Speaker 1: When Zach and I finished the production for A One
Speaker 1: House Down, I knew that he knew him. I said,
Speaker 1: would you text him this song and ask him to
Speaker 1: play Soolow on it? And Zach was like, I'd give
Speaker 1: it nineteen percent chance that he says yes, And I
Speaker 1: said I'll take ninety percent and he said yes.
Speaker 2: I did not know she was on Songland. Do you
Speaker 2: know that? I didn't know that. Huh? And Songland just
Speaker 2: took like really good songwriters. Her name is Madeline Merlow.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed talking with her. I have this thing
Speaker 2: where I walked down to the studio if I've never
Speaker 2: met the person, I knew what she looked like because
Speaker 2: I'd seen her on Dustin Lynch's Instagram. And there's always
Speaker 2: that first three or four minutes of any interview where
Speaker 2: you're kind of like early in a boxing magic, kind
Speaker 2: of circling each other their houses, gonna work. And I
Speaker 2: feel like, at like three or four minutes we were like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: we got some stuff we can talk about. I thought
Speaker 2: the clique, Yeah, there was a click, especially when she
Speaker 2: was volunteering like her time in therapy, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can I can go there and that'll open us
Speaker 2: up to a lot of other things, because that's as
Speaker 2: vulnerable as it gets when you start talking about like
Speaker 2: your feelings and your insecurities. And then it was like
Speaker 2: I liked her, and so I thought it went pretty good.
Speaker 2: She grew up in Maple Ridge, BC, Canada, which is
Speaker 2: left side right Vancouver. She said, near Vancouver. That's like
Speaker 2: the California version of Canada, way over there. Her father
Speaker 2: was a funk musician, which we found out she wasn't
Speaker 2: with him a lot. So I was like, hey, your
Speaker 2: dad played, but she's like yeah, but so, and that's
Speaker 2: when we were like, oh, what about Is it jeans
Speaker 2: or is it environment? Is it a bit of both?
Speaker 2: She had been wanted to sing forever and she sang
Speaker 2: Somewhere over the Rainbow, and I was kind of it Somewhere.
Speaker 2: There's a really cool story on one of the last
Speaker 2: episodes we did too by Somewhere over the Rainbow Judy Garland,
Speaker 2: who is that with with Randa Lee? Branda Lee? Yeah,
Speaker 2: she said. Judy Garland gave her some great advice at
Speaker 2: a hotel in Vegas. She went up to her and
Speaker 2: was like, what you were a kid star, what do
Speaker 2: you do. That's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 2: Madelinemurlow signed Recordhill at eighteen. She did a bunch of
Speaker 2: stuff in Canada and then came to the States, and
Speaker 2: she kind of has a cool deal now where she's
Speaker 2: a new artist here, but she's not so new in Canada,
Speaker 2: so she lives here like she is. Fully she's a
Speaker 2: Nashville artist, embraced at one hundred percent. But what's cool
Speaker 2: is every once in a while she can pop back
Speaker 2: home and do six seven shows and pair of bills. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they come back down, So like, that's cool. I
Speaker 2: think that's it. I really enjoyed it. Hope you check
Speaker 2: her out. I hope you like her music. Her name
Speaker 2: is Madeline Murlow and that is also her Instagram and
Speaker 2: TikTok name. Her song One House Down from the Girl
Speaker 2: next Door, which I just felt was so clever, came
Speaker 2: out on October eleventh. We featured it on The Women
Speaker 2: to Buy Her Country. We've also featured bar Fight on
Speaker 2: Women of Our Country. And here she is, mad Madelene
Speaker 2: madeleyn Madeleine Merlou. Here you go, Madelin. How's it going good?
Speaker 2: I saw good? I was watching just Dustin Lynch's Instagram.
Speaker 2: You guys just did the opry. Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 3: Last week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I followed Dustin. What was it was that
Speaker 2: like the first first time for you? Yeah?
Speaker 3: That was my debut?
Speaker 2: Oh cool? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then the first time because we have a song together,
Speaker 1: the first time we ever played it?
Speaker 2: What was that night? Like?
Speaker 3: It was amazing? I was wreck though.
Speaker 1: I was like not okay, Like when I first got there,
Speaker 1: you do like a bunch of interviews and stuff, and
Speaker 1: people were talking to me and I wasn't processing any information,
Speaker 1: Like I was just freaking out. I just feel like
Speaker 1: it's such a I don't know every artist I've looked
Speaker 1: up to loved to have played that stage, and I've
Speaker 1: just wanted it for so long, So I think.
Speaker 3: I felt like the gravity of it. But then I
Speaker 3: saw Dustin.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how many times have you played? I'm freaking out?
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, like hundreds, Like it's fine, wait you
Speaker 1: saw that, Like sorry, When we were sound checking, he
Speaker 1: came in and he was so mellow.
Speaker 2: And I was just bumping him there and be like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: we have a song together. Got it got to yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Then he was like I don't know. He was so
Speaker 1: mellow and so it like chilled me out a little bit.
Speaker 2: The room's cool that they put you in the first
Speaker 2: time because it's got all the quotes on it. It's
Speaker 2: got like Taylor. Yeah, it's really the only one I
Speaker 2: can remember. Yeah, because it's pretty that's a pretty large one.
Speaker 2: And also it's Taylor too, for sure.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh my god, I'm on the Oprey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how long ago did you know that you're going
Speaker 2: to do the opry? They do any kind of like, hey, Madeline,
Speaker 2: we're especially inviting you with me. I think they were like, hey,
Speaker 2: somebody fell out, we jump in. I think that was
Speaker 2: me my first time.
Speaker 1: It was when we so me and Dustin were doing
Speaker 1: liners for our song and it was like on the
Speaker 1: teleprompter and I like, I like announced it to myself
Speaker 1: kind of which was fun.
Speaker 2: And you didn't know what was coming.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I had gone in there a few months previous and
Speaker 1: like met the staff and then you play some songs
Speaker 1: and so I had hoped, but then I didn't hear anything.
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, oh my gosh, I like
Speaker 1: do something and they hate me. I was scared, but they.
Speaker 2: Did ask me, so you have your own parking spot. Yep,
Speaker 2: do you keep the sign? Of course?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't hung it up yet, but I will
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: And uh, what did you play?
Speaker 1: I played well, Dustin and I did the duet at
Speaker 1: the first first No, I did Champagne Night.
Speaker 2: Which because you need to be so nervous the first one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: with Dustin, that's too much comfortable somebody else you don't
Speaker 2: you want to be so petrified nervous the first song, absolutely,
Speaker 2: for sure, of course.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I chose that song just because it like
Speaker 1: kind of kicked open a lot of doors in town
Speaker 1: for me, my mom, my sister, came so many like
Speaker 1: friends and you know, my label.
Speaker 3: Industry songwriters, just just the crew. It was good.
Speaker 2: You'll like your second time way more than your first time.
Speaker 3: I've heard that, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I am like, as soon as it was done, it's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it was so great. Everyone's so nice.
Speaker 1: It's the very mellow thing. I was like, Man, I
Speaker 1: wish I hadn't like freak out all day.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to do it. And yeah, you have to.
Speaker 2: But see, that's the thing. The first time, you're just
Speaker 2: like like the first time that I played it. I
Speaker 2: don't even remember the people like in the crowd. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was so nervous. Yeah, but like the second time,
Speaker 2: it's kind of cool because there's not a cake and
Speaker 2: all your label people aren't there, and we appreciate that
Speaker 2: for the first time. Then like the eighth time, like
Speaker 2: I show up ten minutes before and late right after,
Speaker 2: and it's still awesome. Yeah, but now it's just like
Speaker 2: you belong and they're super cool with you. But it
Speaker 2: all starts at that first one, like congratulations, that's super cool.
Speaker 2: How long have you been in town?
Speaker 3: Almost seven years?
Speaker 2: Okay, so long enough, but not so so long. The
Speaker 2: pandemic kind of cuts a couple of years.
Speaker 3: I think so too. I think it did.
Speaker 1: I LL at least that's what I say. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: almost seven years.
Speaker 2: You moved from where so.
Speaker 1: I'm originally from forty minutes outside of Vancouver, Canada. Called
Speaker 1: me for.
Speaker 2: Ridge, which is like California. Yeah, exactly, like that side.
Speaker 1: On the Yeah, west coast, Pacific, northwest, beautiful, small, blueberry town,
Speaker 1: not a ton going on, And then.
Speaker 2: I'm blueberry Town that real term. Yeah did you make
Speaker 2: that up?
Speaker 3: No, it's just like there's a lot of blueberry fields.
Speaker 2: Oh, there literally are blueberry I thought there was like
Speaker 2: some term I'd never heard. It was like a nice
Speaker 2: lang blueberry town. Yeah, okay, okay, so you have blueberries there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I moved to Toronto, which is like Canada's
Speaker 1: like New York and lived there for like a year
Speaker 1: and a half, and then Pat do u Hall moved
Speaker 1: to Nashville.
Speaker 2: When you moved to Toronto, what'd you do that for
Speaker 2: what purpose?
Speaker 1: I just wanted to there's more of like a music
Speaker 1: scene and business scene in Toronto. There's just not I mean,
Speaker 1: Canada is a very large country in size, but population why,
Speaker 1: it's not very big. And when it came to like
Speaker 1: my label was there and I felt like I could
Speaker 1: put together a band, and I felt like a lot
Speaker 1: of my shows were in that area, so it was more.
Speaker 1: And also I was just young. I was like ready
Speaker 1: to get out and just be on my own and
Speaker 1: it was a harsh reality.
Speaker 2: What prompted you to move to Nashville specifically?
Speaker 3: I always wanted to.
Speaker 1: I visited Nashville I think at like fifteen or sixteen
Speaker 1: for the first time as soon as I figured out
Speaker 1: there was like a magical way and where people came
Speaker 1: and wrote songs for a living and yeah, and then
Speaker 1: I was pretty determined. But as a Canadian, it's hard.
Speaker 1: You need a visa, you can only stay for six
Speaker 1: months without once. You kind of need a company to
Speaker 1: like sign off on you. It's expensive. There's like a
Speaker 1: lot of kind of hoops you got to jump through.
Speaker 1: So I just like worked and saved up money and
Speaker 1: had a career up in Canada and still do tour
Speaker 1: it a lot and had a lot.
Speaker 3: Of great experiences.
Speaker 1: But it was always like, as soon as I could
Speaker 1: move to Nashville, I was going to do it.
Speaker 2: So did you need someone in the States to like
Speaker 2: co sign mm hmm, not even use.
Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, I mean it's a process, right. They
Speaker 1: have to like basically vouch for you that like they'll
Speaker 1: send you back if needed, and they're like low key
Speaker 1: responsible for you and that they're going to supply you
Speaker 1: with work. And so when I moved down, like I
Speaker 1: didn't really have that, and so you just started like
Speaker 1: harassing anyone that would like make eye contact with me and.
Speaker 3: Be like listen to my song? Have you heard my song?
Speaker 3: It was like this clock that was counting down.
Speaker 2: You moved here without that. Yeah, so you basically had
Speaker 2: six months. It was like the numbers dud, dude, it's
Speaker 2: counting down. Yeah, I think it.
Speaker 1: Like to play in the US, there's a visa call
Speaker 1: to P two which will kind of like get you
Speaker 1: in for like one specific show. So I think I
Speaker 1: had one of those at the time, so didn't like
Speaker 1: raise any red flags.
Speaker 3: But that was done and the.
Speaker 1: Clock had started, and I was like, Okay, I need
Speaker 1: to get a publishing deal essentially.
Speaker 2: And how did you go about getting that? You move here?
Speaker 2: What was your apartment like? I'm always curious that people's
Speaker 2: first Yeah, like the first like three months here? What
Speaker 2: was your apartment like? And what were your first couple of,
Speaker 2: you know, ventures out in the music world.
Speaker 1: I lived in Midtown in one of like the little
Speaker 1: apartments there.
Speaker 3: I cried like every day. I had no friends and
Speaker 3: no anybody.
Speaker 2: No roommate, no.
Speaker 1: I would listen to your guy's show actually, and I
Speaker 1: listened to a ton of Bobby Cast and I felt
Speaker 1: like you had the scoop on everything, and I had
Speaker 1: no friends and.
Speaker 2: So you guys were I was your friend? I just
Speaker 2: you are?
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, But honestly, it was like anyone like you'd
Speaker 1: have one kind of friend.
Speaker 3: I actually remember Hannah Ellis, who was an artist.
Speaker 1: I had to write with her, and she invited me
Speaker 1: to a party. I remember, and I was so scared
Speaker 1: and I never forgot that she did that because I
Speaker 1: was like literally knew nobody was petrified and just rolled up.
Speaker 2: So how do you make friends? No, no, no, I've
Speaker 2: been had to do it. It's hard to do. I
Speaker 2: just wonder how you did it here and all your
Speaker 2: friends are probably also competing or trying for the same
Speaker 2: goals you have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, I mean it's hard. I remember
Speaker 1: being like, if you're at like a yoga class, do
Speaker 1: you just like be like Hi?
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, I'm awkward as it is. So I
Speaker 3: don't really know.
Speaker 1: I think through like song writing and then you meet
Speaker 1: kind of one friend who introduces you to their friend
Speaker 1: and you kind of click with people.
Speaker 3: But I find that Nashville's pretty open.
Speaker 1: Like when I moved to Toronto, I made like one
Speaker 1: friend in like two years, like.
Speaker 2: I had the whole time. You left one friend?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like one friend I could call.
Speaker 2: Did you do the n S A? I A And
Speaker 2: I say, I deal on songwriters? Or how did you
Speaker 2: get your first rites.
Speaker 1: I like I had just known a couple people through
Speaker 1: Canada because I would come down here and write with
Speaker 1: a couple of people, like I knew Phil Barton and
Speaker 1: knew like a few people. And then I went to
Speaker 1: be my I went to ask cap and just was
Speaker 1: like please, like just set me up with rights and
Speaker 1: just started like compounding and then like can I jump
Speaker 1: up with you and sing at the listening room or
Speaker 1: can I do this? And just I felt like really
Speaker 1: did everything I could to meet anyone, like going out,
Speaker 1: if you were playing a show, I was going to
Speaker 1: be there. I was just trying to talk to people,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I just needed to be able to stay.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you beat your six month goal. Did you
Speaker 2: get a publishing a deal before six months? Yeah? How close?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so you can stay. I don't know
Speaker 1: the exactly because you can stay in the US six
Speaker 1: months at a time.
Speaker 3: So I had gone home and then like would come
Speaker 3: stack over.
Speaker 2: So if you go home and push the button and
Speaker 2: start over, yeah something as long as your like parents
Speaker 2: out white, I'd make sure you didn't get a job,
Speaker 2: so you had to come home. Yeah, I guess if
Speaker 2: she doesn't get a job, she has to go home
Speaker 2: every six months. Yeah, do you check in kind?
Speaker 3: I mean I would.
Speaker 1: I would go play shows in Canada mainly, and then
Speaker 1: it would kind of like reset or I'd spent like
Speaker 1: you be really strategic with like how much time you'd spend.
Speaker 1: But I think it was like pretty close. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. The company is called Delusion. They were like, sure,
Speaker 1: we'll give you down. I was like, thank God, Like
Speaker 1: it was just the most you know, amazing thing.
Speaker 2: I had to vouch for someone from Australia for a
Speaker 2: few years, okay, yeah, and so like I know the
Speaker 2: process and I would write the letter like she's not
Speaker 2: murdered anyone. Yeah, I believe in her. What was home
Speaker 2: like for your dad as a musician.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he like fostered anything that I did,
Speaker 1: but he I think hereditarily like passed down his gifts
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: But my mom was really the one that saw something
Speaker 1: in me. I was very tenacious and I wasn't like
Speaker 1: the star ever, Like I was obsessed with it and
Speaker 1: I would audition for everything, go to the talent shows
Speaker 1: and do musical theater and I'd always get cast in
Speaker 1: the course, and I'd always get third place or not
Speaker 1: even play, and for whatever reason, I was just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's next, Okay, I just gotta do this.
Speaker 3: I just gotta do that. Like sometimes they look back,
Speaker 3: I'm like, how like, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Ever think why did I keep going if I never
Speaker 2: got it? Yeah? I think about that with me too,
Speaker 2: because I was never like the person. I was always
Speaker 2: mid but I always tried.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh I always say that.
Speaker 1: I say, like, I do be out here trying, like
Speaker 1: I will try and try and try and failm film film,
Speaker 1: keep trying.
Speaker 2: Did your mom have musical background.
Speaker 3: No, like not really. I think she just she was
Speaker 3: just a rock star.
Speaker 1: She she really pretty much raised me and my sister
Speaker 1: on her own.
Speaker 2: And so your parents were together, Uh No.
Speaker 1: They got divorced when I was like kind of a
Speaker 1: I think I was like twelve or thirty and you live.
Speaker 2: With your mom mostly. So were there instruments? Did your
Speaker 2: sister like music or did was it just like you're
Speaker 2: just wondering why all of a sudden you love music?
Speaker 2: It was genetic of it, you think.
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 1: I think so, Like my dad had a guitar that
Speaker 1: I would steal and play, and but I just like
Speaker 1: loved music. I just remember feeling it's differently like I
Speaker 1: remember listening to like an Eda James song and being
Speaker 1: like feeling very emotional, like a really young age about
Speaker 1: these songs, and it just felt like it mattered. And
Speaker 1: then my dad loved music and he was involved in
Speaker 1: music too, and I think I was the kid, you know,
Speaker 1: really desperate for you know, their parents to pay attention
Speaker 1: to them as well. I've still dealing with that in therapy,
Speaker 1: but we'll see.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny. I was talking to my friend
Speaker 2: Eddie today today literally we were talking about some classic
Speaker 2: rock stuff. It was way before I was born, and
Speaker 2: he was like, how do you know the singers of
Speaker 2: these songs? And so I don't know my real dad,
Speaker 2: but my mom remarried my stepdad, And I said, well,
Speaker 2: like I wanted any relationship at all of my stepdad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he loved classic rock. So I would memorize every song
Speaker 2: we play. This thing where I just felt like he
Speaker 2: would talk to me and pay me attention if I
Speaker 2: knew every song and every artist. And you saying that,
Speaker 2: I mean as basically a version the conversation I had
Speaker 2: earlier because I thought, if I know all these songs
Speaker 2: and all these artists, yeah, he'll have something he thinks
Speaker 2: about he can talk about with me. And it feels
Speaker 2: like a bit slightly different that you did music for
Speaker 2: a bit of attention or at least some kind of love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's certainly a combination.
Speaker 1: When I talked to my therapist about that, she said,
Speaker 1: you know, every villain has their origin story. That's what
Speaker 1: she said to me.
Speaker 2: I had therapy girl. Yeah, therapy boy have been for
Speaker 2: a long time.
Speaker 3: Game changer.
Speaker 2: Why for you? When say win for you? Because I
Speaker 2: think why is we'd be here for three hours because
Speaker 2: I take over the conversation.
Speaker 3: And yeah, me too, Me too.
Speaker 1: I went for a few years and then I stopped,
Speaker 1: and then I went for a few more years.
Speaker 3: Mine was literally.
Speaker 1: Like like it wasn't even like I needed help.
Speaker 2: Very desperate shorty Canada. Did you start here? No?
Speaker 3: I started here.
Speaker 2: Actually, how were you introduced to it? I was.
Speaker 1: I literally went to a doctor and I was like,
Speaker 1: I am having five panic attacks a week, Like I
Speaker 1: am out of control, Like physically I felt it physically.
Speaker 1: I was like I don't know what's going on. I'm
Speaker 1: like I don't want to leave my house, like, and
Speaker 1: she was like, okay, okay, we need to like and
Speaker 1: I ended up going to this place called center Stone,
Speaker 1: which and this was like just such a god thing,
Speaker 1: such a blessing. When I first moved to town, I
Speaker 1: go to this I literally google I go this thing
Speaker 1: called center Stone, and they're like, how much money do
Speaker 1: you have? And I was like, I just moved here,
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, uh, you know, I didn't have like anything,
Speaker 1: and they were like, okay, then let's.
Speaker 3: Take care of and they save my life.
Speaker 2: One, I appreciate being open about that and even mentioning
Speaker 2: therapy because it doesn't have the stigma that it used
Speaker 2: to have. But I think a lot of people don't
Speaker 2: want to mention it unless it's brought up and kind
Speaker 2: of dragged out of them. So I really appreciate you
Speaker 2: just even mentioning the facts out of nowhere, Like yeah, therapy,
Speaker 2: it's a massive part of my life for sure. Didn't
Speaker 2: even know what it was going on.
Speaker 1: It's like you're I always say, and I always just
Speaker 1: really encourage people and to go because I mean, sometimes
Speaker 1: you're just carrying so much and sometimes you don't know
Speaker 1: what you're carrying, But I felt like I had a
Speaker 1: lot of resentment, a lot of anger, and I was
Speaker 1: just dragging it around with me. It was affecting my
Speaker 1: life so much and had a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: just a ton of different things and to actually go
Speaker 1: through and it's hard.
Speaker 3: You stir it all up, and it's.
Speaker 1: Even harder at first, but then it starts to feel
Speaker 1: lighter and it's like you get your life back, you
Speaker 1: really do?
Speaker 2: Did they help you? Right? Meaning? And I want to
Speaker 2: give you two versions. I felt if I got too
Speaker 2: and this is not the correct term for someone that
Speaker 2: goes into therapy, I thought if I got too right
Speaker 2: or too correct, I would lose my edge. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: really felt like I'm able to like produce this stuff,
Speaker 2: create the stuff, right, these jokes, have these ideas and
Speaker 2: these thoughts because I'm a little broken, and if I
Speaker 2: can just say a little broken, then but if I
Speaker 2: get if I'm fixed, nobody's ever fixed. That's what I thought.
Speaker 2: If I'm fixed, I will not be able to have
Speaker 2: the same creative edge that I did. Did you ever
Speaker 2: worry about that a little bit?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But I think like, yeah, I mean at your like
Speaker 1: rock bottom, obviously your like safety and like life is
Speaker 1: like more important.
Speaker 3: But I certainly feel like it's helped me more than.
Speaker 1: Anything, just understanding, like I think as a songwriter, even
Speaker 1: when I'm like.
Speaker 3: In this situation, you just don't have as much perspective.
Speaker 1: And so then when I'm out of the situation, I
Speaker 1: can turn around and see, you know, what was happening,
Speaker 1: and just.
Speaker 3: Like a different perspective of it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what therapy does, is it like
Speaker 1: opens stuff up and gives you perspectives on situations and
Speaker 1: validates your experiences and your emotions and stuff to help
Speaker 1: you understand them better, which I think makes me a
Speaker 1: better songwriter.
Speaker 2: I was very wrong about thinking I would lose my age,
Speaker 2: and I agree with what you're saying, but I had
Speaker 2: to I was very concerned that if I got right, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would lose what got me to that point. But
Speaker 2: then what I kind of learned was because therapies it's
Speaker 2: weirdly intimate. Right, you don't know the person, oh for sure,
Speaker 2: you're saying things and it's a dance. Especially when you
Speaker 2: first go you're like, ah, do I trust you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, You're like, do I omit this or what?
Speaker 2: And then when I we would write and you know,
Speaker 2: I don't write like you doub but I write comedy
Speaker 2: stuff or just when i'd write books. It helped me be,
Speaker 2: It helped me share more intimately exactly, so much more
Speaker 2: so than it actually made me better. It was very
Speaker 2: counter what I thought was going to happen. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: of me going, I got to realize who I really am.
Speaker 2: And also that being kind of open about it actually
Speaker 2: allows more growth. And I wasn't as scared to share,
Speaker 2: for sure. And co writes are very intimate times. But
Speaker 2: you and somebody and you're like, here's what happened to me,
Speaker 2: and it sucked, Like writing.
Speaker 1: Intimates it, Oh yeah for sure, and you feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to write this type of song and like
Speaker 1: you got it's going to be the right room that
Speaker 1: you know, some songwriters just have a gift of making
Speaker 1: you feel very safe in the room until you kind
Speaker 1: of save that for that. But I think that's exactly it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's made me a more of an open person.
Speaker 1: And I think with my little platform that I have,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, and you, I'm sure how
Speaker 1: many people have heard your story and have fell seen
Speaker 1: I mean, that's important. I mean, we're only here for
Speaker 1: a short amount of time, and it's like, if you
Speaker 1: can make one person feel like understood in their experiences
Speaker 1: or in their story, like, that's pretty awesome.
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Speaker 2: Can I see a very cliche question? You ever met
Speaker 2: Sania Twain?
Speaker 3: I have?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the ultimate cliche Canadian question.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at some point I was gonna ask it so licious.
Speaker 1: I actually got to do at the Canadian Country Music Awards.
Speaker 3: She was hosting, and I got to do a tribute
Speaker 3: to her while she watched you.
Speaker 1: She yeah, she comes on stage at the end, so
Speaker 1: I have a photo of me and her.
Speaker 2: Wait, you performed a tribute to her while she I
Speaker 2: would die. I'd be a wreck. I was, I'd be
Speaker 2: a wreck.
Speaker 3: It was insane and what was sad too?
Speaker 1: I mean we were It was me and two other
Speaker 1: girls and we were all so nervous, like this is
Speaker 1: as a Canadian girl, your hero, Like she was my
Speaker 1: first concert.
Speaker 3: She was like made me think I could do this.
Speaker 3: The whole thing. We were rereaking out and then I remember.
Speaker 1: Just like the trolls were like this is trash and
Speaker 1: we got so much like hate and people just and
Speaker 1: their opinions and stuff and you know they vocally sound
Speaker 1: bad or whatever it was, and it was like we
Speaker 1: were so nervous, Like it was just felt like the
Speaker 1: biggest moment, you know, in our lives so far.
Speaker 2: Remove the troll part for a second, because that had
Speaker 2: to happen. You had to see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, a tribute you just you just get that,
Speaker 1: because do you They don't feel like, yeah.
Speaker 2: You can never do it as good as the original.
Speaker 2: It's like a cover covers or it's like a sequel
Speaker 2: to a movie. None of them are really as good
Speaker 2: as the original because they're almost not allowed to be
Speaker 2: because the original. So before, how did you feel while
Speaker 2: you were doing it or how did you feel when
Speaker 2: you were asked to do it? Because I think that's
Speaker 2: pretty amazing.
Speaker 3: It was insane.
Speaker 1: I honestly think like there was I got a call
Speaker 1: about like that it might be happening, and then I
Speaker 1: remember I got a text from like the music director
Speaker 1: was like, hey, so here's what you're going to be
Speaker 1: singing it just like this very I sang one of
Speaker 1: her new songs. So I mean I think one girl
Speaker 1: started with man, I feel like a woman, Then I
Speaker 1: forget the second one. Then I sang live spot to
Speaker 1: get good, and then we sang Who's Then I sang
Speaker 1: Who's bet of your boots Been under? And then she
Speaker 1: came out after so we kind of like alded like
Speaker 1: little bits of her songs.
Speaker 2: Did she come out and rehearsal?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my gosh, she did. And she was so
Speaker 3: like telling us like, oh, try this and try that
Speaker 3: and like.
Speaker 1: Walk on beat and was like very excited for us
Speaker 1: and like a fun aunt is the only way like
Speaker 1: I could explain it. She was. Yeah, she was awesome.
Speaker 1: It was really really special.
Speaker 2: What's a week like for you now?
Speaker 3: Just depends.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like we've been on the road
Speaker 1: a lot playing shows.
Speaker 3: I still play a lot in Canada's.
Speaker 1: Whiles a lot of times, you know, crossing the border up, up,
Speaker 1: back and forth.
Speaker 2: I still guarantee so bigger up there because you have
Speaker 2: a history for sure. Yeah, that's awesome to be able
Speaker 2: to go and make money.
Speaker 1: Yeah it isn't Canadian dollars though, so anyway, have a backover.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really shake out to what it is up there.
Speaker 2: But do you know that you know the actual difference.
Speaker 1: I think it's like seventy two cents to the dollar
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: But still you're probably making good enough up there to
Speaker 2: take care of it.
Speaker 3: For sure, able to do it. I mean touring. I
Speaker 3: don't think people realize how expensive it is to.
Speaker 2: Do again tour.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say the thing that I just said
Speaker 2: a minute ago, and I'm so annoying when I do this.
Speaker 2: But I was just having this conversation yesterday with my friend.
Speaker 2: You know, George Burge is the artist. So George has
Speaker 2: a number one song hit the song Mind on You,
Speaker 2: and he has a song that's probably gonna be a
Speaker 2: number one again. And he was talking about opening for
Speaker 2: an artist and he was the baby act, and we
Speaker 2: were talking about and this wasn't a microphone because George
Speaker 2: is a dear friend of mine. He was like, we
Speaker 2: were making just enough to almost break even. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: taking oh big shows, but as the baby act, like
Speaker 2: not a bus, a van, having to pay the band,
Speaker 2: You're making fifteen hundred dollars a show. Yeah. And then
Speaker 2: he's like, by the time we would get back, if
Speaker 2: I was down seventy bucks, that was a win.
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely so when you talk about.
Speaker 2: That, that's I mean, that's the reality of it. It's
Speaker 2: hard to make money. Yeah, touring, just straight up for sure.
Speaker 1: And it's gritty too, right, Like you're on the road
Speaker 1: and you're in a van and you're driving and you're tired,
Speaker 1: and then you come home and your nake in the
Speaker 1: deficit and you're.
Speaker 3: Like everyone else got paid and like it's.
Speaker 1: My name on the thing, that's why we're all here.
Speaker 1: It's like it's hard on like the psyche sometimes too,
Speaker 1: but like it it's so enjoyable, like playing shows is
Speaker 1: the best part of this whole thing that it somehow
Speaker 1: like you're.
Speaker 2: Just still do it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's like it you really do love
Speaker 3: it that much for you to do a full weekend
Speaker 3: and be down seventy dollars and still be like.
Speaker 2: That was sweet, though, Why do you keep going? I
Speaker 2: don't know, Like, what's what's the ultimate goal?
Speaker 3: Great question?
Speaker 1: I feel like the with this business trying to understand
Speaker 1: that the goal line just can take and used to
Speaker 1: move like I mean, I would set goals for myself
Speaker 1: and then hit the goals and then you're like okay,
Speaker 1: like what's next. You don't even sit there and really
Speaker 1: enjoy it. It's it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: And so I don't know. I would love to just
Speaker 3: be able to.
Speaker 1: Like do this and make music and tour and play
Speaker 1: shows and support a family and but yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: putting like specific things, it's difficult. I've thought about that
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: Are you able to enjoy successes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think I have had a Like
Speaker 1: I started super young, and I feel like my career
Speaker 1: I've been like a few degrees of separation of like
Speaker 1: really cool things for a while, Like I am such
Speaker 1: a like inch by inch by inch by inch, like
Speaker 1: it has gone so slow for me, and it's always
Speaker 1: I mean, like, for example, my producer Zat Crowell, the
Speaker 1: reason why we met is because that Dustin duet with
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Porter that was like a six week number one.
Speaker 3: I auditioned for that song and I thought I did
Speaker 3: such a great job and it.
Speaker 1: Went so well, and that's how I met Zach and
Speaker 1: him obviously, like I didn't get that, but it led
Speaker 1: to a relationship with us.
Speaker 3: But like I was, like, I was so close.
Speaker 1: That was such a huge song that you know could
Speaker 1: have been me or before I signed because I'm over
Speaker 1: at BBR.
Speaker 3: Now I did a showcase in town. The labels came out.
Speaker 1: Had one label literally looked me in the eem and
Speaker 1: be like get ready, like Monday, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: deal on your table.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: And then they were like, we just signed another girl.
Speaker 1: I was so crushed. I like remember just like dropping
Speaker 1: my phone and just sobbing, like I was so close,
Speaker 1: Like how did what happened over the weekend.
Speaker 3: So there's been a few times that it's just.
Speaker 1: Like gut hunt, you know, and then then something magical
Speaker 1: happens and then folsy right back in again. And I've
Speaker 1: had a lot of magical things and random incidences and
Speaker 1: just opportunities fall my lap out of the sky at
Speaker 1: the same time too.
Speaker 3: That had been so great.
Speaker 2: When let's use an example when BBR says, hey, we
Speaker 2: want to sign you. Yeah, can you enjoy and celebrate
Speaker 2: that before you start to worry about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it was cool. After that other label
Speaker 1: didn't sign me, I went and bought a bottle of
Speaker 1: champagne and wrote, we'll sign a US for record deal
Speaker 1: and put it on. I was like to I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is happening, Like I'm tired of this, like this
Speaker 1: just needs to happen. And it was within the year
Speaker 1: that I that they offered me a deal, which is
Speaker 1: pretty cool. But yeah, I mean, yeah, you're stressed there
Speaker 1: because there's like a long period of time where you're
Speaker 1: in negotiations in the contracts the whole time, and then
Speaker 1: people are like, did you get the contract yet? I'm like,
Speaker 1: stop asking me that, like stress that they're going to
Speaker 1: change their mind or it's not going to come through
Speaker 1: or and then you get the deal and then you're like,
Speaker 1: now you got to keep the deal.
Speaker 3: It's just it never ends, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, never For me, I'm I struggle. I can't control
Speaker 2: my thoughts, but I try to control my thinking a
Speaker 2: bit where I don't yeah, where I don't lose myself.
Speaker 2: But if something happens, I'm pumped before I'm able to
Speaker 2: really enjoy it, I'm like, Okay, well this will fall
Speaker 2: apart if I don't abc like I really I've gotten
Speaker 2: a little better at it, but I have trouble with
Speaker 2: identifying why I should be happy about something before I
Speaker 2: move the goalpost, because I know they're gonna I know
Speaker 2: they're gonna move, just like you mentioned a minute ago,
Speaker 2: they're gonna move. Yeah, if I get a TV show,
Speaker 2: I should be happy for a minute that I just
Speaker 2: got the show instead of worrying about how it's gona
Speaker 2: fail if I don't get ratings exactly. Yeah, so now
Speaker 2: there are lots of therapy. I can go, well, you're
Speaker 2: really gonna unravel very soon. However, we're going to take
Speaker 2: this day before we fully unravel. Yeah, and enjoy this
Speaker 2: for sure. Would you do you feel like you're a
Speaker 2: positive generally a positive person.
Speaker 1: Yes, I do, yeah, And I think that's why I'm
Speaker 1: able to still be here and still be doing it
Speaker 1: and still be trying it, because.
Speaker 3: I think it's like all about your attitude.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, I mean, people
Speaker 1: have hard jobs, you know, and I wake up and
Speaker 1: write songs like I'm very blessed, like I'm really really lucky.
Speaker 1: But I totally agree, Like the opera is a great
Speaker 1: example of me like intentionally standing there being like I
Speaker 1: set this goal for myself and I'm freaking here and
Speaker 1: I'm standing in the circle and I accomplish what I did,
Speaker 1: Like I felt very allowed myself to feel very very
Speaker 1: proud of myself.
Speaker 3: And celebrate that and will continue to.
Speaker 1: So I feel like when it does happen for me,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really sweet because I've worked really hard
Speaker 1: and waited my turn and put the work in. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like having a longer journey on the back
Speaker 1: end just allows you to be more grateful for it
Speaker 1: when it finally you know, you do get those opportunities
Speaker 1: to come.
Speaker 2: It's very nice of you to say, wait, I don't
Speaker 2: feel like you've waited turn. I feel like you just
Speaker 2: get up once you get knocked down, and yeah, you're
Speaker 2: gonna eventually take your turn. Yeah, because you're not much
Speaker 2: of a waiter. But I think you can't be a waiter.
Speaker 2: You have to take the blows. Yeah, because in this world,
Speaker 2: this industry, anything creative, the blows are going to happen life,
Speaker 2: I mean life, and absolutely yeah, the blows are going.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's never about if you're gonna get
Speaker 2: back up, it's how quickly can you get back up?
Speaker 2: If somebody called me and said you get a record deal,
Speaker 2: and they call a couple of days laters, they never mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah that sucks. Yeah, how do you trust anybody ever
Speaker 2: again to say we're gonna work on a record deal
Speaker 2: like that would be I would be burnt out immediately. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask another question you probably get asked, but
Speaker 2: what's the my Little pone the cartoon then my Little Pony. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you had a voice, so what was was that a
Speaker 2: real job? Assistant job? What was the job?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, I honestly, this was so long ago, which is
Speaker 1: just hilarious, like ten years ago, right, yeah, like it's
Speaker 1: just floated around and I'll get comments to you on time,
Speaker 1: be like your Sonata dusk and because.
Speaker 2: That was that's how you say it, I wasn't gonna
Speaker 2: try to say it.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I sang the vocals like I sang a
Speaker 1: lot of pad like harmony like vocals for the soundtrack
Speaker 1: for this my Little Pony movie, and did all the
Speaker 1: vocal parts for this pony named Sonata, and like it's
Speaker 1: like my littling Battle of the Bands or something like that.
Speaker 1: And I remember I made like a few thousand dollars
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is so sick. This is like,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have anything at the time, and
Speaker 1: she has followed me around, you know, and people love
Speaker 1: that movie.
Speaker 3: I guess I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, So how did you get that.
Speaker 3: Job, I think.
Speaker 1: So I was in this like vocal group, like a
Speaker 1: glee club adjacent thing, and somebody in the group like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was just a really random I
Speaker 1: just got a call for They were like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: a singer, and I remember I had like staying country
Speaker 1: music and listened to it a ton and they kept
Speaker 1: being like, okay, you have a little twang in your voice,
Speaker 1: like stop singing it like that.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: And they wrote to check for a couple thousand bucks. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: was it a one time thing? Another couple of things?
Speaker 2: Because you did background vocals on Jelly Roll and Cole, Yeah,
Speaker 2: a couple of their songs. You probably have done way
Speaker 2: more than that. Yeah, So how did you get those jobs?
Speaker 2: Were you just doing that generally, just trying to make
Speaker 2: money at first?
Speaker 3: Honestly what they.
Speaker 2: Come do as the artist?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: So, so I started working with Zach and we were
Speaker 1: writing together a bunch and.
Speaker 3: He called me one day and he was like, I'm
Speaker 3: doing Cole song. He's Carolina.
Speaker 1: He's like a remake of this song from the nineties,
Speaker 1: and I want to put Jody Messina's part in it
Speaker 1: because it's in a different key. She's kind of like
Speaker 1: sounds like a chipmunk or whatever, like.
Speaker 3: Can you come proof of concept.
Speaker 1: It's not going in the record, but I just want
Speaker 1: to see what it would sound like if we can
Speaker 1: like mimic her voice. And I remember I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so this is like I mean, I just get my car,
Speaker 1: drive to Forest Hills or whatever and sing this thing
Speaker 1: that's not going to be in the song.
Speaker 2: No one's going to hear it placeholder.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: It's really high too, so I like squeak it out
Speaker 1: and he's like, sweet, this sounds awesome, thank you, and
Speaker 1: I leave. And then literally like a week later, he's
Speaker 1: like cool, loves it, like it's going to stay.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my gosh. And then became
Speaker 3: like the biggest song ever.
Speaker 1: And then Zach called me for the Jelly Row record.
Speaker 1: I did some sam Hunt stuff. I've sang some and
Speaker 1: dust and stuff. The new Chevrolet song that just went
Speaker 1: number one with him and Jelly. That's me singing the
Speaker 1: background of that song and Zach will just turn me
Speaker 1: up and I'll be things, So do.
Speaker 2: You sing that as loud and pure as possible? Right
Speaker 2: then he just turns you down.
Speaker 3: What do you mean? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: You're just singing the crap out of here.
Speaker 3: He's like, just go off flake, just saying.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing like I grew up listening to
Speaker 1: Like I was obsessed. I really obsessed with Rascal Flats
Speaker 1: and I would copy all of Gary's runs. And I
Speaker 1: love Big Belters and Martina and singers and stuff. So
Speaker 1: my favorite part of the recording process is the ad
Speaker 1: lib track. I'm like, let me go, And that's what
Speaker 1: Zach would do, like just sing like a bunch of stuff,
Speaker 1: sing some harmonies, sing some ad libs.
Speaker 3: So it's really creative, it's really fun.
Speaker 1: And then I just get surprised about like what ends
Speaker 1: up in it. And sometimes I feel like it's it
Speaker 1: like adds a lot to it, and I'm yeah.
Speaker 2: Grateful for Sometimes I think I called Zach and be like,
Speaker 2: why do you turn me up a little bit? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like I was a little too low? Yeah, Like I really,
Speaker 2: I know it's background, but give me, give me just
Speaker 2: a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, there's a song on the New Jelly
Speaker 1: Roll record that I sang some and I'm like listening,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I in here.
Speaker 3: I can farely hear myself.
Speaker 2: That's funny. Uh. What the ad libs are interesting. Some
Speaker 2: people hate the ad libs because you have to be
Speaker 2: vulnerable do ad libs, meaning you're just free to do
Speaker 2: whatever you want. And to do great ad libs you
Speaker 2: have to be stupid and great and bad and because
Speaker 2: it's a playground. Yeah, and to nail it, you have
Speaker 2: to experiment.
Speaker 1: It's just like going for it. But it's what's the
Speaker 1: craziest thing about it. And it's similar to you know,
Speaker 1: keithur been ripping a guitar solo. It's coming to him
Speaker 1: in real time through his brain to his hands and
Speaker 1: out like it is happening in real time.
Speaker 3: And same thing with that.
Speaker 1: It's just like you're just singing and you're coming up
Speaker 1: with these different notes and combinations and you just kind
Speaker 1: of like let something else do it. And so it's
Speaker 1: really fun, I think, but then you miss so hard.
Speaker 3: And it's very embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah for you very vulnerable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: But that's how you get greatness, is to allow the
Speaker 2: opportunity for a disaster to happen. Like exactly. You don't
Speaker 2: get the really great unless you make yourself so vulnerable
Speaker 2: that you get kicked on the nuts. You don't have
Speaker 2: nuts but me to get kicked on the nuts. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you act right, I had done. I didn't watch it,
Speaker 2: but I mean, honestly, I didn't watch Country Crush.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Watch it, but I watched a couple of clips of it,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know if that was like something you
Speaker 2: did it from being a kid all the way until now. No,
Speaker 2: because of my little pony in the Country Crush, I
Speaker 2: was just doing a homework.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: No, I have just been a girl that will I
Speaker 1: was terrified for that. I had no acting experience. I
Speaker 1: think I did like something really Yeah, I did some
Speaker 1: like commercial auditions and stuff, and then I did musical theater,
Speaker 1: but they like heard me or saw me on the
Speaker 1: internet and they were like, she looks like our character,
Speaker 1: she sings like our character.
Speaker 3: Can she act?
Speaker 1: And I was like not really, and yeah, and we
Speaker 1: did it. Jana Kreamer's in the movie as well, and
Speaker 1: so it was awesome, Like it was a fun experience
Speaker 1: and it actually the money I made for that movie,
Speaker 1: which wasn't like a ton, but it was enough to
Speaker 1: actually help me move to Nashville, so that's really cool.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: And it's like a silly Hallmark key movie where I
Speaker 1: played a country singer, so it was easy to kind
Speaker 1: of cosplay. But yeah, I'm not an actress. I'm just
Speaker 1: somebody ready to work.
Speaker 2: Nerve wrack jump into. It was that though, because again
Speaker 2: have a very small window of acting. I did a
Speaker 2: little movie once, Vanessa Hudgens, but I had like nine lines.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I did a bunch of Nashville where I started off
Speaker 2: as an extra and then eventually that had me playing
Speaker 2: myself doing lines with Connie Britton. But I felt I
Speaker 2: go back to being vulnerable. I felt so vulnerable because
Speaker 2: I'm with people who do this all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and their expectation is they should all nail it because
Speaker 2: they're all professionals. And I get dragged in and they're like,
Speaker 2: you have four lines with Connie Britton on Nashville, all
Speaker 2: the camera, and I'm like, I just want to screw
Speaker 2: this up. Yes, what was your feeling like acting?
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: I mean I was completely terrified for sure, and the
Speaker 1: same thing I was just I felt really out of
Speaker 1: my element.
Speaker 3: Everybody.
Speaker 1: I was the only non actor around, everybody knew what
Speaker 1: they were doing, so I leaned really heavily on my
Speaker 1: co star.
Speaker 3: We became really good.
Speaker 1: Friends, and I for like every line, I'd be like, wow,
Speaker 1: should I say this?
Speaker 3: Like I was so lost.
Speaker 1: But I also think that there was like a level
Speaker 1: of like naivity going into it, Like I really didn't know.
Speaker 3: It's hard, long hour, like actors are. It is so
Speaker 3: such a gritty thing to.
Speaker 1: Do long hours, and you're really just having to just
Speaker 1: like buy into the whole thing. And really, I mean
Speaker 1: it's very impressive what they do. And so I felt
Speaker 1: like I was like lost, in secure the whole process really,
Speaker 1: but I did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. How do you feel about watching yourself back?
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's hard. I think it's hard to
Speaker 1: find the perspective. I mean now I watch a music
Speaker 1: video back and I'm like, oh, like it's just I
Speaker 1: don't like, I'm like, wow, so cool.
Speaker 3: I'm too like, I don't know, self deprecating to really
Speaker 3: enjoy it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is that movie is like a whole
Speaker 1: market movie. It's supposed to be you know what it is.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 3: It's very but it's supposed to be exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I felt like, personally, I was pretty cringe,
Speaker 1: but like that's also me and I think that about
Speaker 1: myself mostly always, So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think the one house down from the Girl next
Speaker 2: Door is such a so clever thank you who came
Speaker 2: up with that? Me? That's it's so clever, Thank you
Speaker 2: so much. We just put Mike, do we just put
Speaker 2: it on something? Yes, Women Higher Country? So so I
Speaker 2: programm Women of by Our Country the show, and so
Speaker 2: I go through and listen to stuff, and I just
Speaker 2: saw the title even before I listened to it. I
Speaker 2: was like, that is so clever of a title, and
Speaker 2: obviously the song is great. So I don't know how
Speaker 2: where did that come from? Such a vague, stupid question,
Speaker 2: but I really it's so clever. I like, like, what
Speaker 2: was the genesis of even that thought?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: The last single that I put out before this project
Speaker 1: was a song called Makeup, and it's literally about like
Speaker 1: breaking family, like trauma cycles essentially, and I felt like
Speaker 1: I had more to say on it, but I wanted
Speaker 1: it to be in more of a fun way. So
Speaker 1: I feel like I could have written that song in
Speaker 1: a bunch of different ways, but ultimately it's just about
Speaker 1: feeling kind of like on the outside looking in, I
Speaker 1: was very envious up of the other families and they
Speaker 1: all looked really perfect to me, and mine wasn't. And
Speaker 1: I had this kind of feeling that I carried around
Speaker 1: with me that I was other or blemished in some
Speaker 1: kind of way. And then I met my husband and
Speaker 1: he is like the golden all American, you know boy,
Speaker 1: and he saw my story as just like strength and
Speaker 1: like resilience and just like I don't know, he really
Speaker 1: like embraced it and thought it was really admirable of
Speaker 1: everything that I had done, and he loved me for
Speaker 1: exactly who I was, and so it just I felt
Speaker 1: like it was like who knew? Like everything you were
Speaker 1: looking for was one house now with the girl next door,
Speaker 1: and like a line at it is like I wasn't
Speaker 1: the daughter of the Joneses, but you saw the blue
Speaker 1: sky in my hurricane. So it's just kind of like
Speaker 1: I think true acceptance comes from within. But this song
Speaker 1: is about somebody like loving you for you and your story,
Speaker 1: and I think that can be really healing too.
Speaker 2: I feel like I could be wrong, Like even talking
Speaker 2: about that, you get a little bit emotional. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: I felt like there you got a little little bit.
Speaker 2: I just think the title is so clever, but also
Speaker 2: I feel I feel it a bit too. When you're like, like,
Speaker 2: there are things that I think I was ashamed of
Speaker 2: growing up that My wife's like, dang, you actually did
Speaker 2: that and got through that. Yeah, but I was so
Speaker 2: ashamed of it like that, I didn't even want to
Speaker 2: talk about it much less. I can't believe somebody would
Speaker 2: think like you said that that's admirable.
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like that.
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, but for somebody to be like dang,
Speaker 1: like no, like you and look where you are now,
Speaker 1: that is amazing, Like that makes you so special. And
Speaker 1: so to kind of like switch the narrative and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I am that person coming from where I came from,
Speaker 1: and I'm excited about that now.
Speaker 2: When you're like this is the name of the EP,
Speaker 2: this is the song, were like, I nail that title. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I walked in that day.
Speaker 1: I was like, I've got a song title for you,
Speaker 1: and the writers were like, let's go.
Speaker 2: That's such a good title and concept that if I
Speaker 2: had written it wrong this song, I would have kept
Speaker 2: it and moved it and tried it again.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 1: And I and the thing was is I could have
Speaker 1: written that song five times, Like it could have been
Speaker 1: like a really sad, slow song, It could have been
Speaker 1: all of these things. But I love the way that
Speaker 1: it turned out, like it's so fun and empowering, but
Speaker 1: in a very subtle way, like you don't listen to
Speaker 1: it and feel all these emotions.
Speaker 2: But for me, it does this project more than your
Speaker 2: past work. Do you feel like you've been given freedom
Speaker 2: to be more emotional in your songs and maybe say
Speaker 2: things that have a little more nuance, or maybe you've
Speaker 2: given yourself the freedom to do so. Do you feel that, Yes,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: I think it's so important. I mean, I just feel
Speaker 1: like I'm just growing as a writer, growing and growing,
Speaker 1: and my songs are just getting better and better. And
Speaker 1: that's just as a result of my time here in
Speaker 1: the community of songwriters my A and R. Actually, Katie Kirkover,
Speaker 1: I was playing her some songs and she.
Speaker 3: Was like, did you go through that?
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, about like this other song
Speaker 1: that I wrote, And She's like, I just want you
Speaker 1: to start writing songs.
Speaker 3: And I wrote songs that I'm like, I don't think
Speaker 3: this heard just.
Speaker 1: Really personal songs, very intimate songs, very looking back. I
Speaker 1: kind of like looked at some experiences in love and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to write about this, and like
Speaker 1: this was a really cool thing and just really dove
Speaker 1: in and I'm really proud of it, like as a
Speaker 1: songwriter more than anything. But yeah, I mean, having a
Speaker 1: label that just gives you permission to just kind of
Speaker 1: go for it like that is really cool.
Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Speaker 5: Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a hard question to answer,
Speaker 2: and don't laugh it off. You to really try to
Speaker 2: answer this question because I hate when I'm asked this question.
Speaker 2: But why do you think that people like you?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, like immediately what popped in
Speaker 3: my head? And I'm like, what do they?
Speaker 1: I don't know? Which is just that says everything I guess,
Speaker 1: But I think I think it's something about ony. I
Speaker 1: think that I've had a few songs like in my
Speaker 1: catalog where I've been very vulnerable and honest.
Speaker 3: I think people connect to that.
Speaker 2: Let's let's not talk about fans, Let's talk about your friends.
Speaker 2: Why do you think your friends like you? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think I'm a good friend. I think I show
Speaker 1: up for people. I think that I'm not afraid to
Speaker 1: ask hard questions. I think I like, I really desire
Speaker 1: having a deep connection with people more than anything, Like
Speaker 1: I want to have a real conversation. I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk like about the weather. I want to kind
Speaker 1: of get into it. And people are sometimes afraid to
Speaker 1: have those conversations.
Speaker 3: And I'm not.
Speaker 1: And so I feel like I'm a friend that people
Speaker 1: can go to and be like, I'm going through this
Speaker 1: really hard thing, like I need some help, and I'm
Speaker 1: like a safe place to do that.
Speaker 2: Why do you think your husband loves you.
Speaker 3: I think for maybe some of the same reasons.
Speaker 1: Like he's like he has said before, like I felt
Speaker 1: like I was asleep before I met you, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like you kind of like opened this whole other
Speaker 1: world and emotional world. And he grew up down here,
Speaker 1: and I think like he was just in the system
Speaker 1: kind of thinking like you know, you do this and
Speaker 1: you do that, and everything is happens a certain way,
Speaker 1: and this is what your life's going to look like.
Speaker 1: And then we met and I was like, you can
Speaker 1: do anything you want, Like you could be an astronaut.
Speaker 1: Really if you wanted to like you could do anything,
Speaker 1: and I think there's just like a freedom and strength.
Speaker 1: And I think he was like very attracted to something
Speaker 1: different than him, and he like kind of keeps me
Speaker 1: grounded and on earth. And I think that I shake
Speaker 1: it up and so we make a kid.
Speaker 3: We make a good partnership, for sure.
Speaker 2: I love that exercise because it's so hard to get
Speaker 2: people to say nice things about themselves because they feel
Speaker 2: like they're going to sound arrogant or cocky. And sometimes
Speaker 2: people don't even know until they really think. It's hard.
Speaker 3: That's a hard no. I was literally like, that's that's.
Speaker 2: Why I press it with I'm serious. I'm being serious
Speaker 2: about this, and I hate that.
Speaker 1: The first thing that I thought was like do they
Speaker 1: like which is just you know, same, which is sad
Speaker 1: that it shouldn't be like that, because I know I
Speaker 1: have I have great friends, I have great relationships in
Speaker 1: my life, like I'm you know.
Speaker 2: And sometimes you gotta sometimes I have to remind myself,
Speaker 2: you know what I am kind of cool? Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: I mean really, because I for sure constantly it's always
Speaker 2: what is not good, what is not working? And so
Speaker 2: my therapists was the same thing. What they ask me
Speaker 2: a question to make me say something good, and it's
Speaker 2: so uncomfortable totally. But then when I'm done, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't hate me as much as I thought I did.
Speaker 2: Why do you think? Like you mentioned Dustin, you mentioned
Speaker 2: Keith Urban, but you work with both those guys on
Speaker 2: the project. Dustin is on the same label as you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's a natural. If he enjoys what you do,
Speaker 2: you enjoy it he does. It's easy because you just
Speaker 2: sign a couple of things. Everything's in house. What about Keith?
Speaker 2: How did you guys start working together?
Speaker 1: So when Zach and I finished the production for a
Speaker 1: One House Down, I thought it sounded like reminiscent of
Speaker 1: kind of like an old Keith song. And I literally
Speaker 1: said to Zach I knew that he knew him. I said,
Speaker 1: would you text him this song and ask him to
Speaker 1: play soolo on it? And Zach was like, Okay, he's.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean he's like, I'd give it.
Speaker 1: Nineteen percent chance that he says yes, And I said
Speaker 1: I'll take nineteen percent and he said yes.
Speaker 3: So you just got to go like why not?
Speaker 1: The worst he can say is no or like not reply,
Speaker 1: But he replied and said the song is killer, like
Speaker 1: I would love to And then you know, came that
Speaker 1: week and I don't know why, Like Keith is like
Speaker 1: very famous and like my hero, Like I don't know
Speaker 1: why he heard that and was like, yeah, I'll play
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 3: That just I think says so much about him.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's just like such a music. Why do you
Speaker 2: think Keith Urban wanted I'm not going to let you
Speaker 2: do that. Why do you think Keith Urban agreed to
Speaker 2: play on your song?
Speaker 1: I think because it's a great song. I think he's
Speaker 1: a great song. It's a great idea.
Speaker 2: I don't think you were being self deprecating there, like
Speaker 2: to be like ha hambi, I mean we just naturally
Speaker 2: go there.
Speaker 1: No, I know, but it I do think that for
Speaker 1: Keith to play on like I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: ever seen my name before, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: for him to get this song of somebody even better
Speaker 1: and hear it and be like I'm going to play
Speaker 1: on that. This song is great, Like that is awesome.
Speaker 1: I feel like that says so much about him, and
Speaker 1: that also says so much about the song as well too.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's really cool. Yeah, for sure, the first time
Speaker 2: you heard it, Oh my gosh, where were you? Would
Speaker 2: you listen to it only because you get file right
Speaker 2: and it's.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually, well, I got a
Speaker 1: video of him playing.
Speaker 3: The solo crazy yeah on it's so good.
Speaker 1: The video is amazing and he's just shredding it. I
Speaker 1: don't know how many takes it. I feel like it
Speaker 1: was one. It's so good and it's so Keith Urban,
Speaker 1: Like it's like warn't weren't. Like it's everything I could
Speaker 1: have wanted it to be. And I was literally driving
Speaker 1: and almost crashed.
Speaker 3: My car, no joke.
Speaker 1: I was like, what, like because I just thought the
Speaker 1: whole time, like something's gonna come up, like because I
Speaker 1: knew he was coming on Monday to do it, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, but like he's freaking Keith Urban, Like
Speaker 1: you know, Nicole is going to need him somewhere.
Speaker 3: He's gonna like have to cancel. Like I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was just scared, you know.
Speaker 1: I keep my hopes on dreams on the floor of
Speaker 1: the bars, on the floor, I always say. But then
Speaker 1: and then Zach just sent me that video and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is the greatest video I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: It's super cool, it's awesome. There's six songs on the
Speaker 2: on the EP. Did you was it at seven or eight?
Speaker 2: Was it a three or four? And you had it
Speaker 2: like we was to get to that number? What happened?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never had a harder time picking songs for
Speaker 1: a project. There's two that I'm like, are I guess
Speaker 1: left on the cutting room floor that I love so much.
Speaker 3: That I mean, I think that they'll have their story elsewhere.
Speaker 1: But it was literally just you know, packaging it to
Speaker 1: a digestible amount and having to choose, which was really tough.
Speaker 2: So what's the goal in releasing music? Do you want to?
Speaker 2: You have this Keith as an example, he will put
Speaker 2: out singles like four or five of them over a
Speaker 2: year and a half and never put out a project. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then finally he's like and here's the rest, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and here's twelve songs after he's put out four or
Speaker 2: five singles, Like, what is your desirable way to release music?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, like I like the way that
Speaker 1: I think there's a science behind why people release music
Speaker 1: the way they do. I feel like when an artist
Speaker 1: goes dark for a minute and then they released one
Speaker 1: song you're very excited about the one song, you fall
Speaker 1: in love with the one song, they put another one out.
Speaker 1: Then you get the projects Like I feel like ideally,
Speaker 1: I mean, I really want to make.
Speaker 3: A full length record.
Speaker 1: That's of course a big dream of mine, and it
Speaker 1: to how like a cohesive story, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: that's really cool for it to feel like they all
Speaker 1: make sense with each other, and it's very clear, like
Speaker 1: what direction you're going in.
Speaker 3: So that's like a huge goal.
Speaker 1: But I just try to think of, like how do
Speaker 1: I like to digest music. I remember years ago John
Speaker 1: Mayer released Songs and Waves.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: Like, I thought that was so cool and he I
Speaker 1: think it was like three songs or four songs at
Speaker 1: a time.
Speaker 3: I love that because that was so amazing. I don't
Speaker 3: know why.
Speaker 1: And you were just so excited about the next wave
Speaker 1: of songs that were gonna come out.
Speaker 3: So I feel like there's like a bunch of different
Speaker 3: ways to do it.
Speaker 2: I used to be a big album guy, and then
Speaker 2: I slowly, like TikTok culture take me over in that
Speaker 2: I just don't have the attention span. Yeah, And what
Speaker 2: happened was and I think that I was losing out
Speaker 2: because there was a lot of great music that I
Speaker 2: wouldn't get to mm hmm. And I think I would
Speaker 2: miss out on great songs because I'd go through once
Speaker 2: and save like three of them and really never give
Speaker 2: songs an opportunity to breathe. Therefore, I missed out on
Speaker 2: so many great songs. So then yeah, when John may
Speaker 2: here did that, I loved it. Yeah, because it was
Speaker 2: three songs listen to five or six times, really got
Speaker 2: to and if I loved them, I keep them. If not,
Speaker 2: where if somebody puts out twelve songs, I unfairly, yeah,
Speaker 2: probably don't give them the attention that they deserve. And
Speaker 2: I'm only gonna listen to twelve songs on an album
Speaker 2: if I love love the artists too, Like I've got
Speaker 2: to be an a plus fan to listen to an
Speaker 2: entire album.
Speaker 1: It's a lot like the double albums and stuff. It's
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of a lot of music to digest,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: So the rest of the year, like what happens between
Speaker 2: now and like Christmas?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we I feel like we just got
Speaker 1: back from our last IS show in Sacramento, But things
Speaker 1: come up so often as well, So I don't want
Speaker 1: to like say that, like, you know, there's always like, oh,
Speaker 1: this person dropped out of this weekend of shows and stuff,
Speaker 1: so who knows. But starting to write a little bit
Speaker 1: and it's so crazy and like I just put this
Speaker 1: thing out and it's like Okay, start writing again, like
Speaker 1: what's mex which is exciting, and just continue to I
Speaker 1: mean the world of like promotion is just like creating
Speaker 1: content and new ideas and how do we you know,
Speaker 1: get these songs heard and in a creative way and stuff.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a lot of brainstorming, a lot
Speaker 1: of filming, a lot of you.
Speaker 2: Know, are you tick talking every day? Are you every
Speaker 2: day trying to do something? Try to Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't say, like, I mean, I've had songs
Speaker 1: do great on TikTok. I've got you know, a decent
Speaker 1: you know, amount of followers and stuff on TikTok. It's
Speaker 1: definitely like not my favorite thing about this, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd rather play the show and like do write the
Speaker 1: song and record the music and stuff.
Speaker 3: But I think it's cool that you can connect with
Speaker 3: your fans every single day.
Speaker 1: It's like the modern day putting your sometimes it's poster
Speaker 1: on the well.
Speaker 3: I mean I could go. I mean it's just such.
Speaker 1: A secular thing goes around. It's like it's good and bad.
Speaker 1: It's oversaturated. I feel like we're all just screaming into.
Speaker 3: A canyon like lessen to I saw Please.
Speaker 1: Like over and over. Like my whole news feed is
Speaker 1: just like overwhelming. Because I follows somebody like artists and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot, for sure.
Speaker 2: It is definitely a tool. That's how I have to
Speaker 2: look at it. Yeah, because if it used wrong mm hmm,
Speaker 2: it's terrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If used right, it's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I kind of fit somewhere in the middle and
Speaker 2: do it both ways. You know. I saw jelly roll
Speaker 2: just like I'm out on Twitter. Yeah, that's such a
Speaker 2: toxic place. Yeah, I now I don't respond to people
Speaker 2: on Twitter anymore. Have them aren't even real anyway? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get way too, like I want to fight people.
Speaker 3: It's but it's psychological violence. It's messed up.
Speaker 1: It really is what people think that they can say
Speaker 1: about other people. It surprises me every day when all
Speaker 1: like read something and I'm like, who are you? Are
Speaker 1: you like a regular person like who says like that
Speaker 1: to anybody, it's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I've assigned myself to not responding, and I'm using it
Speaker 2: as a tool because I think I gave it too
Speaker 2: much of a space ye to actually worry about caring
Speaker 2: about what people thought there. Yeah, when that place, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if it's Facebook and Twitter's now assessble like
Speaker 2: they want to not care. Yeah, they want it's it's
Speaker 2: so like there's great from it and then there's really
Speaker 2: terrible from it. Yeah, And I think if people going
Speaker 2: into it understand that it's not real either way, the
Speaker 2: best and the worst.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think though I'm a little worried, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like as artists and people in this industry were
Speaker 1: often very insecure.
Speaker 2: We're often while we do it, we're looking for love.
Speaker 1: We're just looking for love. We're like very self deprecating,
Speaker 1: like whatever. And now we're like kind of in front
Speaker 1: of this camera with this filter on and we're staring
Speaker 1: at ourselves all day, and like I'm like, I don't know, Like.
Speaker 3: I just am worried.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're all just so sensitive to and
Speaker 1: then you're I mean, you're exposing yourself to all of that,
Speaker 1: Like every single day. It's just it's an added like
Speaker 1: a mental health element to this that I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's hard.
Speaker 1: I worry about, like I don't know some people with it,
Speaker 1: like if they couldn't handle that aspect of it that
Speaker 1: they bow out And you're like, I know, but you're
Speaker 1: so talented, Like it shouldn't be whether or not you're
Speaker 1: mentally strong enough to handle that.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just feels like we're going to miss out on
Speaker 1: some really great artists.
Speaker 2: I mean never thought about it like that. That's super interesting,
Speaker 2: and that my generation was the first to really have
Speaker 2: social media and so there was no mental health about
Speaker 2: what happens because of it.
Speaker 1: M hmmm.
Speaker 2: Where I think now it has gotten extremely violent at
Speaker 2: times online, but I think now there's an understanding though
Speaker 2: of what it can do to people. And I think
Speaker 2: we're now starting to see an understanding too of there
Speaker 2: being a of a need for mental health understanding with
Speaker 2: social media. Yeah, I didn't have that as a kid,
Speaker 2: have that as a kid, you know, when we started
Speaker 2: using it, But now hopefully, yeah, they're starting to be
Speaker 2: an understanding of how it affects mental health, yes, and
Speaker 2: that it's being taught. Maybe how do you hope so
Speaker 2: I know? Otherwise it's just death. I can't look at
Speaker 2: comments to anything I know. I start. I feel I
Speaker 2: should feel liked on social media because I have a
Speaker 2: big fun But I go on social media. I go
Speaker 2: to like the by Bone Show page. I'm the most
Speaker 2: hated man in America on my own page. It's so
Speaker 2: bizarre where I go twice a year. That's it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And those are the rules I put on myself because
Speaker 2: I know how it makes me feel. But it took
Speaker 2: me a long time to get there because it did
Speaker 2: not make me feel good. And I would just keep
Speaker 2: going back, searching, wanting to get it. But it's but
Speaker 2: that if that doesn't tell you, because we have, you
Speaker 2: know whatever, a million amount of people. I'm just that
Speaker 2: faith Facebook's I don't get on Facebook anyway, but just
Speaker 2: an example. Yeah, it's ugly anyway, but I should go there.
Speaker 2: That's a page that celebrates me and my friends and
Speaker 2: what we've built. I'm the most hated man in America
Speaker 2: on that page. It's so often. It should be the
Speaker 2: one place I should go if I'm having a down.
Speaker 1: Days the crap out of me come on, confusing it's
Speaker 1: so confused.
Speaker 3: It really is. That's so confusing on your own stuff.
Speaker 2: The one thing I have learned about social media, though,
Speaker 2: if you just do it consistently, your numbers go way up.
Speaker 2: Like just like, continue to do it. I put up
Speaker 2: the stupidest video the other day. I was like, let
Speaker 2: me test this out, because you have you bring in
Speaker 2: these consultants come in or people like an agency will
Speaker 2: get on and be like, this is what we've learned
Speaker 2: about the algorithm. Nobody knows anything. However, they'll go if
Speaker 2: you do his post every day. So I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna put up stuid stuff for a while.
Speaker 2: And I put up the dumb like dumbest three videos
Speaker 2: all three days, and they went crazy. I shouldn't care, right,
Speaker 2: I just talked about mental health. I shouldn't care. I
Speaker 2: still care, of course, but it's like if I just
Speaker 2: put something stupid up sometimes I focus on it's going
Speaker 2: to be great, yeah, or if I just put up
Speaker 2: it should be quality over quantity. It's not. How if
Speaker 2: you just thought up quantity, like you end up winning
Speaker 2: that bull crab. Yeah, that's why it's bull crap totally,
Speaker 2: and that's why some people are stars. Because they just
Speaker 2: do quantity, not as so we do quality, especially you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a fan. I'm super happy that we were
Speaker 2: able to do this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2: I just again, the first time I saw One House
Speaker 2: Down from the Girl next Door, I was like, that's
Speaker 2: so clever. Everything has been written every single way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it feels like that, right, every song has been written
Speaker 2: every way. And when I read that before, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's the holy p we were just going through music.
Speaker 2: I was like that. I already liked the song before
Speaker 2: I even heard it. I was like, if that's that concept,
Speaker 2: I was just like lightning strike. So that did that
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 3: Oh I love that, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so check out. I mean that's the whole
Speaker 2: name of the project. It's six songs. I don't know anything,
Speaker 2: what about anything else. People should follow you on social media,
Speaker 2: but only write nice comments.
Speaker 3: Sensitive.
Speaker 2: Okay, you have your name, which is nice because you
Speaker 2: have a unique name.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yes, I didn't get my name. Oh yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: It sucks, mister Bobby Bones. They can't even get my
Speaker 2: freaking name made La Marlowe. Hey, good job here, thank you.
Speaker 2: That's cool and they we're playing bar fight, right, Mike, yep, sweet,
Speaker 2: I love that one, I hope.
Speaker 3: So it's good that one. I'm very proud of BLA.
Speaker 3: Actually I'm proud.
Speaker 2: Of all of them, but that was why I would
Speaker 2: have been like, oh no, I hate that one. We're like,
Speaker 2: why do we do this interview if you hate? Like, okay,
Speaker 2: well dude, spend a second on that. Why did you
Speaker 2: react that way? Why do you love bar fight? Oh?
Speaker 3: I'm so proud of it.
Speaker 1: I had this like very I mean, I was like,
Speaker 1: remember it was like a middle of an idea. I'm like,
Speaker 1: my heart and my mind are in a bar fight
Speaker 1: over you, and I just am like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: Like the heart is out of control, it's flipping tables,
Speaker 1: it's like freaking out, and then the mind is like
Speaker 1: running after it.
Speaker 3: Like I had this whole like movie in my head and.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is gonna be an epic song
Speaker 1: and it was and it is.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. I like, I like confident mad one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: I'm working on it.
Speaker 2: Cool. All right, you guys follow at Madeline and I
Speaker 2: will see you sometime very soon. I'm sure. All right,
Speaker 2: if we had an applause room, we'd all applaud, but
Speaker 2: we don't, so we just ended awkwardly perfect cool.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 5: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.