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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease. Cult mom Laurie Valo. Oh wait,

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Speaker 1: did you think that was over when she got convicted

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Speaker 1: in the murders of her two children, Tyleie aged sixteen

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Speaker 1: and JJH seven. No, no, remember the children's bodies that

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Speaker 1: were found. JJ was basically hermetically sealed and almost perfect condition.

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Speaker 1: Tyleie had been eviscerated, horribly, horribly dismembered. Yes, she was

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Speaker 1: convinced that she did not get the death penalty, but

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Speaker 1: her cases are not over yet. Does the name Charles

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Speaker 1: Valo ring a bell? He's one of the mean dead

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Speaker 1: bodies connected to cult mom Laurie Valo. I, Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven.

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Speaker 1: Charles Valo I believe gunned down in cold blood at

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Speaker 1: the behest. I believe of cult mom Lorie Valo after

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Speaker 1: she lured him to the location. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: let me jog your memory. Listen.

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Speaker 2: In the fight with my brother in lawn, I shot

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Speaker 2: him until.

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Speaker 1: The tenth Hey, good breathing.

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Speaker 3: I can't tell.

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Speaker 1: Are you learning? Are you willing to go over to

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Speaker 1: him and check?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's blood.

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Speaker 6: He's not moving.

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Speaker 1: He's pretty nonchalant, like a daisical. Ah, yeah, there's blood,

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Speaker 1: he's not moving. Listen to more.

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Speaker 3: I turned around and he hit me in the back

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Speaker 3: of the head.

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Speaker 1: Of the bathroom.

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Speaker 7: So I went to my room and got my gun.

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Speaker 6: So, Harriet, you went to your room.

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Speaker 1: You're staying.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, you brought your bride a gun with you?

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Speaker 3: Do you always get bring a gun? I don't consumer carryology.

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Speaker 8: Okay, Hi, who are you?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Just stand all different, just a segregation.

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Speaker 9: And then uh.

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Speaker 3: I told him to put the bat down and he wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Then he came outpy to get him wipe to show.

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Speaker 8: Up his walk.

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Speaker 10: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't sound upset at all. And there is a

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Speaker 1: legal theory called cooling off period number one. I don't

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Speaker 1: believe that Lauri Valo called Ma Laurie Vello's brother Alex Cox,

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Speaker 1: was ever hit with a bat. I don't think that's true.

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Speaker 1: But even so he goes into the house and comes

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Speaker 1: back with a gun. That's called a cooling off period.

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Speaker 1: This turns into not self defense but murder. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: not over yet. And remember Laurie Valo is there at

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Speaker 1: the time her ex husband, her husband, Charles Valo, is

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Speaker 1: gunned down dead by her brother. This is all her maneuvering. Listen,

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Speaker 1: So you told him to put the yes, So where

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Speaker 1: are you at? And I know where are you at?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 1: Did you stay in your bedroom?

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Speaker 4: No? Okay? Why did you stay just in your bedroom?

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Speaker 1: Closed the door?

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Speaker 3: Is that some of you.

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Speaker 11: Can think about it or didn't even heard of me?

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Speaker 1: So walk me through it. So you go back in

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Speaker 6: So I just went back to the liver or like,

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Speaker 6: what is your problem with the gun again?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: And I said I want you to put that back down,

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Speaker 3: and he wouldn't do it. He's like you.

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Speaker 7: And he came at me with bat again after you're

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Speaker 7: already hitting out head. So nice time him to stop him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't believe that for one minute, standing by

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Speaker 1: egging the whole murder on Colt Mom Lorie Valo. Guys, again,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know right now. But first to the news

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Speaker 1: director of the East Idaho News dot Com, who has

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Speaker 1: been about three inches of Colet Mom's Lori Valo's tail

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Speaker 1: pipe since the get go before her children were ever found.

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Speaker 1: He smelled a rat chaser all the way to Hawaii

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Speaker 1: and back in an effort to find JJ in Tyly.

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Speaker 1: Now we're onto another murder. Nate eaton joining us. Nate,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What happened to Charles Valow?

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Speaker 4: Charles Valo went over to pick up his son JJ

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Speaker 4: to take him to school. It was July of twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 4: that he got into some sort of argument with Alex Cox.

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Speaker 4: Laurie's brother, Tylee was there. JJ was there, Laurie was there.

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Speaker 1: Oh darn all the other witnesses are dead. Alex Cox

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Speaker 1: think I'm taking her word for anything? She told me

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Speaker 4: So that's when Alex Cox says that Charles, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 4: came after with a bat. And now remember Nancy, Charles

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Speaker 4: was an athlete. Charles played baseball. He's not going to

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Speaker 4: with a bat and that's when Alex said, in self defense,

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Speaker 4: he had to get a gun. He shot Charles. It

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Speaker 4: came out though later in court that Charles was not

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Speaker 4: just shot. Once Charles was shot when he was lying

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Speaker 4: son JJ, went to Burger King.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what what white, white white did you just say?

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Speaker 1: After his father is gun down in front of him,

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Speaker 1: they go celebrate at Burger King. And didn't they go

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Speaker 1: buy flip flops or something at Walmart or Costco?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Walgreens. They stopped by Walgreens and got a pair

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Speaker 4: of flip flops. Then she dropped JJ off at school

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Speaker 4: seen that video where she's kind of laughing and saying

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Speaker 4: interrogating her and investigating the death of her husband.

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Speaker 1: Does your husband live there? No? Gotcha?

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Speaker 3: Gotcha?

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Speaker 1: How long have you guys lived there?

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Speaker 8: How long have you lived here? Three weeks?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Jeez? Yeah, okay, gotcha?

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Speaker 13: Like, hi, neighbor, Sorry, are.

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Speaker 1: You working it?

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Speaker 9: All I know.

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Speaker 7: Okay, and you're still about five six twenty start when.

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Speaker 4: You think it makes a little sense.

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Speaker 4: That's a great question.

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Speaker 1: Well, so we moved into this house three weeks ago

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Speaker 1: because he offered to get me a house here where

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Speaker 6: So we were in Houston.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing coult Mom Laurie Valo speaking guys. Charles vale

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Speaker 1: just one of the many bodies, dead bodies connected to

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Speaker 1: call Mom Laurie Valo. And now she has taken to

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Speaker 1: a new jurisdiction to answer up on those charges. But

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Speaker 1: that's not all as it relates to Charles Valow. Their

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Speaker 1: problems go way back before she saw to it that

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Speaker 1: he was shot dead. Take a listen to bodycam footage

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Speaker 1: of cops talking to Charles Valo on an earlier occasion.

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Speaker 3: So what's going on tonight?

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Speaker 4: I can't get in touch with on this of kids?

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Speaker 1: How old are your kids?

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Speaker 12: Six and a half and sixteenth?

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Speaker 3: How long have you been trying? Two days? Okay?

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Speaker 12: But she she's lost her mind out of the house

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Speaker 12: to say it, we're lds. She thinks she's a resurrected.

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Speaker 14: Being in a god And remember one hundred and forty

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Speaker 14: four thousand. She's come to Jesus is coming next year.

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Speaker 14: She took all the money out of her bank account.

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Speaker 1: Today you're here the voice. I've now murdered Charles Valo

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Speaker 1: on a previous occasion, he's trying to get his son

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Speaker 1: and can't find him anywhere, and he's talking to cops

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Speaker 12: My truck has gone from the report.

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Speaker 4: She went to the airport and got it.

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Speaker 14: I just lew in from Houston from Dallas.

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Speaker 3: You stand out.

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Speaker 4: So the truck I don't know, a.

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Speaker 3: Good friend of mine.

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Speaker 14: Truck had picked me up.

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Speaker 12: I went to the CSI to follow report, which is good?

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Speaker 12: Here any bridges or something?

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Speaker 3: Final report?

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Speaker 8: So you did you did? You did the petition the

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Speaker 1: What time did you do?

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Speaker 3: Do that have real?

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Speaker 3: So what makes her a danger to herself? And two

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Speaker 3: others threatened me? Murdered me, kill me.

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Speaker 1: She threatened to murder you. Yes, joining me right now

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Speaker 1: is Rex Connor. This is called mom. Lori Valo Dave

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Speaker 1: Bail's uncle, host of a podcast, Silver Linings, and author

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Speaker 1: of an incredible book, Laurie's Lies and Family Ties, Healing

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Speaker 1: from the Tiley and JJ tragedy. Rex Connor, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. When I hear Charles Valo speaking,

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Speaker 1: it's heartbreaking. He's telling the cops she's threatened to kill me.

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Speaker 3: It is heartbreaking. No one can hear that and just

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Speaker 1: As it stands right now, Nate Eaton joining us from

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Speaker 1: East Idaho News dot Com with the new murder charges

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Speaker 1: regarding the Charles Valo murder. Is she facing the death penalty.

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Speaker 4: At this point? Prosecutors have not said that because it's

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Speaker 4: a conspiracy to commit murder charge. As of now, it's not.

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Speaker 4: But remember, Nancy, it's not just one charge, it's two

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Speaker 4: for the conspiracy to commit the murder of her nephew

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Speaker 1: The nephew is still alive. F YI. Update, you don't

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Speaker 1: get the DP if the victim is still alive. The

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Speaker 1: they charge her correctly with murder one, not just conspiracy,

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Speaker 1: and pursue the death builty time stories with Nancy Greece

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Speaker 1: Bank to you, Rex Connor, She's been threatening to kill

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Speaker 1: him forever. As she did it, she was there, she

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Speaker 1: arranged it, She lured him there to pick up JJ

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Speaker 1: and now he's dead. He told cops, she wants to

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Speaker 1: kill me. What is the problem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's up to the prosecutors. We just you know,

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Speaker 3: we want justice and we want the most amount of

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Speaker 3: justice you can get in this life. So I personally

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Speaker 3: had that feeling. I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 1: Rich Robertson is joining us Arizona based private investigator for

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Speaker 1: Brandon Boudreau and the Woodcock family. He owns R three Investigations.

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Speaker 1: You can find him at our three Investigations dot com.

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Speaker 1: Rich Robertson your client Boodreau. He was shot at by

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Speaker 1: this gang headed up by Laurie Valo. Listen.

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Speaker 15: Brandon Boudreau calls nine to one one reporting that someone

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Speaker 15: shot at his car as he drove into his neighborhood.

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Speaker 15: He believes Laurie's brother Alex was the trigger man. Boudreau

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Speaker 15: had been married to Valodabell's niece, Melanie Pilowski, but after

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Speaker 15: they divorced, Valodabell believed Boudreau, like her ex husband Charles,

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Speaker 15: was controlled by a dark spirit, and according to Valodabell,

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Speaker 15: is to kill it.

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Speaker 1: Rich Robertson, what do you.

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Speaker 1: Guys, you're here, Richard Robertson, high profile private investigator based

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Speaker 1: I bet she schooled you on defense defense attorneying, author

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Speaker 1: of trapped with ms arias on Amazon Kirk Nurmi lightning

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Speaker 2: Oh, there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Laurie who threatened to kill Charles Valie, Glorie, anybody else.

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Speaker 3: Not that I know of.

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Speaker 1: Who's home Laurie's and who was there when he was murdered?

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Speaker 2: Laurie, jadej Tylie and Alex Cox.

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Speaker 1: Question to you, since she's the only one that would

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Speaker 2: You know, is she starting the conspiracy subsection now which

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Speaker 1: Are you telling me, Kirk and Ermie, after representing Jody

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not telling you that I did. I'm telling

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Speaker 1: Well they need to reopen that because she's standing by

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Speaker 3: He's had kind of a brother from me and Imi.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she think she's married to Morowner in the past.

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Speaker 1: At the top of the temple, angel Angel l gsrobation and.

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Speaker 16: She knows when the second Coming is happening next year.

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Speaker 1: He knows that she knows.

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Speaker 16: She knows about it. She bes a borrowing on Jesus

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Speaker 14: I take it over Charles's body, and Charles have been killed.

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Speaker 16: I'm going to kill you.

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Speaker 8: You murdered today or.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow, okay, Nate Aiden. She actually says to Charles Valow,

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Speaker 4: We just know that Charles Valow did raise the warning sign,

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Speaker 1: Here is more of Charles Valo telling cops calemm Laurie

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Speaker 12: She's not here she lost her reality.

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Speaker 4: We've done at a great marriage.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden the last month just blew up.

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Speaker 14: I will kill you because you're not Charles, and nobody

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Speaker 8: Okay, so she she at this point doesn't think you

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Speaker 12: She takes some Nick Schneider. I have no idea the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the marriage was perfect until just recently. What happened?

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Speaker 13: Charles and Lourie Vallo meet and Mary in two thousand

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Speaker 1: To Rex Connor, joining us Laurie Valo's uncle and host

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Speaker 1: of Silver Linings. Tell me your understanding of how call Mom.

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Speaker 3: Well, they were both interested before they met in this

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Speaker 1: Also joining me Rich Robertson Arizona PI for Brandon Bougereau

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Speaker 1: Joining me is doctor Todd Barr, Board certified anatomic clinical

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Speaker 1: Between Doctor Barr, it's great to have you on with us.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Charles Valo. We now know

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Speaker 1: When he looks up and the last thing he sees

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Speaker 1: Could he see that?

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Speaker 11: He definitely could have seen that. I mean if he

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Speaker 1: Chris mcdona, that there is another victim in this case.

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Speaker 1: His name is Brandon Boudreau and it's just an angel

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Speaker 3: Nine one one. Where's your emergency?

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Speaker 1: Someone just shot my window.

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Speaker 2: Ok I'm in the cool station way, but I can

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Speaker 2: see them driving off.

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Speaker 1: Okay, someone shot at your vehicle.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it hit my window, shattered my driver's side window.

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Speaker 10: Okay, when you pulled into the driveway.

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Speaker 2: As I was trying to pull in my driveway, all right,

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Speaker 2: A little up, bruh.

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Speaker 4: They just drove off. I saw him drive off. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Do you know who these people are?

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Speaker 4: I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: I moved into.

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Speaker 4: A new home about a week.

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Speaker 1: Well, we figured out who it was. Chris McDonough, are

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Speaker 1: you surprised that there's yet another intended murder victim?

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Speaker 6: Not at all, Nancy, And in fact, if you listen

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Speaker 6: to that call. Right as we listened to that call,

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Speaker 6: he's saying they them, So there's more than one. And

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Speaker 6: if we take that back to the crime scene in Chandler,

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Speaker 6: the fact that this whole case, in my opinion, I

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Speaker 6: would submit, is going to revolve around a recreation, uh

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Speaker 6: and restructure of that particular crime scene that day because

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Speaker 6: the positioning of the body, the shewcasing, put positioning, the

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Speaker 6: bat positioning, and the corupdi gras potentially through the floor

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Speaker 6: or into the floor, the hat position where you may

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Speaker 6: belong to Charles at the time, all of those things

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Speaker 6: are going to weigh heavily into the not what they said,

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Speaker 6: but what we're seeing. And it's going to turn right

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Speaker 6: into another Murdoch situation where that recreation of that crime

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Speaker 6: scene is going to be critical.

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Speaker 1: Time stories. With Nancy Grace joining me is Rich robertson

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Speaker 1: Arizona p I at R three investigations, the PI for

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Speaker 1: Brandon Budreaux, who was this close to getting murdered orchestrated

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Speaker 1: by Lurie Valo. Question to you, Rich Robertson, why the

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Speaker 1: cult mom Laurie Valo want Brandon dead?

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Speaker 8: Well, that's going to be an interesting question that that's

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Speaker 8: going to come up. I mean, Brandon's wife at the time,

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Speaker 8: Melody is Lorie Valo's niece, and they were She had

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Speaker 8: become part of that group and she was involved in

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Speaker 8: the same belief system and it was creating a lot

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Speaker 8: of family tension. So Brandon was upset that his wife

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Speaker 8: was being sucked down this rabbit hole that Laurie had

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Speaker 8: got her involved in. And it certainly appears that Laurie

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Speaker 8: was helping quote unquote her niece deal with this problem,

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Speaker 8: and her problem was Brandon.

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Speaker 1: Question to you, who do you believe was involved in

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Speaker 1: taking a shot at brandon b drive?

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Speaker 8: Well, I have no doubt it was Alex Cox in

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Speaker 8: the back in the jeep that day. Why Well, all

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Speaker 8: the evidence suggest that all the travel and that was

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Speaker 8: that was going on. I think the evidence is going

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Speaker 8: to show, as I understand what's been collected in this

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Speaker 8: is a lot of electronics communications going on between Alex

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Speaker 8: and Lorie and at the time of the shooting. And

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Speaker 8: I'm sure that there are some cell tower type of

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Speaker 8: records that are going to place Alex at or near

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Speaker 8: that that crime scene. So I think there's there's going

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Speaker 8: to be a lot of corroboration for who was saying

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Speaker 8: what and where they were at the time.

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Speaker 1: And what type of vehicle was the purp driving this.

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Speaker 8: This jeep that he was driving was actually Charles Vallow's vehicle.

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Speaker 8: He had given it to Tyley. It still had Texas

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Speaker 8: plates on it. And after Charles's death in July, the

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Speaker 8: shooting at Brandon occurred in October, and that jeep had

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Speaker 8: been up to Rexburg and then back again, and it

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Speaker 8: was I mean, all this was kind of put together later,

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Speaker 8: but that was the vehicle that Brandon kind of recognized.

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Speaker 8: He saw that vehicle, he was aware of it being Charles,

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Speaker 8: and given the circumstances of what happened to Charles, it

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Speaker 8: certainly raised Brandon's suspicions about who was responsible for this.

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Speaker 15: Listen, Lori Valo davel where's an Orange Maricopa County jail uniform?

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Speaker 15: For her first Arizona court appearance. She says little during

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Speaker 15: the brief arraignment, dating her name and date of birth.

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Speaker 1: When judge asks, the.

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Speaker 15: Court issues a not guilty plea on her behalf. Lori

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Speaker 15: Dabell's Arizona trial. It's set to start April fourth.

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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to our cut five two three America.

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Speaker 1: A county judge addressing cult Mom, Lori vale.

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Speaker 7: Mort, Keith Terry and Dene Souki on behalf of this valo,

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Speaker 7: who's president appearing in custody.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, amamad.

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Speaker 5: You state your puny please, Lori Valodeba and your data

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Speaker 5: birth six twix seventy three.

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Speaker 1: All right, then this is the time set for the

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Speaker 1: not guilty arrayment on each count. We'll start with number six.

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Speaker 1: As to number six, man, you are before the court

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Speaker 1: on countant one, we'll enter a not guilty plea on

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Speaker 1: your behalf.

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Speaker 3: On you ever reading yes, sir so this value valo.

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Speaker 7: You are appearing here on two cases. These are both

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Speaker 7: grand jury wants. What that means is that the grand

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Speaker 7: jury here in Arizona has indicted you on two charges.

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Speaker 7: The first case is CR twenty twenty two zero zero

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Speaker 7: one to two four twosh zero zero one. You're being

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Speaker 7: charged in that case with one kund of conspiracy to

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Speaker 7: commit first degree murder. It is a class one felony

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Speaker 7: committed on October the second of twenty nineteen. The second

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Speaker 7: case is SEE OR twenty twenty one zero zero one

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Speaker 7: seven zero four dash zero zero one. In that case,

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Speaker 7: you're also being charged with one count of conspiracy to

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Speaker 7: commit first degree murder. That is also a Class one felony.

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Speaker 7: That offense allegedly occurred on July eleventh of twenty nineteen. Now,

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Speaker 7: I do have to advise you of your right to

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Speaker 7: have an attorney and the right to remain silent. I

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Speaker 7: will appoint counsel for you. In both cases, have a

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Speaker 7: course date coming up for you called a not guilty

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Speaker 7: arraignment hearing.

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Speaker 1: Nate Aiden, what's the very latest thing cult Mom Laurie

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Speaker 1: Valo's most recent murder case.

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Speaker 4: Well, if she pleaded not guilty, so they have scheduled

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Speaker 4: another hearing, which will happen in a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 4: and they you know, remember in Idaho on there she

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Speaker 4: did not waive her right to speedy trial, so one

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Speaker 4: would assume she will not do the same thing in Arivota.

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Speaker 4: So there could be a trial within the next sixty

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Speaker 4: days or up to I think they have two hundred

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Speaker 4: and seventy days if she doesn't waive her right to

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Speaker 4: a speedy trial, so that that could happen, you know

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Speaker 4: here in the next few months.

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Speaker 1: Listen to more.

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Speaker 8: In both cases, you are.

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Speaker 7: You've been extradited from the state of Arizona. You're currently

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Speaker 7: under the jurisdiction of the Idaho Department of Corrections. That

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Speaker 7: makes you non available at this hearing, so you're not

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Speaker 7: eligible for bailing either case. You do have your court date.

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Speaker 7: You know a lawyer is going to be appointed for you.

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Speaker 7: Do you have any questions?

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Speaker 4: Are those cases going to be combined or are.

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Speaker 8: They going to be done severately?

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Speaker 7: Well, they are two separate cases, but they're going to

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Speaker 7: be handled at the same hearing. Okay, okay, so you

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Speaker 7: can talk to your lawyer. But they are two separate cases,

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Speaker 7: which means that you'd have two separate proceedings going forward

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Speaker 7: if it goes to trial. Okay, okay, any of the

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Speaker 7: questions asel.

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Speaker 8: Just one attorney or more attorneys.

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Speaker 7: Will be a well at this point of time, At

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Speaker 7: this point in time, you're likely going to have the

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Speaker 7: one lawyer represent you at this particular hearing.

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Speaker 1: Granted we're on the outside looking in, but I think

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Speaker 1: it is a grave mistake that the state is not

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Speaker 1: charging her with murder. One. There are so many dead

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Speaker 1: bodies connected to her. She's already convicted in the murders

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Speaker 1: of her son jjhed seven, her daughter Tyley aged sixteen,

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Speaker 1: The murder, the asphyxiation death of Tammy day Bell, who is,

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Speaker 1: of course Chad Dave Bell's previous wife. She had to

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Speaker 1: die so he could marry cultmom Laurie Valo. Now we've

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Speaker 1: got Charles Valo, and I've never been convinced that Joseph

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Speaker 1: Ryan died of natural causes. I don't believe that. I

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Speaker 1: think she killed him too, and by the time they

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Speaker 1: found him, he was so decomposed they just charted it

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Speaker 1: off to a heart problem. Am I the only one

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Speaker 1: that thinks that night Dayton?

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that think she was connected

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Speaker 4: to that death, But as you said, I don't know

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Speaker 4: if we'll ever truly know, because you know, his remains

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Speaker 4: were cremated.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they rushed him straight for a cremation, right.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This may be their last chance to seek the DP

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Speaker 1: on her, and it's getting botched. She's already got life

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Speaker 1: behind bars, but I understand she's filing her appeal on

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Speaker 1: her convictions and the martyrs of JJ and Tyley Listen.

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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo.

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Speaker 15: Dabel and her attorneys are appealing her conviction to the

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Speaker 15: Idaho State Supreme Court. The attorneys have cited sixteen issues

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Speaker 15: on appeal. Included in the amended appeal is questions of

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Speaker 15: whether Laurie was competent to stand trial having spent ten

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Speaker 15: months in a mental hospital, and whether the court aired

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Speaker 15: in denying the defense's expert's request to send Laurie back

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Speaker 15: to the mental facility. The attorneys are also asking for

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Speaker 15: reporter transcripts from thirty five specific days throughout her case.

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Speaker 15: No court d it has yet been set for her appeals.

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Speaker 1: Nate Eyton joining us. Nate, what do you say, right?

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Speaker 4: She did file an appeal, and so that's happening in

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Speaker 4: Idaho as this is unraveling in Arizona. She should she

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Speaker 4: be found guilty in Arizona and sentence to life in prison,

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Speaker 4: they'll return her back to Idaho where she will serve

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Speaker 4: out the sentence. The only way that Arizona would keeper is,

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Speaker 4: as you mentioned, if she was sentenced to death in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Nancy, Yes, jump in.

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Speaker 5: I just want to tell you that the whole time,

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Speaker 5: if you see any pictures of her while all this

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Speaker 5: is going on, she was smiling, she had makeup, she

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Speaker 5: had her here done, totally cool, unaffected laughing. This woman

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Speaker 5: is a psychopath.

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Speaker 1: You're right, Karen Stark, every single time. The only time

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Speaker 1: that she did not appear that way was when photos

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Speaker 1: of JJ and Tyley were going to be seen in

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Speaker 1: court and she didn't want to see it and wanted

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Speaker 1: to leave the courtroom. Didn't she keep her head down

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Speaker 1: that whole time?

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Speaker 4: Nate eaton right, you recalled. That was one of the

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Speaker 4: first days of the trials. She said to the judge.

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Speaker 4: Her attorney said, miss Vaalo would like to be excused,

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Speaker 4: and the judge said, you know, we're not going to let.

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Speaker 1: H E double l n O H. So you did it.

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Speaker 1: You're going to look at it right, Let's see what

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Speaker 1: happens in this case. Goodbye, friends,