1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Bodybags. But Joseph Scott more Well, a big hello and 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: happy new year. It's been an exciting year and we 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: have no one but you all to thank for that. 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: And as a way to kind of close out the 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: previous year and embark on the new year of twenty 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: twenty five, I'd like to peel it back a little 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: bit and talk about the top ten episodes for Bodybags 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: over the previous year. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this 9 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: is Bodybags. Dave Mack. Happy New Year to you, brother. 10 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: It's going to be a great one man. 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: You know, they all blur together after a while, you know, 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: it's just all of the shows that we have done 13 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,639 Speaker 2: over the last year when you look at the top ten. 14 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: Noah Presgrove, that story came to us from one of 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: our listeners slash viewers, that people who follow you along 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 2: on your appearances on network television, and she reached out 17 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: and said, would you guys consider doing this? 18 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: This this case deserved covering. 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: I think this is going to be a show. We 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: update fairly quickly because a lot is still happening. A 21 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 2: lot of people have questions, how is it possible that 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: a nineteen year old young man can be at a 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 2: weekend party with friends in air quotes where they are 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: spending a lot of time on social media posting pictures 25 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: of him during the course of this party, and he 26 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 2: ends up with the kind of damage to his body, 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: found nude, dead in the middle of a road and 28 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: nobody knows anything. Joe some of the injuries. Give me 29 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: the list of his injuries and what his autopsy had 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: to have looked like. For Noah press Grove. 31 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: Ten broken roups, serious skull, neck and spinal fractures. Dave 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: and he had entire maternal bleeding. And you know, as 33 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: we've talked about previously Dave on body bags, internal bleeding 34 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: is not something that is unexpected. If you have a 35 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: young man like this has got fractured ribs, and you 36 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: can have these fractured ribs that penetrate the lungs. You 37 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: can actually have fractured ribs. I've worked cases where I've 38 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: had fractured ribs that have passed through the dome as 39 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: they refer to it, the dome of the diaphragm and 40 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: go directly into the liver. And the liver is so vascular, 41 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: you penetrate that and you're going to have a belly 42 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: full of blood at autopsy, so that when you make 43 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: that initial incision, there's just blood pouring out everywhere. And 44 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: it was a horrible death. This is not something that 45 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: I would think would have been an instantaneous event. Necessarily, 46 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: he may have very well lingered there. And I think 47 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: that the condition that his body was found in it's 48 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: really telling about this impact. And I think that it 49 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: is in a major impact that he sustained would have 50 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: been to the point where he would have had an 51 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: awareness that he was hit. I just hope that his 52 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: death was quick and merciful. 53 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: But do you think he was hit by like a truck. 54 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: I think that there is a possibility, because you had 55 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: to have been hit by something or pushed out. One 56 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: of the things that in this particular case that the 57 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: forensic pathologist has annotated here was the fact that he 58 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of injuries to his lower body. 59 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: And when you have a motor vehicle strike, first off, 60 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: you're going to get if you're hit by the front 61 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: of the vehicle. We've talked about this before. I think 62 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: we even talked about this in the Karen Reid case. 63 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: You're going to get bumper marks on the body, so 64 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: you'll have these kind of weird curve linear marks that 65 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: are around the lower lathe that he doesn't have that, 66 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: then you're going to get what to referred to as 67 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: rollover injuries where the car actually you know, might might 68 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: roll over the body. It's literally as translated, and the 69 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: body begins to spin underneath the vehicle. And then if 70 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: say the front tires hit the body, that starts a 71 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: spinning event, they're bouncing. The body would bounce underneath the 72 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: car and you sustain injuries from those impacts. And then 73 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: if you're hit again by the rear tires again that 74 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: that force is generating more and more trauma and you're 75 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: coming in contact with the surface of the road. I 76 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: think that there's a high probability that he may have 77 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: been impacted perhaps as he was riding a vehicle, perhaps 78 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: a four wheeler he's got he does, in fact have 79 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: massive trauma to his brain. And again, like I mentioned 80 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: with the ribs, when we get a skull fracture, those 81 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: bits of bone in the table of the skull they perforate, 82 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: They actually perforate the brain. And as we know, you know, 83 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: we talk about how vascular the liver is, the brain 84 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: is even more vascular, and you've got these tiny tiny 85 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: vessels that just run throughout it. Because out of all 86 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: of the organs in the body, the brain, the brain 87 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: demands the most oxygen. So it's you know, nature has 88 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: a way of getting blood flow to those areas, and 89 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: so you get those little tears in that tissue, the 90 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: vascular elements of the brain, and you'll have a lot 91 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: of bleeding. And so when you know, the the skull 92 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: is opened up, you know, the pathologist is faced with 93 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: this idea that there are a copious amount of blood 94 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: that's just pouring out of the interior of Noah's skull. 95 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: You're talking about severe upper body trauma, right, And here's 96 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: here's another thing. Part of his scalp is also torn away. 97 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: Okay, when you tell me what the difference between torn 98 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 2: away versus any other way it would be described if 99 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: you had skin that was lifted off of the body 100 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: of the bomb. I mean, it just seems like this 101 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: is such a very specific thing to be torn. 102 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: Well, a lot of that can be counted, I think 103 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: many times toward elements of a vehicle, like a tire 104 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: or rubber tire. Perhaps if if the car actually let's 105 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: say he's riding on the back of a four wheeler 106 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: and he's impacted, or he's riding a four wheeler and 107 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: he's impacted, or he's riding in the back of the 108 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: jeep and the jeep is hitting the rear or in 109 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: the back of the truck and comes out of that vehicle. 110 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: Then he's essentially cast off beneath the vehicle. And as 111 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: you go under the undercarriage of that vehicle. These things 112 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: are traveling at a very high rate of speed, and 113 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: so just that energy alone, whatever solid surface that you 114 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: can catch hold of, say like on the scalp, will 115 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: literally rip it away. And you know how I've talked 116 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: about before day with lacerations, how I say the lacerations 117 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: are not the same as sharp force injuries. Yes, because 118 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: we've got you know, irregular edges, there's no clean margins. Well, 119 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: this is a laceration. The only problem is is that 120 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: in a case like this, you're not actually going to 121 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: have two sides to marry up to anything, because an 122 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: entire bit of tissue is absent from the body, and 123 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: so you would have these big patches. And I've had 124 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: this happen before. I've had it happen not just on skulls. 125 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: I've had it happen on shoulders and legs. You're always 126 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:30,119 Speaker 1: I've had great chunks of thighs that have been ripped away, 127 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: and a lot of that is come in contact with 128 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: a tire that passes over and it just kind of 129 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: rips it away, tosses it aside, or tosses it to 130 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: one side. I say tossing like it's an actual person 131 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: doing this. It's not. It's just the physics behind it 132 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: and where that winds up. And of course what they're 133 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: talking about here is that they at the scene, they 134 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: actually found clumps of tissue and hair laying out there 135 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: in the road. I can't tell you how many late 136 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: nights I've spent over the course of my career with 137 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: a flashlight in hand, walking two and three abreast with 138 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: state troopers and firefighters. And if you ever see people 139 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: like that on the road, that's what they're doing. We'll 140 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: walk abreast with flashlights and we're looking back and forth 141 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: to see if we can see any other evidence. And 142 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: here's another fascinating piece to Noah's death. Is it, Davey, 143 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: They actually found multiple teeth right scene, laying out in 144 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: the road. 145 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: Is it possible that some of the pieces they found 146 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: in the road, the teeth and what have you, could 147 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 2: have been manipulated by other people who found the body 148 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: before the police were there. Could there have been a 149 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 2: problem with this. 150 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: Well, I would you know, when the term manipulated is utilized, 151 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, manipulation can come in a passive form, 152 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: like you move a body and things full away and 153 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: that does happen, then you can go It's almost like 154 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: sins of omission and commission. Then you can have people 155 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: that have intent that are trying to muddy the waters, 156 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: if you will. From an investigated perspective, I don't think 157 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: that we're dealing with a group of sophisticated people. 158 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: And they were all well yeah, and they were intoxicated, right, 159 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 2: I mean, they were. 160 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely hammered out of the brain, you know. The cops. 161 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: The cops, from what I'm understanding, believe that he may 162 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: have been pushed from the back of a vehicle. I 163 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:38,599 Speaker 1: think my supposition here though, is, Dave, is it possible 164 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: that as a result of being pushed out of a vehicle 165 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: that he was consequently run over, you know, by another 166 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: vehicle that followed in the heart of darkness. If you 167 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: will during that night, the nighttime. I mean, how many times? 168 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: How many times have you been going down the road, 169 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: And we'll ask our friends is too Just think how 170 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: many times have you been going down the road and 171 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: your own personal vehicle and it's pitch black, you came 172 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: to your hand in front of your face if you 173 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: didn't have headlights, and all of a sudden, headlights only 174 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: extend out so far, and all of a sudden, there's 175 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: this blob that appears in the middle of the road 176 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: and you can't avoid it. And I think in our 177 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: own minds, we don't. Our default position is never human. 178 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: It's always dog, deer, maybe a wild hog or a 179 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: raccoon or something like that, and you don't think human. 180 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: Maybe that has come into play, But I'm like you, 181 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: there is more to come on the no of press 182 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: growth case, and I'm waiting. The term silent killer is 183 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: thrown around quite a bit in media entertainment, this sort 184 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: of thing, and even in medicine. You know, they talk 185 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: about how hypertension is a silent killer, and it is. 186 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: But there is an agent out there that has impacted 187 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: our country so desperately, and not just our country, but 188 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: around the world, and it is something that we have 189 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: become all too familiar with. And this past year we 190 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: did an episode about this agent and it came in 191 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: at number nine for our year in count and Dave, 192 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I have this doesn't surprise 193 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: me because I think that some of the things that 194 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: we found out, some of the cases that we covered 195 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: in one in particular, that well, two of the cases 196 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: that are involved in this episode gained quite a bit 197 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: of notoriety throughout the year, didn't they. 198 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 2: Well, you know, the episode was titled the New Epidemic 199 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: Fentanyl and the ninth most downloaded show of the last year, 200 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: and you look at it and you actually broke it 201 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: down in a way that made good sense to me, 202 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: because I really wondered where we were going to go 203 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: with this. And you mentioned Corey Richins, the Moscow Mule Woman, 204 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: but you also mentioned the first actual trial conviction of 205 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 2: a person who actually made a drug, made a pill 206 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: and used fentanyl and it killed a girl. And then 207 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: we had the daycare in New York, so which was 208 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 2: still shocking to me. It boggles my mind, how little, 209 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: what little bit you have to use now to start 210 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: this with Corey Richins. We know her as the Moscow 211 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: Mule Wife. She uses fentanyl to kill her husband and 212 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: it took her a couple of times to get it 213 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 2: down pat She apparently had been trying to poison him 214 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: before trying to get rid of him. So which is 215 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: still to this day. Joe, Please, for the love, just 216 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: get a divorce, start your life over. I mean, come on, 217 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: do you really have to kill the father of your children? 218 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? Why? Why go to these links? And it's obvious 219 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: that well, first off, she didn't know what in the 220 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: hell she was doing. And you know, I guess I'm 221 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: not I'm not hearing to offer advice on this end, 222 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: trust me. But you know, when when you uh, you know, 223 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: you see someone and it's almost this is the thing 224 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: that's so disheartening about this, I think with uh, you 225 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: know her, her poor husband Eric Eric Richards, is that 226 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: she actually it was kind of like an experiment she 227 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: was running, Dave. That's the disgusting thing about it, uh, 228 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: where she was literally having to dial this in And 229 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: just so that we can reflect, just for a brief moment, 230 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: just in dulshmy Dave. Here, the fentanyl, you know, is 231 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: it's in the news. It's still in the news day 232 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: in in, day out. This is it's in the opiate family, Okay, 233 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: but this is not something that is naturally occurring. Okay, 234 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: it's actually a chemical compound that falls within the opiate family. 235 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: But the problem is is that it's like I think, 236 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: it's one hundred times stronger than morphine, Dave. And if 237 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: you've never been around morphine, if you've never received a 238 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: morphine injection for things. I had a terrible abdominal problem 239 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: at one point in time, and they had me. They 240 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: gave me a bullus of morphine. I've never had that before, 241 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: and Dave, I was feeling no pain whatsoever. As a 242 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: matter of fact, I just sleep slipped off into this 243 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: kind of milky, syrupy kind of twilight, you know thing 244 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: that I was in. You think about that, and then 245 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: you think about just a couple of grains of uh 246 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: of not grams, but grains of fentanyl UH can prove 247 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: lethal and in a case where where this is applied. 248 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: You know, for years they were using fentanyl patches and 249 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: they were used for a localized pain control, I think, UH, 250 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: to get people through you know, surgeries and uh, you know, 251 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: UH problems, skeletal problems, muscular problems, these sorts of things, 252 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: and then the people that were out there that that 253 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: had nefarious means about it, they said, oh wow, if 254 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: we can get our hands on these patches, uh you know, 255 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: people can we can sell these on the street. And 256 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, they were finding people that had like two 257 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: and three patches stuck to their body. With Corey Richings, 258 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: the unique the uniqueness of this and we've actually seen 259 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: this in the past with poisoners. Dave uh Over, well 260 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: for centuries. Okay, there's a there's a very clandestine mindset 261 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: that these people have, you know, kind of they're the 262 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: ultimate silent assassin. And the thing about fentanyl, we we've 263 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: heard about people coming in contact with it, either passively 264 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: or directly. You know. Some of the things that terrify me, 265 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: particularly when it comes to these young cops that I 266 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: still teach four times a year at the Police Academy, 267 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: is that they're going to open up a bag and 268 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: there's going to be this big puff of dust that 269 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: comes out and this has happened, and they'll pass out. 270 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: Some of them go into cardiospiratory arrest, you know, and 271 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: it's it's a dangerous thing, but you know, she allegedly 272 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: found a way to weaponize this drug. Day. 273 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 2: Can narkhan reverse the effects of fentanyl? 274 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: It can, it can, But I would say that nark 275 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: Hahn is probably not as effective with this case. It 276 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: is that strong. Yeah, it's it's a tough hill to climb. 277 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: And there have been there's a number of reports that 278 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: I've read over the course of us you know, covering 279 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: cases where it says narkham was administered to no avail. 280 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 1: You know, it didn't, it didn't work out. I'm not 281 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: saying that it's it's you throw it out, okay, But 282 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is is that fennel that gives you 283 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: an indication of how dangerous it is. And I understand 284 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: why our friends would be intrigued by the rich AND's 285 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: case because it is so ultimately bizarre. But arguably that case, 286 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: that case was striking to me. But Dave, the one 287 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: that really I think for you and me, if you'll 288 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: allow me to speak on your behalf. Yes, you are 289 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: these babies at you know, up in New York where 290 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: and I'll say it, these idiots we're storing fentanyl in 291 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: the floor of the home. And you and I both 292 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: have had little ones in our home for what many years? 293 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: And what do babies do with their hands? Well, they 294 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: explore the world with their hands. They're touching things. And 295 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: can you imagine you've got some You've got a child, 296 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: a baby that's crawling across the floor, this dirty, filthy 297 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: floor in this apartment that's fronting as a daycare center. 298 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: And the baby happens to put that precious little hand 299 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: down on the surface, that unclean surface. And what are 300 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: babies going to do with their hand? They're going to 301 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: take that hand and they're going to place it in 302 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: their mouth. Now, another way that fentanyl can be ingested 303 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: or taken up, if you will, is that under certain circumstances, 304 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: it can be transdermal, which means it can be absorbed 305 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: through the skin. Terrifying, right, Or like I mentioned with 306 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: police officers, if you're just around, have you ever noticed, 307 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: particularly in the summertime, when the sun is beaming through 308 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: your window and you see that that kind of rain 309 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: of dust that's in the air, You know, you catch 310 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: that every now and then. Well, if fentanyl that they're 311 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 1: storing there is in a histamine form like that, and 312 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: you've got people stomping back and forth over that sealed area. 313 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: Guess what, that substance will rain up in the air 314 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: and float about well where babies they're down close to 315 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: the floor. So it's hard to say exactly how these 316 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: precious children ingested this insidious, insidious age. It's not simply 317 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: the attic that's utilizing the substance. Everybody in their circle, 318 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: children included, can be subject to the effects of it, 319 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: and people that just going about their normal, everyday lives. 320 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: You open up a trunk of a car that you've 321 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: pulled over because it broke center line, if you're a 322 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: police officer, and that puff comes up and it hits 323 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: you in the face, and you might not be going 324 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: home that evening. Well, Dave, that brings us to the 325 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: eighth most downloaded episode of body Bags for this year. 326 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: And hey, you know what people always do with every 327 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: new year. They make resolutions. And one of the biggest 328 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: things that people resolved to do in their life is 329 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: to get in better shape. That means going to the gym, 330 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: that means working out and eating right and all these 331 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: sorts of things. But I got to tell you the 332 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: number eight case actually involved a bit of workout equipment, 333 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: and it was I think that our friends found this 334 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: episode particularly in lightning and interesting. If not, you know, 335 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: we wouldn't have had it sound. 336 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: Like triple whammy, Joe, because actually gave you the chance 337 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 2: to tell us about a stretch of area in Louisiana 338 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: that I was unfamiliar with. You got to talk about 339 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: shopping at Walmart and how that came into the actual 340 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 2: breaking of the case. We got to talk about kettlebells 341 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: as well as recording artists in a studio and Atlanta 342 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 2: to Louisiana. 343 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: We had. 344 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 2: This was a geographical nightmare of a story to tell 345 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 2: that you were ab or breakdown that actually ends with 346 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:10,719 Speaker 2: a married couple following ten stories and surviving the fall. 347 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh, that's quite remarkable, isn't it. Uh Where 348 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: of course we're we're talking about the title of this 349 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: episode was a married couple missing three weeks, the torture 350 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: death of the Joseph's uh and Uh not Joseph's like 351 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: plural me, but uh Joseph's is uh. Uh is their 352 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: last name Uh LaKeithia and Kenneth Joseph And eventually their 353 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: cause of death uh was in fact a drowning. But 354 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: Dave this this case in particular, Uh is is intriguing 355 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: by virtue of you know, the geography obviously, and then 356 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: the means I don't know that we really covered a 357 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: more bizarre this year than this one, and we covered 358 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: a lot of bizarre cases. 359 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why I was This was a story that, 360 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 2: as you were telling it, I was not familiar with 361 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 2: the area. And for those of you who haven't had 362 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 2: a chance to listen to, I'd encourage it. He gave 363 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 2: you the title Married Couple Missing three Weeks, the torture 364 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: Death of the Josephs, And it's a phenomenal story of 365 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: a young of a couple who's recently married and they 366 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 2: end up being murdered and all of it actually sounds 367 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: kind of like a movie or an episode of a 368 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 2: police show. But it would have to be a two 369 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 2: parter because there are so many twists and turns in 370 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 2: this to go from recording studio in Louisiana to Atlanta 371 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: and have rappers and vehicles and kettlebells all mixed together. Joe, 372 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,719 Speaker 2: tell me how what happened to le Keith Lakeitha and 373 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 2: Kenneth Joseph. What happened to them? 374 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: Well, you know with with both of them, Uh, they 375 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: they actually were were taken uh to a location which 376 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: goes over a rather substantial waterway in between uh New 377 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: Orleans East, and you have to say, it is not 378 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: New Orleans and it's not New Orleans, it's New Orleans East. Uh. 379 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: That's how we say it, New Orleans East. And do 380 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: it again. Man, I got I got it in East. 381 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so uh it uh. So many people 382 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: will say New Orleans, you know, they'll pronounce it like that, 383 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter what area of the country you 384 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: come from. 385 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 2: I blame it on the band that had a couple 386 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: of hits in the mid seventies Leans. 387 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: Uh. But yeah, So this couple who had taken their shot, 388 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: or at least peripherally, were involved in the music industry, 389 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: and I think that there are a lot of people 390 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: that are out there that that have uh you know, 391 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: have designs on becoming uh uh musical stars and wanting 392 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: to be involved in that environment. This case actually, you know, 393 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: started out in uh in a recording studio in Metai, uh, Louisiana, 394 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: which is actually my old jurisdiction. It is Jefferson Parrish, Louisiana. 395 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: So they there was a fight that had ensued at 396 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: a recording studio there. It was from there, well, they 397 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: believe the police believed that an attack actually took place 398 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: within the recording studio because, as it turned out later, Uh, 399 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: there was, in fact, there were blood stains on the 400 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: surface of the floor in the studio, and someone had 401 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: made an attempt to clean these blood stains up with 402 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: of all things, degreaser that it's going to lift it 403 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: out of there. Doesn't work, It doesn't, No, it doesn't. 404 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: You probably have a better luck with Dawn, and that 405 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: still doesn't work effectively. But Dawn is something, interestingly enough, 406 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: we clean the Morgue with. People don't realize that it 407 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: really it does a great job on blood. 408 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: And now we're doing commercials for days and we're not 409 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 2: talking about Gillian's Island and the other you know. 410 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: No, no, we're talking about Dawn. Yeah. So been using 411 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: in the Morgue for years? 412 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 2: Is that what you use at home? Washington dishes? 413 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I do. And I think about those days 414 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: in the Morgue every time I'm scrubbing a dish. 415 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 2: Uh. 416 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: But you know, they had made some kind of attempt 417 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: to clean the blood up. But here's the thing. The 418 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: corner actually opined that they were probably not dead at 419 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: the studio. It was like an attack, okay, And they 420 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: were taken to this bridge which out in that portion 421 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: if anyone has ever driven into New Orleans on on it, 422 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: you go across what are referred to as the Twin 423 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: Span bridges that are out there. And running parallel to 424 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: the Twin Spans is Highway ninety, the same highway that 425 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: Jane Mansfield died on, and it's back kind of to 426 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: the south of I ten and there's a large high 427 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: rise road or bridge that goes over. So there's two cities, 428 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: shall Met and New Orleans, and the area of New 429 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: Orleans that this is is referred to as New Orleans East, 430 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: and this bridge is rather high. What they believe is 431 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: that two kettlebells were purchased from Walmart at one o'clock 432 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: in the morning, by the way, at one o'clock in 433 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: the morning, and the reason that they were found out 434 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: was that if you ever go to the Sporting good 435 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: section in Walmart. Now this may have changed some but 436 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: a lot of their athletic equipment as it applies to 437 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: bodybuilding is actually supplied by Gold's Gym. It's an actual 438 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: brand and that's what these kettle bells were so they 439 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: were actually lashed to these kettlebells. Kenneth and k Yeah, 440 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: Kenneth and Leakeitha. And they were tossed off of this bridge. 441 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 2: Okay, just so I'm getting this right. Yeah, Kenneth and Leakeitha, 442 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: Joseph are attacked. They're tied up, they have kettlebells tied 443 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: to their bodies I'm guessing as weights to weight their 444 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 2: bodies down. They are then thrown off the ten story bridge. Yeah, 445 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 2: they survive the fall into the water. That ten story 446 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 2: fall did not kill them. How did they die, Joe? 447 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well the coroner and again I think that this 448 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: is as much art as it is science because it 449 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: would be very difficult to try to make a determination. 450 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: But he opined that the cause of death was actually drowning. 451 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: And that's amazing, you know because if you fall from 452 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: a height, and I could tell your emphasis by what 453 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: you were saying, if you fall from a height, and 454 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: if it's ten stories, you think, well, let's just be 455 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: conservative and say it's each each story is ten feet 456 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: in height. All right, you're talking about one hundred foot fall. 457 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: That water can become like concrete when you hit it 458 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: if you don't hit it just right. And I'm not 459 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: of the opinion that anyone that jumps off of a 460 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: bridge necessarily dies immediately, and I know that's very gruesome 461 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: to contemplate. I think that they can be knocked unconscious, 462 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that life has actually left their body. 463 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: Their brain is self functioning on one level, and they're 464 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: going to breathe, they're going to try to take up oxygen. 465 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: Of course, when you try to take up oxygen and 466 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: you're in a liquid environment, where are you going to 467 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: take up Well, you're going to suck in that brackish 468 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: water that flows beneath that bridge, and that's a mixture 469 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: of salt water and fresh water, and you're going to 470 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: have it all in your lungs. So you're going to 471 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: be looking in the airway. It's not just to see 472 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: if there is water present day, but one of the 473 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: things that is actually done is you're looking for what 474 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: are referred to as diatoms, and there's there these little 475 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: bitty creatures, their little skeletons are there contained within the 476 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: sample that you're taking from the water, and that gives 477 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: you an idea that you have an uptake of water 478 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: into your airway, and so it's one of the ways 479 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: that you can kind of verify whether or not someone 480 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: was still alive, you know, when they went in the water, 481 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: and that that would lead you to conclude that their 482 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: cause of death as was in this case listed as 483 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: listed as drowning. And of course this turns us into 484 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: a homicide. So that brings us to number seven on 485 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: our list for this year's most downloaded episodes. And David, 486 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I beat up a lot 487 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: on dudes on the show, I think many times. And 488 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: moms who invite boyfriends into homes and horrible things happen 489 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: to children many times. It's something I'm not particularly a 490 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: fan of, and that's simply based Look, I know that's 491 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: not every case, but it's simply based on the fact 492 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: that a lot of cases that you and I see, 493 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: you know, there's a boyfriend in the home that has 494 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, just done horrible things. But you know, we 495 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: kind of flipped the script on this one. In this 496 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: particular case, this is the girlfriend that has entered the 497 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: home and you know, brought with her just pure, unadelterated hell. 498 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 2: The headline, the title of it tells you everything. Joe 499 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 2: number seven most downloaded show The Monster Is Real. Dad's 500 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 2: new girlfriend kills baby with Neil polish remover and by 501 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 2: the way, nail polish remover didn't even know it was deadly. No, 502 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 2: but that's only one thing that this person did to 503 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 2: that baby. This wasn't a one time thing, Joe. She 504 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 2: had been she had been feeding an eighteen month old 505 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 2: child the stuff of nightmares, beating by getting her to 506 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 2: ingest things that are not ingestible. 507 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean. And the least of these were twenty 508 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: water beads DAVE, which are beats. Yeah, and so there 509 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: they're these little things that you know you can that 510 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: will dissolve in a bath, I think, and you know 511 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: they've mis a soaphy concoction and you can take a 512 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: bubble bath with. But then she graduated from water beads 513 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: to get the DAVE three button shaped batteries. Now when 514 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: I say button shaped, I'm talking about the circular circular batteries, Yeah, 515 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: the flat ones that you might use in a digital 516 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: wristwatch or whatever the case might be. Certain flashlights utilize them. 517 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: And then finally a screw, a metal screw, a metal 518 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,439 Speaker 1: screw that this child and I have to wonder did 519 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: was this a passive event or did she hold her 520 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: mouth open and jam at donner throat? Uh? That's that's 521 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: the level of horror here that we're talking about. And 522 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: I don't you know, you you look at situations like 523 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: this and you begin to think, you know, dude, what 524 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: kind of vetting did you do on this person? You 525 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: know that you would entrust in my opinion? Uh, And 526 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: you know I'm kind of biased here. The most precious 527 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: thing we have is our children, and you know they 528 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: are God's gift. And to turn this child over lockstock 529 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: and barrel, to let's face it a total stranger. I 530 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: don't care how many months you've been together. You're not 531 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: going to turn over this precious child and entrust it 532 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: to someone like this. And you can't tell me that 533 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: there weren't signs leading up to this in this particular 534 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: case involving this precious little Iris. The the agent that 535 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: Owens chose here, as you had mentioned to acetone is 536 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: arguably one of the most painful ways someone can die. Well, 537 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: it's one of the things that it's going to do 538 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: is that it is you develop a condition called keto acidosis, 539 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: which is, you know, if people are treated for it 540 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: early on, they can survive. It's but if it goes untreated. Uh. 541 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, many times, and this is not a dig 542 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: against clinicians, you have a child that presents in the 543 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: emergency room and they don't they don't necessarily think acetone poisoning, 544 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, they think that the kid has got some 545 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: other kind of metabolic thing going on. Maybe it's some 546 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: kind of natural disease a child is presenting with, and 547 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,479 Speaker 1: they're trying to to treat this. And the problem is 548 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: is that with acetone poisoning which leads to keto acidosis, 549 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: is that if you do not begin treatment specifically for 550 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: that early on, and you know in the trajectory of 551 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: the treatment plan, you're it's kind of a lost cause 552 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: and it would be very painful. It'd be a horrible 553 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: way to die. You know, you get horrible stomach cramps, vomiting, diarrhea, 554 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: blood pressure crashes, and eventually most people in this progression 555 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 1: become comatose. And what happens is is that you're going 556 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: to go into and this is really one of the 557 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: things that makes it very insidious, is that you go 558 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: into kidney failure day. We're talking about eighteen month old 559 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: here that her kidney's completely shut down. And one of 560 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: the ways they make the diagnosis is that they take 561 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: a urine sample, and you're not supposed to have keytnes 562 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 1: and your urine, so you know that if keytones are present, 563 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: that there's problem back upstream that needs to be treated. 564 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: But you know who who knows when they're starting to 565 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: shift and you're in the emergency room that you're going 566 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: to have kid that has ingested. Are been four to 567 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: ingest nil polish remover and unfortunately it led to this 568 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,240 Speaker 1: precious baby's death. 569 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 2: In this episode, we've covered from number ten, the tenth 570 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 2: most downloaded episode of the year, down to number seven. 571 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 2: Tomorrow we pick up with number six as we head 572 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 2: anyone like doing the Casey case on this year's annual countdown. 573 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 2: It's a long distance Jedakid dedication from Joseph Scott Morgan 574 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 2: in his studio in Body Bags World in Jacksonville and Alabama, 575 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 2: and he's sending it out to everyone in his hometown 576 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 2: of Nolan's, Louisiana. 577 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 1: Well, we will be picking up with number six tomorrow, Dave, 578 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: And in the meantime, keep your feet on the ground. 579 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: I keep freaking breaking for the stars. I'm Joseph Scott 580 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: Morgan and this is body Bags