Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm
Speaker 1: Rachel and I'm here of course with none other than Alan,
Speaker 1: and we have a great podcast for you today. We
Speaker 1: really do. And I know, I know we say this
Speaker 1: every week. We're like Chris Harrison, right, how Chris we are?
Speaker 1: Harrison says the most dramatic rose ceremony ever or finale ever.
Speaker 1: But this really is a great podcast because we have
Speaker 1: Blake here. We had Dean last week, so thank you
Speaker 1: so much for tuning in last week. But this week
Speaker 1: with Blake is going to be good. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: a really big week because, unfortunately, to the dismay of
Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation, we saw the end of Paradise. But at
Speaker 1: the same time we saw three engagements, which I don't
Speaker 1: know is that on par Is That a record? Because
Speaker 1: I have to admit this, I've actually never finished a
Speaker 1: full season of Bachelor in Paradise. This is the first
Speaker 1: time I have watched beginning to end. So of course
Speaker 1: this is why I have so many opinions, because I've
Speaker 1: seen it in a way I've never seen before. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, things come in three right engagements.
Speaker 1: We saw the inn of Paradise, but we also got
Speaker 1: a new bachelor, a new bachelor, and let's go right there.
Speaker 1: Let's just go with that, all right, go ahead, because
Speaker 1: you know I'm pumped that Peter is a new bachelor.
Speaker 1: I've been rooting for him from the get go. But
Speaker 1: you we're hoping for someone else. So tell me, Rachel,
Speaker 1: Pretend I'm your therapist here. Tell me what's how you're feeling.
Speaker 1: I fell asleep for a second when you're talking about man. Okay,
Speaker 1: in all honesty, I'm saying is I'm joking. Remember compliment sandwich.
Speaker 1: I think Peter seems like a super sweet guy. He's
Speaker 1: an attractive guy. He seems to be easygoing and fun loving.
Speaker 1: And I am not saying that he won't be a
Speaker 1: great bachelor. Not my issue. Um, but I have to
Speaker 1: say that I'll be watching this season through a lens
Speaker 1: of sadness because I know people will jump on me
Speaker 1: and they're going to interpret this whole thing that I'm
Speaker 1: against Peter, and I'm not. It's it's honestly, it's not
Speaker 1: about Peter. For me, it's truly bigger than Peter because,
Speaker 1: as I've said multiple times, whether it be on this
Speaker 1: podcast or in some other form of media, Mike Johnson
Speaker 1: should have been the Bachelor of season twenty four period.
Speaker 1: That's my opinion. It's time. It's bigger than a Peter.
Speaker 1: We have seen so many seasons of Peters, and I
Speaker 1: just feel like now it's the time for something different.
Speaker 1: But I will say, I'm going to assume that if
Speaker 1: Mike wasn't chosen, there's a reason. I'm gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and say that. I'm gonna admit that if I don't
Speaker 1: know what that reason is, but if he wasn't chosen,
Speaker 1: from the friendships and what I know about production, there
Speaker 1: has to be some good reason why they chose not
Speaker 1: to pick him. But I feel like there is a
Speaker 1: bigger problem here, and there's a bigger issue, and I
Speaker 1: can't excuse it, and I can't look past it. This
Speaker 1: show has been on for seventeen years and in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: it disappoints me that the Bachelor franchise does not reflect reality.
Speaker 1: It's not reflective of what the real world looks like
Speaker 1: or what real life relationships look like. And I can
Speaker 1: go beyond color, I can talk about the way people look,
Speaker 1: you know, ages whatever it doesn't it isn't reflective of that.
Speaker 1: And I personally don't feel like I want to watch
Speaker 1: another season where you know, the same people make it
Speaker 1: as far as they do, the leads look the same way.
Speaker 1: You have, certain people make it to a certain point
Speaker 1: to fill a quota, and I just don't want to
Speaker 1: watch another season that caters to one specific audience and
Speaker 1: just isn't reflective of what the real world looks like.
Speaker 1: And to be honest, I'm bored. I'm not necessarily bored
Speaker 1: with the drama, because I think Hannah had an entertaining
Speaker 1: season and so did Colton, but I'm bored with the
Speaker 1: cast and I'm bored with the way they look like.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, Vanilla isn't the only dessert that's out
Speaker 1: there flavor of dessert, and white isn't the only color
Speaker 1: in the crayon box. But if you watch Bachelor Nation
Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise, that is what we see when it pertains
Speaker 1: two leads, And I think my biggest thing is that
Speaker 1: the system isn't working. And that's what's upsetting to me, because,
Speaker 1: as I said, I have friends in production, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't have anything negative to say about the franchise
Speaker 1: in that sense, but you have to admit that and
Speaker 1: I think that they want to see a person of
Speaker 1: color as the lead. But whatever, but the system as
Speaker 1: it stands isn't working to put a person in place.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing, it's a weird thing, because
Speaker 1: you're right, with Peter being the Bachelor, we probably will
Speaker 1: see similar girls from past seasons make it far, and
Speaker 1: whoever makes it far becomes the next lead, right, And
Speaker 1: it's a cycle, right, like you're saying, So someone who's
Speaker 1: different needs to make it far in order to be considered.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, I just don't think Mike made it far enough.
Speaker 1: Well you can't that because he made it farther than Hannah,
Speaker 1: and Hannah got to become the lead. And I didn't
Speaker 1: think Hannah should have been the lead. But and I agree, well,
Speaker 1: but for different reasons, because I just wanted somebody who
Speaker 1: was older, and I thought that they should just go
Speaker 1: back and do what they haven't done in a bauchlor
Speaker 1: Rest season, what we've seen for Bachelor's seasons. But in yeah,
Speaker 1: we liked Hannah as a lead. Yeah, when she was chosen,
Speaker 1: we were like everybody was. And if you if you
Speaker 1: say different, you're lying. But I think, like I said,
Speaker 1: with Mike, I'm assuming if he wasn't the lead, there
Speaker 1: is some reason for that. I get it. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about it from a bigger issue, and I
Speaker 1: just feel like I don't want to hear anything about
Speaker 1: the process and in picking the lead because I have
Speaker 1: watched over these last three years the franchise for quote
Speaker 1: unquote break the rules. Okay, now, granted I started just
Speaker 1: watching this show three years ago, so there's also that,
Speaker 1: but they broke the rules in Nick Vile season, Ari season,
Speaker 1: and in Hannah b season, and then they changed the
Speaker 1: rules for Colton's season. Nick wasn't from the season before
Speaker 1: they went back years in Picnic. Same thing they did
Speaker 1: for Ari. They broke the mold with Hannah Bee because
Speaker 1: they didn't pick somebody out of the top four. I
Speaker 1: don't know what she was, eight nine, seven, tenth something.
Speaker 1: She wasn't in the top four. She didn't make it
Speaker 1: to hometowns. With Colton, they changed the rules because he
Speaker 1: jumped fence through a fit and basically got to do
Speaker 1: it his way to get the girl that he wanted,
Speaker 1: which worked out for him. And I think the best
Speaker 1: example and this is what I will hang my hat on,
Speaker 1: and the franchise has given me a scapegoat for it
Speaker 1: is the Demi Christian situation, because I am all for
Speaker 1: Demi and Christian and their relationship, and I think it
Speaker 1: is very reflective to the argument that I'm making of
Speaker 1: what the real world looks like. Same sex relationships are prevalent,
Speaker 1: they are real, and they happen all the time, and
Speaker 1: I think it was beautiful that the franchise highlighted that. However,
Speaker 1: the franchise broke the rules to highlight that they brought
Speaker 1: somebody who has never been a cast member into the
Speaker 1: franchise to reflect this, because otherwise we wouldn't have seen it.
Speaker 1: And people are praising it and they're excited about and
Speaker 1: they're happy about it. So my thing is, why can't
Speaker 1: you break the rules again to bring an outsider in
Speaker 1: the franchise to demonstrate having a person of color as
Speaker 1: the lead. And I don't mean black because I'm black.
Speaker 1: I'm talking. It could be Indian, it could be Asian.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to Cali one baffalo because it was
Speaker 1: just such a disaster. Back in the day, they used
Speaker 1: to interview people as the lead, So why are we
Speaker 1: not doing that again? If you really want to see
Speaker 1: a person of color in that role then freaking start
Speaker 1: interviewing people, because we can all admit that the system
Speaker 1: as is is absolutely not working and I need to
Speaker 1: interview people. Sorry, I just don't. So when they would
Speaker 1: bring people in as the lead, they didn't come from
Speaker 1: the past season. Necessarily for the women they did, but
Speaker 1: for the men, they would interview people. They would interview
Speaker 1: leads to come like the Prince or whoever it is,
Speaker 1: and I feel like this is like I didn't watch
Speaker 1: it back then, but these people weren't from somebody else's season.
Speaker 1: When it came to the Bachelor, I'm meant that they
Speaker 1: interviewed candidates. And again, thank you, because you gave me
Speaker 1: something to hang my hat on. Now that I've seen
Speaker 1: what you did with Christian, I know you can do
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck you want to do. And so I'm
Speaker 1: saying at this point, time is up, and ILLY fully
Speaker 1: expect to see a person of color as the Bachelor
Speaker 1: in season twenty five. I truly do, because there's no
Speaker 1: excuse at this point because you've bent the rules too
Speaker 1: far in the Demian Christian situation. I cannot argue with that.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. Listen. I feel like I could go
Speaker 1: on and on about my issues and what I think
Speaker 1: is the bigger issue in what I think should be done.
Speaker 1: But I feel like at this point I've said my
Speaker 1: piece and I have to put a pin in it
Speaker 1: and I have to move on. Peter's the Bachelor. Congratulations
Speaker 1: to Peter. And we have a lot more to talk
Speaker 1: about other than just who's the next Bachelor. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: absolutely do. Because Blake is here today. He is nervous.
Speaker 1: I saw him up in the hallway. He's like seriously
Speaker 1: shaking um. But we have a lot to talk to
Speaker 1: him about. So we're going to do that in just
Speaker 1: a minute. All right, Shall we just jump in here?
Speaker 1: Do it? Talk about how we're all matching right now?
Speaker 1: How weird is it? You guys? All right? So for
Speaker 1: those of you who cannot see us right now, which
Speaker 1: is all of you because this is a podcast. Somehow, Rachel, Blake,
Speaker 1: and I all showed up wearing white T shirts pretty
Speaker 1: much the exact same white T shirts and jeans Crew
Speaker 1: white teash. Yeah, but we but we have different shades
Speaker 1: of jeans, ironically, but we all came I think subconsciously.
Speaker 1: We all follow you, Ali, and we know what your
Speaker 1: feed looks like and they're like, you know what, Ali's
Speaker 1: going to take a picture. We want to make sure
Speaker 1: that we're on brand. Thank you. But I also think
Speaker 1: it's the sign of a really good podcast. That's what
Speaker 1: we're about to have. That's right. I like it. I
Speaker 1: wonder what it says about each of our personalities because
Speaker 1: of our shade of gene. Probably nothing, No, I think
Speaker 1: it does. Mine are ripped up, raggedy, rough around the edges. Hello,
Speaker 1: all right, what are yours? They're kind a little beat up? Okay?
Speaker 1: Is that how you're feeling right now? A little bit
Speaker 1: little bruise. Yeah, let's let's get into all of this.
Speaker 1: Um where should we begin? I would say let's just
Speaker 1: start with asking how are you? I'm doing I'm doing better.
Speaker 1: I'm doing good. Um, yeah, I mean it's been a
Speaker 1: rough summer, say the least. It's been some some low
Speaker 1: lows for sure, but I am doing better. Finally see
Speaker 1: the light at the end of the tunnel. And that's
Speaker 1: something that I've been I've been waiting for, kind of
Speaker 1: taking it day by day and yeah, so how dark
Speaker 1: has this tunnel gone? Because we've talked about this on
Speaker 1: the podcast before, is that this show as amazing as
Speaker 1: it is, we'll have to watch it. Great love stories
Speaker 1: come out of it. There's also a lot of mental
Speaker 1: and emotional I don't know, baggage, I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to say it, but just stuff that comes along
Speaker 1: with the show, and it can really take you to
Speaker 1: a dark place like did did you get there? Like? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I would, you know, I'm not quite ready
Speaker 1: to talk about just how kind of low and dark
Speaker 1: it got for me. But it was a little harder
Speaker 1: maybe for me too, because coming off of Becka season,
Speaker 1: I kind of was there wasn't too much. I didn't
Speaker 1: get too much hate, you know, too much hate coming
Speaker 1: out Becka season. So then to suddenly get as much
Speaker 1: as I did right away, it was it was really hard.
Speaker 1: And it's for me. I'm really hard on myself sometimes
Speaker 1: not sometimes all the time, whether it was you know,
Speaker 1: like school, sports, relationships. I've just always been pretty hard
Speaker 1: on myself. And I felt a lot of shame because
Speaker 1: I felt like I had disappointed a lot of people
Speaker 1: and I'd kind of let down a lot of people
Speaker 1: in my life. And so right when I got back
Speaker 1: from the show there in like July, like before it
Speaker 1: even started, I was already kind of starting to go
Speaker 1: into that deep hole of where I just didn't want
Speaker 1: to leave, you know, my apartment because I felt like
Speaker 1: there are people out there, so many people out there
Speaker 1: that I disappointed. And so once I was able to
Speaker 1: kind of almost kind of forgive myself in a sense too,
Speaker 1: you know, like you didn't you know, he didn't do
Speaker 1: anything too terrible. I was kind of able to get better.
Speaker 1: But it took a long time and I'm still working
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, And I think what you're saying is
Speaker 1: really interesting, and I you mentioned some things and I'd
Speaker 1: like to go back, you know, maybe back to the
Speaker 1: beginning when you said you came off Beck a season
Speaker 1: you were the guy. You know, I'll say it for you,
Speaker 1: big fan. I couldn't understand why Becca didn't pick you.
Speaker 1: Was rooting for you. Wanted you to find love and
Speaker 1: in the best way. But because you made it so far,
Speaker 1: you had like a full year off before you actually
Speaker 1: went to Paradise. So do you think that that year
Speaker 1: off affected affected you coming into Paradise. Yeah? Absolutely, And
Speaker 1: people asked me, know, why didn't you do Paradise or
Speaker 1: time around? There was no way I was ready. I
Speaker 1: mean that basically started filming, you know, like right after
Speaker 1: the season it ended, so there was no way I
Speaker 1: was in a mind frame to go on that first Paradise,
Speaker 1: And I'm glad I didn't because I wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: there fully, you know. Yeah, that year was. I mean
Speaker 1: a lot happened when you go from I was selling beer,
Speaker 1: you know, to like click stars and grocery stores to
Speaker 1: suddenly kind of being thrust in the spotlight like I was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was kind of a crazy whirlwinds of
Speaker 1: a year, and in a good way, in a good
Speaker 1: in a good way, in a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of good ways, to be honest, m and I had
Speaker 1: there for a long time. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm never gonna be Paradise. I
Speaker 1: just don't know. I just don't know. But I think
Speaker 1: in the back of my head Paradise was kind of
Speaker 1: always looming a little bit, I really do um And
Speaker 1: so now that I'm done, like and that's kind of gone,
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a bit of a
Speaker 1: relief to not have it looming over my head. And
Speaker 1: so that'll be nice, you know, after this is finally finished.
Speaker 1: I guess when I ask you did it affect you?
Speaker 1: I'm more so thinking because you were the guy. You know,
Speaker 1: there's really no other way to say it than that's
Speaker 1: who you are, and you were placed on such a pedestal.
Speaker 1: And I mean I even heard stories like I heard,
Speaker 1: you know, when all y'all went to Toronto for that event.
Speaker 1: I heard the girls were around the building. People were
Speaker 1: screaming your name, you and Jason, and then you and
Speaker 1: Jason before he got with Kaylin. You guys have you
Speaker 1: still have a bromassa But it was like you were
Speaker 1: two guys just hitting the road. And I know I've
Speaker 1: never shared this publicly, Leghit swear to god. Girls would
Speaker 1: DM me and ask me if I knew you really
Speaker 1: so they could get in contact with you because they
Speaker 1: thought that you were just such a great guy. If
Speaker 1: I'm getting those dms for somebody who hadn't even met you,
Speaker 1: I can only imagine what you're getting. And so I'm
Speaker 1: prefacing that to say when I say, do you think
Speaker 1: that it affected you because of what we have learned
Speaker 1: what happened right before Paradise? Do you think that maybe
Speaker 1: you got caught up in the world a bit, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, I mean yeah, there was a I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of tension, to say, Lison. And it was
Speaker 1: a weird time for me because I had just come
Speaker 1: off of this heartbreak and I did in a way finally,
Speaker 1: like you said, hit the road, and I was distracting
Speaker 1: myself and I was kind of trying to feel that
Speaker 1: that empty in that void with you know, this attention
Speaker 1: and these I mean I was traveling like crazy, you know,
Speaker 1: going in a different city a couple times a week,
Speaker 1: and you know, doing these fun appearances and it was fun,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I didn't take a lot
Speaker 1: of time for myself. I didn't and um, yeah, it
Speaker 1: definitely this last year leading into Paradise. Um, I lost
Speaker 1: myself a little bit. I did, and I had getting
Speaker 1: your heartbroken on national television, you know, in the public
Speaker 1: eye like that. I had a lot of insecurities. I did.
Speaker 1: And sometimes you know, um, you try and be somebody.
Speaker 1: Maybe I I think I was somebody that I was
Speaker 1: trying to be somebody that I wasn't um, because I
Speaker 1: had a lot of insecurities about you know, how I
Speaker 1: how I got my heartbroken and how the way I
Speaker 1: was emotional. Um. And so I think that that year
Speaker 1: I did. I did. I did kind of get distracted
Speaker 1: and I lost myself. I did. What do you mean
Speaker 1: by that you lost yourself? I like a lot? What
Speaker 1: you hooked up a lot? Like what do you mean
Speaker 1: by that? Yeah, I mean I wouldn't say like a ton,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like I that's the thing is
Speaker 1: like this the stage Coach weekend. You know, there was
Speaker 1: like obviously that's like this huge thing and now people
Speaker 1: think that's how every weekend was for me, you know,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't. But I mean, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: sit here and act like there wasn't a lot of
Speaker 1: opportunities to go on dates like there were, you know,
Speaker 1: more than obviously I've ever had. And I did go
Speaker 1: on dates, and I did try. I think would be
Speaker 1: hypocritical of me if I was like, yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to find my person and then I just sit at
Speaker 1: home and I don't do anything, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: go out there and actually try and meet people. And
Speaker 1: so well, yeah, I definitely when I say I lost myself,
Speaker 1: I guess I when you're getting that much attention, you
Speaker 1: let it kind of you do, you build it up,
Speaker 1: and you do you get I can't, I know him,
Speaker 1: not the first, and I know there's been others where
Speaker 1: you get that attention and you do feel almost invulnerable.
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess in a sense, you know. And
Speaker 1: obviously I've learned from that, and I learned I'm not
Speaker 1: And so yeah, this last year, I've learned a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot this last year. To say, it
Speaker 1: goes to everybody's head a little bit, I say a
Speaker 1: lot of bit, a lot of it, It really does.
Speaker 1: And I think something including us, including me and you sure,
Speaker 1: and I think something that he said is key. He
Speaker 1: was trying to be somebody he wasn't. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you're one person when you enter this world and then
Speaker 1: your life changes, it is completely turned upside down in
Speaker 1: a way that you know. I know, Instagram wasn't around
Speaker 1: when you were on this show, Ali, and even even
Speaker 1: for me, it's gotten even bigger since when I was
Speaker 1: on it, and I was on two years ago. It
Speaker 1: just keeps getting bigger and bigger. So I can't even
Speaker 1: imagine what that does to you. When you've got people
Speaker 1: like me getting dms to talk to you, to hook you.
Speaker 1: I could have hooked you up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: My girlfriends are texting me asking me, do you know
Speaker 1: Blake just because I'm in the Bachelor World. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess. So Baschel Nation is a small world, and
Speaker 1: so coming off the show, there's obviously a lot of tension.
Speaker 1: But also it's in a way, I mean, it's easier
Speaker 1: to get dates, but it's harder to actually meet somebody
Speaker 1: because you're not sure who you can trust, you know.
Speaker 1: And so when people in Baschel Nation, you know this
Speaker 1: this weird family we have in a way, you feel
Speaker 1: like you can't trust them, and you have this you know,
Speaker 1: this thing you've been through together. You have this common thing.
Speaker 1: You can relate a lot. And so yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I would go to these events. There's be a lot
Speaker 1: of vach Nation people there, and I would we would
Speaker 1: hit it off because we have this this common ground
Speaker 1: to talk about. And so yeah, I mean it's I'm
Speaker 1: not the first to you know, data round in vater Nation. Um,
Speaker 1: and so absolutely not, definitely aren't. It's pretty common because
Speaker 1: I mean it's a lot of good looking people are
Speaker 1: all in common and we're all hanging out all the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's it's Um, it's easy I guess
Speaker 1: to kind of like meet people within vater Nation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think that there is a lot of crossover,
Speaker 1: and you do have I remember when I was I
Speaker 1: just finished next season and a producer said to me, listen,
Speaker 1: you're going to have all these people from past seasons
Speaker 1: sliding into your DMS and messaging you. And it's just
Speaker 1: a thing. It happens. It's just the first time we've
Speaker 1: seen it play out on an actual season. Um. Something
Speaker 1: you said that I think is interesting and I think
Speaker 1: we can come back to it when we really get
Speaker 1: into the depths of this. But you said vatch Nation
Speaker 1: is like this family. It's not a family. I do
Speaker 1: not know. I'm dead ass serious. I don't consider it
Speaker 1: a family because family these blood. You're born into that
Speaker 1: and you can't help that. I would describe Batchelnation more
Speaker 1: as a fraternity and a sorority. We all went through
Speaker 1: this one experience. It's crazy experience together and it's something
Speaker 1: that we can all relate to because we've been through
Speaker 1: it and it's such a select few. But we're definitely
Speaker 1: not family. And I think and I think that you've
Speaker 1: learned that and we can speak to that as we
Speaker 1: as we really get into the depths of this. You
Speaker 1: have learned that these these people aren't your fucking family,
Speaker 1: and they're not your friends. Yes, you can curse on
Speaker 1: this podcast, they're not and and and you, and honestly
Speaker 1: you learn it the hard way. Um. But I want
Speaker 1: to get into since you know, Ali was talking about relationships,
Speaker 1: and there have been rumors out here, and you know,
Speaker 1: like once one rumor starts, like all these other rumors start.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about the relationships. We do know you
Speaker 1: and it came out during this this season. But there's Christina,
Speaker 1: there's Kalin, and there's Hannagy and so I want you
Speaker 1: to describe, like, for the record, coming from you, what
Speaker 1: was your relationship with Christina? What was your relationship with Kalin?
Speaker 1: And then what was your relationship with Hannah Gie pre Paradise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so um yeah, Christina, we started talking. It was basically
Speaker 1: right after my finale had aired. It was like that
Speaker 1: night she she had liked tagged me, so I'd already
Speaker 1: been following her and she had liked tagged me in
Speaker 1: her story and I was just like, all, thanks for
Speaker 1: the support or something like that, and we slowly started talking.
Speaker 1: But honestly, she was like my bachelination crush. As like
Speaker 1: when I was like, you know, watching the family, she
Speaker 1: was the person I always thought she was gorgeous and
Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah, very very much. So she was like
Speaker 1: this crush I'd or this, you know, I'd always had
Speaker 1: this crush on her, and so we had started talking,
Speaker 1: and you know, we she kind of helped me navigate
Speaker 1: this weird world too, because she'd alviously been through it,
Speaker 1: so she had kind of helped me navigate. I want
Speaker 1: to expect in that kind of thing. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like somebody that could lean on coming, you know, coming
Speaker 1: in this world and all of a sudden being with
Speaker 1: all this attention, all these weird endorsements and weird events
Speaker 1: and all that, and so we did. We got really close,
Speaker 1: and I was I was really into Christina and we
Speaker 1: were really into each other. And from about say September
Speaker 1: to the end of November roughly, we were talking, we
Speaker 1: were hanging out, and unfortunately it just it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: And a lot of that I put on myself. I
Speaker 1: do um. I was busy. I was doing an event
Speaker 1: every weekend, and I just felt she was kind of
Speaker 1: like over it. She's like, I've been in this world
Speaker 1: I've did it for the last year. I'm over it,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, I'm this, I'm in it.
Speaker 1: I'm like right in the middle of it right now.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I will maybe resent you if
Speaker 1: I decide, like you know what, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go to this evandah blah blah blah. She she the
Speaker 1: cool thing about was she was totally got it. She
Speaker 1: was like, I get it. I've been doing I've done
Speaker 1: where what you're doing right now. But we decided, you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be able to give her what she wanted,
Speaker 1: you know, and so we decided not to romantically talk anymore,
Speaker 1: and we just decided to be friends. And we were friends,
Speaker 1: like very good friends for the last year, like really
Speaker 1: really good friends. We talked all the time, and like
Speaker 1: I said, I leaned on her, she leaned on me
Speaker 1: when she was having a bad day, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I mean that was and then maybe
Speaker 1: three times, I want to say, we did hook up,
Speaker 1: you know, friends with benefits about three times over the
Speaker 1: last year, from like November twel yeah whenever. That was.
Speaker 1: So she let me just make sure I'm understanding this correctly.
Speaker 1: She didn't necessarily feel you guys were a couple of
Speaker 1: exclusive couple. But where it kind of went wrong for
Speaker 1: her because obviously she was very upset with you when
Speaker 1: she first got to Paradise was the stagecoach situation. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't really misleading her in the relationship. It was
Speaker 1: just that weekend. Yeah, And to be honest, and Christina
Speaker 1: wasn't really so that conversation was really wrong. It was
Speaker 1: like forty five minute conversation we had and it was
Speaker 1: kind of chopped up and cut up. But she wasn't
Speaker 1: really mad that I had because she knew that we
Speaker 1: were just friends. She wasn't really mad that I'd slept
Speaker 1: with somebody the next night. It was more of that
Speaker 1: I didn't tell her water. She felt like I owed
Speaker 1: her that, and She's right, was very just like we
Speaker 1: were such good friends that she felt disrespected that I
Speaker 1: didn't tell her right away that I had slept with
Speaker 1: Kaitlin next night. That was more. It wasn't that I
Speaker 1: slept with somebody that I didn't tell her. She felt disrespected. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think it's safe to say you guys are good,
Speaker 1: like I've seen her comment on your social media. Yeah,
Speaker 1: guys are good. There's no really like weirdness there. But
Speaker 1: I think where things get a little bit sticky still
Speaker 1: is Kaitlin. So what was your relationship with her? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I was with Colton and he was head FaceTime
Speaker 1: to Cassie. Give me months because I don't think the
Speaker 1: timelines at up, so I want to like put every Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was roughly so the first time I ever like
Speaker 1: it was on the FaceTime was the like, roughly mid December,
Speaker 1: the exact day, December twenty eighteen, you guys, let's go. Um. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: so we had I was just with Colton FaceTime Cassie
Speaker 1: and I was with him, and of course you know
Speaker 1: Kaylen Cassie our best friends. She popped in and I
Speaker 1: said hi. You know, it was one of those Colton's
Speaker 1: like Colton did he like set us up? It was
Speaker 1: one of those it was like you should have his
Speaker 1: number ball at that kind of thing. Started talking. Um
Speaker 1: talked to Hill about mid March. I want to say
Speaker 1: March eighth is when it was kind of like we
Speaker 1: didn't really talk, but we we had talked to Hill
Speaker 1: about mid March, but it wasn't like it was very
Speaker 1: sporadically to find talking because to her, it's facetiming three
Speaker 1: times a day. We definitely didn't FaceTime three times a day.
Speaker 1: We did FaceTime, we did, but it was finely not
Speaker 1: three times a day. And we did it. How much
Speaker 1: was it? Um? I want to say we facetimes twelve
Speaker 1: times probably total in that like, what was that four months? Page?
Speaker 1: Twelve fifteen times? Yeah? Okay, yeah, And you seemed confused, Ali,
Speaker 1: because that is not what Kaylin said. Yeah, that's not
Speaker 1: that is not what she said. Yeah, twelve fifteen times
Speaker 1: through the three months that we talked. Can we get
Speaker 1: your phone records? I'm learning from Chelael. I want the facts. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I guess within that, and I'm trying to establish his
Speaker 1: timeline because, like Ali said, this is where things get sticky.
Speaker 1: Did you watch Women Tell All on Colton Season? I did,
Speaker 1: and that's filmed about February, yep, towards the end of February,
Speaker 1: and you guys were still communicating at this point. You
Speaker 1: get why I'm asking you that question. You watched it, right,
Speaker 1: and what we saw was how emotional Kaylin was about
Speaker 1: Colton and how the love that she had for him,
Speaker 1: and how heartbroken she was and she was crying and
Speaker 1: if as a viewer you felt that, But according to
Speaker 1: what both of you guys are saying, even Kaylin says
Speaker 1: she had talked to you for a few months before
Speaker 1: Stage Coach, So it's confusing as to why you have
Speaker 1: such Kaylin had such tears and talking about Colton and
Speaker 1: how and it seemed very present tense. But in the
Speaker 1: meantime she's talking to you and has some sort of connection,
Speaker 1: you know, for her, it seems like maybe it was deeper,
Speaker 1: but for you it was more of like something casual
Speaker 1: getting to know each other. What was What were your
Speaker 1: thoughts when you watched Women Tell All and you saw that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So and yeah, I think you even kind of saw
Speaker 1: it on Colton's face a little bit. I think he
Speaker 1: was kind of like taken aback by the way because
Speaker 1: he knew that we were talking. I think you kind
Speaker 1: of saw on Colton's face too, he was kind of like,
Speaker 1: didn't they lived together at that point? Didn't Cassie, Kaylin
Speaker 1: and Colton all lived together? Yeah? Basically I think yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just don't think that they had cast at the
Speaker 1: Bachelorette at that point, So that's correct, yes, yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: but everybody does at everybody just what auditions? What they
Speaker 1: did it? Yeah, auditions at the mental all woman, tell all,
Speaker 1: did you do anything like that? I was. I was
Speaker 1: the bachelorte the day after I broke up with Nick,
Speaker 1: and I broke up a very different situation, so but
Speaker 1: the audience didn't know, like you know, like I, but
Speaker 1: I had already been announced before, so it was it
Speaker 1: was I had a very different situation. So I don't
Speaker 1: know how I would have been to be to be fair,
Speaker 1: I'm very well could have done the same thing. I
Speaker 1: don't know. But I think the point is, because we're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out this time time and where things are,
Speaker 1: is that you seemed taken aback by it. Colton seemed
Speaker 1: taken aback by it. It just and that's we talked
Speaker 1: about this the timeline before on the podcast. It just
Speaker 1: didn't make sense that she's saying months ago you guys
Speaker 1: were talking and then I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: tell all, was in between then stuff just didn't add
Speaker 1: up well. And that's why it was. It was a
Speaker 1: little confusing for me too when she was you know,
Speaker 1: because the whole time we were talking, she was in
Speaker 1: negotiations to be bachelor and wanted to be bachelrette, and
Speaker 1: you know, and she had kind of asked me if certain,
Speaker 1: because I was obviously in the running for bachelor, and
Speaker 1: so she had asked me kind of certain things about
Speaker 1: the process and blah blah blah. So like we were
Speaker 1: open about that. She was you know, we were talking,
Speaker 1: but it was like, if she gets bacherette, she's gone,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I guess that's what was like
Speaker 1: confusing to me, is she wanted to be the bacherette
Speaker 1: and she was ready to just like leave and do
Speaker 1: that right away. But then all of a sudden, suddenly
Speaker 1: it's like this very serious and exclusive relationship and that
Speaker 1: so that's where my confusion was. It was like, why
Speaker 1: act how you did on women tall and the fact
Speaker 1: that you want to be bachelorette, and but then you
Speaker 1: didn't get it and suddenly, you know, months later, we
Speaker 1: were in this very serious relationship. So that's where my
Speaker 1: confusion came in and why my face looks so shocked. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't mean to stop this conversation because I know
Speaker 1: it's all flowing, but we really need to take a
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll be back with Blake in just
Speaker 1: a minute. All right, we are back and we're talking
Speaker 1: to Blake. So when was she because that's very interesting
Speaker 1: to me that she's sitting there telling you and in
Speaker 1: negotiations to be the bachelortt so basically saying like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm not committing to you because I have this other
Speaker 1: thing going on. So when did she find out what
Speaker 1: she wasn't the bachelor? I do you know about what
Speaker 1: that time was? Um, it's probably to yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: because I don't even be in March because Hannah was
Speaker 1: announced in March, right, it was probably yeah, let's just
Speaker 1: say give or take March. Okay, so right around March,
Speaker 1: and then when was stagecoach the end of my birthday weekend,
Speaker 1: It's like April twenty first, twenty second, and it seemed
Speaker 1: pretty well. I mean, I think we're going to get
Speaker 1: there to the text messages, but from what it seems
Speaker 1: like at that point and we'll get there, but that
Speaker 1: you were basically telling her not to come over. So
Speaker 1: in between her finding out she's not the bachelorette and
Speaker 1: Stage Coach happening, which is about a month period, did
Speaker 1: you guys have a serious relationship in that four week period? No, no.
Speaker 1: I didn't talk to her basically the whole month of April.
Speaker 1: No until yeah, no until stage coach. Three days before
Speaker 1: stage coach, she texted me and asked, so Colton had
Speaker 1: reached out to me and said, you know, Kim Kaitlin
Speaker 1: stay at our house because I stayed with Colton. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't really feel comfortable, you know,
Speaker 1: with her staying there, Like I don't want to like
Speaker 1: your house at stage at stagecoach. Sorry, yes, And so
Speaker 1: she text me three days before. I was like, you know, um,
Speaker 1: what's the big Like I thought we were on good terms,
Speaker 1: Like why can't I stay with you? And I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, well, first of all, there's
Speaker 1: not like a ton of room, and like I didn't
Speaker 1: want I didn't I didn't want us to feel uncmortable
Speaker 1: together thing in the same house. Um. So that was
Speaker 1: the next time we talked. It was three days before
Speaker 1: stage coach and the next stage coach obviously, but yeah, okay, um,
Speaker 1: I'm like you, I want to get in like text
Speaker 1: messages later. I think a lot of people, well boy,
Speaker 1: let's get into Hannah gee right, oh yeah, so before
Speaker 1: we go too, because like we are I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened to stage coach kay blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: We'll get all that. Hannah Gee. I think I'm a
Speaker 1: little confused about that too. So what was your relationship
Speaker 1: with Hannah Gee? And then well I'll let you answer
Speaker 1: that first, go ahead. So yeah, me and Hannah Gee
Speaker 1: had started talking. Um, I want to say, gosh, I
Speaker 1: can't put them in April, probably the beginning of April,
Speaker 1: maybe mid April. And like when I say talking, I'm
Speaker 1: like nothing like me and kayle like very like just
Speaker 1: we had FaceTime once and it was like late right
Speaker 1: before like paradise, so we don't and it was like
Speaker 1: we never really it was not like I like you.
Speaker 1: It was very surface level talking. But y'all had met
Speaker 1: before got the same management, right, Oh yes, yes, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Yes in person. Yes, we hadn't met in person yet
Speaker 1: we had start talking. Yeah, we'd met well actually I
Speaker 1: met I met her at the Colton's finale and I
Speaker 1: met Tasha Colton Sale two technically like backstage, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I had met her seeing her in person
Speaker 1: kind of thing, but we didn't really really start talking
Speaker 1: until like, yeah, mid April. Rough, So what made you
Speaker 1: want to take the extreme move too? Because you could
Speaker 1: have had a cup of coffee with her, whatever, you
Speaker 1: could have FaceTime with her, but you decided to book
Speaker 1: a plane ticket to Birmingham, Alabama, of all places, which
Speaker 1: isn't easy to get to to have a conversation with her.
Speaker 1: And I believe you when you say you stay on
Speaker 1: the finale. We just had a conversation. She says the
Speaker 1: same thing. Why did you want to do that? I so,
Speaker 1: basically when I had told Hannah about stage Coach the
Speaker 1: way kind of she reacted, kind of I think surprised
Speaker 1: maybe both of us, the way she and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: she really likes me and like and then I felt
Speaker 1: it and I was like I really like her. And
Speaker 1: I was like I have I've ruined this before it
Speaker 1: even begin, Like I have messed this up before it
Speaker 1: could have even started. And I was like in a way,
Speaker 1: I was like panicking, and I was like, how can
Speaker 1: I just even you know, make this right where we
Speaker 1: can start clean in paradise. It was one of those
Speaker 1: it was like obviously, like I've messed up, and like
Speaker 1: I'm starting in the red. I'm in the red, So
Speaker 1: like how and I did. It was like I had
Speaker 1: booked it two hours, you know, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going the next day, and I had booked it,
Speaker 1: and I flew in was in literally in the city
Speaker 1: of Bringham for maybe twelve hours, and we were together
Speaker 1: maybe five or six of those. So it was just
Speaker 1: it was like this panic of I have messed this
Speaker 1: up before it even began, and I want to clean
Speaker 1: start and in order to do that, I want to
Speaker 1: her to talk to her face to face before Paradise.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to have Paradise happen. And all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like she's getting like all of this
Speaker 1: information on the beach and on Nash Television, and she's
Speaker 1: just like, what the heck, Like I wanted to start
Speaker 1: cleaning paradise, if that makes sense to me. Honestly, you're
Speaker 1: super into a girl. You tell her this thing. You're
Speaker 1: trying to be honest and upfront with her. She you're
Speaker 1: afraid of how she's reacting, or now that she reacted weird,
Speaker 1: but maybe she's being closed off or you're just you're
Speaker 1: in your head on how she's reacting and you want
Speaker 1: to make a romantic gesture and like make it right
Speaker 1: and fly across the country. That makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: I think what doesn't make sense is you're saying based
Speaker 1: on that that you obviously were into her at that
Speaker 1: point you thought we have a connection. So why when
Speaker 1: you got to Paradise did you take Tasia on the day? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the million dollar question. And that's it's a weird
Speaker 1: question because Tasia's amazing, don't get me wrong, Like she's
Speaker 1: an incredible woman. So it's like, I bet nobody's ever
Speaker 1: been have to be like, why would you going to
Speaker 1: do with Tasia? But I was into Hannah. I think
Speaker 1: what's confusing maybe to viewers and who aren't in your situation,
Speaker 1: is okay, once you decide that you were going to
Speaker 1: take Tasha on the date, now what with Hannah? Gee? Like,
Speaker 1: take us through your mindset. What were you thinking. Did
Speaker 1: you think, oh, I'll just be able to come back
Speaker 1: and talk to Hannah like it's nothing. Did you think
Speaker 1: that she wouldn't be affected by the decision that you made.
Speaker 1: Did you think maybe she's a hot commodity out here
Speaker 1: on the beach someone else might swoop in? Like what
Speaker 1: were your thoughts? Good questions? I haven't really been asked that. Um.
Speaker 1: So I grabbed Hannah and I told her, you know, listen,
Speaker 1: like I'm taking Tasha on the date, but like we
Speaker 1: have a very strong connection, one of those you know.
Speaker 1: And but I could see on her face that she
Speaker 1: was she was hurt, and she was confused and she
Speaker 1: was frustrated. And I remember her walking away and I
Speaker 1: sat there for like a couple of minutes like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like what have I done kind of thing,
Speaker 1: because I think, in my guts, like I knew, you know,
Speaker 1: I knew that it was gonna like Hannah was who
Speaker 1: I was probably going to pursue in Paradise, and so
Speaker 1: I didn't like I knew like she just said, just
Speaker 1: hot COMMODI and I knew. I knew that Dylan was
Speaker 1: into her. I did, and I knew that and would
Speaker 1: probably get a lot of time to talk to her.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to say like I was so
Speaker 1: confident in us, because I wasn't. Um, but I guess
Speaker 1: I you didn't think Dylan was a threat. I mean
Speaker 1: too would have. I thought he was the only other
Speaker 1: guy on the beach. I did like that if there's
Speaker 1: one guy on this beach, it would be Dylan. Like
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was a threat. Watching at the beginning,
Speaker 1: I'm like, she is not into him. Like I would
Speaker 1: have bet a lot of money that they wouldn't end up.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad they did. They end attorney. I was
Speaker 1: super cute. But my question for you, because sitting here
Speaker 1: listening to you talk about Hannah, you obviously really were
Speaker 1: into her. I think that's very obvious. Do you kind
Speaker 1: of feel like she's the one that got away? Um?
Speaker 1: That's so you mean? I mean in general, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: are you looking at her in relationship, her relationship with
Speaker 1: Dylan thinking that could have been men? Say, I don't actually,
Speaker 1: because I think I'm a huge believer in things happened
Speaker 1: for a reason, And I think, like Dylan and Hannah
Speaker 1: when I saw them at the reunion, like they're adorable
Speaker 1: and like they really are, They're they're great for each other,
Speaker 1: they really really are, and so and even watching them
Speaker 1: while I was down there, one of the conversations I
Speaker 1: had with Hannah early on, because she was struggling that
Speaker 1: love triangle that we were in. She was struggling. I
Speaker 1: told her, I said, listen, one of the things that
Speaker 1: hurt me when the in my season of the bat
Speaker 1: Rite was Becca seemed to cry more over Jason than me,
Speaker 1: and that kind of hurt. And I remember I actually
Speaker 1: sat down with Ben one day and told him that,
Speaker 1: and he's like, man like, it's a weird thing, that
Speaker 1: final two because it's like the last heart that she
Speaker 1: had to break was yours, and then she could go
Speaker 1: and live like you know, and do her thing and
Speaker 1: be in love. And there was the last heart she
Speaker 1: had to break. So it was a bit of a
Speaker 1: relief for her too, And that's why maybe it wasn't
Speaker 1: quite as much of a reaction to her when she
Speaker 1: dumped you. And so I said, when I talked to Hannah,
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, Hannah, I know this is really
Speaker 1: hard right now, but what you got to remember is
Speaker 1: the moment that you give that rose to either one
Speaker 1: of us, you can go and actually enjoy paradise, like
Speaker 1: you can go and actually have a good time in
Speaker 1: paradise and build a relationship. So when I didn't get
Speaker 1: that rose, like, I purposely ignored them. I just stayed
Speaker 1: away from didn't make eye contact. I was like, you guys,
Speaker 1: go do your thing. And then I was able to
Speaker 1: sit there and watch that relationship, and I was like, God,
Speaker 1: they are really really good with each other, and they're
Speaker 1: really good for each other, and they I mean, they
Speaker 1: were like they were in love pretty quick and it
Speaker 1: was very evident, and it was like like you kind
Speaker 1: of forgot they were there a lot. They were like
Speaker 1: you kind of forgot the did yeah, and so it
Speaker 1: was just yeah. So I'm a firm believer, and everything
Speaker 1: happens for a reason. So I think everything happened as
Speaker 1: messed up as it was. I think it happened for
Speaker 1: the for the Hannah and Dylan love story. And I
Speaker 1: do I want to talk about Christina too, because Rachel,
Speaker 1: I know you're really close with Christina, You're really good friends.
Speaker 1: I've always liked Christina. I know Christina from your bridal shower,
Speaker 1: followed her on Instagram flash she's great. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it was, but something happened with Christina this season
Speaker 1: where I don't think she showed her best self. A
Speaker 1: lot of people think what you think, yeah, And I
Speaker 1: mean I think that it was pretty evident. In the
Speaker 1: Union special, she was booed and I was surprised by
Speaker 1: that when people booed her. Okay, I thought that was
Speaker 1: just me who heard that? So I don't think I
Speaker 1: heard it too. I don't remember her getting booed live
Speaker 1: like I was. I got booed. And I have to say,
Speaker 1: I mean I always say this, I blog about every
Speaker 1: episode and I have said throughout I know Christina. I
Speaker 1: know she's a sweet girl, She's a cool girl. What
Speaker 1: is going on with her? Because this girl, what she
Speaker 1: is showing us is not the person that I know.
Speaker 1: Were you ever through this process upset with obviously when
Speaker 1: she confronted you, you you must have been pretty upset on
Speaker 1: that date. What made you guys stay friends throughout all
Speaker 1: of this? So a lot of that's thing. They didn't
Speaker 1: even show my apology to Christina at that first Row ceremony,
Speaker 1: Like I sat her down, we apologize and everything was good.
Speaker 1: So I don't think a lot of people got to
Speaker 1: see how much we were kind of there for each other,
Speaker 1: and especially how much she was there for me throughout Paradise,
Speaker 1: And so I think that for some reason it just
Speaker 1: didn't get shown. And so she was always somebody who
Speaker 1: was kind of coming up to me and be like,
Speaker 1: you know, keep your head up, like you're not a
Speaker 1: horrible person, Like she was there and so for some reason,
Speaker 1: our relationship just didn't really get shown a lot. There
Speaker 1: was obviously a ton going on, and so yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean there at the end, We've always, like I said,
Speaker 1: been really good friends, obviously very sexually attracted to each other.
Speaker 1: She's gorgeous, and I got to the point where I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, like what else do you need
Speaker 1: in a relationship? You know, it was like, we've never
Speaker 1: really been two feet in, We've never gone one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, let's do this, you know.
Speaker 1: I was just like, let's do this thing. And it
Speaker 1: didn't work out. And I there's no I don't blame
Speaker 1: her at all for that, Like at all. She I
Speaker 1: was trying to be patient, you know, and I told
Speaker 1: her I knew it would take her a while to
Speaker 1: get there. I knew I had made a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 1: But yeah, she just couldn't, Like she said, she bared
Speaker 1: those feelings too deep and couldn't get there. And I
Speaker 1: respect her for that, for being honest with me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that. Well. One I guess I didn't understand
Speaker 1: why the viewers were so on Christina. You know, that's
Speaker 1: for another podcast, because this is about you. But and
Speaker 1: maybe I'm biased, because you know, I do know her.
Speaker 1: I think you are a little bit bias, but I
Speaker 1: thought it, but I didn't. I think just because here's
Speaker 1: the thing in baster Nation. If you don't talk sunshine
Speaker 1: and blue skies and you do anything off the straight path,
Speaker 1: people turn on you. Like Christina, what you have seen
Speaker 1: of her so far is one thing, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, she's being very blunt, like hey, I'm just
Speaker 1: here to get a friendship rose hey, and people like
Speaker 1: wait a minute, woo, you're breaking the rules, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden people start to deter But that's that's
Speaker 1: neither here nor there. Oh god, that's interesting because that's
Speaker 1: the Christina I've always known. I didn't really watch on
Speaker 1: nixt seas I didn't know in Paradise, So like, the
Speaker 1: blunt Christina is the first thing I've always known. Blunt
Speaker 1: is one thing. But I think she said things like
Speaker 1: oh no, no, honey, like just talk down on people
Speaker 1: at times, and it's funny bad. Yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: if I was like, if I was like, oh no, no, honey,
Speaker 1: when like when we're having a disagreement, that's that's condescending.
Speaker 1: But check this out that girl. What was her name? Caitlin, Caitlin. Okay,
Speaker 1: Caitlin comes up to her being totally fired up by Kaitlin, like,
Speaker 1: oh girl, blah blah blah, Christina's this. They're literally talking
Speaker 1: shit about Christina. Caitlin comes over and has this conversation
Speaker 1: with it. Like, I thought the whole thing was stupid.
Speaker 1: If I were Christina, I wouldn't have even played into it.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I thought Kaylin never Caitlin
Speaker 1: never should have come over and even said anything to her.
Speaker 1: I thought it was messy for her, and I wish
Speaker 1: Christina hadn't responded to it. But I think Christina, you
Speaker 1: could see the frustration, like, girl, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Why are you over here even talking to me about it?
Speaker 1: And so I just think there's a nicer way to
Speaker 1: I don't think she was nice about it, And that's
Speaker 1: the thing. Caitlin wasn't nice either coming over, and that's
Speaker 1: the thing. It's like, you know, I don't agree Caitlin
Speaker 1: should have never Okay, we're digressing, but kay should never
Speaker 1: come over the back to Christina, do you have a
Speaker 1: question about Christina? Aways want to say though, before we
Speaker 1: move on my point in This is because I do
Speaker 1: know Christina. I do like Christina. I think she's blunt,
Speaker 1: and I do like people were mad at her this
Speaker 1: season and the reason she got booed or that people
Speaker 1: have had that direction to hers because I feel like
Speaker 1: she didn't put it her best self forward in some
Speaker 1: moments that were shown. That's what I'm saying. I think
Speaker 1: she's great, she didn't put the best report. That's it.
Speaker 1: Let's move on with Christina. I think watching the way
Speaker 1: you turned on Christina, I remember thinking, Wow, Blake is
Speaker 1: really a hopeless romantic and I saw it when I
Speaker 1: saw you say Christina, She's been in front of me
Speaker 1: the entire time, and I thought, gosh, Blake really wants
Speaker 1: a relationship. He really wants, for lack of better words,
Speaker 1: a fairytale situation. He was like, you were almost forcing
Speaker 1: something that wasn't quite there because you want it so bad.
Speaker 1: And so my question to you is, Christina, y'all are
Speaker 1: good friends. She knows you well, she knows you better
Speaker 1: than we do, and on a level that other people
Speaker 1: viewers don't, knowing that Christina knows all that about you,
Speaker 1: knowing that Christina knows what happened at stagecoach. Knowing that
Speaker 1: Christina was on the beach with you and watched you
Speaker 1: navigate several relationships and really fight for Hannah Gee and
Speaker 1: all of that. Why would you think then that she
Speaker 1: would be so accepting to a relationship with you at
Speaker 1: that point. But I think she would be so Honestly,
Speaker 1: I didn't like I. So I remember the night where
Speaker 1: I had that Christina moment and it was I was
Speaker 1: actually gonna go talk with somebody else and I went
Speaker 1: up to the production and I was like I can't.
Speaker 1: I was like, I need to go talk to Christina.
Speaker 1: I was like I have to talk to her, Like
Speaker 1: there's something going on like inside me right now. I
Speaker 1: need to go talk to her. And I remember going
Speaker 1: up to her. I didn't have anything planned. It was
Speaker 1: just straight off. I mean, I think you got to
Speaker 1: kind of see that. I was like in my head too,
Speaker 1: I was kind of panicking because I was like, this
Speaker 1: is suddenly for me too, this is weird, and like
Speaker 1: I was, so when I sat her down, I didn't
Speaker 1: think and I told her, if you don't see anything
Speaker 1: with me, don't give me the rose. You know. I
Speaker 1: was like, don't give me that rose. If you don't
Speaker 1: see anything. I will go home perfectly fine. You know.
Speaker 1: So I it was. It wasn't like a popular thing
Speaker 1: to do. I knew there was the girls on the beach.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be like, well here, you know, Blake thinks
Speaker 1: now it's Christina. Like, I knew it was going to
Speaker 1: be an unpopular thing, but I had to do it anyway,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do it anyway. Like yeah, I
Speaker 1: kind of felt like it was did you just so
Speaker 1: badly want to have a relationship out of paradise? So
Speaker 1: because it kind of seemed like a last ditch, like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw something at the wall and see what sticks.
Speaker 1: I know, I knew it was going to look like that,
Speaker 1: and I know, hold a hail Mary lest Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I know it was gonna look like that when
Speaker 1: I was down there, I knew it was going to
Speaker 1: look like that. But it was one of those things where, like,
Speaker 1: I know, I in the moment, I was all in.
Speaker 1: I really was. I know, it's so weird, I know,
Speaker 1: and like the way it looked, but it was one
Speaker 1: of those things where it's like me and Christina, she
Speaker 1: cares about me, I care about her. We've never ever
Speaker 1: been on a percent and that's kind of my mindset
Speaker 1: at the time. Yet, and I have to commend you
Speaker 1: because I was doubtful. I mean I was I called
Speaker 1: it a hail Mary last week. I thought I knew
Speaker 1: you were watching it. I was like, he's such a
Speaker 1: hopeless romantic. But I was so proud of you when
Speaker 1: you didn't go on the date with Break. I was
Speaker 1: scared too. I was scared. I was like, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: she's gonna go on this day, poor Christie. I mean
Speaker 1: you saw Christina was like strong, and I'm so proud
Speaker 1: of you for that. If we can give you a compliment,
Speaker 1: he did not people would have reamed you oh god, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and I never actually like thought about it, you know,
Speaker 1: like it was great. It was great TV because I
Speaker 1: even was like, did I go on a date? Because
Speaker 1: the way they were showing it, I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about Christina now? Because I guess
Speaker 1: one thing that I did think, and I know I
Speaker 1: saw some comments from people who also thought this, um
Speaker 1: is that because you had such a rough beginning in Paradise,
Speaker 1: like really rough, I really truly felt for you because
Speaker 1: I don't think you deserved everything that you got uh,
Speaker 1: not even a fraction, um, but that you maybe in
Speaker 1: the back of your head somewhere might have thought, if
Speaker 1: I get out of this paradise in a relationship, I'm
Speaker 1: going to save face. To be honest, No, because I
Speaker 1: knew that I was probably gonna get even more hate
Speaker 1: by going after Christina, and I did like if I
Speaker 1: had just gone home at that point, like that would
Speaker 1: have been the end of it. And then but by staying,
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna get even more hate, which
Speaker 1: I did end up getting more hate with Christina. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily about saving face. It was more about,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Christine is like said, Christine has been
Speaker 1: here the whole time, right in front of me, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I think one thing people really want to know because
Speaker 1: they know there was all this pre paradise thing. And
Speaker 1: even on the finale, I really felt you when you
Speaker 1: were like, I feel like I took away from people's
Speaker 1: paradise experience because I had had these relationships before and
Speaker 1: they carried into paradise. And you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: how you didn't think that that wasn't going to affect paradise.
Speaker 1: But that's neither here nor there. But what truly when
Speaker 1: you walked on that beach, what were your intentions for Paradise?
Speaker 1: What did you really want out of the whole thing,
Speaker 1: because that has gotten lost in all the drama that
Speaker 1: is surrounded Paradise. Yeah, I was. I was excited for Paradise.
Speaker 1: I really was. I was really excited to get out
Speaker 1: there another chance to like find somebody, and I when
Speaker 1: I walked on to the beach, I was excited about Hannah.
Speaker 1: I was. And I was excited because I had I
Speaker 1: had such as hard as the Bachelor. It was. It
Speaker 1: was such an amazing experience for me. So going into Para,
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be at least, you know,
Speaker 1: somewhat similar to that. Because I had such a goo experience,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, Paradise is gonna be
Speaker 1: awesome too. Like obviously it was way harder than I anticipated. Um,
Speaker 1: but I was. I was super excited. I really wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wanted to find somebody, and I wanted a relationship
Speaker 1: and I wanted to leave there and be at that
Speaker 1: reunion and be able to sit on that couch with somebody.
Speaker 1: What is your birthday, Peple twenty seconds. You're a tourist, too. Kay.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just like to understand people through their
Speaker 1: astrological side. IM sorry. So given everything that happened, it
Speaker 1: was obvious it took. It took a huge emotional toll
Speaker 1: on you. I mean, you were really beating yourself up
Speaker 1: in paradise. Why not just leave? Yeah? And I get
Speaker 1: asked that a lot. Uh. And for me, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to give up on love. Like I didn't. I
Speaker 1: am a bit of a holes romantic and there's a
Speaker 1: saying and it's it's one of my favorite and it's,
Speaker 1: you know, here only two toxic relationships, three mental breakdowns,
Speaker 1: and one rock bottom from finding your soul mate. And
Speaker 1: like at that point, I was like, okay, I've been through.
Speaker 1: If I can get through this and I can still
Speaker 1: find somebody, I was like, this will all be worth it,
Speaker 1: you know. It's one of those like this is all
Speaker 1: going to be worth it, you know. And so I
Speaker 1: didn't want to give up on that. And that's that's
Speaker 1: why I stayed after all, you know, after all of it,
Speaker 1: because there was points where I was like I should
Speaker 1: just leave, I should get out of here, but it
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm going to stay. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to give up. I'm not going to be a coward.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to run away from this. I'm going
Speaker 1: to own everything and I'm going to continue to try
Speaker 1: and find someone. Okay, Blake, I know today wasn't easy,
Speaker 1: and I just want to thank you so much for
Speaker 1: trusting us and being so honest and vulnerable with us.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you coming out to talk with us
Speaker 1: and just telling your side of the story. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we're actually going to have you back next week because
Speaker 1: there are so much more to talk about. I feel
Speaker 1: like we really just skimmed the surface and it was
Speaker 1: just too much to all fit into one podcast. So
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