WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 110621 The Remaining Black Vaccination Holdouts (Part A)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Rams's Jah.

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<v Speaker 2>They called me q Ward mostly because that's my name.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, indeed, And it's been a long time since.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, we shouldn't have left you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, but I wanted to go I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go there. I wanted to go there. But it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a long time since you and I have sat down

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<v Speaker 1>and done an episode together. Last week we had Liza's

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<v Speaker 1>son and we had an interesting discussion on, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship between the Asian American community and the African

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<v Speaker 1>American community in this country. Prior to that, we had

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Camilla Westenberg up on the show where we discussed

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<v Speaker 1>critical race theory and what it really is and some

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<v Speaker 1>some talking points that are being used to discredit it

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<v Speaker 1>as an idea. And then prior to that, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we had Queen Ya Najaha up who we stood in

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<v Speaker 1>solidarity with our Native brothers and sisters and shared the platform,

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<v Speaker 1>shared the stage, and she was able to let us

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<v Speaker 1>know about some goings on with respect to our Indigenous

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<v Speaker 1>brothers and sisters. And now you and I are back

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<v Speaker 1>in the sabbath, so we've been productive, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>you've been productive on your own. But man, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very different show without you, on a much better show

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<v Speaker 1>with you. So welcome back to I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>do that too many more times, but stick around. We

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<v Speaker 1>do have a lot more coming in that same vein.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about COVID boosters and the way

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<v Speaker 1>they're being received by the African American community. We're also

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about black church, which is not a

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<v Speaker 1>subject that we get into too heavily on this show,

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<v Speaker 1>but today it felt kind of important to reach out

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<v Speaker 1>and or reach over into that subject matter. But before

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<v Speaker 1>we get there, we are going to discuss some ebony

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<v Speaker 1>excellence all win, no matter what. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you've heard about this que but there's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be some new quarters coming out. And you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>way that we have developed our relationship with our currency

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<v Speaker 1>in this country and with most countries is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we look at our currency and we see our presidents,

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<v Speaker 1>and overwhelmingly our presidents have been white, and of our

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<v Speaker 1>presidents have been you know, male, and on our currency.

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<v Speaker 1>So Obama hasn't made it to a bill just yet

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<v Speaker 1>or a coin just yet. But we've heard about the

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<v Speaker 1>Harriet Tubman twenty dollars bill that they're still you know,

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<v Speaker 1>working on getting into circulation. Well are there, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>heard that they reactivated that process now that Trump's out

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<v Speaker 1>of the White House. But these coins, one such woman

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<v Speaker 1>who will be on the coin. These are all women,

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<v Speaker 1>but one such woman as Maya Angelo, the civil rights activist, poet,

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<v Speaker 1>and author. And there are some other women that I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like they deserve a mention as well. Astronaut Sally Ride,

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<v Speaker 1>who's the first American woman in space, Wilma Mankiller who

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<v Speaker 1>is the Cherokee Nation's first principal woman Chief, Adelina or

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<v Speaker 1>Nina Otero Warren who's a leader in New Mexico suffrage movement.

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<v Speaker 1>And Annamee Wong, who's the first Hollywood film star of

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese American descent. So we have all those coins to

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to, and not just Maya Angelo, although you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we could do a whole you know, ebony excellence on her.

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<v Speaker 1>We could do probably ten or fifteen on her alone.

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<v Speaker 1>But it felt really special to be able to share

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<v Speaker 1>this stage with all these women who have made their

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<v Speaker 1>way to our coins. Obviously there have been other women

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<v Speaker 1>on coins before, but this feels a little bit more special.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's the quarter, and we'll be spending that starting

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty two, and they'll release all the way

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<v Speaker 1>up until twenty twenty five. Now onto our first order

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<v Speaker 1>of business. Q. You've been vaccinated correct fully? Okay? And

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<v Speaker 1>when you say fully, you mean what exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>Single dose Johnson and Johnson shot to day Chapelle.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the Maderna booster to follow that up.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, So for me, I have all three Pfizers.

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<v Speaker 1>I had the Pfizer for my first and second dose

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<v Speaker 1>back in January, and then I recently got my Pfiser

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<v Speaker 1>booster shot. And I want to get something out of

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<v Speaker 1>the way right off the bat. Did you have have

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<v Speaker 1>any side effects when you got your vaccine?

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<v Speaker 3>I had every side effect okay, when I got the

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<v Speaker 3>vaccine and when I got the booster.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, would you still recommend to other folks who are

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<v Speaker 1>not vaccinated to get vaccinated.

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<v Speaker 3>I got the vaccine first and got every symptom and

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<v Speaker 3>every side effect. I then got the booster knowing that,

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<v Speaker 3>so absolutely okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And you actually had COVID before, right, yes, okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>you have the lived experience of having COVID and the

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<v Speaker 1>lived experience of having the side effects from the vaccination,

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<v Speaker 1>and you still recommend the vaccine. Correct, Okay, I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the way, which a brainwashed sheet.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Not here according to the internets, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we we have a more scientific approach to how

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<v Speaker 1>things work, and we're not really given to conspiracy theories

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<v Speaker 1>in the same way that most folks, or some folks are.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say most folks, because most people

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<v Speaker 1>do have the vaccine. I have the statistics here. Same

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<v Speaker 1>thing happened with me, except I never got COVID in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. I got the second my second dose

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<v Speaker 1>of the Pfizer vaccine. It took me out for maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a day and a half, right, I got those symptoms,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and it felt like a little covid ish.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, my body is fighting what it thinks is

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<v Speaker 1>the COVID virus, and so all of those responses to

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<v Speaker 1>defending myself against COVID nineteen, my body just assumes it's

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<v Speaker 1>the real thing. And then I get all the symptoms.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the same thing happened when I got my

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<v Speaker 1>booster about a day and a half of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to take it easy, and then I was

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<v Speaker 1>right back to normal. It came and it went just

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<v Speaker 1>as quickly. But I want to say that because I

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<v Speaker 1>want to own that part of the experience before we

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<v Speaker 1>get into the meat and potatoes of this part of

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation. You and I both know lots of people

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<v Speaker 1>and love lots of people who are still afraid of

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<v Speaker 1>the vaccine or otherwise have adopted one or more conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theories surrounding the vaccination. Now, not everyone that we know

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<v Speaker 1>that is we'll call them anti vaxxers. Not everyone that

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<v Speaker 1>is like that is black. But in this case, in

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<v Speaker 1>the case of black people, we do understand because there's

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<v Speaker 1>been a very well documented history between vaccines and black

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<v Speaker 1>people and the government and black people, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>looking through the lens of history, you understand how there

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<v Speaker 1>could be some apprehension, some aversion to you know, getting vaccinated. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>some of these concerns relate to how quickly the vaccines

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<v Speaker 1>were developed, and this research comes from the Washington Post

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<v Speaker 1>right here, how quickly the vaccines were developed, what their

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<v Speaker 1>long term health effects might be. And then of course

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<v Speaker 1>there's like some different information disinformation that we discussed earlier

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<v Speaker 1>that just exists on the internet, like they have tracking devices,

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<v Speaker 1>or they change your DNA and that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And then again with black folks. The one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>we can and should I think point two is the

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<v Speaker 1>Tuskegee experiments. It's okay to be a little bit apprehensive,

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay to be a little bit concern right. The

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<v Speaker 1>thing is, there's a couple of things with respect to

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<v Speaker 1>the Tuskegee experiments that we have to consider. Did the

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<v Speaker 1>government own it, did the government attempt to make it right?

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<v Speaker 1>Did the government learn from, you know, its mistake? Did

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<v Speaker 1>the government apologize you know, these sorts of things, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think they matter. You know, it's hard to go

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<v Speaker 1>back and then do the same thing again. If you've acknowledged, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I did that that was wrong, or

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<v Speaker 1>my father's did that that was wrong. We recognize that

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<v Speaker 1>that's wrong. We're going to try to make it better.

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<v Speaker 1>With that said, I do and always will understand any

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<v Speaker 1>apprehension there. But you know, we can't ignore the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that this is a life and death scenario. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking to someone related to my child about my child,

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<v Speaker 1>and I asked the question, you know, should we are

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<v Speaker 1>you going to get him vaccinated? Or should I take

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<v Speaker 1>him to get vaccinated because I know a place that

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<v Speaker 1>will have the vaccines available before his school gets the vaccines.

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<v Speaker 1>And this person who is related to my child, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to use these words very carefully, said no, absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a government cash grab and a bunch of other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>What'd you say it's free. Well, I'm saying this to

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<v Speaker 1>establish that this is something that is not I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this in just general numbers. This is something

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<v Speaker 1>that is happening and even happening to me with the

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<v Speaker 1>people that I love the most, or with the person,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one of the two people that I love

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<v Speaker 1>the most, the two people being my children. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is something that is still very present and I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was worth us discussing again. So you know, we've

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<v Speaker 1>discussed the Tuskegi experiments. We've discussed, you know, all the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons that folks could have an issue with this vaccine.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there is some good news. The racial gap has narrowed.

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<v Speaker 1>After months of like poor turnout and you know, some

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<v Speaker 1>folks not having access, particularly in black and brown communities.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the racial gap is narrowed. And that's really

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<v Speaker 1>a testament that to the decisions that many states have

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<v Speaker 1>made to send people to knock on doors, to have

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<v Speaker 1>you know, conversations to kind of, you know, tackle these

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<v Speaker 1>myths that exist about how effective the vaccines are and

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of deal with those false equivalencies. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if everyone else has vaccinated, why do I need to

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<v Speaker 1>get vaccinated? To that sort of stuff. But there is

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<v Speaker 1>also a reality, oh real quick, there's roughly an equal

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<v Speaker 1>share of black, white, and Hispanic adult populations. And to

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<v Speaker 1>be specific, it's seventy percent of black adults, seventy one

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<v Speaker 1>percent of white adults, and seventy three percent of Hispanic adults.

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<v Speaker 1>So those guys are doing better than everyone, so good

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<v Speaker 1>for them. And they've and all of these folks have

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<v Speaker 1>received at least one vaccine dose. So that's seventy percent

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<v Speaker 1>is that is where black people are, seventy one, White folks,

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three Hispanic folks. But that still leaves a huge

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<v Speaker 1>chunk of the population who are very much at this

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<v Speaker 1>point having because it's been free for such a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really it. It suggested they firmly believe that there's

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<v Speaker 1>something going on that they don't you know, want to trust.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet, as we know, black folks and brown folks

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<v Speaker 1>tend to be more susceptible to the ailments. And and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, death is more likely of an outcome, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the darker you are. That's just kind of way it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And with respect to most every medical condition. And what

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<v Speaker 1>I what I wanted to tackle today again is the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that there's a lot of people who are, in

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<v Speaker 1>my estimation, these folks want to stir up trouble. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't see any other reason why they would want to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. They want to They're looking for things to

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<v Speaker 1>confirm their bias, right. And I know these folks, I

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<v Speaker 1>follow them on social media. These have been friends of

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<v Speaker 1>mine for a very long time, and they've they've found

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<v Speaker 1>their hill. You know, they're hey, you know that you're

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<v Speaker 1>not putting that vaccine in my body. And then they're

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<v Speaker 1>just saying all of this nonsense. You know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>once they've established you know, their stance, then they you know,

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<v Speaker 1>spee all this nonsense to their followers. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as we all understand, everyone has their own platform and

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<v Speaker 1>is able to share things with their friends. Facebook is

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<v Speaker 1>a huge stage for a lot of folks. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram and and you know, Snapchat and places like that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't they're not exactly free of those types of conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to say a name, but now that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here, I don't want to say this guy's name.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll call him West Coast Rapper. Okay, this guy's

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<v Speaker 1>a rapper. He's had a couple of big hits, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>back in the nineties during the gangster rap era. Good

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<v Speaker 1>friend of mine and I get a kick kind of

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<v Speaker 1>this dude. He's he's a very uh he has a

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<v Speaker 1>very afrocentric approach to lots of things, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes he goes a little bit further than I'm comfortable following.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I really do believe that it's okay to

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<v Speaker 1>be pro black. I don't think that it's okay to

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<v Speaker 1>be anti any other color. And sometimes he kind of

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<v Speaker 1>walks that line a little bit too recklessly for me

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<v Speaker 1>for my tastes. But you know, some of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that he shares in some of his viewpoints, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're worth you know, taking, they fit you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how I the world that I think that we need

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<v Speaker 1>to create as brothers and sisters, and you know the

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<v Speaker 1>other things I just kind of leave there. But and

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't unfollowed him because obviously he's a high profile

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<v Speaker 1>individual and you know, someone that really works for the

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<v Speaker 1>type of career that I have. And then ever since

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<v Speaker 1>this vaccination stuff has kind of taken center stage, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy has just been firing left and right. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the government did this and these uncovering all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>weird stuff and these you know, this this person interviewed

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Fauci, and or doctor Fauci was caught at this

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<v Speaker 1>place doing this thing. You know, just kind of strange,

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre things that don't have any relevance to what we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about here is And what it does is it

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<v Speaker 1>either scares folks that haven't gotten around to get in

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<v Speaker 1>the vaccine yet, or it further entrenches folks who've made

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<v Speaker 1>their decision to not get the vaccine and we need

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<v Speaker 1>to actively be working to save lives. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that initially I thought I would be okay with

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<v Speaker 1>is Republicans, you know, because it's one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that is really big in their world too, anti VAXX,

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<v Speaker 1>anti mask, you know, really anti mask and anti vacs

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<v Speaker 1>as a you know, as a tandem. You know, those

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<v Speaker 1>two those two things are there, that's their left and

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<v Speaker 1>right punch on. For black folks, it's more anti you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want the vaccine, you know, which, again, there's

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<v Speaker 1>some context there, we kind of understand that a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit better. For Republican folks, I feel like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them feel like it's a matter of their liberties

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<v Speaker 1>getting violated. So it's a different reason to say no,

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<v Speaker 1>a different reason to be upset. This is my this

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<v Speaker 1>is my estimation. I certainly want to hear your thoughts,

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<v Speaker 1>But initially I thought, you know, well, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>these people really want to be that ignorant and they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to end up, you know, dying or otherwise being

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<v Speaker 1>affected long term by this virus, then that only helps

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<v Speaker 1>thin the herd, you know. And once I got the

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<v Speaker 1>sobering numbers of how many Republican votes have actually died

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<v Speaker 1>because of this, and once I really started to look past,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my own ideas of what the world should

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<v Speaker 1>be and all this sort of stuff and really start

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<v Speaker 1>seeing that these are people who are susceptible to indoctrination

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<v Speaker 1>and propaganda, the same as any people, same as any color,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, then I started seeing those numbers for what

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<v Speaker 1>they were, human beings who are no longer here, no

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<v Speaker 1>longer have beating hearts, And then my heart started to

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<v Speaker 1>go out to them as well. And I know that

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<v Speaker 1>this is not that show, so we can't have that conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>but I recognize that these people who are opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>this vaccine are killing themselves. And you know the way

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<v Speaker 1>that you and I fight, you we don't fight with

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<v Speaker 1>fists because we're not boxers. We don't fight with I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know the many ways that people fight, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're broadcasters, so we fight with microphones. So we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it, right, and you know, with the booster numbers

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<v Speaker 1>coming out, you know it's sort of reintroduced. Okay, where

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<v Speaker 1>are we exactly with respect to COVID nineteen and what

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<v Speaker 1>are we going to do to get across that finish line?

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<v Speaker 1>So those are my thoughts. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a really interesting path to start down, especially when

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<v Speaker 3>you spoke about people having their fears, their their questions.

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<v Speaker 3>You've heard thousands, if not millions, of people say, I

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<v Speaker 3>just want to do my own research, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is on its face ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>You regular person that works at Target or Wingstop, or

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<v Speaker 3>or that is a broadcaster, or that is a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you want to do your own research juxtapus what's the

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<v Speaker 3>word I'm trying to say, juxta juxtaposition against doctors and

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<v Speaker 3>scientists who have spent their entire academic lives and careers

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<v Speaker 3>doing the research, right, Like, at some point it's ridiculous

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<v Speaker 3>on its face. Then there's the idea that you are anti.

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<v Speaker 4>Science and medicine, except when you get a headache, you

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<v Speaker 4>take an advil Like it's just it's exhausting, because it's

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<v Speaker 4>really an academic virtue flex it's not even real.

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<v Speaker 3>I am taking up this contrarian position and flexing it

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<v Speaker 3>at you.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm an intellectual.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm simply taking this position because it's the opposite of

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<v Speaker 3>popular opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I say.

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<v Speaker 3>And I seem more woke and more open minded and

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<v Speaker 3>more of a free thinker and not a follower and

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<v Speaker 3>not brainwashed and all this nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>If I just take this position and hold to it.

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<v Speaker 3>And the idea that people have to die so you

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<v Speaker 3>can seem like a hipster intellectual on.

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<v Speaker 2>The internet, angers me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's ridiculous. Right, If you don't go to the doctor,

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<v Speaker 3>and you don't eat processed foods, and you don't consum

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<v Speaker 3>refined sugars and you don't eat meat, and you live

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<v Speaker 3>off the grid and you don't use electricity and you

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<v Speaker 3>don't watch TV and you're not on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, if that's your lifestyle, truly who you are, I

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<v Speaker 2>have no.

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<v Speaker 3>Issue with any of those decisions that you're making because

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<v Speaker 3>that's who you are, that's how you live, that's how

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<v Speaker 3>you think, that's how you behave.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're talking about people.

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<v Speaker 3>Who, if they contracted COVID nineteen and got sick, would

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<v Speaker 3>go to the hospital. It's infuriating, and I think the

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<v Speaker 3>reason why I get so upset about it is because

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<v Speaker 3>the people that I personally know that I have taken

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<v Speaker 3>that stance.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that that's the reason why.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they're not doing their own research. These people

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<v Speaker 3>haven't written dissertations. They wouldn't even know how to do

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<v Speaker 3>proper actcademic research.

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<v Speaker 2>Just googling something is not research.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for saying that that's important to say. There's

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<v Speaker 1>there's a quote I wanted to share. So quote. It's

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<v Speaker 1>less about saying this racial ethnic group is more hesitant,

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<v Speaker 1>more unwilling to get vaccinated, and more about saying, you

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<v Speaker 1>know this group of people in this given area or

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<v Speaker 1>community doesn't have the information or access they need to

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<v Speaker 1>overcome their hesitancy. And this comes from Nelson Dunlap, who's

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<v Speaker 1>the chief of staff for the Sature Health Leadership Institute

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<v Speaker 1>at the House, the Morehouse School of Medicine. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 5>What I think for RAMS is they do have the information,

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<v Speaker 5>though right like, they're all of a sudden not trusting

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<v Speaker 5>the source from which they've gotten this type of information

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<v Speaker 5>for all of existence.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. So so watch this. What I think is

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<v Speaker 1>we continue to have these conversations with these people and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, prepare ourselves to address their conspiracy theories. I

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<v Speaker 1>certainly have a battle on my hands and I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>heading into it very soon, so pray for me. And then,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at the end of the day, we just

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<v Speaker 1>know that, you know, like I said, we all have

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<v Speaker 1>to get there and hopefully we don't lose too many

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<v Speaker 1>of our brothers and sisters along the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's just it's it's unfortunate, but that's the reality

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<v Speaker 1>of the situation.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you can, and before we move on, because

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<v Speaker 3>of the vaccine, we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>People dying from this way ay less.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, the numbers have gone way less.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're going to ignore that too though, because you know.

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<v Speaker 1>The folks who are still dying are the largely the

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<v Speaker 1>folks who haven't been vaccinated at all, and that is unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 1>Stick around your radios. We're coming back with more Cify

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<v Speaker 1>cipher right after this