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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast, part of the Volume

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Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I am Chad Millman of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: Today I'm joined as always by my co host, my companion,

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Speaker 1: my compadre, my BFF, professional better Simon Hunter ellosim.

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Speaker 2: In Chad, how are we doing, dude?

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Speaker 1: We got a lot to talk about. Because they've started

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Speaker 1: posting Rookie of the Year odds in the NFL. There's

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Speaker 1: already some Saquon Barkley props up. You and I are

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Speaker 1: both loving the NBA Playoffs, which we are going to

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Speaker 1: talk about because my favorite betting theory that I have

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Speaker 1: written about since I lived in New Jersey, going back

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Speaker 1: almost twenty years, the zig zag theory is in play

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Speaker 1: and prices are moving off of the Nix, Celtics and

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Speaker 1: thunder Nuggets. We haven't even gotten to the other games yet.

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Speaker 1: As you know, we also hear at the Favorites receive

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Speaker 1: loads of listener feedback and questions throughout the year. So

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Speaker 1: like we did back in March, we're going to go

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Speaker 1: through some of your very best questions. Let me remind

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have opinions on breaking news. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: stories from the book. I'm reporting about old school gambling,

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Speaker 1: new school gambling, all the good, good stuff from the

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Speaker 1: All right, Simon, NBA plaffs zig zag theory is in

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Speaker 1: full effect. There's so much to unpack from last night.

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Speaker 1: The Celtics blowing a twenty point lead to the Knicks,

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Speaker 1: the Nuggets coming from eleven down with four minutes left,

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Speaker 1: last second shot by Aaron Gordon to beat the Thunder.

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Speaker 1: The number one seeds in three of the four series

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Speaker 1: now no longer have or the top seeds in three

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Speaker 1: of the four series. Celtics, Thunder Calves all lost home

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Speaker 1: court advantage, Nuggets Wolves still be played. I'm loving the

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Speaker 1: NBA plass. You know I love the NBA. I'm an

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Speaker 1: avid watcher. I think I've watched just about every game

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Speaker 1: even tremendous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Evan had an amazing tweet about it

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Speaker 3: that it was the first time two teams in the

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Speaker 3: NBA that were plus nine dogs both won outright on

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Speaker 3: the same day in twenty five years, which is just

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Speaker 3: even if you're not an NBA fan, you're gonna be

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Speaker 3: hearing about the NBA today because that's what people are

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Speaker 3: gonna be talking about because that's just something so rare,

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Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, both those teams were kind of in

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Speaker 3: bad spots, playing teams that have been hyped up that

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Speaker 3: what's so fun about the NBA, right It's like you think,

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Speaker 3: these young teams, like you know, Oklahoma City getting all

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Speaker 3: this love, isn't the team, but.

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Speaker 2: You can't, you can't tap into the championship pedigree.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, the the Knicks Boston series right now, Chad's

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Speaker 3: is the probably the highest talked about series that the betters,

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Speaker 3: So I would say the masses the chalk are all

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Speaker 3: going to go heavy now on this Boston series. But

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Speaker 3: surprisingly professional betters, a lot of guys I respect, are

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Speaker 3: doing the same thing. Like it's moved now from obviously

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Speaker 3: minus nine hundred to them being minus two forty minus

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Speaker 3: they're doing it, Like that's a lot of value to

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Speaker 3: move off one game in historically bad shooting night. So

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Speaker 3: it's it pains me to root for Boston. But when

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Speaker 3: there's money involved, Chad, we root for the money. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a position on Boston in the series

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Speaker 3: price but Duch just following the smart money the guys

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Speaker 2: Right, this is a really fun story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm always conflicted. Like I love watching Jalen Bronson,

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Speaker 1: which is, you know, twenty minutes from where I live

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Speaker 1: in Central Connecticut. He coached the Bulls and like got

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Speaker 1: last night by twenty, like I've never actually, I've watched

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Speaker 1: I think the Celtics lost that game as much as

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Speaker 1: the Knicks won that game. And as I was watching

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Speaker 1: it last night, it's infuriating to watch it, and you

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Speaker 1: he's calling a play. What fucking player are you calling?

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows the only play is we're gonna shoot a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's be interesting if they actually overadjust or

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Speaker 3: they didn't stay the course because they had a lot

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Speaker 3: doesn't bounce your way. And that's what it felt like

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Speaker 3: to me watching the game. It feels like Boston is

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Speaker 2: So once again, I bet it. I bet Boston.

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Speaker 3: But like, deep down, I'm hoping what you're saying is true, Chad,

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Speaker 3: that this is like just one of those NBA series

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Speaker 3: We see it every time teams, some certainties get tight,

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Speaker 1: Well, look, the I mentioned in the intro, the zig

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Speaker 1: language and the Damon runyanesque phrases of betting, zig zag

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Speaker 1: zig zag theory during the NBA playoff one year and

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Speaker 1: I was completely taken with it. Essentially, the theory says,

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Speaker 1: the spread in their next game. That is the best

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Speaker 1: So now we look at this game with the Celtics

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Speaker 1: The Celtics opened at nine. That number immediately got bet up,

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Speaker 2: The Calves and Pacers, ever got bet up as well, and.

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Speaker 1: The Calves and Pacers got bat and the Nuggets and

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Speaker 1: the Thunder got bet up. I don't think the Celtics

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Speaker 1: what they've done all years. Shoot literally fifty three pointers

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Speaker 1: make five of these three pointers. We're not having this conversation.

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Speaker 1: They're going to rationalize and justify. I still might take

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Speaker 1: the Celtics in minus ten.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's tempting because you just know it's a

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Speaker 3: game in which you just said, if they just make

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Speaker 2: And that's why I.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 1: If they had drawn up one freaking play at the

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Speaker 1: and ended the game. It was It was a coaching

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Speaker 1: loved it. Can't wait for the playoffs to continue. Right,

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Speaker 1: here's the question. We're going to get into the questions

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Speaker 1: a little bit. We've talked about this a lot on

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Speaker 1: the podcast so far. Home field advantage has never been

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Speaker 1: lower in the NFL. If you owned an NFL team, Simon,

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Speaker 1: would you value home field advantage? That's the first question

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Speaker 1: I think yes or no, Yes, okay, you would. What

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of ways you can attack it,

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Speaker 3: but the biggest one to me will always be attacking

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Speaker 3: you can say what you want about why the Bills

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Speaker 3: big hands. He was used to playing out in the

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Speaker 3: in those type elements, and the Bill's mindset was, we're

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Speaker 3: bringing him in here because he kind of fits what

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Speaker 3: we need a guy who can throw through these strong

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Speaker 3: wins late in the year. And you know, holds on

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Speaker 3: the ball and bad element, bad weather, and is big

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Speaker 3: and strong, just like Ben Roethlisberger was.

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Speaker 2: So you know, it's certain teams attack it. You know.

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Speaker 3: Another one that jumps out to me will always be

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Speaker 3: Drew Brees bringing him down to the Saints in New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: At least, I'm going to lift a couple of them

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've only made two bets.

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Speaker 3: I immediately you obviously know I love cam like board,

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Speaker 3: I just think he should be the odds on favorite

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Speaker 3: The opportunity, and the fact that you know it's it's

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Speaker 2: Like he just seems like it's a horriball guy. He's

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Speaker 3: To feed this running back, even though I know they

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Speaker 2: So I like that. I like that value at fourteen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, it makes sense. It's what Harbaugh

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Speaker 2: And I also go back to the Herbert point.

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Speaker 3: I think Harville just needs to get that first playoff

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Speaker 3: All right, that's that's pretty insane that Herbert Herbert Hall

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Speaker 3: just like we talked about why I love Tennessee at

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Speaker 3: It's like a week division on a team that has

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Speaker 3: If cam wor can come in and just take that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually started to like the idea of Tennessee

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Speaker 1: But it also lines up. You know, it's funny. Someone

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what I get like alerts when people comment,

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Speaker 2: But you know, I said the top, the Bills deserve

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and let it be known now I'm going to

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Speaker 3: because what Chad just outlined year two jump quarterback head coach,

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00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 3: that combo, we're hoping for the best. If you want

434
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 3: to play it safe, we said it, throw the bills

435
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 3: and whatever type of parlay you want to make divisional odds,

436
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with throwing the Bills in there. They're

437
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 3: by far the best team in that division and there

438
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 3: should be minus two to fifty rare the hell they

439
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: were at the when we were talking about them.

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Speaker 1: All right, question about defensive Rookie of the year, this

441
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: one's fun. Abdua Carter plus two fifty, Jalen wo plus

442
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: seven hundred, Travis Hunter plus one thousand, and then it

443
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,959
Speaker 1: goes on and on and on. Anyone on the board

444
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: that I didn't mention just now because I've got an opinion.

445
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: Like Mike Green and Johat Campbell could be guys that

446
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 3: could be great. Like you know, Mike Green is someone

447
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 3: that has a ton of talent, obviously a ton of bagage.

448
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: You can google look it up. Why he did fall

449
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,719
Speaker 3: to the Ravens. We've seen the Ravens do this all

450
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 3: the time, Right, they take a guy who's got issues,

451
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 3: tons of talent, straighten them out. He's gonna fit right

452
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 3: into that defense. He could be an absolute stud and

453
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 3: a steel for that team. And same with Campbell Man.

454
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Speaker 3: If this kid is legit playing the number two linebacker

455
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 3: for the Eagles, or if he ends up being an edge,

456
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 3: he could be a stub. But for to me, each

457
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 3: had just a value. How do you not take Walker

458
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: like this kid is an absolute stud on a defense

459
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,479
Speaker 3: that has zero pass russ ability In Atlanta they're one

460
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 3: of the worst worst d end groups and all the NFL.

461
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 3: They're instantly getting a guy who could have been a

462
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 3: top ten pick, ton of raw of talent. If he

463
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Speaker 3: goes there and he's incredible, I get why he's at

464
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: number two, like him being the second odds on favorite

465
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 3: ahead of Travis Hunter. To me, that's price right by

466
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 3: the sportsbooks, But I think there's still value there. I

467
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 3: have a closer plus five hundred plus seven hundred plus

468
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 3: seven to fifty a couple different books.

469
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Speaker 2: I'll take that by on Walker Travis Hunter.

470
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: Tend to one dude come on. Think about it. Think

471
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Speaker 1: about it. Jalen Walker will have to be so brilliant.

472
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: He'll need double digit sacks, and he'll need to be

473
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Speaker 1: in a position where that team is getting so much

474
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: spotlight and playing in a Marquee game at least once

475
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: or twice, and his highlights are all over social media.

476
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: He's in the right division for it, though you'd agree,

477
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: right the Saints, the Panthers, and the Bucks.

478
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Speaker 1: Well, what I would say about that is that he's

479
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: not because he's not a guy who automatically his team

480
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: is going to be playing in primetime games right right, right,

481
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: So he's going to need a viral campaign where every

482
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: week it's like when Micah Parsons was blowing up and

483
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, look at what this guy

484
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: is doing. Oh my god, look at what this guy

485
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: is doing. Travis Hunter, if he plays twenty five percent

486
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: of the time on defense and let's say he gets

487
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: four picks, all right, all of those are going to

488
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: be all over social media. All of those are going

489
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: to lead Sports Center with Scott Van Pelt, all of

490
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: those are going to be discussed. Everybody wants to see.

491
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Speaker 1: It's a narrative.

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Speaker 2: Award, don't do not bet Travis Hunter for defense.

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Speaker 1: Ten to one. People are going to want that.

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Speaker 2: There's no way. I just don't think he's gonna play

495
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: enough for you. I get what you're saying, but.

496
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Speaker 3: It's just I don't know, I get like from from

497
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Speaker 3: your point of view, though, this is going to probably

498
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: be the most beat guy, and the fact that the

499
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 3: books are just keeping.

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00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: Him at plus a thousand should scare you off.

501
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 3: Because this he's got a really diehard fan base that

502
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: are Bettingham right now. And you know, it's gonna be

503
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 3: interesting where we're at in August where the books report

504
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: where the money is on these different spots.

505
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 2: I really think the public's gonna hammer that. From your

506
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: same point of view.

507
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 3: Of just you know, he could win this award, but yeah,

508
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 3: someone just said in our chat, the cornerbacks just don't

509
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: win it. And he really has to be, you know,

510
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: one of the most hyped up unicorns we've ever had

511
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: coming to the sport.

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00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: I mean, like I.

513
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: Told you, I will forever hold I don't want a

514
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: bad enouth to people because they want our show. But

515
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: comparing him to Aatani to me, was the dumbest thing

516
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: I've ever heard of my life. Like one guy is

517
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: built like the biggest freak I've ever seen in person.

518
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 3: I don't think people understand how huge Otani is and

519
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: how jacked he is, and he's playing a.

520
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: Non contact sport.

521
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 3: Trastunter is, you know, skinny as hell playing a contact

522
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: sport trying to play both sides. Again, it's just not

523
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: going to happen. I'm telling you, it's not going to happen.

524
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 3: So yeah, I get where Chad's coming from. I just

525
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do it. There's just so much has to

526
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: go your way and it just never happens. Cornerbacks never

527
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: win this award because the jump from college, let alone

528
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: the Big twelve, to being in the NFL playing corner

529
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: it's so extreme.

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00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: I just I can't see him winning this award.

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter tend to one. Honest to god, he gets

532
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: four picks and makes you know, three highlight wheth he

533
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: plays on defense. People are fucking suckers. They just don't are.

534
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: It's true.

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00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: The voters are suckers. Everyone wants to be validated for

536
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: saying I'm with you. I think it's idiotic to be

537
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: saying this guy, to be having conversations about this guy

538
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: playing aggressively both ways, but they took it so seriously

539
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: in the draft coverage, they talked about it so much.

540
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: One guy was saying, I forgot who it was. Was like,

541
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: it's actually easier to do it in the NFL because

542
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: there's fewer plays. It was just like people are trying

543
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: to will this to be a thing. Travis Hunter like

544
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: at ten to one, someone wants to make this happen.

545
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: And when someone wants to make something happen in the NFL,

546
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: fucking happens.

547
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: That's true.

548
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: Favorite stadium arena you've been in, and the stadium you've

549
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: never been in that you would love to travel to

550
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: for a game.

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00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll be biased, like Citizens Bank Park. I

552
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: just it's a very special place for me. And you know,

553
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: I'm a big Phillies fan, and I see the VET

554
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: would be number one as an old Eagles fan. Great

555
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: memories of being in the VET in the nineties, tons

556
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: of losing. I was there for that Tampa game in

557
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: the freezing cold as well, where it was guaranteed we're

558
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 3: going to beat Tampa.

559
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: They don't win in the cold, and a pick six

560
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: by Barber and it was all downhill from there. So yeah,

561
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: for base.

562
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: Being a fan base, you know, Eagles fan, I would say,

563
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: that's that's really special for me a team.

564
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm going to say this.

565
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 3: It's It's probably the best ballpark I ever went through,

566
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: just being nostalgic as a little kid. Was Yankees Ballpark,

567
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: Like when I was a kid going there, you know, knowing.

568
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: All the history.

569
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: I feel like there was a wall with all the

570
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 3: different players pictures on it, and there was like some

571
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame walk through in there and just all that.

572
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: It's called Monument Park.

573
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was in the old Yankee Stadium.

574
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: It was just crazy thinking back to that, and then

575
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: I guess Stateium. I want to go to Chad knows Cubs.

576
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: I wanted to go there when we were in Chicago.

577
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: I wanted to catch a game. It's always been on

578
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: my bucket list. I'm just never in Chicago when they

579
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: either Cubs were playing at home or like, it just

580
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 3: doesn't line up right. So that's that's still my number one.

581
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: I just got to get the Wrigley at some point

582
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Speaker 3: in my life.

583
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: You know what, You and I we got to go

584
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Speaker 1: to a day game at Wrigley. Seriously, because I went

585
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: to Chicago. I'll make it work the the you know,

586
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk right about this in the book,

587
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: But the guy who invented the point spread lived in

588
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: Chicago and spent so many days at Wrigley Field for

589
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: day games, betting with his neighbors that he was sitting

590
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: next to. And so you know, and now the Cubs

591
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: they've got a DraftKings sportsbook at Wrigly and I want

592
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: to go to the game and sit in stands. You

593
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: should come with me as a better Uh, it would

594
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: be really fun. Wriggly for sure. I feel like you

595
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: can't answer this question without count accounting for sort of

596
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: the emotional elements.

597
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

598
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: Go look Wriggly in the World Series when they beat

599
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: the Indians and it was they were down three to

600
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: two and heading back to Cleveland. That's going to be

601
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: as good as it gets, right, being a soldier field

602
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: for the playoffs for the eighty five season, for that

603
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: Giants game and then the Rams, like, that's brilliant. It's

604
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: never going to be topped being at the old Chicago

605
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: Stadium when Michael Jordan would have it rocking. Of course,

606
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: like other people might not feel that way, but I'm

607
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: going to feel that way. I would say the best

608
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: one I've ever been in, not emotionally connected, has to

609
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: be Death Valley at LSU easily the most electric, exciting

610
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: in stadium experience I've ever had.

611
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: I was a game, who were they playing?

612
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: Twenty twelve night game Saturday night against Alabama. Wow, Bama

613
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: was one, LSU was five or something.

614
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: To score nine to six. Those were like the nine six, twelve.

615
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: Ten years Bama won like on the last drive of

616
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: the game, a comeback. I had been there for ESPN,

617
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: the magazine we used to these issues called one Day,

618
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: one Game, where we would cover the whole issue would

619
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: be dedicated to everything it takes to pull off this

620
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: huge event. So we were at the tailgate, we were

621
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Speaker 1: in the locker room. We were in the Crimson Tide

622
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: locker room. When they're hanging up the uniforms. We've got

623
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Speaker 1: a sort of photo booth set up with fans who

624
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: come through. Actually behind me on the wall you can

625
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: see like some of the pictures that we took from that,

626
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: I'm right in front of it. But that one right

627
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: there is from the very end of the game, after

628
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: LSU had lost. That was two fans just sitting there

629
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: alone at the top of the stadium because they were

630
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: so dejected. That was the last page of the magazine

631
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: for that issue. But jeez, that that was insane and

632
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: the stadium. I'd want to go to Wembley for a

633
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: for a football match. How do you not want to

634
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: go to Wembley for a football match?

635
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: That's pretty good.

636
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 3: I mean I've been to Manchester for a match like

637
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 3: that was obviously life changing.

638
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's as an American.

639
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 3: I tell anyone that ever asked me, if you can

640
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 3: get to a football match, any club really does not matter.

641
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: Just get in there, get with the fans, have a

642
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: couple of drinks, and get singing. It's just it really

643
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 3: changed your perspective as an American fan going over to England

644
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: seeing a match.

645
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: Uh oh. Our listeners are like this one. What is

646
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: one food you'd love to make your co host eat?

647
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Do you want to know what mine is?

648
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

649
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: I think you'd love it. I'd like you to have

650
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: cottage cheese.

651
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Speaker 2: I'm already out with but I think I can make

652
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Speaker 2: some type of cottage.

653
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Speaker 1: I think I can make it completely edible for you. Okay,

654
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: it's cottage cheese. And there's like a brand called good

655
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: cottage cheese, and it's delicious. It's thicker, so it's not

656
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: like runny like your nineteen seventies cottage cheese that comes

657
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: with peaches. You put some date caramel in there. You

658
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: know what date caramel is. No, Oh, my god, dad,

659
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: caramel is the best. You take the dates, you take

660
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: out the pits. You pour boiling water over the dates.

661
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: You let them sit for fifteen minutes. You take them out,

662
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: you put them in a blender. You put in half

663
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: a can of coconut milk, a little cinnamon, a little vanilla.

664
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Speaker 1: You blend it and you've got like this creamy, delicious,

665
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: healthy sweetener. You put a spoonful of date caramel in there,

666
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: and you take some roasted nuts and you uh, and

667
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: then you put like an apple or some blueberries or raspberries,

668
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: any kind of fruit you like, and you mix it up. Simon,

669
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: It's it's freaking heaven. It's so good and very healthy breakfast.

670
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: All right, So I'm gonna go to complete ops away.

671
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: I was trying to think, what, like, I have a

672
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: couple of different foods that are my go to as

673
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 3: a guy who's a bigger guy. We have every bigger

674
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: guy's sad food what food we go to and we're sad.

675
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: So whenever we have a bad.

676
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 3: Losing day on this show, especially when we do our

677
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 3: Sunday night shows, as soon as I hop on here,

678
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 3: this is seriously the low of lows, I'll door dash

679
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: from Cinabun and I will get a cinnabun. And that's

680
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 3: why I would love to see Chatty an eight hundred

681
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: thousand calories cinnabun with just pure sugar, nothing, nothing healthy,

682
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: and it just cooked by some seventeen year old and

683
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: some mall somewhere. That's just terrible. I would love to

684
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: see you eat a cinnamon which I absolutely love.

685
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: By the way, you know what's crazy. You just mentioned

686
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: it was your sad food. It was my sad and

687
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: lonely food too. Back in the day. So when I

688
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: when I was writing The Odds, which was the best

689
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: selling book I did about sports betting, you know, in

690
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: the early twoth I would be in Vegas for multiple

691
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: days on end, and then I'd take a red eye

692
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: back from Vegas to New York. I usually on Sunday

693
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: nights at the I'd like go straight from the sports

694
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: book to the airport and I'd hop on the plane,

695
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: but it would be getting late, and there weren't a

696
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: lot of things that were open then, and so the

697
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: saddest food you could have is the cinnabon on the

698
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: way to your gate, just getting through security at mccaren Airport.

699
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: And I would sit there in the under the fluorescent

700
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: lights two hours before my plane left, because I was

701
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: stuck in no man's land and it's a red eye

702
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: and I'm having this sinnabon and it's just filling me

703
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: up and making me sick. And then I got to

704
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: go take out my contacts and walk onto the plane blind,

705
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: and I I got to try to fall asleep. And

706
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: the next day I gotta go to work. I'd land

707
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: and have to go right to work, take a bus

708
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: from freaking Newark Airport into the city. That was my

709
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: saddest meal. You're right, I'm with you.

710
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: Let's say you've never hit rock bottom until you're trying

711
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 3: to send him on your PLUSK fork just snaps in

712
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: half because.

713
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: It's such an ultimate process. Sure, cooking the heater for

714
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: three days.

715
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: Why can't they just make the fork stronger at the cinema?

716
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

717
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: It's so true, all right, there are some season long

718
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley markets available, Simon specifically you any thoughts on

719
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: any markets that are available, you know, can he break

720
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: the season rushing record or anything that you want to

721
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: take a look at.

722
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, again, this is my job people as a fan,

723
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 3: obviously I want Saquan to have great things happened to him.

724
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: He crossed the most dangerous.

725
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 3: Number in all football chat he crossed the two K number,

726
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 3: and we have his store of data to back it

727
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: up where it's it's never good. And you know, my

728
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: mindset of it is, this guy is the freak of freaks.

729
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,479
Speaker 3: He left some yards on the field that he could

730
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 3: have easily got way more yards than he even did.

731
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: And he's only going to get better year two behind

732
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: this offensive line, and it should be great. But we've

733
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: seen the numbers, like if you want to bet against it,

734
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 3: you're gonna make money long term betting against.

735
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 2: The player after rushing for two K.

736
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: So my mentality of it, I mean it sucks to

737
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: be negative, is I'll take all of his unders.

738
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: It's just it's just the way you have to do it.

739
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 3: It's all of it's gonna be peaked value at this point,

740
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: it's going to be an easy bet for most public.

741
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 2: Betters, but I would say, just run it from far away.

742
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 3: It's just gonna be, you know, a number bumped up

743
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 3: too much to ever have value on it. So yeah,

744
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: I hate to be the negative one, but I'm down

745
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: obviously on Saquon.

746
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Speaker 2: Coming to this upcoming season.

747
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Speaker 1: Breaking New y sovereignty, winner of the Kentucky Dribby will

748
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: not be running in the preetness. I don't have any

749
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: other information. I only have what's in the chat from

750
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: what I assume is Gifford, who was also telling me

751
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: that the game I referenced LSU Alabama AJ McCarran to TJ. Weldon.

752
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: I think it was a screen to win the game

753
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: twenty one seventeen. I'll also say my other sad food.

754
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: When I was in high school and my girlfriend broke

755
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: up with me a week after prom because she wanted

756
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: to date a dude who she had always had a

757
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: crush on, who had just broken up with his girlfriend

758
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: and she always wanted dat him before they graduated. She

759
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: was a year older little Frozen Sarah Lee cheesecakes, and

760
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: I was eating them on top of my covers on

761
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: a trundle bed in my tidy whities watching Saturday Night

762
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: Live when my parents came home from being out and

763
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: my dad walked into my room and saw me and

764
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: looked at me and said, she dumped you. Huh said yeah.

765
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: He said that was like that looks like it hurts,

766
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:11,959
Speaker 1: and then he left.

767
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: God, I wish Barry was my dad.

768
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: Dude, you know Barry, you know Barry.

769
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: He's the best.

770
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Barry also in that room, stayed with

771
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: me all night after I was puking while drinking Jack

772
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: Daniels to celebrate getting into Tulane University, and then made

773
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: me get up at six am to go work at

774
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: the pharmacy where I had a weekend job, and I

775
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: had a seven am shift and they sent me home

776
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: about two hours later because I couldn't keep anything down.

777
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: Oh god, Oh yeah, Barry, he was one for the

778
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: work ethic. All right, last question before we get out

779
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: of here, hold on wordd I lost it here for

780
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: a second. Oh this was the best one. Shdor Sanders?

781
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: Will Dor Sanders be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns? Really,

782
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: the market is who will be the starting quarterback for

783
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns? Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Uh, Dylan Gabriel,

784
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: Dr Sanders. Who are you betting on right now?

785
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you not bet Flacco?

786
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 3: It just feels like he's the type of guy who's

787
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,479
Speaker 3: played the offense before, knows what to do, and he'll

788
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 3: have a step up in all these young kids fighting for,

789
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: you know, the positions behind him. I feel like, as

790
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: much I want to make it Sanders that I just

791
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: he would really have to wow them right away, Chad.

792
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, for me, I'll go boring, I'll go Joe.

793
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: Flacco just feels like he's gonna have a leg up

794
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 3: on all of them because you know, he's just seen

795
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 3: it all and that's just that's a big deal, especially

796
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: where you know these guys not only a they're playing

797
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 3: for you know, the number two, number three job. Someone's

798
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: gonna lose their job, right They're not carrying four guys

799
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 3: into the season, So yeah, it's I can't see Kenny

800
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: Pickett beaten out Flacco, but I could see Sanders go

801
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: for his money because I do think he has a

802
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 3: ton of talent.

803
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: Oh, I think this is Shador sanders job to lose.

804
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: He is gonna come in.

805
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: Do you see the video of the team when they

806
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 3: drafted him, the GM and the coach.

807
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: They didn't look happy, no, but they're gonna be. If

808
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: de Door Sanders is coming in, he's gonna fight for

809
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: that job. He's gonna win that job. He's gonna be

810
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. They got nothing

811
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: to lose. They're not gonna win anything with Joe Flack,

812
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: or they're not gonna win anything with Kenny Picky. You

813
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: might as well find out now. Is shud or Sanders

814
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: going to be the guy or are you gonna tank

815
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: immediately to go into the next year and get one

816
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks that everyone says is sort of gonna

817
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 1: make up a much better quarterback class. I think it's

818
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: gonna be Sugar Sanders love it. I think Kenny Pickett's

819
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: gonna get cut. All right. Simon and I will return

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