Speaker 1: Yo, what up? This is Consequence. You know one on
Speaker 1: two was in the building, and make sure you check
Speaker 1: me out on a bootleg keV podcast. Let's go, yo.
Speaker 2: Man, Bootleg keV podcast special guests here the legend Consequence.
Speaker 1: Yo. What the building?
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I think the last time I interviewed you
Speaker 2: was with x V in like two thousand and ten
Speaker 2: or eleven in Vegas. I think we did we might
Speaker 2: have linked. Yeah, we probably did do Phoenix. But the
Speaker 2: first time then for sure you had like a random
Speaker 2: show on the strip in front of the New York
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Shout out to Tony from Red Bull. We did
Speaker 1: the Bull joint. Yeah, yeah, I remember that joint.
Speaker 2: XV Man. Shout out to x V.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to XV. Wherever you at, man, Holla, man, word, you.
Speaker 2: Could just move it if you want. You just came
Speaker 2: back from China, uh yay, and Ty obviously did the
Speaker 2: Vultures experience out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: How was that, man? Because I mean I heard the
Speaker 2: set was like historic in terms of just how long,
Speaker 2: how many songs are done, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was about I want to say, ninety ninety records.
Speaker 1: He ran through like a ninety piece raz.
Speaker 2: Does he like know that that's what's about to happen
Speaker 2: or is it just like just keep going.
Speaker 1: A little bit of bowl because you know, obviously there's
Speaker 1: some parameters to the set, but then there's the feeling
Speaker 1: and then there's the crowd and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and then it's just vibes, you know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Or so that just it was live, Yo, talk to
Speaker 2: me about like how crazy it is, like just you know,
Speaker 2: putting you in like a time machine and going back
Speaker 2: to like the college Dropout tour when you guys had
Speaker 2: like John Legend and maybe being ben I Ree and dilated.
Speaker 2: People's was opening up and.
Speaker 1: You guys, Oh I don't have to do that. You
Speaker 1: was there.
Speaker 2: I was there the pictures Yeah long ago, right, I
Speaker 2: was there right right? But know how crazy is it
Speaker 2: just to think like like did you have like obviously
Speaker 2: at that point in time, even on that tour, he
Speaker 2: was like the hottest rapper still, like you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, But shit's just crazy that the beginning and
Speaker 2: then y'all had the Spaceship Dance y'all were doing on
Speaker 2: stage with GLC right right right right up. Yeah, me
Speaker 2: and my boys will trying to do that the.
Speaker 1: Kimo Sorrio that was Kimo Sorio used to be the
Speaker 1: chief better than the source. Yeah, of course, Hung Kanye
Speaker 1: had a friendship at the time, and she suggested that
Speaker 1: there'd be some kind of I don't know, the Four
Speaker 1: Tops or some ship. But so that was the suggestion.
Speaker 1: This is like kind of make it more than just uh,
Speaker 1: you know, God's up there wrapping and whatever. So we
Speaker 1: just you know, brainstorming count and just came up with that,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was one of those things. It
Speaker 1: was just like, no, I'm not doing the Spaceship dance, dog,
Speaker 1: I don't do the Spaceship dance. And then next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, I and it's worked though, you know, every
Speaker 1: time it was like a quirky, unexpected favorite thing of
Speaker 1: the of the of the tour just when we would now,
Speaker 1: mind you, Spaceship was a lot of people's favorite record
Speaker 1: for sure, but that part in particular was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: they're gonna do that ship tonight type of shit, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So it worked out, not for sure, it's crazy too
Speaker 2: because like if you go back then, I remember I
Speaker 2: think I want to say at the merch boots like
Speaker 2: John Legend had a mixtape before anybody knew.
Speaker 1: Who he was. I had a mixtape.
Speaker 2: You had a mixtape.
Speaker 1: I had. I pinely this. I gotta due take credit
Speaker 1: for this on the strength of the hustle I because
Speaker 1: remember I put take them to the cleaners out, yes,
Speaker 1: at the same time. So my thing was wasn't the
Speaker 1: first This wasn't the first time that I was on tour, right,
Speaker 1: you got a bear in mind. I was on drive
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean. So I was hell
Speaker 1: bent on getting some paper.
Speaker 2: You're like, yo, I'm gonna get something at that merchant.
Speaker 1: Right right now. The merching table for me was just
Speaker 1: like it was literally like a corner. It was like
Speaker 1: selling drugs. It was like, all right, cool, I'm bring
Speaker 1: all this out, get rid of it. And and I
Speaker 1: was at one point I was on the tour bus
Speaker 1: count so much money that John Legend had his mixtape
Speaker 1: sent out. He was like, wait, I got it, wait
Speaker 1: right right, right right, I'm missing out right right right.
Speaker 1: It was free paper. Yeah, it was free paper, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And we we all eventually because
Speaker 1: we was doing that then it ended up getting the
Speaker 1: Sony deal because we just was on ten with a
Speaker 1: hustle in addition to being with Kanye. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But it's you know, it's one thing to
Speaker 1: be with him, and like you said, we go from
Speaker 1: it's not with the beautiful thing about Kanye's story, you know,
Speaker 1: just from being included, just from the houseide looking it
Speaker 1: is that it wasn't an ordained number one or hottest rapper.
Speaker 2: It was it was earned. It was crashed and clovested in.
Speaker 2: I remember he was on tour with like Toy Live
Speaker 2: in Common right or was it was his quality? It
Speaker 2: was it was quality and gang star or was it
Speaker 2: common It was common right?
Speaker 1: Or was it it might have managers homie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like you said, like he really like it
Speaker 2: wasn't like he was just like or like like he
Speaker 2: kind of was passed over by Jay like like kind
Speaker 2: of like well, I felt like it was kind of
Speaker 2: like an afterthought. He was looked at as a producer,
Speaker 2: like there.
Speaker 1: Was that Well, the thing is this right and fairness
Speaker 1: to jay Z. Right, you have a whole roster of
Speaker 1: what of artists that are in your mold right? Right?
Speaker 1: You know exactly what to do with you know exactly
Speaker 1: what to do with bleak you know exactly what means, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure? Right, then you get the gifts of Sparks, right,
Speaker 1: and because of their personalities and p D and you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And Chris is sixteen when they
Speaker 1: do the High ninety seven joint. Right. So then in
Speaker 1: addition to that, you know, g and hip Hop start
Speaker 1: building the production, right, so that goes from him outsourcing
Speaker 1: production to him having now just Blaze bringing Bincon and
Speaker 1: then Yay comes you know was over with d Do
Speaker 1: and then winds up being managed by gian Hop. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So if you Jay and you're
Speaker 1: looking at your pyramid, you all said every brick is
Speaker 1: in place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need nothing nothing, right, let alone something
Speaker 2: you don't you've never seen before.
Speaker 1: Right, right? And then and then we're trying to re
Speaker 1: reinvent the will with you being a rapper producer instead
Speaker 1: of you being a producer rapper, right, because the will
Speaker 1: is Timberland rasfal Magoo right, right, doctor Dre Raf for
Speaker 1: Snoop Dog. Right. So the producer is good, but he's
Speaker 1: not as good as the rail rapper, right. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: At from a moss at good.
Speaker 1: From a from a stereotype and a stigma point of view,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you know, and in fairness,
Speaker 1: one of the things that kind of changed the course
Speaker 1: of history is just the fact that I wasn't in
Speaker 1: tribe no more. And when me and Kanye linked, we
Speaker 1: both had with each other needed to get into the future,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Because I never I never
Speaker 1: fell off with the business didn't work out, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But that's why when the good, the bad,
Speaker 1: and ugly dropped, I was a whole new motherfucker that
Speaker 1: motherfuckers because they hadn't heard me for a second. I
Speaker 1: was on a Rockefeller be and Kanye rapping with me
Speaker 1: and were killing shit because we don't got nothing to lose, right,
Speaker 1: So then he don't got especially don't got nothing to lose,
Speaker 1: went through the wire drop like he was to the
Speaker 1: point I HUGO wire was like real.
Speaker 2: Like you had to like be real tuned into the
Speaker 2: internet to get because I remember having the O.
Speaker 1: G version right he was, he was really like right,
Speaker 1: but the ship was still shut.
Speaker 2: But it was like you had to get that ship
Speaker 2: off of like message boards or napster whatever.
Speaker 1: But even before we get to that killed. But even
Speaker 1: before we get to that, you know, he gets embrace
Speaker 1: by the heavy hitters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had the heavy hitters, Like by the way,
Speaker 2: I'm a heavy hitter.
Speaker 1: Shot to the heavy Yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out to
Speaker 1: President Day Big Spanish, my dog legend or the legend
Speaker 1: for sure and definitely resident piece of fat Man School
Speaker 1: while we are fact or. But so saying all that
Speaker 1: to say that, you know, his escalation was literally, you know,
Speaker 1: getting up getting a placement on Envy's mixed mixtape album.
Speaker 1: It was a step by step thing. So it wasn't like,
Speaker 1: you know, you, let's.
Speaker 2: Say the one like jay Z came out and said
Speaker 2: this the new dude on like like he kind of
Speaker 2: had to earn that.
Speaker 1: And get the like the official like like like look
Speaker 1: at you electronical for a second, right, like Jay Electronica
Speaker 1: exhibitsy is a massive piece, right, so one of the
Speaker 1: greatest hip hop songs. He doesn't have to really go
Speaker 1: five mixtapes deep, you know what I'm saying. He got
Speaker 1: an established just blaze. He's dealing with Erica, Jay and
Speaker 1: Brace some kaboom right where Yay was like at one
Speaker 1: point trying to be on raucus.
Speaker 2: Right, that didn't work there back then would be considered
Speaker 2: a backpack type artist, a boom back type, right, right.
Speaker 1: So that's also kind of like really kind.
Speaker 2: Of fashion fashion wise didn't line up with really anybody.
Speaker 2: He was just kind of doing the thing on the
Speaker 2: fashion right.
Speaker 1: Right because but but and that's because his producer money
Speaker 1: had him shopping where only rich motherfuckers was shopping at.
Speaker 1: But because he was in the streets, in the street
Speaker 1: culture was at his boom point, it didn't line up
Speaker 1: all the way be cause remember he wearing Louis before
Speaker 1: any like modern time. He really wearing Louis before a
Speaker 1: lot of niggas.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Louis vait done right by
Speaker 2: my mom, a person not sit Louis Vait time.
Speaker 1: Mom right right right right, that type shit. So so
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of things that But then eventually
Speaker 1: once he clicked it all comes with him, right.
Speaker 2: You know What's Crazy is There was like the early
Speaker 2: Kanye like mixtape era, and then he would he ended
Speaker 2: up using some of those verses on like other people
Speaker 2: shit or like even What's Crazy is Home was a
Speaker 2: mixtape record that two albums later became Homecoming, Cold, New
Speaker 2: Beat Cold, you know what I mean. But he had
Speaker 2: that ship on home and then even like I met
Speaker 2: Oprah was crazy, like he had so much and the ship.
Speaker 2: Your guys just mixtape shit. It's just just crazy together.
Speaker 2: And I just feel like people forget about that era. Yay,
Speaker 2: like you go on YouTube and just I think people
Speaker 2: would put him together and calling freshman adjustments.
Speaker 1: Right volume one.
Speaker 2: Yo, I got a random question for you. I always
Speaker 2: wondered if this is true. Is it true that you
Speaker 2: guys had uh porn stars on tour as messuss for
Speaker 2: the Glow in the Dark tour?
Speaker 1: You know, you know ironically, you know you know who
Speaker 1: started that rumor? Who Kate is the mother?
Speaker 2: Oh? Really?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, so not true?
Speaker 1: Ask her ask her son next time you come here,
Speaker 1: No king, But yeah, nah, that that she was. She was.
Speaker 1: That's was the beginning of when we were dealing, began
Speaker 1: dealing with each other. And you know, she she just
Speaker 1: peeped some ship and she was doing gossip for who
Speaker 1: Kids radio show. So that's where I actually came from.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what the yo, don't do that?
Speaker 2: Don't do that?
Speaker 1: Hi?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 1: After the fact now, but don't do that.
Speaker 2: Talk to me about obviously you got your new I'm
Speaker 2: coming out on Friday? Is it next Friday?
Speaker 1: Next twenty seventh? Yes, you got.
Speaker 2: You got a record that dropped with Melle. Obviously Mellie
Speaker 2: has been locked. I think I did the last interview
Speaker 2: with Mellie before you went into prison or got arrested.
Speaker 2: He had a great relationship with Yay. Was that a
Speaker 2: record you guys had worked on obviously before he got
Speaker 2: incarcerated or was it like some vocals you got your
Speaker 2: hands on because I saw you shot out his management, Like,
Speaker 2: how did that come to be?
Speaker 1: We worked on the record the weekend before the same
Speaker 1: weekend got basically got jammed up. Wow, it was like
Speaker 1: one two three boom, What the fuck? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Just as with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we always you know. I came down there
Speaker 1: with Ya and they did their collab. Yeah, And there
Speaker 1: was a little issue in the studio, So I left
Speaker 1: bound and I went another room. I'm like, Yo, this
Speaker 1: is because it's Florida, is right. Hammer was everywhere for sure,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Right, So I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: too old for this shit, right right right, right, right,
Speaker 1: right right right right. Especially, I ain't like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: traveling piece on me, so I'm like, yo, ship. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, you know the ship. This ship about
Speaker 1: to become too much action for what I'm for my
Speaker 1: comfort level. Sure, let me just go in the other
Speaker 1: room for you know, some ship spark. So I do that,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I said, we was down there, we
Speaker 1: at Timlin studio. Shout out to Tim and so his
Speaker 1: producers angel Fetti was working with us, and you know,
Speaker 1: they has just put put together like a little piano loop,
Speaker 1: which is the skeleton of Overdose, the record the record
Speaker 1: over those and I wrote the part and I wrote it.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't even put put it together like
Speaker 1: this like he's definitely gonna do it. It's just like
Speaker 1: literally I did it. He walked in, He really walked
Speaker 1: in from off his tour bus. He had like I
Speaker 1: don't want to two hundred people with them on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I grabbed him like yo, calling me real quick,
Speaker 1: I need to do something for me, Like yeah, uncle,
Speaker 1: I got you whatever, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: he cut it. He left him alone, and literally that's
Speaker 1: the last time I seen him. That's crazy, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Was it was it easy to get clear to release
Speaker 2: because he's not putting it. I mean, there's not a
Speaker 2: lot of music from him.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, but he's still but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: like he still has a cold following. He's still like
Speaker 1: a tear.
Speaker 2: Whenever he I don't know if he's ever going to
Speaker 2: get out, but if he ever gets out, he's he's
Speaker 2: still going to be able to drop music and.
Speaker 1: Be right right right right right. So I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it was you know, respectable amount of dialogue had to
Speaker 1: go into just you know, securing it, you know, because
Speaker 1: it was just between me and him and whether with
Speaker 1: the team at the time, so you know, you know,
Speaker 1: proper protocols speaking with the team, and you know, got
Speaker 1: his mom blessing for shout to Jamie and you know,
Speaker 1: shout the track and everybody over at three hundred for
Speaker 1: for uh you know, going to.
Speaker 2: Fly fly for sure.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: What is the you know, one of the more random
Speaker 2: back and forth is the you and ty Lib thing?
Speaker 2: What is the genesis of that? Like what happened? Is it?
Speaker 2: Because of like I just wonder how did this thing?
Speaker 2: It feels like tayl Lib has has has you know,
Speaker 2: a fall from grace. I won't say that. I was
Speaker 2: gonna say. I feel like I've seen him have back
Speaker 2: and forth a lot on the online as a fall
Speaker 2: from grace. I can't say that about telling quality.
Speaker 1: It's quality like I got.
Speaker 2: But I'm just curious, like, what is the genesis of your.
Speaker 1: Guys say that without no tone, that's to me, that's
Speaker 1: a fall from grace.
Speaker 2: Like if you if you I fucked with the Black
Speaker 2: Star album that dropped though, who suit was hard?
Speaker 1: If you were one of the people who ushered in
Speaker 1: the whole rock is movement.
Speaker 2: Right and the whole honestly, that whole whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call that underground, I just had this conversation.
Speaker 1: Whatever you know, like listen, listen, all spawns from tribe. Though,
Speaker 1: let's be honest.
Speaker 2: For sure, I would say tribe.
Speaker 1: Look at the end of the day, they all came
Speaker 1: around when I joined tribe, they all came around.
Speaker 2: Right, you would say, so, so that rock that Rockets
Speaker 2: movement kind of like the father of the Rockets movement
Speaker 2: is Tribe.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 2: I would say that. All those people will probably say that.
Speaker 1: When the sound q tips on the first soundbomb he
Speaker 1: co signed.
Speaker 2: Man sound bomb. Oh yeah, yeah that song with Tash
Speaker 2: Are you.
Speaker 1: Ready to rock them? Like? Oh my god? It was hard, right,
Speaker 1: So that's literally like maybe like a maybe ang and
Speaker 1: a half.
Speaker 2: At first sound bombing, almost fucking the first two crazy right,
Speaker 2: third one was cool.
Speaker 1: But so at the end of the day, I'm big
Speaker 1: on history because and that's why I would make the
Speaker 1: statement I make I'm not gonna go with Scuba dive
Speaker 1: deep into him. My album's coming out, So I'm not
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not really in that space.
Speaker 2: But was it an online thing or a real life thing?
Speaker 1: Definitely not no real life thing. It's definitely not no
Speaker 1: real life thing. Is not a real life thing at all.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's not I asked for that.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get it, you know what I'm saying, Because
Speaker 1: it's for me. It's a real life thing. You don't.
Speaker 1: You don't disrespect my son or my son's mother, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't paying attention enough. I just know surface
Speaker 2: level you guys have been beefing.
Speaker 1: I didn't anybody. I mean, I mean, listen, the Tribe
Speaker 1: is Not has been inducted into the Rock Hall of
Speaker 1: fame and that had to just get put on ice.
Speaker 1: I spoke with a Cube of about it. He wasn't
Speaker 1: happy about what was going on, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you know, Tribe got thrown in it back and forth,
Speaker 1: which you know, in fairness, it wasn't fair to the
Speaker 1: to the to the group name at all either. And
Speaker 1: I take I take responsibility for that, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because because otherwise for me, that's a fall
Speaker 1: from grace. You sitting here doing that after y'all just
Speaker 1: did the last Tribe album and one, two, and three,
Speaker 1: and I ran the merged company and then went on
Speaker 1: to you know, give Grammy's with Kanye or whatever again,
Speaker 1: Like so, you know, I get when people were like, yo,
Speaker 1: come on, cons this ain't so it's fair for me
Speaker 1: to say, yeah, that's a fourth and Grace, like yo, bro,
Speaker 1: you bugging, you bugging, and and and and and also
Speaker 1: because it was a Domino fare because Kanye stepped out
Speaker 1: and said what he said about him on Drink Champs.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, that's that's that's the beginning
Speaker 2: of d.
Speaker 1: And of it at the beginning. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: prior to that think about it, It's me Jerobi Quality
Speaker 1: and Kanye on the Killer Season on the last Trive album.
Speaker 1: What reason do I have to deliberately go out of
Speaker 1: my way by the way, great album, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And so what reason would
Speaker 1: I have to have one of the featured artists on
Speaker 1: the group's album because Travis is my group too, Yeah
Speaker 1: for sure? Why would that doesn't make any sense? I
Speaker 1: went and got the Kanye feature. I did personally it's
Speaker 1: my relationship, right, I'm the bridge between those worlds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think, uh.
Speaker 1: And it's sometimes I'm credited for it and sometimes I'm not.
Speaker 1: And then that's why that's what the water's getting murky,
Speaker 1: because believe me when I tell you that Kanye feature
Speaker 1: don't happen without me at all. And he's at number
Speaker 1: this is Kanye post poblow, right and the Yeezies is
Speaker 1: at the first one hundred million, So he don't got
Speaker 1: to do it. It's on my strength.
Speaker 2: Do you think, uh, you guys could ever put it
Speaker 2: past you? Like maybe Dave Chappelle comes and like I
Speaker 2: feel like Chappelle's like the Lincoln.
Speaker 1: You're not doing anything without a check fair enough. That's
Speaker 1: where I'm at.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying no. I'm definitely not saying yes. But
Speaker 1: there's there's damages that's been done. Like my son saw
Speaker 1: all that he thirteen. You know what I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: didn't like.
Speaker 2: Again, I don't know the details what was saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know what saying. I mean. I know there's
Speaker 1: like situations because he's you know, tied to a few
Speaker 1: difficulties like up rocks for instance, to be like.
Speaker 2: A pretty reasonable guy, like I'm.
Speaker 1: Cool with him, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't I also don't know what was said.
Speaker 1: So I'm coming from and I think the other thing
Speaker 1: is just like he's been on the defense since drink Champs,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So in his whatever whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it, it's not I wasn't never
Speaker 1: gonna get violid. He's not like that at all, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But he in in whatever emotion
Speaker 1: that he's caught up in, He's not using his brain.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I feel like when you're when you are caught up
Speaker 2: in emotions usually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we men were me. I mean, I'm a man,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm assuming.
Speaker 2: Besides Mellie, who else is on the project that you
Speaker 2: got coming out with?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's no apologies. So that's my first single that's
Speaker 1: charted as a solo artist. So very proud and happy
Speaker 1: about that record. It's been on for a while too,
Speaker 1: it's been out yeah yeah yeah, so uh we got
Speaker 1: to Chase Part three with featuring Caden, which is the
Speaker 1: flip of my first joint to Chase Part two.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that record is crazy. I have Chris Rock on.
Speaker 2: The album Fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, a skit. It's a verse.
Speaker 2: You got Chris Rock Verse? Did you help him write it?
Speaker 1: No? Stream of consciousness consciousness verse. But it's really dope
Speaker 1: the record. The record is corre relationship advice.
Speaker 2: That sounds hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's dope.
Speaker 2: It sounds like some.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's and Alex Osley Uh from The Honestly Family
Speaker 1: is singing.
Speaker 2: The chorus, oh hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: I have Way and I on my album. And I
Speaker 1: was one of the runner ups on America Io. She's
Speaker 1: like my Kelly Price worked on a bunch of records
Speaker 1: and she know she had a breakout moment on Idol.
Speaker 1: So Fire Yeah, and I produced eighty percent of.
Speaker 2: It, oh ship, Yeah, so you're behind the beats and the.
Speaker 1: Bars, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Who produced the other twenty percent?
Speaker 1: Kanye did Blood Stain, Fire and Call like I said,
Speaker 1: Angel and Fetti, uh, and myself did Overdose and fire
Speaker 1: Man and Keiso.
Speaker 2: I'll be having the same alerts, bro shout to that ring,
Speaker 2: that ring, move back. Somebody walks by your fucking even
Speaker 2: on the street outside the ring, girl walking their dog.
Speaker 1: God damn right door right right? So you know, so yeah,
Speaker 1: we we I'm very happy. I you know, it's been
Speaker 1: a long a good minute since day job, but I
Speaker 1: could say like I waited my turn like a real nigga,
Speaker 1: and I'm excited about about what's to come.
Speaker 2: What you know, what I sh about you is you're,
Speaker 2: you know, really a very rare breed of loyal in
Speaker 2: hip hop and the way because I feel like, for
Speaker 2: better or worse, uh, And I think a lot of
Speaker 2: Kanye's more controversial takes have aged a lot better than
Speaker 2: we'd all like to admit. We won't get into specifically
Speaker 2: which ones are those takes, but you have kind of
Speaker 2: for better or worse however the public has felt about. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you always defended him relentlessly.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's defending them pro se. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm me, you know what I mean, And I'm
Speaker 1: unapologetically me. And when I say that, I say that
Speaker 1: to say that the loyalty thing is not something that
Speaker 1: I put forth is on cont I do it just
Speaker 1: because to your naturally, because of who I am, And
Speaker 1: if I do disagree with something because of my respect
Speaker 1: for myself number one, and my respect for our relationship
Speaker 1: and the things that we've uh you know, have built
Speaker 1: together and shares memories, then yeah, my guy who is
Speaker 1: multiple uh wears multiple hats in my life, he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's the plug in business. Oftentimes he's been big
Speaker 1: bro in the streets. Often times he's been my kid brother.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We are It's a different
Speaker 1: relationship between me and Kanye and save me and cutes
Speaker 1: tip because we're more peers, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Although I started I started rapping at a really early age.
Speaker 1: I started re I re became a rapper with Kanye,
Speaker 1: so we actually got to come up to it was
Speaker 1: even though people knew me, I still had a new
Speaker 1: come up with him.
Speaker 2: No, for sure saying a lot of kids got introduced
Speaker 2: to you through that.
Speaker 1: So that's why so many people think I'm from Chicago.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And I can't be like, no,
Speaker 1: no queens, I'm from wherever you know me from. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And that's how I play the game.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and so, so me upholding
Speaker 1: the block makes way more sense than me burning it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's something I helped build,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying through not just through my time. Literally,
Speaker 1: it ain't like I'm the most notorious ghost writer for
Speaker 1: no reason. You know what I'm saying, some real shit
Speaker 1: and so, and it's not a situation where the credit
Speaker 1: doesn't belong to me. Like the game though, with it
Speaker 1: is right, you know what I'm saying, And so from
Speaker 1: that aspect, it's it's it's not done selfish selfishly when
Speaker 1: I do anything, but it is self I have self
Speaker 1: awareness of what's going on, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and so, yeah, if I felt like I need to
Speaker 1: step in on something when it comes to him, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do that, you know what I'm saying. Because of
Speaker 1: the multiple hats that we both wear in each other's life.
Speaker 2: I'm curious you are one of the original pillars of
Speaker 2: good music, which to me is my favorite obviously, like
Speaker 2: my favorite label probably ever in terms of just my
Speaker 2: personal taste. Is I mean, it seems as if most
Speaker 2: of the folks that we know good music helping put
Speaker 2: like Big Sean or you know, I don't think push
Speaker 2: your T's rocking with you anymore. Is good music still
Speaker 2: a thing or is it kind of is that era over?
Speaker 1: It'll never be it's at this point, if we're being realistic,
Speaker 1: I think the question is is it contemporary at this point?
Speaker 1: I mean, as long as the pillars are in motion? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But is it also contingent on legacy at this point? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, people have come and gone. That's
Speaker 1: just that's just what has happened at this point. And
Speaker 1: that's fine because it was never set up, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: for anyone to be stagnant with it either. It was
Speaker 1: always set up. It was set up for me, right,
Speaker 1: It was set up for me. It was set up
Speaker 1: for JLC. It was set up for John Legend, That's
Speaker 1: who was originally around. You know what I'm saying when
Speaker 1: they started getting some motion, Common came on board, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and shout out to really though
Speaker 1: as well. You know, but that tour you went to,
Speaker 1: that's good music, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 1: eventually Sarah came on and Bentley came on, and you
Speaker 1: know then then then Big Sean came and Cuddy came
Speaker 1: and we met all of them in our travels, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So the unique thing about good
Speaker 1: music is like I don't think nobody ever got signed
Speaker 1: except for maybe like Casey hill Orf of a demo
Speaker 1: Phoenix right right right, right right, But there's nobody got
Speaker 1: signed off of a demo or good music to my knowledge,
Speaker 1: like everybody literally was a moment.
Speaker 2: Well well no, you know what Sean rapped for him
Speaker 2: at the station.
Speaker 1: Right, that's not a demo, correct, It's not like going
Speaker 1: to Sylvia Rohan's office and playing six songs and helping
Speaker 1: you you go switch that day. Those days are sucking
Speaker 1: over right right right right right right right right right,
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying. So this is why
Speaker 1: it's just and that that's good music is the beginning
Speaker 1: of those days being over. That's what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 1: basically what I'm trying to articulate good music at the
Speaker 1: beginning of those days being over. That's not how I
Speaker 1: got a record deal, you know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 1: not how I'm still in busines go sitting there, playing
Speaker 1: there holping. Somebody got to hear it from music and
Speaker 1: ship like nah, we got to that action, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And so if you ever see me
Speaker 1: upset about anything or going as somebody, it's I don't
Speaker 1: like how something's getting done. Not that I'm over here
Speaker 1: with a chip or no ship like that. I just
Speaker 1: don't like how some certain shit had got done, Like
Speaker 1: cause if you didn't have to go, if you didn't
Speaker 1: have to go do that, then you was ten steps
Speaker 1: ahead of everybody because everybody else got to go do that.
Speaker 2: That's that was the game, right for sure.
Speaker 1: That was a game. Cup had a demo, pus what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So so once again I'm looking at it
Speaker 1: like you.
Speaker 2: Weren't getting signed off your Instagram. You're getting what songs
Speaker 2: are on that tape.
Speaker 1: Right because you ran into somebody who's getting on the
Speaker 1: road again rich and they looked out, you know, what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, nobody's perfect, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just from a fans perspective, it's just it's just
Speaker 2: like an era and like would push it like kind
Speaker 2: of was like the last Dumber of the I was
Speaker 2: just like, oh, good music, man, what a fun like that?
Speaker 1: I mean? But see then that's the thing is just
Speaker 1: like and that called it. You know, I had to
Speaker 1: say something about that, and that called the problem for
Speaker 1: the second time with me and Pushing. And I look,
Speaker 1: anybody who I ever have let be around my son
Speaker 1: is someone that I have either respect for or I
Speaker 1: caught a vibe with, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: so you know, and stepping back from it, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think me or Pushing handled the situation when
Speaker 1: that was two years ago appropriately, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I can say that, you know what I mean. I've
Speaker 1: had time to reflect, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: when I even said that he was phar real man,
Speaker 1: it didn't mean that I don't like for real. I
Speaker 1: knew Farrell before everybody Pharrell wrapped on beach ROMs in life.
Speaker 1: I coached him through his verse in a booth. I've
Speaker 1: always had a great rapport with Pharrell, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So when I said it, I wasn't saying it.
Speaker 1: I said it because from that from the perception when
Speaker 1: Pusher came over, he was coming over from being Star
Speaker 1: Trek and being in the clips and being in the
Speaker 1: that those are for real artists, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So the thing is, you don't get many opportunities to
Speaker 1: reinvent or go somewhere else and become bigger, and he
Speaker 1: ended up with the Tea has become bigger by working
Speaker 1: with Kanye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always upset. I mean, no, no, I mean definitely
Speaker 2: helps you know when you're on, when you're on runaway.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, his brother retired from RAT and
Speaker 1: took a hiatus from RAT.
Speaker 2: I think it helps him push Your Tea is like
Speaker 2: one of To me, I think it's just one of
Speaker 2: the greatest rappers of all times.
Speaker 1: And that's fine. But you don't even get the hat
Speaker 1: that opinion if he doesn't go solo.
Speaker 2: Right right, right. I think he was gonna go solo
Speaker 2: either way, probably right, But I think going to.
Speaker 1: Going solo and having bread going solo is two different things.
Speaker 1: Going solo and trying to still figure it out as
Speaker 1: opposed to somebody who's already legendary run away and then
Speaker 1: that launches your solo.
Speaker 2: Daytona is fucking up there, man, But that's later. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm to ask you a question outside of listen, isn't it?
Speaker 2: I mean, this is not slander. I'm saying this is
Speaker 2: is not Daytona's way later. This is just around the name.
Speaker 1: Is my name come before that? Right? Correct? All right?
Speaker 1: I know I ain't bugging.
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm curious though, So non Kanye album, take
Speaker 2: your album out of the discussion. Me and my homie
Speaker 2: were just arguing about this. I think that the crown
Speaker 2: for the greatest non Kanye good music album is only.
Speaker 1: Between two albums B.
Speaker 2: B and Daytona. Am I tripping? It's B or it's Daytona?
Speaker 1: Right ah? Hold on now, because I can't exclude John
Speaker 1: Legend for his album.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 1: The greatest. You didn't say John, you say rap, you
Speaker 1: say greatest. I think great, Okay, it's the greatest. The
Speaker 1: first legend ab was John Legend album is up there
Speaker 1: for sure, right right. No disrespect to Daytona, but I
Speaker 1: know from what about your hip hop from a purest standpoint,
Speaker 1: then if you say my definitely be ain't no question.
Speaker 2: I think it's being like like Be's a perfect album.
Speaker 2: I just I got for sure, come on here.
Speaker 1: B b Wise that intro bise Common has the uh
Speaker 1: probably the best beats Kanye ever did on a on
Speaker 1: a joint.
Speaker 2: I agree, And then I would say that the next
Speaker 2: tier is probably like a dark Sky Paradise. Uh, I
Speaker 2: really fucked with with with Cool Summer too.
Speaker 1: Uh, that's Kanye on it though.
Speaker 2: That's fair. I mean, also, let's be.
Speaker 1: Clear, I mean a true story, a true story if.
Speaker 2: The two changes. The first solo album was was was
Speaker 2: on Good right, it had a good label on the back.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do you one better than that, if you
Speaker 1: really kicking that ship? You kicking and fantasy because we're
Speaker 1: getting said then I'm saying being I'm saying good Fridays,
Speaker 1: Oh the good Fridays? Right?
Speaker 2: Why camp? Can we talk about getting those on DSP No?
Speaker 1: I get hit every year when I was.
Speaker 2: So happy because because wasn't The Joy on Good a
Speaker 2: good Friday record? So when The Joy came out on
Speaker 2: Watched the Throne, I was so fucking happy, Say god,
Speaker 2: what was one of the last one.
Speaker 1: First of all, I got the we the last Good
Speaker 1: Friday record is chain Heavy.
Speaker 2: And was that that wasn't chain heavy? Was crazy? Back
Speaker 2: the way? Was what was the one that Cole closed out?
Speaker 2: Cole had the last verse?
Speaker 1: I forgot the name.
Speaker 2: Just that whole era where everybody had their fucking black
Speaker 2: what was it called the Rosewood? Yeah, man, Good Friday
Speaker 2: was a fucking Oh that's it.
Speaker 1: Like, if I got to say on your criteria, is
Speaker 1: being Good Friday and NF Daytona maybe could be fourth,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But Daytona got joints on
Speaker 1: the throw, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's I mean, that's that's why
Speaker 2: I always like when people even like uh, I feel
Speaker 2: like people are super critical of like that, like twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen year. First of all, the NAS project is solid.
Speaker 2: I don't I hate how I hate you hate the narrative.
Speaker 2: I hate the narrative about naz' ZP. Like the cop
Speaker 2: shot the kid is fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Uh.
Speaker 2: Also, like Kitsy Ghost is a perfect body of work
Speaker 2: in my opinion.
Speaker 1: That's why I was saying, I don't know, because I
Speaker 1: was just thinking about it.
Speaker 2: Kisy Ghost is so fucking oh yeah. Yeah, well listen,
Speaker 2: Man on the Moon is is that good music?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean shit never, I mean, god damn Man on
Speaker 2: the Moon right right, right, think about that. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Right, That's why I was like, ooh, b Man on
Speaker 1: the Moon, Daytona.
Speaker 2: That's probably the And then obviously, I mean, yeah, shout
Speaker 2: to John Legend. John Legends first.
Speaker 1: Album album is crazy.
Speaker 2: Uh no, that's crazy. But just like I said, twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen was crazy because like I fucking I feel like
Speaker 2: ghost Town. Ghost Town to me is like an all
Speaker 2: time song, Like not, yes, it is all time. People
Speaker 2: hated that project. I'm like, how like violence is so crazy?
Speaker 1: Like I think was just like they No, I think
Speaker 1: I think the plate is what took away from some
Speaker 1: of the regard for the art at that point. I
Speaker 1: think the plate was the TMZ ship.
Speaker 2: There was just so much going on, and the plate was, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's the Kardashians, It's three fifties, is on.
Speaker 2: Fires on fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so much that It's like, that's right, you
Speaker 1: do do music, you know what I'm saying. And when
Speaker 1: the music was at the forefront of everything, songs like
Speaker 1: ghost Town was like for sure, ghost Town is definitely
Speaker 1: the same family as Amazing. I agree, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But it's just so much So that's when
Speaker 1: the whole billionaire talk is talking and spoke on and
Speaker 1: it's just a whole bunch of things kind of you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wrote through the uh, the great lines
Speaker 1: that's in all minds, you know what I'm saying, And yeah,
Speaker 1: it did like a hundred million streams, But it's just
Speaker 1: so much shit going on that you know, there's no
Speaker 1: way he that had an all mind in oh seven
Speaker 1: A and when the shot a video for it, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But there's just so much ship.
Speaker 1: There's a lot dropping. Every much ship it was, so
Speaker 1: it's just not even just dropping.
Speaker 2: It's just there's so much going on in life.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know who got the best beats? You
Speaker 1: know who got the best beats?
Speaker 2: Beats?
Speaker 1: The best yay beats? After b wipe everybody, I just said,
Speaker 1: guess who got the best yay beats? Tianna Taylor? Facts Okay,
Speaker 1: facts of life the Tianna Taylor.
Speaker 2: I shought it was fire.
Speaker 1: It just wasn't. It got in my opinion, the mixers
Speaker 1: was rushed, but the actual beats crazy. It's that gonna
Speaker 1: love you ship is fucking crazy, yo, Yo, So I agree,
Speaker 1: So let me let me rephrase that, just so I
Speaker 1: don't get killed on the internet. Honorable mentioned Tianna Taylor
Speaker 1: for sure, Like you couldn't navigate and negotiate those that
Speaker 1: we named already, but you cannot lead that ship out.
Speaker 1: That ship is fucking crazy, yo.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts? I mean, this diddy ships getting crazy.
Speaker 2: There's been the old Kanye text going viral calling him
Speaker 2: a fed, right, you think you think he was on
Speaker 2: some fed ship like filming everybody and ship like obviously
Speaker 2: you probably know more about the inner workings of some
Speaker 2: of this weirdo ship in New York than anybody.
Speaker 1: I was. I do know some things, you know, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna let's take them moment with this,
Speaker 1: say this. What I think is crazy is the potential
Speaker 1: of Kid Cutty having to testify.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because who's I mean, that's the car that
Speaker 2: got set on.
Speaker 1: Fire, right, and he's already concurred with the incident.
Speaker 2: And I mean, also, let me ask you a.
Speaker 3: Question, Yeah, in your opinion, because I and I'm asking
Speaker 3: you because you're in hip hop, you're in the hood,
Speaker 3: but you obviously.
Speaker 1: Can have the opinion of someone non African American. Right,
Speaker 1: would you consider if Kid Cutty testified against Diddy snitching?
Speaker 2: So I'd like to revert back to my good friend
Speaker 2: Glasses Malone's definition of snitching.
Speaker 1: Okay, kid cutting is a civilian right. That's why that's
Speaker 1: why I want to hit it from you and so
Speaker 1: and and mind you, let me say this to you.
Speaker 1: Ki Cutty is never really ever I mean, obviously I'm
Speaker 1: not saying angry, but he's never portrayed himself as a
Speaker 1: street street.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that he isn't because I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, but at least in the public right, Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2: He also was not a conspirator in crime with Diddy,
Speaker 2: so he would not be then telling on someone to
Speaker 2: get out of doing jail time himself.
Speaker 1: He would be telling on someone based on being a victim. Correct. Right.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing as somebody trying to say, well,
Speaker 2: somebody ran up into bun Bee's house, right, and then
Speaker 2: are trying like nah, like I don't see that.
Speaker 1: To be whether fair belligerents would be God based on No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so you don't, you don't think at all,
Speaker 1: not even.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think Bune he teaches classes and
Speaker 2: is an entrepreneur and is og at this point. So
Speaker 2: I think I think it.
Speaker 1: Is that nobody, nobody is entitled to hold of UGK.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that. I'm not saying Look at Pimps
Speaker 2: was alive right now. If he would he have approved
Speaker 2: of that. Who knows what Pimps's personal evolution on street
Speaker 2: politics would have been. I do not think if kid
Speaker 2: Cutty testifies against Diddy it's a big deal. I do think.
Speaker 2: I do think Kid Cutty is an entertainer and someone
Speaker 2: who's never portrayed himself to be that. Now, obviously UGK
Speaker 2: has portrayed himselves to be that back in the day,
Speaker 2: so maybe that's a different discussion, But I think, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy tried to fucking set his.
Speaker 1: Cars on fire.
Speaker 2: If that allegedly, if that happened, and they give him
Speaker 2: a call, what's he gonna say.
Speaker 1: No. This went to ask the question, I want to
Speaker 1: what do you think? I wanted to get your perspective.
Speaker 1: Do you think if Cutty testifies you, I don't have
Speaker 1: a notion. I have the I don't have an I
Speaker 1: don't have a I have the notion. I just don't
Speaker 1: have the viewpoint as far as yay or nay. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because I because I factor both
Speaker 1: the streets in in the belligerents versus the literality of
Speaker 1: the situation at hand, right and the and the personality
Speaker 1: and characteristics of the people involved. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: did He being a guy from the eighties and the
Speaker 1: nineties versus Cuddy is a new wave guy and not
Speaker 1: a street guy, and and something aggressive happened? So how
Speaker 1: do you weigh that out?
Speaker 2: I say, you know, hey, if he, if they if
Speaker 2: they subpoena him, he's I mean, it is what it is, right,
Speaker 2: I shouldn't trying to set this motherfucker's caring fire right
Speaker 2: right right right. I would say this like I just
Speaker 2: think I think the whole Diddy situation is just interesting
Speaker 2: because it's interesting because I see people, Now, if you
Speaker 2: were if you've been in hip hop and been semi important,
Speaker 2: there's a chance you have a picture with did He.
Speaker 2: There's a chance you've been to many of his parties
Speaker 2: he had Grammy after part or is he had BT.
Speaker 2: This is going to tell you someone, this isn't a
Speaker 2: crazy thing. It's not like everybody who ever met Diddy
Speaker 2: was hanging out with baby oil. Like then all the
Speaker 2: industry is canceled. I got a picture with Diddy.
Speaker 1: A lot of the industries about they get canceled.
Speaker 2: Oh, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: On listen no, no spoiler alert.
Speaker 2: No, I shout out to Paul Hayman, the greatest manager
Speaker 2: of all time. I do agree that. Man, once the
Speaker 2: we start getting names on who's in some of these videos,
Speaker 2: that's when things are going to get very interesting because,
Speaker 2: like you said, like there are you know, I just
Speaker 2: think about like certain rappers who've gone viral for some
Speaker 2: of their interactions on video with Diddy, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh man, maybe there was some sort of freaking off gal.
Speaker 2: I don't know. But nonetheless, I say all that to
Speaker 2: say that, like, Yo, we've all had pictures with Diddy,
Speaker 2: like did he did? He was one of our idols
Speaker 2: growing up as an entrepreneur. So it's like yeah, Like,
Speaker 2: but that don't mean now I'm saying everybody, but that
Speaker 2: don't mean that you were fucking like even if you
Speaker 2: went to the party, like my one of my Jesus
Speaker 2: was like, I'll go to Dinny party, I'd be out
Speaker 2: of that bitch by one in the morning. Because that
Speaker 2: three ship started to get weird.
Speaker 1: There's announcements made there.
Speaker 2: Is I've never been. I've never been.
Speaker 1: Look, I definitely ven uh like yo, and now it's like,
Speaker 1: hey guys, yo, it's five. It's a.
Speaker 2: Whatever goes down after this.
Speaker 1: Fucking around, lay around, right, or maybe you might want
Speaker 1: to have the brothers Mama. Me myself, I went to breakfast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I grabbed a couple of joints. Slid about it there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So, but that was
Speaker 1: in a public joint, not at somebody I've never been
Speaker 1: to nobody, Right.
Speaker 2: I think it'll be interesting. I think that I think
Speaker 2: that it's going to be interesting to see what happens.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, there's also a good chance he
Speaker 2: gets at all this. You know, we'll see. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But it's a rico, so you would think it's a
Speaker 2: federal rico. Usually they only push forward with a rico
Speaker 2: if it's like it feels like they can I.
Speaker 1: Must just say this, nobody saw what happened with Max B.
Speaker 2: Right, well, Max B, who's been in prison for what
Speaker 2: fuck twenty years? Almost?
Speaker 1: Did you see something happening to somebody?
Speaker 2: No, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Did you see anything happen to anybody that got Max
Speaker 1: B put away? As long as he been put away?
Speaker 1: This is this is a common sense question.
Speaker 2: I don't believe. So no, right, no, no, everyone around
Speaker 2: Diddy snitching.
Speaker 1: Let's be clear.
Speaker 2: Do you have to? I'm saying his because think about
Speaker 2: all his staff that are just trying to make it
Speaker 2: in the music industry that were completely complaint.
Speaker 1: That's carot dangling. That's one thing.
Speaker 2: Is that the girl or no, no, what's the name
Speaker 2: of the girl. It's the sistant they're trying to call
Speaker 2: the new like the Jessling Maxwell, his like official assistant
Speaker 2: in the White Chick. I think everyone's snitching, though, How.
Speaker 1: Did you get the charge of the kidnap? And let
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. Let me ask you that question.
Speaker 1: How do you even get charge of kidnapping?
Speaker 2: I think that would have been the video we saw
Speaker 2: right with Cassie. All right, yeah, right, so that's on video, Yeah, tada,
Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting is gonna be fucking interesting.
Speaker 1: You don't need to be David Blaine. Let's see where
Speaker 1: his rabbit's coming from.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent what you know? Obviously, Like I said,
Speaker 2: that last Tribe album, which would have been the first
Speaker 2: post Fife death album, incredible body of work. Uh, would
Speaker 2: there have you and Tip talked about doing another album
Speaker 2: or well?
Speaker 1: I mean he's been working on the LL project for
Speaker 1: a few years now.
Speaker 2: LL project's hard too. I know he's been executive producing that.
Speaker 2: But I just wonder if, like, is that like the
Speaker 2: last Tribe album we'll ever get? And is there any
Speaker 2: five vocals that we haven't heard yet that exist?
Speaker 1: I have Okay, you know what I mean, But I
Speaker 1: don't know. I know the group has been inducted into
Speaker 1: the Rock holl and that that induction ceremonies in November.
Speaker 1: So we'll see, you know what I mean? Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I haven't. We haven't had that conversation.
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean, I take another c Tip
Speaker 1: solo album too. It's been fuck what was that oh
Speaker 1: eight oh nine? Yeah?
Speaker 2: That album was crazy too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The renaissance is dope, Yo.
Speaker 2: What happens to first of all I remember specifically, they're
Speaker 2: being talked that Kendrick and Kanye have like an album's
Speaker 2: worth of unreleased songs.
Speaker 1: Together, right that mad Live.
Speaker 2: Have you heard these songs? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was over mad levies.
Speaker 2: How so there's there's like an album's worth of Kendrick
Speaker 2: Kanye songs over mad Lib production. What happens to this music?
Speaker 2: And what does it sound like?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: How great is that? That sounds fucking like a Grammy?
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think it just needed to be structured,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, but the idea and
Speaker 1: the ideas that were Yeah, I heard the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was there.
Speaker 2: It's there, It's crazy, it's there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean just like you know, he worked with Dre.
Speaker 1: I went to Drake Crib and we we cooked up,
Speaker 1: you know, shout out to doctor Dre. We had an amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing time just being with doctor Dre is you know,
Speaker 1: you know, for me, it was just like, Yo, this
Speaker 1: the motherfucker made deep cover when he was in high
Speaker 1: school and I don't fan out like, but that shit happened,
Speaker 1: like yo.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And even when Dre, you know, I was writing with
Speaker 1: him and he asked me to vocal something I was
Speaker 1: just when I was sick though, so I ain't really
Speaker 1: maximized it because I was like just diagnosed with lupis.
Speaker 1: But I flew out just on the strength. And I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been even in California at the time that
Speaker 1: the pandemic was at the height, and shit, everybody was
Speaker 1: catching COVID like the Cooties for sure and ship and
Speaker 1: you know, but I still came because it was like
Speaker 1: like one of those once in a lifetime bucket list
Speaker 1: things and whatever. But but yeah, you know, so there's
Speaker 1: a lot of music that's.
Speaker 2: There's just so much music I feel like that's in
Speaker 2: the error that we will probably never hear. But they
Speaker 2: were supposed to be cool winner, right. I heard one
Speaker 2: record off of there that was kind of like a
Speaker 2: Mercy part two. It was called uh Wins Turgo Gravis.
Speaker 2: It was called trash Bags Lifted produced. It might have
Speaker 2: been talking about making it rain so much to have
Speaker 2: they bring trash bags out. It was like the same
Speaker 2: lineup as Mercy, right right right, But that.
Speaker 1: Was a yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, I always just wondered because like you hear like
Speaker 2: like and you also you'll see yea get in with
Speaker 2: people and you be like, well, whatever happened to that?
Speaker 1: Like right? Right? You know, it's the course of It's
Speaker 1: the course of creativity.
Speaker 2: I'm curious, like for you man, like being a dad
Speaker 2: and managing your son. And he's been rapping since he
Speaker 2: was howled now? And how old is he now?
Speaker 1: He's been rapping for ten years? He just turned thirteen?
Speaker 2: Crazy? Yeah, what has that been like for you? Like?
Speaker 2: And what are kind of like the the difficulties of
Speaker 2: trying to break an artist as your son, you know,
Speaker 2: also an artist as a child, right literally.
Speaker 1: I mean it's more more of that than the sun part.
Speaker 1: The some part is an advantage because he's my son,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So whatever is invested is
Speaker 1: the automatic ROI just for spending time with my son
Speaker 1: if nothing else, right, But you know, I mean obviously
Speaker 1: there's there was the phase of he's cute and we
Speaker 1: respect what you're doing, but do we really look at
Speaker 1: him like his own artist? Then it gets to a
Speaker 1: spot where it becomes where his peer group looks at
Speaker 1: him as an artist, which was always the intent, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Because you really want other kids to consume the music.
Speaker 1: Right, right? I mean but it started because he's my son.
Speaker 1: The first available platform is next to me, right, and
Speaker 1: so you know the first time he kind of has
Speaker 1: spun out on a viral tip was when he wrapped
Speaker 1: up a cop shot the kids ironically, you know, ironically,
Speaker 1: Puff posted it, you know what I mean, Revolt aired it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and Pusher tweeted, tweeted it out,
Speaker 1: Kanye tweeted it out, and eventually, uh Kim Kardashian plugged
Speaker 1: him with Nikki and then he had got the dream
Speaker 1: about Nikki video put on nicki page and that had
Speaker 1: three million views on ig crazy. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: which which now we're not this is what comes beyond
Speaker 1: him being my son and it becomes he he's Kaden
Speaker 1: the crown holder, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 1: so which is great, but you know, we play a
Speaker 1: game where you're only as good as your last game,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And so maybe sometimes the
Speaker 1: difficult thing is that is has been and we get
Speaker 1: we're in a sweet spot now, but you know, did
Speaker 1: the grown pains of hot and cold and going back
Speaker 1: to the lab, and you know, while I did this,
Speaker 1: isn't that enough. It is because you're enough. But in
Speaker 1: this game that we play is never enough, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And that's the game that we play.
Speaker 2: Especially because I feel like for his demographic, like he
Speaker 2: almost has to shoot shots in the algorithm all the time.
Speaker 1: Right, And so that's why I said, we're in a
Speaker 1: sweet spot where that's coming together, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And we're going to continue to build and you know,
Speaker 1: like we got a collab album coming right after my
Speaker 1: new album called on the One on two, and then
Speaker 1: next year he'll be putting out his official debut album,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you know, the plan
Speaker 1: is in place and things are coming together, and so
Speaker 1: it's been well worth the journey. It's the greatest joy
Speaker 1: of my life. He's my son. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: That's dope man. So uh, he's on your album too,
Speaker 2: like you said, right, what's the name of the new album? Yours?
Speaker 1: N he's doing business with you, that's doing business with you.
Speaker 1: Next Friday, Next Friday, the twenty seventh, the twenty seventh
Speaker 1: of September, and you know that's that's when we go
Speaker 1: into the Zech Cassro place.
Speaker 2: I love it. What's it like, man, how's this Vultures
Speaker 2: era of just kind of the journey Ben, because it
Speaker 2: seems like I was in the Four Seasons in Vegas
Speaker 2: that night that he was, I was supposed to do
Speaker 2: his event. Well he kind of did an event. It
Speaker 2: was kind of weird.
Speaker 1: Well, I haven't been around for the whole Vultures, know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You just left China.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I loved China, you know, because I couldn't.
Speaker 2: Do I know, he shed some of the fat on
Speaker 2: his team. It feels like, you know.
Speaker 1: Some Yeah, like I said, I wasn't around because I
Speaker 1: literally took the last two years to do my album, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? After Donda, I needed a break,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And because the way I'm
Speaker 1: at life, you know, I had to put out something.
Speaker 1: I had to put out my joint, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I had the resources I didn't have. I wasn't
Speaker 1: sitting here waiting for an advance. You know, my brains straight.
Speaker 1: I got I set my own label up, I got destroyed.
Speaker 1: I did the whole ship and so you know, part
Speaker 1: of even going to China was just like just you know,
Speaker 1: our friendship got to come for anything. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, our brotherhood, that that got to supersede because
Speaker 1: that's how the business was built. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't have we We wouldn't be who we are
Speaker 1: if we if we didn't do this. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, that this ship is one point, with your
Speaker 1: dogs and anything else. If y'all ain't doing this, leave
Speaker 1: it alone, you know what I'm saying. So you know
Speaker 1: we've seen each other, was like and then we just
Speaker 1: chopped in, just caught up and shouldn't you know. Even
Speaker 1: yesterday we was just talking laughing and I was having
Speaker 1: to tell him about the ramifications of pub being in
Speaker 1: the md M d C, which is the tombs in
Speaker 1: New York. I'm like, the Wolves is the Wolves is
Speaker 1: on either on payroll or looking like Wylie Coyote, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And so that's our one two,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, but I did get
Speaker 1: the bill with Tie as well while I was out there.
Speaker 1: You know, we definitely want to connect and ship, so
Speaker 1: you know, we got the future in front of us.
Speaker 1: It feels good.
Speaker 2: Can you give me a story on what at what
Speaker 2: point in time. Did you hear the spaceship beat? Who's
Speaker 2: whose verses were laid? First? Spaceship with GLC record. That
Speaker 2: was a GLC record first, it was a.
Speaker 1: GOOC record first, and he asked me to get on it,
Speaker 1: and then Kanye did his verse.
Speaker 2: Got it, So technically he laid his ship last.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, technically he laid it at once. I
Speaker 1: rapped on it. Then he went and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a joint because he was only doing the
Speaker 1: chorus and it wasn't no, you know, Tony Williams actually
Speaker 1: his last because that's the top layer of everything in
Speaker 1: him adding that and you know what I'm saying, but
Speaker 1: just the win. It was just the Marvin Gaye loop.
Speaker 1: It was JLC and he was singing the joint because
Speaker 1: they both worked in the mall and that was like
Speaker 1: their connection musically for Kanye to tap in. Like that's
Speaker 1: how I ended up just doing it and then it
Speaker 1: just coincidentally I had a job history from being out
Speaker 1: the tribe. So that's how I think.
Speaker 2: That that song is one of the most relatable songs
Speaker 2: ever because no one had ever rapped about working at
Speaker 2: the fucking mall.
Speaker 1: Or falling off and rapped that brother vers I remember
Speaker 1: having to take the dollar cab, coming home real late
Speaker 1: at night, standing on my feet all damn day, trying
Speaker 1: to make this thing right, and having one of my
Speaker 1: coworkers say, Yo, you look just like this kid I
Speaker 1: was seeing in the old Bust and Rohns video the
Speaker 1: night will Easy, Come Easy go have that saying goes
Speaker 1: no more broad service cars in the TV shows, it
Speaker 1: all had got snatched from me, A and alls and
Speaker 1: a faculties all turned their back on me and didn't
Speaker 1: want to hear rap from me, So naturally actually had
Speaker 1: to face things. Factually had to be a catastrophe, had
Speaker 1: the fire standing back at me, because nothing's dead, nothing's fit,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to ever go back there, so
Speaker 1: I won't be taking no days off you know the rest.
Speaker 1: What about Gone Can I've been pouring out looking for the.
Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite. That's one of my favorite,
Speaker 2: but that's one of my favorite verses, like how did that? Like, like,
Speaker 2: like what point of the creation of Gone did you get?
Speaker 2: It happens such a crazy record.
Speaker 1: So we're working on late registration. I think I told
Speaker 1: the story before, but so Kanye's original we would ask
Speaker 1: to rap on j Lo's album. Kanye's verse on Gone
Speaker 1: was on to get right record for Wow. He wanted
Speaker 1: me to rap on it. Sony was like, we don't
Speaker 1: know if we want consequence on it. If he not
Speaker 1: on it, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2: Do it. So we had that verse and it's crazy
Speaker 2: because so then he puts.
Speaker 1: That on going Yo, I didn't do the j Lo
Speaker 1: ship because of this. I need fire we in La.
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I gotta go. I gotta leave. Then
Speaker 1: I gotta go to Queens. I go to Queens. Take
Speaker 1: the beat with me, go to Queens. Sleep on the
Speaker 1: couch uh at my people's crib. I dreamt the verse.
Speaker 1: I woke up and caught and said, booke me time,
Speaker 1: I got it. Now it came in the whole. I've
Speaker 1: been pouring out some looking for the fact that my
Speaker 1: palt I dreamt that shit, and so it only took
Speaker 1: me like two takes. I had it in my head.
Speaker 1: I dreamt it. I literally woke up. It was like, oh,
Speaker 1: in a sweat, like because I probably it's probably at
Speaker 1: one point going with like the number twenty five best
Speaker 1: all time records at the year it came out.
Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite records. Yeah, even the way
Speaker 2: he came in on.
Speaker 1: It, like yeah, and I mean so after I did
Speaker 1: that verse, he did the last verse Okay, yeah, the
Speaker 1: second version, the blackout, Yeah, yeah, because that comes from
Speaker 1: the fact that no, I can't. I can't just I
Speaker 1: can't let this man right, because because if it's only
Speaker 1: just the first one, maybe, yeah, it's up for debate.
Speaker 1: If I caught him, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I would go back here now and remember Cam's you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So so you know that's the
Speaker 1: that's going.
Speaker 2: That ship was legendary. Man. Look, your new album is
Speaker 2: dropping the twenty.
Speaker 1: Seventh, September twenty seventh. Go run it up. Please go
Speaker 1: run it up. A man is overdue for his not men.
Speaker 2: And then I Recollett and.
Speaker 1: I my own label. It's one O two records distributed
Speaker 1: through had Maker. Shout out to Tony B and listen.
Speaker 1: I have given it is my goal all I And
Speaker 1: trust me, if you if you're a fan of anything
Speaker 1: I've given to anybody else, when you hear this project,
Speaker 1: you gonna know what's up with me. For real. It's
Speaker 1: my goal, humbly, it's my goal.
Speaker 2: How long have you actually been working out of years.
Speaker 1: Like I said, two years after Donda. I just like you.
Speaker 2: I got to do a body of work. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm ready. I'm super ready.
Speaker 2: That's what's up, man. Well, we can't wait to hear it.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you pulling up brother.
Speaker 1: Yes. Sorry wo