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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm

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Speaker 1: Rachel and I'm here of course with none other than Alan,

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Speaker 1: and we have a great podcast for you today. We

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Speaker 1: really do. And I know, I know we say this

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Speaker 1: every week. We're like Chris Harrison, right, how Chris we are?

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Speaker 1: Harrison says the most dramatic rose ceremony ever or finale ever.

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Speaker 1: But this really is a great podcast because we have

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Speaker 1: Blake here. We had Dean last week, so thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in last week. But this week

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Speaker 1: with Blake is going to be good. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: a really big week because, unfortunately, to the dismay of

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Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation, we saw the end of Paradise. But at

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Speaker 1: the same time we saw three engagements, which I don't

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Speaker 1: know is that on par Is That a record? Because

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Speaker 1: I have to admit this, I've actually never finished a

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Speaker 1: full season of Bachelor in Paradise. This is the first

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Speaker 1: time I have watched beginning to end. So of course

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Speaker 1: this is why I have so many opinions, because I've

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Speaker 1: seen it in a way I've never seen before. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, things come in three right engagements.

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Speaker 1: We saw the inn of Paradise, but we also got

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Speaker 1: a new bachelor, a new bachelor, and let's go right there.

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Speaker 1: Let's just go with that, all right, go ahead, because

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Speaker 1: you know I'm pumped that Peter is a new bachelor.

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Speaker 1: I've been rooting for him from the get go. But

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Speaker 1: you we're hoping for someone else. So tell me, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: Pretend I'm your therapist here. Tell me what's how you're feeling.

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Speaker 1: I fell asleep for a second when you're talking about man. Okay,

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Speaker 1: in all honesty, I'm saying is I'm joking. Remember compliment sandwich.

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Speaker 1: I think Peter seems like a super sweet guy. He's

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Speaker 1: an attractive guy. He seems to be easygoing and fun loving.

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Speaker 1: And I am not saying that he won't be a

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Speaker 1: great bachelor. Not my issue. Um, but I have to

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Speaker 1: say that I'll be watching this season through a lens

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Speaker 1: of sadness because I know people will jump on me

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Speaker 1: and they're going to interpret this whole thing that I'm

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Speaker 1: against Peter, and I'm not. It's it's honestly, it's not

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Speaker 1: about Peter. For me, it's truly bigger than Peter because,

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Speaker 1: as I've said multiple times, whether it be on this

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Speaker 1: podcast or in some other form of media, Mike Johnson

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Speaker 1: should have been the Bachelor of season twenty four period.

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Speaker 1: That's my opinion. It's time. It's bigger than a Peter.

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Speaker 1: We have seen so many seasons of Peters, and I

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Speaker 1: just feel like now it's the time for something different.

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Speaker 1: But I will say, I'm going to assume that if

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Speaker 1: Mike wasn't chosen, there's a reason. I'm gonna go ahead

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Speaker 1: and say that. I'm gonna admit that if I don't

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Speaker 1: know what that reason is, but if he wasn't chosen,

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Speaker 1: from the friendships and what I know about production, there

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Speaker 1: has to be some good reason why they chose not

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Speaker 1: to pick him. But I feel like there is a

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Speaker 1: bigger problem here, and there's a bigger issue, and I

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Speaker 1: can't excuse it, and I can't look past it. This

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Speaker 1: show has been on for seventeen years and in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: it disappoints me that the Bachelor franchise does not reflect reality.

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Speaker 1: It's not reflective of what the real world looks like

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Speaker 1: go beyond color, I can talk about the way people look,

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Speaker 1: you know, ages whatever it doesn't it isn't reflective of that.

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Speaker 1: And I personally don't feel like I want to watch

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Speaker 1: another season where you know, the same people make it

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Speaker 1: as far as they do, the leads look the same way.

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Speaker 1: You have, certain people make it to a certain point

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Speaker 1: to fill a quota, and I just don't want to

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Speaker 1: watch another season that caters to one specific audience and

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Speaker 1: just isn't reflective of what the real world looks like.

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Speaker 1: And to be honest, I'm bored. I'm not necessarily bored

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Speaker 1: with the drama, because I think Hannah had an entertaining

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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, Vanilla isn't the only dessert that's out

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Speaker 1: there flavor of dessert, and white isn't the only color

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Speaker 1: in the crayon box. But if you watch Bachelor Nation

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Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise, that is what we see when it pertains

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Speaker 1: two leads, And I think my biggest thing is that

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Speaker 1: as I said, I have friends in production, I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't have anything negative to say about the franchise

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Speaker 1: in that sense, but you have to admit that and

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Speaker 1: I think that they want to see a person of

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Speaker 1: color as the lead. But whatever, but the system as

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Speaker 1: And this is the thing, it's a weird thing, because

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Speaker 1: you're right, with Peter being the Bachelor, we probably will

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Speaker 1: see similar girls from past seasons make it far, and

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Speaker 1: whoever makes it far becomes the next lead, right, And

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, I just don't think Mike made it far enough.

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Speaker 1: Well you can't that because he made it farther than Hannah,

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Speaker 1: and Hannah got to become the lead. And I didn't

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Speaker 1: think Hannah should have been the lead. But and I agree, well,

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Speaker 1: but for different reasons, because I just wanted somebody who

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Speaker 1: back and do what they haven't done in a bauchlor

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Speaker 1: Rest season, what we've seen for Bachelor's seasons. But in yeah,

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Speaker 1: we liked Hannah as a lead. Yeah, when she was chosen,

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Speaker 1: we were like everybody was. And if you if you

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Speaker 1: say different, you're lying. But I think, like I said,

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Speaker 1: is some reason for that. I get it. I want

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Speaker 1: just feel like I don't want to hear anything about

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Speaker 1: the process and in picking the lead because I have

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Speaker 1: watched over these last three years the franchise for quote

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Speaker 1: unquote break the rules. Okay, now, granted I started just

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Speaker 1: watching this show three years ago, so there's also that,

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Speaker 1: but they broke the rules in Nick Vile season, Ari season,

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Speaker 1: they went back years in Picnic. Same thing they did

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Speaker 1: for Ari. They broke the mold with Hannah Bee because

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Speaker 1: they didn't pick somebody out of the top four. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what she was, eight nine, seven, tenth something.

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Speaker 1: She wasn't in the top four. She didn't make it

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Speaker 1: to hometowns. With Colton, they changed the rules because he

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Speaker 1: and the franchise has given me a scapegoat for it

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Speaker 1: is the Demi Christian situation, because I am all for

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Speaker 1: Demi and Christian and their relationship, and I think it

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Speaker 1: what the real world looks like. Same sex relationships are prevalent,

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Speaker 1: they are real, and they happen all the time, and

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Speaker 1: I think it was beautiful that the franchise highlighted that. However,

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Speaker 1: And people are praising it and they're excited about and

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Speaker 1: they're happy about it. So my thing is, why can't

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Speaker 1: you break the rules again to bring an outsider in

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Speaker 1: the franchise to demonstrate having a person of color as

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Speaker 1: the lead. And I don't mean black because I'm black.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking. It could be Indian, it could be Asian.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to Cali one baffalo because it was

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Speaker 1: just such a disaster. Back in the day, they used

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Speaker 1: not doing that again? If you really want to see

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Speaker 1: interviewing people, because we can all admit that the system

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Speaker 1: as is is absolutely not working and I need to

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Speaker 1: interview people. Sorry, I just don't. So when they would

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Speaker 1: bring people in as the lead, they didn't come from

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Speaker 1: the past season. Necessarily for the women they did, but

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Speaker 1: it back then, but these people weren't from somebody else's season.

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Speaker 1: When it came to the Bachelor, I'm meant that they

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Speaker 1: interviewed candidates. And again, thank you, because you gave me

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Speaker 1: something to hang my hat on. Now that I've seen

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Speaker 1: saying at this point, time is up, and ILLY fully

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Speaker 1: far in the Demian Christian situation. I cannot argue with that.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree. Listen. I feel like I could go

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Speaker 1: But I feel like at this point I've said my

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Speaker 1: and I have to move on. Peter's the Bachelor. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: to Peter. And we have a lot more to talk

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Speaker 1: about other than just who's the next Bachelor. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: absolutely do. Because Blake is here today. He is nervous.

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Speaker 1: him about. So we're going to do that in just

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Speaker 1: a minute. All right, Shall we just jump in here?

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Speaker 1: Do it? Talk about how we're all matching right now?

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Speaker 1: How weird is it? You guys? All right? So for

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Speaker 1: is all of you because this is a podcast. Somehow, Rachel, Blake,

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Speaker 1: We all follow you, Ali, and we know what your

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Speaker 1: feed looks like and they're like, you know what, Ali's

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Speaker 1: that we're on brand. Thank you. But I also think

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Speaker 1: it's the sign of a really good podcast. That's what

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Speaker 1: wonder what it says about each of our personalities because

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Speaker 1: of our shade of gene. Probably nothing, No, I think

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Speaker 1: it does. Mine are ripped up, raggedy, rough around the edges. Hello,

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Speaker 1: all right, what are yours? They're kind a little beat up? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Is that how you're feeling right now? A little bit

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Speaker 1: little bruise. Yeah, let's let's get into all of this.

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Speaker 1: Um where should we begin? I would say let's just

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Speaker 1: start with asking how are you? I'm doing I'm doing better.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good. Um, yeah, I mean it's been a

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Speaker 1: something that I've been I've been waiting for, kind of

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Speaker 1: taking it day by day and yeah, so how dark

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Speaker 1: has this tunnel gone? Because we've talked about this on

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Speaker 1: the podcast before, is that this show as amazing as

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Speaker 1: it is, we'll have to watch it. Great love stories

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Speaker 1: come out of it. There's also a lot of mental

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Speaker 1: and emotional I don't know, baggage, I don't even know

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Speaker 1: how to say it, but just stuff that comes along

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Speaker 1: a dark place like did did you get there? Like? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I would, you know, I'm not quite ready

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Speaker 1: so she had kind of helped me navigate. I want

426
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,680
Speaker 1: to expect in that kind of thing. You know, it's

427
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: like somebody that could lean on coming, you know, coming

428
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 1: in this world and all of a sudden being with

429
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 1: all this attention, all these weird endorsements and weird events

430
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 1: and all that, and so we did. We got really close,

431
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 1: and I was I was really into Christina and we

432
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,360
Speaker 1: were really into each other. And from about say September

433
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 1: to the end of November roughly, we were talking, we

434
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 1: were hanging out, and unfortunately it just it didn't work out.

435
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 1: And a lot of that I put on myself. I

436
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 1: do um. I was busy. I was doing an event

437
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 1: every weekend, and I just felt she was kind of

438
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: like over it. She's like, I've been in this world

439
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 1: I've did it for the last year. I'm over it,

440
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, I'm this, I'm in it.

441
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 1: I'm like right in the middle of it right now.

442
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 1: And I feel like I will maybe resent you if

443
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: I decide, like you know what, I'm not going to

444
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 1: go to this evandah blah blah blah. She she the

445
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,199
Speaker 1: cool thing about was she was totally got it. She

446
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 1: was like, I get it. I've been doing I've done

447
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 1: where what you're doing right now. But we decided, you know,

448
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be able to give her what she wanted,

449
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,959
Speaker 1: you know, and so we decided not to romantically talk anymore,

450
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: and we just decided to be friends. And we were friends,

451
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 1: like very good friends for the last year, like really

452
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: really good friends. We talked all the time, and like

453
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: I said, I leaned on her, she leaned on me

454
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: when she was having a bad day, that kind of thing.

455
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I mean that was and then maybe

456
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 1: three times, I want to say, we did hook up,

457
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, friends with benefits about three times over the

458
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 1: last year, from like November twel yeah whenever. That was.

459
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 1: So she let me just make sure I'm understanding this correctly.

460
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 1: She didn't necessarily feel you guys were a couple of

461
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 1: exclusive couple. But where it kind of went wrong for

462
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: her because obviously she was very upset with you when

463
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 1: she first got to Paradise was the stagecoach situation. So

464
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 1: it wasn't really misleading her in the relationship. It was

465
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: just that weekend. Yeah, And to be honest, and Christina

466
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: wasn't really so that conversation was really wrong. It was

467
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: like forty five minute conversation we had and it was

468
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: kind of chopped up and cut up. But she wasn't

469
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 1: really mad that I had because she knew that we

470
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 1: were just friends. She wasn't really mad that I'd slept

471
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: with somebody the next night. It was more of that

472
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: I didn't tell her water. She felt like I owed

473
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,479
Speaker 1: her that, and She's right, was very just like we

474
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: were such good friends that she felt disrespected that I

475
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: didn't tell her right away that I had slept with

476
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: Kaitlin next night. That was more. It wasn't that I

477
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: slept with somebody that I didn't tell her. She felt disrespected. Yeah,

478
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: so I think it's safe to say you guys are good,

479
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: like I've seen her comment on your social media. Yeah,

480
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: guys are good. There's no really like weirdness there. But

481
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: I think where things get a little bit sticky still

482
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: is Kaitlin. So what was your relationship with her? Uh? Yeah,

483
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: so I was with Colton and he was head FaceTime

484
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: to Cassie. Give me months because I don't think the

485
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: timelines at up, so I want to like put every Yeah,

486
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: this was roughly so the first time I ever like

487
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: it was on the FaceTime was the like, roughly mid December,

488
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 1: the exact day, December twenty eighteen, you guys, let's go. Um. So, yeah,

489
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 1: so we had I was just with Colton FaceTime Cassie

490
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: and I was with him, and of course you know

491
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 1: Kaylen Cassie our best friends. She popped in and I

492
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: said hi. You know, it was one of those Colton's

493
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: like Colton did he like set us up? It was

494
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: one of those it was like you should have his

495
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: number ball at that kind of thing. Started talking. Um

496
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: talked to Hill about mid March. I want to say

497
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: March eighth is when it was kind of like we

498
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 1: didn't really talk, but we we had talked to Hill

499
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: about mid March, but it wasn't like it was very

500
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: sporadically to find talking because to her, it's facetiming three

501
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: times a day. We definitely didn't FaceTime three times a day.

502
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: We did FaceTime, we did, but it was finely not

503
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 1: three times a day. And we did it. How much

504
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: was it? Um? I want to say we facetimes twelve

505
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: times probably total in that like, what was that four months? Page?

506
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: Twelve fifteen times? Yeah? Okay, yeah, And you seemed confused, Ali,

507
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: because that is not what Kaylin said. Yeah, that's not

508
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: that is not what she said. Yeah, twelve fifteen times

509
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: through the three months that we talked. Can we get

510
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: your phone records? I'm learning from Chelael. I want the facts. Yeah, um,

511
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: I guess within that, and I'm trying to establish his

512
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: timeline because, like Ali said, this is where things get sticky.

513
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: Did you watch Women Tell All on Colton Season? I did,

514
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: and that's filmed about February, yep, towards the end of February,

515
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: and you guys were still communicating at this point. You

516
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: get why I'm asking you that question. You watched it, right,

517
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: and what we saw was how emotional Kaylin was about

518
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: Colton and how the love that she had for him,

519
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: and how heartbroken she was and she was crying and

520
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 1: if as a viewer you felt that, But according to

521
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: what both of you guys are saying, even Kaylin says

522
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: she had talked to you for a few months before

523
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: Stage Coach, So it's confusing as to why you have

524
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: such Kaylin had such tears and talking about Colton and

525
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: how and it seemed very present tense. But in the

526
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: meantime she's talking to you and has some sort of connection,

527
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: you know, for her, it seems like maybe it was deeper,

528
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: but for you it was more of like something casual

529
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: getting to know each other. What was What were your

530
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: thoughts when you watched Women Tell All and you saw that? Yeah?

531
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: So and yeah, I think you even kind of saw

532
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 1: it on Colton's face a little bit. I think he

533
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: was kind of like taken aback by the way because

534
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: he knew that we were talking. I think you kind

535
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: of saw on Colton's face too, he was kind of like,

536
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: didn't they lived together at that point? Didn't Cassie, Kaylin

537
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 1: and Colton all lived together? Yeah? Basically I think yeah, yeah, yeah,

538
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: I just don't think that they had cast at the

539
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: Bachelorette at that point, So that's correct, yes, yea, yeah,

540
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: but everybody does at everybody just what auditions? What they

541
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: did it? Yeah, auditions at the mental all woman, tell all,

542
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: did you do anything like that? I was. I was

543
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: the bachelorte the day after I broke up with Nick,

544
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: and I broke up a very different situation, so but

545
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: the audience didn't know, like you know, like I, but

546
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: I had already been announced before, so it was it

547
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: was I had a very different situation. So I don't

548
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: know how I would have been to be to be fair,

549
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: I'm very well could have done the same thing. I

550
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: don't know. But I think the point is, because we're

551
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: trying to figure out this time time and where things are,

552
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: is that you seemed taken aback by it. Colton seemed

553
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: taken aback by it. It just and that's we talked

554
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: about this the timeline before on the podcast. It just

555
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: didn't make sense that she's saying months ago you guys

556
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: were talking and then I was like, wait a minute,

557
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: tell all, was in between then stuff just didn't add

558
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: up well. And that's why it was. It was a

559
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: little confusing for me too when she was you know,

560
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: because the whole time we were talking, she was in

561
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: negotiations to be bachelor and wanted to be bachelrette, and

562
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, and she had kind of asked me if certain,

563
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: because I was obviously in the running for bachelor, and

564
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: so she had asked me kind of certain things about

565
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: the process and blah blah blah. So like we were

566
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: open about that. She was you know, we were talking,

567
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: but it was like, if she gets bacherette, she's gone,

568
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: you know. And so I guess that's what was like

569
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: confusing to me, is she wanted to be the bacherette

570
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: and she was ready to just like leave and do

571
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: that right away. But then all of a sudden, suddenly

572
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: it's like this very serious and exclusive relationship and that

573
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: so that's where my confusion was. It was like, why

574
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: act how you did on women tall and the fact

575
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: that you want to be bachelorette, and but then you

576
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: didn't get it and suddenly, you know, months later, we

577
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: were in this very serious relationship. So that's where my

578
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: confusion came in and why my face looks so shocked. Okay,

579
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: I don't mean to stop this conversation because I know

580
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: it's all flowing, but we really need to take a

581
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll be back with Blake in just

582
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: a minute. All right, we are back and we're talking

583
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: to Blake. So when was she because that's very interesting

584
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: to me that she's sitting there telling you and in

585
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: negotiations to be the bachelortt so basically saying like, hey,

586
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm not committing to you because I have this other

587
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: thing going on. So when did she find out what

588
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: she wasn't the bachelor? I do you know about what

589
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: that time was? Um, it's probably to yeah, I don't

590
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: because I don't even be in March because Hannah was

591
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: announced in March, right, it was probably yeah, let's just

592
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: say give or take March. Okay, so right around March,

593
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: and then when was stagecoach the end of my birthday weekend,

594
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: It's like April twenty first, twenty second, and it seemed

595
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: pretty well. I mean, I think we're going to get

596
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 1: there to the text messages, but from what it seems

597
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: like at that point and we'll get there, but that

598
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: you were basically telling her not to come over. So

599
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: in between her finding out she's not the bachelorette and

600
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: Stage Coach happening, which is about a month period, did

601
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: you guys have a serious relationship in that four week period? No, no.

602
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: I didn't talk to her basically the whole month of April.

603
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: No until yeah, no until stage coach. Three days before

604
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: stage coach, she texted me and asked, so Colton had

605
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: reached out to me and said, you know, Kim Kaitlin

606
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: stay at our house because I stayed with Colton. And

607
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't really feel comfortable, you know,

608
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: with her staying there, Like I don't want to like

609
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: your house at stage at stagecoach. Sorry, yes, And so

610
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: she text me three days before. I was like, you know, um,

611
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: what's the big Like I thought we were on good terms,

612
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: Like why can't I stay with you? And I was like,

613
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, well, first of all, there's

614
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: not like a ton of room, and like I didn't

615
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: want I didn't I didn't want us to feel uncmortable

616
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: together thing in the same house. Um. So that was

617
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: the next time we talked. It was three days before

618
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: stage coach and the next stage coach obviously, but yeah, okay, um,

619
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: I'm like you, I want to get in like text

620
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: messages later. I think a lot of people, well boy,

621
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: let's get into Hannah gee right, oh yeah, so before

622
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: we go too, because like we are I don't know

623
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: what happened to stage coach kay blah blah blah blah.

624
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: We'll get all that. Hannah Gee. I think I'm a

625
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: little confused about that too. So what was your relationship

626
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: with Hannah Gee? And then well I'll let you answer

627
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: that first, go ahead. So yeah, me and Hannah Gee

628
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: had started talking. Um, I want to say, gosh, I

629
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: can't put them in April, probably the beginning of April,

630
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: maybe mid April. And like when I say talking, I'm

631
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: like nothing like me and kayle like very like just

632
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 1: we had FaceTime once and it was like late right

633
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: before like paradise, so we don't and it was like

634
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: we never really it was not like I like you.

635
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: It was very surface level talking. But y'all had met

636
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: before got the same management, right, Oh yes, yes, I'm sorry,

637
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: Yes in person. Yes, we hadn't met in person yet

638
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: we had start talking. Yeah, we'd met well actually I

639
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: met I met her at the Colton's finale and I

640
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: met Tasha Colton Sale two technically like backstage, so yeah,

641
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: I mean I had met her seeing her in person

642
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: kind of thing, but we didn't really really start talking

643
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: until like, yeah, mid April. Rough, So what made you

644
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: want to take the extreme move too? Because you could

645
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: have had a cup of coffee with her, whatever, you

646
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: could have FaceTime with her, but you decided to book

647
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: a plane ticket to Birmingham, Alabama, of all places, which

648
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: isn't easy to get to to have a conversation with her.

649
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: And I believe you when you say you stay on

650
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: the finale. We just had a conversation. She says the

651
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: same thing. Why did you want to do that? I so,

652
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: basically when I had told Hannah about stage Coach the

653
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: way kind of she reacted, kind of I think surprised

654
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: maybe both of us, the way she and I was like, well,

655
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: she really likes me and like and then I felt

656
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: it and I was like I really like her. And

657
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: I was like I have I've ruined this before it

658
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: even begin, Like I have messed this up before it

659
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: could have even started. And I was like in a way,

660
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: I was like panicking, and I was like, how can

661
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: I just even you know, make this right where we

662
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: can start clean in paradise. It was one of those

663
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: it was like obviously, like I've messed up, and like

664
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm starting in the red. I'm in the red, So

665
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: like how and I did. It was like I had

666
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: booked it two hours, you know, and I was like,

667
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm going the next day, and I had booked it,

668
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: and I flew in was in literally in the city

669
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: of Bringham for maybe twelve hours, and we were together

670
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: maybe five or six of those. So it was just

671
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: it was like this panic of I have messed this

672
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: up before it even began, and I want to clean

673
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: start and in order to do that, I want to

674
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: her to talk to her face to face before Paradise.

675
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: I didn't want to have Paradise happen. And all of

676
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like she's getting like all of this

677
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: information on the beach and on Nash Television, and she's

678
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: just like, what the heck, Like I wanted to start

679
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: cleaning paradise, if that makes sense to me. Honestly, you're

680
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: super into a girl. You tell her this thing. You're

681
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: trying to be honest and upfront with her. She you're

682
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: afraid of how she's reacting, or now that she reacted weird,

683
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: but maybe she's being closed off or you're just you're

684
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: in your head on how she's reacting and you want

685
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: to make a romantic gesture and like make it right

686
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: and fly across the country. That makes sense to me.

687
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: I think what doesn't make sense is you're saying based

688
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: on that that you obviously were into her at that

689
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: point you thought we have a connection. So why when

690
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: you got to Paradise did you take Tasia on the day? Yeah? Yeah,

691
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: that's the million dollar question. And that's it's a weird

692
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,239
Speaker 1: question because Tasia's amazing, don't get me wrong, Like she's

693
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 1: an incredible woman. So it's like, I bet nobody's ever

694
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: been have to be like, why would you going to

695
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: do with Tasia? But I was into Hannah. I think

696
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: what's confusing maybe to viewers and who aren't in your situation,

697
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: is okay, once you decide that you were going to

698
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: take Tasha on the date, now what with Hannah? Gee? Like,

699
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: take us through your mindset. What were you thinking. Did

700
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: you think, oh, I'll just be able to come back

701
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: and talk to Hannah like it's nothing. Did you think

702
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: that she wouldn't be affected by the decision that you made.

703
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: Did you think maybe she's a hot commodity out here

704
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: on the beach someone else might swoop in? Like what

705
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: were your thoughts? Good questions? I haven't really been asked that. Um.

706
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: So I grabbed Hannah and I told her, you know, listen,

707
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: like I'm taking Tasha on the date, but like we

708
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: have a very strong connection, one of those you know.

709
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: And but I could see on her face that she

710
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: was she was hurt, and she was confused and she

711
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: was frustrated. And I remember her walking away and I

712
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: sat there for like a couple of minutes like, oh

713
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: my god, like what have I done kind of thing,

714
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: because I think, in my guts, like I knew, you know,

715
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: I knew that it was gonna like Hannah was who

716
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: I was probably going to pursue in Paradise, and so

717
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: I didn't like I knew like she just said, just

718
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: hot COMMODI and I knew. I knew that Dylan was

719
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: into her. I did, and I knew that and would

720
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: probably get a lot of time to talk to her.

721
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: And I don't want to say like I was so

722
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: confident in us, because I wasn't. Um, but I guess

723
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: I you didn't think Dylan was a threat. I mean

724
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: too would have. I thought he was the only other

725
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: guy on the beach. I did like that if there's

726
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: one guy on this beach, it would be Dylan. Like

727
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was a threat. Watching at the beginning,

728
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, she is not into him. Like I would

729
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: have bet a lot of money that they wouldn't end up.

730
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm so glad they did. They end attorney. I was

731
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: super cute. But my question for you, because sitting here

732
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 1: listening to you talk about Hannah, you obviously really were

733
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: into her. I think that's very obvious. Do you kind

734
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: of feel like she's the one that got away? Um?

735
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: That's so you mean? I mean in general, I mean, like,

736
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: are you looking at her in relationship, her relationship with

737
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: Dylan thinking that could have been men? Say, I don't actually,

738
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: because I think I'm a huge believer in things happened

739
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: for a reason, And I think, like Dylan and Hannah

740
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: when I saw them at the reunion, like they're adorable

741
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: and like they really are, They're they're great for each other,

742
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: they really really are, and so and even watching them

743
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: while I was down there, one of the conversations I

744
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: had with Hannah early on, because she was struggling that

745
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: love triangle that we were in. She was struggling. I

746
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: told her, I said, listen, one of the things that

747
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: hurt me when the in my season of the bat

748
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: Rite was Becca seemed to cry more over Jason than me,

749
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: and that kind of hurt. And I remember I actually

750
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: sat down with Ben one day and told him that,

751
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: and he's like, man like, it's a weird thing, that

752
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: final two because it's like the last heart that she

753
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: had to break was yours, and then she could go

754
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: and live like you know, and do her thing and

755
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: be in love. And there was the last heart she

756
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: had to break. So it was a bit of a

757
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: relief for her too, And that's why maybe it wasn't

758
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: quite as much of a reaction to her when she

759
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: dumped you. And so I said, when I talked to Hannah,

760
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, Hannah, I know this is really

761
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: hard right now, but what you got to remember is

762
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: the moment that you give that rose to either one

763
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: of us, you can go and actually enjoy paradise, like

764
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: you can go and actually have a good time in

765
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: paradise and build a relationship. So when I didn't get

766
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: that rose, like, I purposely ignored them. I just stayed

767
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: away from didn't make eye contact. I was like, you guys,

768
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: go do your thing. And then I was able to

769
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: sit there and watch that relationship, and I was like, God,

770
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: they are really really good with each other, and they're

771
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: really good for each other, and they I mean, they

772
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: were like they were in love pretty quick and it

773
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: was very evident, and it was like like you kind

774
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: of forgot they were there a lot. They were like

775
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: you kind of forgot the did yeah, and so it

776
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: was just yeah. So I'm a firm believer, and everything

777
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: happens for a reason. So I think everything happened as

778
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: messed up as it was. I think it happened for

779
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: the for the Hannah and Dylan love story. And I

780
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: do I want to talk about Christina too, because Rachel,

781
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: I know you're really close with Christina, You're really good friends.

782
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: I've always liked Christina. I know Christina from your bridal shower,

783
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: followed her on Instagram flash she's great. I don't know

784
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: what it was, but something happened with Christina this season

785
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: where I don't think she showed her best self. A

786
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: lot of people think what you think, yeah, And I

787
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: mean I think that it was pretty evident. In the

788
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: Union special, she was booed and I was surprised by

789
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: that when people booed her. Okay, I thought that was

790
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: just me who heard that? So I don't think I

791
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: heard it too. I don't remember her getting booed live

792
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: like I was. I got booed. And I have to say,

793
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: I mean I always say this, I blog about every

794
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: episode and I have said throughout I know Christina. I

795
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: know she's a sweet girl, She's a cool girl. What

796
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: is going on with her? Because this girl, what she

797
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: is showing us is not the person that I know.

798
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: Were you ever through this process upset with obviously when

799
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: she confronted you, you you must have been pretty upset on

800
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: that date. What made you guys stay friends throughout all

801
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: of this? So a lot of that's thing. They didn't

802
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: even show my apology to Christina at that first Row ceremony,

803
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: Like I sat her down, we apologize and everything was good.

804
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: So I don't think a lot of people got to

805
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: see how much we were kind of there for each other,

806
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: and especially how much she was there for me throughout Paradise,

807
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: And so I think that for some reason it just

808
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: didn't get shown. And so she was always somebody who

809
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: was kind of coming up to me and be like,

810
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, keep your head up, like you're not a

811
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: horrible person, Like she was there and so for some reason,

812
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: our relationship just didn't really get shown a lot. There

813
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: was obviously a ton going on, and so yeah, I

814
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: mean there at the end, We've always, like I said,

815
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: been really good friends, obviously very sexually attracted to each other.

816
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: She's gorgeous, and I got to the point where I

817
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: was like, you know, like what else do you need

818
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: in a relationship? You know, it was like, we've never

819
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: really been two feet in, We've never gone one hundred percent,

820
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: and so I was like, let's do this, you know.

821
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: I was just like, let's do this thing. And it

822
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: didn't work out. And I there's no I don't blame

823
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: her at all for that, Like at all. She I

824
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: was trying to be patient, you know, and I told

825
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: her I knew it would take her a while to

826
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: get there. I knew I had made a lot of mistakes.

827
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, she just couldn't, Like she said, she bared

828
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: those feelings too deep and couldn't get there. And I

829
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: respect her for that, for being honest with me. Yeah,

830
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 1: I think that. Well. One I guess I didn't understand

831
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 1: why the viewers were so on Christina. You know, that's

832
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: for another podcast, because this is about you. But and

833
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: maybe I'm biased, because you know, I do know her.

834
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: I think you are a little bit bias, but I

835
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: thought it, but I didn't. I think just because here's

836
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: the thing in baster Nation. If you don't talk sunshine

837
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: and blue skies and you do anything off the straight path,

838
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: people turn on you. Like Christina, what you have seen

839
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: of her so far is one thing, and all of

840
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: a sudden, she's being very blunt, like hey, I'm just

841
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: here to get a friendship rose hey, and people like

842
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: wait a minute, woo, you're breaking the rules, and all

843
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: of a sudden people start to deter But that's that's

844
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: neither here nor there. Oh god, that's interesting because that's

845
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: the Christina I've always known. I didn't really watch on

846
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: nixt seas I didn't know in Paradise, So like, the

847
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: blunt Christina is the first thing I've always known. Blunt

848
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: is one thing. But I think she said things like

849
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: oh no, no, honey, like just talk down on people

850
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: at times, and it's funny bad. Yeah, like I said,

851
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: if I was like, if I was like, oh no, no, honey,

852
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: when like when we're having a disagreement, that's that's condescending.

853
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: But check this out that girl. What was her name? Caitlin, Caitlin. Okay,

854
00:39:54,360 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 1: Caitlin comes up to her being totally fired up by Kaitlin, like,

855
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: oh girl, blah blah blah, Christina's this. They're literally talking

856
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: shit about Christina. Caitlin comes over and has this conversation

857
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: with it. Like, I thought the whole thing was stupid.

858
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: If I were Christina, I wouldn't have even played into it.

859
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I thought Kaylin never Caitlin

860
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: never should have come over and even said anything to her.

861
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was messy for her, and I wish

862
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: Christina hadn't responded to it. But I think Christina, you

863
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 1: could see the frustration, like, girl, what are you doing?

864
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: Why are you over here even talking to me about it?

865
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: And so I just think there's a nicer way to

866
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: I don't think she was nice about it, And that's

867
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: the thing. Caitlin wasn't nice either coming over, and that's

868
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: the thing. It's like, you know, I don't agree Caitlin

869
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: should have never Okay, we're digressing, but kay should never

870
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: come over the back to Christina, do you have a

871
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: question about Christina? Aways want to say though, before we

872
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: move on my point in This is because I do

873
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 1: know Christina. I do like Christina. I think she's blunt,

874
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: and I do like people were mad at her this

875
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: season and the reason she got booed or that people

876
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: have had that direction to hers because I feel like

877
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: she didn't put it her best self forward in some

878
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: moments that were shown. That's what I'm saying. I think

879
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: she's great, she didn't put the best report. That's it.

880
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: Let's move on with Christina. I think watching the way

881
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: you turned on Christina, I remember thinking, Wow, Blake is

882
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: really a hopeless romantic and I saw it when I

883
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: saw you say Christina, She's been in front of me

884
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: the entire time, and I thought, gosh, Blake really wants

885
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: a relationship. He really wants, for lack of better words,

886
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: a fairytale situation. He was like, you were almost forcing

887
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: something that wasn't quite there because you want it so bad.

888
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: And so my question to you is, Christina, y'all are

889
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: good friends. She knows you well, she knows you better

890
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: than we do, and on a level that other people

891
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: viewers don't, knowing that Christina knows all that about you,

892
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: knowing that Christina knows what happened at stagecoach. Knowing that

893
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: Christina was on the beach with you and watched you

894
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: navigate several relationships and really fight for Hannah Gee and

895
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: all of that. Why would you think then that she

896
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: would be so accepting to a relationship with you at

897
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: that point. But I think she would be so Honestly,

898
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: I didn't like I. So I remember the night where

899
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: I had that Christina moment and it was I was

900
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: actually gonna go talk with somebody else and I went

901
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: up to the production and I was like I can't.

902
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I need to go talk to Christina.

903
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: I was like I have to talk to her, Like

904
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: there's something going on like inside me right now. I

905
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: need to go talk to her. And I remember going

906
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: up to her. I didn't have anything planned. It was

907
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: just straight off. I mean, I think you got to

908
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: kind of see that. I was like in my head too,

909
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: I was kind of panicking because I was like, this

910
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: is suddenly for me too, this is weird, and like

911
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: I was, so when I sat her down, I didn't

912
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: think and I told her, if you don't see anything

913
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: with me, don't give me the rose. You know. I

914
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: was like, don't give me that rose. If you don't

915
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: see anything. I will go home perfectly fine. You know.

916
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: So I it was. It wasn't like a popular thing

917
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: to do. I knew there was the girls on the beach.

918
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna be like, well here, you know, Blake thinks

919
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: now it's Christina. Like, I knew it was going to

920
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: be an unpopular thing, but I had to do it anyway,

921
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do it anyway. Like yeah, I

922
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 1: kind of felt like it was did you just so

923
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: badly want to have a relationship out of paradise? So

924
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: because it kind of seemed like a last ditch, like

925
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw something at the wall and see what sticks.

926
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: I know, I knew it was going to look like that,

927
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: and I know, hold a hail Mary lest Yeah. Yeah,

928
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: And I know it was gonna look like that when

929
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: I was down there, I knew it was going to

930
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: look like that. But it was one of those things where, like,

931
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: I know, I in the moment, I was all in.

932
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: I really was. I know, it's so weird, I know,

933
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: and like the way it looked, but it was one

934
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: of those things where it's like me and Christina, she

935
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: cares about me, I care about her. We've never ever

936
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: been on a percent and that's kind of my mindset

937
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: at the time. Yet, and I have to commend you

938
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: because I was doubtful. I mean I was I called

939
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: it a hail Mary last week. I thought I knew

940
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: you were watching it. I was like, he's such a

941
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: hopeless romantic. But I was so proud of you when

942
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: you didn't go on the date with Break. I was

943
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 1: scared too. I was scared. I was like, oh gosh,

944
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: she's gonna go on this day, poor Christie. I mean

945
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,959
Speaker 1: you saw Christina was like strong, and I'm so proud

946
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: of you for that. If we can give you a compliment,

947
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: he did not people would have reamed you oh god, yeah, well,

948
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: and I never actually like thought about it, you know,

949
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: like it was great. It was great TV because I

950
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: even was like, did I go on a date? Because

951
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: the way they were showing it, I was like, wait,

952
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: how do you feel about Christina now? Because I guess

953
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: one thing that I did think, and I know I

954
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: saw some comments from people who also thought this, um

955
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: is that because you had such a rough beginning in Paradise,

956
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: like really rough, I really truly felt for you because

957
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: I don't think you deserved everything that you got uh,

958
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: not even a fraction, um, but that you maybe in

959
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: the back of your head somewhere might have thought, if

960
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: I get out of this paradise in a relationship, I'm

961
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: going to save face. To be honest, No, because I

962
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: knew that I was probably gonna get even more hate

963
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: by going after Christina, and I did like if I

964
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 1: had just gone home at that point, like that would

965
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: have been the end of it. And then but by staying,

966
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna get even more hate, which

967
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: I did end up getting more hate with Christina. So

968
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily about saving face. It was more about,

969
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, Christine is like said, Christine has been

970
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: here the whole time, right in front of me, and yeah,

971
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: I think one thing people really want to know because

972
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: they know there was all this pre paradise thing. And

973
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: even on the finale, I really felt you when you

974
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: were like, I feel like I took away from people's

975
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: paradise experience because I had had these relationships before and

976
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: they carried into paradise. And you know, I don't know

977
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: how you didn't think that that wasn't going to affect paradise.

978
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: But that's neither here nor there. But what truly when

979
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: you walked on that beach, what were your intentions for Paradise?

980
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: What did you really want out of the whole thing,

981
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: because that has gotten lost in all the drama that

982
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: is surrounded Paradise. Yeah, I was. I was excited for Paradise.

983
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: I really was. I was really excited to get out

984
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: there another chance to like find somebody, and I when

985
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: I walked on to the beach, I was excited about Hannah.

986
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: I was. And I was excited because I had I

987
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: had such as hard as the Bachelor. It was. It

988
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: was such an amazing experience for me. So going into Para,

989
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be at least, you know,

990
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: somewhat similar to that. Because I had such a goo experience,

991
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, Paradise is gonna be

992
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: awesome too. Like obviously it was way harder than I anticipated. Um,

993
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: but I was. I was super excited. I really wasn't.

994
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to find somebody, and I wanted a relationship

995
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: and I wanted to leave there and be at that

996
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: reunion and be able to sit on that couch with somebody.

997
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: What is your birthday, Peple twenty seconds. You're a tourist, too. Kay.

998
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just like to understand people through their

999
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: astrological side. IM sorry. So given everything that happened, it

1000
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: was obvious it took. It took a huge emotional toll

1001
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: on you. I mean, you were really beating yourself up

1002
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: in paradise. Why not just leave? Yeah? And I get

1003
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: asked that a lot. Uh. And for me, I didn't

1004
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: want to give up on love. Like I didn't. I

1005
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: am a bit of a holes romantic and there's a

1006
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: saying and it's it's one of my favorite and it's,

1007
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, here only two toxic relationships, three mental breakdowns,

1008
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: and one rock bottom from finding your soul mate. And

1009
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: like at that point, I was like, okay, I've been through.

1010
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: If I can get through this and I can still

1011
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: find somebody, I was like, this will all be worth it,

1012
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: you know. It's one of those like this is all

1013
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: going to be worth it, you know. And so I

1014
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: didn't want to give up on that. And that's that's

1015
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: why I stayed after all, you know, after all of it,

1016
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: because there was points where I was like I should

1017
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: just leave, I should get out of here, but it

1018
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm going to stay. I'm not going

1019
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: to give up. I'm not going to be a coward.

1020
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going to run away from this. I'm going

1021
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: to own everything and I'm going to continue to try

1022
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: and find someone. Okay, Blake, I know today wasn't easy,

1023
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: and I just want to thank you so much for

1024
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: trusting us and being so honest and vulnerable with us.

1025
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you coming out to talk with us

1026
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: and just telling your side of the story. Yeah, and

1027
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: we're actually going to have you back next week because

1028
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: there are so much more to talk about. I feel

1029
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: like we really just skimmed the surface and it was

1030
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: just too much to all fit into one podcast. So

1031
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: make sure you guys tune into our next one too.

1032
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,600
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1033
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,399
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1034
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1035
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1036
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1037
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,719
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1038
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,400
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1039
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,440
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1040
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,200
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1041
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,560
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