1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Garrett Downing. 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm here with Clifton Brown, and today we are joined 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: by two guys who are really important in developing the 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Ravens draft board and end up having a big role 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: with who the Ravens are gonna end up picking this 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: year in the draft. That's our director of college Scouting 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: Andrew Rafael and our assistant director of college Scouting, Joey Cleary. So, guys, 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: thank you so much for the time here at the Combine. 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: Let's start with this. Just how big is this week 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: for you? It a staff as you build out this 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: draft board. 12 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's awesome. It's just another box for 13 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: these guys to check through the process. You know, we 14 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: just got back from all the All Star games and 15 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: draft meetings and now we had in the Combine get 16 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 2: a chance to get around these guys and then move 17 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: into Pro Days in another set of draft meetings. So 18 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: excited to get around the players and the new coaching 19 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: staff and give these guys an opportunity to prove themselves. 20 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: So when you look at this draft class, everyone's always 21 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: interested in the makeup of a class, strengths, weaknesses, how 22 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: it matches up again our needs. So Joey like, when 23 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: you look at this class, what are the things that 24 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: stand out to you when you're going through these early evaluations. 25 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 3: I think it's an interesting year because always every year 26 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 3: starts and ends with the quarterbacks, So this year it 27 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 3: seems like there's a lower amount of those surefire guys 28 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 3: that are going to go in the top ten, and 29 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: how that kind of ripple effects throughout the draft is interesting. 30 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: But I feel like it's a very good draft in 31 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: the middle rounds, and the depth of each position, particularly 32 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: the ones of need, is fun and exciting, so you know, 33 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: it might not have to be in that first round 34 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: and you can still find some really good players at 35 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 3: positions of need that you know are exciting and would 36 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 3: be great additions. 37 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 4: What are some of the specific things you guys are 38 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 4: looking to find out about players this week at the 39 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 4: combine being here with them. 40 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously you have the on field piece where these 41 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: guys are going to do all the testing, all the 42 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: drow work. But then also you know, a chance to 43 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: get around the coaches. This is a great opportunity for 44 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: them to talk football and get these guys in a 45 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: one on one setting, just see what their base foundation is, 46 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: see what they know, see what they can learn in 47 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 2: a short amount of time. Obviously that there's a time 48 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: restriction on it, but just to get a good you know, base, 49 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,839 Speaker 2: you know base layer of Okay, this is what he's 50 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: done for the last few years. This is his understanding 51 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: of you know, offense and defensive scheme, and then you know, 52 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: obviously we've also got a chance to know a lot 53 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: of these guys through the All Star Game circuit. 54 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 5: A good portion of these. 55 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: Guys were either at you know, the American Bowl, the 56 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: East West Shrine, and the Senior Bowl, the Hula Bowl, 57 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: So we've spent some FaceTime with them as a scouting staff. 58 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: But it's also a great opportunity for the coaches to see, Okay, 59 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: is this guy gonna fit well and mesh into the 60 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: position room? How am I going to work with him 61 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: one on one? So it's a great chance for the 62 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 2: coaches to get some FaceTime with these players as well. 63 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: When you look at the classes, going back to the 64 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: composition of the class, where do you think the strengths 65 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: of this draft class are? 66 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 4: Uh? 67 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say the edge class has like a 68 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: like a pretty wide range of players, Like I think 69 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: from top to bottom is pretty deep, different skill sets, 70 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: different guys who you know come in different shapes and sizes, 71 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: Guys that can play on special teams and be like 72 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: your third or fourth outside backer. I think the tight 73 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: end receiver class is similar to where you have various 74 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: skill sets and it. 75 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 5: You know you might find a guy in around one 76 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 5: or two. 77 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: But then I think also late there's some guys that 78 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 2: are pretty intriguing as well. There. 79 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's like Andrew was saying, the shapes 80 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: and sizes, It's like as you get beyond the first round, 81 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: it kind of depends on different teams have different needs, 82 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 3: different styles, So it turns into a little bit of 83 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: like pick your flavor. So where you might need a player, 84 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: the other team might be set. So I think the 85 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 3: depth allows you to be a little bit more specific 86 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: in your targets and kind of narrow your scope a 87 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: little bit. But just in general, as Andrew was saying 88 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: that the depth of some of these positions is is 89 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: exciting and it should be kind of fun to work through. 90 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: As we get the coaches involved, we. 91 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 4: Go out into interview processes, we all know these guys 92 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 4: come in so prep now for what you guys are 93 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 4: going to ask them. So how does that alter how 94 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 4: you guys approach how you interview them. 95 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think just there's no trick questions, right, so 96 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: like you start with a few icebreakers, like just to 97 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: kind of get them like loose and understand like, hey, 98 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: we're not trying to trick you, like, we're not trying 99 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: to make you look silly. We just want to get 100 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: to know you a little bit, and then really let 101 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: the coaches. I mean, if it's a you know, twenty 102 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: minute interview, we might spend the first you know, four 103 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: minutes just throwing some like more softball questions on that 104 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: like at them, just to kind of get them loose 105 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 2: them up. 106 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,679 Speaker 1: It's the same strategy we take on the lounch. 107 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly exactly, and then the coaches jump 108 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: in and really again it's just really just trying to 109 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: see how much football they know. 110 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 5: And then go from there. 111 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: It's cool too. I think our coaches do a great 112 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: job speaking to them or when they speak to the 113 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: players without giving away the tricks in the trade, but 114 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: they'll ask about what other players are doing on the field, 115 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: so not just hey, you prepared for display from this game. 116 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 3: You know, it can be pretty obvious, and I'm sure 117 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: they get asked about the same plays through every interview, 118 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 3: but when you kind of are like, hey, okay, backside, 119 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 3: change the formation or change the coverage. Okay, they go 120 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 3: cover too, how do they adjust? I think it's kind 121 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 3: of understanding that next level of their intelligence and their 122 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 3: understanding of their own scheme and how comfortable we feel 123 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 3: with that translated. 124 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 2: And a lot of the coaches, like have probably coached 125 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: in college and know the scheme and so maybe you know, 126 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 2: they can teach it to them. They probably understand some 127 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: of the different variations where they're offensive defense and like 128 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: what they're being asked. So kind it's a good but 129 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: you know, it's helpful that they have a great understanding 130 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: of like what they're being asked to do, and then 131 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: they can ask it to be coached back to them. 132 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of we shared. We actually just use 133 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: it again this week, but you go back to the 134 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: an episode of Wired that we had last year where 135 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: we shared some of Malchi Stark's interview and he was 136 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: walking through I think that's the one thing that everyone 137 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: focuses on these interviews and thinking that it's almost like 138 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: a trick question thing or silly questions. But it's like, 139 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: as you guys walk through the the you had him 140 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: walk through the scheme, you had him up on the 141 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: TV showing what's happening, and like it was an opportunity 142 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: to just showcase, especially in his in his situation, how 143 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: smart he was and how he knew the defense, and 144 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: that was very evident in that episode of Wire from 145 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: last year. 146 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think there's certain pro like Malachi was 147 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: at an elite level, and I think there's certain you know, 148 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: walking in you kind of have a baseline understanding of like. 149 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 5: What you expect. 150 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 2: I think it's also probably for us, like you kind 151 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: of check your sources a little bit at the school 152 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: because we hear like people tell you, hey, this guy, 153 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: you know, this is kind of what he knows, Like 154 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: they kind of give you an idea of where he's 155 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 2: at and then they sit down and you're like, okay, 156 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: like I was, you know, that was accurate, or maybe 157 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: the coach maybe over sells it. So it's kind of 158 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: a nice way for us to kind of check our 159 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: sources and make sure this guy, this guy was shooting 160 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 2: us straight guy was a league. 161 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 5: He does know it. 162 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: That's good. 163 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: I also find it funny like at the combine we 164 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: all get caught up in who teams meet with? Did 165 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: you meet with this team? That you meet with that team? 166 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: And I've come to find out like every team meets 167 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: with essentially almost every player here in some capacity. So 168 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: tell us about some of those informal interactions beyond just 169 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: the what you get sixty fifteen minute interviews? Is what's 170 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: the number? 171 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: Forty five? 172 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: Forty five? Okay, so you get forty five fifty minute interviews, 173 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: but what's the what are the informal interactions like between 174 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: teams and players. 175 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's changed a little bit over my time 176 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: in the league. Now it's much more organized. It used 177 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 3: to be super chaotic. There's plenty of stories about that, 178 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 3: but no, it's it's just a chance for us to 179 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: talk to as many players as possible. Our coach will 180 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 3: be down there. We have our scouting assistants, our in 181 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: house guys do a great job getting the players, talking 182 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: to the players, bringing them over to the coaches, and 183 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: it kind of gives the coaches an opportunity to run 184 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: their own interview. It's not they don't have the film, 185 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: always getting to know the player a little bit more 186 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 3: on a personal level, which we don't always do in 187 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: the formal interviews, and just a larger number of players 188 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: they try to speak to. And it's also changed a 189 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 3: little bit as well with Zoom and the ability to 190 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: interview players, you know, without being face to face, So 191 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: it's not totally required that they sit down and have 192 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 3: that one on one, but it certainly helps to be there, 193 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: shake their hand, talk to them in person, and kind 194 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: of build their own opinions on their interactions and where 195 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: they think they're at with a lot of different levels. 196 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 2: It's chaotic down there because you have thirty two teams. 197 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: Everyone's got a table. Each team has you know, three 198 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: to four coaches present, and then you have like the 199 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: runners essentially, which are like the personnel assistants helping out 200 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: getting the players for the coaches, and it's everything is 201 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: timed on the clock, so there's a horn you have 202 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: to rotate, so it's kind of loud and chaotic, but 203 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 2: I think for the players it's probably a little bit 204 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: more relaxed because when you walk into the formal interview, 205 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 2: it's like you walk into this suite and it's like 206 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I got you know, I got the 207 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: head coach, I got the GM, I got the coordinator, 208 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: I got Ozzie, I have you know, the support staff, 209 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: and you have all of these kind of people. As 210 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: opposed to the INFEMO, it's probably a little bit looser. 211 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: It's just you and the position coach. Now you're you know, 212 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: obviously the timing standpoint probably makes it tougher because you know, 213 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,599 Speaker 2: you only got about fifteen minutes, But it's probably a 214 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: little bit looser, more relaxed, easier for the player to 215 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: connect with the coach on like a one on one level, 216 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: as opposed to the stress of like walking into this 217 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: major like you know, job interview with all these faces 218 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: on you and the camera there and you got to 219 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: talk film and like, yeah, it's a little less stressful. 220 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: Interesting. 221 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, pass rushers obviously always in focus, and we 222 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 4: know the RAVE is like all teams looking for pass rushers. 223 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 4: You never have too many of my opinions, So just 224 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 4: getting your curious your evaluations of this year's pass rush class. 225 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 4: How strong is it and some of the some of 226 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 4: the guys who might be you know, people who we 227 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 4: need to focus on. 228 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, like we said, I think to me, it's probably 229 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: the standout position as far as just from rounds one 230 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: through seven, I think you're gonna get a lot of 231 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: different sets, a lot of guys, you know, guys that 232 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: can rush inside, rush outside, Guys that can play on teams, 233 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: Guys that can win with speed, that can win with power. 234 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: I think probably in the last few years that I 235 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 2: can think is probably one of the deepest class where 236 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be really good value in every 237 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: round that we'll be able to find. 238 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 5: So it makes it really exciting for us. 239 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: What about on the other side of the ball, offensive line, 240 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of trenches talk. This week, 241 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: Eric talked about it, jesse Mincher talked about it and 242 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: the ability to win that line of scrimmage. What do 243 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: you make of this offensive line class and your confidence 244 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: level and being able to if you end up going 245 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: that route, pick somebody that could come in and potentially 246 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: make an immediate impact. 247 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a I think the immediate impact standard is 248 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 3: is very high. That's it's tough to do. It takes 249 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: a rare player to do that. To come in and 250 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 3: play it's a very very challenging position, especially coming from 251 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: the college game where the scheme might be different, all 252 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 3: those transitions and the verbiage, the you know, different positions, 253 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: different sides, all those changes. For a player to come 254 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 3: in and do that right away is really impressive. So 255 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 3: that's hard to do. I think we have you know, 256 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 3: we're highly confident that we can do that if we 257 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 3: need to. I think our coaches just meeting with coach 258 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: Ledford and coach Flaherty and those guys, like their track 259 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: record and their development, gives us a lot of confidence. 260 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 3: And it's it's hard to do it. I think we're 261 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: we're in a good position to do so. But I 262 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: think like at every level, at every position, you're gonna 263 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: be able to find players in the first few days 264 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: where that's a possibility. I don't think that should be 265 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 3: the expectation. You never want to have that hanging over 266 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: a kid when you draft him. But you know a 267 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 3: lot of these guys are competitive and they expect that, 268 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: so it's great you want that, so it we feel 269 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 3: good about it. I think at the end of the day. 270 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 4: You mentioned the coach Lefford, we know that Ravens have 271 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 4: a new coachings they have which is different of the 272 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 4: amount obviously starting with a head coach that has been 273 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 4: in the how much, if at all, does that impact 274 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 4: how you guys sky as far as messing that with 275 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 4: what the coaching staff is looking for. 276 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think we're always going to be 277 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: looking for like the best player at the time, you know, 278 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: at the time of the pick, and then it'll be 279 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: I mean it's good to learn, you know, the different 280 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: schemes and what they look for, but I mean I 281 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: don't think a lot, like just a lot of it 282 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 2: doesn't change. 283 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 5: Right, You're looking for. 284 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: A big, fast, physical guys who play our brand of football. 285 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 5: Like a lot of that isn't going to change. 286 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: Now, maybe the coaches get a little bit more into 287 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: the weeds that like specifically what they're looking for, but 288 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: I think like grand scheme of things, we're looking for tough, smart, 289 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: physical football players who are relentless, that are passionate, and 290 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: so I mean a lot of the basic standards of 291 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: like what we want to be wearing a Ravens logo 292 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 2: I think is going to stay, you know, pretty much 293 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: the same. 294 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's ongoing with coaches too, just our discussions 295 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 3: with them what they like. But for us, just knowing 296 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: the players, I think that's really important. So when they 297 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 3: start to describe what they're looking for, for us to 298 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 3: just be able to, you know, give them feedback, be like, Okay, 299 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 3: you know, maybe that's not this guy, but this guy's 300 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 3: really good at it. So the grade might you know, 301 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 3: the fit might not be exactly where you saw it 302 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 3: when you were evaluating the fall for a different scheme. 303 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 3: But being able to know your players and describe their 304 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: skill sets so the coaches when they talk to you, 305 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 3: you can spit it right back. They Okay, well this 306 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 3: is what would fit that. I think that's important. 307 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting, like even with the new coaches, just 308 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: all of us, everyone's getting to know these guys. You know, 309 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: it's a new group and it's a whole new process. 310 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: And I'm sure you go through that evaluation and there's 311 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: a a just a familiarity that you're learning with the 312 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: new coaching staff. And you just came out of a 313 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: recent round of draft meetings and I don't remember if 314 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: the coaches are in this round or not. Before you 315 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: get to the combine. I know they get in there 316 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: at some point, but take us inside those meetings. I 317 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: think we all like kind of have a visual of 318 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, we're arguing I want this guy, you want 319 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: that guy? Like what are what happens in these meetings 320 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: behind closed doors? 321 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for the scouts, it's almost like your 322 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 2: super Bowl because I mean and you get to training camp, 323 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: you depart and boom you hit you know, August, you know, 324 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: fall camp running, and you're pretty much on the road 325 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: all through Thanksgiving and then again like the All Star circuit. 326 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: So you're you're able to present all the work you've 327 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: just put in over the fall, like all the time 328 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: you spent away from your family, all the you know, 329 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: the meeting people, talking to sources, time you know, on campus, 330 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: and this is kind of your opportunity to present to 331 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: Eric and the rest of the guys in the room, 332 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: like how you feel about the player, their on field profile, 333 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: their af field profile. What they're like is people we 334 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: talk about the All Star Games, how they did there, 335 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: and it's really like your chance to kind of, you know, 336 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: you know, speak your piece about how you feel, how 337 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: the your vision for how the player is gonna fit. 338 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: So for our staff, I mean, it's it's it's a 339 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: lot of fun. It's what we you know, it's what 340 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: we get paid to do. It's what we're passionate about, 341 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: help build this up and help you. 342 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 5: Know, Eric and Ozzie and and. 343 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: Coach mentor kind of here. You know, you know our 344 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: vision for these guys and how we feel about them. 345 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 5: So it's fun. 346 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a final exam, but you also need 347 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 3: to understand that the process isn't over. So it's a 348 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: huge checkpoint, but it's not the finish line, and there's 349 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 3: so much more information that's going to come into the process. 350 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: It's going to add to the equation with these players. 351 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: But I think it's really important, like Andrew was saying, 352 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 3: for Eric to hear what you said, what you saw 353 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: and why you believe in this player and just really 354 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: present all the work you've done and and just kind 355 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: of put a bow on that from the. 356 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: Fall and the back and forth are fun. I mean, 357 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: everyone's gonna see things different there. Maybe you talk to 358 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: one person that's you know, has a different feel for 359 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: the player than you know, you know, the other scout 360 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: and like good you hash it out. But I mean 361 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: we're a pretty tight knit group and a lot of 362 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 2: us have been together for a while, so it's never 363 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 2: nobody takes it personal like you might you see players different, 364 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: and that's what's great about the profession and the job. 365 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: I mean, if we're if everyone was robotic and seeing 366 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: it exactly the same, like, it just wouldn't be right. 367 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: So you know, there's our staff is excellent and they 368 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: put so much time in to know these guys inside 369 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: and out and do everything they can to make sure 370 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: that Eric feels really good about the class and that 371 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: we're gonna if we don't have the information, we're gonna 372 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: get it. 373 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 5: And yeah, I mean we meetings for me is probably. 374 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: Like outside of draft weekend, probably the most fun, you know, 375 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: I personally have and I. 376 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 5: Feel like a lot of our guys will feel the same. 377 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 3: And you learn a little bit of strategy too, where 378 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: you know, if you're wasting your breath arguing for every 379 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: single player you disagree with guys on, then your your 380 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 3: voice kind of softens as the meetings go on, so 381 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: you know the guys you really feel passionate on or about. 382 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: Eric wants to hear it, and that's important to him. 383 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 3: He just needs to hear someone stand on the table 384 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: or just someone really put their foot down to bey. Hey, 385 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: I think this guy's really good. He would fit us. 386 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 3: That stands out to him. So when he hears those things, 387 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: kind of his ears perk up and he you know, 388 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: those are the players that stand out. 389 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: You also don't know who anybody else in the room 390 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 2: likes or doesn't like, or what Eric's opinion or George 391 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: or Mark's opinion is not a player, or how the 392 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: analytics staff use a player. 393 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 5: So you have to have your like, you know, almost 394 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 5: like a lawyer. 395 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: You got to have a good argument in place to 396 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 2: back up, like, hey, these are the games I watched, 397 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: this is what I have to back this is what 398 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: my sources said to back up your argument. Because you know, 399 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 2: you guys have been around Eric. You're not just going 400 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: to sit in front of him and just you know, 401 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: tell him something like you'll challenge you if there's going 402 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: to be a challenge, So you have to have something 403 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 2: in place to be like, no, this is this is 404 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 2: what I saw. Go back to this specific play, this game, 405 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 2: this conversation I had, and really feel, you know, strongly 406 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: about it. 407 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: It's interesting. I remember back on draft weekend again going 408 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: back to Malachi, there was the moment in the draft room. 409 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 3: Again. 410 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: We featured it on Wired. Little plug for Wired. Make 411 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: sure you're watching those every every throughout the off season. 412 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: But there was the moment right before Eric made the 413 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: call to Malachi where he called you guys over and 414 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: and you were talking about a couple of different players, 415 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: him being one of them and wanted to get your 416 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: pain before making that final decision. What was that moment 417 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: like for you guys, as like, the moment doesn't get 418 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: any bigger than that. You know, this is our first 419 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: round pick, and then there's like the pressure and you're 420 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: kind of doing your final check for him to give 421 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: you that opportunity, that voice, and then also the pressure 422 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: that comes along with that. 423 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was awesome. First of all, I appreciate Eric, 424 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 3: coach Harve's and Steve obviously for bringing us up there 425 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 3: and giving us that platform. But if anything, it taught 426 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 3: me to be prepared because I think it was funny. 427 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 3: It was also an introduction to social media in terms 428 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: of like the draft coverage and because everyone was so 429 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 3: convinced we were talking about just these two players and 430 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 3: it was such a wider scope argument or conversation, I 431 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 3: should say, there were multiple players involved, and it was 432 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 3: it came down to two players sort of if the 433 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,959 Speaker 3: board fell the right way. So there were a lot 434 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 3: of different variables that went into it, but the ability 435 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 3: to just you know, go up there and present what 436 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 3: you've been working on all year was awesome. And it's 437 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 3: it's really, you know, something you dream about doing when 438 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 3: you get into this profession. It's being up there and 439 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 3: having that influence. So it was, it was it was 440 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 3: a special moment for sure. Yeah. 441 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: I mean, like Joey said, just to be able to 442 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: be you know in that you know, in that space 443 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 2: and be able to present almost like a player who 444 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: prepares to the week for a game. Is like we 445 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: had done all that work from you know, the fall 446 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 2: and then you know, you talk about in a meeting, 447 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,239 Speaker 2: so by the time you get to that point, like 448 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 2: you really do feel like conviction in a certain way 449 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 2: about a guy, and then you know, we've seen a 450 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: lot of guys be like put in that spot that 451 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 2: like Joe Ortiz and you know other guys that have 452 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 2: you know, had that opportunity, So you kind of feel 453 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: pretty honored to be like that. You know, we're trusted 454 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: enough that hey, how do you feel in this moment 455 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 2: to help make a decision. 456 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: It's awesome. 457 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 4: The Ravens had a lot of success drafting players who 458 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 4: may have fallen like a little bit farther than people 459 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 4: expected going into the dead, like a Therell Suggs, Kyle Hamilton, 460 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 4: Orlando Brown Junior. Why do you think the Ravens have 461 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 4: been so successful finding guys like that. 462 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of those circumstances. The film 463 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: probably speaks for itself. And then it gets to a 464 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 2: point where maybe the combine or pro day or workout 465 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 2: like didn't maybe go their way. But when you watched 466 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 2: the tape, you knew they were special players. And then 467 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 2: we just got you know, lucky enough that they happen 468 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: to fall to where we were at and it was like, okay, 469 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 2: this is this is great, Like you never expected it, 470 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 2: but it just worked out. They were the best player 471 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: at the time. The tape matched how you know, everybody, 472 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: you know, how we felt. 473 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 5: Then it was like, okay, like this is this is great. 474 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 5: It works out for us. 475 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's important too. It's just another data point. 476 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 3: So like in terms of it's a check box, it's 477 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 3: but they've played, you know, years of games and they've 478 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 3: had a career on the field playing football, so it's 479 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 3: it's easy to look at the most recent thing and 480 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 3: overreact to that, which I'm not saying people do, but 481 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: I feel like in general the media, it's like, oh, 482 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 3: this guy had a bad combine, and I go, did 483 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: he run slower than you expect? Is that it? Because 484 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 3: like everything else was great that we saw, So there's 485 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: little things that can cause an uproar, and I think 486 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 3: it's just really important just not overreact, trust what you've 487 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 3: seen and just go back to you know, your process 488 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 3: and how it plays out, and trust that. 489 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: What about the other way, Is there any combined workouts 490 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: your guys are doing this that like jumped out to 491 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: you that you remember? You think, man, this guy maybe 492 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: he was on our radar, but after the work that 493 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: he put into Indianapolis, he shot up the board or 494 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: we really had to take another look at him. Maybe 495 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: we end up drafting him. Like is there anybody that 496 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: really jumps out in that regard for you? 497 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 5: It's hard to say. 498 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: Just I think it goes both ways, right, I mean, 499 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 2: just like anything. I mean, like like Joey said, I 500 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: think the most important thing is sticking to the process, 501 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: like the full evaluation. And like maybe there was someone 502 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 2: who tested, you know, at a like unexpected level and 503 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 2: then you go back and you kind of revisit, you know, 504 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: maybe the tape you didn't watch, go back to see 505 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 2: you know, rewatch the tape that you had seen, and 506 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: what am I missing? And how can I piece this together? 507 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: What does the pro day you know look like? You know, 508 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: was it the same guy? And just try to piece 509 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: it together. 510 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 5: The best you can. And then when you get to 511 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 5: those late April. 512 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: Meetings, just say speak your pieces. And maybe I was 513 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 2: a little bit low. I ended up watching maybe his 514 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: worst two games of the season. I watch more tape 515 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: and like, just have conversations with staff and be honest 516 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: about what you you know, maybe overlooked or didn't see, 517 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 2: you know, through the fall. 518 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: And then you know, when you guys go through this 519 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: week and you come back from it, what do you 520 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: do with all the information that you got here? Is 521 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: there another round of meetings? Like what's the next step 522 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: in the process from here? 523 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 3: So from here go to pro days and guys who 524 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: maybe didn't tests in every you know, do it, didn't 525 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 3: run a forward to or didn't do the broad certain things, 526 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 3: they'll typically do those testing events. So we'll be there, 527 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 3: we'll watch those, and then we'll come back in with 528 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 3: the coaches and talk about that. So it's again, like 529 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 3: Andrew was saying, it's it can help you kind of 530 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 3: like answer questions, but it can also bring questions up. 531 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 3: But I think it's it's really like does it match 532 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 3: the tape? And if it doesn't, why, Like if if 533 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 3: you didn't think a guy was fast and he doesn't 534 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 3: run fast, it's okay, it's not a double negative. We 535 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: already anticipated that, So just don't. I think it's really 536 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 3: important to just see what you see, trust it, and 537 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 3: don't be afraid to go back and be humble enough 538 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 3: to be like, hey, you know, I need to revisit this. 539 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 3: I think that's important. But yeah, it's pro day's from here. 540 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: Check those boxes, talk to coaches, get their opinions in 541 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 3: the next round of meetings, and just keep it wrolling. 542 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 4: We have a lot of young fans who watch and 543 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 4: listen who trying to figure out what they want to do. 544 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 4: Can you guys just talk about how you got into 545 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 4: this profession and any advice you would give someone who 546 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 4: is thinking that maybe this is something they wanted to 547 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 4: go into. 548 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that early you can get started, like 549 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 2: whatever you know, college program you're at, any you know, 550 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 2: try to get your foot in the door, you know, 551 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 2: any way possible, and like recruiting operations, working with the coaches, 552 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 2: and kind of submerse yourself, you know, with the team, 553 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: and then you know, do your best like job for 554 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 2: those guys, do as much as you can for the staff, 555 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 2: you know, different you know, whether if somebody needs help 556 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 2: with equipment and recruiting, coaching, whatever it is, just do 557 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 2: you know, the best job you can for the program. 558 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: And then as the scouts come in, you know, whether 559 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 2: it's pro days or fall visits, you know, you know, 560 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 2: try to get around those guys, introduce yourself and build 561 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 2: some relationships and then you never really know how it's 562 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 2: going to blossom from there. But I think the earlier, 563 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: like when you're in college or you're about to graduate, 564 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: the more you can do with a program there to 565 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: get your you know kind of you know, your start 566 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: and then work your way up from there. 567 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the landscape has changed so much already. You know, 568 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 3: this is year eleven, and the amount of college football 569 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 3: like recruiting or personnel staff on these college campuses as 570 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 3: exploded to the point where they have their own like 571 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: scouting staff, which is totally something that was not existent 572 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 3: when I was, you know, just ten years ago. But 573 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 3: Eric always said when I was interviewing or we were 574 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 3: talking about candidates, it's like be able to have a 575 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 3: concrete example of your passion for football. So whether that's 576 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 3: working for free, or working in high school, or working 577 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 3: at your college, working in any college, just being able 578 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 3: to show that this is something you're passionate about, is 579 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 3: something you care about, and not just being able to 580 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 3: beg oh I wrote, I studied football out I played 581 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 3: for It's really important to take that next step and 582 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 3: show the initiative that you're willing to do whatever you 583 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: can to just be in this industry. 584 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: It's great. 585 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 5: It's great advice from both you guys. 586 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: And it's a busy week here at the Combine. I 587 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: appreciate you making some time to sit with us and 588 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: talk about this classic prosps. I can't wait to see 589 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: what you end up doing a draft weekend, so we're 590 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: gonna make all sorts of predictions between now and then. 591 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: But thanks for the time and have a good rest 592 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: of your week here. 593 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 5: Thanks appreciate it. 594 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: Welcome back into the lounge. We're coming to you from 595 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: the Sea Geek Studio. We want to mention our partners 596 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: at Draft King Sportsbook. They are an official sports betting 597 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draftking sports Book. The crown 598 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: is yours well, big thanks to Andrew and Joey. Really 599 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: like sitting down with those guys, seeing just the process 600 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: that goes into building out this draft board. It's it's 601 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: been great to see. I've been I've been working with 602 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: them since they started with the Ravens and seeing their 603 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: success and climb the ladder of the scouting profession and 604 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: they're they're two of the best in the business, So 605 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: appreciate their time and sitting down with us. What was 606 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: the takeaway that you had after hearing from them. 607 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 4: Yes, it's just to me. I love hearing about all 608 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 4: the preparation and the thought process that goes into the 609 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 4: draft with our organization. It's a twelve month a year 610 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 4: job for them. And they referenced this this is like 611 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 4: the Super leading up the Super Bowl now a playoff 612 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 4: time for them. Yeah, and now leading up to the 613 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 4: Super Bowl, which of course is the draft. And this 614 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 4: is a major part of the process. The combine. It's 615 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 4: so important in many ways, but yet this twelve month year. 616 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 4: Work that they do factors a lot into the decisions 617 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 4: no matter what goes on here. So it's fascinating to 618 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 4: hear so the debates they have, Yeah, some of the 619 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 4: evaluations they have, and yes, even though sometimes they're not 620 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 4: going to give you a specific name because you don't 621 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 4: want the other thirty one teams and know what you're doing, 622 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 4: it's also really interesting to hear about the process. 623 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I also was encourage if you want 624 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: to talk about specifics, like I was encouraged to hear 625 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: them say they feel like the edge class is probably 626 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: the star of the show when it comes to this 627 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: draft class, and the Ravens are looking at players at 628 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: that spot. We've talked to different people about that. We 629 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: talked to Charles Davis about it, we talked to Daniel 630 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: Jeremiah about it, and there's a lot of potential for 631 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: the Ravens to add there. They're gonna add pass rushers 632 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: in this draft. I would not be surprised at all. 633 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: Right now, got eleven picks that they use two of 634 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: those picks on edge players, on pass rush type players, 635 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: and so to hear that it's a talented class one 636 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: through seven, I think that's encouraging, and it gives you 637 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: belief that the Ravens are going to be able to 638 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: find players that can come in and make an impact 639 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: on this team this year and beyond, So that I 640 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: think is really exciting. So I also like just hearing 641 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: the need for conviction in your beliefs, and like I 642 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: thought it was a good point in talking about whether 643 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: you're in a draft meeting room or whether it's the 644 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: actual draft when you're on the clock, needing to have 645 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: confidence and conviction and belief and have done the work 646 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: and the research to be able in that moment to 647 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: say I like this guy. And here's why like that 648 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: is that's an important part of the job. And that's 649 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: why these guys spend so much time. They put so 650 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: many miles on the car driving all over these college 651 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: campuses and games and pro days, all of it to 652 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: make sure that they're in the right position to do that. 653 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,959 Speaker 4: That's correct. I mean they've spent in some cases two 654 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 4: three years looking at a player. Yeah, they've talked to 655 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 4: dozens of people about this player. There should be a 656 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 4: conviction on their part that after all this research, this 657 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 4: is what I found, This is why I believe in 658 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 4: that player. And yes, when you feel that way, then 659 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 4: that is your job to let EDC know or whoever 660 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 4: that yes, this is why I believe this player should 661 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 4: be a Raven will help us win games, and those 662 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 4: situations do come up for them after doing all this 663 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 4: grinding where someone looks at them and says what do 664 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 4: you think? And what they say is going to determine 665 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 4: a lot of times whether they make that call or 666 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 4: move somewhere else. So we'll see if something like that 667 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 4: happens this year, but certainly you can tell how much 668 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 4: preparation that they put and will continue to put into 669 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 4: this year's draft class. 670 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 671 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: So, as always, it's good to talk with these guys 672 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: and hear the process that they go through. You can 673 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: email us at the Lounge at ravenst NFL dot net. 674 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: Will continue breaking down everything from here at the NFL 675 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: Scouting Combline. Make sure you hit subscribe to the Ravens 676 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: Lounge podcast. 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