Speaker 1: Native lay Pot is a production of iHeart Radio in
Speaker 1: partnership with Reason Choice Media.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 4: This is episode eighty four, Good Grief eighty four of
Speaker 4: Native Lampie, where we give it to you straight, no
Speaker 4: chase there and get into all things politics with a
Speaker 4: little bit of culture. I am your host, Tiffany Cross
Speaker 4: along with my fellow co host, going with the host,
Speaker 4: Angela Right, and Andrew Gillham.
Speaker 3: What's up, y'all like this?
Speaker 1: I'm your host Tiffany and my that's day.
Speaker 5: That's day. It'll be your time next week. Hosts. Yeah, well,
Speaker 5: we all all are the hop I'm the main host,
Speaker 5: and here's my co host, y'all. If y'all know the joke, y'all,
Speaker 5: not a joke.
Speaker 3: Andrew, where are you?
Speaker 1: I'm sitting comfortable in somebody's chair inside there? Actually, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm at a funeral convention. We are supposed to be
Speaker 1: on our way. I called my best friend the other
Speaker 1: day and when was the last time we took a
Speaker 1: road trip. We got a head down to West Palm
Speaker 1: Beach for these border governor's meeting where they're considering the
Speaker 1: next President and family, along with two other universities, and
Speaker 1: of course he had the answer call about fort this morning,
Speaker 1: go get a pick up a body. That body then
Speaker 1: delayed our departure, which got us a little late on
Speaker 1: the road to South Florida. So we made a pit
Speaker 1: stop in Central Florida, which is where I am right now,
Speaker 1: and we're still.
Speaker 6: Trying to make a body in the room with you know, the.
Speaker 1: Body is with the people who you know gonna dress
Speaker 1: the body.
Speaker 3: Okay, I wasn't expecting that.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, But guess what, when
Speaker 1: you're forty pushing fifty roadches just don't.
Speaker 7: They don't thank you.
Speaker 5: Let me go get this body real, No, I gotta
Speaker 5: go to the bathroom. You guys, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 5: someth I'm gonna get so much trouble with Poppa Rock.
Speaker 1: What did you bring a bag?
Speaker 5: You guys? My dad I can't tell you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gotta.
Speaker 3: Tell us something now because he brought it up.
Speaker 5: You guys. You know you know I love the just Waters.
Speaker 5: You always got to shopping by black. I love just Waters.
Speaker 5: My dad saves the containers because sometimes when he takes
Speaker 5: his blood pressure of medicine. He's gotta be you can't
Speaker 5: see through this, so please make sure you throw him out.
Speaker 5: Man knows we didn't have that.
Speaker 3: You guys the show get so much. I know because
Speaker 3: I wanted to get get a whooping. Anybody to get so.
Speaker 5: Much trouble tip, Oh my god, I just.
Speaker 4: Get a whooping live on hair elementary. People's parents will
Speaker 4: come up to the school. Yeah this was abuse and trouble,
Speaker 4: but you would see them like get me in front
Speaker 4: of the class.
Speaker 5: What happened next week, which was traumatizing. He woke me
Speaker 5: on Christmas when I.
Speaker 4: Was if he did Angelo's parents spoil her, her dad
Speaker 4: especially so if he did, believe, don't feel bad she
Speaker 4: was asking for it.
Speaker 5: For Christmas.
Speaker 7: Day.
Speaker 5: That was the first and last one. But he cried
Speaker 5: harder than I did so.
Speaker 1: This week because I showed up late to pick him
Speaker 1: up Jackson, my oldest from his uh speeding agility camp.
Speaker 1: I got there probably twenty minutes late. He got in
Speaker 1: the carture. I was I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm in a conversation.
Speaker 3: I'm literally ghost the body in the background.
Speaker 1: Girls shut up, but no, no, I get him in
Speaker 1: the com like man how was the speeding agility camp?
Speaker 1: And he's like fine, fine, I said, Jackson, are you
Speaker 1: are you mad with me? I'm mad with you, I said, Jackson.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I was late. I'm so sorry I
Speaker 1: was late. I was trying not to do that again.
Speaker 1: I mean, keV was in the backseat like this the
Speaker 1: whole time, and then he started crying. I felt really bad,
Speaker 1: Like I was like, did you think I was gonna
Speaker 1: leave you here?
Speaker 3: That is terrible.
Speaker 1: Eleven year olds. Eleven year olds.
Speaker 5: Tell you that next time, I'm gonna come get in
Speaker 5: myself because I don't know what you are doing. Basically,
Speaker 5: then you know that I'm gonna come through. I'm gonna
Speaker 5: run right to Chaillhasse and give my nephew so you
Speaker 5: don't leave them.
Speaker 4: Well, I missed the show. So this is a very
Speaker 4: belated Happy Father's Day to you, Andrew. And I love
Speaker 4: the stories that you share about being such a great father,
Speaker 4: and it's just an example that black dads matter. So
Speaker 4: shout out to all the fathers, no matter what the
Speaker 4: special Shout out to our brothers, our black fathers out
Speaker 4: there raising wonderful black men and black black children. Say
Speaker 4: black children, I don't want to over adult ride. It's
Speaker 4: our children, black boys and black girls.
Speaker 1: God knows. So does it quicker than we're ready?
Speaker 4: Right exactly, Listen, we're about to get in the show.
Speaker 4: But I know that we have a very loyal audience
Speaker 4: out there. So for all the people, it seems like
Speaker 4: lately I've been meeting so many people who stop me
Speaker 4: and say I love Native Land. So I want to
Speaker 4: thank you guys for showing us love in the streets
Speaker 4: and would love for you all, well, thank you. We
Speaker 4: would love for you all to spread the word. Want
Speaker 4: to make sure that you are telling your friends to
Speaker 4: tune in, tell your friends to subscribe, friends and family,
Speaker 4: leave us a rating, just tell people about Native Land.
Speaker 4: Because the more that y'all tune in and the more
Speaker 4: y'all talk about us, the more work that we can do.
Speaker 4: And I want to send a special shout out and
Speaker 4: thank you to all of you who send in your
Speaker 4: viewer questions. And just a real quick point of clarity,
Speaker 4: we consider y'all family. So if we make some offhanded
Speaker 4: comment or we don't agree, it is all in love.
Speaker 4: If we say something that y'all don't agree with, if
Speaker 4: we respond to a question that you didn't like the
Speaker 4: way we respond to send in another video like we
Speaker 4: want this to.
Speaker 1: Be a video.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: We are never saying anything to intentionally put somebody down,
Speaker 4: So if that's ever been taken that way, I definitely
Speaker 4: want to apologize. We love having conversation with you all
Speaker 4: in person and on video. So thank you guys for
Speaker 4: all of that. All right, Angel Andrew, what y'all got today?
Speaker 5: Well, I have a complaint. My complaint is Tiffany is
Speaker 5: going to be in Baltimore with our people, Andrew, and
Speaker 5: you're not here because you decided to take a road
Speaker 5: trip and I just have beef.
Speaker 1: Not a I ain't not here playing in the streets.
Speaker 5: Now you've kind of played in this mission. Well okay,
Speaker 5: so then maybe my beef is not with you, it's
Speaker 5: with fam you, So I will say.
Speaker 1: That and Ron DeSantis and his Republican sycophants. Yes, Sanda,
Speaker 1: you know, take everybody out, y'all. It's not a joke.
Speaker 5: It's true, it's not a joke. I'm very upset. I
Speaker 5: want my brother to be here with us. We are
Speaker 5: doing the State of the People National Assembly in Baltimore.
Speaker 5: A lot of people of ours v Pede I'm starting
Speaker 5: to wonder if they're coming for that free fish fry.
Speaker 5: We're doing our Juneteenth tomorrow, but we have our people
Speaker 5: coming through and be here, so I'm tight about it.
Speaker 1: I'm tight and big and big, big, huge ups to you, Angela, who,
Speaker 1: through your force of nature, have just made possible what
Speaker 1: I think many thought was impossible.
Speaker 5: Thank you' not just me, but thank you very much.
Speaker 1: I know I.
Speaker 4: Have something to say about that, but Andrew, before I
Speaker 4: get to it, tell us what you got.
Speaker 1: Well, y'all, I was gonna dive in a little bit
Speaker 1: to what's happening down here in Florida because I know
Speaker 1: that it reverberates, not because it spam you, but because
Speaker 1: these circumstances where our legacy presidents at our legacy HBCUs
Speaker 1: are coming up for retirement, are transitioning on and some
Speaker 1: of them are being forced on by the politics of
Speaker 1: the day. And it's no different here in Florida, no
Speaker 1: different than what we're seeing in Tennessee in another places.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna switch it up real quick, and Angela
Speaker 1: and Tiff and just say this weekend, regardless of all
Speaker 1: of the intimidation that the Trump administration was trying to
Speaker 1: scare people in the staying home will kill. We had
Speaker 1: a share from Florida State, we will kill y'all if
Speaker 1: you come out here in protests. Right, people showed up
Speaker 1: all over this country. Y'all gave me goose bumps that
Speaker 1: they were like, bring it, we're here. There are no
Speaker 1: kings on this land.
Speaker 4: We have two amazing guests joining us. Cornell Belcher is
Speaker 4: a social scientist poster. He was the poster for both
Speaker 4: of Obama's elections in two thousand and eight and twenty twelve,
Speaker 4: and he runs a company, a polling company called Brilliant
Speaker 4: Brilliant Corners, and he was also one of Andrew's posters,
Speaker 4: which I did not even realize. And he will He
Speaker 4: will be joined by another guest who I think Lauren
Speaker 4: r Ep put on our radar, and then Angela had
Speaker 4: the idea to have them both join us.
Speaker 3: Do you want to tell us about the other guests, Angela, yes, TIV.
Speaker 5: We're really excited. I know Cornell Belcher better just like you.
Speaker 5: But Gabrielle White will also join us. They are coming
Speaker 5: from the Highland Project and they conducted a poll of
Speaker 5: black women voters in America this past spring, so we're
Speaker 5: thrilled to have them and to talk about what they
Speaker 5: found out.
Speaker 4: What I want to talk about is a scary topic,
Speaker 4: quite frankly, and that is that we appear to be
Speaker 4: on the precipice of a potential nuclear war. Nations with
Speaker 4: nuclear power are at odds right now. Israel is a
Speaker 4: nuclear power. They don't like to acknowledge it, but they are.
Speaker 4: The United States is a nuclear power. We've been pulled
Speaker 4: into a war with Iran, who is a potential nuclear power.
Speaker 4: So I want to explore that. But before we get
Speaker 4: into the show, I wanted to pick back up on
Speaker 4: what Angela said about the tour, on what you said, Andrew,
Speaker 4: and I've been having trouble getting my words together trying
Speaker 4: to say what I want to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, can you believe it?
Speaker 4: But that's okay cause somebody else, somebody else said it
Speaker 4: better than I could.
Speaker 3: So let's hear from her.
Speaker 5: What you are doing with this tour, what the leaders
Speaker 5: here have been doing with this tour.
Speaker 8: Is absolutely about giving.
Speaker 4: Life to those concepts that we were raised with, including
Speaker 4: self determination, the importance of understanding one's power, and empowering
Speaker 4: community at the same time.
Speaker 3: So I congratulate you in front of all the friends.
Speaker 5: And to everybody, you're.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: I'm mad because the only video I could get my
Speaker 4: hands on the beginning was cut off. But what Madame
Speaker 4: Vice President Kamala Harry said at the beginning of that
Speaker 4: video is I want to this is her quote directly,
Speaker 4: I want to shout out Angela Rye and then you
Speaker 4: hear the rest of the video. But what she said
Speaker 4: was that's my sister right there, and then she started
Speaker 4: talking about the importance of the tour. So it was
Speaker 4: great being in LA because we got to see Madam
Speaker 4: Vice President and she got to address the community. But
Speaker 4: I just thought it was important to play that clip
Speaker 4: one to just I know it's a team of people.
Speaker 4: I've been on emails with the people they reach out
Speaker 4: to me, so I know it's more people than Angela.
Speaker 4: But Angela, I know that this torment a lot to
Speaker 4: you when you put in a lot of work. And
Speaker 4: I also thought it is important for our viewers to
Speaker 4: hear that because I of course address Madame Vice President
Speaker 4: as Madame Vice President. Sometimes I will say Kamala, but
Speaker 4: that is because there's a relationship there, and I wanted
Speaker 4: you all to hear that from her because Angela her sister.
Speaker 4: So when you hear her say Kamala is not an
Speaker 4: act of disrespect. It's because they know each other and
Speaker 4: to show that movements start from the bottom up and
Speaker 4: they can rise and reach people all over. So no
Speaker 4: matter where you are in your journey, maybe you weren't
Speaker 4: a part of the State of the People tour, maybe
Speaker 4: you're doing amazing work in your own community. I just
Speaker 4: commend all the leaders for all the work that you're doing.
Speaker 4: Angela is very resistant to praise and compliments. Even at
Speaker 4: the agenda, when the Vice President tried to thank her,
Speaker 4: she immediately deflected and started talking about other people. So
Speaker 4: I was like, Nick, don't tell her to sound I'm
Speaker 4: playing because I wanted you to just get your flowers.
Speaker 4: As we convene and kick off the National convening in Baltimore.
Speaker 4: We will miss you, brother Andrew, but like you are
Speaker 4: on your own mission, that's very important work to you.
Speaker 4: So I commend you as well, and I hope this
Speaker 4: inspires people. You know, we've all been on our own
Speaker 4: journeys and we've been very unfiltered about that with you,
Speaker 4: all our audience, who we care so much for so,
Speaker 4: just congratulations Angela as the national convening is about to commence.
Speaker 4: In any words, what's next after this tour?
Speaker 5: Yes, the question it's funny because you know you finished
Speaker 5: one chapter and you know that the story is not written.
Speaker 5: Because even as we come to Baltimore now, I wish
Speaker 5: the sound that I should have said when you asked
Speaker 5: me early if I hadn't and I didn't. There was
Speaker 5: an altercation in Baltimore streets with law enforcement just over
Speaker 5: the last couple of days and somebody was killed. And
Speaker 5: so the thing that we keep seeing in every city
Speaker 5: that we're in is that we're supposed to be there,
Speaker 5: that it is divine timing, that there's a place for
Speaker 5: our people to gather, to organize, to coalesce, to collaborate.
Speaker 5: And I'm so thankful because it really when I tell y'all,
Speaker 5: if I need to know, like, oh, how big does
Speaker 5: this sign need to be? Who can do the artwork,
Speaker 5: who can up data website, who can speak on a
Speaker 5: panel about veterans in the role of the military right now?
Speaker 5: Who can do tabletop exercises so we know what happens
Speaker 5: if the water supply is cut off or our cell
Speaker 5: phone towers are down. Those are all things I cannot do,
Speaker 5: so that means there are people that are doing them.
Speaker 5: What I'm grateful for is the ignorant courage that says
Speaker 5: that we can pull all of this off with no
Speaker 5: real plan in time. And I'm very thanking for the
Speaker 5: people who went along for that ride by faith, took
Speaker 5: one step in front of the other, and win by faith.
Speaker 5: So I'm really really grateful. I love that tip brought
Speaker 5: up our mad and Vice President because it is a
Speaker 5: reminder that even with relationship, especially in an era where
Speaker 5: we're so blatantly disrespected, that respects to start at home.
Speaker 5: So I do appreciate that nudge always and shout out
Speaker 5: to our sister, the MVP, because I don't know what
Speaker 5: these other people is doing.
Speaker 4: But also Angela, I mean, we have criticism for her
Speaker 4: as well, but I thought the audience should know that, like, yes,
Speaker 4: if we say we didn't like what Kamala did when
Speaker 4: this happened, none of that is intended disrespect where it's
Speaker 4: our right for now, we have that right in this
Speaker 4: country and it's our responsibility to question our leaders, but
Speaker 4: it is all done from a place of love. Just
Speaker 4: like when y'all criticize us. That's why I can receive
Speaker 4: it because it comes from a place of love.
Speaker 5: We have those conversations with her directly. You know, it's
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, I disagree with this. Have you thought
Speaker 5: about this approach? You know? So I definitely know that
Speaker 5: I wish that we had a clip like this when
Speaker 5: we first started to show, because people really didn't get it.
Speaker 5: I remember there was somebody I remember who, but somebody
Speaker 5: posted a clip saying that we were mad because we
Speaker 5: didn't get invited to the Christmas party all. And the
Speaker 5: truth of it was, we opted not to go as
Speaker 5: a collective of our group of girlfriends opted not to
Speaker 5: go as a collective to stand in solidarity with the
Speaker 5: Palestinian people. So anyway, we love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the things that you raised so bravely and
Speaker 1: consistently for us is this sort of what do you do?
Speaker 1: How do you just get started? And Angela, I just
Speaker 1: want to say you exhibited live and in real time
Speaker 1: that you just have to take a step. You just
Speaker 1: have to take a step and you never know what
Speaker 1: kind of squad is lined up behind you. Maybe not
Speaker 1: to do all the things you want every better do,
Speaker 1: but they're there to do something, They're there to plug in.
Speaker 1: So I just want to just underscore that mark that
Speaker 1: it took it takes us step do something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and people and plenty of people are out there
Speaker 4: doing something and not everybody's in it. You know, when
Speaker 4: I hear people have aspirations, I have to remind them.
Speaker 4: Angela never got into this game to be on TV
Speaker 4: to get a bunch of IG followers. You know, Ala
Speaker 4: was a staffer on the Hill. People used to tell
Speaker 4: me that about Jamal Simmons, like I want to be
Speaker 4: like Jamal Simmons years ago, and Jamal Simmons didn't get
Speaker 4: in this game for that. You know, Jamal Simmons worked
Speaker 4: on about a thousand who gives a craft campaigns across
Speaker 4: the like places you never heard of.
Speaker 3: You would work on that.
Speaker 4: So when you are honored, when you honor the work
Speaker 4: uh and are not into hashtag celebrity and hashtag activism,
Speaker 4: that's where our collective focus should be. So congratulations. I
Speaker 4: will see you all in Baltimore this week. We're looking
Speaker 4: forward to it and a lot of our friends. They're
Speaker 4: flying in from all over the country, so it should
Speaker 4: be a good time and definitely want to honor the
Speaker 4: life that was lost in the streets of Baltimore and
Speaker 4: we were made. This is a good example. We were
Speaker 4: being lighthearted about the body that is an Injrew's room
Speaker 4: right now, but I do want to honor that that
Speaker 4: person lost the life and give with me.
Speaker 1: That was a city, a couple of cities.
Speaker 5: Though okay, already dropped the body.
Speaker 4: Of Listen, y'all a cycle of life.
Speaker 1: Real quick, though. I just think I don't want to
Speaker 1: let this moment pass without Also, you said something tip
Speaker 1: when you said this whole hashtag celebrity thing. And I've
Speaker 1: gotten so much frustration with so many different quote unquote
Speaker 1: elected leaders, well elected quote leaders who think because they
Speaker 1: put a post on their social that in some way
Speaker 1: how that means they moves the earth. Then I'm knocking
Speaker 1: on doors not bringing nobody in, and they're afraid of
Speaker 1: their own shadow. I just want to thank those folks
Speaker 1: like Keith that listen and again our sorrows go out
Speaker 1: to the families impacted in Minnesota by the rationing up
Speaker 1: of this rhetoric, but for getting out there saying what
Speaker 1: needs to be said. And we have to stop cowering.
Speaker 1: I have more people asking me, well, Andrew, if you
Speaker 1: know this board is gonna choose the candidate we don't want,
Speaker 1: when do we start to just sort of bring it together,
Speaker 1: you know, bring her in? I said, can we at
Speaker 1: least follow through the whole protest? I demand say, not
Speaker 1: being made? Why are it is not the obligation of
Speaker 1: those who are being trampled upon to then go and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I know you hurt me and you didn't have to
Speaker 1: kick me like you did, but are we gonna be okay?
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure all this no. So
Speaker 1: so if she selected president at these other institutions, if
Speaker 1: the leader that you don't want to select, it, the
Speaker 1: onus is on them to help bring that divide. I
Speaker 1: just the politeness the whole. You know, I'm courageous because
Speaker 1: I sent a tweet, but you're not doing anything in
Speaker 1: follow up y'all times. If you haven't noticed, it's quitting
Speaker 1: time for all of that.
Speaker 3: You know, that might be a good mini pod.
Speaker 4: The leadership styles, you know, because they're different leadership styles
Speaker 4: and not everybody needs to lead all the time. Do
Speaker 4: you have what it takes to lead, but also do
Speaker 4: you have what it takes to follow? And that is
Speaker 4: something can do. You have that ego chech that you
Speaker 4: need to follow. So maybe we'll get into that on
Speaker 4: the mini pod. And just so our viewers know, you
Speaker 4: referenced Keith Ellison. He was, of course, a former member
Speaker 4: of the Congressional Black Caucus and he is now the
Speaker 4: Attorney General of Minnesota. And as you all know, we
Speaker 4: had political violence. Sadly, I don't think it'd be the
Speaker 4: last that we'll see. We had political violence with the
Speaker 4: loss of the former House speaker state House speaker in
Speaker 4: Minnesota and her husband and another Democratic elected official and
Speaker 4: his wife. They were shot but they both survived.
Speaker 3: Still fourteen times.
Speaker 4: Okay, don't go anywhere, because on the other side of
Speaker 4: this break, you guys, we look like we are on
Speaker 4: the precipice of a potential nuclear war. We're going to
Speaker 4: get into that.
Speaker 6: We'll see you on the other side.
Speaker 4: So, speaking of violence, I want to talk, ever so
Speaker 4: briefly about this war that it seems like the United
Speaker 4: States is itching to get in Congress is I have
Speaker 4: to say, Congress is trying to stop this because the
Speaker 4: United States Constitution grants the right to declare war to Congress,
Speaker 4: not to presidents. However, the president is the commander in chief,
Speaker 4: so he can command that troops take action. And so
Speaker 4: that's why certain we've been at war quote unquote, but
Speaker 4: it has not been an acknowledged war for the history books,
Speaker 4: and because Congress didn't declare it. I'm really nervous about this.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 4: I'm really nervous about this. Just so, just so folks know,
Speaker 4: and Andrew, I'm depending on you to correct me if
Speaker 4: I say something wrong here. But this is my understanding
Speaker 4: of what's happening Israel, as you all may have recalled,
Speaker 4: proactively drop bombs on Iran. They claim this was to
Speaker 4: stop them from being able to enrich uranium, basically from
Speaker 4: being able to make a nuclear weapon. And this is
Speaker 4: happening at the same time that Trump is in conversations
Speaker 4: with Iran for a new Iran nuclear deal, which I
Speaker 4: surmise I can almost guarantee was not going to be
Speaker 4: that different from the nuclear deal that Obama had with
Speaker 4: the Iranians, which they ship on the entire time. After that,
Speaker 4: Net and Yaho felt emboldened. And of course Iran is attacked,
Speaker 4: and so Net Yahoo is like that little shit talking
Speaker 4: person that loves to do a lot of talking but
Speaker 4: throws a stone and hides his hand, and then he
Speaker 4: comes to America like, let's go get him, guys.
Speaker 3: And this is.
Speaker 4: Where we are right now. And that makes me incredibly
Speaker 4: nervous for a few reasons. I was at CNN at
Speaker 4: the time during the build up to the Iraq War,
Speaker 4: and this has very striking similarities. That was allegedly to
Speaker 4: stop Iraq from developing a nuclear weapon, but the background
Speaker 4: ambition was regime changed, and we remember exactly how that
Speaker 4: turned out. It was a bloody quagmire that cost us
Speaker 4: tens of thousands of lives, changed generations, was awful. This
Speaker 4: is on the heels of nine to eleven. So I
Speaker 4: guess I'm just concerned now of what this takes. The
Speaker 4: IEA is the International Atomic Energy Agency, and so they've
Speaker 4: said that Iran has enriched their uranium. See it needs
Speaker 4: to be a ninety percent to create a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 4: Where this facility is that they're trying to bomb is
Speaker 4: buried so deep in a mountain like like Wakanda vibranium.
Speaker 4: It is deep, deep, deep deep levels. Israel cannot get
Speaker 4: to that mountain and they are going to try to
Speaker 4: keep bombing. And now basically they have their hands out
Speaker 4: saying America, now we have to go fight this war.
Speaker 4: I just got a problem with this net in y'ahoo
Speaker 4: is a war criminal. This man has to be stopped,
Speaker 4: like he cannot keep doing this shit, and then looking
Speaker 4: at us saying okay, now y'all come get involved. Y'all
Speaker 4: send money, y'all send lives because now Iran first of
Speaker 4: all months ago, Iran said the United States is not
Speaker 4: our enemy, and we don't know why we're their enemy.
Speaker 4: We don't hind on beef with you all. Now Iran
Speaker 4: is saying knock if you buck. You keep tweeting all
Speaker 4: these things. Guess what We're not like other nations. We
Speaker 4: will not back down. That is a terrifying thing. Most
Speaker 4: of the people in Iran do not support the regime.
Speaker 4: So when you have a regime like that, that's saying
Speaker 4: we will fell up. If you try something, that's what
Speaker 4: it feels like. Just put it in lays, that's what
Speaker 4: it feels like. Cross this line if you want to.
Speaker 4: I am terrified about this. I am so terrified about
Speaker 4: this because they could be a cornered animal. They can
Speaker 4: be the negotiator or escalate and they could say no
Speaker 4: We're gonna escalate because we're tied Israel has been killing
Speaker 4: our people. We're gonna make this a religious war.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to get the background to the audience
Speaker 4: and get y'all thoughts about it, because I am pretty
Speaker 4: concerned that we could really see a nuclear war.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, if you thank you for the breakdown.
Speaker 1: By the way, the detailed breakdown, I would insert one
Speaker 1: other I would say provocation by Israel that preceded the
Speaker 1: mass bombing that they have undertaken of late, and that
Speaker 1: is they sent almost the CIA version in Israel, the
Speaker 1: version of the CIA in Israel. That's the best way
Speaker 1: I can put it. But otherwise clandestine organization. They sent
Speaker 1: clandestine troops into Iran the weekend prior to the negotiations
Speaker 1: beginning about uh that you referenced before that Trump walked
Speaker 1: away from from the nation of World, from the from
Speaker 1: the world that included all industrialized nations democratic nations as
Speaker 1: a part of that treaty. Those negotiations were to take
Speaker 1: place over the weekend, and prior to those negotiations taking place,
Speaker 1: Net and Yahoo decides to send their clandestine troops into
Speaker 1: a sovereign territory of Iran and pretty much took out
Speaker 1: assassinated the top brass of Iranian military leadership.
Speaker 3: I mean this is scientists.
Speaker 1: Is that not just a scientist, but military generals, they're
Speaker 1: air force. I mean, these these were very calculated, I
Speaker 1: gotta say, probably of a sophistication level that has not
Speaker 1: been executed by another nation to this point in the world.
Speaker 1: And the reason why it hasn't been executed by another
Speaker 1: nation in the world despite their capabilities, is that everyone
Speaker 1: knows the splatter that comes from that kind of warfare.
Speaker 1: One when you say it's okay to go into a
Speaker 1: sovereign nation and do that, and you permit it, you
Speaker 1: also permit it for yourself. That's why sovereigns don't endorse
Speaker 1: the killing of other sovereign kings and queens. Because you
Speaker 1: permit a god given sovereign to be assassinated, you invite
Speaker 1: the same into yourself. So most nations don't carry out
Speaker 1: those kinds of operations because they don't want the same.
Speaker 1: They don't want to create a permission structure for the
Speaker 1: same thing to happen to them. So the reason why
Speaker 1: these layers are so important, in my opinion, is it
Speaker 1: shows not a response to Iran for a specific action.
Speaker 1: This is a well calculated, well matured It seems to
Speaker 1: me that the plans that have been on the bookshelves
Speaker 1: for years, if not decades, under net and Yahoo and
Speaker 1: his ultra conservative regime, that they are now because Trump
Speaker 1: has created the permission structure by basically saying, I don't
Speaker 1: care what the hell they do to them, I don't
Speaker 1: care what I mean that That's pretty much what he
Speaker 1: said about this part of the world out in here
Speaker 1: on this topic. And that is simply to say, this
Speaker 1: is America leadership in the world at its worst. If
Speaker 1: if what is happening in the Middle East doesn't do
Speaker 1: anything else to us, it should hold a mirror up
Speaker 1: to the American people to say that Trump has been
Speaker 1: asleep at the wheel. Countries are going ape shit bombing
Speaker 1: each other, India's you know, experiencing its aggressive tendencies, China
Speaker 1: towards the Taiwanese and the Taiwan's straits.
Speaker 4: Access that they're forming, Indiana, Russia. I mean, this is
Speaker 4: the you know, don't leave out North Korea, like this
Speaker 4: is a new world order.
Speaker 1: The United States to decide, Yeah, we used to have
Speaker 1: to give permission for these kinds of things to take place.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean to perpetuate the the you know,
Speaker 1: this sort of big popa role. But what's true is true,
Speaker 1: and that is the United States has been the global
Speaker 1: war leader and has set the global war order for
Speaker 1: the last sixty or some odd years.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: By the way, I don't think that order has been perfect.
Speaker 1: In fact, it is filled with mistaken era. Well, what's
Speaker 1: happening now, the kind of chaos y'all, Tiffany, your right
Speaker 1: to be concerned. I'm absolutely concerned, mostly because I think
Speaker 1: net and Yahoo is going to leave Donald Trump by
Speaker 1: the nose to the American people into a war, which
Speaker 1: I think will help to fracture Trump's space. Who are
Speaker 1: natives at hard They don't want their money going overseas
Speaker 1: and don't want the troops their sous and Donald's going overseas.
Speaker 1: And if Trump preceedes down this line, I think he's
Speaker 1: looking for trouble.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Andrew, I you know again, this is all very
Speaker 4: frightening to me to see what's happening. And I think
Speaker 4: it's not a matter of if we'll get involved, but
Speaker 4: when so, I just thought it was important to talk
Speaker 4: about this because news happens and changes so quickly, and
Speaker 4: this is a huge, huge deal. And you know, like Angela,
Speaker 4: you have your hands full with what's happening here in
Speaker 4: America and we can't take our eye off that while
Speaker 4: around us chaos swirl. So it just feels like because
Speaker 4: people are saying, oh, this is a distraction from what's
Speaker 4: happening domestically, and I don't know that this is a distraction,
Speaker 4: like this is something right, right, It's not a distraction.
Speaker 4: This is something that that requires our attention, and it's
Speaker 4: a manipulative tactic.
Speaker 5: Yes, I was just gonna say on this point. You know,
Speaker 5: this kind of happens for me every time we do this.
Speaker 5: I'm fine with domestic policy. I don't know why, but
Speaker 5: foreign policy is always and I talk about on the show,
Speaker 5: it's always been harder for me to like absorb and
Speaker 5: get it and follow all the players. So I'm sure
Speaker 5: there are folks at home that feel similarly. I'm glad
Speaker 5: when you're I'll do these, But I would be lying
Speaker 5: if I didn't say that part of me is feeling
Speaker 5: the angstuff. But ice is on our streets and they're
Speaker 5: trying to create manufacture literally, war on our own streets.
Speaker 5: So how do you tell people to carry both, like
Speaker 5: we can't afford not to carry both. What's the instruction
Speaker 5: or the directive that you would give to some of
Speaker 5: us who are battling. Well, this feels really present for me,
Speaker 5: and it's right outside my door. It's impacting my neighbors.
Speaker 5: I'm seeing, I'm hearing about kids being disappeared or their
Speaker 5: parents being disappeared, so they're stranded and holding on to
Speaker 5: teachers as like this cliped that Joy put up yesterday.
Speaker 5: So what do you tell folks that are like, I
Speaker 5: don't know if I could.
Speaker 4: Do both, I get it, and I'm not asking anybody
Speaker 4: to do both. Just listening to us talk about it
Speaker 4: is enough, just so you're aware, because it's nothing that
Speaker 4: we can do on the global stage to stop anything.
Speaker 4: So if you can just be aware that this is happening,
Speaker 4: the closest I can example I can give is Game
Speaker 4: of Thrones when all the people were fighting, but the
Speaker 4: White Walkers were in regardless. So y'all are fighting over
Speaker 4: who's gonna sit on this iron throne, but out there
Speaker 4: in the atmosphere, the White Walkers are coming. So then collectively,
Speaker 4: y'all all had to get together to fight them. That's
Speaker 4: what it can feel like. And you can make the
Speaker 4: White Walkers climate change, you can make the White Walkers
Speaker 4: nuclear weapons.
Speaker 5: Whatever they are, the White Walkers. But so here's my question,
Speaker 5: how do we come together? Well, how do we come
Speaker 5: I guess we're not coming together with the White Walkers,
Speaker 5: but how do we come together with people who are
Speaker 5: seeking our demise right now? How do we come together
Speaker 5: with people who are, at least it appears to be
Speaker 5: acting like ice even when they're not. We don't have
Speaker 5: any way to verify if these chokes are actually law enforcement,
Speaker 5: which is what they've done since slavery. So how do
Speaker 5: we find ourselves coming together to prepare for an international
Speaker 5: onslaught of terror and violence when they are terrorizing us
Speaker 5: currently on these streets. What is the pathway for coming
Speaker 5: together so we can protect the homeland? What's the princess
Speaker 5: for doing that?
Speaker 1: I mean, Angela, first of all, thank you for raising it,
Speaker 1: because I know how true it is, the dissonance that
Speaker 1: we all feel. That's why I used to bother me
Speaker 1: so much when I would hear thirteen thousand troops killed
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan, right because I got a nephew who's in
Speaker 1: the Marines, and I have uncles who have served this
Speaker 1: country and an uncle who lost his life serve in
Speaker 1: this country. So the dissidence actually isn't dissidents at all.
Speaker 1: The only reason why we can create separation is because
Speaker 1: we now have an all voluntary military versus where all
Speaker 1: of us could be conscripted into service in this country.
Speaker 1: The end of the conscription allowed a lot of us
Speaker 1: to just turn our heads away from what was happening
Speaker 1: outside of our quote unquote geographical boundaries. But our sons,
Speaker 1: our daughters, our cousins, our nieces and nephews and uncles
Speaker 1: when they get central broad into these senseless wars. I
Speaker 1: remember Obama talking about I have to be able to
Speaker 1: explain to a mother, a father, or sister or brother,
Speaker 1: a daughter, a son, why I sent his father or
Speaker 1: mother to death.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: So it may be an expansion on the warfare that
Speaker 1: we're experiencing on the home front, but these international entrapments,
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like that's the direction we're heading
Speaker 1: here with us on the topic that we just raised.
Speaker 1: This is our children's future, literally those who are in service.
Speaker 1: And then secondarily, the amount of money that we're gonna
Speaker 1: spend there. Imagine how much the United States Congress is
Speaker 1: going to try to claw back and domestic programming and
Speaker 1: programming to assist middle class and striving and working class
Speaker 1: families and poor kids. They're gonna try and claw all
Speaker 1: that back because they let Net and Yahoo lead them
Speaker 1: by the nose into a war that cost us in
Speaker 1: treasure but more importantly cost us in lives. So I
Speaker 1: would just I don't want the conscription back, but I
Speaker 1: would love for us to engage in these kinds of
Speaker 1: conversations and the full awareness that American bodies are online.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just to your to back you up on that,
Speaker 4: Andrew again, I'm not even asking people to do anything.
Speaker 4: I think if the only thing you do is listen
Speaker 4: to us and understand, Oh, this is real serious, what's
Speaker 4: happening on the global stags, that's enough. Never in history
Speaker 4: have we been asked to consume so much information and
Speaker 4: care about it all. That's how we end up caring
Speaker 4: about nothing because it becomes too much. I think right now,
Speaker 4: if you are focused on ices on these streets and
Speaker 4: they're coming in masked men are on behalf of the
Speaker 4: United States government are disappearing people. We are looking again
Speaker 4: at state sponsored violence that black folks know all too
Speaker 4: well because we never had a reprieve from it. We
Speaker 4: never had any relief. So when we see mass men,
Speaker 4: and I think we can't ignore the fact that a
Speaker 4: mass man showed up at two lawmakers' homes and attempted
Speaker 4: to kill them, was successful in the case of the
Speaker 4: former state House speaker and her husband, and was almost
Speaker 4: successful with a host of other people, not just the
Speaker 4: two people he shot, but he showed up at other
Speaker 4: people's homes with the intention of killing him. So you
Speaker 4: think about that, and then think about and we also
Speaker 4: have mass men showing up to courtrooms, kidnapping people, showing
Speaker 4: up to people's homes, kidnapping them, stopping people on the streets,
Speaker 4: kidnapping them, showing them to their jobs, kidnapping them. How
Speaker 4: do I know that you are even entitled to And
Speaker 4: they are arresting which they do not have the right
Speaker 4: to do. They are arresting democratic office holders, as we
Speaker 4: just saw this week in New York with the city
Speaker 4: comptroller who happens to be running for mayor. I just
Speaker 4: not have the authority to arrest the United States citizens.
Speaker 4: When he said that I had to look that up
Speaker 4: to make sure that's you. They don't have that authority.
Speaker 4: So we are looking at if there is a through line,
Speaker 4: we're looking at a potential war with authoritarian regimes while
Speaker 4: at home, and authoritarian regime is taking over our country.
Speaker 4: The irony and hypocrisy right exactly. So everything is on fire.
Speaker 4: So my recommendation is, get a bucket of water and
Speaker 4: throw it at whatever you can. It doesn't have to
Speaker 4: be Iran and the nukes. It don't have to be Ice,
Speaker 4: if it's just cleaning up your neighborhood, if it's just
Speaker 4: going to the school board meeting making sure they don't
Speaker 4: cancel books or cancel history class, or whatever you can do.
Speaker 4: Because I don't even know how we stop this, friend,
Speaker 4: Sheherylyn Eiffel, Yes, Sherilyn Eiffel Well, who is of course
Speaker 4: the former head of the naacp ODF. She acknowledged, I
Speaker 4: don't know that we can stop any of this. I
Speaker 4: don't have a path for it, but I know that
Speaker 4: we have to fight. And she said indifference is obedience
Speaker 4: in advance, and.
Speaker 3: That just stuck with me.
Speaker 4: So if you might be able to kill me, but
Speaker 4: I promise you I'm gonna fight to the death before
Speaker 4: I just lay down and die in whatever capacity I can.
Speaker 1: That's my people did this weekend TIF all over the country. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they said, threatening if you want, this is a democracy.
Speaker 3: And all empires fall. I do feel like we're looking
Speaker 3: at the fall of an empire.
Speaker 4: But for we march right on the other side of
Speaker 4: this break, there is brand new data that is a
Speaker 4: snapshot of how black women are feeling right now.
Speaker 6: We're going to dig into that on the other side.
Speaker 6: Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 4: I am so thrilled to be joined by these guests.
Speaker 4: We have Madame Gabrielle Wyatt joined by Zaddy with a
Speaker 4: z coroneller.
Speaker 3: That it was.
Speaker 5: Why didn't we just walk into Andrew?
Speaker 1: I mean, this thing drops at eleven a m my mother,
Speaker 1: I'm stating.
Speaker 5: My continuing the whole fair from.
Speaker 7: Y'all.
Speaker 3: Don't know the Native had a whole bop.
Speaker 5: After Dark apparently dark uncut.
Speaker 4: But on a serious note, these two teamed up and
Speaker 4: did an amazing poll on how black women feel after
Speaker 4: the election.
Speaker 3: This is speaking right to my heart.
Speaker 4: I'm writing something on this right now, so I'm really
Speaker 4: I was really thrilled to look at the slides and
Speaker 4: I Angela had the great idea to have you both
Speaker 4: on together. Lauren, our executive producer, put these slides on
Speaker 4: our radar, and so I'm just really happy to have
Speaker 4: you both on the show today. And before we get started,
Speaker 4: this may be a little strange, but I'm looking at you, Gabrielle,
Speaker 4: and it is reminding me of someone we we lost.
Speaker 4: But you have a striking, uncanny resemblance. You already know
Speaker 4: what I'm going.
Speaker 3: To say, probably to Ananda Luis. The resemblance is there.
Speaker 4: You obviously get that a lot because you're nodding, but
Speaker 4: you're you're beautiful for the people who are listening.
Speaker 3: You're very beautiful. But yeah, I see that resemblance there.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.
Speaker 8: Thank you for bringing her into this space too.
Speaker 4: Yes, our I p to her. We we love she
Speaker 4: was such a beautiful person in all of our.
Speaker 7: Are Like Denzel, I'm not going to say was understood.
Speaker 4: Doesn't need to be said. I can I can I
Speaker 4: say really quickly though we started okay, wait because this
Speaker 4: is but this is a good story.
Speaker 3: Denzel Uh in the.
Speaker 4: Movie he was playing like a terrorist UH safe house
Speaker 4: and he was doing an interview Cornell already knows the story.
Speaker 4: He was doing an interview and they asked him, like,
Speaker 4: who was your inspiration to play this crazy sociopath.
Speaker 3: Cornell Voucher?
Speaker 4: He really, he said Cornell, but because he tried to
Speaker 4: do his hair like Cornell, so he like had his
Speaker 4: hair out in salt and pepper. He literally Cornell all
Speaker 4: with the influencer.
Speaker 7: Look, I know psycho path right, that's that's really cool, I.
Speaker 5: Might say sociopath. We love Cortnell. He is brilliantly. We
Speaker 5: have a lot of data to get into minutes because
Speaker 5: they got to go. But that was a fifteen minute intro. Okay,
Speaker 5: I know, Sorry, I can't be trusted anymore, and I
Speaker 5: really can't. You know, I got a d D. So
Speaker 5: I was right with you. Okay, So I want I
Speaker 5: want you all to just to give us the top
Speaker 5: lines about this poll. Why this poll?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 5: I think black women are probably like, we know how
Speaker 5: we feel, but it's important, I think in so many
Speaker 5: spaces where our voices are not lifted up and elevated
Speaker 5: to bring attention to how we're feeling and how we're responding.
Speaker 5: Because it's not just a despondent this is our feeling.
Speaker 5: This is what we're this is where we're at. There's
Speaker 5: also a response happening, so talk about why this poll
Speaker 5: and why now? Yeah, I can start and Cornell definitely
Speaker 5: jump in.
Speaker 8: You know, we teamed up beginning in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 8: and it's for the same reason that we said we
Speaker 8: were going to keep going this year, which was we
Speaker 8: know we are not listened to and centered in data,
Speaker 8: and that it's not just that we're not listened to,
Speaker 8: but our experiences aren't valued holistically nor equally compared to others.
Speaker 8: And as I think about this moment, many said, Gabrielle Cornell,
Speaker 8: why are you going to do it again?
Speaker 5: We already know how we feel.
Speaker 8: And for me, it was important one in a time
Speaker 8: where so much of rasure is happening, that we continue
Speaker 8: to build one of the largest archives of the experiences
Speaker 8: of black women and not just the day to day
Speaker 8: but our dreams and aspirations. That's one of the most
Speaker 8: beautiful parts about this partnership with Cornell, and perhaps most
Speaker 8: unexpected for others to hear, is how many dreams we
Speaker 8: have heard over twenty twenty one. And you can first
Speaker 8: look at this year and say there's no dreaming happening Gabrielle.
Speaker 8: But when I see that black women are continuing to
Speaker 8: name that the future is most important for little ones
Speaker 8: and we've got to figure this shit out, that is dreaming.
Speaker 8: That's evidence of dreaming. And I would say the second
Speaker 8: is the reminder to all of us here and listening
Speaker 8: of we're not a monolith. And that's why we had
Speaker 8: a responsibility to listen again this year and continue. And
Speaker 8: I hope the way I'm waking up this morning is
Speaker 8: I hope that as black women read this data, as.
Speaker 5: They hear other stories, that they.
Speaker 8: Remember they're not alone. And so I wake up every
Speaker 8: day primarily in rooms like this. Not every black woman
Speaker 8: or girl does, And so I hope that when she
Speaker 8: reads this and sees that folks their mental health is
Speaker 8: worse off, that she knows she's not alone, and how
Speaker 8: she's feeling that day too, I love that.
Speaker 7: I would say, well, first, I think we ought to
Speaker 7: give big ups to Gabrielle and what she's doing at
Speaker 7: the Highland Produce, because she is making a space for
Speaker 7: women and their voices and their stories, and she's doing
Speaker 7: a remarkable She's doing a remarkable job, and the importance
Speaker 7: of this is voice. Look, data for me is not
Speaker 7: just data, It is stories. It is people's voices. And Gabrielle,
Speaker 7: you'll remember from one I think the comments we got
Speaker 7: back as we put out the data was a thank
Speaker 7: you because from someone who says often I don't feel
Speaker 7: my voice is heard or the voice of black women
Speaker 7: aren't heard. Right, So this is telling Black women stories
Speaker 7: and we are demanding that these stories be heard and
Speaker 7: their voices be heard. And that's what this data is.
Speaker 7: So I hold data is sort of sacred because it
Speaker 7: is because it's people. There are people in voices behind
Speaker 7: this data. And look, there's not a lot of organizations
Speaker 7: out there, you know, doing large sample sizes of just
Speaker 7: African American women, right. You know you all know this
Speaker 7: because you're all political hacks in some way, shape, form
Speaker 7: or fashion. But in most of these national polls you
Speaker 7: get out, you know, you may have sixty or seven
Speaker 7: the African American women in there, right, so it's not
Speaker 7: a robust sample of African American women, but sort of
Speaker 7: really focus on these African American women. And look, the
Speaker 7: and we're not in the Highland Group project is not partisan.
Speaker 7: But since the press, since the election, you do have
Speaker 7: a deep sense of from these women and from the
Speaker 7: day to day literally say we feel like we're going
Speaker 7: backwards and the economic angst is real. Look, you know,
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty four, forty percent of African American women
Speaker 7: said that the economic conditions in the country are getting worse. Today,
Speaker 7: that's eighty seven, right, It's near universally felt that by
Speaker 7: these African American women, that that the overall economy is
Speaker 7: getting worse. Right, and you and in twenty twenty four
Speaker 7: when we did this, you know, you, we had just
Speaker 7: thirty seven percent of African American women saying they felt
Speaker 7: that they were falling behind their economic conditions, they were
Speaker 7: falling behind economically. Now you have a majority of fifty
Speaker 7: seven percent of African American women say that they are
Speaker 7: falling behind economically. Right, So we have a tremendous shift
Speaker 7: of what's happening with African American women. And as Gabrielle
Speaker 7: talked about, right, we even delved into questions around mental
Speaker 7: health and they and they and they and they talk
Speaker 7: about sort of how their their mental health is is
Speaker 7: worse off now and how so many of them are
Speaker 7: pulling back even from from from news sources because quite frankly, uh,
Speaker 7: it makes it makes them depressed. So we got to
Speaker 7: give voice to this.
Speaker 4: I think that's so profound what you said, because you know,
Speaker 4: this data feels like home to us, because these are
Speaker 4: the conversations that we're having at brunches, in our group
Speaker 4: chats when we connect and convene, and certainly right here
Speaker 4: on Native lampod we've revisited this. Why the focus on
Speaker 4: black women as opposed to black men? And if you
Speaker 4: have done any of that kind of research, Cornell, which
Speaker 4: I imagine you have, is there a lot of daylight
Speaker 4: between us and our beloved count parts and their outlook
Speaker 4: on the country.
Speaker 7: Well, I can we curse on this podcast? This is
Speaker 7: you know, this is a gross I'm still sick of
Speaker 7: a narrative about so trying to pit African American men
Speaker 7: versus African American women. Right, if you look at the
Speaker 7: history of this, go back to Carter, Right, you have
Speaker 7: roughly anywhere between twelve and nineteen percent of African Americans
Speaker 7: voting Republican. So you had roughly thirteen fourteen percent of
Speaker 7: African Americans voting Republican this past time around. And there's
Speaker 7: always a gender gap, right, men vote more Republican than
Speaker 7: women do. In every ethnic demographic group there is. You
Speaker 7: know who has the smallest difference between how their men
Speaker 7: and women vote, Black men. The difference between how black
Speaker 7: men and Black women vote as less than five points.
Speaker 7: That is, that is the lowest. That that's the lowest
Speaker 7: there is. But it's ideal that somehow, you know, black
Speaker 7: men are behaving dramatically different than than than the Black
Speaker 7: women in their community. We're both seeing the threats to
Speaker 7: our community and we're both frustrated with what's happening politically.
Speaker 7: I think is I think it's a it's a it's
Speaker 7: it's a narrative that I think is it's it's diabolical,
Speaker 7: and we've got to push We've got to push back
Speaker 7: on it. I'm less worried about you know, thirteen or
Speaker 7: fourteen percent of African American men voting Republican that I
Speaker 7: am the forty percent who just are so discouraged by
Speaker 7: politics and part and and that nothing changes that they
Speaker 7: don't turn out. That's the difference between winning elections and
Speaker 7: losing elections. Not between two three percent difference between how
Speaker 7: Black men and Black women vote. It is the overwhelming
Speaker 7: lack of turnout that we've been seeing among younger voters
Speaker 7: and also voters of color, which quite frankly cost Harris
Speaker 7: the election a lot more so than this ideal that
Speaker 7: somehow we got to win back working class white people,
Speaker 7: non college white people, by the way, a group that
Speaker 7: has not broken for Democrats in any real way in
Speaker 7: three or four in three or four decades. And you
Speaker 7: know what percentage of non college white men, non college
Speaker 7: white voters, Harris Scott got the same percentage that that
Speaker 7: Biden did on his way to winning. Right, that's not
Speaker 7: the that's not the focus. We've got to energize and
Speaker 7: mobilize and bring these people into the process.
Speaker 3: It perpetuates a narrative that the working class is white
Speaker 3: or right exactly, Sorry, I interrupted, do you go.
Speaker 1: In No, no, no, I just I'm glad that the Accordnell.
Speaker 1: One of the things I reflect on when I think
Speaker 1: about the twenty and twenty four election is how many
Speaker 1: black men actually feel proud to finally be able to
Speaker 1: be asked the question about what they thought and what
Speaker 1: they believed. And I think some of that started to
Speaker 1: then deepen sort of this narrative that black men are
Speaker 1: here and black women are there and I think that's
Speaker 1: one of the things that this study helps to kind
Speaker 1: of go directly to the point, which is you need
Speaker 1: to know what black women think, and not just so
Speaker 1: that they can end up in your speech, but so
Speaker 1: that your public policy starts to reflect some of these concerns.
Speaker 1: And I wonder who should we want to be hearing
Speaker 1: from right now and quoting you all's brilliant work when
Speaker 1: it comes to the public policy agenda that is going
Speaker 1: to put progressive thinkers like myself back in charge because
Speaker 1: all I hear is an anti Trump narrative, and I
Speaker 1: can't wait for the construction of why don't we take
Speaker 1: our best assets right? The folks who win, they're not
Speaker 1: with us, drag Whoever the Democrat is at the helm right,
Speaker 1: their pole numbers shatter when black women and black men
Speaker 1: aren't there. So do you feel a sense of an
Speaker 1: early formation of that? What does the take back agenda
Speaker 1: look like for this country if it doesn't include hook
Speaker 1: line and sinker, which you all have identified here as
Speaker 1: the highest priority concerns that black women are reflecting, which
Speaker 1: I would say also encompasses what black men often think about.
Speaker 7: I want to say that I'm gonna throw it to
Speaker 7: Gabriel because I want black women to talk more than
Speaker 7: than than than black men about this, about this. But
Speaker 7: but black power starts with black women. It just does, right.
Speaker 7: There is no black power movement in this country without
Speaker 7: black women being upfront and and making that happen, because
Speaker 7: they are the most likely, they're they're most they're far
Speaker 7: more likely to vote. And this is what I tell
Speaker 7: any campaign, y'all.
Speaker 5: Cut that clip.
Speaker 7: I tell any campaign, and you know this from your
Speaker 7: even campaign, like if if black women, if black women
Speaker 7: galvanize around you, the community will follow right so first
Speaker 7: and foremost for anyone out there. And I tell Cann
Speaker 7: this all this time. You know, if if, if you,
Speaker 7: if black women get behind you, the community will will follow.
Speaker 7: And so I think that's so important to centralize this
Speaker 7: ideal of black power. I'm sorry, guys, but it does
Speaker 7: have to be centralized black black women because they are
Speaker 7: voting in such higher, high, higher, higher numbers and turning
Speaker 7: out in so much higher numbers. And women, by the way,
Speaker 7: you're the you're more, you're the majority. It's not us men.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, Geb. I'm gonna start talking now.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, I'll listen to you. My brother, I would
Speaker 8: say that what's been on my mind is what Cornell
Speaker 8: didn't mention, was like, everyone is naming that this is
Speaker 8: an unfair and rig system when we look at this
Speaker 8: data and we know that that is true on the
Speaker 8: other side, not only for black men, but my hunters,
Speaker 8: for the majority of Americans. And I share that because
Speaker 8: one of the reasons we started this journey was so
Speaker 8: many funders were saying to me that wealth is only
Speaker 8: about becoming a billionaire. And I said, that's not true,
Speaker 8: and I'm going to prove it. I'm going to prove
Speaker 8: it to you that wealth is more than currency. And
Speaker 8: when I look at the last five years, black women
Speaker 8: have named an expansive vision of wealth. They said, it's
Speaker 8: about choice. We want choice beyond a zero sum game.
Speaker 8: We want financial freedom, we want belonging, and we want
Speaker 8: thriving health. And I'm naming those pieces because I think
Speaker 8: a lot of Americans, perhaps I eagerly I think this
Speaker 8: want those four same things and are pointing to an
Speaker 8: unfair and rig system as one of the leading causes.
Speaker 8: I think that in this moment, it's a mistake for
Speaker 8: any leader, regardless of politic regardless of sector, to look
Speaker 8: at what we heard and think that black women are
Speaker 8: showing up in the same way. Because we heard that
Speaker 8: a majority of fifty five percent of black women and
Speaker 8: are naming we have to fight for our rights and
Speaker 8: build a future. Yes, we are naming that, but we're
Speaker 8: building very differently right And so I think I'm curious
Speaker 8: Cornell and I are in a conversation last week where
Speaker 8: a sister of ours said, because I'm not putting money
Speaker 8: forward in a campaign in the same way that I
Speaker 8: did before, and so I'm naming that because I think
Speaker 8: of risk in looking at this information is that folks
Speaker 8: remain comfortable that they make the assumption that Black women
Speaker 8: are showing up in the same way when they see
Speaker 8: that data point. And I think that that would be
Speaker 8: a poor decision for anyone in their seem to make
Speaker 8: or core.
Speaker 1: Is there optimism out there? Do you have optimism that
Speaker 1: some folks are catching the give us the early tea
Speaker 1: leaves of how the data's landed with the donor class
Speaker 1: and the leading class, who often frankly go to data
Speaker 1: to shape their framework of how to move forward.
Speaker 5: Cautiously optimistic, and in a moment I will make consciously optimistic.
Speaker 8: I think that what feels different this year is that
Speaker 8: we can show scale, that we're showing scale and the
Speaker 8: lived experiences, and that we're freaking consistent as black women.
Speaker 8: We're not all of a sudden naming that we're concerned
Speaker 8: about the future. We're not all the sudden becoming folks
Speaker 8: who are about rooted in love, rooted injustice, rooted.
Speaker 5: And fairness right.
Speaker 8: And I'm naming that because in the world I sit
Speaker 8: in of watching philanthropy ping pong words around and strategies
Speaker 8: around right now, which is part of the reason why
Speaker 8: we're in this mess is we, as long as black women,
Speaker 8: have always taken an emergent view of the future. And
Speaker 8: so I think that's where I have cautious optimism, is
Speaker 8: that the funder class is seeing consistency, seeing consistency, that
Speaker 8: the same values are leading our work, seeing consistency that
Speaker 8: we are not just human beings who are survivors, but
Speaker 8: human beings who want to thrive and have stories of thriving,
Speaker 8: and we're going to get there. I'm curious there seems
Speaker 8: to be this narrative that you know, black women, by extension,
Speaker 8: black folks we mine in our business. You know that
Speaker 8: we are like wiping our hands, We're done with this place.
Speaker 8: It's anecdotal.
Speaker 4: We see that in comments on our respective social medias
Speaker 4: and certainly in Native Land as a whole. I've seen
Speaker 4: maybe black faces who might be less connected to the
Speaker 4: community regurgitate this narrative on air, and I'm curious, as
Speaker 4: I look at your data, it seems to poke holes
Speaker 4: in that theory.
Speaker 3: Can you talk to that?
Speaker 8: This was one of our favorite co collaborations of last yours.
Speaker 8: Cornell and I wanted to unpack the meme of black
Speaker 8: women sitting on the building right with the fire behind us,
Speaker 8: And so that's why we ask the question right of
Speaker 8: like the world's on fire, are you moving or are
Speaker 8: you resting? And so that's where we heard the majority
Speaker 8: of fifty five percent are naming. No, We're focused on
Speaker 8: protection and building. But I think what's been unique in
Speaker 8: the community conversations we've had since releasing the data is
Speaker 8: the nuance behind what does it mean to continue to build?
Speaker 8: And so you are here, I hear every day the
Speaker 8: leaders that I serve name. I didn't react to immediately
Speaker 8: go to a protest this time because I'm actually saving
Speaker 8: my energy for this marathon of X right and so
Speaker 8: I think that the lesson learned and that our community
Speaker 8: holds sacred is that if Black women aren't sustained, our
Speaker 8: homes aren't sustained, our communities aren't sustained. And so when
Speaker 8: we say rest, I believe that in that fifty five percent,
Speaker 8: women are also resting. But they're resting not from a
Speaker 8: definition of opting out. They're resting from my coach said
Speaker 8: to me the other day. You rest so that your
Speaker 8: nervous system can actually make meaning and actually dream again
Speaker 8: and have the power again, the energy again to pursue change.
Speaker 8: And so I think it's nuanced when you go to
Speaker 8: the layers beneath of the choices folks are making so
Speaker 8: that they can show up more holly for the future
Speaker 8: they really believe in, instead of getting called to city
Speaker 8: Hall every day to stand outside with the sign.
Speaker 1: Yeah I think, I know you'll have a hard out,
Speaker 1: but I have. Oh I'm sorry, go no please.
Speaker 7: I was going to go really quickly because I want
Speaker 7: to reinforce what Gabrielle is saying there, but I also
Speaker 7: want to bring in that I'm suspicious of this narrative. Also,
Speaker 7: I'm suspicious of what's driving this narrative because I see
Speaker 7: it on social media all the time, and it is
Speaker 7: like Black people need to pull back and pull out
Speaker 7: and not be a part of the sort of process
Speaker 7: as a plow conversation, and we just need to let
Speaker 7: the world, you know, move without without us. You know, yes,
Speaker 7: we need rest. But also listen, no one on this
Speaker 7: this this stream right now would would be here if
Speaker 7: if if our grandmothers are our grand great grandmothers said
Speaker 7: you know what, we're we're going to pull back from
Speaker 7: the world because because of racism or because of any
Speaker 7: of these isms. And certainly we all know that the
Speaker 7: black community is the is the canarian the coal mine.
Speaker 7: Right We've generation upon generations of Black women and black
Speaker 7: men who've had to fight and choose a lesser of
Speaker 7: two evils and navigate this landscape. And so I'm also
Speaker 7: so I'm I'm for rest, but I'm also a little
Speaker 7: suspicious of who's of some of the some of what's
Speaker 7: been happening with this narrative, because I think it's self
Speaker 7: defeating and I think it plays in the hands of
Speaker 7: the enemies of our community and the other sort of
Speaker 7: the thing that's the thing striking about this data is
Speaker 7: is in Gabrielle Backman. This is like, well, fifty seven
Speaker 7: percent of African American women say that they experienced racism
Speaker 7: often in their lives. That's just start startling. And and
Speaker 7: you know, and and and racism and discrimination is one
Speaker 7: of their top obstacles they name as one of the
Speaker 7: top obstacles to getting ahead or or or or or freedom.
Speaker 7: So we're faced with, as we know, this existential racist
Speaker 7: threat from that from white nationalism right now. So I
Speaker 7: really question this idea of where some of this is
Speaker 7: coming from. Is ideal that, Okay, we just got to
Speaker 7: pull back from the world right now when the world
Speaker 7: when when white nationalism is on the march, it's kind
Speaker 7: of we've got to pull back from the world right now.
Speaker 1: Right Yeah, And whose algorithms are keeping that feed going?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: Who's in charge of that narrative being? But I know
Speaker 1: who is probably in charge of this color scheme of
Speaker 1: this poll. And I'm curious to know what inspired this
Speaker 1: ivy green and very blush pink.
Speaker 3: Uh this is.
Speaker 8: And I have come because we used to operate in
Speaker 8: his power points and this year.
Speaker 5: We're in Canaba and launched.
Speaker 8: If you go to our Instagram, you'll see we actually
Speaker 8: have no graphs at all the beautiful artwork that juxtapposes
Speaker 8: the grief with black girl joy.
Speaker 3: So thank you for poting that out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought, I thought, uh, Vice Presid Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris with particularly appreciate Yeah, uh the schematics here. But
Speaker 1: but y'all are y'all are really honing in on some
Speaker 1: important work. And I just I hope that it continues
Speaker 1: to reverberate and lift and almost past Donor class because
Speaker 1: I'm kind of over it. I was in the pitching
Speaker 1: world for a very long time and it made me
Speaker 1: sick that this room of of of aging largely white
Speaker 1: liberals who were well intentioned and you know to the
Speaker 1: extent that that yeah toward their giving, but oftentimes took
Speaker 1: a very sort of where the parent in the room
Speaker 1: approach to what's important, what isn't important, what elected is
Speaker 1: the right one, which one isn't. But that hopefully this
Speaker 1: data continues, and I know it to be true because
Speaker 1: I live with a black woman who is at an
Speaker 1: organizational meeting practically every night right doing something for an
Speaker 1: organization that builds her and our family and strengthen us
Speaker 1: and girds us up. So almost time out for the poohbahs.
Speaker 1: Let the people you know accelerate this thing. And I
Speaker 1: appreciate y'all putting that narrative really front and center your voices.
Speaker 1: They don't decide that it matters, they matter because y'all matter. Period.
Speaker 4: Enough said, I love that Well will certainly make these
Speaker 4: slides available. They will definitely be referenced in what I'm writing.
Speaker 4: So I appreciate you both. And it's a reunion here.
Speaker 4: We're so excited to welcome you into the folds, Gab.
Speaker 4: But I also all of us, Angela, Andrew, and I
Speaker 4: have either.
Speaker 3: Worked with or for.
Speaker 4: Again, I'm not gonna do as anything, but I'm just
Speaker 4: saying we all have a relationship with Cornell. I worked
Speaker 4: for Cornell in the two thousand and seven during the administration.
Speaker 3: Cornell was just.
Speaker 4: Yes, Cornelle got Obama elected. But also, Andrew, you worked
Speaker 4: with Cornell on your campaign. Angela, you've worked with Cornell,
Speaker 4: so it's just.
Speaker 7: Nice to me that campaign. That's how that's just let's
Speaker 7: this is yeah, this is that's how black power, black
Speaker 7: politics is supposed to work.
Speaker 4: Yes, as as a wise man on this podcast might say,
Speaker 4: you have to be.
Speaker 3: Nation, so we are all nation. We are all nations.
Speaker 4: So thank you guys for doing this beautiful, insightful piece
Speaker 4: of work. May it spread wide. Like I said, it
Speaker 4: would certainly be referenced here, and I'm gonna personally pull
Speaker 4: some of these slides and explore them deeper and will
Speaker 4: follow up with you all directly if I have any
Speaker 4: more questions. This is great, but it's really a great
Speaker 4: service you're providing to not just black women, but people
Speaker 4: with an intellectual curiosity about their fellow countrymen, white folks,
Speaker 4: please tune.
Speaker 3: In Jesus right, anybody who's running a campaign.
Speaker 4: You know, it was sad that there were people who
Speaker 4: had to run a shadow operation on the Kamala Harris
Speaker 4: campaign to reach some of these demographics. And to your point, Andrew,
Speaker 4: this donor class that is largely white and male, it
Speaker 4: is time to be disrupted. As is the narrative that
Speaker 4: black women are sitting home getting manicures while the world burns.
Speaker 4: None of that is true. The devil is a lie.
Speaker 4: As they said, Yeah, yeah, welcome. Thank you guys for
Speaker 4: taking time out of your busy schedules joining us. This
Speaker 4: is great and we look forward to welcome you all
Speaker 4: both back soon.
Speaker 3: Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 5: Thank you all.
Speaker 1: This doesn't have to be recorded, but I do think
Speaker 1: I agree with Cornell on you know, women have always
Speaker 1: sort of been forbearers in our community as a relations
Speaker 1: sort of set in the tone, but it also disregards
Speaker 1: the structural ways in which men have been taken out
Speaker 1: Where black men were working, they were leading, they were assisting,
Speaker 1: they were partners, they were going through the ballot with
Speaker 1: their with their spouses and family members, and that threat
Speaker 1: right that the that then got diagnosed by the government
Speaker 1: and by white supremacists then created a structure that systematically
Speaker 1: removed us from Yes.
Speaker 9: So that's not to take anything away, it's simply to
Speaker 9: say that that that reality exists not only because but
Speaker 9: also so in part to the fact that black men
Speaker 9: have been structurally leveled.
Speaker 4: I think that's such a great point that you bring up.
Speaker 4: Their policies were an impediment to our partnership and our
Speaker 4: love in the nineteen seventies when they essentially expelled black
Speaker 4: men from the home, particularly for impoverished black women who
Speaker 4: needed support right, who needed support, who were oppressed, who
Speaker 4: had been laid off, who had been routinely victimized by
Speaker 4: this country. They said, okay, we'll give you a few coins,
Speaker 4: but you got to kick that man out the house.
Speaker 4: We cannot give you support. With the rise of you know,
Speaker 4: the different movements, you know, the Black Panther movement where
Speaker 4: they jailed entire generations of thought leaders, thinkers, doers, act
Speaker 4: of this geniuses. Even in the nineteen eighties when the
Speaker 4: CIA morphed in the Nino Brown and pumped drugs into
Speaker 4: our communities and destroyed our men, and then the nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety these when they gave us mandatory minimum. So I
Speaker 4: hear you, and I know that black men have been
Speaker 4: most certainly uh just disrespected, oppressed, uh murdered by the state,
Speaker 4: a bunch of things.
Speaker 1: So and those who survive it should be you know,
Speaker 1: like you actually are surviving something. You're surviving a set
Speaker 1: of structures, just as black women are structures that are
Speaker 1: on your collapse. They're designed for.
Speaker 5: Us, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeahiating And even but even before that, because you're
Speaker 4: the father of two boys, even that, the idea of
Speaker 4: how we treat our we started out young. We banish
Speaker 4: our boys to remedial classes who don't need to be there,
Speaker 4: and we you know, fund and fill this school to
Speaker 4: prison pipeline. So from from prisons to to pedagogy, we
Speaker 4: are setting some black men up for failure. So we
Speaker 4: do not ever want to overlook that. But what I
Speaker 4: would say though, to our beloved others out there, is
Speaker 4: just because something is celebrating Black women, because we so
Speaker 4: often feel the least loved, it does not mean is
Speaker 4: putting down black men, like let us have our love,
Speaker 4: you know if we say something like and I know
Speaker 4: you do all the time, Andrew, But there's a whole
Speaker 4: host of people out there who are so traumatized, who
Speaker 4: are in so much pain, who are so hurt, and
Speaker 4: they listen to these podcasts bros. And they ascribe to
Speaker 4: these very toxic belief systems. They feel entitled to women
Speaker 4: who you know, they they have not earned, and it
Speaker 4: just creates for a toxic landscape of our love. And
Speaker 4: the only thing that we that gave us the tools
Speaker 4: to survive this four hundred plus year or nightmare was
Speaker 4: the love we have for each other. And right now
Speaker 4: policies are DISTI descentivizing, disincentivizing that love. And so I
Speaker 4: think it's such a wise point that you brought up,
Speaker 4: and we have to acknowledge the political infrastructure that harmed us.
Speaker 4: We should maybe talk about this a little bit on
Speaker 4: the mini pod. I know we said leadership, but then
Speaker 4: we have love and I kind of feel like these
Speaker 4: two intersect the bit.
Speaker 5: So when we come back from this break, we're going
Speaker 5: to get into our calls to action. If you like
Speaker 5: that interview, though, please make sure you hit us with
Speaker 5: the five stars and like and subscribe. Take your mama,
Speaker 5: tell your friends, tell all of them. Hi, guys, I'm back.
Speaker 5: I would love for you all to if you watch
Speaker 5: this show on Juneteenth. By the way, happy Juneteenth week,
Speaker 5: Freedom Day Week for all of us. We would love
Speaker 5: for you to join us in Baltimore. If you're not
Speaker 5: going to hear this in time, because Tiffany will be
Speaker 5: mad if I don't say that you don't hear it
Speaker 5: in time, then please make sure that you log onto
Speaker 5: Stateoftheppo dot com and check out our more than thirty
Speaker 5: black papers Shout out to doctor David Johns, who's runn
Speaker 5: our black Papers Policy Initiative. Y'all, I printed everything out.
Speaker 5: We're at six hundred and seventy four pages and so
Speaker 5: take it in bite size. There's a reason why we
Speaker 5: release them two by two and three by three. We
Speaker 5: want you to slowly look at them all. They're very digestible,
Speaker 5: written for an eighth grade reading level. But still, if
Speaker 5: you don't feel seen or hurt, holler at us at hello,
Speaker 5: at STATEUFDEPPL dot com. And speaking of hollering at us,
Speaker 5: my other call to action is, we don't have nary
Speaker 5: a listening question this week, and Tiff is going to
Speaker 5: say it's because we haven't been answering and listening questions.
Speaker 5: So I want y'all to send in your comments and
Speaker 5: your questions. And if you agree with me that you
Speaker 5: trying to figure out how we gonna handle what's going
Speaker 5: on domestically. So you a little foggy about international affairs,
Speaker 5: holler at me so I know I'm not by myself
Speaker 5: that's on my CDAs.
Speaker 1: And then say I know why it's relevant.
Speaker 9: Or not.
Speaker 1: Maybe My CTA, y'all is when we make a demand,
Speaker 1: let's follow it all the way through times a conclusion
Speaker 1: so that demand might be you know, already decided, already declared.
Speaker 1: I know people who thought they knew the conclusion to
Speaker 1: some stories, uh, and so they let their foot off
Speaker 1: the gas. You just never know what can happen if
Speaker 1: you're if you are in this and if in case
Speaker 1: it's a mystery of FAMU is on my mind. Our
Speaker 1: HBCUs are on my mind. They may be in the
Speaker 1: positions of power to do what they want to do
Speaker 1: at this time, but I want to underscore at this
Speaker 1: time because so long as there is still time, there's
Speaker 1: still another battle to be waged. And I like, I understand,
Speaker 1: I'm a respectable person. I understand respectability politics. But when
Speaker 1: the moment shifts and our communities in our country like
Speaker 1: it has right now, I think our disposition has to
Speaker 1: shift as well. So I was just as folks, instead
Speaker 1: of criticizing the people who are going hard for their demand,
Speaker 1: that if you make a demand, that you stand in
Speaker 1: that demand and you fight like hell to see it met.
Speaker 1: The damn to be honest with you with respectability.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: I love that I had another call to action, but
Speaker 4: it's too long, so I think I might save it
Speaker 4: for the mini pod. And now I feel bad because
Speaker 4: the call to action I have left is pretty selfish
Speaker 4: because it's all about me. My call to action is
Speaker 4: my friend Jackie Reid. You guys, remember Jackie. It's like
Speaker 4: the first black woman I saw doing news for us
Speaker 4: by us, so I was a fan before she became
Speaker 4: a friend.
Speaker 3: But she is.
Speaker 4: She never tells anyone her age, so I'm gonna guess
Speaker 4: that Jackie's thirty five, even though that would make her
Speaker 4: ten years younger than me. But she looks amazing and
Speaker 4: she's into wellness, and she is a vegan, and so
Speaker 4: she has convinced me to try to go vegan.
Speaker 3: I'm not. I have not done it yet. I'm inching
Speaker 3: my way there.
Speaker 4: We both love love, love animals, and I'm just I've
Speaker 4: never been like a big meat eater anyway. So my
Speaker 4: call to action is words of encouragement, ideas for all
Speaker 4: of you all out there who are vegans. Have great
Speaker 4: vegan recipes, like how do you go through life without
Speaker 4: using any animal products? Which I'm completely open to. The
Speaker 4: One thing I think I miss immensely I would miss
Speaker 4: is cheese. I love cheese. So like, what do you
Speaker 4: do if you if you go vegan? Just give me
Speaker 4: any thoughts and ideas y'all have that vegan life because
Speaker 4: a lot of I love seeing all these black folks
Speaker 4: who are growing their own vegetables and these amazing recipes.
Speaker 4: Oyster mushrooms are so good, like all the stuff y'all
Speaker 4: are doing, So put me on game.
Speaker 3: That's that's my.
Speaker 1: Finding our restaurants when we travel. I'm good.
Speaker 4: I consider everybody's dietary preferences and so I am always
Speaker 4: happy to be in charge of food when we leave. Also,
Speaker 4: I'm trying to lose some weight, so the vegan, but
Speaker 4: vegan doesn't mean you lose weight.
Speaker 3: You can still.
Speaker 5: Heavy heavy on the carbs being vegan. Mostly I gained
Speaker 5: weight se because rise. That's it's hard. The protein pieces. Yes,
Speaker 5: they try to make me seem like you can use
Speaker 5: butterfly pee powder.
Speaker 1: You can. My mama raised me.
Speaker 3: I like, I like.
Speaker 5: Drink, But you're not about eats and cheap peas every day.
Speaker 3: It's I'm not. I'm not, this is true.
Speaker 4: But I do go weeks without fish, so I think
Speaker 4: I could give a fish.
Speaker 3: I just don't know what else like. I don't miss
Speaker 3: meat at all. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to y'all thoughts anyway. This is why
Speaker 4: I need you all to tell a friend about this show,
Speaker 4: because I'm sure there are a whole lot of Eagans
Speaker 4: out there who have not yet discovered native lamp.
Speaker 3: Pods game so they can put me on game.
Speaker 4: So tell your friends and for all y'all who do listen,
Speaker 4: please be sure. I know y'all listen, but make sure
Speaker 4: you subscribe because that way you get these episodes already
Speaker 4: downloaded in those phones. And when you pick up that
Speaker 4: phone and text that man, you know you ain't got
Speaker 4: no business texting and you see, oh you know what,
Speaker 4: never mind because it's a new episode of Native Lamp Pod.
Speaker 4: So I could listen to that instead of texting his
Speaker 4: dusty ass. You'll give me some encouragement in that area too.
Speaker 5: You want toes we see and keep your the non dusties,
Speaker 5: We love you. Keep your question Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Welcome home, everybody, and Welcome home.
Speaker 4: New episodes of Native lamp Pid drop every Thursday. Thank
Speaker 4: y'all for jumping right on it. When it drops on
Speaker 4: Thursdays and Fridays. You can catch our Mini Pod and
Speaker 4: Solo pods on Monday and Tuesday is every other Monday
Speaker 4: for some I don't know, just check and see because
Speaker 4: the body, the body has taken over. But you can
Speaker 4: also also want y'all to check out other shows on
Speaker 4: Reason Choice Media. Check out My Girl Jamil Hills politics.
Speaker 4: I love Jamil. I think she's like the coolest person.
Speaker 4: I want to be Jamail sometimes I'm not even gonna
Speaker 4: lie like I want to talk about sports and I want.
Speaker 5: To be likedays sports expert. What do you think about
Speaker 5: what you think about the series?
Speaker 4: First of all, Lord, I did not know that there
Speaker 4: was a team in Oklahoma City, So this is yeah, until.
Speaker 5: This is you know Oklahoma City is in. You know
Speaker 5: who they're playing against.
Speaker 4: They are playing against Dick Cheney's Halliburton, who plays for
Speaker 4: the Pacers. And that's how I remember because I every
Speaker 4: time I hear Halliburton, I think of Dick Cheney.
Speaker 3: If you're not old enough, then you know what.
Speaker 5: Let me tell you about your sports expertise and why
Speaker 5: it matters.
Speaker 3: I'm getting up there, welcome home.
Speaker 5: You have a way of connecting people to other dots
Speaker 5: that they need to know about outside of sports. So
Speaker 5: when they get your sports expertise, there's this broader experience
Speaker 5: that they.
Speaker 1: Have generous with it. You're generous.
Speaker 5: Nobody asked. It's beautiful, but I love that. Normally, would
Speaker 5: I try to do get tipped with the gotcha questions?
Speaker 5: She's ready, So the Pacers said, Okasey, you know who's ahead.
Speaker 4: I do, but I don't want to ruin it for
Speaker 4: people who have it on DVR because they might not
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You're not wanting lines.
Speaker 5: Maybe they can just bet on you. You're a betting woman.
Speaker 5: Who you got in the series?
Speaker 3: Who has more poems?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 3: Who has more backing?
Speaker 1: Who y'all got down there? You got any bodies last week?
Speaker 4: I don't know I whoever? Whoever got the cutest single daddies.
Speaker 5: The fact that you said single daddy says just aged
Speaker 5: just out of this conversation.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: Anyway, guys, thank you so much for tuning, and don't
Speaker 4: forget to follow us on social media and subscribe to
Speaker 4: our text or email us at nativeland dot com. We
Speaker 4: are your host, Angela Rice If and he crosses Andrew Gill,
Speaker 4: Welcome home, y'all. There are five hundred in two days
Speaker 4: until mid term elections.
Speaker 3: Thank you Andrew for talking to.
Speaker 7: The whole Welcome people, Welcome home, y'all, ain't welcome morning see.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining the Natives. Attention of what the
Speaker 2: info and all of the latest Roy Gillem and cross
Speaker 2: connected to the statements that you leave on our socials.
Speaker 2: Thank you sincerely for the patients. Reason for your choice
Speaker 2: is clear, so grateful it took the execute roads. Thank
Speaker 2: you for serve, defend, and protect the truth even in paint.
Speaker 2: Welcome home to all of the natives wait.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Native Lampard is a production of iHeart Radio in partnership
Speaker 5: with Reason Choice Media. For more podcasts from iHeart Radio,
Speaker 5: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen
Speaker 5: to your favorite shows.