 5: They're here.

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Speaker 8: It's like nine or ten of us. They took everything

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Speaker 8: from us. And I told him, how are you calling me?

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Speaker 8: Like how is this possible? He's like, my Apple Watch

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Speaker 8: don't speak loud. I'm like, oh, that's fine. And I

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Speaker 8: did tell him it doesn't matter how bad they treat you.

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Speaker 8: What they tell you do not sign anything.

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Speaker 3: Don't sign anything. Since the increase in ICE raids, immigrant

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Speaker 3: rights groups have been saying this across the country. People

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Speaker 3: have been sharing this and WhatsApp groups. Don't sign anything,

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Speaker 3: don't open the door unless you see a warrant. For

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Speaker 3: the last few months, Lusetto, her husband and their children

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Speaker 3: have all been watching out for their Pio Candido.

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Speaker 8: So I would always tell him if something ever happens,

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Speaker 8: like you have rights.

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Speaker 5: That cloudy morning in June, Lusetto's phone rang.

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Speaker 1: It was her uncle.

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Speaker 5: He was calling from his Apple Watch. He had been taken.

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Speaker 8: I couldn't believe it. We just talked about it, like

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Speaker 8: Like how am I going to help you?

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Speaker 5: I can't. I don't know how I'm going to.

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Speaker 8: But I don't know how.

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Speaker 2: From Fudre Media, it's Latino USA. I'm Maria Josa today

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Speaker 2: Gandhido's story. What happens after an ICE rate? Later, I

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Speaker 2: speak to cal Matters reporter said, here almost will update

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Speaker 2: us on a one of a kind crowdsourcing project revealing

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Speaker 2: how ICE is specifically targeting Latino and Latina communities.

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Speaker 1: But first, here's.

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Speaker 2: Latino USA producer Monica Moreles Garcia again to continue with

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Speaker 2: Gandido's story.

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Speaker 3: Hours had passed since Gandido was taken by Ice. It

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Speaker 3: was nighttime and he still hadn't had anything to eat

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Speaker 6: Guando mourto at eleven pm, Ice agents gave him a

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Speaker 3: At least he thinks it was around eleven PM, because

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Speaker 5: His watch.

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Speaker 4: Central Ortlanto. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The next day, Gannilo was transferred to the notoriously brutal

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Speaker 4: The perma.

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Speaker 3: At the beginning of twenty twenty five, there were only

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Speaker 3: three detainees at the Adelanto Ice Processing Center.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Three.

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Speaker 3: That's because advocates and congressional members had been working for

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Speaker 3: years to close down the privately run facility. Since the

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Speaker 3: LA raids in June, twelve hundred people have been detained there.

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Speaker 3: When Gandilo got to the jail like facility, it was

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Speaker 6: Louise Tolia, Elia Conditional and them.

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Speaker 3: The air conditioner was on full blast and the bright

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Speaker 4: Flora ye.

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Speaker 3: Gano says it was so cold people got sick. He

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Speaker 3: felt like he'd been kidnapped. He was at the mercy

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Speaker 3: of agents who would retaliate against anyone who spoke up. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I said, he calls the agents there racist. With ganiito

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Speaker 3: and detention, Lusetto wasn't wasting one second. She needed her

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Speaker 3: uncle to be released, so she began researching who did

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Speaker 3: she need to talk to, and she came across an

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Speaker 3: organization called Clean car Wash.

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Speaker 8: They said that they specialized on helping car washers and

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Speaker 8: that they were going to try to do everything in

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Speaker 3: Clean car Wash is a worker center based in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 3: which until recently focused on providing shadows with trade edge

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Speaker 3: and support and fighting for lost wages.

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Speaker 7: With everything you know that has been happening and everything

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Speaker 7: that started the first weekend of June, we had to

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Speaker 7: federal agencies going into car washes and kidnapping people from work.

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Speaker 3: This is Andrea Gonzalez, Deputy director of Clean car Wash.

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Speaker 7: When the raid happened at Gandilo's car wash, you know,

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Speaker 7: we reached out to the manager and thankfully the manager

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Speaker 7: provided us information about the workers that had been abducted

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Speaker 7: that day, and then that's how we got to meet Lusetto.

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Speaker 3: The organization took it from there. They got legal representation

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Speaker 3: for Gandido and as for a bond hearing in front

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Speaker 7: Our role was to essentially let them know that they

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Speaker 7: were not alone because our organization, along with other worker

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Speaker 7: centers in Los Angeles, mobilized to create a legal fund.

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Speaker 3: Why are car washers specifically being targeted?

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Speaker 7: So we know that over fifty eight car washes were

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Speaker 7: rated in the last month. We recognize that car wash

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Speaker 7: workers are vulnerable because they're out in the open air,

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Speaker 7: and we have also learned that workers themselves can recognize

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Speaker 7: targeted because it's a predominantly Latino immigrant workforce, and we

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Speaker 7: think that they are assuming that all of those workers

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Andrea tells me, in most cases, once workers get

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Speaker 7: Unfortunately, a lot of the workers were deported by the

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Speaker 7: time we got to them. It was too late. They

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Speaker 7: didn't make the phone call or they couldn't make a uncle.

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Speaker 3: Some of Gandhilo's co workers have already been deported to

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Speaker 3: Watemala and Mexico, he says, and others are still detained waiting.

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Speaker 3: Out of all the cases, Clean car Wash is supporting

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Speaker 3: Gandilo is the only one who's been released. He was

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Speaker 3: let go on bond under strict conditions. I visited Gando

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Speaker 3: at his home last weekend. He showed me his left inkle.

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Speaker 3: He had on an inkle monitor.

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Speaker 4: In monitors.

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Speaker 3: I was kind of shocked. The inkle monitor was bulkier

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Ganido is home with Lucetto. His location is monitored twenty

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Speaker 8: We're still fighting, we're fighting for legal status. He still

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Speaker 5: We're hoping for a good outcome. Misolina, my niece did

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Speaker 5: everything possible. That's why I'm here, he says.

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Speaker 3: You could say Gandilo is one of the lucky ones

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Speaker 3: he had timing on his side. See days after Gannido's

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Speaker 3: bond went through, the Trump administration declared that immigrants who

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Speaker 3: arrive in the United States without proper documentation are no

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Speaker 3: longer eligible for a bond hearing as they fight deportation proceedings.

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Speaker 8: So that means millions of people are unlikely to be.

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Speaker 5: Entitled to bond hearings.

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Speaker 9: And then of course that raised his questions the prison

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Speaker 3: Over the last eight weeks, almost three thousand people have

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Speaker 3: these raids violate the Constitution because, as they explain, human

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Speaker 2: That was Latin New USA producer Monica Morales garcim. We're

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Speaker 2: going to take a quick break, and when we come back,

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Speaker 2: I'll speak with cal Matter's investigative reporter said here almost

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Speaker 2: he's going to talk about a new map that exposes

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Speaker 1: Stay with us, don't yes, Hey, we're back.

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Speaker 2: And before the break, you heard the story of Gandido,

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Speaker 2: at his car washing job. Now we're going to speak

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Speaker 2: Hiro Ormos, who with the help of Evident Media and

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Speaker 2: Belling Cat, has mapped out the Department of Homeland Securities

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Speaker 2: actions since the ICE raids began in California in the spring.

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Speaker 10: In total, over one hundred videos have been geolocated and verified,

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Speaker 10: displaying patterns of where DHS has focused their efforts, including

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Speaker 2: This is important because it's the most comprehensive map to

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Speaker 2: date of the raids. In a video, said he exposes

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Speaker 2: patterns that show where ICE has focused its actions, how

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Speaker 2: video which we're playing in this conversation also includes an

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Speaker 2: interview with Greg Bovino. He's an official with the Border

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Speaker 2: Patrol who's been leading the raids in the area.

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Speaker 10: I think the general public does see a difference between

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Speaker 10: the palato or the silitrus worker and the fentanyl dealer

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Speaker 10: that they are not both on the same field.

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Speaker 9: If they cross the border illegally, then they're coming with us.

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Speaker 1: They are under arrest and they're coming with us.

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Speaker 5: And they need to lave and they need to leave

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Speaker 5: right now.

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Speaker 2: Sed Heo, welcome back to Latin you USA. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for having me, and thank you for this reporting,

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Speaker 2: because in a moment like this, what you're basically doing

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Speaker 2: is deconstructing ICE and DHS and their strategies and letting viewers, readers,

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Speaker 2: listeners see for themselves. Explain to our listeners why is

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Speaker 2: it important to be doing this kind of data collection

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Speaker 10: If you're in Los Angeles on Instagram, even if you're

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Speaker 10: not following it, you're seeing videos of people being taken

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Speaker 10: No one can look at that map and say, hey,

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Speaker 2: And because you're an Angelino, you can kind of tell

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Speaker 10: The change is so apparent and visceral. The streets had

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Speaker 2: And here's the rest of my conversation with Cal Matters

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Speaker 9: This is a significant court victory for the City of

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Speaker 10: Injunction, they wanted the judge to issue the stop to

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Speaker 10: what the ACLU was arguing was, Hey, these guys, these

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Speaker 2: And you have NGOs working together with the cities to

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Speaker 10: Usually it's an advocacy or challenging the city or the county.

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Speaker 2: When we're covering these stories on the ground, oftentimes there

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Speaker 2: Is there a story that you've been holding on to

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Speaker 10: I talked to one guy who was taken at work

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Speaker 10: And I just thought I want to adopt a little

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Speaker 2: It leads me to my last question for you said here,

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Speaker 1: What keeps you optimistic these days?

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Speaker 10: If I ever feel down, there's so much stories just

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Speaker 2: I would say there's a saying in Mexican Spanish Levas

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Speaker 10: The reality is, if you look at the Gallipolo just

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Speaker 10: And I'm not the only one who's looking at all

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Speaker 10: And I learned that people can go through a lot

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Speaker 1: That's what makes you a great journalist.

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