1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: Blue Joe Grande and Mark and Craig Wasserman, the Pot 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: Brothers at Law. We're the world's number one podcast for 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: everything cannabis. Welcome to Cannabis Talk one oh one, your 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: world's number one source for everything cannabis with Blue Joe Grande, 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: Mark and Craig Wasserman, the Pot Brothers at Law. And 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: today you've got me Mark Wasserman of the Problem Brothers 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: at Law. And I woke up this morning and my 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: brother found a headline that just made me so happy. 10 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: And this simple headline reads, there won't be a th 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: HC limit for driving California. Now google your state. All 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: states are different. States are coming up with their own laws. 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: Nevada has a ridiculous law that if you have like 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: point one percent n anagram and your your blood no 15 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: matter what, you're considered a d u I, which is 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: just outrageous. But let's get back to California here and 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: the California Highway Patrol which set up a task force 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: on driving under the influence of cannabis. Now, those of 19 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: you who know the Pop Brothers that law might know 20 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: that we have not a longstanding relationship with the HP, 21 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: but we've had a lot of confrontations through our clients 22 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: with the h P, and they have often done a 23 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: lot of dirty things, stealing money under the guise of 24 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: taking it as for a seizure. You know, we once 25 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: got over two dollars back that was illegally confiscated by 26 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: the c And they are constantly pulling people over to 27 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: find a way to get in their car and to 28 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: do searches, and they don't understand that the smell is 29 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: no longer probably cause I go off on a tangent 30 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: with the HP because this article, I've got to commend 31 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: the CHP for finally coming out and concluding that there 32 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: should be no set limit of th HC or th 33 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: HC metabolites in the bloodstream. No set limits. What does 34 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: that mean. Well, when we look at alcohol in California, 35 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: point o eight blood alcohol content is the limit. If 36 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: you are at or over that limit, it is a 37 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: legal presumption that you are impaired to drive. That was 38 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: done decades of testing and quantifying and doing everything scientifically 39 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: to show that was reasonable. Now that's gonna vary, and 40 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: there are different defenses a sending levels descending levels, But 41 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: that's for another show, another time, another place. When we're 42 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: talking about alcohol, don't drink and dry. In fact, let 43 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: me say this, as we always said, do not drive impaired. 44 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: Don't drive impaired on anything, whether it's alcohol, prescription medication, cannabis. 45 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: If you're sleep the front deprived, if you haven't slept 46 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: in three days, or you have insomnia and you get 47 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: behind the wheel and then you fall asleep, that's gonna 48 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: be troubled. Never drive impaired on anything where we don't 49 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: talk to people about utilizing your rights who are driving 50 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: around impaired. It's not about that. In Cannabis is the 51 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: worst in terms of getting busted when there's really nothing there. Alright, 52 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: So back to this article, law enforcement, as HP says, 53 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: should use the best available, scientifically validating roadside presumptive drug 54 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: testing technology for possible drug impaired driving investigations. Now this 55 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: is what the HP task for Task for wrote. California 56 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: does not currently have a legal bloodstream concentration limit for 57 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: th for th HC, but it does for alcohol. As 58 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: we just explain. Now, currently officers use field sobriety tests 59 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: to determine cannabis impairment Now let's talk about field sobriety 60 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: tests in California. Touched the nose, walk the line, follow 61 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: my finger, and the slew of others are voluntary, completely voluntary. 62 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: Let me repeat that field sobriety tests in California are voluntary. 63 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: Do not do them, ever, and google your state. We've 64 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: googled lots of states and we have found there are 65 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: very similar laws and that doing the field sobriety tests 66 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: are in fact voluntary in a lot of states. But 67 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: we can only advise in the test California. Google your 68 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: state about those fields varriety tests and the on site breathalyzer. 69 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: Now we must comment if you refuse a chemical test 70 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: after being arrested. After arrest means being putting cuffs, taken 71 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: into custody, taken to the station. Then under the DMV 72 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: rules when you signed your license for the implied consent 73 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: law that says you will submit to a chemical test 74 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: if alleged d u I arrest happens. If you refuse that, 75 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: the d m V takes your license for one year. 76 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: Not the courts, the d m V revokes your license 77 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: for refusing, so look that up in your state as well. Now, 78 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: some other states like Colorado, as I mentioned earlier, and 79 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: Nevada have limits on t HC metabolites in the bloodstream. 80 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: So check out your state always. You can go to 81 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: normal dot org and O r m L dot org 82 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: and they have great resources for all of this information 83 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: state to state. Now, let's get back to these blood tests, right, 84 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: the blood tests you know for alcohol, fine, whatever, we're 85 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: not talking about that, but the blood tests for cannabis 86 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: inherently flawed. Research has shown, and again I'm quoting this 87 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: article about the HP and their task force and their 88 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: research and their studies, Joe, their studies, because they don't 89 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: indicate how long the THHC has been in the system, 90 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: the driver's tolerance, how high they actually are or whether 91 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: they are impaired at that moment. How high they actually 92 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: are has nothing to do with impaired driving. What is 93 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: that even mean? The word high? Oh, I'm high, I'm high, 94 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm high up in the sky. I mean that word 95 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: is it's been so overused when it comes to cannabis. 96 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: What we're talking about is impairment. They also can't give 97 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: a precise indication of when the person consumed cannabis. We 98 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: we've known this, We've been saying it for years. I've 99 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: been representing clients for twenty six years for criminal defense 100 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: for d u I, and particularly these cannabis DUIs. I've 101 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: seen it firsthand where people are getting arrested and they 102 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: rat on themselves and they screw themselves because they say, oh, well, 103 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: I just smoked an hour ago, I just spoke three 104 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: hours ago. Hell I smoked last night and I drove 105 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: this morning. Well the problem with that is when you 106 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: go in front of a jury twelve people read for 107 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: madness still exists. You smoked a couple of hours ago, 108 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: Like Jesus you you probably shouldn't smoke the rest of 109 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: the day. And then now you now you're convicted of 110 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: a d u I gonna funk up your life, gonna 111 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: suck things up all because you didn't know your rights 112 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: and you were scared and you admitted to using a 113 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: plant that didn't even impair your driving. That's the importance 114 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: of our words script and shutting the funk up. You know, 115 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw that in now. The Impaired Driving Task 116 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: Force was created by state legislature at the same time 117 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: California legalized it. Don't use cannabis. What let me read 118 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: that again. The Impaired Driving Task Force was created by 119 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: the state legislature at the same time California legalized that 120 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: don't use cannabis now whow his memory serves? But don't 121 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: use came around in two thousand sixteen under Prop. Sixty four. 122 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: You telling me it's taken you five fucking years to 123 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: figure this out, You know, just more bullshit so they 124 00:08:55,640 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 1: can drag their feet and put the thumb under and 125 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: on everybody for impaired driving on cannabis. Now, here's a 126 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: quote from the report, drugs affect people differently. I'm gonna 127 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: change that word. Cannabis affects people differently, depending on many variables. 128 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: A per se limit for cannabis other than should not 129 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: be enacted at this time as current scientific research does 130 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: not support it. A per se limit for cannabis should 131 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: not be enacted at this time because current scientific research 132 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: does not support it. However, the state should continue to 133 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: advance research in this area to include methods of evaluating 134 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: evaluating that impairment. Is there a way you know, they 135 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: have these swabs and you know, your green tongue and 136 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: all this other bs that just doesn't work like alcoholm 137 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: in Jesus Christ. When somebody's drunk, you can tell that 138 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: they're falling all over themselves and they shouldn't be driving. 139 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: In fact, you can tell when somebody's too drunk to 140 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: drive when they simply said, biby, I could drive, I'm 141 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: okay to drive. The person who's using cannabis and is 142 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: too impaired to drive simply will not drive. They will 143 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: turn the keys over and stay here. I'm hungry, I 144 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: need some water, I want some chips. There's no driving impair, 145 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: that's my opinion. And when we come back, we're gonna 146 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: talk more about this task force set up by the 147 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: HP and how they say the technology isn't there yet 148 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: for cannabis d u I methodology to prove it. We'll 149 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: be right back after this Cannabis Talk one oh one. 150 00:10:52,480 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with Cannabis Talk one oh one. 151 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one oh one. Welcome back 152 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: to Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue Joe, Grande, 153 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: Mark and Craig the Pop Brothers at Law. And it 154 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: is me the wass Mark Wasserman of the Pop Brothers 155 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: at Law. Continuing on with this article we found the 156 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: other day about th HC. Limits and driving in California 157 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: and the task force, the HP task Force that DIDs 158 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: a research although it took five years. I don't understand 159 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: why it took so long to but do that as 160 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: it may. It's here and they say the technology isn't 161 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: there yet for these cannabis the UIs. The task force 162 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: was also charged with examining the various technological means available 163 00:11:54,480 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: today for field sobriety tests. Now, various technological tools are 164 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: used to try and I and I emphasized, try to 165 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: determine cannabis impairment. And they've been in development for years, 166 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: from saliva tests to cell phone apps, but none of 167 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: them have shown to be accurate enough or otherwise deemed 168 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: good enough to be broadly adapted now. In addition to 169 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: the toxicology recommendations, the report called for the collection and 170 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: publication of data relating to the number of drivers who 171 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: had cannabis in their system when they were involved in 172 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: accidents or arrested for d U. I now, I'm gonna 173 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: disagree with this portion of it, because just because somebody 174 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: has cannabis in their system means absolutely nothing until you 175 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: can figure out if there's active th C, t h 176 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: C a carboxy th C and get all of that 177 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: stuff filtered out and it can be determined at hey, 178 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: there was active THC in your blood at the time 179 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: of the accident, along with the alcohol, the cocaine, the 180 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: meth and everything else that's in your blood. So by 181 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: just taking a piece of the blood that has THC 182 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: in it doesn't tell us when and where it came from. 183 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: Could have been smoked thirty days ago. So this type 184 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: of data is not currently being collected in any centralized way, 185 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: So how can they figure it out? I don't know. 186 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: I'm not a scientist. I don't do this type of research. 187 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: I just deal with the aftermath of people who rat 188 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: on themselves because they're scared and they weren't pulled over 189 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: because they were weaving and driving all reckless or crazy. No, 190 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: they were pulled over because they didn't use their blinker, 191 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: or they were speeding, or they made an illegal left 192 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: turn or following too close, or there license plate light, 193 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: the rear illuminating light was out, and they get pulled 194 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: over for that. Your tags are expired. You're getting pulled 195 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: over for a multitude of other things, not for driving impaired. 196 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: So when they start asking you questions. Remember, you know 197 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: you shut the funk up when they want you to 198 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: do those field sobriety tests. You make sure you know 199 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: in your state if you have to or not. If 200 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: you don't, don't do them. Do not do that now. 201 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: This task force has also called for extending the standardized 202 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: field sobriety training in all state law enforcement academies academies 203 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: from you ready eight hours to twenty four hours. Now 204 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: hold on, let's back up. Eight hours, eight hours, eight 205 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: full hours of field sobriety training. These cops are I mean, 206 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, they go through the academy in six months, 207 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: seven months, and they get eight hours of this type 208 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: of training. They're freaking experts, and they can certainly tell 209 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: when somebody's d u I after pulling them over for 210 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: just speeding. Jesus Christ. It's out of approximately seventy eight 211 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: thousand sworn law enforcement personnel in California, only se are 212 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: certified as what's called d r S drug recognition evaluators. 213 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: I've been up against some of these drug recognition evaluators. 214 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: Some of them don't know what the hell they're talking about, 215 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to cannabis. So at least at 216 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: least they're opening their eyes and calling out what's needed. 217 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if twenty four hours is that enough. 218 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: Three days of eight hours, I mean, I don't know, 219 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: to be come and expert and proficient at something, I 220 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: don't think twenty four hours is enough. What do you think? 221 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: It's just absolutely ridiculous. Now they go on to say 222 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: that it's a pressing need, a pressing need to figure 223 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: the city. Yeah, well, the no ship. But why don't 224 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: you just pull over people who are driving reckless, weaving 225 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: and you know, driving a ten miles an hour pull 226 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: those people over. While a number of states, as we mentioned, 227 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: have those per se limits for cannabis, d u I test, 228 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: the reliability in determining cannabis impairment has not held up 229 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: to scientific scrutiny at all, and they're pointing this out 230 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: in the report. There appears to be a poor, inconsistent 231 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: relationship between magnitude of impairment and THHC concentrations in biological samples, 232 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: meaning per SE limits can not reliably discriminate between impaired 233 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: from unimpaired drivers. This is what the study says, and 234 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: that just goes right on with what we've always said 235 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: about tolerance levels and different people, and how alcohol and 236 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: cannabis and all sorts of drugs affects everybody differently, So 237 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: there can't be just some standardized number to apply to 238 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: everybody across the board. When it comes to cannabis and 239 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: evaluating impaired driving, you can't evaluate it just by the 240 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: blood alone. You cannot. There's got to be other factors. Again, 241 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: I don't know how they're gonna do this, because when 242 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: you smoke, when you ingest edible tinctures, when you use cannabis, 243 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: it stays in your body for up to thirty days potentially, 244 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: and the testing that's done doesn't go deep enough to 245 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: pull out and extract what's inactive THC that's in there, 246 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: known as the carboxy thc, and all sorts of other 247 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: factors that go into determining whether or not somebody is 248 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: impaired to drive. So those things need to be further studied. 249 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: And like the California Task Force, the researchers wrote that 250 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: there is a pressing need I said it. The researchers 251 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: said it oppressing for new methods to detect cannabis impairment. 252 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: I mean, there's just no way to do it right 253 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: now with whatever they have got, and it's all predicated 254 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: on making you afraid, fear fear. They pull you over, 255 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: and chances are you've smoked, whether it was last or 256 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: used cannabis in some way, because everybody's doing it now. 257 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: I don't care what those people in the green closet 258 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: refused to come out. You're used. And if you get 259 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: pulled over and you're like, oh my god, I smoked 260 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: three hours ago, I ate an edible you know last night. 261 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: Oh what am I gonna do? And the cop pulls 262 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: out a device and says, here, we're gonna have to 263 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: put this on your tongue or we're gonna have to 264 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: do this that well, I I I just used them 265 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: and try to be honest. No, no, do not let 266 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: this freak you out. This just goes right along with 267 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: what the cops can do, lie to you, scare you, 268 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: make you say things that you shouldn't otherwise say. And 269 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: this is a perfect example of when they will try 270 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: to do that, pulling you over and suggesting your d 271 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: U I because it smells or your eyes are red, Jesus, 272 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: maybe I have allergies. Don't fall for it. Please stick 273 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: to our words. Scripts A quick review. Why did you 274 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: pull me over? I'm not discussing my day. Am I 275 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: being detained or am I free to go? If the 276 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: change you invoked the fifth and you shut the funk up? 277 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: Depending on your state, you're gonna say it again. Check 278 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: and see if you have to do the field sobriety tests, 279 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: and then after arrested, if you need to do the 280 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: blood breath or eurine. Please google your state's laws. We 281 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: will have more right after this break. It's Cannabis Talk 282 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: one oh We'll be right back with Cannabis Talk one 283 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: oh one. Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one oh one. 284 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: Are you looking for high quality seeds or head to 285 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: rocket seeds dot Com or on Instagram at rocket Seeds 286 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: or excuse me on Instagram at rocket Underscore Seeds for 287 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: trusted cannabis seeds. 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Jan Erica, 295 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: Daniel cal Ire to our Christian Denny, I love the hair, 296 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: Kevin Andrew, Zack Camp, Cash, Solard, Nadia, Ali, Gabrielle, Trey 297 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: von Pitt, Chris Frank Kino, Jennifer and Elvis and a 298 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: partridge in a para tree Mark, What do you got 299 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: there with? Cannabis goes bad? Brother? Oh Man, cannabis is 300 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: really going bad? This headline. I just hate it. I 301 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: hate reading stuff like this, but it's out there and 302 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: we got to report it. Fenting all laced cannabis. Dude. 303 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: When I've seen that, I was like, are you serious? Now? 304 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: This is what's going on in the game in dozens 305 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: of Connecticut overdoses, possibly the first confirmed case in the 306 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: United States. So we have health officials in Connecticut who 307 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: are issuing a warning about fentyl laced cannabis, which is 308 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: being eyed in a rash of overdoses throughout the states. 309 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: Are they just what do you think? Are they mashing 310 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: it and just sprinkling the powder on it? Like, how 311 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: are they getting it in there? They're making it a 312 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: liquid form, And then I wonder how they're doing that, 313 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, they could be lacing the joints there, that 314 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: could be cocoa puffing, and there could be so many 315 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: different who knows what. Well, the point is though, that 316 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: people are thinking that they're using cannabis and that's not 317 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: what's happening. Since July th overdoses requiring how many overdoses 318 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: thirty nine thirty nine overdoses in Connecticut alone? Huh, in 319 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: Connecticut alone, where they've had to use Noli song to 320 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: revive people. And in each of the cases, the person 321 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: involved said they only smoke cannabis, but they were just 322 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: explaying symptoms of having used opioids. So you've got a 323 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: cluster of cases reported in October and Plymouth and officials 324 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: say the incidents have been dispersed across the state. So 325 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: a lab test of some of the cannabis used in 326 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: some of the Plymouth Plymouth cases confirming the presence of 327 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: actual fentanyl. So it's confirmed that it was fentanyl. So 328 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: and this is the first lab confirmed case of cannabis 329 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: with fentanyl in Connecticut. And you know, we're we're we're 330 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: just we're hearing more and more about these things. It's 331 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: nothing new, right, Lason, cutting things, Well, it is new 332 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: Mark in the in the aspect of I mean, growing up, 333 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: we've all seen that. You know, maybe on a little 334 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: cannabis you may spray it down with a little water 335 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: here and there when Pitt was selling you a badge, 336 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It depends on who is brother. 337 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: Pitt's over there going, well, I'm a spreaded with and 338 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: brown sugar. You make my weird little sweeter. And of 339 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,239 Speaker 1: course we used the or not we Some people may 340 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: have used the vitamin D and the coke gang back 341 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: in the day, you know what I mean. So that's 342 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: been stepped on and been done many times over. We've 343 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: seen it, we've heard it, but we've never heard putting 344 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: this on cannabis. I mean fett as the cannabis. Well, 345 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: the point is, when I first read this story, Mark, 346 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: the point is this the devil. That's the point. That's 347 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: exactly how I felt. Dog. I went straight spiritual and said, 348 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: cannabis is such a spiritual, beautiful thing that when this happened, 349 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: I blamed the devil for it, because he's getting his 350 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: hands on something that is so pure and so wonderful 351 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: and such a great tool for everyone in the world. Right, 352 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: And I swear to you mark. That's where I went Mentally. 353 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,479 Speaker 1: I didn't think, oh, what a sick motherfucker, which of 354 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: course that's what it is. But then I went deeper 355 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: and I went, who were these sick motherfucker's that are 356 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: lacing cannabis with fettanol? Disciple of the Devil, that's disciples 357 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: of the devil, well said, Disciples of the devil who 358 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: do this, and and the same ones that do that 359 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: into your you know, Halloween candy and they're putting that 360 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: with their old school razor blades. And then this year 361 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: we read a story on make sure you look out 362 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: for cannabis and your things because of the nerds and 363 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: the Star and all this other stuff that you're looking at. 364 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: And when you think about people who are doing that, 365 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: you're just doing the devil's work. You're a fucking cynical bastard, 366 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: like who in their right mind thinks, oh, you got 367 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: a great idea, what let's um put some none of that. 368 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: You're wasting money, you're buying fednel, and you're wasting your 369 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: time to break it down, and however way you're breaking 370 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: it down to put it on the cannabis. It's just 371 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: a cynical evil trick that just bothered me to the 372 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: core when I first read the story, and as you 373 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: share this, when cannabis goes bad story, it pisces me 374 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: off because now you're giving these fucking people who are 375 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: borderline non cannabis friendly thinking it's okay to go see 376 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: that to you. I told you, you know what I mean, 377 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: And you're feeding that whole society because now the propaganda 378 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: becomes even crazier because now we have a real story, 379 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: because it's a real story, you know what I mean. 380 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just that the story. Let's not forget 381 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: and this is where it all gets sucked up. What's 382 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: the story of the story is Fenton all kills. Fentanol 383 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: is something that shouldn't be used, and then it's gonna 384 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: be cannabis kills, right because they're gonna smoke the cannabis 385 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: that has the fentanyl in it. And we already can 386 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: see the headlines. I could see it on picked the 387 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: article Cannabis killed thirty. I mean, you have thirty three 388 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: people that died so far. That's the that's the headline 389 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: fitting all lace cabin I mean, that's the headline. And 390 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: of course it's gonna be cannabis. You know, it should 391 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: be just fitting all. You're right because cannabis has not 392 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: been known to yet kill somebody from using it ever, 393 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: and therefore, when you have a story like this, it's 394 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: going to leak and go crazy. And when I've seen this, 395 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: like I said, it hurt me to the core because 396 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: it's just gonna make people go well, and not on 397 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: that it's gonna get those sickers those I love your term. 398 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna use that those Disciples of the Devil. That 399 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: was such as I gotta tell you that was so well, 400 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: that was. I think it's because it's Hanka that you 401 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: come out with us right now that you know it 402 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: does scream of some sort of poetry. So I will 403 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: write something about the disciples of the Devil and what 404 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: they're doing to our blessed cannabis plans. You really should 405 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: because that line that you just poetically said that I 406 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: keep smnying about the Disciples of the Devil. They're about everything, right. 407 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: Those are the ones that are shooting up to school. 408 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: We just had another shooting again in Michigan. We see 409 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: these Disciples of the Devil spreading around with beyond cannabis. 410 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: But when I've seen this with cannabis. I go, wow, 411 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: look who's entering the cannabis game. The devil. The devil's here. 412 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: Well he's kind of been here. But now let's remember 413 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: i'm guessing. You know you're not gonna see this in 414 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: a licensed, legal market and shop, right, this is well, 415 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: I don't think I think you can even go further 416 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: than saying I'm guessing, because you know, we gotta look 417 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: at what's at a legal license dispensary and say it's 418 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: been lab tested and it's gone to the proper protocoll 419 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: and it's been through this stage, that stage, and it 420 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: normally when they test one batch, those batches go to 421 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: the distribution. That batch should not be pretty much stepped 422 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: on like this. So I would roll the dice and say, almost, 423 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: you're right, anything can happen, because I could slice something 424 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: in that bag, spray it, do something. It can. But 425 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: I think it's a nine fair ratio to say if 426 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: you buy from a legal dispensary that's on the b 427 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: you know mean the BCC you're you're looking up, You're 428 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: not going to some bullshit shop that's Mark Washerman's dispensary. 429 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: I mean that might be a good and and if 430 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: something goes bad, you could sue someplace. Yeah, well, if 431 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: you go buy from Amy's dispensary out and fucking Redlands, 432 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: for sure, it's you know, you don't know what you're 433 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: getting there. You know there's that scenario. But you gotta 434 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: go to a license spot, is my point. And it's 435 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: just sad to think and see that. This is a story. 436 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: And I've been waiting for one of us to bring 437 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: this story up, and I'm glad you did because you 438 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: came up with the best line ever. These Disciples of 439 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: the Devil, I think, actually, Danny, that might even have 440 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: to be the title of this whole um, Disciples of 441 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: the Devil into the cannabis game. This is a well 442 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: versed thing, Mark, And thank you for saying that and 443 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: sharing that story. And for those that do get that 444 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: are in not Michigan, Connecticut area? Correct, Connecticut. Yes, And 445 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: and here's the worst part about that though, just like 446 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: the virus, once it comes to this shore, that shore, 447 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna fucking spread. And once these idiots who are 448 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: Disciples of the Devil cea, Oh, that's a good idea. 449 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: Let me try to get some of this in my ship, 450 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 1: you know, what I mean or one of the sense, 451 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: and that's what I'm trying to say, Like you're not 452 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: saving money, you're not saving time, you're not coming up 453 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: like I look at things like that that people do 454 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: as a come up. If not, you're just a disciple 455 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: of the devil. You're just an evil fuck, because why 456 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: would you do something like even putting vitamin D and 457 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: the coke back in the date even today shop who 458 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: we could in vitamin you mix it right, it's a 459 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: come up. You're not harming anybody. You sniff a little 460 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: vitamin You're good. I mean, you know I've lost Lord knows, 461 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: I've done a lot of it my tooth. I'm good, 462 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: It's fine. My point is when you step on ship 463 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: like that and you do these things, it shouldn't be 464 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: to make things bad for somebody. No, not to kill 465 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: him and hurt him. And there's just no, there's no 466 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: other reason other than somebody's getting their jollies off of 467 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: seeing a headline like oh yeah we got was got some. 468 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: I don't get it. I'll never you know, I don't. 469 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm surprised you don't get it, because you know that's 470 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: your people that do that ship. I don't know about that. Now. 471 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: I may have represented people like that in the past. 472 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: How do you know, hold on, that's a good time. 473 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: Have you ever represented anybody that's done some stupid step 474 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: on ship like that? Yes, shut your mouth. Yes, and 475 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: they go and guess where they end up? Prison for 476 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: less time because I usually cut a good deal. But 477 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: you know, you know, people don't understand his criminal defense attorney. 478 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: Oftentimes a win is only like a year in jail 479 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: for somebody. What's a good quick story? Tell me when 480 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: that somebody stepped on something. I'd love to hear a 481 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: quick one from the uh okay, so representing disciples of 482 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: the Night? Well, so right. I had been in a 483 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:26,959 Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney from two years I've been a criminal 484 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: defense attorney. Somebody came to me, they were charged with, um, 485 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of drug charges. Was your last name 486 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: appleby no, just checking? It was the Apple be Apple? Okay, 487 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: close enough, I'm just checking because I'm looking at you 488 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,479 Speaker 1: my resources, and I'm seeing some names pop up here too, 489 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: just questioning and go ahead, a slew of drug charges 490 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: and then attempted murder, which in the beginning, it was 491 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: like He's like, I don't know what this What the 492 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: hell what this is? And so ultimately he had whatever 493 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: he cut it up? What it was coke being cut up? 494 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: It wasn't vitamins. It wasn't vitamins. He was probably using 495 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: proteins or you're sitting in their mouth and said, was 496 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: he using whatever the funk it was? It almost killed somebody. Yeah, 497 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: the B twelve is a big one too. It almost 498 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: killed somebody, And so that's considered, while not premeditated or anything, 499 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: reckless endangerment, reckless disregard for human life, reckless drug dealing 500 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: as well, and just extremely reckless. But there were many 501 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: others involved, and so there was like a little By 502 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: the time it got to the person it harmed, we 503 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: were able to show, you know, I didn't have anything 504 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: to do with that, you know, he didn't actually put 505 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: the powder in there and mix it all together and 506 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: try to get rid of it, right, even though they 507 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: were part of the distribution at the end of it 508 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: like here's my key loads or here my ounces whatever whatever, 509 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: more or less. And we were able because there was 510 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: a lot of finger pointing and this guy, as it 511 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: would happen to be, shut the funk up. Oh nice, 512 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: And we ended up, cutting a cutting a good deal, 513 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: cutting a good deal. You know what, that was a 514 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: good deal. That was a good one. That was a 515 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: good fingerbanger laugher like that that not that a ha. 516 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: That was a great one. Thank you for holding us 517 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: down for the first two segments and right now it 518 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: was a great one. For those who don't know you guys, 519 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: it's Cannabis Talk one on one. 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