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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Without fail, I would

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Speaker 1: But without fail, when one starts shaking in the morning,

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Speaker 1: about a couple that did this every day as well.

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Speaker 1: They had one dog, big dog that lived in their

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Speaker 1: and on this one particular morning, Jamie Faith, who is

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Bags. You know,

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Speaker 1: into one another's lives. Inevitably, Dave has the biggest bulldog

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Speaker 2: The most amazing gift, you know, the English bulldog that

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Speaker 2: the very quick one, you know, because Joe and I

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Speaker 2: This actually came from a friend. It's not a dog

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Speaker 1: He looks like a Hank too, if you could turn

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Speaker 2: And he's got like I will tell you this, he's big,

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Speaker 2: he's fun, smart and all dog. And when you're mentioning

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Speaker 2: looking right now at this picture taken from their own

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Speaker 2: a picture just of your regular average couple. It was

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Speaker 1: Out in the middle of the street. Okay. And I

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Speaker 2: All right, Now when you say left aspect of the head,

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Speaker 1: Okay, the tighter, the tighter the grouping of your shots.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but Joe, you're shooting somebody. They're going to be moving.

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Speaker 2: So all these things coming into play. Joe, you're the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is something they make look real easy in

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Speaker 1: A tremendous amount. There's some history behind the forty five

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Speaker 2: In my broad this is an execution. There is one target.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's pretty amazing. And I've heard a couple

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Speaker 2: But Joe, as the investigation unfolded, we mentioned earlier this

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Speaker 2: I don't know if the middle name means as much,

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Speaker 2: but Darren Lopez was an Army veteran Special Forces combat

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Speaker 2: vet who actually suffered a traumatic brain injury in Rock.

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Speaker 2: Because of this, Jennifer faith was she was able to

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Speaker 2: manipulate him. For want of a better word, she was

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Speaker 2: able to fill this ex boyfriend with stories of abuse

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Speaker 2: of how her husband had been abusing her physically, emotionally,

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Speaker 2: every which way there is to the point where Lopez,

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Speaker 2: this heroic figure, this Army Special Forces combat veteran, is

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Speaker 2: convinced that he needs to take out Jamie Faith. That

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Speaker 2: he needs is to dispose of Jamie Faith. And Jennifer

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00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: makes it worth his while. I'm putting that in air quotes,

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00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: offering up money and by the way, offering up a

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00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: game plan for this entire thing. She creates fake emails.

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Speaker 2: But the police can actually unravel all this now. And

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Speaker 2: I know it's a different part of her, but the

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Speaker 2: digital forensics that are available to today, Joe, they mirror

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Speaker 2: the forensics of the body in the way an investigation

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Speaker 2: is done. It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Oh, of course they do. They're electronic breadcrumbs, Dave. And

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Speaker 1: here's one of the amazing things. As the police began

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Speaker 1: to kind of unwind this story, this tale, Lopez lived

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Speaker 1: in Tennessee, and they're talking back and forth, Dave. She

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Speaker 1: had upwards that hold on to your hat. She had

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Speaker 1: upwards of fourteen thousand that's right, fourteen thousand text messages

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Speaker 1: back and forth with this guy.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, since the time they reconnected, and it

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Speaker 2: was in March of twenty twenty when they both when

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Speaker 2: they reconnected during the beginning of COVID fourteen thousand messages.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see how anyone in the world has

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Speaker 1: enough time to do that. I hate texting with people,

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Speaker 1: and that you would devote that much of your life

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Speaker 1: to it to one single individual back and forth. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not like she's shared critical data to try to

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Speaker 1: I don't know, save someone's life, or that they're communicating

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Speaker 1: with somebody that's in some kind of situation where they

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Speaker 1: need to have money, some kind of big financial transaction.

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Speaker 1: They're conducting business. We're talking about a clandestine quote unquote,

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Speaker 1: and I will use the air quotes too, romantic relationship.

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Speaker 1: And I find it interesting that the police use the

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Speaker 1: term emotional affair in here, so that implies that it

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Speaker 1: was never physical. This was always done at a great distance.

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Speaker 1: It's a long ways man.

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Speaker 2: Six hundred and fifty miles. I looked it up because

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Speaker 2: I didn't know I had to actually look on the

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Speaker 2: map and go, well, type it in mileage here, six

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Speaker 2: hundred fifty miles. And by the way, only seeing pictures

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Speaker 2: that the person wants you to see, you can really

477
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Speaker 2: frame yourself in a certain context that way, by only

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Speaker 2: allowing yourself to be seen as the other wants you

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Speaker 2: to be seen.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and when you're using language in order to

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Speaker 1: do this, particularly if you've got a guy that's that's

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Speaker 1: had his head rattled in battle, he's a disabled now,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't excuse what he engaged in with her. As

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, Go ahead and bury the lead here

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Speaker 1: and say that he's convicted murderer now. But the reality

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Speaker 1: is this is that she was able to wrangle him

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Speaker 1: into what essentially boils down for a hitman for higher

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Speaker 1: case where she's wanting to divest herself of this relationship.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Dave, what's really tragic about this is

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Speaker 1: that she went public with the murder of her husband,

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Speaker 1: this execution pleading started to GoFundMe raised upwards of sixty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars, which she gave some of this money to

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Speaker 1: Lopez to pay off credit cards and to buy items

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Speaker 1: with and all this sort of stuff. And when you

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Speaker 1: get down into the guts of this case, it's really

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Speaker 1: insidious when you think about how Jamie essentially died bleeding

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Speaker 1: out on that street.

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Speaker 2: And again three times in the head, three times in

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Speaker 2: the upper torso, and then one shot to the groin.

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Speaker 2: And that's the part I get from the very beginning. Joe,

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Speaker 2: that's the shot that got me. I don't know, it's

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Speaker 2: just a guy thing, but that has to have a

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Speaker 2: lot of meaning. When investigators are looking at a married

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00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: couple in the morning walking down the street, mass gunman

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Speaker 2: shoots the man. There was no reason to shoot him

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Speaker 2: in the groin. It served no purpose in this murder.

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Speaker 1: No it didn't. And here's the thing. First off, they

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Speaker 1: were able to track down Lopez by virtue. Obviously they

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Speaker 1: had the electronic breadcrumbs. They knew something was up. They

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Speaker 1: actually did aerial surveillance on Lopez's home in Tennessee. And

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Speaker 1: you know that script that went out over the air.

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Speaker 1: He was driving a black Ford four door Nissan Titan.

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Speaker 1: All right, it's black, and then it's got this big

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Speaker 1: white tea in the left window. And there's one text

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Speaker 1: that's where she says to him, you probably ought to

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Speaker 1: get that tee off of your window as soon as possible.

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Speaker 1: They knew that something was up, that this was ill planned.

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Speaker 1: And can you imagine when the authorities determined who they

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Speaker 1: were dealing with at this point in time, And it

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Speaker 1: was to the degree that ATF had to send their

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Speaker 1: Response team out there. It's not like a couple of

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Speaker 1: ATF agents went out to take this guy into custody.

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Speaker 1: They sent their SRT team out there. So they're fully

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Speaker 1: kitted up because they're going into a man's home in

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Speaker 1: Tennessee that is a Special Forces Operator DAVE, and so

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Speaker 1: they have this in dwelling fear. Here's what this comes

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Speaker 1: down to. This guy showed up with a handgun that

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Speaker 1: was more than sufficient to the task. He shot this

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Speaker 1: man seven times and these are penetrating gunshot wounds. And

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Speaker 1: that's essential because the ammunition that was used, and ammunition

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Speaker 1: fragmented within his body. They perforating. So people hear the

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Speaker 1: term perforating many times, I might think about perforated paper,

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Speaker 1: but here like perforating an ulcer, that means kind of

534
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: through and through and with If you hear us say perforating,

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Speaker 1: that means that around actually passes through and out out

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Speaker 1: of subjects. So the groin shot that he sustained was

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Speaker 1: a perforating gunshot wound, and it blasted out through his

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Speaker 1: leg and the groin it entered and blasted out. The

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Speaker 1: other six gunshot wounds were penetrating Dave and listening to

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Speaker 1: the forensic pathologist. As she described these injuries to Jamie's head,

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Speaker 1: the shot grouping was so tight that she had to

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Speaker 1: go to great links in order to try to understand them.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, at autopsy, she had to

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Speaker 1: shave Jamie's head in order to understand what was going

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Speaker 1: on beneath the hair. Now, there was no soot deposition,

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Speaker 1: so that means that the person that shot him, Dave

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Speaker 1: here's the rub shot him at a distance. There was

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Speaker 1: no soot, There was no gunpowder deposition on his body.

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Speaker 1: So whoever fired this weapon was highly skilled and knew

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Speaker 1: what they were doing. M I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and

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Speaker 1: this is body backs