WEBVTT - Rerun: Seti Not At Home

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey theren

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>an executive producer with iHeart Podcasts and how the tech

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<v Speaker 1>are you well. I am finishing up my vacation down

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<v Speaker 1>in floridaar and I will be back in Atlanta next week.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, I do have an episode for you.

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<v Speaker 1>This one published on March eleventh, twenty twenty. It is

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<v Speaker 1>titled SETI Not at Home. It's about the SETI at

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<v Speaker 1>Home program, a program that crowdsourced the search for extraterrestrial intelligence,

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<v Speaker 1>and why it shut down in March of twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>At least the crowdsource part. The program itself has not

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<v Speaker 1>shut down, to be clear, but the crowdsource part has.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's find out why. As I record, it is early

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<v Speaker 1>March twenty twenty, just days after I received some devastating news. Technically,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole world received this news. I'm just taking it

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<v Speaker 1>particularly hard. I heard that the distributed computing project SETI

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<v Speaker 1>at Home is shutting down, at least for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going on hiatus by the end of March twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Now for two decades. This project has been relying on

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<v Speaker 1>computer processing cycles provided by people like all of you

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<v Speaker 1>guys out there, just using regular computer processors rather than

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of massive supercomputer. Why was it making use

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<v Speaker 1>of that, Well, it was coming through massive amounts of

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<v Speaker 1>information gathered by radio telescopes in search for signals created

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<v Speaker 1>not through some natural cosmological process, but rather as evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of intelligent communication. SETI, you see, stands for the search

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<v Speaker 1>for extraterrestrial intelligence. Now, in this episode, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the history of SETI as a science, and

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<v Speaker 1>then as well, I'm going to kind of pivot around

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about the distributed computer programs and the SETI

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<v Speaker 1>at Home program in particular. We'll find out how distributed

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<v Speaker 1>computing works, we'll talk about a couple of other distributed

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<v Speaker 1>computing programs that you could still participate in if you're

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<v Speaker 1>so inclined, And we'll also look into what's next for

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<v Speaker 1>SETI at Home and learn why it's going on hiatus

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place. Now, we human beings have hypothesized

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<v Speaker 1>about the possibility of extraterrestrial or alien intelligence for a

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<v Speaker 1>really long time. It's a frequent topic in pop culture.

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<v Speaker 1>But perhaps I shouldn't even use the word hypothesize, because

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<v Speaker 1>for a really long time in our history, there really

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't any way to test that hypothesis other than for

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<v Speaker 1>us to look up at the sky and say, Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>that ain't it. That would all change with the invention

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<v Speaker 1>of the radio telescope. So it was in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenties when an engineer named Karl Janski, working for Bell

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<v Speaker 1>Telephone Laboratories, set the stage for radio astronomy. But that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't Jansky's goal at the time. He had been tasked

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<v Speaker 1>with figuring out where the source was of some signal

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<v Speaker 1>interference that was affecting telephone communications at that time. So

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<v Speaker 1>in an effort to kind of figure this out, he

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<v Speaker 1>built a directional antenna. And I guess that itself deserves

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<v Speaker 1>its own quick explanation. So antennas can transmit and pick

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<v Speaker 1>up signals, right, I mean, that's what they do, And

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<v Speaker 1>it actually helps to talk about transmitters first to understand

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<v Speaker 1>how a receiving antenna works. So a transmitter takes an

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<v Speaker 1>electrical signal, typically one that's been boosted with amplification, and

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<v Speaker 1>sends that signal to a transmitting antenna. We know that

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<v Speaker 1>electricity and magnetism are related, right. We've talked about that

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<v Speaker 1>a ton in previous episodes, and we've talked about electromagnetism

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<v Speaker 1>and the electromagnetic spectrum a lot on this show, even recently. So,

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<v Speaker 1>if you run a current through a conductor, it generates

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<v Speaker 1>electromagnetic waves, including if the conductor's big enough, radio waves.

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<v Speaker 1>Now on the electromagnetic spectrum, radio waves have the longest

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<v Speaker 1>wavelengths if you look across that spectrum. They are a

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<v Speaker 1>non ionizing form of radiation, meaning they lack the power

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<v Speaker 1>to strip electrons away from atoms, and they aren't harmful

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<v Speaker 1>the way stuff like X rays or gamma rays are.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can wander around and have radio waves hitting you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not going to affect you in any way. You

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<v Speaker 1>won't even notice. Okay, So, sending a powerful electrical current

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<v Speaker 1>through a big conductor generates radio waves along with other

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<v Speaker 1>electromagnetic radiation code information on radio waves by altering that

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<v Speaker 1>signal in some way. Otherwise you're just sending out a long,

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<v Speaker 1>steady tone like a sin wave. The two main ways

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<v Speaker 1>to do this are frequency modulation, in which you change

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<v Speaker 1>the frequency of the radio waves that you're sending out

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<v Speaker 1>within a certain band of frequencies, or amplitude modulation in

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<v Speaker 1>which you change the amplitude, or you can think of

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<v Speaker 1>it as almost like the strength of the radio waves

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<v Speaker 1>that you're sending out. That would end up being FM

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<v Speaker 1>and AM radio respectively. All right, So receivers take that

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<v Speaker 1>same process, but they reverse it. So as long as

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<v Speaker 1>the signals that the antenna pickup are fluctuating in some way,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's going to create an electric current in that antenna.

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<v Speaker 1>So a properly tuned receiver that encounters the respective radio

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<v Speaker 1>wave radiation will see that whole process go in reverse.

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<v Speaker 1>The radio waves will induce electricity to flow through the

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<v Speaker 1>antenna to whatever device the antenna's hooked up to. It

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<v Speaker 1>might be a meter, in which case you'll see the

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<v Speaker 1>little indicator show that there's a current running through that circuit.

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<v Speaker 1>Or it'll be a radio so that you can listen

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<v Speaker 1>to a radio station that way. Could be any number

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<v Speaker 1>of things. It usually will require amplification of that signal.

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<v Speaker 1>Typically the signal is too weak to actually power anything significant,

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<v Speaker 1>so you would run it through an amplifier and thus

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<v Speaker 1>take that same signal and just boost its power before

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<v Speaker 1>sending it on to do whatever it was supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I've dramatically simplified this whole process. There's other stuff

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<v Speaker 1>we could talk about that really plays an important part,

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<v Speaker 1>like the concept of resonance, but that is really the

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<v Speaker 1>matter for a different episode entirely, and I have covered

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<v Speaker 1>it in previous episodes too. So essentially that's how antennas work.

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<v Speaker 1>So Janski designed a directional antenna as opposed to an

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<v Speaker 1>omnidirectional antenna. An omni directional antenna, as the name implies,

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<v Speaker 1>can pick up signals transmitted from any direction from around

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<v Speaker 1>that antenna. Like just imagine an antenna poking up straight

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<v Speaker 1>in the air and it can accept radio waves from

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<v Speaker 1>any direction. Now, a directional antenna is designed in such

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<v Speaker 1>a way where it is much more sensitive at picking

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<v Speaker 1>up signals that are coming from specific points. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to point the antenna toward the area where you expect

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<v Speaker 1>there to be a radio wave, and the benefit is

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<v Speaker 1>you can pick up much weaker radio waves typically with

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<v Speaker 1>a directional antenna than with an omni directional antenna. However,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a couple of degrees off, if your antenna

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<v Speaker 1>is not pointed directly at the source, you may not

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<v Speaker 1>pick up the signal at all. So if you have

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<v Speaker 1>the directional antenna pointed north, for example, but the source

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<v Speaker 1>of radio waves is to the west, then your antenna

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<v Speaker 1>might not pick it up because it's pointed in a

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<v Speaker 1>different direction. However, this is it's an incredibly useful tool

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<v Speaker 1>if you're trying to look for a specific source of

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<v Speaker 1>interference in your telephone communication system. I should also add

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<v Speaker 1>that there's another important thing about directional antennas is that

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<v Speaker 1>even they have a limit to how far they can

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<v Speaker 1>pick up a signal here on Earth. And this has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the fact that our Earth is and

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<v Speaker 1>brace yourselves round, it's not a flat earth, people. The

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<v Speaker 1>way radio waves propagate and it can be transmitted and received,

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<v Speaker 1>that alone would tell us that the Earth has to

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<v Speaker 1>be curved. And here's the reason. When you broadcast radio waves,

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<v Speaker 1>they travel outward in a straight line from the source

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<v Speaker 1>of radiation. And if the Earth were flat, then no

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<v Speaker 1>matter how far away you were, if you had a

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<v Speaker 1>sensitive enough antenna, you'd be able to pick up radio

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<v Speaker 1>waves from that source. However, because the Earth curves, then

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<v Speaker 1>and you look at two different points on the planet

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<v Speaker 1>that are far enough apart that curvature means that if

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<v Speaker 1>you're having radio waves travel out at a straight line

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<v Speaker 1>from point A, they won't reach point B because it's

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<v Speaker 1>curved away from the path right, It'll those radio waves

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<v Speaker 1>will just go out into space instead. There is an

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<v Speaker 1>exception to this, and that certain radio waves are the

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<v Speaker 1>right length where they can bounce off the Earth's ion

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<v Speaker 1>a sphere. So you can use the ionosphere sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like a mirror. You can point radio waves toward it.

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<v Speaker 1>It will bounce off the ionosphere and then angle back

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<v Speaker 1>down toward the surface of the Earth. That way, you

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<v Speaker 1>could actually transmit much further than you could just from

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<v Speaker 1>line of sight. You can think of it as a

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<v Speaker 1>line of sight. You don't even actually have to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to see the thing. It just has to be,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, a more or less straight path from

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<v Speaker 1>point A to point B for you to pick it up. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's beside the point. Janski's antenna was a directional

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<v Speaker 1>antenna meant to pick up that source of interference. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's picking up weird signals as he's using this directional

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<v Speaker 1>antenna that don't seem to have any terrestrial source to them,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if he pointed the directional antenna up into the air.

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<v Speaker 1>He was picking up signals, but he could not identify

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<v Speaker 1>where those signals were coming from. And in nineteen thirty one,

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<v Speaker 1>after he had been scratching his head over where this

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<v Speaker 1>source could have come from, he concluded that at least

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<v Speaker 1>some of those signals had to be extraterrestrial in origin.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to be coming from outside the Earth, from

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<v Speaker 1>space itself. He didn't know where they were coming from

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<v Speaker 1>or what was producing them, but he was sure that

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't coming from Earth. It was seemingly coming from

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<v Speaker 1>the center of the Milky Way galaxy that, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is the galaxy that that we're in the Milky Way. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Jansky published his findings in nineteen thirty two, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he moved on to work with other stuff, with a

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<v Speaker 1>telephone system. I mean, he wasn't an astronomer or an

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<v Speaker 1>astrophysicist or anything like that, so he dedicated his attention elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>But another American engineer named Grote Reber would build on

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<v Speaker 1>Djanski's work, and by the way, I am certain I

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<v Speaker 1>mispronounced his name entirely, but we're gonna soldier on. He

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<v Speaker 1>read Janski's work and then he decided, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to find out more about these these signals

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<v Speaker 1>that seem to be coming from space. So he built

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<v Speaker 1>an actual radio telescope. He set out to build a

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<v Speaker 1>device specifically to detect these kind of signals, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he built a bowl shaped antenna, you know, a parabolic

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<v Speaker 1>kind of antenna in nineteen thirty seven, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>capable of detecting radio signals from space. Now, when I

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<v Speaker 1>say radio signals from space, I am not necessar barely

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<v Speaker 1>talking about stuff that was purposefully or intelligently transmitted, because

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff in space generates radio waves. The Sun,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, does it, Other stars do it. Pulsars and

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<v Speaker 1>quasars produce radio waves. Radio astronomy gave scientists tools to

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<v Speaker 1>detect and learn more about stuff in space than we

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<v Speaker 1>could manage with things like optical telescopes, that is, light

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<v Speaker 1>based telescopes. So in the decades following Reaver's work, we

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<v Speaker 1>saw a lot of progress in astronomy thanks to radio telescopes.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're going to skip up to nineteen fifty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when a telescope designed by Bernard Lovell and

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<v Speaker 1>Charles's husband went live for the first time at Jodrell

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<v Speaker 1>Bank at the University of Manchester and it was called

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<v Speaker 1>the Mark one Telescope, though these days folks tend to

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<v Speaker 1>refer to it as the Level telescope. And this thing's big.

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<v Speaker 1>It has a parabolic dish to help focus radio waves

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<v Speaker 1>on the antenna and that dish measures seventy six meters

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<v Speaker 1>or two hundred and fifty feet across. A complicated analog

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<v Speaker 1>computer consisting of electro mechanical components was designed so that

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<v Speaker 1>it could position this antenna. It could point it at

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<v Speaker 1>different sections of the sky, and this antenna could actually

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<v Speaker 1>track a radio source as it moved across the sky,

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<v Speaker 1>so you could point it at something and then use

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<v Speaker 1>the computer to constantly adjust the radio antenna's position so

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<v Speaker 1>that it moved along with this whatever the source was

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<v Speaker 1>of the radio waves and you could get a better

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<v Speaker 1>read on it. There's a really impressive piece of technology.

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<v Speaker 1>And it also picked up the third stage of the

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<v Speaker 1>rocket that was used to launch Sputnik. That's the first

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<v Speaker 1>man made satellite. That's the one the Soviet Union put

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<v Speaker 1>up into space, and it was launched just a few

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<v Speaker 1>months after the Level Telescope came online, so it actually

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<v Speaker 1>detected that that was one of the things that indicated

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<v Speaker 1>how useful and important radio telescopes could be beyond just

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<v Speaker 1>their astronomical or cosmological uses. Now, the power of the

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<v Speaker 1>level telescope impressed a lot of very smart people, and

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of those people were Giuseppe Cocconi and Philip Morrison.

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<v Speaker 1>They proposed that a sufficiently powerful transmitter and a sufficiently

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<v Speaker 1>powerful receiver would be able to send communications across vast

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<v Speaker 1>reaches of space. So if you had parabolic antennas of

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<v Speaker 1>particularly strong power in two different locations, you could transmit

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<v Speaker 1>and receive radio signals even if you were light years

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<v Speaker 1>apart from each other. Now, that communication is still restricted

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<v Speaker 1>by the speed of light, because radio waves travel at

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<v Speaker 1>the speed of light, and nothing goes faster than the

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<v Speaker 1>speed of light. So if the two points of contact

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<v Speaker 1>are let's say, eight light years apart from each other,

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<v Speaker 1>it would take eight years for an out going message

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<v Speaker 1>to reach the recipient and another eight years to wait

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<v Speaker 1>for a response, so there will be no instant messaging.

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<v Speaker 1>But beyond that, it meant that you could take a

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<v Speaker 1>radio telescope and you could use it to search for

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<v Speaker 1>signs that maybe someone out there in space has already

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<v Speaker 1>been using radio technology for communications or for other purposes,

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<v Speaker 1>and that perhaps this could help us determine if there

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<v Speaker 1>are other examples of intelligent life out there. I'll explain

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<v Speaker 1>more about how this was used in just a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>but first let's take a quick break. Kochoni and Morrison

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a paper about their proposal titled searching for Interstellar Communications.

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<v Speaker 1>The journal Nature published this paper, and the two scientists

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<v Speaker 1>addressed some pretty big questions. See now, as the late

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<v Speaker 1>great Douglas Adams once observed, space is big, really big.

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<v Speaker 1>And these radio telescopes are directional, so you have to

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<v Speaker 1>pick a spot to point the telescope at. But how

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<v Speaker 1>do you determine where you should look? How do you

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<v Speaker 1>decide this is the point in space we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>search right now? You might start off searching the equivalent

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<v Speaker 1>of a ghost town, and it could be that a

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<v Speaker 1>neighboring region of space might be absolutely teeming with life.

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<v Speaker 1>But because of that directional telescope, you wouldn't know that

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<v Speaker 1>you're just be getting data from a total uninhabited part

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<v Speaker 1>of space. So the implication you get is, oh, there's

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<v Speaker 1>nobody out there. Meanwhile, like two space doors down there's

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<v Speaker 1>a raging party going on. It's kind of like if

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<v Speaker 1>you were staring into a warehouse from the keyhole of

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<v Speaker 1>a door. You would only see stuff within the view

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<v Speaker 1>of that keyhole, but there could be a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>more warehouse just outside your area of view. You would

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea if anything was actually in the warehouse

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<v Speaker 1>or not. You would only be able to see from

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<v Speaker 1>that narrow range of the keyhole. That was the same

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<v Speaker 1>issue they were having with radio telescopes. Moreover, you could

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<v Speaker 1>point the radio telescope at a place where there is

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent life, but maybe it's at a region that's so

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<v Speaker 1>far away from the Earth we can't detect that life.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me put that another way. Human beings started

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<v Speaker 1>broadcasting radio in the early nineteen hundreds, so it's really

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<v Speaker 1>been less than one hundred and fifty years since we

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<v Speaker 1>started using radio for communication. There are stars in the

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<v Speaker 1>Milky Way Galaxy again, the same galaxy that our solar

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<v Speaker 1>system is in, that are around nine hundred thousand light

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<v Speaker 1>years away from us. That means it would take light

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<v Speaker 1>nine hundred thousand earth years to travel from that distant

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<v Speaker 1>star to us, So it takes nearly a million years

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<v Speaker 1>for that information to get to us. A radio communication

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<v Speaker 1>would require the same amount of time to get to us.

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<v Speaker 1>That means that if intelligent alien life exists, or even

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<v Speaker 1>existed on a planet around that distant star, that life

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<v Speaker 1>would have had to have invented and made use of

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<v Speaker 1>radio technology a million years ago for us to pick

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<v Speaker 1>up those signals today. That's assuming that intelligent life would

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<v Speaker 1>have somehow survived that million years. For us to say

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<v Speaker 1>that intelligent life exists today, right, we wouldn't know that

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. All we could say is there appears to

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<v Speaker 1>have been an intelligent civilization that existed a million years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>We aren't really sure what they're up to now, because

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<v Speaker 1>we'd have no way of knowing. We would only know

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<v Speaker 1>from the signals that were sent from the past. A

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<v Speaker 1>neat thing about space too, The further you look, the

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<v Speaker 1>more you're looking into the past, you're not seeing present

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<v Speaker 1>situations just because of the restriction of the speed of light.

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<v Speaker 1>So you'd only really be able to see any current

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<v Speaker 1>alien civilization if they were relatively close to us, because

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise you can't be certain that that civilization still exists

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<v Speaker 1>if it's thousands of light years away. Moreover, alien civilizations

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<v Speaker 1>would only have been able to hear us if they

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<v Speaker 1>were around one hundred and fifty light years or closer

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<v Speaker 1>to Earth. If they're further than one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>light years away, then our broadcasts would not have gone

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<v Speaker 1>far enough out to reach them. This, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is why a lot of science fiction stories are really

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<v Speaker 1>more like fantasy stories. A lot of them involve aliens

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<v Speaker 1>finding out about Earth because they picked up a radio

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<v Speaker 1>or television broadcast. But those broadcasts have only been around

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<v Speaker 1>for a few decades, so that would require the alien

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<v Speaker 1>to be relatively close to Earth in the first place

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up those transmissions because of those limitations of

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<v Speaker 1>the speed of light. Anyway, my point was, we might

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<v Speaker 1>be quote unquote looking at the right spot, but the

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<v Speaker 1>right spot might be far enough away that any radio

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<v Speaker 1>broadcasts would still be in transit to us and wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have arrived yet. It may not arrive for thousands of years.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's just one more tiny part of why looking

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<v Speaker 1>for meaningful signals in the sky is a huge challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>You've heard the phrase looking for a needle in a haystack. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like that, but you know, roughly a bazillion times

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<v Speaker 1>harder than that. Kachoni and Morrison set out an argument

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<v Speaker 1>about which areas of the galaxy would be most likely

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<v Speaker 1>to host an intelligent civilization capable of radio transmissions. This

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<v Speaker 1>included targeting stars that are neither too hot nor too

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<v Speaker 1>small or cold. Hot stars burn out quickly, and the

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<v Speaker 1>thought was, if it's a really hot star, it might

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<v Speaker 1>go through its life cycle fast enough that life doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a chance to evolve on any planets that might

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<v Speaker 1>be an orbit around that star. So the stars life

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<v Speaker 1>cycle is literally too short for life to have formed

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<v Speaker 1>around that system. Smaller, colder stars tend to be the

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<v Speaker 1>really old ones, ones that have been around for billions

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<v Speaker 1>of years, and with that much time, eventually, orbiting planets

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<v Speaker 1>will lock on a star so that one side of

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<v Speaker 1>the planet always faces the star and the opposite side

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<v Speaker 1>of the planet always faces away from the star. So

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<v Speaker 1>one side is always lit and the other side is

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<v Speaker 1>always dark, and that kind of planet would probably be

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<v Speaker 1>incapable of supporting life. So, said Cochoni and Morrison, we

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<v Speaker 1>should look for stars that are not that different from

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun. These would be the right age and size

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<v Speaker 1>to potentially support life if an orbiting planet were within

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<v Speaker 1>a certain range, which we tend to refer to as

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<v Speaker 1>the Goldilocks region. It has to be a distance that's

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<v Speaker 1>not too close to the Sun but not too far

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<v Speaker 1>away either, and that really narrows things down in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>and it means we can cross off potentially thousands or

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<v Speaker 1>millions of stars from our otherwise unmanageably huge list of

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<v Speaker 1>potential targets to look at. And so with this in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>another astronomer and an astrophysicist named Frank Drake decided to

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<v Speaker 1>take this hypothesis and to actually put it in action.

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<v Speaker 1>He conducted the first search for extraterrestrial intelligence with the

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<v Speaker 1>help of radio astronomy, and it was called Project Ozma,

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<v Speaker 1>named after the character Ozma from L. Frank Baum's oz books.

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<v Speaker 1>Drake secured time on a radio telescope that measured twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six meters or eighty five feet across to scan for

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<v Speaker 1>radio frequencies that originated out of Tao Seti and Epsilon Eridani.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are two different stars, and both stars are relatively

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<v Speaker 1>close to our own solar system, and both our Sun

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<v Speaker 1>like enough that they could serve as potentially good targets.

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<v Speaker 1>Based on Kochoni and Morrison's proposed guidelines. Apart from one outlier,

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<v Speaker 1>his team found no evidence of radio signals indicating potential

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent communication. The one outlier they did pick up, while

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<v Speaker 1>initially interesting, proved to be terrestrial in nature, meaning that

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<v Speaker 1>it originated from an aircraft made by dull old humans,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't come from outer space. It was something that we

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<v Speaker 1>had created and this radio telescope just happened to pick

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<v Speaker 1>it up. And that actually illustrates another challenge with using

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<v Speaker 1>radio telescopes, weeding out the signals that are actually coming

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<v Speaker 1>from us as opposed to coming from space. And it

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<v Speaker 1>sure would be embarrassing to come forward with a claim

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<v Speaker 1>that you've discovered alien communication only for it to turn

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<v Speaker 1>out to be a terrestrial signal, like an old Mork

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<v Speaker 1>and Mindy episode, or something that's only got a character

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<v Speaker 1>who's supposed to be an alien in it, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>actually alien. Now, Luckily, this early experience taught researchers to

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<v Speaker 1>include a secondary antenna that would only be sensitive enough

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<v Speaker 1>to detect terrestrial signals. So you put this secondary antenna

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<v Speaker 1>near the first antenna. They're both pointed at the same

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<v Speaker 1>section of sky, and then when you get a beep,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you register a signal. You can compare the

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<v Speaker 1>primary telescope, the one that you're using to search for

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<v Speaker 1>extraterrestrial intelligence, against this smaller antenna, and if the smaller

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<v Speaker 1>antenna also picked up the signal, you know that signal

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<v Speaker 1>was terrestrial, because the smaller antenna isn't powerful enough to

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<v Speaker 1>pick up stuff from outer space. So you say, all right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if it appears on both, we know that that came

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<v Speaker 1>from Earth. We know that that's not actually a signal

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<v Speaker 1>scent from somewhere out in space. So they learned that

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<v Speaker 1>lesson very quickly, and that was very helpful. Drake further

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<v Speaker 1>contributed to the discourse about the search for extraterrestrial intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>by proposing a way to sort of conceptualize the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of detecting intelligent civilizations in the universe these days. We

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<v Speaker 1>call it the Drake equation and it's a pretty cool concept,

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<v Speaker 1>and it goes something like this. All right, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>variable that we're going to call N. N represents the

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<v Speaker 1>number of civilizations in our galaxy with which we could

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<v Speaker 1>possibly communicate. So N is that number. It's an unknown number.

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<v Speaker 1>What determines the value of that number, Well, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of stuff that you have to take into account,

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<v Speaker 1>and that includes the average rate at which stars form

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<v Speaker 1>in the Milky Way, the number of those stars that

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<v Speaker 1>will actually have planets form around them, because not every

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<v Speaker 1>star has planets, the average number of those planets that

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<v Speaker 1>could potentially support life, the number of planets that could

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<v Speaker 1>support life that actually go on to support life. So far,

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't found any that definitively fit that definition. Then

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<v Speaker 1>the number of those planets in which the life that

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<v Speaker 1>forms can develop to the point of gaining intelligence, the

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<v Speaker 1>number of planets with intelligent life that then develop and

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<v Speaker 1>use communication tools that would be detectable from Earth. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the length of time such civilizations have been doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>because that length of time will determine whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>they would be detectable. Right, so, even if they exist, again,

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<v Speaker 1>if they're far far away, there's no way we could

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<v Speaker 1>detect them anyway, because again the speed of light is

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<v Speaker 1>a limiting factor. So this equation is not meant to

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<v Speaker 1>give us a hard and fast number like three or something. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>it helps us frame the likelihood of detecting intelligent life,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically intelligent life that is using radio communication. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know anything about the number of plants that can

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<v Speaker 1>definitively support life or anything else beyond that particular variable. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we got information about some of the other stuff. We

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<v Speaker 1>have a general idea of how frequently stars form in

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<v Speaker 1>the Milky Way. We are refining our understanding of how

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<v Speaker 1>many stars have planets. Turns out that way more stars

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<v Speaker 1>have planets than we initially thought. Then we have to think,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, well, how many of those plants could potentially

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<v Speaker 1>support life based upon their distance from the star, the

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<v Speaker 1>age of the star, the heat of the star, all

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<v Speaker 1>of those other variables. So we're slowly learning more about

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<v Speaker 1>the front half of that equation, and the back half

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<v Speaker 1>is still largely a mystery to us. Now it's important

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<v Speaker 1>so that we can use that kind of information to

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<v Speaker 1>help refine our search. Right, we want to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that we are looking at the places most likely to

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<v Speaker 1>produce good results, because again, space is really big. If

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:52.479
<v Speaker 1>we just randomly point the telescope in any given direction,

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<v Speaker 1>the odds of success are minuscule. We want to improve

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<v Speaker 1>those odds as best we can by making some intelligent

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<v Speaker 1>decisions based on educated guesses. Really. Now, the Seti Institute,

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<v Speaker 1>a not for profit scientific research organization, wouldn't come into

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<v Speaker 1>being until nineteen eighty four. However, between Drake's project Ozma

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<v Speaker 1>in the early nineteen sixties and the SETI Institute's formation

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty four, there were lots of astronomers who

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<v Speaker 1>were looking for signals that might have originated from an

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent civilization out in space. I find a lot of

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>people confuse SETI the science that's the general science of

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<v Speaker 1>searching for extraterrestrial intelligence, and SETI the institute. Those are

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<v Speaker 1>The SETI Institute is dedicated toward a deeper understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>life in general and its place in the universe and

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<v Speaker 1>the potential existence of extraterrestrial intelligence. But the two are

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<v Speaker 1>not synonymous. It's not SETI and the SETI Institute are

0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 1>related but distinct. Now, back in nineteen sixty seven, there

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>was an astronomer named Jocelyn Bell who noticed something that

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:09.400
<v Speaker 1>initially seemed really promising from a SETI perspective. Turned out

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>it was incredible information period, but we just didn't understand

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>its significance at the time. She noticed what appeared to

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 1>be a pulsing radio signal. She and her supervisor charted

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the pulses that they were detecting and they were detecting

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>them at regular intervals, like each day, slightly off by

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 1>hours or whatever. But it was it was unusual. They

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:37.440
<v Speaker 1>weren't expecting it, and at the time they didn't have

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:40.720
<v Speaker 1>an explanation for the origin of those radio pulses, so

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 1>they had to label it as something, and at the

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>time they labeled it LGM ie. LGM stood for Little

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Green Men. It was a somewhat tongue in cheek way

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 1>to indicate that, I don't know, maybe this is purposeful

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 1>radio broadcasting. We don't know. They kept looking into it,

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.640
<v Speaker 1>they kept trying to figure out exactly what it was

0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and where the signal was originating from, and over time

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 1>they concluded that it was actually a naturally occurring pulse.

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 1>It was not like an outgoing phone message from beyond

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:17.880
<v Speaker 1>the stars or something. Ultimately, this hunch that they had

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>that it was a naturally occurring phenomenon proved correct, and

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 1>scientists were able to figure out that the pulse was

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 1>coming from rotating neutron stars called pulsars. So while it

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't turn out to be aliens, astronomers were able to

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 1>expand our understanding of space, so it was still super cool.

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>It just you know it wasn't aliens. Ohio State University

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 1>launched the first long term SETI study in nineteen seventy three,

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>and unlike other attempts, this one surveyed the entire night

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 1>sky as the Earth rotated. Instead of honing in on

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 1>a specific region of space and then just staying locked

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 1>onto that region, it would do a full scan every night,

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 1>slightly different arc each night, full scan of the night sky.

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy seven, that system registered a signal that

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 1>was many times stronger than the background signals that the

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 1>telescope was recording. There was an analyst named Jerry Emmon

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>who wrote down the word wow in the margin of

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 1>the computer print out for that detection, and to this

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 1>day we call it the Wow signal. And the signal

0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 1>had a profile that suggested it wasn't your typical, naturally

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 1>occurring radio wave. It was this weird spike. But despite

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:33.320
<v Speaker 1>numerous efforts, the telescope did not pick up any subsequent

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 1>signals from that part of space. Emmon himself later guessed

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 1>that perhaps the signal originated from Earth. Maybe it was

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 1>something that got beamed up and then reflected off of

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>something in space, like a piece of space debris and

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 1>thus it didn't originate from extraterrestrial sources at all, but

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 1>we don't know for sure. Astronomers oversaw similar efforts with

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 1>different radio telescopes around the world over the years, and

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 1>it's a bit tricky because it requires securing time on

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>radio telescopes for the purposes of searching for extraterrestrial intelligence,

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 1>and the owners of those telescopes frequently scientific research institutions

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 1>universities that kind of thing. They often have their own

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 1>priorities which may or may not involve seeking out evidence

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:22.840
<v Speaker 1>of intelligent life in the galaxy. So finding time when

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 1>you can use those radio telescopes is pretty tricky stuff.

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty four, Thomas Pearson and Jill Tarter found

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>the not for profit organization called the SETI Institute, with

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>the mission to understand life and a sort of universal context.

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 1>So again, while there is a SETI organization, SETI as

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 1>a whole really refers to the science the effort, the

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 1>specific application of techniques and processes, and an effort to

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 1>attain a particular outcome, namely to find evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence.

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Astronomers interested in pursuing goals related to SETI often have

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>to wait for times when telescopes aren't in active use

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 1>for some other purpose, and that really limits what they

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 1>can accomplish. Other groups have developed a way to piggyback

0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 1>onto existing radio telescopes. So piggyback systems tend to be

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 1>systems that monitor data picked up by a radio telescope,

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 1>so it's like an additional computer readout of what's going on.

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.840
<v Speaker 1>So the team that's using the radio telescope is doing

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 1>it to do some specific purpose. Meanwhile, SETI researchers are

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 1>using a parallel readout, just looking for anything that might

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 1>stand out as a potential example of evidence for extraterrestrial intelligence.

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 1>This is tricky because again the SETI researchers have no

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 1>say on where a telescope's going to be pointed. They're

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>just looking at the same data, but for a different reason.

0:33:56.680 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 1>So it's not ideal. But again, yeah, telescopes are kind

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>of hard to come by. Even with all these limitations,

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 1>scientists were generating a lot of information that they needed

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 1>to sift through. Radio telescopes pick up a lot of noise,

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 1>and there may be signal in that noise. I mean

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 1>that signal might be incredibly weak, but you have to

0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:21.359
<v Speaker 1>really examine the data closely in order to figure out

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:25.120
<v Speaker 1>what is truly a signal versus just random noise in

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 1>the background. And then you have to weed out all

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 1>the other stuff like did that signal come from a

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 1>natural phenomenon? Did it come from a terrestrial source. This

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 1>is not easy to do. Scientists were already having to

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>work pretty hard to secure time with radio telescopes. It

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:44.480
<v Speaker 1>would be even harder to secure time with something like

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 1>a supercomputer because supercomputers also are owned by just a

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 1>few different universities and research organizations and labs, and they

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:56.759
<v Speaker 1>typically are being used for other stuff that takes a

0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:01.440
<v Speaker 1>higher priority than searching for extraterrestrial and dilligence. And then

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 1>there was a breakthrough, and that breakthrough came in the

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 1>form of network connectivity. In the early nineteen nineties, the

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 1>mainstream public first began learning about this weird thing called

0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:16.160
<v Speaker 1>the Internet, and by nineteen ninety nine, the Internet was,

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.840
<v Speaker 1>if not a household term, at least something most folks

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 1>had some experience or knowledge of. And that's what opened

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 1>up the opportunity for SETI at home. I'll explain more

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:30.240
<v Speaker 1>in just a minute, but first let's take another quick break,

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 1>So there are many different models for computing. When I

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:47.840
<v Speaker 1>was growing up, I was familiar with a more centralized model.

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 1>So in my case, I was growing up in the

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 1>era of personal computers, and the computers I first used

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 1>were completely self contained. They didn't connect to a larger network.

0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:02.719
<v Speaker 1>All the processing capability, all the programs, all the capacity

0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:06.560
<v Speaker 1>for storage were connected to the physical computer itself. They

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 1>might be peripherals, but it was all part of the

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:13.400
<v Speaker 1>personal computer. A few years ago, the big trend was

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 1>cloud computing. So with cloud computing, you've got networked servers

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:19.719
<v Speaker 1>that are doing a lot of the processing power for

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:24.360
<v Speaker 1>big applications. The devices we're using, whether they're computers or

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 1>mobile devices or sensors or whatever, are mostly acting as

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:32.400
<v Speaker 1>transmitters and receivers for many tasks. We provide input to

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 1>these devices, and the device then transmits commands to some

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 1>distant group of servers that takes that information, does some

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 1>sort of operation on it, produces some sort of result,

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and sends that back to us. So no longer do

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:51.920
<v Speaker 1>we have to have really powerful computers directly at our disposal.

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 1>We can rely on cloud services to do that computing

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:57.319
<v Speaker 1>for us, at least for some things. For other things

0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 1>like if you want to do low latency, high graphics

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 1>fidelity gaming, for example, you want to have a really good,

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:12.400
<v Speaker 1>strong computer processor at your disposal because latency with transmission

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:14.759
<v Speaker 1>can completely ruin that experience. But for the most part,

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 1>you get what I'm saying well. SETTI at Home was

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 1>an example of sort of a third model called distributed computing.

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 1>The idea was that you could take a group of

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:29.800
<v Speaker 1>regular old personal computers, the kind that any average person

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>could have in their home. You would install some software

0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 1>on those computers, and that software would allow the computers

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:40.760
<v Speaker 1>to process chunks of data in some particular way before

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>sending the results back to wherever that data was coming

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 1>from in the first place. So if someone needed to

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:51.279
<v Speaker 1>tackle a really big data processing job, one that could

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 1>be divided up into smaller chunks, that person could use

0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 1>a centralized computer or maybe a network of computers to

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 1>send out these smaller unks of data to this distribution

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 1>of personal computers for processing and then wait for the

0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 1>results to come back, and then group them all together

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 1>and see what you got. It speeds things up considerably.

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 1>It increases the processing assets of the project. As more

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:19.719
<v Speaker 1>computers joined that project and it reduces the need to

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>turn to stuff like supercomputers, and it also achieved another

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:27.399
<v Speaker 1>goal which the founders of the project had in mind,

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:32.320
<v Speaker 1>which was to encourage enthusiasm and excitement around the subject

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 1>of science. Computer scientist David Gedge, astronomers Woody Sullivan and

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Dan Wertheimer, and David Anderson, who was David's graduate school advisor,

0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:47.399
<v Speaker 1>collectively came up with this idea all the way back

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety nine, specifically with SETI at Home. They

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 1>were trying to come up with a scientific application people

0:38:56.120 --> 0:39:00.400
<v Speaker 1>would be excited to participate in, and while they weren't

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 1>necessarily super optimistic that SETI at Home would produce incredible

0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:12.320
<v Speaker 1>results from a scientific perspective, they thought from a motivating perspective,

0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 1>it was just the ticket, and it was pretty genius.

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Upon launch, anyone with a computer and an Internet connection

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 1>could conceivably help in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. The

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 1>researchers created a screen saver program, so if you wanted

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 1>to participate, you could download the screen saver and install

0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:34.400
<v Speaker 1>it on your personal computer. When your computer would go

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:39.280
<v Speaker 1>idle and activate the screen saver, the processor of your computer,

0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 1>which otherwise would be doing very little would get to

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 1>work on some data sent over from the SETI research project.

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 1>So the research project would pull information from a radio

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 1>telescope divided into chunks and then parcel it out to

0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:59.040
<v Speaker 1>people participating in this project when complete, when your processor

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 1>was done working on chunk of data, it would send

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>the results back to the central point for the project

0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and wait for the next chunk of data. And if

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>you were to come back to do some work on

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 1>your computer, let's say you come back after taking a

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:15.279
<v Speaker 1>break for half an hour, the screensaver goes inactive and

0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:18.840
<v Speaker 1>the program would surrender your processing cycles back to you,

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:20.959
<v Speaker 1>so you didn't have to worry about SETI at home

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:24.400
<v Speaker 1>suddenly taking up all of your computer's processing power. It

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:26.880
<v Speaker 1>would only jump back onto the job when your computer

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>went idle again and your CPU had availability. Now, as

0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.719
<v Speaker 1>I said, this idea was genius, but the original implementation

0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 1>of the idea was less. So now that's not a

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:43.320
<v Speaker 1>slight on the researchers, because when they launched the project

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 1>in May nineteen ninety nine, they were expecting that they

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 1>might get as many as a thousand people signing up.

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:54.239
<v Speaker 1>They figured that, well, this is an interesting idea and

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:56.719
<v Speaker 1>we'll probably see some folks really you know, who are

0:40:56.760 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 1>really into science join, but I'm not sure about anything

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 1>beyond that. Now, with that expectation, they only dedicated a

0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:10.800
<v Speaker 1>single desktop PC for the purposes of assigning processing tasks

0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 1>and receiving the results from the distributed computers. They did

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:18.279
<v Speaker 1>not anticipate how enthusiastic the reception to the project would be.

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 1>They didn't see a thousand people sign up when they

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 1>launched SETI at Home. They saw a million people sign up.

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:30.480
<v Speaker 1>So let's put that into perspective. Let's say you've set

0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:33.240
<v Speaker 1>up a lemonade stand and you did some brief scouting

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 1>work and you anticipated that the location you're setting up

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:40.200
<v Speaker 1>in you're gonna see maybe ten customers in thirty minutes,

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 1>and you think that's manageable. Well, what you didn't realize

0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 1>is that you've actually set up your stand in sourpuss

0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:50.719
<v Speaker 1>scurvy town. It's a town populated entirely by people with

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 1>an unquenchable thirst for lemonade. So instead of ten people

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 1>showing up in that first half hour, ten thousand people

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:02.279
<v Speaker 1>mob your lemonade stand. You are overwhelmed. Well, the same

0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:05.320
<v Speaker 1>thing happened to the SETI at Home PC that was

0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:07.560
<v Speaker 1>in charge of sending out and receiving all that data.

0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.520
<v Speaker 1>It was a good problem to have, but it was

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:14.800
<v Speaker 1>still a problem. Sun Microsystems jumped in and donated a

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:18.120
<v Speaker 1>bunch of computers to help the SETI at Home administrators

0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:21.480
<v Speaker 1>make the system work, and from that moment on the

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:24.759
<v Speaker 1>program went into high gear. People in the program were

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:29.680
<v Speaker 1>contributing to scientific exploration just by allowing their idle computers

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 1>to focus on complicated mathematical problems when the computer was

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 1>otherwise not in use. It was a beautiful thing. The

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:39.719
<v Speaker 1>response also meant that the project could go through information

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 1>orders of magnitude faster than if it had all been

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:48.040
<v Speaker 1>handled in house. They had the advantage of a million processors.

0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 1>That's something that no SETI project could have afforded on

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:55.160
<v Speaker 1>its own at that time. It also inspired other scientific

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:59.920
<v Speaker 1>projects to launch distributed computing efforts. Folding at Home, for example,

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:03.960
<v Speaker 1>taps into idle computers to solve protein folding problems that

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 1>could lead to incredible advances in medicine and biology. On

0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 1>top of that, online communities formed around SETI at Home.

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:16.120
<v Speaker 1>People connected over forums and formed friendships. There were even

0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 1>stories about people meeting online, falling in love, and getting

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.400
<v Speaker 1>married out in the real world, all while using their

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<v Speaker 1>computers to seek out evidence of intelligent life. It was

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<v Speaker 1>all really remarkable and beautiful. But hey, if it was

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<v Speaker 1>so super cool, why the heck is the project shutting

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<v Speaker 1>down now? Twenty one years after it launched? Is the

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<v Speaker 1>book closed on extraterrestrial intelligent life? Are we done? Have

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<v Speaker 1>we given up? Well? Not quite. The problem now is

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<v Speaker 1>that we've got a ton a mountain of processed data

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<v Speaker 1>from this project that has to be further analyzed, and

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<v Speaker 1>that taps into something else that I plan to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about more later on this year, the challenges of big data.

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<v Speaker 1>We're able to collect mind staggeringly huge amounts of information,

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<v Speaker 1>but understanding and using that information is another matter. It

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<v Speaker 1>presents a really big challenge. Even with all of these

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<v Speaker 1>analyzed chunks of info, that data still has to be

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<v Speaker 1>processed to see what's actually been found over the two

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<v Speaker 1>decades of SETI at Home. The researchers overseeing SETI at

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<v Speaker 1>Home hope to publish a paper on the subject, and

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<v Speaker 1>to do that they need to look at all the

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<v Speaker 1>results of the stuff that the program actually found, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they needed to stop gathering data. While that happens,

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<v Speaker 1>they have to actually stop so that they can see

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<v Speaker 1>what they have, as opposed to continuously adding to that pile.

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<v Speaker 1>This hiatus will allow the team to look at the results,

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<v Speaker 1>form conclusions, and write a paper based on the whole project.

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<v Speaker 1>And while we don't anticipate any reports of intelligent communications

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<v Speaker 1>popping up as a result of this analysis, the endeavor

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<v Speaker 1>as a whole has been really successful, particularly in the

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<v Speaker 1>context of getting people excited about participating in science. On

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<v Speaker 1>the back end of SETI at Home is an infrastructure

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<v Speaker 1>that grew over time. It is called the Berkeley Open

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<v Speaker 1>Infrastructure for Network Computing. This support system hosts numerous distributed

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<v Speaker 1>computing projects that work on the same basic principles as

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<v Speaker 1>SETI at Home. It's just that each of these projects

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<v Speaker 1>have a different goal or purpose. Some are dedicated to

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<v Speaker 1>detecting and measuring asteroids. Some provide cern processing capabilities to

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<v Speaker 1>help analyze data produced by the Large Hadron Collider in

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<v Speaker 1>an effort to gain a deeper understanding of particle physics

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<v Speaker 1>and quantum mechanics. There are projects that focus on climate science, physics,

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<v Speaker 1>cognitive science, and more, and you can check them all

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<v Speaker 1>out at boink dot Berkeley dot edu, slide projects dot php.

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<v Speaker 1>That's bo I Inc. Dot Berkeley dot edu. Slash projects

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<v Speaker 1>dot php. If you want to dedicate some of your

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<v Speaker 1>computer's idle processing power to solving really interesting problems in science,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great way to contribute. You're not even doing

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<v Speaker 1>anything active, but you are helping, you know, peel back

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<v Speaker 1>the border of our understanding. We're pushing that boundary further

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<v Speaker 1>and further out, and you can do it just with

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<v Speaker 1>your computer's idle time. It's pretty incredible. So, while SETI

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<v Speaker 1>at Home is writing off into the sunset, at least

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<v Speaker 1>for a while, anyway, there are still efforts around the

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<v Speaker 1>world dedicated in full or in part to the search

0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 1>for extraterrestrial life. The search hasn't ended yet, even if

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<v Speaker 1>SETI at Home is, at least for now over And

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<v Speaker 1>while we don't have anything jumping out to us as

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<v Speaker 1>a positive appslcely yes, we need to check this out.

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:05.520
<v Speaker 1>We're pretty sure someone's talking to us. Kind of incident.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good to remember that space is really big. Who knows,

0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:15.359
<v Speaker 1>maybe the next star we point a telescope at will

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<v Speaker 1>be beaming whatever the alien version of the Great British

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<v Speaker 1>bakeoff is one can only hope, and that wraps up

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<v Speaker 1>this episode of Tech Stuff. My hat is off to

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<v Speaker 1>the SETI at Home crew. I think it was an

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<v Speaker 1>admirable use of technology to inspire people to get into science.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a worthy endeavor to search for

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<v Speaker 1>extraterrestrial intelligence. It was great to see other projects take

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:47.360
<v Speaker 1>that same model and apply it to their own scientific endeavors.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's to me one of those great stories in technology.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if we didn't find any direct evidence of little

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<v Speaker 1>green men out there, who knows what the future will bring.

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<v Speaker 1>If you enjoyed that episode from March eleventh, twenty twenty,

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:06.319
<v Speaker 1>SETI Not at Home, I will be back next week

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:09.960
<v Speaker 1>with all new episodes. I miss you guys so much.

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:13.279
<v Speaker 1>Trust me. Every time I'm getting my picture taken with

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Mickey Mouse or Rapunzel or Aeriel, my two favorite princesses,

0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of y'all and wishing you could all be

0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:22.320
<v Speaker 1>there to be in a big group photo with me.

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Maybe someday we'll organize a big Tech Stuff trip to

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:29.759
<v Speaker 1>Disney World and I'll talk all the way through the

0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Haunted Mansion ride until they tell me to leave, until

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:35.120
<v Speaker 1>then I hope you're all well, and I'll talk to

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