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Speaker 1: Podcast starts now. Wow wow wow, wow wow. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Stradio Lab.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to season five and five.

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Speaker 1: Five years. Well four, but you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: season five.

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Speaker 2: It's the fifth year.

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Speaker 1: It's the fifth year. It's the fifth year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, five is a major one.

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Speaker 1: No, it's huge, We're happy for a decade. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought four was a major one because and

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Speaker 2: if I can be so boldest to address this head on,

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Speaker 2: I felt like four was a major year because it

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Speaker 2: felt like we're up for reelection, which I thought was

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Speaker 2: the funniest joke I've ever heard in my life. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: of course, And of course we famously released voting themed merchandise, yes,

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Speaker 2: that people have been purchasing everywhere from Miami to Ebitha,

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Speaker 2: and so I sort of thought that was a really

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Speaker 2: fun way to play with the idea of four years.

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Speaker 2: And it sort of hasn't caught on in the way

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Speaker 2: that I would have liked, if I can be honest, would.

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Speaker 1: Be I, Yeah, I agree, it hasn't caught on in

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Speaker 1: the way that we were both hoping and thinking it

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Speaker 1: was obviously going to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because five seems cliche, and again we are not

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Speaker 2: at five yet, so We'll see what it's like when

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Speaker 2: we actually are at five years. Five seems like, oh,

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Speaker 2: everyone celebrates five, but how fun to celebrate four.

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Speaker 1: Well here's something. Here's the concept I've been working with recently, Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: is that I think I will always retell the story

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Speaker 1: so that I am right and I am important. And

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Speaker 1: like I was thinking about, you know, so four year anniversary.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so four years, that's actually the biggest

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Speaker 1: it could be because that's presidential. We went through a

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Speaker 1: whole person term, which is not a way that people

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Speaker 1: usually measure time. But I'm like, there, we did it

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Speaker 1: four years, and now like I feel that way where

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Speaker 1: I'm in LA and I'm like, like, because when I

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Speaker 1: was in New York, I was like, oh, being rough

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Speaker 1: and tumble, being rough and tumble, there's really the value.

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Speaker 2: You drinking game drink. When the thought gets to La

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Speaker 2: versus New York, I can't believe I thought it wasn't

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Speaker 2: going to be that for a single second.

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Speaker 1: You aren't. You aren't even letting me okay, go go go, Okay.

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Speaker 2: So how is the presidential How is the length of

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Speaker 2: a presidential term related to La versus New York.

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Speaker 1: You're not hearing me, George. I'm saying that I'm always right,

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Speaker 1: and in a bad way. I think this is a

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Speaker 1: bad quality where I don't actually have any concrete values.

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Speaker 1: I just make sure that I am right. Like so

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Speaker 1: the four year thing, what I mean is like we

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Speaker 1: make that important because we're like, we want to be right.

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Speaker 1: And now the five year thing, we're like, well, that's

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Speaker 1: also important, and we want to be right, and like

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Speaker 1: like like when I was like the New York part is,

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I was rough and tumble

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Speaker 1: tumble is good. Actually, oh and now I'm like not

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Speaker 1: as rough and tumble in LA and I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: actually it's good to not be rough and tumble anymore.

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Speaker 2: Well, and You're also like, why does everyone needs to

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Speaker 2: grow up?

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Speaker 1: Everyone should grow up and actually everyone should invest And

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Speaker 1: I'm like the way that I am just simply sort

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Speaker 1: of being given, like having things thrust upon me in

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Speaker 1: life and just being like, well, of course I always

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Speaker 1: intended for that to be the case.

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Speaker 2: The tonal.

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Speaker 1: And it's like it's very it does feel a bit

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Speaker 1: like trumpy in a weird way. And I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: check in with it and be like, wait, what do

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Speaker 1: I actually think? Is everything just a justification for what

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Speaker 1: has happened to me? Or do I actually believe anything?

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Speaker 2: It is the thing you are doing, by default, the

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Speaker 2: morally and ethically correct one. And basically, when you stand

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Speaker 2: for nothing and I'm now not talking about you, Sam Taggart,

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Speaker 2: when one stands for nothing, basically like at any given point,

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Speaker 2: you are creating a moral universe around your specific circumstances.

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Speaker 2: So you're literally like I am having omakas say, the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I even felt this way with like fashion totally.

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Speaker 1: I think like when I like when skinny jeans were

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Speaker 1: I'm rail thin and now like I'm less skinny and

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Speaker 1: like big things are in it. I'm like, well this

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, and actually this goes okay. So to make

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Speaker 2: it about me, please and to and be you know,

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Speaker 2: my version of la versus New York is of course

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Speaker 2: my wedding. Oh my god, what oh never mind, I

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Speaker 2: got I got a text from a guest. Oh that

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Speaker 2: started with mortified to be texting you this, and I thought, oh,

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Speaker 2: they're canceling, but in fact they're looking for the venue INFOLM,

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Speaker 2: crisis averted averted, price is averted.

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Speaker 1: And so you were talking about your wedding.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So so basically when when we were shopping for suits,

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Speaker 2: I said this on the podcast, But there basically is

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Speaker 2: simply no way to not be tacky if you are

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Speaker 2: two men getting married. This is just like, to me,

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Speaker 2: it's a truism, like anything you do. If you match,

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Speaker 2: it's tacky. If you do a little bit like oh,

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Speaker 2: that also is tacky. To do casual as tacky. To

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Speaker 2: do something fun and can't be like a bolo tie

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Speaker 2: is tacky. To do super form. I mean, I guess

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Speaker 2: the only thing you could do is fully black tie

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Speaker 2: two tuxes.

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Speaker 1: That's good of hot.

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Speaker 2: I think that is maybe the only saving But then

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Speaker 2: it's almost like if you're doing two tuxes, there's something

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Speaker 2: so you know, want to be straight wedding about it.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, Like there's something sort of like republican of course. Well,

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Speaker 2: so anyway, the point is I at every given every

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Speaker 2: time I would make a new decision about how we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And now you're learning that there's no way to

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Speaker 1: avoid it.

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Speaker 2: There's no way to avoid it. But there's also unlike

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Speaker 2: unlike say a birthday, or unlike a I don't know,

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Speaker 2: even like a work of art or something, there's no

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Speaker 2: way to even lean into it because actually it sucks

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Speaker 2: when if you're if I'm saying, I'm leaning into the tagginess,

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Speaker 2: that's also taggy. You can't win, do you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. Yeah, So anyway, that's where I'm at right now.

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Speaker 2: I also need to tell everyone at home, we're recording

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Speaker 2: this six days before my wedding, So this is what

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Speaker 2: you're getting. This is what you're getting. Nothing like I've resisted.

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Speaker 2: I think we can all agree. To my credit, I

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Speaker 2: have not been one of these people that's constantly talking

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Speaker 2: about their wedding. And I've actually been very conscious of

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Speaker 2: I mean, I talk about it with you because you

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Speaker 2: are my you know, dear friend.

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Speaker 1: But I think in general, I'm like, we're gonna have

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Speaker 2: But don't you do you feel like I've been maybe

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong. Do you feel like I've been like constantly

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Speaker 2: bring it up?

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Speaker 1: No? I mean, I think you're talking about a normal amount.

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Speaker 2: A more normal amount.

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Speaker 1: I do think you're also setting yourself up to fail

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Speaker 1: by say you're not talking about it, because.

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Speaker 2: No, I talk about it. But I guess right now,

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Speaker 2: my point is like that ship has sailed this week.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing else. I mean, I feel like I'm basically

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Speaker 2: else because it seems like completely beside the point, because

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Speaker 2: And how do you know I want to visit them

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Speaker 2: the right amount and you know, make them feel welcome,

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Speaker 2: And then my other cousin is coming tomorrow, and then

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Speaker 2: then like, is the restaurant I'm recommending gonna have reservations?

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Speaker 2: And is it too expensive? And are we like is

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Speaker 2: everyone satisfied with their hair and makeup? And is the

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Speaker 2: one vegan that's coming to her wedding. Max Water gonna

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Speaker 2: be gonna have a meal.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we can order something to go find eas used

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Speaker 1: throw on the grill.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly grill. I know, honey, it's gonna be crue today.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna get baby carrots and whole food's hummus and

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Speaker 1: Okay, I have to tell you one thing, please. I

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Speaker 1: in preparation for your wedding, I watched My Big Factory

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Speaker 1: Wedding again.

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Speaker 2: What did you think?

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Speaker 1: I thought this is a weird movie.

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Speaker 2: Wait, it was it your first time watching it?

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Speaker 1: No? I saw it when I was a kid, okay,

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 1: But then I watched it as right now as an adult,

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Speaker 1: and I really didn't love it. To be honest, I

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Speaker 2: Like, I was like, did you feel like it was

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Speaker 2: like it's politics were regressive in some way? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I felt like there was also, like I remember it

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Speaker 1: funny to me this time, Like I was like, yeah, okay, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess Greek people are kind of weird, huh, but.

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Speaker 2: I mean it is Unfortunately, there's like no way for

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Speaker 2: me to talk about big factorick wedding in an objective way.

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Speaker 2: And all the jokes have been so canonized in my

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Speaker 2: and I and here's the other thing. And I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you have things like this too, where like I don't

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Speaker 2: know which of the jokes work because they are specific

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Speaker 2: to Greek people versus because they are objectively good jokes

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Speaker 2: in a film. Yeah, Like, for example, the dad saying,

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Speaker 2: show give me a word, any word, and I'll show

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Speaker 2: you how the root of that word is Greek. That

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Speaker 2: is literally how Greek people are because they're so proud that,

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Speaker 2: know does. It was like fun to see it represented.

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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, sure, I mean it's it is a good

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Speaker 1: it's yeah. I just remember being like like the windex joke.

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Speaker 1: I remember like that crushing when I was.

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Speaker 2: Well the Windex joke. Yes, totally. The Windex joke has

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Speaker 2: an element of I love lamp. Yeah, yeah, because they're there.

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Speaker 2: Well it's not just yet to be there. Okay, I've

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Speaker 2: been thinking about this a lot. People are talking about

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Speaker 2: like how memes are bad now. People are like, so

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Speaker 2: the new thing is just saying the word demure, Like

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Speaker 2: that is not a meme, like in my day we

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Speaker 2: had lullcats or whatever. And actually, and I've I've fallen

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Speaker 2: think demure is just the new movie quote. Everyone says.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps people could be quoting Deadpool and Wolverine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna say. Perhaps they

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Speaker 1: People think they've outsmarted quoting movies and know how to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it it's it is as embarrassing as

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Speaker 1: It is weird too, especially like I think the weirdest

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Speaker 2: Can I say something please? The pole you are wearing

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Speaker 2: is the hottest article of clothing I've seen in my life.

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Speaker 1: You know, thank you so much for saying that. It's

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Speaker 2: I'm like, this is great. This actually reminds me of

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I got this polo and another polo from a friend

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Speaker 2: It's so rare that a polo strikes the exact right

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Speaker 2: No, I the wink is coming through in a big way.

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Speaker 1: Because when you're a child hearing about weddings, you're like,

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Speaker 2: so so there's that. Then there was of course being

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Speaker 2: its own thing. It's very Christian fine. I will say,

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Speaker 2: But I will of course not be a part of that.

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Speaker 2: Well well it would be, I mean it would be

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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, that's fun. That's fun, because yeah, I I've

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Speaker 2: being presumably very drunk, like going back, do people have

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00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 2: the energy to then have like momentous sex to celebrate

435
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: their wedding, Because I gotta say, like, it sort of

436
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 2: sounds like it would be a challenge.

437
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: It sounds like it would be hard. It sounds like

438
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: it would be well not hard or not hard. Who Yeah,

439
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 1: I think that would be I think, but I think

440
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 1: I would need a conversation beforehand where it's like, hey,

441
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: just FYI like, let's not like tonight.

442
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 2: Or is the solutionion to like literally sneak out at

443
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: some point between wedding and after party, have sex and

444
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 2: then make your grand re entrance.

445
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd have like sex that morning and be like

446
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: this is our sex for the day.

447
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 2: A quick a quick handy in the bath. Well that's

448
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,719
Speaker 2: with your with your groom.

449
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: That's actually huge. That actually would.

450
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 2: Maybe that's it. Yeah, I think literally, Okay, all right,

451
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: well that's the thing about I have to say. I'll

452
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 2: say this, there is something very sexless sexless about planning

453
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 2: a wedding because suddenly this person that you are attracted

454
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 2: to and that you are ravenous for is your business partner,

455
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 2: and your business is event planning LLS. It's you know,

456
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 2: Red Roses event Planning LLC. And you wake up every

457
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 2: day and have a business meeting. You both have different

458
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: Google docs with lists you're checking did we have we

459
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 2: done this?

460
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: Like?

461
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: Can I check this off?

462
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: Like?

463
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: Did you talk to your mom about that? And it's

464
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 2: not just running a business, it's running a family business

465
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: and your mothers are heavily c seed on email.

466
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that sounds tough. And I did.

467
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: There was a period where that like got to me

468
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: where I was like I need to and I actually

469
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: did get past it, but there was a period I

470
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: was like, uh, oh, I need to like get back

471
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: to you know, get being in a sexual place.

472
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I did and it was fine, that's good,

473
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 1: that's good. Do you have radical empathy for people who

474
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: have gotten married before? Now?

475
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, yeah, it's crazy that It's one of

476
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: those things. And I remember feeling similarly whenever I would

477
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: go through a breakup. You know when you go through

478
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: a breakup and it feels so all encompassing, but sadness

479
00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 2: is just like truly crushing, where you're like, so, wait,

480
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: people are going through this just every day, Like I'm

481
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: just walking around and you're meant to just be going

482
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: into the office and making food for yourself and you know, chatting,

483
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 2: making small talk, and meanwhile your entire body feels like

484
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 2: it's being crushed by a tractor. Wow, Like that's how

485
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 2: I feel where I'm like this, this is very difficult work.

486
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I guess I do feel that

487
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: way about moving as well, where I'm like, stuff, I

488
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: can't believe people do this. This is like I wouldn't

489
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: wish this on my worst enemy. It's like the most

490
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: unnatural thing on planet Earth to like pick up your

491
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: stuff and move it to another building. And it's also

492
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: just never ending. The errans, the errands, the errans.

493
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: One of the toughest pills to swallow is that the

494
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: ethos of adulting was actually really wise.

495
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: No, it's such a bummer because it's true.

496
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: Like the idea of I'm adulting. You're adulting so hard

497
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: right now, it's like, yeah.

498
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: You just a trade you also do. It's helpful to

499
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 1: put a phrase to it exactly because you're like, I am,

500
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: this isn't me. I'm doing something different, and that thing,

501
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: unfortunately is adulting. Okay wait I had one more. Oh okay. Also,

502
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: you know how like I feel like when in our twenties,

503
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: like straight people doing stand up comedy are always like

504
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: so basically everyone I know is getting married and it's

505
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: like that type of thing, and I was always eye

506
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: rolly at that, and now I'm like, oh, but now

507
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: everyone I know is getting married, like literally it is like,

508
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, not beating the like delayed adolescents whatever or

509
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: whatever it's called Peter Peter Pans and Trump where it's

510
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: just like gay people are just like ten years behind.

511
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: Like yeah, totally now for your temporality the phrase that

512
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 2: I learned but never looked up. Yeah yeah, yeah, I

513
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 2: totally I completely agree that gay people are ten years behind. However,

514
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 2: there's something actually on the comedic front, you know, as

515
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 2: I'm like sort of wrapping up this or not wrapping up,

516
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: but like you know, wrapping up the tour for this

517
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 2: hour and thinking like, oh, what do I want like

518
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: my new material to be about. I'm like, wait, this

519
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: is a gold mine. Like all these things that have

520
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: been considered cliche and straight comedy have not been explored

521
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 2: adequately by gay people. It's true, Like where's there's like

522
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 2: there's no comedy yet about like gay divorce, about like planning.

523
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: Well I'm not I'm personally not getting gay divorce, but

524
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: I just you know, all these things that are so

525
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: cliche for straight people, like it is like gay the

526
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: process of having kids, let's say as a gay person,

527
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: the like specific like the choreography of a wedding, Like

528
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: it's your old mind.

529
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: We're doing the thing that we said at the beginning

530
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: where it's like, well it's happening to me, so it's totally.

531
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: It's yeah, no, it's true. It's true.

532
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: I mean there's a part of me that's also like were

533
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: they right too? Like were the people that we felt

534
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: were hack at twenty seven?

535
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: They were completely right?

536
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: They were right, and we were just like being bitches.

537
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: Well it's so funny because we think of them were

538
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: like you are being hack and you are being cliche.

539
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 2: And the reason is actually because we just can't relate

540
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: to the things they're saying. Yeah, maybe it's a lack

541
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: of empathy on our part.

542
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: Well, needless to say, Well, it's also.

543
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: Like things that we only know theoretically, Like the idea

544
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: of like my bitch mother in law is something I

545
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: only know as an archetype.

546
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's a lot even I'm finding my I'm

547
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: liking comedy that is more grounded these days, and I'm

548
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: liking to try to do that. And I really hated

549
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: that concept, you know, ten years ago. Yeah, now I'm like, well,

550
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: it actually is important to sort of explore what you know,

551
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: the daily, daily happenings.

552
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: Do you think that maybe that is a response to

553
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: all of online videos being colors and sounds. It's almost

554
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: like the idea of all comedy has been co opted

555
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: by people by like that, basically like the chat GBT

556
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: hegemony of like terrible nonsensical content. It used to be

557
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: that being nonsensical was like talking heads stopped making sense.

558
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 2: It used to be radical, and now actually TikTok is

559
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: all nonsensical bullshit. So the most radical thing you can

560
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: do is to do a traditional setup punchline joke about

561
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: your mother in law.

562
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: This is so smart. We're having We're like being reactive

563
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: to the internet, but in a good way. We're doing activism.

564
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sort of like the return of you know,

565
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: it's like how the slow food movement was in response

566
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: to fast food. I don't know, I mean, do you

567
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: think I mean, I honestly think we might be too

568
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: far gone. I hate to say it.

569
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: What do you mean, like as a culture.

570
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: Like I just think I almost think that nonsensical TikTok

571
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: ethos has taken over so much that I don't know

572
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: if you can save it by committing to set up

573
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: punchline jokes.

574
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: No, that's true, you know what.

575
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: Oh, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.

576
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: You know what the beginning of the end was what

577
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: Skittle's commercials Taste the Rainbow, because they were always being

578
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: so weird, Like remember they got really weird with this,

579
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: and I remember being like, this is cool, like a

580
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: brand is like in touch with online vibes. And now

581
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this is actually horrible And I should

582
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: have seen that as like the first nail in the coffin. Yeah,

583
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: so being weird and being random is beyond canceled.

584
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: Beyond canceled.

585
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: How about everyone says how they feel and how they

586
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: feel about their mother in law. Okay, wait, I have

587
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: another Okay, this is a concept I want to run

588
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: by you please. I feel like this summer I've been

589
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of people doing what I've labeled having

590
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: a boyfriend off. Oh yeah, totally, where it's like people

591
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: that used to date, break up, get new boyfriends and

592
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: then post post post these boyfriends.

593
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: The way this is about a specific person we know.

594
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: Oh I don't say that, no no, no, no no, no,

595
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: it's not. But but ye.

596
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: Think I'm thinking this is a general trend. I think

597
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: this happens and people are posting their boyfriends like in

598
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: a way that is not it is it's competitive, it's yeah,

599
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: it's a it's an Olympic sport posting your boyfriend.

600
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: It's an Olympic sport. And there's also something that even

601
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: transcends boyfriend per se, where people just keep discovering new

602
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: gay guys like well, I think, don't you like it's

603
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: it's literally like someone's story, just like look at this one.

604
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 2: His name is Abe, like it's and it's just like

605
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: a new handle you've never heard of, and then suddenly

606
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: he's just like part of the group, and we're almost

607
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: in the like kind of post modern phase of that.

608
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: First all of them it was almost like first all

609
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: of them were sort of like normal, and all of

610
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: them are like also kind of weird looking.

611
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all a little weird. There's also like at first

612
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: it made it was like linear, like it was like, oh,

613
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: they're younger, Like I don't know them because they're younger,

614
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: And now it's like, wait, they're the same age, Like

615
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: how how are you back from my age in like

616
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: exactly in my community and I have not known you

617
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: for ten years.

618
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's almost like a lantern flag quality where you're like, oh,

619
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: I guess they're everywhere now.

620
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: It's also it's very season two of a sitcom introducing

621
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: a new character and everyone has to pretend they've always

622
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: been there.

623
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very like Friend of a Housewife, where it's

624
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: very clear that this woman was cast by Andy Cohen

625
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: and then suddenly you know, it'll be like Bethany Frankel

626
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: being like we met in the East Hampton like a

627
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: couple of years ago and it was a really good

628
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: season and that was the year that I broke my leg,

629
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: But then it grew back and then it's just like, Okay.

630
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: Are you ever scared? I get scared sometimes that I

631
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: will be the new gay guy for someone else and

632
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: they think they're living in reality, when like and that

633
00:31:59,120 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: it's their reality.

634
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: I bet you it happened without you realizing in la

635
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: like because suddenly you started popping up and people didn't

636
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 2: know you.

637
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: Wait, that's so true. I definitely have. It definitely happened.

638
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: I actually distinctly remember when I moved to New York

639
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: and I was that guy.

640
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: Did you enjoy that that feeling? You know?

641
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: I actually think I should have enjoyed it more. I

642
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: think there was a window where I could have really

643
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: been I had to say, it's sort of a passed

644
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: around whore if I wanted to, but I was sort

645
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: of like I wanted to make a good impression and

646
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: I wanted to befriend everyone. And then I think later

647
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: on I realized, Oh, because I saw how it would

648
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: happen when other people would move, I was like, oh damn,

649
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: that was me for a good like four months. There

650
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: should have taken advantage of that.

651
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think people I find it to be an

652
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: uncomfortable position because yes, there's excitement, but there's also like hesitation,

653
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: like everyone sees you and they're like, do I try?

654
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: And I'm like, how about you just treat me normal?

655
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're Emily when she moved to Paris.

656
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm literally Emily in Paris. I'm Sam in La.

657
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: I wonder and I have nothing to contribute to this

658
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: at the moment, but I am trying to think, like,

659
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: do we have any straight culture sort of takeaways from

660
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: this summer or even straight related hopes and dreams for

661
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: the fall or for this coming academic year, because of

662
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: course we go over. We're on an academic schedule, and

663
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: our seasons always start in September.

664
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: Well, we need summers off.

665
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: Can I ask you something please? I think there's been

666
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: a gas lighting where we're all meant to think school

667
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: has always started in August. But to me, school starts

668
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: in September.

669
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing about school. I think it's always

670
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: on the border, and that's where it keeps you on

671
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: your toes. Sometimes it starts in August, and it starts

672
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: in September. This was, you know, moving around America all

673
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: the time.

674
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: Sometimes would start in August.

675
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: Yep.

676
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: See, because I always thought growing up and I live

677
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: in you know, two countries, two states here, like I've

678
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: you know, I went to college in California. Everywhere I

679
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: ever lived school started in September. But I was always

680
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: aware of this mythology that in some places school starts

681
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: in August. And I was always like, you, guys, that

682
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 2: can't be real. Summer literally August is summer I have.

683
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: But now you're telling me that it's true.

684
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: I've lived both and getting out of school. Also, sometimes

685
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: it ends in May, May in June.

686
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: Insane school should start in September and end in June.

687
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: It's just clean.

688
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: It's just that's final, and it should be I would say,

689
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: like my ideal world, second week of September, after Labor Day.

690
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 2: First week should be a short week.

691
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: Well it has to be a short week.

692
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: Yes, first week has to be a short week. And

693
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: then you want to end first week of June.

694
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: I fully agree. I think June fifth is the perfect

695
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: day to end in school because those then you get

696
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: those five days of misery because you're like, damn, it's

697
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: almost there. Wait, I have more news. I'm realizing. I'm

698
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: thinking I have to tell you I've done a complete

699
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: one eighty on Billie Eilish.

700
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: Are you now all in on Billy Iisle, I'm kind

701
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: of in on her, okay, and you know what, get

702
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 2: ready for this what I'm all in on Chapel Rowne.

703
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: I somehow I think I just needed to not be

704
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: part of the onslaught, like I needed to discover her

705
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: on my own. And I for whatever reason, I just like,

706
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it's all the songs everyone has already made hits,

707
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: so no one needs me to say that Pink Pony

708
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: Club is good. But I just had resisted it for

709
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: so long, and I played it a couple of weeks

710
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: ago and I was like, oh, yeah, that's going to

711
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: go ahead and be a major hit.

712
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: Can I ask what finally allowed? Like why you were

713
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: able to let yourself listen?

714
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: Here's what it is. Azelia Banks tweeted or posted or

715
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: something that Chapel is like the only authentic white pop,

716
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: which I don't, you know, agree with, but there was

717
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: something about it that really struggle Chord because I was like,

718
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: it actually is true that in her sort of midwesternness,

719
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: she is like she's like, this is my culture and

720
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: she's not trying to be something else in the way

721
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: that even you know, some of our favorite women like

722
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: a Steph like a Gaga. Yeah, Gaga immediately was like

723
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: I want to be Bowie. I want to pretend that

724
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: I'm like a downtown diva rather than an NYU freshman,

725
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: Like I'm trying all these different hats and I and

726
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: of course we celebrate that, and I think it's great

727
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: that she has all these personas. But there's something about

728
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: Chapel that's like, I am from the Midwest and I

729
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: love drag race, and actually that is so authentic, Like

730
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: there are so many girls like that, and she just

731
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: also happens to be talented and a good songwriter, and

732
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: so she can bring that to the you know, to

733
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: the foe and I don't know, there was something I also.

734
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: I mean, she is undoubtedly so annoying when she's doing

735
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: little videos and like yelling at the camera, but that

736
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: is also authentic, like that you actually don't have a

737
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: right to be annoyed with that, because that is what

738
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: a sort of like twenty six year old girl from

739
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: Missouri who doesn't know how to deal with fame. He's

740
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: gonna be like, Where's Gaga would be like In an

741
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: interview with Barbara Walters, I remember this so well. She

742
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: was getting interviewed by either da Answer or Barbara Walters.

743
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 2: And she took off her glass sunglasses and she goes,

744
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 2: matter of factly, she's twenty four years old. She goes,

745
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: I don't usually take off my sunglasses, but I wanted

746
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: to for you. And it's like, girl, have some respect.

747
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think that Chapel. It's like an It's

748
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: very refreshing. It's like a new angle you can finally

749
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: be like. Oh. She just like, yeah, she is herself

750
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: in a fun way.

751
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: She also is like, I think you have have to

752
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: kind of move past the lack of cool, Like she

753
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: is a little she's not cool, Like she's not cool

754
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: in the way that I don't know a lot of

755
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: like Charlie is. She isn't She's not gonna be Charlie.

756
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah. She's also sort of a talk about

757
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: She's like a reaction to the you know, everyone having

758
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: the same Instagram face, everyone having the same everyone copying

759
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: the Charlie aesthetic, everyone wanting to be like this like

760
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: bad club bitch. And she's like what if. She's like, yeah,

761
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: she's the antidote to that.

762
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, So so you say, I do love that she

763
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 4: I'm sure this has been addressed, but I love that

764
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 4: her drag persona is just like that, like Alaska's doll

765
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 4: from Drag Race.

766
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: What is her name?

767
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: Little pound Cake?

768
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 2: Little pound Cake? Again, I'm sure I'm not the person

769
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: to say this, but like, it is just funny that

770
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 2: she's like, by the way, I'm a little pound.

771
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: Cake, George. I almost feel that, you know, I think

772
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: the world deserves an apology from you about Chapel, about Chapel, because, okay, I.

773
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: Accept and I'm apologizing.

774
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, you can't just say you are apologizing. You

775
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: have to apologize, you know what I mean.

776
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: I am deeply sorry to little pound Cake, Chapel, Roane,

777
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: all of Chapel, Rone's stands, Sam Taggart, everyone that wrote

778
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: to us. I think this girl is very talented, and

779
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: I think it's not her fault that her sound is

780
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: has such mass appeal that people are being annoying about it.

781
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not her.

782
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: And just like it wasn't Lizzo's.

783
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: Fault, well it became Lizo's fault.

784
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: It became Lozo's fault, and that's a different story. Well that,

785
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: by the way, Chapel is getting dangerously close to it

786
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 2: becoming her faulty.

787
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: Well, I told you she's at Lozzo's Pass. She can

788
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: she can go through one way or the other, and

789
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: I really hope she goes the right way.

790
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: I hope we get to Lizo's Pass at some point

791
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: because I'm let's just say that.

792
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: That's actually a great point. Do you think would you

793
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: there's like a would you rather hear of? Like? Would

794
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: you rather like remain in obscurity but the people that

795
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: love you like really like you and think you're cool?

796
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: Or would you rather get extremely popular for five years

797
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: and then anyone with taste think you suck?

798
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: Well, here's the third path, which I cannot believe she

799
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: has pulled off. Literally, Charlie XX, that's true. It's insane.

800
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: How how has she done it to basically completely be

801
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: in control of her like old status while also having

802
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: the number one album in the summer and literally doing

803
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: something as embarrassing as tweeting Kamala is brat.

804
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: It does not matter, No, it doesn't matter well because

805
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: she's played the long game. It's been a slow burn

806
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: and so long.

807
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: One of our great geniuses.

808
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: She's one of our great geniuses.

809
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 2: Anyway, to answer your question.

810
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: And question, you can't be the third thing.

811
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: You can't be no, I understand, I mean the only

812
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: obviously spiritually and esthetically and politically, I would want to,

813
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: you know, just be niche. But of course, you know,

814
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: my bank account comes into it, and I'm like, I

815
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 2: guess I want to be niche. But then like have

816
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: one secret government contract where I can make all my

817
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: money like I I want to ghost, right, I guess

818
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: what I want is to be niche, niche pop star. Okay, okay,

819
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: but I'm writing Beyonce's songs like I'm a I'm a

820
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: credited writer on mainstream stuff.

821
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 1: Interesting see that position, Caroline polo check Sure, sure, that's

822
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: a good level, that's a tasteful level. Yeah. I feel

823
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: like I would actually hate to be a like writer

824
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: for someone else for songs.

825
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 2: Okay.

826
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: I think it would drive me up the wall because

827
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: I'd be like, well, that's not theirs. Like if, like

828
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: if I wrote a song I had Britney Spears and

829
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: it was like a huge hit and I was like

830
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: one of for writers on it, I would be like,

831
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: I'd be like, actually.

832
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: I wrote that, Like I'm about to blow your mind.

833
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: This is your current position is that you are writing

834
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 2: jokes for a more famous comedian with a group of writers,

835
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: and then you also have a niche gay podcast. What

836
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: do you think?

837
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're being really smart, and I

838
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: think you're pointing out maybe why I'm having this response interesting,

839
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: But I obviously you know money really is a curse.

840
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: Money you're telling me, sweetheart.

841
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: Money is a little more complicated things that exists. I

842
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: look at like so many pop stars and I'm like,

843
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: are you are you doing okay? Like when someone like

844
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 1: like I'm curious about like Tanache's bank account, I agree

845
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I know that you're doing well when

846
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: it comes to music, but I also know that money

847
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: is like one needs a good amount of money to

848
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: like shoot a music video, even like I'm like, can

849
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: you can you do this? This seems hard?

850
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: So Don Richard, who is was one of the original

851
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 2: members of Danity Kane and has had this like amazing

852
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: Pitchfork esque indie career as a real niche artist, like

853
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: she was in a song with the Dirty Projectors. She

854
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: has like there's a sort of diy element to a

855
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: lot of the stuff she does, and her music, vide

856
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: and everything, everything is always so carefully done and she

857
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: has such critical acclaim but she simply is not listened

858
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: to by many people, and the way it keeps me

859
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 2: up at night. I'm like, I'm like, are you paying rent? Like, like,

860
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: what is your I need to see your tax returns

861
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: and I will happily donate.

862
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I hate I hate thinking. I hate that

863
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: I'm concerned with that now. But it is something that

864
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: as I've seen the world, I'm like, whoa, this is scary. Everyone,

865
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: even if you're famous, you have to pay rent. That's great.

866
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: One of the darker things like if you were in

867
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: did you say she was in in Danity Kane. Yeah,

868
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: if you were in Danny Kane, you should get housing

869
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: for free for life, literally, like you have provided a

870
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: service to the community and you deserve a home with

871
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: a government issue balcony. It is actually.

872
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: Crazy that you can be in Dannity Kane and then

873
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: like that doesn't matter in terms of your IRA.

874
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: If you are we're in Danny kan you should be

875
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: able to walk onto a car dealership and be like,

876
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: I'll take that one. And no one's asked you to

877
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: like sign anything. You just get to have it. It's

878
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: like when if you were in Danny Kane, you should

879
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: be like a soldier who was able to like knock

880
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: on a door and get to stay in the house when.

881
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: People ask, oh, can I see your ID? Can I

882
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: see your credit card? You should be able to just

883
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: play the YouTube video for the Damaged music video and

884
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: just show it and say, in again, not to quote Alaska,

885
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: this video is my ID. Motherfucker.

886
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: If if you were in the Damaged music video free

887
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: food for.

888
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 2: Life, literally, do do you have some bread steaks? Handy?

889
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: Damn it. I didn't get the syllables right.

890
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: Oh, but you were close. People will get it and

891
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 1: they'll find it endearing. Okay, Damn I'm for some reason

892
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: that really ripped me up. I'm ready to go to

893
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: war for danity.

894
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 2: Kane, No, I agree, I mean it is I mean

895
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: this is just what this is just what the entertainment

896
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: industry is like. I mean it just chews you up

897
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: and spits you out. Like there actually are not that

898
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,959
Speaker 2: many former you know, child actors, one hit wonders whatever,

899
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: just like put them all in a government like have

900
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: them have their own little tax status. That's like you

901
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: gave enough that you should not have to worry about anything.

902
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough, it's tough.

903
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

904
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: Do you think we'll have to cut the part about

905
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: boyfriend off.

906
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: Not not at all. It could be about truly like

907
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 2: seventeen different people.

908
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's the intent. Yeah, it's a trend, you.

909
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: Got, it is a trend. Don't worry.

910
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: Everyone's shut up.

911
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: There is literally no way it will be controversial. But

912
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: that said, I'll tell you one thing so you know,

913
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: as everyone knows. In June, I had my big George's

914
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 2: Brat moment where I went to one single.

915
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: Party, the brat moment that shocked the world, and I

916
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: was like, this is my new life.

917
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 2: Like I actually had at that point read this son.

918
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: This was humilating. I had read this essay in The

919
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: New Yorker about a woman who is in her thirties

920
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 2: that sort of like discovered clubbing and it was like

921
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: a really sort of like eye opening thing for her,

922
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: and she would like go out all the time, and

923
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: she was talking about how she has this like double

924
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 2: life of like during the day she's a serious journalist

925
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: and then at night she's like going out doing drugs,

926
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: and I was like, I mean the drugs thing aside.

927
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: I was just like, wow, that's such an inspiring story

928
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: of like you don't have to do everything in the

929
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 2: order that you are expected whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And

930
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: so I was really just sort of like, wow, I

931
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 2: guess like I'll just be one of those like cool

932
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: CLIs kids in their thirties. And then the way that

933
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: immediately I had to go on tour, a plan and

934
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: plan a wedding. This has been the least vacation, the

935
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: least relaxing summer of my life. I've gone to the

936
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 2: beach twice the entire summer. Yeah, I've never been less

937
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: tan on September second than I am today.

938
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more this this summer has. It's not

939
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: been flop because it's been like productive and yeah that

940
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: life needs to be sometimes, but it has been like

941
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I need like a double summer.

942
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: Well, the thing with summer is that, you know, life

943
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: has peaks and valleys, or let me say it this way.

944
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: There's like there's like climbing and then there's plateauing. Okay,

945
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: And in an ideal world, you use the academic you're

946
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: to climb so that you can enjoy the plateau and

947
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: enjoy the view in the summer. And I think both

948
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: you and I, in different ways, had to climb this summer,

949
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: and of course, the question becomes, do we become hustle

950
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: culture and keep climbing, or do we become you know,

951
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: iconoclasts and use the fall as a plateau.

952
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: I think unfortunately. The thing is, this is my thing

953
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: about like the week will always be the week, where like,

954
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: even if we said we were gonna plateau in the

955
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: fall and just have like a chill fall, it's still Monday.

956
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: It's gonna be You're gonna be getting emails, You're gonna

957
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: have to respond. It's you can't shake yourself from it.

958
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: And people hate to see someone being different. You think

959
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna get an email and have like a little

960
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: out of office response. It's like, sorry, I'm plateauing, Like

961
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: I actually didn't. My summer was really busy, and so

962
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 2: I'm plateauing this fall. But definitely email me back around

963
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and I might get back to you.

964
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm free. Oh oh oh about summer plateauing. Damn,

965
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: I hat's something. Oh no, hm, whatever, it's gone ever whatever,

966
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: who cares?

967
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: This is my favorite episode we've ever recorded. Yeah, I'm

968
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: just like I sort of think this is what it's

969
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 2: all about.

970
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: No, I agree. I think I'm sick of I think

971
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: I think premises are out. I think research is out.

972
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: I think I think naturalism is in.

973
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: Mmmmm, okay, you're I mean that's also a sort of

974
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: post Marvel, post Disney.

975
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, right now, we're doing the podcast about you know,

976
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: the woman coming through a divorce. We are the podcast version,

977
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: we are the podcast.

978
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: We're mumble posts doing mumble core. It's like one of

979
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: us is, uh, getting married, and one of us is,

980
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: you know, kind of going through the trials and tribulations

981
00:49:54,040 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 2: of being a upwardly mobile urban night or after an

982
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: early adulthood spent in the dret in the trenches of

983
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: alternative culture. Yeah.

984
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: Do you think I have this weird thing? I think

985
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: age is confusing me again. Where I was sort of like, oh, everyone,

986
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: everyone is everything, Like a forty year old can look

987
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 1: like whatever, a thirty year old can look like whatever.

988
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: And now I'm sort of like looking around and I'm like, wait,

989
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: that's not true. I'm starting to feel like like I'm

990
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: feeling age shame again in a way that I hadn't

991
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: I had thought. And I was also sort of like, oh, well,

992
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: like what's there to feel shame about? Like I have

993
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: this job and I'm like, you know, people in comedy

994
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: know me, and I'm like doing well. And then I'm like,

995
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: but now I'm starting to compare myself to people that

996
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: are like doing much better, who are much younger, and

997
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm a loser, I'm a failure, I'm

998
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: a flop. I should have been blah blah blah blah

999
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Yeah, and so it was confusing to me.

1000
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 2: I was looking up. There's this tweet that I read

1001
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: once from Caitlin Phillips that stop me dead in my tracks,

1002
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 2: and I returned to it often, which is that I

1003
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: think she had just turned thirty, and she wrote, the

1004
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: only thing I've noticed in my thirties is how suddenly

1005
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: all these people who previously seemed fine suddenly strike me

1006
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: as doomed. And I was like, holy, like that is

1007
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: so true.

1008
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is sick.

1009
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: It's just it's like this switch that happens where everyone

1010
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: is like running around and like we're all in community,

1011
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: and then there's this suddenly it's almost like musical chairs,

1012
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: where like everyone sits on a chair and everyone's like,

1013
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: oh up, sorry, there's no chair for you, and then

1014
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: that person just like poof disappears.

1015
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think one of the smartest things that you

1016
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: ever did, George is never identify as young like you

1017
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: were always like I want to be older than I am,

1018
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: because identifying as young, I think I did it. Of course,

1019
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: I think so many people do it. It's hard not

1020
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: to do because you're like, oh, well this, I have

1021
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: this thing, I'm youthful and everyone loves that about me.

1022
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: And then you're like, you turn thirty and you're like, wait,

1023
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't I can't like as solidly identify as youthful

1024
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: and it is then it's like, well then what am

1025
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: I Yeah, totally, And I think like the best thing

1026
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: to do is to sort of be like, I don't

1027
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: identify as youthful or old because I also hate people

1028
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: are like, I'm so old, I'm thirty, I'm old.

1029
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 2: Well, you know, as Meryl Streep said in the interview

1030
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: of hers that I recently listened to on Fresh Air

1031
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: that they are replaying as part of their Hollywood Great series.

1032
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: Because she was never deemed fuckable as a young actress,

1033
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 2: she never had to shed that and therefore have to

1034
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 2: deal with the growing pains of like reinventing herself as

1035
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: a non fuckable older actress. Yeah, this is her words,

1036
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: so don't she said that. Yeah, she was like, it

1037
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: was easier for me to like age and to not

1038
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, of this is sort of her

1039
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: own humility. Obviously, the reason MARYL. Streep did not have

1040
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: a hard time is because she's Meryl Streep. That's like

1041
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 2: a different thing. But in her mind, she's like, because

1042
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: I was never like the young Angeneu, I was never like,

1043
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: my main thing wasn't that I was fuckable. It was

1044
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: easier to then be like, oh suddenly and forty suddenly

1045
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: and forty five, because I'm just like an older version

1046
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: of what I always was. Sure sure, whereas if I'm

1047
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: like Emily Redachowski, I'm sorry, but like, she's not going

1048
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: to play the Iron Lady, although I would love it

1049
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: if she did. What if she did, I would love

1050
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 2: it if they remade The Iron Ladies during Emata.

1051
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: That would be so amazing. So it's not even about

1052
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: that's an interesting It's not about identifying as young. It's

1053
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: about identifying as fuckable. And I think you know, but

1054
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: I actually.

1055
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: Think you have known securities about your fuckibility. I think

1056
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: it really is just about age.

1057
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. No, you're right. Unfortunately thought about fuckability

1058
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: at all. I understand what she's saying.

1059
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 2: I was using as a metaphor, like I don't think.

1060
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: I don't think. I wasn't using it like literally, you

1061
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

1062
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: Like no, no, no.

1063
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: But it her fuck ability was the youth for her.

1064
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1065
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So in the same way that she never identified

1066
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: as fuckable, I never identified as young. That was my

1067
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: That was the connection.

1068
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot

1069
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: of sense.

1070
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 2: That said, I think she was actually gorgeous when she

1071
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 2: was younger.

1072
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: Of course, I think many people would suck her.

1073
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: I agree, and many people did. Yeah, are you gonna

1074
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: watch that movie where Glenn Close gets exercised?

1075
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god, do I have to?

1076
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, I haven't. I It goes back to

1077
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: our thing, and this is you know, gay and stray culture.

1078
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: It goes back to this dangerous place where camp is now,

1079
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: where it has become so democratized that it has left

1080
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,959
Speaker 2: the hands of just gay people. Yeah, you're having fully

1081
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 2: suburban moms who vote Republican being like that is so camp.

1082
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: But they're also right, Like they're right.

1083
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 2: I think, by the way, who's more camp than a

1084
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: suburban mom putting a Republican.

1085
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: It. I mean, I think because streaming has made everything

1086
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: so mediocre that camp is more fun than something just boring,

1087
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: and so they're like, you know, they're desperate for some excitement.

1088
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: I mean, it's shamal On effect.

1089
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: It's the Night Shamalan effect.

1090
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: It's like at least literally is. Yes, Like it used

1091
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,959
Speaker 2: to be that M. Night Shyamalan's movies were embarrassing because

1092
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: we would compare them to you know, The Godfather, But

1093
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: now we're comparing them to you know, The Kissing Booth three,

1094
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: So obviously they're better.

1095
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: They're obviously better. It's do you think M. Night Shyamalan

1096
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 1: is more Lizzo or Caroline Politic?

1097
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting. That's really interesting.

1098
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: Because there's also a world in which M Night Shyamalan,

1099
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: to me, there's something it's not quite this, but he's

1100
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 1: almost Charlie XCX, where he just it doesn't really matter

1101
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: what you think, He's just got to keep going.

1102
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 2: Yes, he's definitely more Charlie xx than either are the

1103
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: other two options. The only reason I'm considering it is

1104
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: because he also has this other element, which is early,

1105
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 2: genuine critical success, like Sixth Sense was like Oscar's Oscars Oscar. Yeah,

1106
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 2: so I'm trying to think if there's anyone like that

1107
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: in the music industry. I mean, dare I say he's no.

1108
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 2: I was about to say a Katy Perry figure, but

1109
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: that's not true because people don't hate him now. People

1110
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 2: still like him. He's just like sort of been reclaimed

1111
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: as camp.

1112
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 1: But they did hate him for like that, they did

1113
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: hate him. I think Katy Perry, but he's ahead of her.

1114
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: He's ahead of her. That's exactly true. Katy Perry is

1115
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: currently and her Lady in the Water era, which I

1116
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 2: hate to say it has lasted too long for comfort.

1117
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: That lady is stuck in the damn water.

1118
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: That lady is literally get me out of here, but

1119
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: the river is frozen on top of her, and she's like,

1120
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: get me out, and her muffled screams like whoa, and

1121
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 2: she's she's literally like it's a lady's world and you're

1122
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 2: lucky to be living in it. And so I think,

1123
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: you know, she's she's in the village Lady in the Water.

1124
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: The Last Airbender his biggest flop of all.

1125
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1126
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I unfortunately think this new album whatever it's

1127
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: called five secs five six seven nine three oh one

1128
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 2: is gonna also remain lady in the water, firmly in

1129
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 2: the water. She's drowning.

1130
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: She she's wet.

1131
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: And then I think maybe next album we're thinking a

1132
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: split starring James mckaboy.

1133
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking her head's coming out of the water

1134
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: a bit. Maybe she's starting to towel off that hair.

1135
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

1136
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: You gotta hope it's talk about someone that just you've

1137
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: never seen this many mistakes in a row in a

1138
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: way that, yeah, is shocking.

1139
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: I did that tweet I sent you that was like

1140
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: her art is her failure, Like it is all about

1141
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: she's like finding creative new ways to fail, and there

1142
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: is something almost joyous in it, like it's just like

1143
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 2: what else could she possibly do? Now that said, I've

1144
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 2: been listening to what is it called Lifetimes. This is

1145
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 2: my big hot take is that I'm actually sort of

1146
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 2: obsessed with the second single off of five six seven Lifetimes.

1147
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: You can never put you in a box, you know,

1148
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: Well that's how I am. He loves Lifetimes, folks. I

1149
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: heard that song and I feel was like, this is

1150
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: this was made for and by Instagram. Yes, it was.

1151
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: It's so algorithm based and it just like feels like

1152
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: a filter. But in the way where I was like,

1153
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: this is the lane that she should be in. She

1154
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: shouldn't be trying to be Charlie XCX. She's she's an

1155
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: Instagram chica now and that's good.

1156
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the thing with the Charlie XX thing

1157
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: is we predicted she would try to be Charlie xx

1158
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 2: because of her visuals, but in fact she never did. No,

1159
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: is she actually women's world is like beyond you know,

1160
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 2: Megan Trainer.

1161
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: Damn that hurts. Sorry, No, you're right, You're right. So

1162
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: I okay, since you've been resisting the pop girls like

1163
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: the chapel Rone thing, now that you like her, Yeah,

1164
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: are you is this like the floodgates are open and

1165
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: you're open to all of them now? Or is it

1166
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: like she was the one that got through? Like are

1167
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: you gonna hear this Carpenter or no?

1168
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, but okay, here's my answer. Okay, because

1169
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: I climbed rather than plateau in the summer, that meant

1170
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 2: I was not welcoming in pop music because pop music

1171
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: is for plateauing, not climbing. Yeah, So The question, of course, becomes,

1172
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 2: if I plateau in the fall, will I now go

1173
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: into a period where I'm welcoming pop girls into my life.

1174
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm going to have a Sabrina Carpenter fall because

1175
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 2: I had to spend the summer climb.

1176
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: I think that would be really nice, So I.

1177
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 2: Think maybe that'll happen. Everyone's loving the Sabrina Carpenter is

1178
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,919
Speaker 2: am I correct, You're correct. Do we think it's coming

1179
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,959
Speaker 2: from an authentic place or do we think they wrote

1180
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 2: really good songs for her?

1181
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: I think it's an authentic place. I think even if

1182
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: the songs were written for her, I don't know what

1183
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: the process is.

1184
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if she's I mean, surely, yes, songs

1185
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 2: are written for everyone. I'm not naive, But I just mean, like,

1186
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: does it is she connecting with the good music or

1187
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: is it more of like a Camela like Abeo situation.

1188
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: I think she's connecting. I think she's connecting. There's something

1189
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: about her that, even like it feels unique. She has

1190
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: a perspective that she's putting out there that is like

1191
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: feels a little bit it's sort of the opposite of

1192
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: Chapel and what we were saying. But it's like very

1193
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: much just like what if, Like what if I'm like

1194
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: kind of a like bitch, Like what if I'm like

1195
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: and not in like a like like Charlie XCX cool bitch.

1196
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: Like what about like like bad to like female friends?

1197
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: Like what if I'm like horny and bad like and

1198
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, thank you? Also like she actually feels like

1199
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: she has sex like so many pop girls talk about

1200
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: sex and like you don't have sex and her she

1201
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: has sex like Taylor Swift. I understand that logically she

1202
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: has had sex, but it doesn't feel like it.

1203
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe she hasn't.

1204
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: Then maybe she hasn't. I mean, let's start that rumors.

1205
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: I don't know is Taylor Swift Ace. I mean, I

1206
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 2: think I'm just asking questions. I'm certainly not claiming she is.

1207
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 2: But it's been just even Sam's Mike just fully fell.

1208
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: That's okay.

1209
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh.

1210
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: God, hold on, hold on, Oh.

1211
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 2: They're wheeling us away Season five ends.

1212
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: Now it's fixed. I've got it, but thank you.

1213
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 2: Huh.

1214
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: Keep that in.

1215
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 2: It just goes to show you everything collapse at any

1216
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 2: given moment. Well, things fall apart, things literally all apart.

1217
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: The senator, hold, I love that that happened. That was

1218
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: so raw. Yeah, okay, so I I yeah, I think

1219
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: all right, So well I will.

1220
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: I will think about it. I will think about potentially listening.

1221
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 2: I will say I it came across my desk that

1222
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 2: Jenna Ortiga was in one of her videos, and I

1223
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 2: want to say, Jenna Ortega gets the Georgia Award for

1224
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 2: that girl's got a good head on her shoulders.

1225
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: Hmm, that girl's got a good head on her shoulders award. Well,

1226
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: des her.

1227
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 2: I was listening to her on some interview podcasts and

1228
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 2: I said, oh, you're a deep thinker. I don't know you're.

1229
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: Addicted to listening to celebrities on interview podcasts.

1230
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is something I'm like.

1231
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: Is this part of the climb?

1232
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 2: Oh no, this is sort of like kind of has

1233
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: always been a big part of my life interesting and

1234
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 2: in a kind of embarrassing way because it actually is

1235
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 2: so useless to be to listen to celebrities speak. But

1236
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 2: like I when I was a kid, I like loved

1237
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: talk show. Was like that was actually something that got

1238
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 2: me into comedy, was being like like watching you know

1239
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 2: whatever like Letterman or whoever else, like interviewed celebrities huh.

1240
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: And also part of my obsession with Joan Rivers was

1241
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 2: that she got so close to getting her own and

1242
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 2: then it sort of didn't work out right right, right,

1243
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 2: But but no, Jenna, I was very you know, she

1244
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 2: has that child actor thing where it really is sink

1245
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 2: or swim, and if you are one of the ones

1246
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 2: that survived, suddenly you're like a Nobel laureate.

1247
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, being a child star creates a binary Yeah,

1248
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: and honestly sometimes you love why about drag Race too? Totally?

1249
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: No, You're absolutely right.

1250
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: If you're on drag Race, you can like really become

1251
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: like a full star or you will perish.

1252
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: I mean it really so much of I think, you know,

1253
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 2: fame has been democratized in this way where like suddenly

1254
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 2: everyone is hawk to a Girl, And I think the

1255
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 2: number if you're gonna go down that road and if

1256
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: you are trying to be a quote unquote creator in

1257
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: any way, the number one quality is remaining cool under pressure.

1258
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: You know. I think hawk to a Girl should have

1259
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: to become a member of Danny Kane.

1260
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: No, please take that back.

1261
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: No, I don't take it back. I stand by.

1262
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 2: I think hawk to a Girl should be in danity Kane.

1263
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: Yes, because I think if she wants to be famous,

1264
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: she's got to pay her due. She can't just be

1265
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: hawk to a Girl. She's got to be in Danny Kane. No,

1266
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: she has she has to serve our country and being

1267
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: Danny Kane.

1268
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: Okay, But but here's the thing. What you're saying is

1269
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 2: what people try to do. It's like the natural order

1270
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,439
Speaker 2: of things is like you become hawk to a Girl

1271
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 2: and then you're like, Okay, I have like a month

1272
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 2: to release a single or have a cameo in a

1273
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 2: sitcom or something.

1274
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: George, I had not even considered that hawk to a

1275
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: Girl could release a solo single, and now I'm like, wait,

1276
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: I need Hawktas.

1277
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: But do you think that is more likely than her

1278
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 2: joining the defunct girl group Danny Kane.

1279
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: Look, I of course think it's more likely, but I'm

1280
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: not I'm engaging in a different style of thinking. Sure

1281
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: where Danny Kane. It's if you're gonna be famous, you

1282
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: have to.

1283
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 2: Serve yes, No, no, no, I understand. I get what you're saying.

1284
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: And I do think that is what takes it from

1285
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 2: movie quote to actual mainstream culture or something.

1286
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, because right now she's whether she wants to be

1287
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: or not. She is in the pipeline, and I think

1288
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: to ethically be in the pipeline, she's got to join

1289
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: Danny Kane alongside Demurror Girl, and who else would be

1290
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: in Danny Kane? Yeah?

1291
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 2: Who else? Who else is going to be in Danity Kane.

1292
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: This is actually like where your head's at because I

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01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: think if we sort of killed multiple birds with one stone,

1294
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: Let's pick all the viral girls from the last six months,

1295
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 2: put them in a girl group, and if the girl

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01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,439
Speaker 2: group flops, they're all gone.

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01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, penalty six five blue eyes. She's in Danny Kane.

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01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 2: And I actually think we should do that every financial

1299
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 2: quarter because it's nice to We have to like group

1300
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: them see if, you know, if any of them is

1301
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 2: gonna pop off, and if not, we got to move

1302
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 2: on to the next because there's too much content out

1303
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 2: there for us to be doing this individually for each person.

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01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 2: It's true, I would even be, you know, okay, participating

1305
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 2: in that. And you know, put the two of us

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01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 2: in a in a girl group with a bunch of

1307
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 2: other gay comedians. We have podcasts. Let's see if we

1308
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 2: can make it work.

1309
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm actually not opposed at all I think if I

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01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: could serve my country and be in Tannity Kane with

1311
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: a fellow gay podcasters, I would be so happy. I mean,

1312
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: essentially we already are.

1313
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 2: No, it's true, we are. I had a sort of

1314
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 2: you know, I was so uninterested in talk to a girl,

1315
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 2: and then I was talking to my friend Jenna, and

1316
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 2: she was like, did you know she's Jewish? And then

1317
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 2: suddenly I was like, oh, suddenly she has Like I

1318
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 2: was like suddenly interested. I was like, wait, this girl,

1319
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 2: this random girl whose whole thing is being like this,

1320
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 2: like all American Tennessee or wherever she's from. Like that

1321
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 2: adds another layer of intrigue to me. Tell me more.

1322
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: No, I'm very I think she is someone that you know,

1323
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: we actually talked about her on our last the season finale.

1324
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: I know, I remember, so it's funny to start talking

1325
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: about her again. But there's something about her lasting power

1326
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: where it's like so offensive. She's like the fame that

1327
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: she has is so offensive that it's so addicting to

1328
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: think about and talk about, and it's I can't stop.

1329
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 2: It's one of those stories that breaks through. It's like

1330
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 2: reality breaking. Yeah, Like you're like, this feels like a

1331
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 2: sign that we that the world might end sooner than

1332
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 2: we thought.

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01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: And it's like you can't not see it from a

1334
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: zoomed out lens like it. I think everyone enjoying it

1335
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: is enjoying it from a place of like what is

1336
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: going on?

1337
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmm yeah, no, no, you're absolutely right, and like

1338
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 2: there is not a single person that is earnestly a fan,

1339
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 2: like someone who's like, oh I love it. I love

1340
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:01,479
Speaker 2: that hok to a girl.

1341
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: I loved when you were made them Southern. I love

1342
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: that hawk to a girl.

1343
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 2: That is a great character. It's just like a Southern

1344
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 2: person who earnestly loves hok to a girl. I love

1345
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 2: that hawk.

1346
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: Love that hawk Tua.

1347
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 2: Now that hawk to a girl. That's a star. I

1348
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 2: love that hawk to a girl.

1349
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: She should have president.

1350
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm proud of us for not mentioning

1351
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 2: anything about the all the various presidential candidates this entire episode.

1352
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't support that.

1353
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 2: We don't support that anymore. There was a little there

1354
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 2: was a little you know, a few weeks there where

1355
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,440
Speaker 2: we were like, sure, we'll dip our toes into political commentary.

1356
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 2: That's over, that's over. No, I did the interview killed

1357
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 2: the CNN interview. I said, that is enough out of you.

1358
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 2: I will see you on election day. Until then, I

1359
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 2: don't want to hear it.

1360
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: I will say the only benefits of the two party

1361
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: system is that you can kind of check out period

1362
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: where you're like, Okay, those are the candidates. I guess

1363
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 1: I know who I'm voting for. It now I can

1364
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: sort of check out.

1365
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, unless you know, if you're in Pennsylvania,

1366
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 2: go get up there and do some canvassing. But I

1367
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 2: don't know what you want me to do here. I'm

1368
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn and.

1369
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: I live in fucking California. Okay, fucking California.

1370
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 2: No, we know it's important, and don't write in.

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01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything we say is a joke.

1372
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 2: Duh, that's an You think we actually want to talk

1373
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 2: to a girl to join Dannity Kane? Girl?

1374
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: The fuck up? Do you think there's actually a place

1375
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: called Lizzo's Pass? There's not. We made that up. There's

1376
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 1: people out there with a damn map looking for Lizzo's Pass.

1377
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: It's a concept. Can I tell you.

1378
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 2: Something else about my my sort of this weird place

1379
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,440
Speaker 2: I am between climbing and plateauing.

1380
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: Uh, huh.

1381
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 2: I have been just watching random streaming shows. I am

1382
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 2: on episode seven of The de Cameron where Zasha Mammett

1383
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 2: plays a Venetian woman who is a huge bitch during

1384
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 2: the Bubonic Plague. This is a show that is on Netflix,

1385
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 2: and it I.

1386
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: Never heard this in my life. You're literally working the story.

1387
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 2: Yes, Zasha Manmitt Shashana Shapiro is playing a Venetian woman

1388
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 2: who like is desperate to get married because of like

1389
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 2: class reasons. And it's set during the bubonic plague, so

1390
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 2: people keep like getting the plague. And guess who else

1391
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 2: is in it? Tony Hale Oh, and a comedic role

1392
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 2: it is. I would say, what's that? You know, famous

1393
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 2: costume drama Netflix that everyone loves Shonda Rhimes. No Bridgerton.

1394
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 2: It's sort of like Bridgerton vibes in the sense that

1395
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 2: it's like a period drama but has wink Yeah. And

1396
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 2: episode seven of that episode three of the Vince von

1397
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 2: Apple TV show where he plays a a detective in

1398
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 2: Florida and the keys that has been fired. Uh huh,

1399
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 2: and now he's sort of like clying his way back

1400
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 2: loving it.

1401
01:10:55,640 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: Can I ask why why you're watching these things?

1402
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, honestly, I think something you know, as

1403
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 2: a famous cinophile, I hate to say this, but something

1404
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 2: broken me and I like really have not been able

1405
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 2: to watch a lot of movies in the last few

1406
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: weeks and months. Yeah, and I was like, at the

1407
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 2: very least, I want something new, Like I can't just

1408
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 2: watch Rest Development for the sixteenth time.

1409
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1410
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 2: And I think, and by the way, I think this

1411
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 2: is the this is the thought process that a lot

1412
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: of Americans go through which causes them to watch Netflix content.

1413
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 2: It's this thing. It's like, I can't commit to something

1414
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 2: that's actually high quality, but I also don't want to

1415
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 2: just you know, stare at a wall. So I guess

1416
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 2: I might as well watch the de Camerons staring zash Mamma.

1417
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: The de Cameron. I've never heard that word.

1418
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's weird, it's weird. I'm in my

1419
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: middle brow period.

1420
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: Cool. Yeah, I guess I'm sort of in a not

1421
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: consuming anything period totally. I guess I'm consuming couples therapy, music, music.

1422
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm I actually have pop music, couples therapy, yeah, and Survivor.

1423
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: That's all I watch.

1424
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 2: Hmmm.

1425
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. In my big fat Greek wedding apparently, of course

1426
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: what you hate it? It did. I'm glad I watched

1427
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: it to prepare.

1428
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 2: Like I was, like, I love the idea that you're

1429
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 2: watching it to prepare.

1430
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, you know, yeah, I'm I'm I'm expecting

1431
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: I'm demanding some some Greek isms.

1432
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 2: There is gonna be some Greek isms. I mean, unfortunately

1433
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 2: there's you know, because it's far away. I you know,

1434
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 2: I think the total number of people from Greece are

1435
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 2: it's like ten people. Like, it's not gonna be this

1436
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 2: like huge Greek celebration, but they're gonna more than you know,

1437
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 2: carry their weight. Is that the expression?

1438
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 1: Sure?

1439
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 2: Okay, that works? Okay, no, what is it?

1440
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: Weight?

1441
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 2: They're gonna pull their weight.

1442
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: They're gonna pull their weight.

1443
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 2: They're gonna make a splash if I can better.

1444
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're better. I was told I was getting the

1445
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: Greek experience.

1446
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 2: No, you'll get the Greek experience. You'll get the Greek experience.

1447
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: All right, should we like wrap up?

1448
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think we sound no, you know what it

1449
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 2: is is. I'm I really loved that. In our season finale,

1450
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 2: we did sort of a little planning and did a

1451
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 2: fun episode that was like conceptual. Remember we had topics

1452
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 2: and we went back and forth, and there's a part

1453
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 2: of me that's like, on the one hand, I love

1454
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 2: how loose Thiss was and I'm upset and I think

1455
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 2: it's like exactly what we need to usher in Plateau

1456
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 2: Girl Fall. But I don't. But you know, I don't

1457
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 2: want anyone to think like, oh, they're coasting, because we're not.

1458
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 2: We have amazing guests planned. This is gonna be the

1459
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 2: best than ever and straight Owip has never been stronger. Yes,

1460
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 2: State of the Union, State of the Union.

1461
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: We are. Our defenses are up higher than they've ever been.

1462
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: We have the strongest Danity Kane in the globe. We

1463
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: are ready to fucking kill it this season.

1464
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 2: Don't you feel like I do feel a bit like

1465
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 2: the podcast is in it's like adult like I feel

1466
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 2: in control in a nice way. Yeah, I don't feel

1467
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 2: like we have something to prove and I actually feel

1468
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 2: confident being like this is what we are, this is

1469
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 2: what we're not. I'm gonna say no to this. I

1470
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 2: want to say yes to this. We'll see you at

1471
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden.

1472
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Can we perform Madison Square Garden? Yeah?

1473
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 2: I would love that.

1474
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: I know that would be so fun. You know, a

1475
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: venue like that has a green room that you can

1476
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 1: get lost in.

1477
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 2: I can't wait for another season.

1478
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: Me too.

1479
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 2: I really am so excited.

1480
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's nice that we loose and.

1481
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 2: No, no, I completely agree. I completely agree. I'm actually

1482
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 2: I almost feel guilty about how much I loved it.

1483
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of cool. As you know, I'm

1484
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: how long Gone pilled?

1485
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 2: And yes, so you're loving how long Gone.

1486
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm I am, And so I'm sort of like, yeah,

1487
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: it's fun to be a.

1488
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 2: Little uh just shoot the shit.

1489
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I actually like, I'm in theory. I would,

1490
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 1: I would. It's not what I should like. But yet

1491
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm listening and I'm like, yep, this is great.

1492
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 2: You know, everyone thinks they can do a chat show,

1493
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 2: and it actually to do it well is very difficult.

1494
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 2: By the way, at some point we're gonna have to

1495
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 2: talk about call her daddy girl.

1496
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: Oh god, I have not listened to that one.

1497
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 2: Well, obviously saying but I just the fact that she

1498
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 2: has become our generations Howard Stern is something that needs

1499
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 2: commenting on. I haven't decided where I stand, but she

1500
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 2: literally is our generations Howard Stern.

1501
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 1: I hate when I find out I'm in a bubble.

1502
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: The moment I think I'm not in a bubble, it

1503
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: is revealed that I'm in a bubble?

1504
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 2: Do you not find Did you not know she was

1505
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 2: that successful?

1506
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: I had no idea she was that successful.

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Speaker 2: She is legitimately the person people go to do interview

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Speaker 2: to do like candid interviews with. I mean, that's why

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Speaker 2: Orna went on it. Orna was on it, Orna was on.

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Speaker 1: It twice twice.

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Speaker 2: And she does this like, you know, she sort of

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Speaker 2: makes people comfortable, celebrities will reveal things there. She is

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Speaker 2: insanely successful, Like they just renewed her contract and it

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Speaker 2: was like millions and millions of dollars. She's literally Howard's

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Speaker 2: Stern fuck. And I've always been like, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I've never really committed to listening, but I've always been

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Speaker 2: like her, you know, sort of arrested development vibes her.

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Speaker 2: And now I'm like, I guess the train has left

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Speaker 2: the station, and if you're not on it, you're getting

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Speaker 2: run over.

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Speaker 1: This this is weird, isn't it weird that podcasting can

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Speaker 1: be so big? Yeah, we're being weird. Okay, now we're

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Speaker 1: being too loose.

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Speaker 2: It's weird the podcasting can be so big and that

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Speaker 2: movies can be so small. So put that in your

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Speaker 2: pipe and smoke it, America.

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Speaker 1: One of the more genius things you've ever said.

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Speaker 2: All Right, well see you next week.

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Speaker 1: Well see you next week. Xoxo.

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Speaker 3: Bye podcast and now want more, Subscribe to our Patreon

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Speaker 2: Slash Stradio lab.

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Speaker 1: And for all our visual learners, free full length video

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Speaker 2: Now get back to work.