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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, and welcome back to Unfiltered, the JBL podcast

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Speaker 1: and iHeartRadio production in partnership with JBL. I am your host,

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Speaker 1: Betty who it's me now. This podcast is a place

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Speaker 1: to minimize the noise and tune into authentic and unfiltered

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Speaker 1: conversations about identity, art, self expression, and so much more.

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Speaker 1: And today's episode I couldn't be more excited about. We

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Speaker 1: have an incredible guest who I think completely encompasses the

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Speaker 1: idea of living authentically and being true to yourself. I

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Speaker 1: am so excited to get to talk to this incredible artist. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I am going to be joined by an insanely successful

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Speaker 1: rising star in the art world, Victor Lengois. Using his

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Speaker 1: bold and vibrant work, he has shared his vision and

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Speaker 1: experiences with the world across numerous mediums, from vibrant paintings

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Speaker 1: and sculptures to killer collabs and NFTs. Victor's work has

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Speaker 1: broken records with Christie auction House and he has gained

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Speaker 1: of his generation. I am so excited to talk to him.

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Speaker 1: I have so many questions. Let's get to know him

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Speaker 1: a little better and hear about his incredible journey. Well,

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Speaker 1: Victor aka Fewocius, I'm so happy that you're here with

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Speaker 1: us today. You have all of these crazy stats under

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Speaker 1: you a belt. At this point, like tell us about

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Speaker 1: where it all started.

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Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of little kids just start

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Speaker 2: drawing because it's just a little kid thing. You get

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Speaker 2: a color and book and crayons. But I loved it.

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Speaker 1: You were just really good. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I would look at other kids and they knew how

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Speaker 2: to stay in the lines, or they're like, obviously, a

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Speaker 2: or I would just pick the wrong colors whatever that means.

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Speaker 2: And as I got older, all the other kids gravitated

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Speaker 2: towards running around the playground and pretending to be fairies

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Speaker 2: and stuff. But I still wanted to keep drawing in

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Speaker 2: the little coloring books. And then also the coloring books

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Speaker 2: have worlds, like you get like a spoder Man coloring

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Speaker 2: it kind of where it all began. Yeah, like you're

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Speaker 2: in this world of different creative universes, whether it be

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. You work with a bunch of different mediums, right,

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Speaker 1: what mediums do you love to work with? Where did

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Speaker 1: you start? And like, how did you end up where

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Speaker 2: So I started first coloring books, then drawing, then painting

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Speaker 2: a little bit. But then my parents will be like,

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Speaker 2: So then I went back to drawing and I was like, hey, Grandpa,

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Speaker 2: can you get me more color pencils? And he's like, no,

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Speaker 2: they're expensive. I can't just keep buying you art supplies.

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Speaker 2: And I was like that that makes sense. Well, now

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Speaker 2: what do I do? And I found the world of

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Speaker 3: Oh sick?

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Speaker 2: And now there's iPads where you can just download an

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Speaker 2: app for like eight dollars and the Apple pencils great.

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Speaker 2: But when I got into digital art, there wasn't the

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Speaker 2: cool iPads where it's really nice.

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Speaker 1: Totally.

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Speaker 2: When I started, you get it's like a black plastic

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Speaker 2: on the black plastic thing. But looking at a screen

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Speaker 2: in front of you and it's very does not hit

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Speaker 2: your brain. Right, You're like, I'm drawing on this thing,

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Speaker 2: but I can't see it. It's really weird. But uh

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Speaker 2: I started doing that, and that opened my eyes to oh,

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Speaker 2: infinite colors that I don't have to pay for. I

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Speaker 3: It is. Yeah, I could just make my own worlds.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, I'll watch YouTube videos and it's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: So then it's like everything. I like all the medias.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. You have a really crazy story that I

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Speaker 1: want to kind of maybe hear in your own words.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the Christie's auction.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I feel like a lot of people don't

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Speaker 2: even know what Christie's is. Like, honestly, I didn't know

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Speaker 1: It's like, I mean it's a massive auction house, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's like, incredible art goes through this place and they.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the kind of thing where like if

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Speaker 2: a Christie's or a Sotheby's. Yeah, so Christie's is a

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Speaker 2: big deal for an artist if they get in. And

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Speaker 2: before I got into Christie's, digital art piece that was

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Speaker 2: for sixty nine million dollars, so crazy, And that was

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Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, Christie's message.

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Speaker 2: With that, like they like are I thought they would

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Speaker 2: laugh in my face or something. So I was talking

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Speaker 2: to my manager and he was like, by the way,

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Speaker 2: like that sixty nine million was crazy.

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Speaker 3: Have you talked to Christie's before? And I was like, no,

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Speaker 2: You could just talk to Christie's like the biggest auction

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Speaker 2: house in the world. I didn't know they're accessible like that.

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Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, their emails on their website. I'm just

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Speaker 1: So sick. It's so indicative though, of your talent, right

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Speaker 1: It's like the email's literally on the website. Anybody can

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Speaker 1: email Christie's and be like, hey, I have aught like

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Speaker 1: it literally have public information. It's available. And the fact

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Speaker 1: that they replied and were like sick, yes, please, is

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Speaker 1: so crazy and so cool, and how you were really young?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: How old are you? Seventeen? I was eighteen, and how

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh, this has just happened. Still basically yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's okay. So Christie's emails you back. They're like, yes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, yeah, you're so cool, like people is

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Speaker 2: an older artist and the whole thing that he sold

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Speaker 2: was years of like his art in one big piece

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Speaker 3: And they were like, we think it's really cool. I

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Speaker 3: just did him. You're so young, Like it's this cool

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Speaker 1: Opposition, new person coming up. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so we get in a meeting and there's a

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Speaker 2: moment where my manager we're talking about life. We just

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Speaker 2: got connected. So my relationship with him was new, and

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Speaker 2: he was like, I was looking at your Instagram, just

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Speaker 2: and I saw that your earlier art you signed it

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Speaker 2: Victoria and not Victor. And I've never talked about this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who's that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was so involved in like being eighteen, moved

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, like I am chrans, Like

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Speaker 2: I've never talked about this, and he was like, if

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Speaker 2: He was like, if you don't want to, we don't

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Speaker 2: have to talk about that to the public, Like that

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Speaker 2: can be your own, you know, your own journey. And

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Speaker 2: I was like, no, You're so right. Like I grew

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Speaker 2: and the ones that I did see and like ad

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Speaker 3: It gave me hope to be alive, honestly.

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Speaker 2: And it was this moment on the phone with him

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Speaker 2: where my brain clicked and I was like, Yeah, this

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Speaker 2: Christie sale is gonna be about I'm gonna officially come out. Literally,

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Speaker 2: the auction title for my piece was Hello, my name

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Speaker 2: is Victor.

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Speaker 1: I just got Chris bumps all over my body. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I'm so happy for you. I'm so proud

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Speaker 1: of you. That's so cool. Thank you, And then they

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Speaker 1: put you in the auction and then you had this

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Speaker 1: like so it's like a record breaking auction. It's really crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So it was five lots, so five different paintings that

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Speaker 2: all online. So my heart's racing. The auction opens, Me

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Speaker 2: oh my good, it's open. And then the site crashes.

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Speaker 1: Because you're so lit and everybody's so obsessed with you

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Speaker 1: and wants your art so bad.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and we're like, what Christie's can crash?

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Speaker 3: Everyone's freaking out. They're like, whoa, Like y'all care about

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Speaker 2: Like that?

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Speaker 3: My tour is blown up. It was crazy.

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Speaker 2: And then the traditional art world people that don't even

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Speaker 2: We're really confused.

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Speaker 3: They were like, what you crash the website?

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Speaker 2: WHOA?

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Speaker 3: How'd you do that?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: And so it's all of the art that you made

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Speaker 1: for the Christie's auction particularly, is all of that exclusively

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Speaker 1: digital or was it mixed media? Is It's like, I

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Speaker 1: know that something that you have done in the past

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Speaker 1: is working with physical art. And then NFTs and sort

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Speaker 1: of trying to combine stuff like what's your for the

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Speaker 1: Christie's one? What medium was it?

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Speaker 2: So the original pitch was just all digital art, but

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Speaker 2: I was like, nah, I want there to be more.

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Speaker 2: So the main point of the sale was the digital

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Speaker 2: art piece, but then I was like, if you win

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Speaker 2: the digital art piece, you also get a painting that's

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Speaker 2: inspired by that year of my life. So basically how

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Speaker 2: the sale worked is it was years of my life

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Speaker 2: fourteen to eighteen, and so year fourteen the digital piece

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Speaker 2: was my reflection now at that time, and then the

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Speaker 2: physical piece. I made it so that it's just all

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Speaker 2: my thoughts at that time.

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Speaker 1: Like it's like physical versus kind of emotional.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the.

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Speaker 2: Physical one would say like I feel hopeless, and then

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Speaker 2: the digital one would say if only you knew how

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Speaker 2: life could change.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love that.

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Speaker 2: So it's like me hugging my past self in the

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Speaker 2: digital version.

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Speaker 1: It sounds obviously like you've really found yourself professionally. You've

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Speaker 1: definitely had this moment of recognition and a taste of

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Speaker 1: success in this really in a large, like serious way.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel more confident because you've had this sort

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Speaker 1: of like external validation or are you just like that

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Speaker 1: thing happened, wasn't that crazy. I'm still just trying to

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Speaker 1: figure it out. You know, I think probably both, but

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Speaker 1: I want to hear it kind of how you feel.

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Speaker 2: So the Christie's all the five pieces of the Christie sell.

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Speaker 2: The total was like eight hundred thousand dollars, like all

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Speaker 2: of it added amazing, and you know, I've never seen

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Speaker 1: I think your instincts are really right, you know what

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I had it so figured out, even

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Speaker 1: you to yourself ten years ago You're like I had

441
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Speaker 1: it so figured out back then. It's like if you

442
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Speaker 1: asked yourself two years ago, you'd be like, no, I

443
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Speaker 1: don't you know? Yeah a million percent. Okay, you're amazing.

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Speaker 1: I have a couple more questions for you. I like,

445
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Speaker 1: I just I never want to let you go because

446
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 1: I could talk to you forever. I really want to know.

447
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Speaker 1: I feel like you're so confident. That's my perception of you.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I feel real confident.

449
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Speaker 1: Yes, this is what we love to see because people

450
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Speaker 1: sometimes they're like, you're so confident and then like I'm

451
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Speaker 1: really faking it today, Like please, So I love that

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Speaker 1: you're like, yes, I'm confident. I'm here. Were you sort

453
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Speaker 1: of always born a little bit with that, like yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm confident, like this is part of my personality or

455
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Speaker 1: did you have to really develop it and kind of

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Speaker 1: have you arrived somewhere that now you've like I did

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Speaker 1: all this work to get here.

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Speaker 3: All right, I'm about to be so honest.

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Speaker 1: So honest and obsessed. You're safe with me?

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I always felt very confident, but my family was really

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Speaker 2: mean and abusive to me and like would always push

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Speaker 2: me down. But I always it was just like what

464
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Speaker 2: I make is dope, or like I'll like draw a

465
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Speaker 2: little like smiley face. I'm like, this is the coolest

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Speaker 2: smiley face ever. And not not even that I'm better

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Speaker 2: than anyone, but like I'm just the best me for

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Speaker 2: me right now.

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Speaker 1: When you're celebrating yourself, it is not taking away from

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Speaker 1: anybody else. And I'm very believable you can say I'm

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Speaker 1: dope and not be like I'm I'm not saying I'm

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Speaker 1: better than anybody. I didn't say that. I'm saying I

473
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Speaker 1: think I'm awesome.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, so like I always felt that, But then my

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Speaker 2: family wasn't giving me that energy, so I was starting

476
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Speaker 2: to feel like a little bit crazy.

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Speaker 3: I was like, but I think what I'm.

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Speaker 2: Doing is cool, Like my art is cool, like I've

479
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Speaker 2: never seen nothing like it, and it's just so vibrant.

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Speaker 3: White is all the painting's beige. I want to see white,

481
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Speaker 3: blue and red. And my parents would be like, no,

482
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Speaker 3: it shouldn't be red, it should be realism. Why are

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Speaker 3: you doing abstract art?

484
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Speaker 2: And I was like, cause it's cool, Like I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I've always felt that.

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Speaker 1: Because I feel it, Yeah, you feel it's odd, like

487
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Speaker 1: it's coming from inside of you. I feel that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I've alway always felt then, and there

489
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Speaker 2: are things I've had to work on. But I was

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Speaker 2: talking to my therapist the other day and I was

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Speaker 2: telling her about my anxieties in like personal life and

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Speaker 2: nothing even having to do with art. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how to tell her that I feel nervous to talk

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Speaker 2: to people sometimes.

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Speaker 3: So I was like, I told her, when I'm painting,

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Speaker 3: feel I don't feel nervous at all. I feel like

497
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Speaker 3: I'm flying.

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Speaker 2: I can just do anything, and even if it doesn't

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Speaker 2: look good or the story isn't right and I'm frustrated,

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Speaker 2: I don't feel less confident. I just know that I'm

501
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Speaker 2: like I can be better and I want to make

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Speaker 2: it better. And she was like, what is that feeling

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Speaker 2: when you're painting? Like you should channel that.

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Speaker 3: When you're talking to people. You should channel that in

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Speaker 3: your personal life too, And I was.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, I can do this anywhere. Yeah, Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: That's a good therapist. And that sounds like maybe that

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Speaker 1: has a lot to do with this place that you're

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Speaker 1: at in your life where you're feeling really confident and

510
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Speaker 1: really happy, like finding the way that you feel that's

511
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Speaker 1: so special and so cool. Okay, well, I always have

512
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Speaker 1: believed that, like queerness is magic, like queer people are joy.

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Speaker 1: I think that, Like just what you said made me

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Speaker 1: think about how like the world is so beige and

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Speaker 1: queer people in so many ways, people who are different,

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Speaker 1: people who are other are the colors are the bright

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Speaker 1: blue and the red and the vibrance, Like do you

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Speaker 1: feel like your aught is really kind of like loud

519
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Speaker 1: and colorful because you're sort of representing this part of

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Speaker 1: yourself that is that sort of otherness. Do you feel

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Speaker 1: like you're is there any kind of purposefulness as far

522
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Speaker 1: as it tying into your queerness and being yourself and

523
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Speaker 1: being like, I'm different and I don't see the world

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Speaker 1: in the same way as everybody else. In my aunt

525
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Speaker 1: has to reflect that, like I don't want to put

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Speaker 1: words in your mouth, I want to know how you feel.

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Speaker 3: It's so interesting that you say that.

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Speaker 2: I think being queer gave me like just a different

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Speaker 2: lens on the world, seeing like, oh, why do y'all

530
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Speaker 2: do it this way?

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Speaker 3: Like why why do you feel this way?

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Speaker 2: And then it's like I think sometimes I'll paint something

533
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Speaker 2: not even thinking about being queer and then I'll look

534
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Speaker 2: at it and be like, oh, like this it's very

535
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 2: clear and like has so many other meanings, and it's

536
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Speaker 2: just so funny.

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Speaker 3: What you said is right.

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Speaker 1: I think it's so cool. It's like you're I can

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Speaker 1: see I mean when I look at your art, I

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Speaker 1: can feel that sort of exactly what you said is

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Speaker 1: so correct and is so special where you're like, why

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Speaker 1: is the world beige? I see it differently, and I

543
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: just want it to be better. And art is supposed

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Speaker 1: to reflect the world that you want to see, sometimes

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Speaker 1: not necessarily the world as it is. And so you're

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00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: taking this beige world around you of not being supported,

547
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Speaker 1: dealing with abuse, and feeling like you can't can't be yourself,

548
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Speaker 1: and so you're making this aught that's so in opposition

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Speaker 1: to that that is so you and is and having

550
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: these feelings of like should I change, and then you're like, no,

551
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Speaker 1: I have to be myself twice as hot. It's like

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Speaker 1: You're on this such a beautiful journey and you are

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Speaker 1: the absolute perfect artist for us to have here on

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Speaker 1: this podcast that is literally exclusively about being yourself and

555
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Speaker 1: being authentic. I'm so I'm leaving this conversation feeling so

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Speaker 1: inspired by you. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so glad. I think there's some about here art.

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Speaker 2: Even if it's a really sad song or the happiest song,

559
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Speaker 2: like whatever it is, you listen and you can if

560
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: you just feel that they felt that it transcends no

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00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: matter how technically good or how simple the song is,

562
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Speaker 2: like you just feel it.

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Speaker 3: It like goes beyond anything.

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Speaker 1: So amazing. It also goes to show how connected we

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Speaker 1: all are, right, Like all of the stuff that you're

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Speaker 1: talking about, I'm like, I know, I literally know exactly

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Speaker 1: what you mean. And it's just because I'm a creative

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Speaker 1: person and I'm an autist and we're all going through

569
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: so much of the same stuff all the time. But

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Speaker 1: it feels like we so often feel like we're so different,

571
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Speaker 1: and like there's a lot that's different between you and me,

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Speaker 1: first of all, being you know, the ten year age

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Speaker 1: gap a minute, you know, it's like we have a

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Speaker 1: very different life in all of these ways. But it's

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Speaker 1: like I totally feel like I see you and can

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Speaker 1: meet you where you're at and understand what you're talking about,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, because we're all we're all connected,

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Speaker 1: and art is a huge part of what does that?

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Speaker 1: So thank you for being so candid and honest and

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Speaker 1: sharing yourself with me today, Victor. I'm so I'm so

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Speaker 1: blessed to be here with you too. It has to

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Speaker 1: be stressed, babe.

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Speaker 2: I'm just happy to be here. This is nice talking

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Speaker 2: about art with people. I'm always by myself drawn, so

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00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, you make art.

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Speaker 3: Too, Oh cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, I love your work and I'm so grateful that

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Speaker 1: we got to spend a little bit of time. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being yourself. We're so lucky to

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Speaker 1: have you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I want to say thank you the Victor again for

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Speaker 1: joining me today. The way he is changing the art

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Speaker 1: game is no joke. It really goes to show how

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Speaker 1: our experiences and self expression can resonate far beyond our

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00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: own world. Victor's maturity and thoughtfulness and spirit really really

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00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: resonated with me today, and I'm so grateful to be

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Speaker 1: sharing this experience with you.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 1: That's it for today's episode, But join me again next

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Speaker 1: week when we talk about wait for it, the art

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Speaker 1: of drag. Oh yes, it's gonna be a good one,

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Speaker 1: So don't forget to join in on the conversation. I

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Speaker 1: want to hear from you and know what you think

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Speaker 1: of the podcast. Who do you think we should have

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Speaker 1: on the show, How have you been using your creativity?

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Speaker 1: Share your thoughts with me on socials or leave a

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Speaker 1: rating and review for the podcast. Wherever you're listening, you

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Speaker 1: and on TikTok and YouTube at Betty Who Music. Until

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Speaker 1: next Time Unfiltered. The JBL podcast is produced by iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: in partnership with JBL. Our show is hosted by me

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Speaker 1: Betty Who. Our executive producer is Molly Sosha. Our EP

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Speaker 1: of Post Production is Matt Stillo. Our editor is Sierra Spreen.

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Speaker 1: This episode was written and produced by Sierra Kaiser. Special

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Speaker 1: thanks to our friends at JBL Initiative and Donna