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Speaker 2: I did not know she was on Songland. Do you

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Speaker 2: know that? I didn't know that. Huh? And Songland just

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Speaker 2: took like really good songwriters. Her name is Madeline Merlow.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed talking with her. I have this thing

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Speaker 2: Somewhere over the Rainbow, and I was kind of it Somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Madelinemurlow signed Recordhill at eighteen. She did a bunch of

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Speaker 2: so she lives here like she is. Fully she's a

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Speaker 2: Women of Our Country. And here she is, mad Madelene

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Speaker 2: madeleyn Madeleine Merlou. Here you go, Madelin. How's it going good?

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Speaker 2: I saw good? I was watching just Dustin Lynch's Instagram.

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Speaker 2: You guys just did the opry. Yeah that's cool.

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Speaker 1: It was when we so me and Dustin were doing

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Speaker 2: Did ask me, so you have your own parking spot. Yep,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I chose that song just because it like

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Speaker 3: Game changer.

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Speaker 2: Why for you? When say win for you? Because I

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Speaker 2: One, I appreciate being open about that and even mentioning

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Speaker 2: just even mentioning the facts out of nowhere, Like yeah, therapy,

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Speaker 1: It's like you're I always say, and I always just

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Speaker 2: Did they help you? Right? Meaning? And I want to

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But I think like, yeah, I mean at your like

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Speaker 3: In this situation, you just don't have as much perspective.

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00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,359
Speaker 1: And so then when I'm out of the situation, I

443
00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,280
Speaker 1: can turn around and see, you know, what was happening,

444
00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,520
Speaker 1: and just.

445
00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:17,919
Speaker 3: Like a different perspective of it.

446
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Speaker 1: And I think that's what therapy does, is it like

447
00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,199
Speaker 1: opens stuff up and gives you perspectives on situations and

448
00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,680
Speaker 1: validates your experiences and your emotions and stuff to help

449
00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,680
Speaker 1: you understand them better, which I think makes me a

450
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Speaker 1: better songwriter.

451
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Speaker 2: I was very wrong about thinking I would lose my age,

452
00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,720
Speaker 2: and I agree with what you're saying, but I had

453
00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,640
Speaker 2: to I was very concerned that if I got right, yeah,

454
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Speaker 2: I would lose what got me to that point. But

455
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Speaker 2: then what I kind of learned was because therapies it's

456
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,200
Speaker 2: weirdly intimate. Right, you don't know the person, oh for sure,

457
00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,439
Speaker 2: you're saying things and it's a dance. Especially when you

458
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,719
Speaker 2: first go you're like, ah, do I trust you?

459
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Speaker 3: Yeah, You're like, do I omit this or what?

460
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Speaker 2: And then when I we would write and you know,

461
00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,359
Speaker 2: I don't write like you doub but I write comedy

462
00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,920
Speaker 2: stuff or just when i'd write books. It helped me be,

463
00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,280
Speaker 2: It helped me share more intimately exactly, so much more

464
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,520
Speaker 2: so than it actually made me better. It was very

465
00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,359
Speaker 2: counter what I thought was going to happen. Yeah, because

466
00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,640
Speaker 2: of me going, I got to realize who I really am.

467
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,840
Speaker 2: And also that being kind of open about it actually

468
00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,679
Speaker 2: allows more growth. And I wasn't as scared to share,

469
00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,200
Speaker 2: for sure. And co writes are very intimate times. But

470
00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 2: you and somebody and you're like, here's what happened to me,

471
00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,880
Speaker 2: and it sucked, Like writing.

472
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Speaker 1: Intimates it, Oh yeah for sure, and you feel like, Okay,

473
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Speaker 1: I want to write this type of song and like

474
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Speaker 1: you got it's going to be the right room that

475
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, some songwriters just have a gift of making

476
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Speaker 1: you feel very safe in the room until you kind

477
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Speaker 1: of save that for that. But I think that's exactly it.

478
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,840
Speaker 1: It's like it's made me a more of an open person.

479
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Speaker 1: And I think with my little platform that I have,

480
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, and you, I'm sure how

481
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,480
Speaker 1: many people have heard your story and have fell seen

482
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's important. I mean, we're only here for

483
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,119
Speaker 1: a short amount of time, and it's like, if you

484
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 1: can make one person feel like understood in their experiences

485
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,240
Speaker 1: or in their story, like, that's pretty awesome.

486
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Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

487
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Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: Can I see a very cliche question? You ever met

489
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Speaker 2: Sania Twain?

490
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 3: I have?

491
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the ultimate cliche Canadian question.

492
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

493
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, at some point I was gonna ask it so licious.

494
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Speaker 1: I actually got to do at the Canadian Country Music Awards.

495
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Speaker 3: She was hosting, and I got to do a tribute

496
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Speaker 3: to her while she watched you.

497
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Speaker 1: She yeah, she comes on stage at the end, so

498
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Speaker 1: I have a photo of me and her.

499
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Speaker 2: Wait, you performed a tribute to her while she I

500
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 2: would die. I'd be a wreck. I was, I'd be

501
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Speaker 2: a wreck.

502
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Speaker 3: It was insane and what was sad too?

503
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Speaker 1: I mean we were It was me and two other

504
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Speaker 1: girls and we were all so nervous, like this is

505
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Speaker 1: as a Canadian girl, your hero, Like she was my

506
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Speaker 1: first concert.

507
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Speaker 3: She was like made me think I could do this.

508
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Speaker 3: The whole thing. We were rereaking out and then I remember.

509
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 1: Just like the trolls were like this is trash and

510
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 1: we got so much like hate and people just and

511
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: their opinions and stuff and you know they vocally sound

512
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 1: bad or whatever it was, and it was like we

513
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,199
Speaker 1: were so nervous, Like it was just felt like the

514
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Speaker 1: biggest moment, you know, in our lives so far.

515
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Speaker 2: Remove the troll part for a second, because that had

516
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Speaker 2: to happen. You had to see that.

517
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, a tribute you just you just get that,

518
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: because do you They don't feel like, yeah.

519
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Speaker 2: You can never do it as good as the original.

520
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 2: It's like a cover covers or it's like a sequel

521
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 2: to a movie. None of them are really as good

522
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 2: as the original because they're almost not allowed to be

523
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 2: because the original. So before, how did you feel while

524
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: you were doing it or how did you feel when

525
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Speaker 2: you were asked to do it? Because I think that's

526
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Speaker 2: pretty amazing.

527
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Speaker 3: It was insane.

528
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Speaker 1: I honestly think like there was I got a call

529
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: about like that it might be happening, and then I

530
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 1: remember I got a text from like the music director

531
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Speaker 1: was like, hey, so here's what you're going to be

532
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: singing it just like this very I sang one of

533
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: her new songs. So I mean I think one girl

534
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 1: started with man, I feel like a woman, Then I

535
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 1: forget the second one. Then I sang live spot to

536
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Speaker 1: get good, and then we sang Who's Then I sang

537
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Speaker 1: Who's bet of your boots Been under? And then she

538
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: came out after so we kind of like alded like

539
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Speaker 1: little bits of her songs.

540
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Speaker 2: Did she come out and rehearsal?

541
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my gosh, she did. And she was so

542
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 3: like telling us like, oh, try this and try that

543
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Speaker 3: and like.

544
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Speaker 1: Walk on beat and was like very excited for us

545
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Speaker 1: and like a fun aunt is the only way like

546
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Speaker 1: I could explain it. She was. Yeah, she was awesome.

547
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Speaker 1: It was really really special.

548
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Speaker 2: What's a week like for you now?

549
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 3: Just depends.

550
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Speaker 1: I mean I feel like we've been on the road

551
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: a lot playing shows.

552
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Speaker 3: I still play a lot in Canada's.

553
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: Whiles a lot of times, you know, crossing the border up, up,

554
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: back and forth.

555
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Speaker 2: I still guarantee so bigger up there because you have

556
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Speaker 2: a history for sure. Yeah, that's awesome to be able

557
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Speaker 2: to go and make money.

558
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Speaker 1: Yeah it isn't Canadian dollars though, so anyway, have a backover.

559
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't really shake out to what it is up there.

560
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: But do you know that you know the actual difference.

561
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Speaker 1: I think it's like seventy two cents to the dollar

562
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 1: or something.

563
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Speaker 2: But still you're probably making good enough up there to

564
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Speaker 2: take care of it.

565
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Speaker 3: For sure, able to do it. I mean touring. I

566
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Speaker 3: don't think people realize how expensive it is to.

567
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Speaker 2: Do again tour.

568
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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

569
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Speaker 2: I'm going to say the thing that I just said

570
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: a minute ago, and I'm so annoying when I do this.

571
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Speaker 2: But I was just having this conversation yesterday with my friend.

572
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Speaker 2: You know, George Burge is the artist. So George has

573
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 2: a number one song hit the song Mind on You,

574
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Speaker 2: and he has a song that's probably gonna be a

575
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Speaker 2: number one again. And he was talking about opening for

576
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Speaker 2: an artist and he was the baby act, and we

577
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 2: were talking about and this wasn't a microphone because George

578
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: is a dear friend of mine. He was like, we

579
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 2: were making just enough to almost break even. Yeah, like

580
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Speaker 2: taking oh big shows, but as the baby act, like

581
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: not a bus, a van, having to pay the band,

582
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Speaker 2: You're making fifteen hundred dollars a show. Yeah. And then

583
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: he's like, by the time we would get back, if

584
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: I was down seventy bucks, that was a win.

585
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely so when you talk about.

586
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Speaker 2: That, that's I mean, that's the reality of it. It's

587
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: hard to make money. Yeah, touring, just straight up for sure.

588
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: And it's gritty too, right, Like you're on the road

589
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: and you're in a van and you're driving and you're tired,

590
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: and then you come home and your nake in the

591
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: deficit and you're.

592
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: Like everyone else got paid and like it's.

593
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Speaker 1: My name on the thing, that's why we're all here.

594
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Speaker 1: It's like it's hard on like the psyche sometimes too,

595
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: but like it it's so enjoyable, like playing shows is

596
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: the best part of this whole thing that it somehow

597
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: like you're.

598
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: Just still do it.

599
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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's like it you really do love

600
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: it that much for you to do a full weekend

601
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Speaker 3: and be down seventy dollars and still be like.

602
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Speaker 2: That was sweet, though, Why do you keep going? I

603
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: don't know, Like, what's what's the ultimate goal?

604
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 3: Great question?

605
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: I feel like the with this business trying to understand

606
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: that the goal line just can take and used to

607
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: move like I mean, I would set goals for myself

608
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: and then hit the goals and then you're like okay,

609
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: like what's next. You don't even sit there and really

610
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: enjoy it. It's it's pretty crazy.

611
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 3: And so I don't know. I would love to just

612
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: be able to.

613
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: Like do this and make music and tour and play

614
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: shows and support a family and but yeah, I mean

615
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: putting like specific things, it's difficult. I've thought about that

616
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: a lot.

617
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Speaker 2: Are you able to enjoy successes?

618
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think I have had a Like

619
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Speaker 1: I started super young, and I feel like my career

620
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: I've been like a few degrees of separation of like

621
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Speaker 1: really cool things for a while, Like I am such

622
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: a like inch by inch by inch by inch, like

623
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: it has gone so slow for me, and it's always

624
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: I mean, like, for example, my producer Zat Crowell, the

625
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: reason why we met is because that Dustin duet with

626
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Porter that was like a six week number one.

627
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 3: I auditioned for that song and I thought I did

628
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 3: such a great job and it.

629
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Speaker 1: Went so well, and that's how I met Zach and

630
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: him obviously, like I didn't get that, but it led

631
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Speaker 1: to a relationship with us.

632
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: But like I was, like, I was so close.

633
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: That was such a huge song that you know could

634
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: have been me or before I signed because I'm over

635
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: at BBR.

636
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 3: Now I did a showcase in town. The labels came out.

637
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: Had one label literally looked me in the eem and

638
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: be like get ready, like Monday, there's gonna be a

639
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: deal on your table.

640
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my gosh.

641
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: And then they were like, we just signed another girl.

642
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: I was so crushed. I like remember just like dropping

643
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: my phone and just sobbing, like I was so close,

644
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: Like how did what happened over the weekend.

645
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: So there's been a few times that it's just.

646
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: Like gut hunt, you know, and then then something magical

647
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: happens and then folsy right back in again. And I've

648
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 1: had a lot of magical things and random incidences and

649
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: just opportunities fall my lap out of the sky at

650
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: the same time too.

651
00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 3: That had been so great.

652
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: When let's use an example when BBR says, hey, we

653
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: want to sign you. Yeah, can you enjoy and celebrate

654
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: that before you start to worry about that?

655
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it was cool. After that other label

656
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: didn't sign me, I went and bought a bottle of

657
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: champagne and wrote, we'll sign a US for record deal

658
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: and put it on. I was like to I'm like,

659
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: this is happening, Like I'm tired of this, like this

660
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: just needs to happen. And it was within the year

661
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: that I that they offered me a deal, which is

662
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: pretty cool. But yeah, I mean, yeah, you're stressed there

663
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: because there's like a long period of time where you're

664
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: in negotiations in the contracts the whole time, and then

665
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: people are like, did you get the contract yet? I'm like,

666
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: stop asking me that, like stress that they're going to

667
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: change their mind or it's not going to come through

668
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: or and then you get the deal and then you're like,

669
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: now you got to keep the deal.

670
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: It's just it never ends, you know.

671
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, never For me, I'm I struggle. I can't control

672
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: my thoughts, but I try to control my thinking a

673
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: bit where I don't yeah, where I don't lose myself.

674
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: But if something happens, I'm pumped before I'm able to

675
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: really enjoy it, I'm like, Okay, well this will fall

676
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 2: apart if I don't abc like I really I've gotten

677
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: a little better at it, but I have trouble with

678
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: identifying why I should be happy about something before I

679
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: move the goalpost, because I know they're gonna I know

680
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: they're gonna move, just like you mentioned a minute ago,

681
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: they're gonna move. Yeah, if I get a TV show,

682
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: I should be happy for a minute that I just

683
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: got the show instead of worrying about how it's gona

684
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 2: fail if I don't get ratings exactly. Yeah, so now

685
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: there are lots of therapy. I can go, well, you're

686
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: really gonna unravel very soon. However, we're going to take

687
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 2: this day before we fully unravel. Yeah, and enjoy this

688
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: for sure. Would you do you feel like you're a

689
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 2: positive generally a positive person.

690
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: Yes, I do, yeah, And I think that's why I'm

691
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: able to still be here and still be doing it

692
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: and still be trying it, because.

693
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: I think it's like all about your attitude.

694
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, I mean, people

695
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: have hard jobs, you know, and I wake up and

696
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: write songs like I'm very blessed, like I'm really really lucky.

697
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: But I totally agree, Like the opera is a great

698
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: example of me like intentionally standing there being like I

699
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: set this goal for myself and I'm freaking here and

700
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm standing in the circle and I accomplish what I did,

701
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: Like I felt very allowed myself to feel very very

702
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: proud of myself.

703
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: And celebrate that and will continue to.

704
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: So I feel like when it does happen for me,

705
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really sweet because I've worked really hard

706
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: and waited my turn and put the work in. So yeah,

707
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: I feel like having a longer journey on the back

708
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: end just allows you to be more grateful for it

709
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: when it finally you know, you do get those opportunities

710
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: to come.

711
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: It's very nice of you to say, wait, I don't

712
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: feel like you've waited turn. I feel like you just

713
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: get up once you get knocked down, and yeah, you're

714
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: gonna eventually take your turn. Yeah, because you're not much

715
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: of a waiter. But I think you can't be a waiter.

716
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: You have to take the blows. Yeah, because in this world,

717
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: this industry, anything creative, the blows are going to happen life,

718
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: I mean life, and absolutely yeah, the blows are going.

719
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: And you know, it's never about if you're gonna get

720
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: back up, it's how quickly can you get back up?

721
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: If somebody called me and said you get a record deal,

722
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: and they call a couple of days laters, they never mind.

723
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 2: Yeah that sucks. Yeah, how do you trust anybody ever

724
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: again to say we're gonna work on a record deal

725
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: like that would be I would be burnt out immediately. Yeah,

726
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask another question you probably get asked, but

727
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: what's the my Little pone the cartoon then my Little Pony. Yeah,

728
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: you had a voice, so what was was that a

729
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: real job? Assistant job? What was the job?

730
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: No?

731
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: No, I honestly, this was so long ago, which is

732
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: just hilarious, like ten years ago, right, yeah, like it's

733
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 1: just floated around and I'll get comments to you on time,

734
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: be like your Sonata dusk and because.

735
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: That was that's how you say it, I wasn't gonna

736
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: try to say it.

737
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: Yes, So I sang the vocals like I sang a

738
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: lot of pad like harmony like vocals for the soundtrack

739
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: for this my Little Pony movie, and did all the

740
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: vocal parts for this pony named Sonata, and like it's

741
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: like my littling Battle of the Bands or something like that.

742
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: And I remember I made like a few thousand dollars

743
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is so sick. This is like,

744
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have anything at the time, and

745
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: she has followed me around, you know, and people love

746
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: that movie.

747
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: I guess I.

748
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: Don't know, So how did you get that.

749
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 3: Job, I think.

750
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: So I was in this like vocal group, like a

751
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: glee club adjacent thing, and somebody in the group like,

752
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was just a really random I

753
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: just got a call for They were like, oh, you're

754
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: a singer, and I remember I had like staying country

755
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: music and listened to it a ton and they kept

756
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: being like, okay, you have a little twang in your voice,

757
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: like stop singing it like that.

758
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I'm sorry.

759
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: And they wrote to check for a couple thousand bucks. Yeah. Yeah,

760
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: was it a one time thing? Another couple of things?

761
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: Because you did background vocals on Jelly Roll and Cole, Yeah,

762
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: a couple of their songs. You probably have done way

763
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: more than that. Yeah, So how did you get those jobs?

764
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: Were you just doing that generally, just trying to make

765
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: money at first?

766
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: Honestly what they.

767
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: Come do as the artist?

768
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

769
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: No.

770
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: So, so I started working with Zach and we were

771
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: writing together a bunch and.

772
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: He called me one day and he was like, I'm

773
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: doing Cole song. He's Carolina.

774
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: He's like a remake of this song from the nineties,

775
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: and I want to put Jody Messina's part in it

776
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: because it's in a different key. She's kind of like

777
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: sounds like a chipmunk or whatever, like.

778
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: Can you come proof of concept.

779
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: It's not going in the record, but I just want

780
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: to see what it would sound like if we can

781
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: like mimic her voice. And I remember I was like, okay,

782
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: so this is like I mean, I just get my car,

783
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: drive to Forest Hills or whatever and sing this thing

784
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: that's not going to be in the song.

785
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: No one's going to hear it placeholder.

786
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

787
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: It's really high too, so I like squeak it out

788
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: and he's like, sweet, this sounds awesome, thank you, and

789
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: I leave. And then literally like a week later, he's

790
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: like cool, loves it, like it's going to stay.

791
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my gosh. And then became

792
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: like the biggest song ever.

793
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: And then Zach called me for the Jelly Row record.

794
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: I did some sam Hunt stuff. I've sang some and

795
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: dust and stuff. The new Chevrolet song that just went

796
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: number one with him and Jelly. That's me singing the

797
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: background of that song and Zach will just turn me

798
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: up and I'll be things, So do.

799
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: You sing that as loud and pure as possible? Right

800
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: then he just turns you down.

801
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: What do you mean? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I mean.

802
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: You're just singing the crap out of here.

803
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 3: He's like, just go off flake, just saying.

804
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: And that's the thing like I grew up listening to

805
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: Like I was obsessed. I really obsessed with Rascal Flats

806
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: and I would copy all of Gary's runs. And I

807
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: love Big Belters and Martina and singers and stuff. So

808
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: my favorite part of the recording process is the ad

809
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: lib track. I'm like, let me go, And that's what

810
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: Zach would do, like just sing like a bunch of stuff,

811
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: sing some harmonies, sing some ad libs.

812
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: So it's really creative, it's really fun.

813
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: And then I just get surprised about like what ends

814
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: up in it. And sometimes I feel like it's it

815
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: like adds a lot to it, and I'm yeah.

816
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: Grateful for Sometimes I think I called Zach and be like,

817
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: why do you turn me up a little bit? Yeah?

818
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: Like I was a little too low? Yeah, Like I really,

819
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: I know it's background, but give me, give me just

820
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: a little bit more.

821
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, there's a song on the New Jelly

822
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: Roll record that I sang some and I'm like listening,

823
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I in here.

824
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: I can farely hear myself.

825
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: That's funny. Uh. What the ad libs are interesting. Some

826
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: people hate the ad libs because you have to be

827
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: vulnerable do ad libs, meaning you're just free to do

828
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: whatever you want. And to do great ad libs you

829
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: have to be stupid and great and bad and because

830
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: it's a playground. Yeah, and to nail it, you have

831
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: to experiment.

832
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: It's just like going for it. But it's what's the

833
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: craziest thing about it. And it's similar to you know,

834
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: keithur been ripping a guitar solo. It's coming to him

835
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: in real time through his brain to his hands and

836
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: out like it is happening in real time.

837
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: And same thing with that.

838
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: It's just like you're just singing and you're coming up

839
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: with these different notes and combinations and you just kind

840
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: of like let something else do it. And so it's

841
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: really fun, I think, but then you miss so hard.

842
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 3: And it's very embarrassing.

843
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah for you very vulnerable.

844
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

845
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: But that's how you get greatness, is to allow the

846
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: opportunity for a disaster to happen. Like exactly. You don't

847
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 2: get the really great unless you make yourself so vulnerable

848
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: that you get kicked on the nuts. You don't have

849
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: nuts but me to get kicked on the nuts. Yeah,

850
00:34:52,760 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 2: so you act right, I had done. I didn't watch it,

851
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: but I mean, honestly, I didn't watch Country Crush.

852
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't.

853
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 2: Watch it, but I watched a couple of clips of it,

854
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: and I didn't know if that was like something you

855
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: did it from being a kid all the way until now. No,

856
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: because of my little pony in the Country Crush, I

857
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: was just doing a homework.

858
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 3: I like it.

859
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: I like it.

860
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: No, I have just been a girl that will I

861
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: was terrified for that. I had no acting experience. I

862
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: think I did like something really Yeah, I did some

863
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: like commercial auditions and stuff, and then I did musical theater,

864
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: but they like heard me or saw me on the

865
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: internet and they were like, she looks like our character,

866
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: she sings like our character.

867
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: Can she act?

868
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: And I was like not really, and yeah, and we

869
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: did it. Jana Kreamer's in the movie as well, and

870
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: so it was awesome, Like it was a fun experience

871
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: and it actually the money I made for that movie,

872
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: which wasn't like a ton, but it was enough to

873
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: actually help me move to Nashville, so that's really cool.

874
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 3: I was like, I'll do it.

875
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: And it's like a silly Hallmark key movie where I

876
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: played a country singer, so it was easy to kind

877
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: of cosplay. But yeah, I'm not an actress. I'm just

878
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: somebody ready to work.

879
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: Nerve wrack jump into. It was that though, because again

880
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: have a very small window of acting. I did a

881
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: little movie once, Vanessa Hudgens, but I had like nine lines.

882
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

883
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: I did a bunch of Nashville where I started off

884
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: as an extra and then eventually that had me playing

885
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: myself doing lines with Connie Britton. But I felt I

886
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: go back to being vulnerable. I felt so vulnerable because

887
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: I'm with people who do this all the time. Yeah,

888
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 2: and their expectation is they should all nail it because

889
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 2: they're all professionals. And I get dragged in and they're like,

890
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 2: you have four lines with Connie Britton on Nashville, all

891
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: the camera, and I'm like, I just want to screw

892
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 2: this up. Yes, what was your feeling like acting?

893
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 3: I was.

894
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: I mean I was completely terrified for sure, and the

895
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: same thing I was just I felt really out of

896
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: my element.

897
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: Everybody.

898
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: I was the only non actor around, everybody knew what

899
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: they were doing, so I leaned really heavily on my

900
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: co star.

901
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 3: We became really good.

902
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: Friends, and I for like every line, I'd be like, wow,

903
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: should I say this?

904
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: Like I was so lost.

905
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: But I also think that there was like a level

906
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: of like naivity going into it, Like I really didn't know.

907
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: It's hard, long hour, like actors are. It is so

908
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: such a gritty thing to.

909
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: Do long hours, and you're really just having to just

910
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: like buy into the whole thing. And really, I mean

911
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: it's very impressive what they do. And so I felt

912
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: like I was like lost, in secure the whole process really,

913
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: but I did it.

914
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. How do you feel about watching yourself back?

915
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's hard. I think it's hard to

916
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: find the perspective. I mean now I watch a music

917
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: video back and I'm like, oh, like it's just I

918
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: don't like, I'm like, wow, so cool.

919
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: I'm too like, I don't know, self deprecating to really

920
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: enjoy it.

921
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: I mean, it is that movie is like a whole

922
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: market movie. It's supposed to be you know what it is.

923
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: Exactly.

924
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 3: It's very but it's supposed to be exactly.

925
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I felt like, personally, I was pretty cringe,

926
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: but like that's also me and I think that about

927
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: myself mostly always, So I don't know.

928
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: I think the one house down from the Girl next

929
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: Door is such a so clever thank you who came

930
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: up with that? Me? That's it's so clever, Thank you

931
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: so much. We just put Mike, do we just put

932
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: it on something? Yes, Women Higher Country? So so I

933
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: programm Women of by Our Country the show, and so

934
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: I go through and listen to stuff, and I just

935
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: saw the title even before I listened to it. I

936
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: was like, that is so clever of a title, and

937
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: obviously the song is great. So I don't know how

938
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: where did that come from? Such a vague, stupid question,

939
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: but I really it's so clever. I like, like, what

940
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: was the genesis of even that thought?

941
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: Yeah? Thank you so much.

942
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: So.

943
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: The last single that I put out before this project

944
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: was a song called Makeup, and it's literally about like

945
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: breaking family, like trauma cycles essentially, and I felt like

946
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: I had more to say on it, but I wanted

947
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: it to be in more of a fun way. So

948
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: I feel like I could have written that song in

949
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of different ways, but ultimately it's just about

950
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: feeling kind of like on the outside looking in, I

951
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: was very envious up of the other families and they

952
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: all looked really perfect to me, and mine wasn't. And

953
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: I had this kind of feeling that I carried around

954
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: with me that I was other or blemished in some

955
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: kind of way. And then I met my husband and

956
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: he is like the golden all American, you know boy,

957
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: and he saw my story as just like strength and

958
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: like resilience and just like I don't know, he really

959
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: like embraced it and thought it was really admirable of

960
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: everything that I had done, and he loved me for

961
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: exactly who I was, and so it just I felt

962
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: like it was like who knew? Like everything you were

963
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: looking for was one house now with the girl next door,

964
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: and like a line at it is like I wasn't

965
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: the daughter of the Joneses, but you saw the blue

966
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: sky in my hurricane. So it's just kind of like

967
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 1: I think true acceptance comes from within. But this song

968
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: is about somebody like loving you for you and your story,

969
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: and I think that can be really healing too.

970
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: I feel like I could be wrong, Like even talking

971
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: about that, you get a little bit emotional. Yeah, like

972
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: I felt like there you got a little little bit.

973
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 2: I just think the title is so clever, but also

974
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: I feel I feel it a bit too. When you're like, like,

975
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: there are things that I think I was ashamed of

976
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: growing up that My wife's like, dang, you actually did

977
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: that and got through that. Yeah, but I was so

978
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: ashamed of it like that, I didn't even want to

979
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 2: talk about it much less. I can't believe somebody would

980
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 2: think like you said that that's admirable.

981
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like that.

982
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, but for somebody to be like dang,

983
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: like no, like you and look where you are now,

984
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: that is amazing, Like that makes you so special. And

985
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: so to kind of like switch the narrative and be like, yeah,

986
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: I am that person coming from where I came from,

987
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: and I'm excited about that now.

988
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: When you're like this is the name of the EP,

989
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: this is the song, were like, I nail that title. Yeah.

990
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 3: I walked in that day.

991
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: I was like, I've got a song title for you,

992
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: and the writers were like, let's go.

993
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: That's such a good title and concept that if I

994
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: had written it wrong this song, I would have kept

995
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: it and moved it and tried it again.

996
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 3: For sure.

997
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: And I and the thing was is I could have

998
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: written that song five times, Like it could have been

999
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: like a really sad, slow song, It could have been

1000
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: all of these things. But I love the way that

1001
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: it turned out, like it's so fun and empowering, but

1002
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: in a very subtle way, like you don't listen to

1003
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: it and feel all these emotions.

1004
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: But for me, it does this project more than your

1005
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 2: past work. Do you feel like you've been given freedom

1006
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: to be more emotional in your songs and maybe say

1007
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: things that have a little more nuance, or maybe you've

1008
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: given yourself the freedom to do so. Do you feel that, Yes,

1009
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: for sure.

1010
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: I think it's so important. I mean, I just feel

1011
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: like I'm just growing as a writer, growing and growing,

1012
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: and my songs are just getting better and better. And

1013
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: that's just as a result of my time here in

1014
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: the community of songwriters my A and R. Actually, Katie Kirkover,

1015
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: I was playing her some songs and she.

1016
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 3: Was like, did you go through that?

1017
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, about like this other song

1018
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: that I wrote, And She's like, I just want you

1019
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: to start writing songs.

1020
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 3: And I wrote songs that I'm like, I don't think

1021
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 3: this heard just.

1022
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: Really personal songs, very intimate songs, very looking back. I

1023
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: kind of like looked at some experiences in love and

1024
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to write about this, and like

1025
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: this was a really cool thing and just really dove

1026
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: in and I'm really proud of it, like as a

1027
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: songwriter more than anything. But yeah, I mean, having a

1028
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: label that just gives you permission to just kind of

1029
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 1: go for it like that is really cool.

1030
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

1031
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 5: Bobby Cast.

1032
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a hard question to answer,

1033
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: and don't laugh it off. You to really try to

1034
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 2: answer this question because I hate when I'm asked this question.

1035
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: But why do you think that people like you?

1036
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, like immediately what popped in

1037
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 3: my head? And I'm like, what do they?

1038
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: I don't know? Which is just that says everything I guess,

1039
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: But I think I think it's something about ony. I

1040
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: think that I've had a few songs like in my

1041
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: catalog where I've been very vulnerable and honest.

1042
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: I think people connect to that.

1043
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 2: Let's let's not talk about fans, Let's talk about your friends.

1044
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 2: Why do you think your friends like you? Oh?

1045
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: I think I'm a good friend. I think I show

1046
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: up for people. I think that I'm not afraid to

1047
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: ask hard questions. I think I like, I really desire

1048
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: having a deep connection with people more than anything, Like

1049
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: I want to have a real conversation. I don't want

1050
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: to talk like about the weather. I want to kind

1051
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: of get into it. And people are sometimes afraid to

1052
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: have those conversations.

1053
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 3: And I'm not.

1054
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: And so I feel like I'm a friend that people

1055
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: can go to and be like, I'm going through this

1056
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: really hard thing, like I need some help, and I'm

1057
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: like a safe place to do that.

1058
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: Why do you think your husband loves you.

1059
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: I think for maybe some of the same reasons.

1060
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: Like he's like he has said before, like I felt

1061
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: like I was asleep before I met you, Like I

1062
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: feel like you kind of like opened this whole other

1063
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: world and emotional world. And he grew up down here,

1064
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: and I think like he was just in the system

1065
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: kind of thinking like you know, you do this and

1066
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: you do that, and everything is happens a certain way,

1067
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: and this is what your life's going to look like.

1068
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: And then we met and I was like, you can

1069
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: do anything you want, Like you could be an astronaut.

1070
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: Really if you wanted to like you could do anything,

1071
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: and I think there's just like a freedom and strength.

1072
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: And I think he was like very attracted to something

1073
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: different than him, and he like kind of keeps me

1074
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: grounded and on earth. And I think that I shake

1075
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: it up and so we make a kid.

1076
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: We make a good partnership, for sure.

1077
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: I love that exercise because it's so hard to get

1078
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: people to say nice things about themselves because they feel

1079
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: like they're going to sound arrogant or cocky. And sometimes

1080
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 2: people don't even know until they really think. It's hard.

1081
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 3: That's a hard no. I was literally like, that's that's.

1082
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: Why I press it with I'm serious. I'm being serious

1083
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: about this, and I hate that.

1084
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: The first thing that I thought was like do they

1085
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,959
Speaker 1: like which is just you know, same, which is sad

1086
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: that it shouldn't be like that, because I know I

1087
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: have I have great friends, I have great relationships in

1088
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: my life, like I'm you know.

1089
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: And sometimes you gotta sometimes I have to remind myself,

1090
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: you know what I am kind of cool? Yeah, Like

1091
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: I mean really, because I for sure constantly it's always

1092
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: what is not good, what is not working? And so

1093
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: my therapists was the same thing. What they ask me

1094
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: a question to make me say something good, and it's

1095
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: so uncomfortable totally. But then when I'm done, I'm like, oh,

1096
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: I don't hate me as much as I thought I did.

1097
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: Why do you think? Like you mentioned Dustin, you mentioned

1098
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: Keith Urban, but you work with both those guys on

1099
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: the project. Dustin is on the same label as you. Yeah,

1100
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: so that's a natural. If he enjoys what you do,

1101
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: you enjoy it he does. It's easy because you just

1102
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: sign a couple of things. Everything's in house. What about Keith?

1103
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: How did you guys start working together?

1104
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: So when Zach and I finished the production for a

1105
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: One House Down, I thought it sounded like reminiscent of

1106
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: kind of like an old Keith song. And I literally

1107
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: said to Zach I knew that he knew him. I said,

1108
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: would you text him this song and ask him to

1109
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: play soolo on it? And Zach was like, Okay, he's.

1110
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean he's like, I'd give it.

1111
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: Nineteen percent chance that he says yes, And I said

1112
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: I'll take nineteen percent and he said yes.

1113
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 3: So you just got to go like why not?

1114
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,959
Speaker 1: The worst he can say is no or like not reply,

1115
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: But he replied and said the song is killer, like

1116
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: I would love to And then you know, came that

1117
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: week and I don't know why, Like Keith is like

1118
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: very famous and like my hero, Like I don't know

1119
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: why he heard that and was like, yeah, I'll play

1120
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: on it.

1121
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 3: That just I think says so much about him.

1122
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: Okay, he's just like such a music. Why do you

1123
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: think Keith Urban wanted I'm not going to let you

1124
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: do that. Why do you think Keith Urban agreed to

1125
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: play on your song?

1126
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: I think because it's a great song. I think he's

1127
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: a great song. It's a great idea.

1128
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: I don't think you were being self deprecating there, like

1129
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: to be like ha hambi, I mean we just naturally

1130
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: go there.

1131
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: No, I know, but it I do think that for

1132
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: Keith to play on like I don't know if he's

1133
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: ever seen my name before, you know what I mean,

1134
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: for him to get this song of somebody even better

1135
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: and hear it and be like I'm going to play

1136
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: on that. This song is great, Like that is awesome.

1137
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: I feel like that says so much about him, and

1138
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: that also says so much about the song as well too.

1139
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah that's really cool. Yeah, for sure, the first time

1140
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 2: you heard it, Oh my gosh, where were you? Would

1141
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: you listen to it only because you get file right

1142
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: and it's.

1143
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually, well, I got a

1144
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,959
Speaker 1: video of him playing.

1145
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: The solo crazy yeah on it's so good.

1146
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: The video is amazing and he's just shredding it. I

1147
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: don't know how many takes it. I feel like it

1148
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: was one. It's so good and it's so Keith Urban,

1149
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 1: Like it's like warn't weren't. Like it's everything I could

1150
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: have wanted it to be. And I was literally driving

1151
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: and almost crashed.

1152
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: My car, no joke.

1153
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: I was like, what, like because I just thought the

1154
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: whole time, like something's gonna come up, like because I

1155
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: knew he was coming on Monday to do it, and

1156
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, but like he's freaking Keith Urban, Like

1157
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, Nicole is going to need him somewhere.

1158
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: He's gonna like have to cancel. Like I don't know.

1159
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: I was just scared, you know.

1160
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: I keep my hopes on dreams on the floor of

1161
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: the bars, on the floor, I always say. But then

1162
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: and then Zach just sent me that video and I

1163
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: was like, this is the greatest video I've ever seen.

1164
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: It's super cool, it's awesome. There's six songs on the

1165
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: on the EP. Did you was it at seven or eight?

1166
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: Was it a three or four? And you had it

1167
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 2: like we was to get to that number? What happened?

1168
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never had a harder time picking songs for

1169
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: a project. There's two that I'm like, are I guess

1170
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 1: left on the cutting room floor that I love so much.

1171
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: That I mean, I think that they'll have their story elsewhere.

1172
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: But it was literally just you know, packaging it to

1173
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: a digestible amount and having to choose, which was really tough.

1174
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 2: So what's the goal in releasing music? Do you want to?

1175
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: You have this Keith as an example, he will put

1176
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: out singles like four or five of them over a

1177
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: year and a half and never put out a project. Yeah,

1178
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: and then finally he's like and here's the rest, Yeah,

1179
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: and here's twelve songs after he's put out four or

1180
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: five singles, Like, what is your desirable way to release music?

1181
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, like I like the way that

1182
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: I think there's a science behind why people release music

1183
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: the way they do. I feel like when an artist

1184
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: goes dark for a minute and then they released one

1185
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: song you're very excited about the one song, you fall

1186
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: in love with the one song, they put another one out.

1187
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: Then you get the projects Like I feel like ideally,

1188
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I really want to make.

1189
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 3: A full length record.

1190
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: That's of course a big dream of mine, and it

1191
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: to how like a cohesive story, Like I feel like

1192
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: that's really cool for it to feel like they all

1193
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: make sense with each other, and it's very clear, like

1194
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: what direction you're going in.

1195
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 3: So that's like a huge goal.

1196
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: But I just try to think of, like how do

1197
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: I like to digest music. I remember years ago John

1198
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: Mayer released Songs and Waves.

1199
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 3: Do you remember that?

1200
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: Like, I thought that was so cool and he I

1201
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: think it was like three songs or four songs at

1202
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: a time.

1203
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 3: I love that because that was so amazing. I don't

1204
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 3: know why.

1205
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: And you were just so excited about the next wave

1206
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: of songs that were gonna come out.

1207
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 3: So I feel like there's like a bunch of different

1208
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: ways to do it.

1209
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: I used to be a big album guy, and then

1210
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 2: I slowly, like TikTok culture take me over in that

1211
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: I just don't have the attention span. Yeah, And what

1212
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: happened was and I think that I was losing out

1213
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 2: because there was a lot of great music that I

1214
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't get to mm hmm. And I think I would

1215
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 2: miss out on great songs because I'd go through once

1216
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 2: and save like three of them and really never give

1217
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: songs an opportunity to breathe. Therefore, I missed out on

1218
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: so many great songs. So then yeah, when John may

1219
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: here did that, I loved it. Yeah, because it was

1220
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: three songs listen to five or six times, really got

1221
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: to and if I loved them, I keep them. If not,

1222
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: where if somebody puts out twelve songs, I unfairly, yeah,

1223
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: probably don't give them the attention that they deserve. And

1224
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: I'm only gonna listen to twelve songs on an album

1225
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 2: if I love love the artists too, Like I've got

1226
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: to be an a plus fan to listen to an

1227
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 2: entire album.

1228
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: It's a lot like the double albums and stuff. It's

1229
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of a lot of music to digest,

1230
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: for sure.

1231
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: So the rest of the year, like what happens between

1232
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: now and like Christmas?

1233
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we I feel like we just got

1234
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: back from our last IS show in Sacramento, But things

1235
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: come up so often as well, So I don't want

1236
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: to like say that, like, you know, there's always like, oh,

1237
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: this person dropped out of this weekend of shows and stuff,

1238
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: so who knows. But starting to write a little bit

1239
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: and it's so crazy and like I just put this

1240
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: thing out and it's like Okay, start writing again, like

1241
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: what's mex which is exciting, and just continue to I

1242
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: mean the world of like promotion is just like creating

1243
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: content and new ideas and how do we you know,

1244
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: get these songs heard and in a creative way and stuff.

1245
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: So I think it's a lot of brainstorming, a lot

1246
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: of filming, a lot of you.

1247
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: Know, are you tick talking every day? Are you every

1248
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: day trying to do something? Try to Yeah?

1249
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1250
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't say, like, I mean, I've had songs

1251
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: do great on TikTok. I've got you know, a decent

1252
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: you know, amount of followers and stuff on TikTok. It's

1253
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: definitely like not my favorite thing about this, Like I mean,

1254
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: I'd rather play the show and like do write the

1255
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: song and record the music and stuff.

1256
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: But I think it's cool that you can connect with

1257
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 3: your fans every single day.

1258
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: It's like the modern day putting your sometimes it's poster

1259
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: on the well.

1260
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: I mean I could go. I mean it's just such.

1261
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: A secular thing goes around. It's like it's good and bad.

1262
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: It's oversaturated. I feel like we're all just screaming into.

1263
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 3: A canyon like lessen to I saw Please.

1264
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: Like over and over. Like my whole news feed is

1265
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: just like overwhelming. Because I follows somebody like artists and stuff.

1266
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot, for sure.

1267
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 2: It is definitely a tool. That's how I have to

1268
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 2: look at it. Yeah, because if it used wrong mm hmm,

1269
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 2: it's terrible.

1270
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1271
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 2: If used right, it's awesome.

1272
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1273
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: And I kind of fit somewhere in the middle and

1274
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: do it both ways. You know. I saw jelly roll

1275
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: just like I'm out on Twitter. Yeah, that's such a

1276
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 2: toxic place. Yeah, I now I don't respond to people

1277
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: on Twitter anymore. Have them aren't even real anyway? Yeah,

1278
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: I get way too, like I want to fight people.

1279
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 3: It's but it's psychological violence. It's messed up.

1280
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: It really is what people think that they can say

1281
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: about other people. It surprises me every day when all

1282
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: like read something and I'm like, who are you? Are

1283
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: you like a regular person like who says like that

1284
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: to anybody, it's it's unbelievable.

1285
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: I've assigned myself to not responding, and I'm using it

1286
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: as a tool because I think I gave it too

1287
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: much of a space ye to actually worry about caring

1288
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: about what people thought there. Yeah, when that place, it

1289
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if it's Facebook and Twitter's now assessble like

1290
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: they want to not care. Yeah, they want it's it's

1291
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: so like there's great from it and then there's really

1292
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: terrible from it. Yeah, And I think if people going

1293
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 2: into it understand that it's not real either way, the

1294
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: best and the worst.

1295
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: Totally.

1296
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think though I'm a little worried, Like I

1297
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: feel like as artists and people in this industry were

1298
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 1: often very insecure.

1299
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: We're often while we do it, we're looking for love.

1300
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: We're just looking for love. We're like very self deprecating,

1301
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: like whatever. And now we're like kind of in front

1302
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: of this camera with this filter on and we're staring

1303
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: at ourselves all day, and like I'm like, I don't know, Like.

1304
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 3: I just am worried.

1305
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: I feel like we're all just so sensitive to and

1306
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: then you're I mean, you're exposing yourself to all of that,

1307
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: Like every single day. It's just it's an added like

1308
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: a mental health element to this that I don't know.

1309
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 3: It's hard.

1310
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: I worry about, like I don't know some people with it,

1311
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: like if they couldn't handle that aspect of it that

1312
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: they bow out And you're like, I know, but you're

1313
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: so talented, Like it shouldn't be whether or not you're

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Speaker 1: mentally strong enough to handle that.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't know.

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00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: It just feels like we're going to miss out on

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Speaker 1: some really great artists.

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Speaker 2: I mean never thought about it like that. That's super interesting,

1319
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: and that my generation was the first to really have

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00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: social media and so there was no mental health about

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00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: what happens because of it.

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Speaker 1: M hmmm.

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Speaker 2: Where I think now it has gotten extremely violent at

1324
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 2: times online, but I think now there's an understanding though

1325
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: of what it can do to people. And I think

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00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: we're now starting to see an understanding too of there

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00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: being a of a need for mental health understanding with

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00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: social media. Yeah, I didn't have that as a kid,

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00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 2: have that as a kid, you know, when we started

1330
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: using it, But now hopefully, yeah, they're starting to be

1331
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: an understanding of how it affects mental health, yes, and

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00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: that it's being taught. Maybe how do you hope so

1333
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 2: I know? Otherwise it's just death. I can't look at

1334
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: comments to anything I know. I start. I feel I

1335
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 2: should feel liked on social media because I have a

1336
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: big fun But I go on social media. I go

1337
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: to like the by Bone Show page. I'm the most

1338
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: hated man in America on my own page. It's so

1339
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 2: bizarre where I go twice a year. That's it. Yeah,

1340
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 2: And those are the rules I put on myself because

1341
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: I know how it makes me feel. But it took

1342
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 2: me a long time to get there because it did

1343
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: not make me feel good. And I would just keep

1344
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: going back, searching, wanting to get it. But it's but

1345
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 2: that if that doesn't tell you, because we have, you

1346
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 2: know whatever, a million amount of people. I'm just that

1347
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: faith Facebook's I don't get on Facebook anyway, but just

1348
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: an example. Yeah, it's ugly anyway, but I should go there.

1349
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 2: That's a page that celebrates me and my friends and

1350
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 2: what we've built. I'm the most hated man in America

1351
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 2: on that page. It's so often. It should be the

1352
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: one place I should go if I'm having a down.

1353
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: Days the crap out of me come on, confusing it's

1354
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 1: so confused.

1355
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 3: It really is. That's so confusing on your own stuff.

1356
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 2: The one thing I have learned about social media, though,

1357
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: if you just do it consistently, your numbers go way up.

1358
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: Like just like, continue to do it. I put up

1359
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 2: the stupidest video the other day. I was like, let

1360
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 2: me test this out, because you have you bring in

1361
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: these consultants come in or people like an agency will

1362
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: get on and be like, this is what we've learned

1363
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 2: about the algorithm. Nobody knows anything. However, they'll go if

1364
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: you do his post every day. So I was like,

1365
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna put up stuid stuff for a while.

1366
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 2: And I put up the dumb like dumbest three videos

1367
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 2: all three days, and they went crazy. I shouldn't care, right,

1368
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: I just talked about mental health. I shouldn't care. I

1369
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: still care, of course, but it's like if I just

1370
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: put something stupid up sometimes I focus on it's going

1371
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: to be great, yeah, or if I just put up

1372
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 2: it should be quality over quantity. It's not. How if

1373
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: you just thought up quantity, like you end up winning

1374
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: that bull crab. Yeah, that's why it's bull crap totally,

1375
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: and that's why some people are stars. Because they just

1376
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 2: do quantity, not as so we do quality, especially you. Yeah,

1377
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a fan. I'm super happy that we were

1378
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 2: able to do this.

1379
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, thank you so much for having me.

1380
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 2: I just again, the first time I saw One House

1381
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: Down from the Girl next Door, I was like, that's

1382
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: so clever. Everything has been written every single way. Yeah,

1383
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: it feels like that, right, every song has been written

1384
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: every way. And when I read that before, I was like, oh,

1385
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: that's the holy p we were just going through music.

1386
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 2: I was like that. I already liked the song before

1387
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 2: I even heard it. I was like, if that's that concept,

1388
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: I was just like lightning strike. So that did that

1389
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 2: to me.

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Speaker 3: Oh I love that, Thank you so much.

1391
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, so check out. I mean that's the whole

1392
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: name of the project. It's six songs. I don't know anything,

1393
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 2: what about anything else. People should follow you on social media,

1394
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: but only write nice comments.

1395
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Speaker 3: Sensitive.

1396
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 2: Okay, you have your name, which is nice because you

1397
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: have a unique name.

1398
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1399
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: Yes, I didn't get my name. Oh yeah, I know.

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00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: It sucks, mister Bobby Bones. They can't even get my

1401
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: freaking name made La Marlowe. Hey, good job here, thank you.

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00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: That's cool and they we're playing bar fight, right, Mike, yep, sweet,

1403
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,479
Speaker 2: I love that one, I hope.

1404
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 3: So it's good that one. I'm very proud of BLA.

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00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 3: Actually I'm proud.

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00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: Of all of them, but that was why I would

1407
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: have been like, oh no, I hate that one. We're like,

1408
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: why do we do this interview if you hate? Like, okay,

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00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: well dude, spend a second on that. Why did you

1410
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: react that way? Why do you love bar fight? Oh?

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Speaker 3: I'm so proud of it.

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00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: I had this like very I mean, I was like,

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00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: remember it was like a middle of an idea. I'm like,

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00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: my heart and my mind are in a bar fight

1415
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: over you, and I just am like, oh my gosh,

1416
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: Like the heart is out of control, it's flipping tables,

1417
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: it's like freaking out, and then the mind is like

1418
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: running after it.

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00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 3: Like I had this whole like movie in my head and.

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00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: I was like, this is gonna be an epic song

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00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: and it was and it is.

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00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. I like, I like confident mad one. Yeah,

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00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: she's pretty cool.

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00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 3: I'm working on it.

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00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: Cool. All right, you guys follow at Madeline and I

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00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: will see you sometime very soon. I'm sure. All right,

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00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: if we had an applause room, we'd all applaud, but

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00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 2: we don't, so we just ended awkwardly perfect cool.

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Speaker 3: Love it.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.