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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number seventy two.

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Speaker 1: Today the show, we're joined by Randy Newburgh and we're

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Speaker 1: discussing conservation, politics and hunter ethics. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick

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Speaker 1: of Gear. Now today we've got an awesome episode for

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Speaker 1: you as we're talking about one of the most important

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Speaker 1: topics that we ever will here on the Wire Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: and that's conservation. And it's this philosophy of conservation that

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Speaker 1: really is the only reason that we can do what

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Speaker 1: we do today as hunters in the land of tremendous

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Speaker 1: natural resources. So in our episode today, we're going to

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Speaker 1: explore the importance of conservation and many other topics related

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Speaker 1: to it. Enjoining us as a terrific guest, the host

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Speaker 1: of Fresh Tracks with a Randy Newburgh on the Sportsman

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Speaker 1: Channel and an excellent spokesman for hunters, Randy Newburgh. But

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Speaker 1: before we get Randy on the line with us, Dan,

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Speaker 1: this is kind of a strange episode for us, because

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Speaker 1: at this very moment, while people are actually listening to

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Speaker 1: this episode, you and we will actually be in Idaho

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Speaker 1: hunting ELK. Can you believe that I'm Jack Man? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I've been really putting a lot of energy

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Speaker 1: in the fitness category to try to get better. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going overboard as much as some of these

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Speaker 1: for however many years. Yeah, So, assuming that all technically

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Speaker 1: went well, you know, given the fact that right now

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Speaker 1: we're in the mountains, assume that all goes well in

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Speaker 1: this episode launches when it was supposed to launch, and

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Speaker 1: that people are listening to this right now on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: you and me are in day number four, I believe

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Speaker 1: of our hunt and it's you know, let's say Maybes,

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Speaker 1: and people are listening to this in the morning, day

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Speaker 1: number four of our hunt. What do you think you're

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Speaker 1: doing right now while people are listening to this, and

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Speaker 1: how do you think you're feeling. What's your guess. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at this for from the glass glass

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Speaker 1: means we're gonna be halfway home two back to the families,

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Speaker 1: because we've already tagged out. Wow, very optimistic. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna give you the closely, the more um oh, the

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Speaker 1: more realistic idea of what's gonna happen. And that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be you're on some kind of satellite phone. Kept calling

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Speaker 1: exhausted and I have I'm lost, or sending a team

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Speaker 1: of dogs to come and find me. That that could

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Speaker 1: be too oh man, then make for a lot of

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Speaker 1: Type three adventure, that's for sure. No, but I've been

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Speaker 1: so today. I've purchased the last couple of things I

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Speaker 1: I purchased a cow call today. I purchased some rein

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Speaker 1: that we're going to, we we hit the rut. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and how how we can talk about this with other

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Speaker 1: to be you know, it's not just being educated on

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Speaker 1: just as important because they're they're sensitive, I'll put it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Smarts appreciate you having me glad to be here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: getting on dinner, right, Like, Yeah, I don't know if

430
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Speaker 1: that's that ties the circle or ties the blow the

431
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Speaker 1: way you were thinking of with that question, how it looks.

432
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Speaker 1: And I know I'm jaded because let's say that I'm

433
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Speaker 1: a hunter, So I'm gonna look at the values we provide,

434
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: and I'm going to promote the values Honey, he provides.

435
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: But no one can argue those when when it's fact,

436
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: no one cannot they well they can argue with it,

437
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: but great, you know, access acts so you know, like you,

438
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: Like you said, there are some challenges when when having

439
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: these conversations, and there's different ways those conversations can go,

440
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: and especially given the current events, there's a lot of

441
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: people who are rolled up about the stuff. Would you

442
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Speaker 1: have or do you have any advice for our listeners,

443
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: you know, for having this conversation when they're confronted about

444
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: this or you know, Ceasil the lion got killed? Why

445
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: would you? Why would you hunt? And do these different things?

446
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: What's your advice for someone who's in a in a

447
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: conversation like that or even a confrontation. How do we

448
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: effectively communicate about how hunting is conservation, how these things

449
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: go hand in hand. Yeah, and for me I, as

450
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: you can imagine when you have a TV show, when

451
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: you put yourself in profile that I do, you get

452
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: a lot of these conversations on your lap either face

453
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: to face or you get phone calls or the cussory interviews,

454
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: and sometimes that you can tell that it's what the

455
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: slanted view that is going to be a hard discussion

456
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: to have, So I kind of break it up into

457
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: two different discussions. One is, there are people who absolutely

458
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: there's no amount of facts there's going to change their

459
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: mind about HIME, and they'll go at the anti hiving

460
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: groups and it's not so much an opinion based on

461
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: facts and information. For them, it's a belief system. It

462
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 1: is some sort of strange mindset that I don't adhere

463
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: to obviously, and I can't really even follow much of

464
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: a logic. But for them, you could provide them every

465
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: bit of facts out there and you're not going to

466
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: make a difference. So if I end up in that conversation,

467
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: it's pretty much, Hey, I appreciate that you're concerned about animals.

468
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about animals. That's about all we have in common,

469
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: thanks to your time, And I'm not going to frustrate

470
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Speaker 1: myself and engage in a conversation where you are almost

471
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: trying to convert someone to a different belief system. I'm

472
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: almost a different religious here, if you want to call

473
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: it that. And it's kind of like, there's no way

474
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: you would have convinced my Methodist grandmother to be any

475
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: other religion as you could give an old factionalping else.

476
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: But that's kind of what you're dealing with this smaller

477
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: group of people. The bigger discussion is with the people

478
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: who feel that hunting has a place, that are open minded,

479
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: that realize that hunting is a direct connection to our

480
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: food sits. And we all see and we read about

481
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: the recent you know, probably in the last ten years,

482
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: this recent upsurge of Americans wanting to understand whether food comes,

483
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: they want to understand the source of it, the quality

484
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: of it, and that has helped open their minds to

485
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Speaker 1: what hunting is. And so I mean, when I'm having

486
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: that discussion with them, I want to focus on where

487
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: are the common beliefs, the common feelings, And usually it

488
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: is that we have a strong interest in food. We

489
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: usually have a common understanding that healthy landscapes are what

490
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: produced abundant and sustainable food sources. They probably also have

491
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 1: a concern for wild life. We probably have a confirm

492
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: for clean water. And they may not be comfortable with

493
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: themselves converting converting the the wild animals for food. But

494
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: as they think about it, they know they had a

495
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: hamburger yesterday, or they had you know, checking the names

496
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: or taking animes or whatever for breakfast this morning. There

497
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: reaches they reached that point where they cannot deny that

498
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: there's blood on their hands. Also, it's just a matter

499
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Speaker 1: of do you want to take responsibility for it or

500
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Speaker 1: do you not. So when I get into these discussions,

501
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: I don't want on it to be a the the

502
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: latter I yell, the greater the likelihood you're going to

503
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: believe me or ad here to my opinion. I want

504
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: it to be a discussion of here's the values I

505
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: associate with hunting. It's part of my culture, as part

506
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: of where I come from, It's part of who I

507
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: am as my identity. But it also has the food value,

508
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: it has its conservation value, it has all these other

509
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: things that I do. And if you don't agree with hunting, hey,

510
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: I understand that, but I hope you will respect that

511
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: my desire to make the landscapes more robust, to make

512
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: these landscapes more productive, helps not just me who who

513
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: sustainably gets my food from these landscapes, whether it hopefully

514
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: helps you or hopefully you can see that it helps

515
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: you for the reasons that you appreciate the natural world.

516
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: And I found that having that discussion on those terms

517
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: is way easier than trying to just hander them and

518
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: you know, be loud and vocal and say well, this

519
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: is how it is and if you don't like it,

520
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: you're an idiot. It's just you know that Those are

521
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: the two ways that I used me end up in

522
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Speaker 1: that conversation, and I would say most of the time

523
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: it turns out rather favorable. Yeah. So so something in relationshi,

524
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Speaker 1: what you just said there, and then something that I

525
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Speaker 1: heard you mentioned on your first podcast of hunt Talk

526
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Speaker 1: with Randy Newburgh. You and mentioned some people within the

527
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Speaker 1: hunting industry who have a different mindset about how they

528
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: communicate what we're doing, why we're doing it, and then

529
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Speaker 1: how they react to people that don't necessarily agree. Um.

530
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Speaker 1: And this is something that frustrates me, I think in

531
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: the same ways that you do, UM, but I think

532
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: it applies not just to celebrities but also to just

533
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: all hunters, um, and how we carry ourselves, how we

534
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: commune indicate, whether it be you know, in a conversation

535
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: just like this, or what we post on Facebook or

536
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: what we tweet or the pictures we post. Um. Can

537
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: you talk to us a little bit about the potential

538
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: risks of some of this flamboyant hunting behavior or or

539
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, aggressively anti anyone who doesn't you know, hunt.

540
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel there's some really strong risks to

541
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Speaker 1: being like that, to the whacken stack mentality and posting,

542
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: you know, twelve dead deer lying on a garage floor

543
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: with blood everywhere and saying, I don't care what you think.

544
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: Um Am I wrong there, No, I think you're exactly right.

545
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: And that's unfortunately, that's the discussion. The hunting world has

546
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: shied away from it for too long, I think, to

547
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: the point where we're almost afraid of our own Seattle.

548
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: We always run an hide behind this mantra of don't

549
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: don't divide us, don't separate us. I get you know,

550
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, but we also have to look at

551
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: it from the reality. The real perspective is that is,

552
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: you know, these numbers changed slightly based on which there

553
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: they read, but about ten of the country is anti

554
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: hunting are hunters, and it's in the middle that really

555
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: are going to decide what role and what place hunting

556
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: has in our society. As we go for and you

557
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: start doing some of these in your face, uh, sticking

558
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: in their eye, blood guts, very little approved or at

559
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: least the appearance of very little appreciation for the wild

560
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: animals that we are eating. You start going down a path,

561
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: there were that other eighty percent rejects that. Time and

562
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: again they reject that. So to your point, are are

563
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: we running some risks in doing that? I think we're

564
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: running a great risk. And what you're referring to in

565
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: my podcast was there's a well known hunting celebrity that

566
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: really lit up those of us who were trying, who

567
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: try in our messaging to show some reverence for a

568
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: lot of eyes too to that very appreciative to maybe

569
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Speaker 1: what we post, what we display, pictures, we share. Yeah,

570
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 1: we do clean the blood off and when we do

571
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: give try to give a different tone to it. And

572
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: that person just lit us up for being a bunch

573
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Speaker 1: of candy Can I say that whatever you want, being

574
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of candy asses? And you know it annoyed me.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know what, there is nobody in

576
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: the hunting world. I don't care who you are. There

577
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: is nobody in the hunting world who's more important than

578
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Speaker 1: the future of hunting. And I think the TV guys,

579
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: if anything, we have dependency that probably think what more important,

580
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: and we probably are. I mean to mind, just some

581
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: backwoods punk you sell off the lumber shop in Big Falls, Minnesota.

582
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: I view it as my responsibility to do everything I

583
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: can to give hunting a brighter place going forward. And

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Speaker 1: the stuff I often see on Facebook or on whatever

585
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: it might be, and a lot of the TV shows,

586
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: some of the TV shows are absolutely the wrong message.

587
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: And someone say, oh, Randy, you're just saying that because

588
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: it's not your message, And maybe I am. I don't know.

589
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: But when you have people boasting about I made this

590
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: long shot and saw the animal run off and they

591
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: took three more shots to finish it off, or you

592
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: you know the kind of message I'm talking about, that

593
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: is not what we really need to be telling the

594
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: rest of society. If that is what we want as

595
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: an image of hunting, I guess is where I'm one

596
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: of this. That is not the image of hunting. It's

597
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: not our place in society that got us to the

598
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: point where we are today. What got us to the

599
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: point of where we are today. They're back in the

600
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, when wildlife was being wiped off the face

601
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: of North America by the market shooters, by the by

602
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: the people who were profiting from wildlife commerce. The hunter

603
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: stood up and setting enough as enough. And it wasn't

604
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: until Theodore Roosevelt and his friends George George Bird Grennell,

605
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: different ten show. I mean, the list goes on and on.

606
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: They were all hunters, and they stood up and saying,

607
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: in America, we can do better. We can build a

608
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: collective conservation ethic within our society that will be better

609
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: for wildlife and better for the landscape. And so we,

610
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: as hunters step forward. Then as leaders, we step forward.

611
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: In the dirty thirties, the Descolaires and we formed a

612
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: lot of hunting organizations. We engaged in habitat, We started

613
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: taxing ourselves to pay for habitat and pay for wildlife management.

614
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: All the things that we've done to get us to

615
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: where we are today that our parents and grandparents and

616
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: great grandparents did. Wasn't getting on TV and bearing the

617
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: idiot meter. It wasn't getting on Facebook and telling the

618
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: world to go take a leap if you don't like

619
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: what I do, how I do, Dadada. We got to

620
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: where we are today by people thinking about this, by saying, hey,

621
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: I want this to be something society views as a

622
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: benefit to the bigger picture. And I think there are

623
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 1: times that the message that hunting puts out there h

624
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: is detrimental to the cops. And I got a real

625
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: quick get you're gonna get a bunch of emails or

626
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: calls and why do you have that more on the show.

627
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: But I strongly feel that way. So, Randy, how do

628
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: I want to say, probably the majority of hunters, how

629
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Speaker 1: do we talk to those more flamboyant people and tell them,

630
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: you know, it may benefit us as a whole to

631
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: just calm it down a little bit. How do how

632
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: do we talk to those people? Right? When you talk

633
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: to those people that get very defensive, I've had the

634
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: discussions with him. I'll tell you to go pale and

635
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: sand So for me, I just I don't follow him.

636
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: I believe them, I make I use my own platforms

637
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: to counter their message and somewhat ridicule their behaviors. And

638
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: when you talk to them, you're Unfortunately they're some of

639
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: those most slamboyant of the term um are almost as

640
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: obnoxious as the fringe. On the other side, they view

641
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: that this is America. You can't tell me what to do,

642
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: this is my right, blah blah, blah blah blah. You

643
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: know what, they're correct in that system. But if we

644
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: as the collective hunting community are going to let a

645
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: few jackasses form my identity and we're not going to

646
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: stand up and say anything about it, then we're somewhat

647
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: complicit in that process. And I'm not going to just

648
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: then be quiet. And if it upsets a few people

649
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: that would imply that I care that they're upset. No,

650
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: to me and to you guys, hunting is way more

651
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: important to me than some game who having hurt feelings

652
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: that I told them that I thought their behavior wasn't

653
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: beneficial to the got on it, and then as you can,

654
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, go ahead. That's gonna be a debate or

655
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: a discussion that I think happens more and more. And

656
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: and you can almost take that to the to the

657
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: point you got up earlier about you know, this lion

658
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: poaching thing. And I don't necessarily want to compare everything

659
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: to that or drag that in as an equivalent, but

660
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, we as the hunting world are going to

661
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: have to discuss among ourselves when things like that happen.

662
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: Is this really what we want hunting to be seen? So?

663
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: Is this the image in the identity that we are

664
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: telling the society as a whole who we are and

665
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: what value we provide. No, I don't know, And that's

666
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: a hard And then as kind of a follow up

667
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: question to that, when when as a hunter, I know

668
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: that there are realities of hunting, like bad shots that happened, Right,

669
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: So if someone in let's say the hunting industry, and

670
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to I'm gonna play this to you

671
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: Mark just a little bit with the jawbreaker story and

672
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: just to play Devil's advocate for a moment, bad shots

673
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: leading to a non recovery and and ultimately the animal

674
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: suffers and dies. Is that something you know as a hunter?

675
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: I like to see that because it's a reality of hunting.

676
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: Is that something that we should stay away from like

677
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: putting on TV shows or not necessarily writing about, but

678
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: keeping it out of the eyes of that other ten

679
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: you know? That's that's that one lands right on my

680
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: lap because I was lucky. I hunted for thirty four

681
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: years and then never lost an animal. And then in

682
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven I shot a black bear in Alaska.

683
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: I'd lay there, I'd dry fired at him from two

684
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: forty yards while he was sitting in the bed, and

685
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: I just waited and waited, and finally when he got up,

686
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: I made the shot. The bullet hit exactly where I

687
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: thought it should. I thought it was a perfect legal shot. Unfortunately,

688
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: I did not realize that in a black bear of

689
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: that heart and lungs area is lower in their chest

690
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: cavity than I understood it to be. So I hit

691
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: the animal high and I chased the animal until dark.

692
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: I followed blood on my hands and knees. It was

693
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: the most gut wrenching, terrible feeling I've ever had in hunting.

694
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: I hope no one else ever goes through it, but

695
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: I know it happens. And so after that hunt, myself

696
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: and the production crew we got together and said, should

697
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: we really even be showing that? Um, what's what's the story?

698
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: What's the value of demonstrating or providing this? And I

699
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: decided I wanted to show it. I wanted to film

700
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: it in or or have it made into an episode.

701
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: And the reason being is I think we as hunters

702
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: need to understand that occasionally that happens, in spite of

703
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: the best efforts, in spite of all of our follow

704
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: up all of our practice. It can't happen. And it's

705
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: not that it did happen that is the make or break,

706
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 1: but how that person handles it. Do they just say, oh, well,

707
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: I look for ten minutes, I didn't see any blood.

708
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: Post to the next thing. I struggled with that. As

709
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: quick as I hit that bear, I punched my dag

710
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: um because I knew it was illegal head. And even

711
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: though I didn't recover that air um, I wasn't gonna

712
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: go find another one. I've had another episode where I

713
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: hit an elk and I thought I wasn't going to

714
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: recover it. I punched my tag. The next morning, we

715
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: went out searching again, and long behold, we did find

716
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: the ball. He just expired and we salvaged alven eat.

717
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: But those stories were very powerful and compelling stories. Had

718
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: I just said, oh, well, that out too bad for him.

719
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: I still have a tag. I'm gonna go shoot another one.

720
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: I think that's a completely different message. And I read

721
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: about it a lot on some of the web forums

722
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: with guys who say, yeah, I wounded one, but I

723
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: went and shot another one. And I asked myself, is

724
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: our license to take one animal from the population, or

725
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: take as many as it is necessary before we recover

726
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: one that we've taken from the population. And that's each

727
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: hunter's decision. But when we start sharing that message with

728
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: a greater audience, whether it's the hunters themselves or outside there, uh,

729
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: I think we gotta be careful and how we say that.

730
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: And if we don't show some concern and remorse and regret,

731
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: if we've seen callused and and then affected by it,

732
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: the bigger society is gonna say, you know what, that's

733
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: all the regard they have for for these animals that

734
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: they're they're pursuing. Um, maybe hunting doesn't have a place. Yeah,

735
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: it's a it's a tricky angle on on this whole topic.

736
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: And I think, to your point, Randy, the key is

737
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: is how it's handled. And then I think, if it

738
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: is something that's going to the public eye, it's how

739
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: it's communicated. Um. You know, in my case, for example,

740
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: that Dana mentioned a few minutes ago, you know, I

741
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: had a buck this year and wasn't able to recover him. Um,

742
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: and I spent literally two days, twelve hours of daylight

743
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: each twenty four hours tracking and searching and grid searching

744
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: and no hands and needs and doing everything I possibly

745
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: could and it you know, as you as you mentioned

746
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,959
Speaker 1: in your case of the black bear, it absolutely tore

747
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: me to pieces, UM, and I felt horribly, horribly horrible

748
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: about him. And you know, I shared all that through

749
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: our website and our podcast, and I really talked about

750
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: all these things. And you know, for the most part,

751
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: I'm speaking to a serious deer hunting audience who's been

752
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: through those things and who can appreciate the realities of

753
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: the fact that this sometimes happens. But interestingly, I had

754
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: a handful of people of non hunters who listened to

755
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: one of these podcast episodes, UM, who used to work

756
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: with me at a at a past job of mine,

757
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: and you'll almost surprisingly they had reacted positively to that

758
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: in hearing how much a hunter cares about the animal

759
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: that he shoots, and hearing about how much we put

760
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: into it and how emotionally affected and how you know,

761
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: I think sharing that in some way in the right circumstances,

762
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: I think can also communicate the same care and dedication

763
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: that we have to the animals and to wildlife and

764
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: wild places into this hunt in doing it the right way, UM,

765
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: I think it all comes down to the execution of

766
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: the actual communication and how we share these things, and

767
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: and opening the door to people and say, hey, this

768
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: is a look into this reality that we've partaken that

769
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: sometimes isn't pretty, but we care a lot about it. Um. Yeah,

770
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: I think you're exactly right. How that message is is

771
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: crafted and how it's presented is a huge part of

772
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: how people receive the message. And we've got to remember

773
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: as hunters when we're doing this, whether it's digitally or

774
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: printer TV, we are taking a very personal experience, the

775
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: experience taking the life of another member of this planet

776
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: and converting it to meet for our families. And I

777
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: know very few hunters. Even today, when I walk up

778
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: of that animal and I see that it's either or

779
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: not this bluish green haze and not the sparkly brown

780
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: it was just five minutes earlier, it still hits me

781
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: very profoundly. And I don't care what anyone's religious or

782
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: faith or level of the following is too to their

783
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: belief systems, but I always give for me. I always

784
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: give a prayer of thanks for that. And I'm not

785
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: saying that that's what everyone else needs to do, but

786
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: it just is that profound for me. So as we

787
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: have something that is that important, an event that's been

788
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: going on since man became part of this earth um

789
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: and we we conveyed in a way that's rather cavalier, callous.

790
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: That's that's a hard one for a lot of people,

791
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: myself included, to swallow. I want to know that people

792
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: appreciate what that animal represents. That the animal represents food,

793
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: that animal represents the landscape and it's bounty. It represents

794
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: the bigger picture of the habitats that we're trying so

795
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: hard to conserve in a world where growing human populaation

796
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: puts more and more demands on it. And that animal

797
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: also represents to me and represents a gift to me

798
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: from the herd or the greater population of those animals.

799
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: And I'm going to do what I can to make

800
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: sure that these lands and that herd is in better

801
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: shape tomorrow than it was today. And that that's what

802
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: all that means to me when I walk up there.

803
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: And that's that's a lot of emotion, that's a lot

804
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: of power that I'm trying to distill and properly convey

805
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: in a TV show or for in your case, in

806
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: a blog. And I hope that the hunting world realizes

807
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: that we're being watched in today's world. People want to

808
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: see do we have that concern, do we have that compassion,

809
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: that appreciation, and so how do we communicate it? And

810
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: I think a takeaway message here too is that you know,

811
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: I agree with you a hundred percent and everything you

812
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: just said there, and that this doesn't apply though just

813
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: too people in the media like you or me or

814
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: Dan or someone who has a larger platform. The same

815
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: exact things apply to any hunter out there who maybe

816
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: is just talking to one single person. But if that

817
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: one single interaction that they have is one of, you know,

818
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: one of their only interactions with the hunter. Maybe for

819
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: a lot of these people live in very urban areas,

820
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: they're not exposed to our way of life or to

821
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: people that practice the way of life that we do.

822
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: So every interaction is a chance to be that. You know,

823
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: there's the potential you might be there one example of

824
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: what a hunter is and does and says and believes in.

825
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: And that's a huge responsibility be that to be that

826
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: representative for all of hunting. I look at every engagement

827
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 1: I have with a non hunter, whether I'm actually talking

828
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: about hunting or if it's, you know, just on the

829
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: fringes of our conversation or what I'm wearing or what

830
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I think about that all the time because

831
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: it's just so important these days. It always has been,

832
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: but especially important I think. And if you watch our show, um,

833
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: one of the things that I've always struggled with, how

834
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: do you teach the audience or explain to the audience

835
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: the connection this has the food. And so for us,

836
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: we'll either do segments we talked about, hey we're eating.

837
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: Don't know what we saw us take last week or

838
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: the week before, but we always try to show in

839
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: some tasteful method the conversion of that animal to food,

840
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: whether it's us putting it in our packs or whatever.

841
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: Because as much as that's not a pretty sight, I

842
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: think a lot of people look at it say, you

843
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: know what, they're using that food source. It's a connection.

844
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: That's how I came behind was through food. I mean,

845
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: that's my family. We we hunted for food. And and

846
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: so I think the bigger message is the greater the

847
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: food message, the greater the acceptance. The less the food

848
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: message or an absence of their message of this animal

849
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: representing faustenance, the harder the harder it is for us

850
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: to make our case. So I know some people will

851
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 1: disagree at me into ranny. That's just too bad for them.

852
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: Uh if they don't like the fact that I don't

853
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: eat it right, whatever, And I get that everyone can

854
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: do whatever they want proever they want. But again, we

855
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: are in a different world than it was for our parents,

856
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: for our grandparents, or in a world of high persensitivity.

857
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: Were in a world of extremely fast communication, people form

858
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: their opinions very quickly. And as we urban i and

859
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: less people live in a rural lifestyle that is more

860
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: attached to the land and the landscape. The greater the

861
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: population percentage that doesn't understand the food source, doesn't understand

862
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: the natural world, doesn't understand that for something to be

863
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: put on their plates, something kind to die. And if

864
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: we don't just stand up and say, you know what,

865
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: this is the reality we deal in. We may not

866
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: like it, but it's the reality we have today. How

867
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: do we adjust, react and message ourselves accordingly? We might

868
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: have a shorter path than we think. Yeah, that's that's

869
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: the scary truth. Um, I've got one more, um equally

870
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: controversial topic on this before I want to Before I

871
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: want to take a step back a little more conservation

872
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: habitat focus. But one more thing, when it comes to

873
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: public perception. I want to get your thoughts on this.

874
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: This is something that me and Dan have UM have

875
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: shared our strong opinions about in the past on previous episodes. UM,

876
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: and that is the concern with the perception that the

877
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: public gets from high fence preserves. I personally don't like

878
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: to call them hunting for serves. This is just me personally.

879
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: I've got strong opinions about it. UM. But these high

880
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: fence situations where deer bread to be freaks of nature

881
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: and then people are allowed to go in there and

882
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 1: shoot these animals. UM, There's a lot of debate about it.

883
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: There's lots of high emotions about it. UM. I strongly

884
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: am concerned about the risks, both from from a herd

885
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: health and disease standpoint, but then also from the fact

886
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: that when the public sees that and thinks those are hunters,

887
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: that's hunting. That's something that a very negative reaction to

888
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: and then pin that negative feeling and association back to

889
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: all of hunting. That's my risk. How do you feel

890
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: about that? You said it perfectly, UM. Back to my

891
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: point that for me to consider something hunting, there has

892
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: to be a food element to it and a conservation

893
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: element to it. I have yet to understand what the

894
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: food element or the conservation element is of raising a

895
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 1: deer in a pan artificially inseminating the those and having

896
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: someone coming by that deer after the menu. I don't

897
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: know what. Maybe I'm just ignorant of it, and so

898
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: I don't see the conservation value or the food value. Um.

899
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: If anything, I can argue and provide all kinds of

900
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: evidence that shows it's a negative conservation value because of

901
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: the disease issues. The disease issues for me and you

902
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: brought this up. Is a very big issue related to this.

903
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: In Montana, and I believe it was two thousand or

904
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 1: two thousand one two dozen too, we had a pallet

905
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: initiative that said, you can continue to breed the the animals,

906
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: but you cannot have them as shooting preserves, or you

907
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: can breed them for food or for brood stock, but

908
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 1: you cannot come here and pay people to shoot him. Instant,

909
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: very big blow up here in Montown, and to the

910
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: point where the legislature was going to intervene and they

911
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: were going to reimburse all these people above blah blah

912
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: blah blah, because supposedly there was no risk, no disease risk.

913
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: So some of us went for it and said, Okay,

914
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: if there's no disease risk, then why do you people,

915
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: why does this industry fight every time we ask them

916
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: to be bonded against that disease risk. Let's go to

917
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: the open market. Let's find the place that understands ensuring risk.

918
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: There's bonding, insurety, and insurance companies out there that you

919
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: can get insurance for most anything. They're the experts in

920
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: assessing risk. If they say there is no disease risk

921
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: to captive breeding facilities, then your insurance should be just

922
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: a minimal token amount. But you guys tell us that

923
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: if we made you ensure for this risk, it would

924
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: put you out of business. So obviously there must be

925
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: a huge amount of risk that you can't have it

926
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: both ways. You can't say there's no disease risk and

927
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: then say, oh, for us to ensure for that disease risk,

928
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: we'd go bankrupt. It's one or the other. Either there's

929
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: no risk in the price to ensure is minimal, or

930
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: the price to ensure is exorbitant because the risk is there.

931
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: And if if these groups, if these businesses were required

932
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: to ensure for the risk they're imposing upon us as

933
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: a public, I think you would see the economics of

934
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: those business models fall apart. Right now. They get to

935
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: privatize the profits, they get to socialize the risks of disease.

936
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: Like it was counting how many millions and millions of

937
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: dollars has Wisconsin spent on c w D, how many

938
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: hunting opportunities has Wisconsin loss in their efforts to eradicate CWD.

939
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: It's crazy and right, and so we as the general public,

940
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: we as the hunters of the non penned, nonpenned animals,

941
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: those of us who want to actually hunt wildlife, we

942
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: end up bearing that cost, both financially, both from an

943
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: image standpoint, and also we end up bearing that cost

944
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: from the opportunities that we loose. So and it's here's

945
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: the sad part. It's a billion or some multiple billion

946
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: dollar industry, which causes me to scratch my hand and say, WHOA.

947
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: If this is what people want to form as the

948
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: image of hunting going forward, society rejects that. You if

949
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: you ran a poll tomorrow of whether or not the

950
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: American public would accept hunting as pen shooting facilities. And

951
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: some will argue, oh, well, some of these enclosures are

952
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: a thousand acres or two underd acres or whatever. Fine, whatever.

953
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: The public is not going to make any distinction for that.

954
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: If you ask them, do you see a legitimate place

955
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: for hunting in our future? If the image of hunting

956
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: is raising animals for some sort of perverted method of

957
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: grotesque antler growth and then come and shoot them and

958
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: pay for them based on some arbitrary scoring system of

959
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: which you do not utilize the meat, or maybe meat

960
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: gets utoized somehow, I don't know, um asking that's the

961
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: other of America if hunting has a future under that scenario,

962
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: and I can tell you what that answer would be.

963
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: So to your point, is this a risk for us?

964
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: It's a huge reputation risk for hunting. And that's why

965
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: I refuse to let these groups attach themselves to the noble, honorable,

966
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: conservation based, food based notion of hunting in America. I'm

967
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: just not going as far as long as I have

968
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: a breath in my body, I am not going to

969
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: recognize that as hunting. And they will use the argument, Oh,

970
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: you're dividing the hunting community. We're not. You're a parasite

971
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: who wants to come and attach yourself to all the

972
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: values that our hunting has. You're the one who is

973
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: trying to split the hunting community. You are a parasite

974
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: that needs a host, if not for the host of

975
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: hunting as we know it that has traditionally occurred in

976
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: the United States for the last hundred and forty years.

977
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: Those operations have no public, no future, no support that

978
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: will allow them to sustain, and they want to call

979
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: themselves hunting. I say, bus, that's not hunting. You're not

980
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: doing anything to improve food, You're not doing anything to

981
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: improve the landscape. You're not doing anything to improve the

982
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: wild herd health of the other animals nearby. I mean,

983
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: in Idaho, they allow it. They've had many escapements of

984
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: of elk that have a lot of red deer room.

985
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: Now we have the issue of okay, are genetically pure

986
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: native elk are going to be affected by the fact

987
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: that there are now some red stag running around out there?

988
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: How do you measure the damage or the cost of

989
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: polluting your genetic herds, your wild free ranging natural genetic

990
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: cards it's all those kinds of things, whether it's TV,

991
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: whether it C w D, all those things that are

992
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: part of this bigger picture. And and we as hunters

993
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: are going to have to have that discussion pretty soon

994
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: and just called the spade a spade and say certain

995
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: activities if they cannot add some level of value, we

996
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: are not going to consider that nothing. And it's going

997
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: to be in lockdown and drag up. So is that

998
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: at that point? Is it? Ah? Is it a money thing?

999
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 1: I mean, the only reason they're around is because they

1000
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: make you know, it's a billion dollar industry. Yeah, it's

1001
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: from my perspective, I don't know what other value they provide.

1002
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 1: And I get it that there are some people, due

1003
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: to their physical uh impairments or their infirmity, that they're

1004
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: not going to hike five miles into the mountains to

1005
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: do an alcome like idea. I understand that there are

1006
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: certain people who are maybe this is the highest level

1007
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: of physical exertion they can have. And so I'm not

1008
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: talking about you know those types of people that those

1009
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: are the ones who always get marched out there as

1010
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: the strama and the children Horsi, Well, this is why

1011
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: we need shooting pens is for these people. Well, those

1012
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: people aren't the ones who are generating billions and billions

1013
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: of dollars. And this is a huge industry. That's that's

1014
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: what it's become. And politically they're they're definitely a fellow.

1015
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: Look at the big battle that happened in Indiana over

1016
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: the last year allowing these facilities. If I lived in Indiana,

1017
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: I'd be asking the question, who's going to pay for this?

1018
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: If we have disease outbreaks? Who's going to pay for

1019
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: the opportunity costs if we have to go on. I

1020
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: love the term they used depopulate an area because of

1021
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: the c w D out Great depopulate, Let's tell it

1022
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: what it is. We're going to go and wipe every

1023
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: deer off the landscape in that area. The industry like

1024
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: to call it depopulate. And they don't want to be

1025
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,959
Speaker 1: managed or they don't want to have their oversight under

1026
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: the d n A or the Gayman Fish departments. They

1027
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: want their oversight under the agricultural the departments of livestock.

1028
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: So tell me, are you hunting? And if you think

1029
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: you're hunting, why don't you want to be managed by

1030
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: a fishing game agency? Sounds to me like you're farming

1031
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: but your livestock because you want to be managed by

1032
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: your Department of livestock or your Department of agriculture. There's

1033
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: there's just so many incongruencies, so many arguments that make

1034
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: that that are illogical in in this process of trying

1035
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: to defend what I do not believe is an image

1036
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: of hunting that is going to be beneficial to us

1037
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: having a place in society as we go forward. Yeah,

1038
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: it's frustrated enough people, man, So so what do we

1039
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: need to do as hunters to make a statement to

1040
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: our political representatives to say we're against this that? I

1041
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: think that's that is the important part. Because we can

1042
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: all get on Facebook and rant one way or the other.

1043
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: We can consider, um, you know, complaining with our buddies.

1044
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: I think really it's time for hunters to become more

1045
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: politically active. And you've heard me say this on many

1046
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: other platforms on my podcast that these industries for in

1047
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: multiple different industries that look at the landscape, they say,

1048
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, if we dragged this over to the world

1049
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: of politics, these hunters are not organized. Their kind of

1050
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: loaners as as as a general rule, they don't have

1051
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: any group that's good at dealing in the world of politics,

1052
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: so they the game farm industry is a perfect example.

1053
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: They bring that into the world of politics. They take

1054
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: their management or their oversight away from fishing game agencies,

1055
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: bring them to departments of commerce or agriculture, livestock write

1056
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: their own rules. Um. And so we as hunters are

1057
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: standing understanding what do we do about this? And really

1058
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: an answer is we get politically active, and and we

1059
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: do it at the local level. We talk about the

1060
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: importance of what these wildhoods mean to us. We talk

1061
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: about the importance of what our hunting heritage and are

1062
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: hunting image means to us, and that if these facilities

1063
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: are too exist, they're going to exist by paying all

1064
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: their own costs, absorbing all their own risks, assuming all

1065
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: the liabilities they placed on on society. And if then

1066
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: they can make it, well, then maybe we have a

1067
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: different discussion. But we still won't let them be called honey.

1068
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Speaker 1: And that's the landy new bird approach to it, because

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01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: and we all get we've all been in the discussion.

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Speaker 1: You guys have I have any I always try to

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01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: tone it down a little bit because everyone pulls out

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01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: the big Trump Card. Oh, you're splitting hunters. Is splitting hunters,

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01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: and I don't know any guys that I hang out

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01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: with it intentionally try to split the hunting community. Ah,

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01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: But in this instance, you're really not splitting splitting the

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01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: hunting community. To me, you're taking the tick, the chigger

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01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: to the parasite, the lamb, prey off, the host, off

1078
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: this wonderful thing we call hunting, and you're throwing it

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01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: to the side, and say, you know what, Mr Kick,

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01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: Mr jigger, If your pen shooting operations can stand on

1081
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: its own without a host, knock yourself out. But right now,

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01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like you all this hunting. You're not

1083
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: part of who we are. And I'm not letting something

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01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: I love, something that is so important to me and

1085
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: my identity in my life and my family. I'm not

1086
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: letting that get drugged down the sewer with what you

1087
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: guys are doing just to spend some fast money out

1088
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: of this. I love the analogy. I do. I like

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01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: the tick analogy. Um So about politics about hunters becoming

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01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: more political, I have got two sides. That's one part

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01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: of it I want to talk about is the risk

1092
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: of conservation hunting getting political But before I want to

1093
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: get to I want to I want to hear more

1094
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: about specifically what you're doing, because you mentioned we need

1095
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: to talk about these things at the local level. We

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01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: need to you know, share this message. But from what

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01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: I've heard, you are actually taking that one step further

1098
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: and you're actually speaking with legislators or hearing committee committees

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01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: different things that can you talk to us specifically about,

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01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, what hunters can do, whether it be in

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01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: regards to this or about just some type of habitat

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01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: protection or gun rights or hunters you know, access or

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01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. If there's something that's going on

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01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: in you know, politics that's related to what we believe

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01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: in what we want to try to protect, how can

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01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: an individual hunter make a difference. And the best thing

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01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: I think hunters can do is go back to if

1108
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: you remember, fifty years ago, every little town had a

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01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: rotten gun club or local sports and the association and

1110
01:07:55,600 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: politicians paid attention to those groups. And even if it's you,

1111
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: you and five of your buddies or whatever it is

1112
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: that feels strongly about a certain management idea or a

1113
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: certain political idea or of proposed legislation, let your local representative.

1114
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: They they're responsive. If they get one can email, one

1115
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: foreign finder, they're not going to pay much attention. They

1116
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: get five different phone calls or five handwritten emails, hand

1117
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: type emails, they start paying attention. And if it's your

1118
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: counting commissioners, whether it's your state legislators, whatever it is,

1119
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: they will pay attention. And you take it to the

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01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: next level. Maybe it's not just a local area in

1121
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: your backyard. Maybe it's a regional issue, maybe it's a

1122
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: statewide issue, or maybe it's a national issue. Um you

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01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: engage yourself with these people, and it's I know for

1124
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: sound that teams daunting. But we spend a lot of

1125
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: time typing out posts and our thoughts on social media,

1126
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: on forums or elsewhere. Spend some of that time sending

1127
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: an email. You'll be surprised how the response of some

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01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: of these politics fisians are. And and that's where the

1129
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: other side is counting on the hunters continuing to be

1130
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: disengaged or apathetic about it. And if you can form

1131
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: a group of four or five fellow hunters, and it

1132
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 1: might grow to be a hundred fellow hunters, and you'd

1133
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: be amazed how much power you have I'll use an

1134
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: example here in Bodley, Montana high little town. You know,

1135
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: we've got thirty thou people in this town, and there's

1136
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: probably two or three hundreds of us belong to this

1137
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 1: rock and gun club. We have a huge way in

1138
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: what happens in statewide politics in Montana, to the point

1139
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: where now even our congressional and senatorial people when they're

1140
01:09:56,040 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: talking about hunting and fishing and access issues when they're

1141
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: back in d C. We're the ones who get the

1142
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: phone calls. A big part of being engaged in what's

1143
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: field saying that the work is just showing up. Well,

1144
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 1: if you're there, and you show up and you're part

1145
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: of the discussion, you're gonna have way more influenced than

1146
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: the other who didn't show up. And I know I

1147
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: did not something that people want to do. We're all busy,

1148
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: we got kids, we got work, we got everything else.

1149
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: But the future of of our activity hunting is going

1150
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:39,600
Speaker 1: to be heavily determined by us being willing to engage

1151
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: the politicians who are more and more every year every

1152
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: legislative session trying to play political football with our issues.

1153
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: And if you want to score a touchdown, you've got

1154
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: to be in the game, and if the game is

1155
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: being played on the political football field, you aren't in

1156
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: the score touch down to it in the bleachers. That yeah,

1157
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: now that is like you said, daunting but important. On

1158
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: the other side of the fence, though, I see risks

1159
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: in the political politicalization of hunting and conservation issues. And

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01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: I want to share one example, Um that I think

1161
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: you've you've shared some thoughts about before too, but it's

1162
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: something that just drives me nuts. And it's, you know,

1163
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: in relation to when we're talking about habitat related issues,

1164
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 1: something that is a hunter issue. It's an issue that

1165
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: pertains to what we do, what we love, what we

1166
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: care about, you know, protecting habitat for fish or deer

1167
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: or elk, or you know, setting aside land for whatever

1168
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: it might be related to conservation. These issues seem to

1169
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: me to be issues that are very much, you know,

1170
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: in line with with what we all hunters care about.

1171
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 1: But then you hear on the other side the politics

1172
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: coming into and saying, well, that's you know, that's a

1173
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: democratic issue, that's a liberal thing trying to you know,

1174
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: you're siding with all the environ environment analyst, you sound

1175
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: like a wacko. Um. People start saying, well, this is

1176
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: something that only if you're a Liberal or only if

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01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: you're a Democrat you can do, and this is something

1178
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: you can only do or believe in if you're a Republican.

1179
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: And then I'm saying, well, hey, I believe in this

1180
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: and I believe in this other thing, and it doesn't

1181
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 1: fit any one of these two parties. And why can't

1182
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 1: hunters be pro protecting habitat or pro believing in the

1183
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: fact that there might be some things that we're doing

1184
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,560
Speaker 1: that are not good for these wild places that we

1185
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: care about and that maybe we should change that. Um. Yeah,

1186
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: I think the biggest lists hunters have is if we

1187
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: let ourselves be defined by one political party or the

1188
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: other people, will you could go to anything I write,

1189
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: anything I present, and I go to d C or

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01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: to the state legislatures. I'm an equal opportunity abuse and

1191
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm an equal opportunity supporter. I represent the party of

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01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: the hunter angler republic access from the wild life that

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01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 1: we need. And if you're a Republican, they're a Democrat

1194
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: and you're in support of that, guess what I mean.

1195
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: You're gonna get accolades for me. If you're a Republican

1196
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: or a Democrat, and you're doing things defermental to that,

1197
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: guess what you're going to be in my crossairs. I

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01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 1: have no use for political parties. And hunting did not

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01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: get to where it is, Conservation did not get to

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01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: where it is in America today by being a Democratic

1201
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: or Republican issue. And every time I see hunters go

1202
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: down that path on one side or the other, taking

1203
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: a spoon feeding from the political wunk from the talking heads,

1204
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: I just want to pull my hair off. I'm like,

1205
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: you know what, we as hunters have Howey's stood head

1206
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: and shoulders above the rest because we sorted true the morass.

1207
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: We said what's best for the wild life, what's best

1208
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: for the landscape, and we didn't care who was on

1209
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 1: our side. We just kept our eye on the goal,

1210
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: high on the ball of we are in this for

1211
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 1: the wildlife. The landscape in the next generation comes after us.

1212
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: And if you make it that way, it's a pretty easy.

1213
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 1: Politics is a pretty easy place to play because everyone

1214
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: else is thinking that you should be one of these

1215
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:19,520
Speaker 1: party players. And when you engage yourself and you reject

1216
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: the whole notion of being one party or the other,

1217
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: they almost don't even know how to handle you, Like,

1218
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: what do we do this guy? What are you doing?

1219
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 1: What do we do with this group of guys? Well,

1220
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: that's exactly where I want. I don't want to be

1221
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: able to pigeonhole me, and I don't want them to

1222
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: be able to pigeonhole hunters and in our message of

1223
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: conservation and access in the future of So it's you're right,

1224
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: it's it's a very dangerous path to say, oh, I'm

1225
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: going to just side with the Democrats or I'm just

1226
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: gonna side with the Republicans. It's that's a path for

1227
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: at least half the time your enemy is going to

1228
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: be empower right, any more than half the time. So

1229
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: do you really want to go that way? And these

1230
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: these aren't political issues. These are common sense issues that

1231
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: pretty much all of America at the core supports. Conservation,

1232
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 1: supports wild by supports clean water, clean air, public plan,

1233
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: public access. So you don't have to make yourself a

1234
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: political partisan to be engaged in it. Yeah, I gotta say, Randy,

1235
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: this is this is very therapeutic for me because I'm

1236
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: getting to vent and then having someone respond positively right

1237
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: back to me. So thank you for that. Uh, well

1238
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: maybe if my wife, If my wife was listening in

1239
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 1: on this podcast, you'd probably be saying, don't listen to

1240
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: this guy. You should see him when he comes home

1241
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: after dealing with these people and DC dealing with these

1242
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: people at state legislatures. It's a path to insanity. Yeah,

1243
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: I can see that being potential. It's the problem too.

1244
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: But Man, I might be calling you more often just

1245
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: to just to scratch this itch. But but Dan, what

1246
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: are you thinking over there? Because I know a lot

1247
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: of these things fire you up to where do you

1248
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: want to go next to this? Well, so, from a

1249
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: political standpoint, you know, vote the number of votes is important, right, so,

1250
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: and and from a hunting standpoint, me and Mark have

1251
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: talked about this a while. You know, we want to

1252
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: have what's the term mark, getting more hunters, hunter recruitment,

1253
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: hunter recruitment. So the more hunters that we bring to

1254
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: the table, Let's say, over the next ten years, we

1255
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: doubled the amount of hunters in the United States. We

1256
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: had there's a huge push, and we got eleven million

1257
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: more hunters in the United States. How with would that

1258
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: positively or negatively have an effect on conservation efforts? I

1259
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: would hope that they have a positive conservation And the

1260
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: reason I say that as we'd have double the license sales.

1261
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'd have double the membership in our conservation groups

1262
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: of Elk Foundation, Lab, Turkeys, Sentence Forever, Duction Unlimited. Hopefully

1263
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,799
Speaker 1: we'd have double the number of people volunteering their time

1264
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 1: towards conservation project volunteering or donating their money towards conservation projects. Um.

1265
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 1: I think that would be right outcoming. I know some

1266
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 1: people say, well, yeah, but that's twice as many people

1267
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 1: in my favorite spot, or twice as many people competing

1268
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: for permission in the place I hunt. Wow. Maybe maybe not.

1269
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm one of those They say you're either an abundance

1270
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: thinker or a scarcity thinker. I'm an abundance thinker. I

1271
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,480
Speaker 1: think the more of us who hunt, the more abundant

1272
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: hunting opportunity and conservation and habitat will be, will fund more,

1273
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 1: will produce more, We'll have more opportunity. So I don't

1274
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 1: know any not even that. I'm all about whatever it

1275
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: can do, whatever we can do collectively to get more

1276
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: people connected back to the landscapes. But hunting is a

1277
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,600
Speaker 1: way to connect to those landscapes by acquiring food, and

1278
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: so I think we'll be just flight. If anything, we'll

1279
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: probably see some of our best days ahead if we

1280
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: can stick to that message. So, Dan, I know that

1281
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: you at times we we've, like you mentioned, we've debate

1282
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 1: about this back and forth, and at times you have

1283
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 1: you know, talked about the concerns of more people out there,

1284
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: and lots of people can compellingly speak to the risks

1285
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 1: of there being you know, more hunters and you know,

1286
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 1: is there too many honors for the amount of land

1287
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: and things like that. Have your views changed at all?

1288
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: You know over the last year and a half as

1289
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 1: we've been discussing this, I think you've shared some things,

1290
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: but I'm curious to hear where your heads at on

1291
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: this now. Well it's it's I understand. I guess I

1292
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: should put this way. I understand that the more hunt

1293
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: or is the better. I just feel, and I've mentioned

1294
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: this before, that there needs to be more of a

1295
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:11,759
Speaker 1: united effort between the hunters that we already have before

1296
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: we go out and say, come on, America, come on

1297
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: and hunt with us. You know, hunting is awesome. You

1298
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: know you can get your food from it. It's a rush,

1299
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,560
Speaker 1: And then name all the benefits you know, through conservation

1300
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: efforts than saying you know, And I'll be completely honest,

1301
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a little bit selfish. Uh you know,

1302
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 1: I have and Mark, you know, I have a great farm.

1303
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: I have a great age class, age class worth of deer.

1304
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 1: If you added the same amount of hunters and added

1305
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: that same amount of hunters that are currently on my farm,

1306
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: that age class goes down potentially, the number of deer

1307
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 1: goes down potentially. And although there are a whole bunch

1308
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: of benefits of you know, from the monetary and the

1309
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: state and the government, it's I don't know, I just

1310
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: I just feel that there's some kind and of course

1311
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: there would have to be some kind of research done

1312
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: to find the perfect plateau, because if you add a

1313
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: whole bunch of hunters too are hunting, not everybody's gonna

1314
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: be able to go hunting. Like what I imagine is

1315
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: places like Iowa or Idaho that is or you know,

1316
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 1: for me, Iowa is I can hunt every year, but

1317
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to Idaho and Idaho has uh you know,

1318
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 1: over the counter elk and mule deer hunts. I see,

1319
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: I see more hunters coming in than those start to

1320
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: turn into draw systems and and then hunters aren't able

1321
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 1: to hunt, if that makes sense, and that and that's

1322
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of a narrow minded approach to it.

1323
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. There are those risks, and

1324
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 1: I guess to Randy's point is, you know, hopefully there

1325
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 1: would be counteracting benefits from the influx influx of new

1326
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 1: hunters and the political clout where we would be able

1327
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 1: to produce more hunting access and we would be able

1328
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: to set aside additional landscapes and and continue to see

1329
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: those types of benefits. But I mean, you know, there's

1330
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 1: definitely some give and take there. It'll be it will

1331
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 1: be interesting. I personally hope it's a problem we'll we'll

1332
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: see and fix or we'll see the solution to but

1333
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if we will um. But it's an

1334
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: interesting conundrum to debate, that's for sure. And then for

1335
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: from my perspective, and I used them double the number,

1336
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: and I don't know if that's one. It's probably not

1337
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 1: even reasonable and to just pulled out us in there,

1338
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: but I think it's nothing else there or the end

1339
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: goal is probably even if everybody doesn't hunt there, we

1340
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 1: don't have place as many people hunting. If we have

1341
01:21:55,760 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 1: twice as many people who understand honey and understand how

1342
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 1: it fits, what history it has, of how it gave

1343
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: America the whole notion of conservation, and there was no

1344
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 1: ethic of conservation is and in America until hunting, that

1345
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 1: we do all this other stuff that we are valuable. Um,

1346
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: if the number of hunters stayed the same, fine with me.

1347
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that our relevance is

1348
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: well understood to a greater segment than a larger number

1349
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: of our society every year. Right, So what what needs

1350
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: to be done for the current hunters and in that

1351
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 1: future generation of And when I say future generation, I

1352
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 1: mean my son and my daughter are more than likely

1353
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,440
Speaker 1: going to be hunters when they grow up, basically replenishing

1354
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 1: the old guards, so to speak. What what can we

1355
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: do to unite? If you'd asked that one a lot also,

1356
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: and that I have a dandity to probably offer too

1357
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: simple of answers, but I'll tell you what my answer was.

1358
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 1: And my son is now twenty five, and we grew

1359
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: up in Montana, where you would think, to everyone in

1360
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 1: Montana there's a hunter or an angler, and that's not

1361
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:19,639
Speaker 1: the case. We do have high participation, thanks, but for me,

1362
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 1: it was about just getting my son and his friends

1363
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 1: out camping. You go out camping, you find frogs and

1364
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: toads and snakes and birds, and you get wet, and

1365
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 1: I mean, we'd go and fish propies at this lake

1366
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 1: because I knew we could catch lots of them. And

1367
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: they get to stay in tense and build fires, and

1368
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, these kids became very interested in

1369
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: just the natural world. And to me, that's one of

1370
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 1: those first steps of getting them towards being someone who

1371
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 1: understands the hunting and fishing lifestyle. I think at times

1372
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 1: we as hunters think you should take a youngster or

1373
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,759
Speaker 1: a new person. Maybe they're a developed who's just wanting

1374
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 1: to get into you know, hunting, you fishing, and we

1375
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: throw them right into the mix. And it's either really

1376
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: terrible experience it didn't work out, or it's a really

1377
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 1: great experience, but they really didn't understand what went into

1378
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: maintain that such a great experience. And if they haven't

1379
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 1: followed the path, the steps to get there, do you

1380
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 1: think they're going to become hunters in the long term

1381
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: and become fisherman in the long term? I don't know.

1382
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: I think it's going to take all of us investing

1383
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 1: time in that next generation, whether it's our kids, whether

1384
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 1: it's there's scouts for age, whether it's our neighbor or

1385
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: niece or sue or whatever the you just that's something

1386
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:52,719
Speaker 1: that you can just send. The more money you send,

1387
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: the more people you're going to get involved in hunting.

1388
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: It's an investment in time, that is really what it is.

1389
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 1: It's one of the great challenges I think of, you know,

1390
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 1: our generation, especially when it comes to you know, getting

1391
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 1: younger people into it, is the fact that there are

1392
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,679
Speaker 1: so many distractions and so many alternatives in the world

1393
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 1: in many in many places is so far apart and

1394
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: so separated now from the natural world. Um that getting

1395
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 1: our our young people and our children and grandchildren involved

1396
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: and exposes types of things is more of a challenge

1397
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: and more important than ever as far as I'm concerned,

1398
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: I agree that the disconnect to the natural world. There's

1399
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: a lead part of what it's probably at the root

1400
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: of many challenges hunting paces is the society that they

1401
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: have of Oh well, I can so the gas paint

1402
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 1: in my car and that just comes from a hole

1403
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: in the ground. Right here at the gas station that

1404
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 1: has been collectively we have a big impact on the landscape.

1405
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 1: Or gee, I can go to the supermarket and I

1406
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:03,600
Speaker 1: can buy this, and I can buy that and it

1407
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: comes from the back room of the supermarket. Well, they

1408
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: are no longer connected to a rural lifestyle or to

1409
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: the land, and that becomes them about as far as

1410
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 1: they think of it. They don't think of what's on

1411
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 1: their plate that gee, that was an animal that died,

1412
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 1: or that was chicken is in a poop laying eggs

1413
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: for me, or you know whatever it is that Okay,

1414
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm a vegan. And how many millions of hundreds of

1415
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 1: millions of acres of wild habitat gets converted to agriculture

1416
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 1: so they can have their sway or their rights or whatever.

1417
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 1: So I think your point of America becoming less connected

1418
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 1: to the landscape, it's probably at the core of little

1419
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 1: challenge hunting is going to face in the future. Yeah. Now,

1420
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 1: now speaking of landscapes and being connected to landscapes, I

1421
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: want to kind of circle back to where it be game.

1422
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 1: We talked about the notion that hunting is conservation, and

1423
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: lots of times when we as hunters talk about that

1424
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 1: the first thing that people mention is something that you

1425
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,560
Speaker 1: brought up, which is is very, very true, which is

1426
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:15,440
Speaker 1: the fact that just by default, as hunters, buying licenses

1427
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: and buying ammunition and buying gear, we are providing the

1428
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:23,480
Speaker 1: funds to, you know, fund conservation efforts. So by default,

1429
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 1: we as hunters our conservationists. But one concern that I've

1430
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 1: always had is that I think sometimes maybe some of us,

1431
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: even myself, lean on that too much and that, yeah,

1432
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: hunting is conservation. I'm doing this, I'm being a good

1433
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 1: conservations because I bought my license, I bought some new bullets,

1434
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,799
Speaker 1: and I'm giving money back, you know, to the cause.

1435
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 1: My thought has always been that that's not enough, and

1436
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: I haven't you know, admittedly I'm not always I realize

1437
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm not doing enough too, But my thought has always

1438
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 1: been that's a a danger if we start thinking that

1439
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: just by default, we're conservations and that's all we need

1440
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 1: to do. Do you think that there is additional responsibility

1441
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: for us as hunters to the conservation of our wild

1442
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: places and wild animals? And how does that take form?

1443
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: What should we be doing in addition to just buying

1444
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 1: a license. I agree completely with that worry Mark. It's

1445
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 1: a you know, we're in a time of of our

1446
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 1: country and our society where we like to be able

1447
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 1: to buy our advocacy. And if there's one thing that's

1448
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 1: distinguished hunters from the rest of society is we've not

1449
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: only put our money where our mouth as we put

1450
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 1: our time where our mouth is. And the days of

1451
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 1: just saying all I bought my license, that's good enough,

1452
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 1: that's unfortunately not good enough anymore because we're smaller percentage

1453
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: of society trying to keep landscapes intact against the pressures

1454
01:28:54,960 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 1: of a much larger population in our society. So for me, Um,

1455
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: I've been volunteering all my life for for these causes.

1456
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 1: So it's I don't expect people to to go to

1457
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: the crazy levels that I do where me and my

1458
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 1: wife and my son we would run a Duck's Unlimited Committee,

1459
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,639
Speaker 1: or we volunteer for this project on that project. Um,

1460
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 1: you know some people that might just be hey, I

1461
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 1: can go and help with their shooting range one one

1462
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: Saturday a year. You know, it's it's it's going to

1463
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 1: be different for every person. We all have a different

1464
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 1: amount of time, money, or talent that we can can

1465
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:39,679
Speaker 1: contribute to the cause. But back to who we are

1466
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 1: as hunters. We as hunters have got here to this point.

1467
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: We have built this conservation if you want to call

1468
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: it miracles of the past hundred twenty years, not by

1469
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 1: just buying licenses. Yeah, that's a huge help. We've done

1470
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:00,080
Speaker 1: all that through the fact that we have huge the

1471
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: volunteer ranks among our conservation groups. We have hunters teaching

1472
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 1: hunter and we have hunters at the n r A

1473
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: shot and teaching shooting courses. We have hunters that are

1474
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 1: in fourage and Scouts and in all these other places

1475
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: where we are making a difference with our time as

1476
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 1: much as our money. And if if hunting adopts the

1477
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: idea that we're just gonna be able to fund this

1478
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:27,799
Speaker 1: with what we pay for our licenses and our excise

1479
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:31,799
Speaker 1: taxes us, it's not gonna be a very bright future

1480
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 1: because you and I'll just use some numbers and I

1481
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 1: don't know what the numbers are for turkeys or peasants

1482
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 1: or meal there, but I heard it your said, ducks unlimited.

1483
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: It's conserved twelve million acres of wetlands. That's the size

1484
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 1: of Vermont and New Hampshire combined. I believe the Rocking

1485
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: Dountail Foundation has conserved seven million acres of habitats. Those

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01:30:55,160 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: are big numbers, and that happens because volunteers are out

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Speaker 1: working on those projects. Volunteers are holding fundraisers, volunteers are

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01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 1: donating to the cause over and above their license tails.

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Speaker 1: And that's what always made hunters different than the rest

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Speaker 1: of society. I'll just use the example. In the year

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Speaker 1: two thousand, there was a pill in Congress called the

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Speaker 1: Conservation and Reinvestment Act, and that would have imposed a

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01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:26,560
Speaker 1: very small excise tax on things like chants and monoculars

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Speaker 1: and backpacks, similar to the excise taxes we pay at

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01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,959
Speaker 1: eleven pound guns and I m al under Pittman Robertson

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01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:36,839
Speaker 1: and what we pay for fishing items under Dingle Johnson.

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Speaker 1: And when that came up, the streaming and yelling by

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Speaker 1: the quote unquote non consumptive groups as they call themselves,

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01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. They had their chance to fund them to

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Speaker 1: help contribute to this conservation story, and they rejected it,

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01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 1: and they got that legislation killed. My point being, we

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01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:04,679
Speaker 1: as hunters have kept up on the horizon. Going forward,

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01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 1: we put our shoulder to the wheel we're donating our money,

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01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 1: we're donating our time, and that's what's made the huge difference,

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01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 1: and that's it's going to be even more important going forward.

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01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:19,719
Speaker 1: And I'll get off my soapbox now. No, I thoroughly

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01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: enjoyed your soapbox moments there, and I think that is uh.

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01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 1: I think that's a perfect place to close things up,

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01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 1: because that is I think we've talked about all the

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01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 1: different potential risks out there, and there's things that we

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01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 1: as hunters need to be concerned about and that we

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01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 1: need to be thinking about and that we need to

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01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 1: be talking about. But in the end, the epolute most

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01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: important thing I think that I'm taking from this is

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01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: that that's not enough. We need to take action. We

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01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 1: need to put our time into it. We need to

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01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: continue this conservation legacy that hunters have driven for you

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01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 1: said the less century, Um, and that's our responsibility and

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01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: that's our mission moving forward. And I'm glad that there

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01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 1: are people like you, Randy, who are spreading that message

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01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: so um so effectively. So so thank you Randy for

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01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 1: joining us here. UM. I've enjoyed this. I'm sure our

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01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: listeners have to. If our listeners want to learn more

1524
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 1: about what you're doing. If they want to listen to

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01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 1: your podcast, watch your TV show, participate in your forum,

1526
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 1: where can they go online to do that? Yep, if

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01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 1: you go to Randy Newberg dot com any w B

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01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: E R g um, we have links to all of

1529
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 1: our platforms out there. If you want to go directly

1530
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 1: to our forum, which is a large web forum about

1531
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: self guidas and public gland hunting. In the last you

1532
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 1: go to hunt Talk hunt talk dot com and you'll

1533
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 1: find probably more of Randy Newberg than you ever wanted.

1534
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:47,799
Speaker 1: It's pretty easy to find this and for fresh tracks

1535
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 1: p v R TV show, you can go to the

1536
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 1: sports from the channel. Maybe keep a lot of information

1537
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: out there for us. And I just appreciate you guys

1538
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 1: having me on. I love hunting like tales. I love

1539
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 1: you out of the world, Dan. I got seven six

1540
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 1: or seven nonresident high with deer points. So when we

1541
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 1: get off the home here feels feels reading email me

1542
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 1: where I need to spend those deer points for next year.

1543
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 1: I think we're breaking up. I promise. If it's too

1544
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: good of a spot, I might not even bring my

1545
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 1: camera to I don't want I don't want all the

1546
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 1: secrets to get out. He won't even let me hunt there, Randy.

1547
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 1: Oh really, I let it just throw a dart out

1548
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 1: of map I guess I'll let you come with me

1549
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: next time, Randy. I'm I'm I'm more of a door

1550
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 1: pounder in Iowa, just trying to find somewhere and it's

1551
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:51,559
Speaker 1: worked out. So okay. Well, guys, thanks thanks for having me.

1552
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. I appreciate what you guys do

1553
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 1: in the message you're getting out there and peep at

1554
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 1: it absolutely well. Thank you, Randy. We will have links

1555
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 1: on the blog back to everything you mentioned so that

1556
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 1: everyone listening you guys can check out what Randy's doing.

1557
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:07,600
Speaker 1: It's great stuff. As you've heard here today. He's a

1558
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:09,599
Speaker 1: he's a great spokesman for what we're doing here. So

1559
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 1: so thank you, Randy, and good luck hunting this season.

1560
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:17,679
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanke care are you too? Well? How about

1561
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 1: that one? I think, without doubt that was one of

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01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: my favorite episodes we've put together so far. I just

1563
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:27,360
Speaker 1: love Randy's perspective on these topics. And you know, as

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01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: I've said over and over and over again, I just

1565
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 1: believe that that these things are so important, this responsibility

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01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 1: we have as conservationists, the responsibility we have to communicate

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01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 1: effectively about hunting, the responsibility to carry ourselves appropriately as hunters, UM,

1568
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 1: and the importance of thinking through the ethics of what

1569
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 1: we do and how we do it, how we talk

1570
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 1: about it's it's just also important, And lots of times

1571
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,759
Speaker 1: these things get swept under the rug and not talked about,

1572
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 1: while instead all we do is is rave about big

1573
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 1: antlers or wherever the latest crazy new thing is. UM.

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01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 1: I think we've all been guilty of at times, and

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01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm just glad that we can have a conversation like

1576
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 1: this today where we bring to the top of mind

1577
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 1: one of these topics that that really is at the

1578
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 1: core of what we do and why we're able to

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01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 1: do it. So I hope you guys enjoyed it as

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01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,599
Speaker 1: much as I did. UM. I appreciate Randy joining us,

1581
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 1: and I appreciate all of you joining us. So I'm

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01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 1: gonna wrap things up here. We of course, first need

1583
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 1: to thank our partners who helped make this podcast possible,

1584
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 1: So big thank you to Sick Gear, Trophy, Ridge, Bear Archery,

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01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 1: Redneck Blinds, Huntera, Maps, Ozonics, Carbon Express, Lacrosse Boots and

1586
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:41,600
Speaker 1: the White Tail Institute of North America. Please help this

1587
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 1: podcast by supporting those companies that are supporting us, so

1588
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 1: thanks in Advanced for doing that. And with that all said,

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01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 1: hopefully uh in the next week or two, we'll have

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01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 1: some exciting elk stories to share with you as me

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01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 1: and dan H hopefully return safely from this trip that

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Speaker 1: we're currently on. But until next time, good luck out

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01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,559
Speaker 1: there you're prepping for hunting season or if you're actually hunting,

1594
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:05,799
Speaker 1: and thank you all so much for joining us. Until

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Speaker 1: next time, stay Wired to Hunt. H m hm h