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Speaker 1: This edition of Poppa's Perspective is brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Bob's Discount Furniture, official furniture store and a Mattress partner

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Speaker 1: of the New York Giants. And on this episode, we

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Speaker 1: welcome in Super Bowl champion Kevin Boss, who joins us

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Speaker 1: here on the show. Kevin, Great, catching up. How are you,

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Speaker 1: my friend?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great. Yeah, it's an honor to be here

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Speaker 2: with you. Just looking forward to chatting and good to

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Speaker 2: hear your voice.

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Speaker 1: Kevin. Let's talk a little bit about, you know, first

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Speaker 1: getting drafted by the New York Giants and what that

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Speaker 1: was like for you coming in as a kid that

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Speaker 1: grew up out on the West Coast and now all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, here you are coming to New York

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Speaker 2: I mean it it was a big jump just going

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Speaker 2: from Division two football to the NFL. You know that

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Speaker 2: that was a big jump in it of itself. Just

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Speaker 2: the speed of the game. I mean really, the biggest

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Speaker 2: the x'es and o's. I think in Division two football

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Speaker 2: I could get away with just you know, being a

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Speaker 2: better athlete than everybody. But yeah, that was that was

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that was big.

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Speaker 2: But let alone, just going from a tiny little town

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Speaker 1: Before we get into you know, the big catch in

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl forty two and helping beat the Patriots, let's

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about you know, you come to

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Speaker 1: the team and I think some fans forget about Jeremy

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Speaker 1: Shockey was there and he wound up getting hurt late

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Speaker 1: in the season, thus your role started to increase. What

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Speaker 1: was it like being an understudied Jeremy Shaki and what

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Speaker 1: did you learn from Eli and all those guys as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I felt like I was really lucky that

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Speaker 2: that had, you know a bunch of vets. There was

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Speaker 2: guys that you know, Eli and Amani and Jeremy and

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Speaker 2: Plaques and Straighthan and I mean it was just so

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Speaker 2: many you know, older veteran guys that have been around,

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Speaker 2: and we're really a lot of guys that were like

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Speaker 3: And but yeah, Shaki was one of those guys.

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Speaker 2: And I it was, you know, again being the Division

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Speaker 2: these guys. I I remember, you know, I played tight

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Speaker 2: then being drafted by the Giants, and so to all

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Speaker 2: And then I also grew up in Mission fans, so

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Speaker 2: Amani was one of those guys I locked onto early on,

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Speaker 2: but learned learned a ton from Jeremy. He was an

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Speaker 2: incredible player. I think sometimes people forget just how good

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Speaker 3: For a season and to learn behind him really helped me.

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Speaker 1: So Kevin tell us to talk us through the forty

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Speaker 2: What was the conversation like, Yeah, you know, it was

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Speaker 2: It was more like you got to get of credit

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Speaker 3: Eli threw me a good.

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Speaker 2: Ball and man, if I always say, if I was

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Speaker 3: Hey, Like I think if we'd throw.

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Speaker 2: A little yo yo motion in here, Yeah, stretch it

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Speaker 3: And sure enough it was.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting, right, So for the older Giant

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Speaker 1: it was one of those things that really resonated with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we were struggling a little bit to

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Speaker 1: You know, in the aftermath of it, all right, the

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Speaker 1: and you know, the ball getting deflected at the last minute.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how surreal was it for you that a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think at the time, I just

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Speaker 3: So I took it.

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Speaker 2: I think all of us rookies kind of took it

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Speaker 3: But when you're a rookie and it's your first year,

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Speaker 2: You know, and then you realize just how challenging, how

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: I count my lucky stars and my blessings all the

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Speaker 2: and we had the year that we did that year.

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Speaker 1: In four years with the Giants, forty five starts in

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Speaker 1: fifty eight games, a lot of touchdowns with the Giants,

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Speaker 1: I mean you had eighteen touchdowns, not being like the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was hard, honestly, full transparency, it's

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Speaker 2: And trying to take care of yourself to perform at

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Speaker 3: And I certainly went through that. You know, thankfully I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk a little bit about Boss Sports Performance.

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Speaker 1: Really cool website for those giant fans that might be

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Speaker 1: what what you're trying to build here with this business,

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Speaker 1: what you've accomplished so far, where you see it going.

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Speaker 1: What what's their driving force in this business for you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: I I went through a time in my early high

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Speaker 2: And I did that, and so long story short, it

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Speaker 3: But he really did put me on the right path.

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Speaker 2: And it sparked a love for the weight room, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's like I said, that's kind of comes from,

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Speaker 3: On the youth side.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we we'd say it all the time

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Speaker 3: Kevin.

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Speaker 1: Just one more thing about youth, the youth, you know,

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Speaker 1: We're going to train year round. But then if you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't do it. It's a trap. It is an absolute trap.

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Speaker 2: I just can't implore you enough to let your kids

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, I think having having a leader.

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Speaker 2: You know, we talked about it a little bit beforehand,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I I recently had this conversation when

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Speaker 1: Kevin, we appreciate you taking a couple of minutes to

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Speaker 1: join us. Always great catching up, and thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for your time and best of luck with the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it, Bob, thanks for having me. Man.

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Speaker 1: That's Kevin Boss joining us on this edition of Popper's Perspective,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Bob's Discount Furniture, official furniture store

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Speaker 1: and a Mattress partner of the New York Giants.