1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of The Doug Gottlieb 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Box Sports Radio. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: boxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR Boom, What Up America, 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show, Fuck Sports Radio. We're trendsetting here in 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: the DG Show. We're doing stuff differently. We're trying things 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: that others won't try and others won't do. Welcome in. 10 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: You know, there's some text change. You get on and 11 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: you're like, I just can't like, somebody find a way 12 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: to meet this check chain. There's some text change. You're like, 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: this is awesome. I'm looking at my text chain last 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: night and it suddenly became a hockey night in America, 15 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: in America. That was good. So yeah, we're going to 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: start the show talking about the hockey a A welcome in. 17 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: Don't worry. Don't worry. We got some Joe Flacco talking 18 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: about TikTok dancing. Eddie House is going to join us, 19 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: of course, he's the two thousand and eight NBA Championship team. 20 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: He was on that Boston team, he played with Lebron. 21 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: He's got a couple of sons that are really really 22 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: talented players. Plus I just love and value his basketball opinion. 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: He'll join us at twenty five after the hour, we 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: got some Jalen Brunston and Josh Hart to talk about. 25 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: Mark Stein will join us next hour, so we've got 26 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: plenty of hoops. I know Game four US tonight, it 27 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: is a pivotal game, and we'll talk about it. But 28 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: I I actually like hockey, but I hate this one 29 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: big part about hockey. And look, obviously the pieces are 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: kind of similar to I know the sport is different, 31 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: but there's some similarities there to soccer, and I think 32 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: some of the similarities to soccer not as much so 33 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: are in this one thing. First again, welcome in. The 34 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: US Open is ongoing, and we'll we'll we'll talk about Oakmont. 35 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: I also want to kind of quiz Dan Byron, like 36 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: I saw these pictures of the ninety four Open, and 37 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: there's now they've made it into this linksy track and 38 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: now it's like old golf links golf whatever, whereas before 39 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: Oakmont was almost felt like classic American style country club golf, 40 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: and I don't know, do we like this better? It's 41 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: this a better way of you took the same course, 42 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: but it's completely different now. But last time, I'm watching 43 00:02:54,080 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup finals and it sort of dawned on 44 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: me as I'm looking at my text thread and watching 45 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: the game take place, that I knew how it was 46 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: going to end, and it was going to be a 47 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: I don't know it was a self fulfilling prophecy, or 48 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: there would just be there would just be a lot 49 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: of confirmation bias in it. Did anyone think that the 50 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: best team won last night? That's I guess my question. 51 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: Do you think the best team won? And my answer 52 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: would be, well, no, that actually didn't happen. Edmonton's taken 53 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: on Florida. I thought Florida was the better team. I 54 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: thought Florida was the team that was dominant in overtime, 55 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: and yet they lose five to four. Edmonton ties the 56 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: series of two a piece, and the last three games 57 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: have all gone to overtime. But my point is more, geez, 58 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: I thought, you know, and I don't profess to know 59 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: much anything about hockey, and like I'm the classic American 60 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: sports fan, ninety five percent of us didn't play hockey 61 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: growing up, never played hockey on skates like it like. 62 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: The extent of my hockey years were the mid nineties 63 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: ninety three and ninety four. Specifically, that's when Wayne Gretzky 64 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: took the Kings to the Stanley Cup finals, and that's 65 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: when NHL ninety four was out and there was also 66 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: Blades of Steel. Those are that's the extent of my 67 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: the deep hockey years for me and Buyer, I'm sure 68 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: you know more about hockey than I do. Sam. I 69 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: read your texts and I agree with you. My issue 70 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: with hockey is the randomness at times of how goals 71 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: are scored in many ways takes away from who's actually 72 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: the better team. And I get the larger sample size 73 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: of a season is different, and ultimately the good teams 74 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: the good teams. But when you're in a playoff hockey 75 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: and everyone who's a hockey fan loves to have the 76 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: same narrative, nothing better than overtime hockey. But I would 77 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: say there's lots of things better than overtime hockey because 78 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: in other sports again, and look this happens in football, 79 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: where a team will dominate, but they got a turnover 80 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: here or there, or a couple of crazy plays can 81 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: happen some in basketball, where you know a team could 82 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: play very well and you catch a heater end of 83 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: the game. He hit a bunch of threes. It happened 84 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: with the Pacers going back to the next series, Game one. 85 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: But by and large, if a team is dominant is 86 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: better for ninety five percent of overtime, by and large, 87 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: are gonna win, and they'll be so much it won't matter. 88 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: Not the case with hockey. I think the two things 89 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: I dislike about hockey is one hockey fan is the 90 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: male version of the WNBA fan. Hey, you haven't paid 91 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: attentions for twenty five years, and then when you do 92 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: pay attention to us, you don't know what you're talking about. 93 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: That's annoying. And then the annoying game action thing is 94 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: I just have a tough time saying that Edmonton was 95 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: in any way better than Florida last night, specifically in overtime, 96 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: because I thought Florida out played him and then Edmonton 97 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: ends up with a goal. 98 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: I thought that Edmonton. 99 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: Played I mean, they were down three to nothing, so 100 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: they obviously played well enough in the second period to 101 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 3: even it up at three, and then they get the 102 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: goal to go ahead. I think Florida played better at 103 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: the end and then into overtime that I felt that 104 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 3: they had all of the momentum. But I think that 105 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 3: is part of it as well is as someone who 106 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: isn't a huge hockey and also can get annoyed by 107 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: hockey fan what I loved about this overtime and other overtimes. 108 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: Not only do ioas Sam and I now have a 109 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: vested interest in Edmonton winning, but there's also this balance. 110 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: There's this balance of do you play it safe, do 111 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 3: you go for it? 112 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: What do you do? 113 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: And if you go for it, does that leave you 114 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: week on the on the back end if there's something 115 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 3: that leaks out And that's what you got last night. 116 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: Florida actually had had a great chance in overtime to 117 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: win it and was unable to cash in. I felt 118 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: that they put more pressure on Edmonton. Edmonton really didn't 119 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: have any good chances and ultimately their goal comes on 120 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 3: a bit of a fluke play. But it's also no difference. 121 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: And this may not change your opinion, Doug, but we've 122 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: had hot goalies in the past, right where teams are 123 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: just they've got the guy in that and there's nothing 124 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 3: that you can do about it. And I think that 125 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: when you have just the the balance, specifically in all 126 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 3: over time of sudden does a winner take all were 127 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: every single possession, every almost pass of the puck could 128 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 3: alter the game? I find that very exciting. 129 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: Uh, Sam, where are you on? Going off of your 130 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: comments that you agree with me? But again Dan made 131 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: bigger comments, some having to do with what I'm talking about, 132 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: but obviously more thorough in terms of his analysis. 133 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: What's your what's your question? 134 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: Just like, well, again, when you walk away from last night, 135 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: I do you think the better team won? Do you 136 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: think that I? And is and is it that? Was 137 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: it exciting to the point where it's bringing. 138 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: You back, bringing me back to watch the next game? 139 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? 140 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think this has been I don't know how 141 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 4: to size up these teams. Like I know, Florida is 142 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 4: technically better because they bested the Oilers last year and 143 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 4: they were the favorite coming into this Stanley Cup. All 144 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 4: I know is that, like you know, three of the 145 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 4: four games have been over time, have been pretty excited. 146 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 4: You know, you've got teams winning on the roads. This 147 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 4: is a good product. I'm not a hockey guy. I 148 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 4: don't I don't know how to size these teams up, 149 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 4: but I know that the Oilers have a couple of 150 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 4: huge stars in dry Cydle and McDavid and the. 151 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: Last night Why did you like last night's game? 152 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: That's a great question. 153 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: I feel like the I. 154 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 4: Feel like the Edmonton Oilers kind of have this like 155 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 4: Pacers kind of energy, like I'm gonna I'm just pulling 156 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 4: for him, and I know that they're not They're not 157 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 4: the better team than than Oklahoma City, but they find 158 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 4: ways to at least tie up the series or take 159 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 4: a lead like the Pacers did in this in the series. 160 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 4: And that's just got me, got me hooked. I yeah, 161 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,359 Speaker 4: it's a it's been a good fine, a good product. 162 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: All right, Jay Stu. Now again, I'm gonna Jay Stu, 163 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: I don't know where you come in on hockey. I 164 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: mean we you and I have talked about it some, 165 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: but for for people don't know, Jay Stu was a 166 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: huge part of the Jim Rome Show for a long time. 167 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: How many years you with Rome? 168 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 5: Uh? Fourteen years? 169 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: Fourteen it's actually the number I thought, but I said it, 170 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, is that. 171 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 5: The right number, Andy Reid, Andy. Just for listeners who 172 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 5: want to want a reference, my time with Jim Rome 173 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 5: mirrored Andy Reid's time with the Eagles. 174 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: Wow. 175 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 5: Okay, So and you tell me you want to think about, man, 176 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 5: how long will Jess do with Jim Rome? Think Andy 177 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 5: Reid with the Eagles. 178 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: That's actually very helpful. 179 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: I bring it up because and I don't know if 180 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: Rome's affinity for hockey was real or just radio creation, 181 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: but I will say that you guys talk more hockey 182 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: than anybody. I mean, I honestly, my thought, well our 183 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: thought always when I was at ESPN Radio was Rome's 184 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: talking hockey. Everybody else wins because the second you talk 185 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 1: about hockey, people go, Nick, don't care, right, And you 186 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: guys talk hockey some like regular season, early playoffs, not 187 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: just Stanley Cup finals. Were you Have you been as 188 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: engaged and locked in on hockey even during those fourteen years. 189 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 5: No. Never. It's a sport that has never once resonated 190 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 5: with me. I have good friends that are hockey fans, 191 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 5: good friends that are Kings fans, and they've always said, man, 192 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 5: you got to go. Once you go, you'll be hooked. 193 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 5: I've gone like. 194 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: NASCAR Guy said the same thing. By the way, NASCAR 195 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: guy always goes, you gotta go. 196 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 5: Go, and neither sport got me when I went in 197 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 5: the the premise of your question, did the better team win? 198 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 5: That assumes two things. That assumes I watched, and that 199 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 5: assumes that even if I did watch, I would have 200 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 5: the sophistication to know which team is better. To your point, 201 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 5: one of the things that turns me off about the 202 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 5: sport is how random it is. Especially this is the 203 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 5: part that really gets me. When there's that the puck 204 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 5: is in front of the goalie and the goalie hasn't 205 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 5: secured it, and everyone is just chopping the hell out 206 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 5: of the ice to hit the puck and then it 207 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 5: goes off the goalie's leg and into the into the goal. 208 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 5: I see Zero's skill in that. So it's hard for 209 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 5: me to get with stuff. 210 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: Like that that I completely agree with you on that, 211 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: and I normally agree with you on the level of sophistication. 212 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: Like it's like when I watch soccer highlights or I 213 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: watch halftime of soccer, the analysis is so weird because 214 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: they talk about spirit and energy, Like just tell me 215 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: who's playing better and why tried to explain me why 216 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: something's playing better. I don't know. Last time I was 217 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: watching and I did really agree with Sam. I just 218 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: remember looking down at my phone and Sam had just 219 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: texted us saying like they're dominating in overtime, and I 220 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I mean they're not dominating in the score, obviously, 221 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: but it does feel like Edmonton is just staving off 222 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: losing this thing play after play, just surviving. So I 223 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: lack the sophistication as well. Jay s Douo, and I'm 224 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: with you, it's never really resonated. I always thought it 225 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: was cool. I'm like, yeah, it's cool sport, it's really hard. 226 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: It's just I don't know anything about it. 227 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 3: You know, there there is something, and it's a reason 228 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 3: why we say there's nothing better than playoff hockey, because 229 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 3: you don't get this sense of urgency in the regular season. 230 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 3: And for as much as we may love the five 231 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: minutes that they play three on three, still a team 232 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 3: you know, ends up ends up winning and maybe they don't, 233 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 3: and then you just move on to the next game. 234 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: Maybe it's exciting for those five minutes, but there is 235 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 3: something about this urgency, of the sudden death nature of 236 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: it where even the goal last night ended up being, 237 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: you know, a situation where it was two passes earlier 238 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: that probably set up the goal. And I know that's 239 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 3: not for everybody, but that's to my point of why 240 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: every possession or what you do with the puck is 241 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: another opportunity to win or lose the game. You may 242 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 3: look at it from a perspective of, well, there are 243 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 3: no goals, just like Game two when they didn't score 244 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 3: any goals in the first overtime, But for twenty minutes 245 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 3: you have a back and forth of this game could 246 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: be decided on this sort of play. Honestly, as somebody 247 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 3: who was cheering for Edmonton last night, the first five 248 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: minutes of overtime felt like twenty minutes of game time 249 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: because it didn't seem like they were in control, and 250 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 3: you're just like, my goodness, when is this going to 251 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 3: When are you going to be able to do something here? 252 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 3: It felt like Florida had all the chances and all 253 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: the momentum, and I remember looking up at the clock 254 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: and I'm like, wow, there's only like five point twenty 255 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 3: that's gone by in this overtime session. Ultimately, from what 256 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: you guys are saying, how the game ends is an 257 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 3: indicative of how the end of the game was played, 258 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 3: and that's what's frustrating to you. But I just look 259 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: at it as like, if you have a dog in 260 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 3: the fight, every single possession, every single pass that you 261 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 3: have could set up that goal. And that's what that's 262 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: what makes it interesting. It's meant it interesting to me 263 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 3: with a dog in this fight. 264 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: It's a fair way to look at it's a fair prejective. 265 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: But yes, that's ultimately I do sometimes become a result 266 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: orienton like I don't I don't understand, and it hurts 267 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: my desire to view the sport because I just don't understand, 268 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: or maybe I do, or say maybe that's that's that's hockey. 269 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: It's like we talk about that space. 270 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the funny thing as well. Just quickly, like 271 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 3: as we're having this conversation, we're talking and I'm not 272 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: pigging on Sam. I think that this is a this 273 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 3: is a legitimate thing that goes on. We're looking at 274 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 3: Florida as being the halves and Edmonton being the have 275 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 3: nots for what's not happened in hockey. Yeah, Edmonton is 276 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 3: home ice. They both were three seeds in their conferences. 277 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 3: Edmonton actually finished with more points this season. They have 278 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 3: the best player in all of hockey. So there are 279 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 3: all these seemingly inherent advantages towards Edmonton that we really 280 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 3: don't pay attention to because we look at the Panthers 281 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 3: as the defending Stanley Cup champs, and we look at 282 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 3: Edmonton as trying to break through with Canada and again 283 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 3: Canadian streak. Yeah, and I think that's awesome. I actually 284 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 3: think it's awesome that it's it's a bit of the opposite. 285 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 3: So like we try to compare it to the NBA, 286 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 3: that's not necessarily the case. And I'm talking as a 287 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: guy that didn't care about last year's Stanley Cup, even 288 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 3: with Edmonton in it. There is something about this year's 289 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: that just brought me in and I have no idea 290 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: what it was. And I don't know if it's the 291 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 3: NBA and having the playoffs be how they played out. 292 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 3: But my buddy back in Wisconsin that I visited a 293 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago, who I never thought would ever 294 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 3: watch a hockey game. We're sitting at Buffalo Wild Wings 295 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: eating and goes. It's been really good because I've watched 296 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 3: it more than the NBA, and I found that very interesting. 297 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: It was a Buffalo Wings order. 298 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:41,479 Speaker 3: I did a boneless with some honey barbecue garlic palm, 299 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 3: and I think I did a medium with it. 300 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: They have a new they have like a new honey 301 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: barbecue ranch or something like all combining ones. Yummy. Yeah, 302 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: it's really good. 303 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 6: This is the best of the Done Dot Leap Show 304 00:16:58,480 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 6: on Fox Sports Radio. 305 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: Hey, what up, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. iHeartRadio 306 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: app Welcome, Welcome, welcome in m m mmmm mmmmmm. So, 307 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: I there's been a lot of discussion about the NBA 308 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: Finals and NBA ratings in general, and I don't know. 309 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: I actually think when I've listened to our Fox Sports 310 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: Radio and Fox Sports One shows, there's been a wide 311 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: variance of it in terms of how it's been portrayed. 312 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: But I again, I actually think Adam Silver says a 313 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: lot of interesting stuff. I don't know if that stuff 314 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: is incentive in terms of the state of the NBA. 315 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: Even if a lot of his stuff does, like multiple 316 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: things can be true. So I'm going to play for 317 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: you what Adam Silver said, and then we're going to 318 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: discuss it as we get ready for Game four. NBA 319 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: Finals tonight in Indianapolis, Pacers up two games to one. 320 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: Here was Adam Silver in an interview with ESPN. He's 321 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: asked about the NBA Finals ratings. 322 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 7: So we have two markets we've all been around for 323 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 7: the last week in Oklahoma City Indianapolis, that are completely 324 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 7: captured by the finals. I mean, every store you go to, 325 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 7: the signage, everyone look at this concourse here, everybody on 326 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 7: the streets is wearing the team colors. I mean, and 327 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 7: I think I've been doing this for a long time. 328 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 7: I don't remember being in two markets where it feels 329 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 7: like so dominant to have these games. Then on, as 330 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 7: a media matter, it's interesting people compare us to twenty 331 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 7: years ago. But for these games one and two so 332 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 7: far are the highest rated programs in May and June 333 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 7: so far on television, and if something beats us, it'll 334 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 7: be another sports. Back twenty years ago, we often didn't 335 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 7: win the night when the finals were on. 336 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: Okay, So the argument is, basically, hey, here's the deal. 337 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: You guys are looking at today's ratings through a lens 338 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: of yesterday. And the point he's making is it's not 339 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: necessarily about what the number is, It's about winning the 340 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: night because fewer and fewer people watch traditional TV, so 341 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: the ratings, especially in midweek, are gonna reflect as much. 342 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: Now again, does he does? He make a case that 343 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: I would agree with in terms of if you've been 344 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: to Oklahoma, and obviously most of you guys know, I 345 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: spent a ton of time in Oklahoma. Yeah, the entire 346 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: state is completely all windows, doors, street lights, whatever. Everything 347 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: is Oklahoma City thunder. And the same is in Indiana. 348 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: But you get that because you're in smaller markets, right, 349 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: So the idea that, Okay, maybe it's better because they 350 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: actually carry here. Look if you had in New York, 351 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be the same, but there'd be way more 352 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: people that care to wait a lot more same thing 353 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: in Boston, bigger markets. The argument he's making about about 354 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: ratings is an interesting one. He also talked about how 355 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: it's been kind of politicized in terms of ratings, and 356 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's why people watch Jay Stu. 357 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Silver's comments on the ratings? 358 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 5: All Right, so I'm gonna throw this out here to 359 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 5: the three of you or maybe listeners. I want to 360 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 5: I want to know if streaming numbers are factored into 361 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 5: these little ratings. I have a feeling they are. If 362 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 5: they're not by now, that's pretty nonsensical, So I want 363 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 5: to know that. And then as we effort that, I 364 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 5: think that him saying that the concourse here in Indianapolis 365 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 5: is full, so it definitely speaks to how excited people 366 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 5: are that that was a complete nothing burn. Yeah, him 367 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 5: saying that it's tough to compare the ratings to twenty 368 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 5: years ago because we would go nights where we wouldn't 369 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 5: even win nights twenty years ago and we're winning nights 370 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 5: this time around. Okay, that's cool. That sounds like a 371 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 5: lot of word salad, and it sounds like and we 372 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 5: just had an election season, so I'm just gonna make 373 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 5: this as a reference. This isn't a political stance. During 374 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 5: the election season, one side of the political aisle wanted 375 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 5: us to believe the crime was down and that prices 376 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 5: were down our day to day the eye test told 377 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 5: us different. So don't lie to us, Adam Silver. I 378 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 5: wake up every morning and go through NBA content, and 379 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 5: I see how other shows stack their shows and how 380 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 5: they treat NBA Finals content. There just hasn't been a 381 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 5: whole lot of buzz. I don't think any of the 382 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 5: four of us could disagree with that. So it's like 383 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 5: you're telling me something that the ratings are actually good 384 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 5: and that your your sport is being watched and as popular, 385 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 5: but the eye test tells us differently. 386 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: I agree with a lot of that. I agree with 387 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: a lot of that. I would say, if we're going 388 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: to go politics, there were lies coming from both sides 389 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: which were blatantly and patently falls And it's like you said, like, well, 390 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: let's follow up. Did anybody follow up to see did 391 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: they actually not win nights when they were in the 392 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: NBA finals. I'm guessing he's talking about post Michael Jordan, 393 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: not during the Michael Jordan era. 394 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 3: I do think go ahead, and to answer Jason's question 395 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 3: from the information that I've gathered, yes, streaming numbers are included. 396 00:22:55,119 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, in those numbers, why do you guys think less 397 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: a smaller percentage of people watch the NBA than used 398 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: to watch the NBA as there's no there's no right 399 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: or wrong answer, Buyer, what do you think. 400 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: The NBA as a whole? Are we talking about the playoffs? 401 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 3: Because part of my reason why I think like regular 402 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 3: season ratings are down is because we make the playoffs 403 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 3: and the finals everything. 404 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot, but the finals numbers are playoff numbers 405 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: are not what they used to be there. 406 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 3: And I think that your point about the markets like 407 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 3: just of like, obviously, if the Lakers made it or 408 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: the Knicks made it, you're you're just you're going to 409 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 3: have a bigger number. 410 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: That is. That is obvious. 411 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: And if the Lakers were in the NBA Finals, it 412 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: would be a gigantic thing in the city of Los Angeles, right, Yes, 413 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: maybe not as all encompassing as in Oklahoma City, but 414 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: the Lakers are kind of big in LA kind of 415 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: sort of so that that argument he makes, the concourse 416 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: argument the city arguments is now it's not worlds where 417 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: it's solid. It's like, yeah, okay, it's a red herring. 418 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: It aren't existed, correct. 419 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. I just think the product as a whole. 420 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: I just don't think that that people are buying in. 421 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 3: I think it's the season is extremely long. I've told 422 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 3: you that. I think that the NBA is tiresome, it's draining, 423 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 3: and it's funny. I had seen a clip on TikTok 424 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 3: and I forgot who it was, but in just in 425 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 3: how we're like digesting this this finals and digesting these games. 426 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 3: Not everything is an indictment on legacy. And I've felt 427 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 3: that same point as well, like if you just take 428 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 3: the game for what it is and what it is, 429 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 3: but it's either a legacy play or it's a no play, 430 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 3: and I don't think I feel that's good for the game. 431 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 3: But ultimately, I just think that following the NBA is exhausting. 432 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: Sam, why do you think less people watch the NBA? 433 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 4: Thinking of four kind of reasons, And it's taught me 434 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 4: if any of them kind of don't make sense you. 435 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 4: But I do think that post mj that's the reason. 436 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 4: And that's like twenty five years of posts Michael Jordan. 437 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 4: The continuing rise of the NFL, even though it was huge. 438 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 4: Obviously it was huge back thirty years ago, but it's 439 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 4: it's even bigger now. Somehow, maybe rule changes making it 440 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 4: so that offenses just have more freedom and you can't, 441 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 4: you know, mug guys like you used to, and uh yeah, 442 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 4: maybe in politics maybe plays a role. 443 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 2: I don't. 444 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 4: I don't really sense the political vibe this year so much, 445 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 4: or guys making you know, political statements or stands or 446 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 4: gestures and there's a lot going on in the world. 447 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 4: But those are the four reasons NFL steal some attention 448 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 4: post MJ. Maybe some rule change, maybe some politics. 449 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: Okay, I I think the politics thing is just confirmation bias. 450 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: I think if you didn't like the NBA, you don't 451 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: like those guys. I do think that there is an element. 452 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: I actually really agree with Dan on two different fronts. One, 453 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 1: we do make it all about the postseason. And then 454 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: I think you combined with the fact that more regular 455 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: season games are on national TV now that have ever 456 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: been on before, and it's too much. The games don't matter, 457 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: Nobody focuses on them, and there's more there's more of 458 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: them on than ever and it's just it just tiresome. 459 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 1: I do think that the inside the NBA and the 460 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: old head holds, that heads that cover it, that talking 461 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: about how they don't like the new NBA or how 462 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: it's played, I don't think that helps. That's just that's 463 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: not You don't have to dot your eyes with hearts, 464 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: but there just isn't. 465 00:26:59,760 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 8: Uh. 466 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: That just isn't a good way to sell the fringe on. 467 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: You should watch Hey, you should watch this thing, even 468 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: though it used to be way better. They shoot too 469 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: many threes, they take games off, right, like they just 470 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: pointing out the bad parts is not a good thing. 471 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: It's not a good thing. And then you know, I 472 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: just think they leave themselves up for criticism with so 473 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: much of the drama and the trade demands and too 474 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: many podcasts. Just like too much drama. It's like, it's 475 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: one thing if you have a season that last what 476 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: is it, like nine months? 477 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 2: It plots? 478 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: Okay, it's one, let's say nine. It's one thing. If 479 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: you have a season that last nine months. It's the 480 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: other thing. If you have a season that last nine 481 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: months where guys are making gargantuan contracts and nobody appears 482 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: to be happy. Right, So so many of the current 483 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: players don't appear to be happy, the foreign player, the 484 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: past players aren't happy with the new players being unhappy 485 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: or how they play, And so fans are like, like, 486 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: so I'm supposed to buy into this stuff. Yet yet 487 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: kids love it. There's still a huge number of basketball 488 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: fans internationally. Of our exports sports, I would say it's 489 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: the most popular. I don't think it's particularly close. And 490 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: yet it's kind of stalled out here and we're creeping 491 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: up on the post Lebron Steph Era and the league 492 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: is going to really really struggle to find that next star, 493 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: super super super superstar. Just just we had to wait 494 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: how long after Jordan retired before we got Lebron. And look, 495 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: Kobe was great, but Kobe wasn't beloved. He just wasn't. 496 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: He was really hard to deal with for a really 497 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: long time. He didn't like his own teammates, his own coaches. 498 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: Even when he won. He was hard for people love. 499 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: And he's more beloved now because the last two titles, 500 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: but also look because he kind of evolved as a 501 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: human and then he died way too early. But there 502 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 1: was a massive gap, a huge fall off when Jordan 503 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: left the game, and I think we're getting ready for 504 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: one of those. And then you factor in that the 505 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: NBA has just lost a PR battle. I don't think 506 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: it's a you know, I and I've kind of won 507 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: Jay Stu over with this thing. I'd like it to baseball. 508 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: It's way better than anybody's perception of it is. The 509 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: NBA is way better than even the NFL playoffs and 510 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: the NFL as Jay, I don't think it's as bad 511 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: as Jay Stu makes it. But the product oftentimes is 512 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: not great, and yet people watch. Why it's easy to 513 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: gamble on why because it's only on three days a week, 514 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: whereas the NBA is on all the time. People are 515 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: always talking about it. It's kind of heavy. No one 516 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: ever appears to be happy. People who played in it, 517 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: cover it, coached it. Everybody bitches all all the time, 518 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: and at some point you're just like, yeah, I'm kind 519 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: of good and I as despite the fact this is 520 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: a super competitive series, it has zero buzz none. 521 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 3: In a way, it's counterproductive because the people that aren't 522 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 3: going to watch aren't gonna watch even if there are 523 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 3: more games, and then the people who are going to 524 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 3: watch aren't going to watch as much because there are 525 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 3: more games. 526 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 4: Can I also say that do we consider the play 527 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 4: in game? The playing game is the start of the 528 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 4: playoffs like the playing games. The NBA doesn't, but I do, Okay, 529 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 4: So they started the playing games was April fifteenth. I 530 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 4: know we love the NBA playoffs and we kind of 531 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 4: put the spotlight on it more than the regular season, 532 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 4: but the playoffs are really long. Yeah, two months to 533 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 4: get halfway through the finals. 534 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 2: Sam, I've done the math on this. I said this 535 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 2: on the network. 536 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 3: If this was an NFL schedule, the NBA Playoffs would 537 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 3: last from Week one to the beginning of week eleven. 538 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 3: In the NFL, it's more than half of the regular season. 539 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 3: If you were to like to spread it out and 540 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 3: be like, Okay, this was week one of the season, 541 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 3: Week two, Week three, that's great, and the NBA Draft 542 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 3: two night a fair now starting in less than two 543 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 3: weeks the twenty fifth. Then you have free agency in 544 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 3: Summer League after that. So you're in mid July still 545 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 3: kind of talking about the NBA in training camps start 546 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 3: in September. Now that mid October is the start of 547 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 3: the season. So Doug, when you say nine months, August 548 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 3: is the only month that there isn't something NBA related 549 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 3: going on. I mean NBA Media Days happen on like 550 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 3: September twentieth. It's like week two of the NFL season. 551 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: It's long, it's crazy, And you know, then summer basketball 552 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: is a thing. Last year was the Olympics as well. Yeah, 553 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: it's a lot. And then the off season, whatever the 554 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: off season is, there's so many trades and so much 555 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: player movement that I think it does feed into the 556 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: narrative of unhappiness and it just constantly, constantly being a 557 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: part of the of what's going on in sports, and people. 558 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 2: Tire of it. 559 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 6: Fox Sports Radio had the best sports talk lineup in 560 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 6: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 561 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 6: Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. 562 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: The Doug Gottlieb Show, it's Fox Sports Radio. It's the 563 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: Doug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Any house in a moment. 564 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: But if you're wondering what's going on in Oakmont, Doug 565 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so buyer, 566 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: I was watching I think it was on social media 567 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: show the ninety four Open at Oakmont, and it's like 568 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: a completely different course, right, It's like someone's like photoshopped, 569 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: Like if you cut out all the trees, what do 570 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: you think of transformation of this course? 571 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's funny because I was thinking about this 572 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 3: driving in because they were talking about it as I 573 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 3: was listening to the broadcast. And this has been like 574 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 3: that for the last couple of opens. But it's always 575 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 3: remains a story and it's crazy because it's Oakmont. You 576 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 3: would think there'd be just tons of oak trees. No, 577 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 3: not the case, but Wow, yeah, I don't necessarily. 578 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 2: Can you call it Oakmon if there's no oaks? Right? 579 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 2: Something we can get into later. 580 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: Now we get into now, I mean, oh. 581 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm sorry, house on hold them so. 582 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: No, no, he's we'll get him a second. So what was 583 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: the impetus behind the course change? So because it is 584 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: a dramatic change, yes, like it's literally from country club 585 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: golf to Lynskulf. 586 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 3: So prior to the two thousand and seven US Open, 587 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 3: they wanted to restore Oakmont to what its original layout was, 588 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 3: and that was basically no trees. And the stories they 589 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 3: told telling up to that point is they would sometimes 590 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 3: go out at night to cut the trees down so 591 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 3: membership wouldn't necessarily know that they were cutting trees down. 592 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 3: And after a while, all of a sudden, all these 593 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 3: trees were cut down and wait, like wait a second, hey, 594 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 3: that's missing. But it was to reflect and restore to 595 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 3: what the course was from the beginning. From Henry Phones 596 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 3: then Doug, there's also been this move away from more 597 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 3: link style. Trees don't help grass grow. You're seeing a 598 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 3: lot more courses remove trees. It's better for the grass, 599 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 3: it's better for the turf, but this was more to 600 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 3: be true to what Oakmont originally was and it went 601 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 3: under a recent restoration, which has been the main story 602 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 3: heading into this open where gil Hans took it over 603 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 3: and they've taken parts of the design that the different 604 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 3: designs that have occurred early on in Oakmont days and 605 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 3: tried to blend them into what is this current course. 606 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 3: But it did not have trees in its early going, 607 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 3: and the trees just ended up growing and growing throughout 608 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 3: the years. But that was the initial reason why they 609 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 3: decided to take them down prior to the seven Open. 610 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: It is interesting, as you point out, you god so 611 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: many different course designers coming in, it becomes you know, 612 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 1: I had no idea, that's what was I just didn't. 613 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: But on some levels, when you have multiple course designers, 614 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: it's like when you have a really cool house, It's 615 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: like did you have different contractors here? Like no, this, 616 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 1: they redid this in OA, and they redid this, and 617 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: you know in fifteen and we just redid this or whatever, 618 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 1: and sometimes you get different tastes. But it is definitely 619 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: a linksy style now. It definitely looks like the original 620 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: game of golf, if you will, and it looks crazy, crazy, difficult. 621 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 3: And there are some that don't like that it doesn't 622 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 3: have trees. And there's even some conversation of this week 623 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 3: that you know, is it too far one way as 624 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 3: opposed to the other, because when you and I play golfer, 625 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,240 Speaker 3: others play golf, trees do make a difference. 626 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 2: They absolutely do. 627 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 3: But I don't I don't know if it's necessarily needed 628 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 3: at Oakmont just because of the defense is how fast 629 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,959 Speaker 3: their greens are. When the US Open puts the rough 630 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 3: like this, you're getting scores like this. 631 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: All right, let's turn from the US Open to the 632 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: NBA Finals. Eddie House went in an NBA championship in 633 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. Uh, dude is awesome at breaking 634 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: it down TV radio joins us now on the Doug 635 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Eddie, what's what's your 636 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: what's your EVL of what's going? What went wrong for 637 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: the thunder in the fourth quarter in Game three? 638 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 8: I think, Uh, just Rick Carlisle his the way he 639 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 8: uh changes defenders on Shay so Say has to face. 640 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 8: You know, Say is so talented. You know, obviously the 641 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 8: league MVP. But I think what happened was picking him 642 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 8: up ninety four feet, wearing him down. And I think 643 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 8: what okay C needs to do is make an adjustment. 644 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 8: And that's what I'm looking for tonight, to see what 645 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 8: kind of adjustment uh Daggonov is gonna make as far 646 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,439 Speaker 8: as because what I would do, I would take Shaye 647 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 8: off the ball. I would not allow him until the 648 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 8: fourth quarter. I wouldn't have him bring the ball up, 649 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 8: you know. I would have him get the ball with 650 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 8: a live dribble as opposed to having to bring the 651 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 8: ball up and have to fight ninety four feet to 652 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 8: get to his spot and then everybody else just standing around. No, 653 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 8: I will run my offense through somebody else. Jalen Williams 654 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 8: has to step up, and then from there in the 655 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 8: fourth quarter they could go to work. You just want 656 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,479 Speaker 8: to try to conserve is as much energy for him 657 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 8: as you can. 658 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think they're tired? Do you think that's 659 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: one of the things hurting the thunder? 660 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 7: No? 661 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 8: Man? Yeah, A young, young many not tired. Man. You 662 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 8: remember how you was when you was twenty six twenty seven, 663 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 8: or you was twenty three twenty four. You wasn't You 664 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 8: didn't get tired, and you wanted to play. I don't 665 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 8: think that they're tired. I think that you can wear 666 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 8: on somebody, you know what I mean, and you can 667 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 8: make it where you're uncomfortable, And I don't think more 668 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 8: so than being tired. I think Shay just was uncomfortable 669 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 8: the whole time because he's usually able to just get 670 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 8: to a spot moved easily, but they made him have 671 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 8: to work for everything. So I won't buy the tiredness 672 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 8: because you know, anybody that won a championship, anybody that 673 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 8: played in the playoffs, anybody has that long run. You 674 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 8: all go through it. But especially if when you in 675 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 8: the finals. Man, there's no uh, you can't use that 676 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 8: as a crush or excuse. 677 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: Hey, help me out, Eddie. Can you figure out Tyre's Haliburton. 678 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: There's some games that he plays where he just kind 679 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 1: of plays and floats and doesn't have a huge impact, 680 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,760 Speaker 1: and then there are other games in which he feels 681 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: way more aggressive and he does have a huge impact. 682 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: I know, it's just kind of unique. What are your 683 00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: thoughts on Halliburton and why some games he's just not 684 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: he's just not dominating in any way. 685 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 8: Well, he does in different ways. Right as far as 686 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 8: assistance right. He always his assist numbers are always pretty 687 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 8: much up. I think the fact of the matter is 688 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 8: that he has to be aggressive offensively. And sometimes it's 689 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 8: a traditional point guard. You're a traditional point guard. You 690 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 8: played that position. So sometimes you're not going to have 691 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 8: a high you're not going to have a lot of 692 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 8: points in certain games. But then you got to understand 693 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,399 Speaker 8: that that happy medium, you know what I mean, where 694 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 8: you're like, Okay, I have to be more aggressive and 695 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 8: this series, and that's the thing about it. Every series 696 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 8: is different, every game is every quarter is different, every 697 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 8: half is different, every game is different. And I believe 698 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,399 Speaker 8: that he understands that he has to put his foot 699 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 8: on the gas for them to be for them to win. 700 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,399 Speaker 8: And it's and being a great you know, people mix 701 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 8: it up when when when we say be aggressive, that 702 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,439 Speaker 8: doesn't necessarily mean that you have to shoot the ball 703 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 8: all the time. That means just put pressure and be 704 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 8: aggressive and you can make the right play, whether it 705 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 8: be a play for yourself or a play for others. 706 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 8: That's what I I when I say aggressive, you know, 707 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 8: and a lot of people think about aggressiveness is oh, 708 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,879 Speaker 8: you just got to go score, you got to get 709 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 8: up thirty shots and now sometimes you don't have to 710 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 8: do that. Sometimes you don't. 711 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: Eddie House, our guest here at the Doug Gottlieb Show 712 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. All right, let's uh, well, let's 713 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: get around the NBA just a little bit. Kevin Durant. 714 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,359 Speaker 1: Everybody thinks he's going to be traded. Where's the best 715 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: spot for him? Oh? 716 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 8: Man, you know it's it's a lot of good destinations 717 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 8: for him. If I was okay, see, even though they're 718 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 8: in this thing right now, they got a ton of 719 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 8: assets as far as draft picks and things like that, 720 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 8: and if you trade a guy like KD then you're 721 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 8: looking to basically rebuild, you know, if you're Phoenix, So 722 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 8: I will look, okay, see, would be somebody that I 723 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 8: would be interested in. I'm not sure what everything that 724 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 8: the Rockets have over there, what they can make happen, 725 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 8: but they're they're ready made right now to keep trying 726 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 8: to push. I think maybe Jalen Green And do you 727 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 8: want to get off a youngster that that fast? I 728 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,320 Speaker 8: don't know, you know what I mean for somebody that's old, 729 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 8: improving older, I should say improving. Uh So I would 730 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 8: say it would be I think it would be a 731 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 8: happy marriage between okay see and uh for him to 732 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 8: go back to ok se. 733 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,840 Speaker 1: Uh, I do too. I just again, we're it feels 734 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: like if he's going to be traded now or if 735 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: the discuss her now, I don't know if. And again 736 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if OKC is in that mode. But yeah, 737 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: they do need they need a guy who win the 738 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,720 Speaker 1: houses upires like I got it. I'll get us a bucket. 739 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,919 Speaker 1: We're good. They just don't don't have that. If if 740 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: you're the Celtics. 741 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 8: What do you do, Well, you got to look at uh, 742 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 8: you know, a Drew Holliday contract. You got to look 743 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 8: at a Christaps Porzingis. Who has you know, shown that 744 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 8: he's been you know, injury prone. Uh you know, I 745 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 8: don't know what was going on last I mean this 746 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 8: past season. They still hasn't been disclosed what kind of 747 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,839 Speaker 8: illness that he had. But the fact of the matter 748 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,840 Speaker 8: that he wasn't there. But he's the people Christoph kp 749 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 8: is the people's champ. Everybody loves him, not only in 750 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 8: when you go into the garden, but when you on 751 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 8: the road and when he comes out, the people go 752 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 8: crazy for him. Right, So I think that you are, 753 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 8: you know, Sam Houser, though, I think those are the 754 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 8: the contracts that you could look at and you know, 755 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 8: you could try to put something together and see if 756 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 8: you know, if Kadie come up, You're still didn't win 757 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 8: mold right now, Jalen Brown, I don't think that you. 758 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,479 Speaker 8: I don't think that you get rid of Jalen Brown. 759 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 8: To me, the reason why I wouldn't trade Jalen Brown 760 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 8: because Jason Tatum's not there and you have to have 761 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 8: that star power there, and you have to have two 762 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 8: star powers, you know, And I think that I think 763 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 8: that that would be like kind of the way to go, 764 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 8: So you have to unload some of these other other contracts. 765 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 8: I wouldn't get rid of Derek White. I wouldn't get 766 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 8: rid of Derek White at all. He does so much. 767 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 1: Eddie House. Of course, Eddie we truly appreciates joining us. 768 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: He's an analyst for NBC Sports Boston. We'll see what 769 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: the Celtics do. We'll watch tonight's NBA Finals game, and 770 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 1: we'll talk with him again. Any of the best. Man, 771 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: really appreciate you spend some time. 772 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 8: Oh problem man, thanks for having me