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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one and

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Speaker 1: two Tan's show, Dan and I are answering deer hunting

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Speaker 1: questions that you, the listeners, have emailed in. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sick Gear, and today, I think is going to

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Speaker 1: be a fun and pretty different episodes can be laid back.

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Speaker 1: It's just me and Dan today and we're going to

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Speaker 1: answer your questions that you've emailed in. And I want

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Speaker 1: to give you a little context as to how I

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Speaker 1: came about having this idea and doing this. Um there's

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Speaker 1: this podcast I listened to. It's uh, it's not hunting

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Speaker 1: really a podcast at all. It's called reply All and

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Speaker 1: it's just a show about the Internet and interesting kind

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Speaker 1: of fun stories that are somehow related to the Internet.

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Speaker 1: And on one of these episodes last year, they started

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Speaker 1: talking about the two hosts of this show. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about how stressful it is to try to handle email

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Speaker 1: and how they just get overloaded with emails and there's

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Speaker 1: so many they have, and then slowly over time, you know,

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Speaker 1: they get so far behind our emails. Then they look

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Speaker 1: at an email from like five months ago or seven

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Speaker 1: months ago, and it's an important thing. They should answer it,

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Speaker 1: but they're now petrified to answer because of how embarrassed

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Speaker 1: And so I don't know if you can relate to this, Dan,

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Speaker 1: but so they decided to have They decided that we

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Speaker 1: need to get like just blanket forgiveness for emails, and

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Speaker 1: they decided to start a holiday called Email Forgiveness Day.

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Speaker 1: We're on a certain day of the year, you can

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Speaker 1: email anyone from as far back. You can reply to

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Speaker 1: an email from as long ago as possible, and you

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Speaker 1: can just respond to it completely guilt free, and then

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Speaker 1: just linked to this email or this u r L

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Speaker 1: that they created that explains Email Forgiveness Day. So on

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Speaker 1: that day, respond to one email from a long, long,

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Speaker 1: long time ago. And I love this idea because with

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Speaker 1: about it. There's so many people that have sending emails

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Speaker 1: asking questions or different things, and I just cannot. It's

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Speaker 1: just getting to the point now where it's just not

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Speaker 1: logistically even possible to be able to answer all these emails,

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Speaker 1: email Forgiveness concept, which the Email Forgiveness Day was a

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Speaker 1: So this past weekend or Friday or something, this is

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Speaker 1: gonna be our Email Forgiveness week of the podcast. And

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna do is we're going to answer a

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Speaker 1: bunch of email questions that have been sent in over

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Speaker 1: the past months, um and you know, answer as many

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Speaker 1: of those we can today and hopefully then hopefully my

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Speaker 1: hope is that the rest of you can forgive me

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Speaker 1: for not responding to those of you that I have missed.

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Speaker 1: I apologize for that, trying hard to stay up on

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Speaker 1: as much as it as it possibly can. But through

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Speaker 1: being helpful still. So that's the game plan. Dandy, think,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about this Email Forgiveness podcast? Me, personally,

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Speaker 1: I'm okay with it because I'm in the same boat

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Speaker 1: you are. I get a lot and uh, the I

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Speaker 1: I respond that's awesome, thanks for listening. And I do

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Speaker 1: that a lot. And it's not that I don't you know,

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Speaker 1: I really I'm intrigued and interested in what they have

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Speaker 1: getting to those emails. If you get a half asked

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Speaker 1: Um So that's that's kind of what I wanted to

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Speaker 1: I guess before we dive into those, Dan, anything new

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Speaker 1: on your end? Otherwise? Um, I pressure washed part of

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Speaker 1: my house. Well that's exciting, No, it's not. It freaking sucks. Mann.

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Speaker 1: I'm working that angle, man, I'm working that angle for

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Speaker 1: I can't really use it for a bargaining chip. But

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Speaker 1: oh well, so so right now, what is the prognosis

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm not gonna bring it up

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Speaker 1: You know, I still might I might have some bargaining

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Speaker 1: You uh, get out in Turkey on this weekend or now? No,

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Speaker 1: But so it goes right. There's a lot of distractions.

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Speaker 1: Maps will definitely do it. Maybe that maybe these types

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Speaker 1: That's right, bingo, and it's come full circle. It's come

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Speaker 1: full circle. We apologize. We're just horribly distracted, all full

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Speaker 1: word from our partners at Sick Gear, who have just

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Speaker 1: recently released their new products for two thousand and sixteen,

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Speaker 1: our sickest story today comes from John Mulligan, who had

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Speaker 1: a day of hunting so incredible that it's unlikely he'll

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Speaker 1: I can't explain it. It's disappointing, it's discouraging. But um,

428
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 1: but how we were raised. It's not how most of

429
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: us were raised, that's for sure. So I guess, Luke,

430
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: that's what that's what we would do. Hopefully this is

431
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: something that doesn't happen to you again in the future,

432
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: but maybe try some of these things and it it

433
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: might help discourage whoever this troubled person might be from

434
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,719
Speaker 1: from doing something in the future. So booby traps, booby

435
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: traps like digging a hole and putting branches over top

436
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: of it and then they fall in that kind of

437
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: thing that or you know, hey, here's uh, here's a

438
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 1: shed antler on a bear trap and reached down to

439
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: grab it and then their hand gets chopped off. Oh

440
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: my gosh, is that what happened to your finger? Yes,

441
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: I was trying to steal shed aidlers. The story comes out. Finally,

442
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 1: did you ever see that video that someone someone uh

443
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: booby trapped a situation like that? Can't gosh, I watched

444
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: it so long. I can't remember exactly what happened. Either

445
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: the guy was trespassing or like he was messing with

446
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: somebody else's trowel camera and he tripped a wire something

447
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: that blasted paint all over the guess it was a

448
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: trust pastor he was rifle hunting on this dude's property

449
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: and the guy comes in and it's a landmine full

450
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: of basically a landmine full of paint like paintballs, and

451
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: it just blasted the guy and it's hilarious to watch.

452
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 1: I guess what was coming to him? Oh man, Okay,

453
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 1: ready for question number two? Here we go, all right,

454
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: This question comes from Ben. Ben says I'm somewhat new

455
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: to the idea of dear herd management so far after

456
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: it have been based solely around the goal attracting dear

457
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: to my property as it was drastically mismanaged in the

458
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: past at any rates early season here in Illinois. So

459
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: he sent this to me early season last year, so

460
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: a few months behind. So hopefully this is probably gave

461
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: up on hunting just because you didn't respond to him. Actually,

462
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: I hope that's not the case, Ben. So he says

463
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: it was day two of the season and during his hunt,

464
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: he had a decent doe walk out at twenty yards.

465
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: As he drew back, two fonds emerged behind her. They

466
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 1: looked to be old enough to survive, but I hesitated

467
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: to take the shot and ultimately decided to pass. The

468
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: doe eventually wandered off with the fauns in tow. So

469
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: did I make the correct decision or did I just

470
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: miss an opportunity to put meat in my freezer with

471
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 1: minimal effect on my herd? What do you think, Dan?

472
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: Should you have should he have taken this dough with

473
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: two fawns? Or girl? I believe you've you've talked about

474
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: this before, So I'm gonna pass this question back to you. Yeah,

475
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm not for what I talked

476
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: about it. But I know we have talked about to

477
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: some degree in the past, but I think it's worth

478
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: having a discussion again to some to some degree. So

479
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: I have like fluctuated on this back and forth, and

480
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: it kind of depends on like the moment for me,

481
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: to be honest. Um, for a long time, I thought

482
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: I would never want to shoot a dough, an adult

483
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: dough they had fawns with her, because that just like

484
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: didn't feel right and those you know, what would happen

485
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: those fawns, etcetera, etcetera. But then the more stuff I

486
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: read and more research I did, I you can't realize

487
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: that by the time that hunting season rolls around, those

488
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: fawns are you know, they can, they can survive and

489
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: there will be viable at that time in their life.

490
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: They can they can handle it without the mom there

491
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: with them. Um, And many cases will be somewhat adopted

492
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: by you know, another family group of of does in

493
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: the area in some cases, So you know, from a

494
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: biological standpoint and from a herd management standpoint, from everything

495
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: I've seen and heard, that's okay to do you are

496
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: not dooming three deer by killing one adult though, um

497
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: so would that being the case. I have taken adult

498
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: does with young um in the past, although I've never

499
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: taken you know something, you know that depends on when

500
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 1: a faun is born, and there's some that look just

501
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: super super super young, like sometimes still spots, and then

502
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 1: there's some that just look a little bit healthier and older,

503
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, just like the emotional impact of

504
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: that sometimes on me, I just just said, now, I

505
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: don't want to do it. It just doesn't feel right.

506
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: And that's just me. That's just me. Um, Sometimes it

507
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,479
Speaker 1: feels right. Sometimes I just want to let them go.

508
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how to explain that

509
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: accept other than maybe being a pushover, I guess, and

510
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Um.

511
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: You know, I respect and care for and enjoy watching

512
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: these animals, and UM, I want these animals to you know,

513
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: be treated and hunted in a respectful and ethical way. So,

514
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's one of those in the

515
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: moment decisions, and for me, it has it has varied

516
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: depending on the day and the situation and and all that.

517
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: So I guess for me, Ben, I would say you

518
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: made the right decision because that's what felt right too

519
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: in that moment. And yeah, that could have been an

520
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: opportunity to put meat in the freezer, but I hope

521
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: that farther down the line you had another opportunity. And

522
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: in most cases, if you're if you're hunting for a dough,

523
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 1: there will be other opportunities if you're playing your cards right. Um,

524
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: if you hunt smart and are an area where there's

525
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: a decent population of deer, you should have more opportunities

526
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: to to shoot a dough. So I don't think there's

527
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: anything wrong with waiting until that feels right to you,

528
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: because that's tough decision. Killing an animal is something I've

529
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: said a thousand times before, but it's a serious decision

530
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: and I don't think you should ever feel pressured to

531
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: make that decision, um if it doesn't feel right. So

532
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: that's my take, Dan, what do you think you know?

533
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much I'm pretty much on the same boat

534
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: as you. Um, I kind of go by a feel. Um,

535
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: I would love to kill an adult dough, you know,

536
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,239
Speaker 1: a mature dough. But um, I'll be honest and This

537
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: may sound bad, but fawn meat taste just as good.

538
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: You know. So if if you're going to if your

539
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: goal is to fill the freezer, you may not get

540
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: as much meat. But fawn meat is a little tender,

541
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: in my opinion, a little more tender. It tastes really good.

542
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: And um, there is a benefit in a way. A

543
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: guy once told me, um to killing a younger dough

544
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: as opposed to the mature dough. The mature dough will

545
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: go into heat first. And if you can pattern a

546
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: mature dough, then you also can pattern potentially the first

547
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: buck to come in through you know, late October, when

548
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: they start there, you know, when they start trying to

549
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: meet up with the first mature dough in the area.

550
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: That's something to think about as well. So I know

551
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: a guy who he doesn't like to he doesn't like

552
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: to kill the mature doughs. He likes to kill the

553
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: younger deer. Um. Granted, you know, in order to get mature,

554
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: you gotta get young. But as far as doughs are concerned,

555
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: he'll kill a yearling or or a one or two

556
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: year old dough. And uh, that's where he gets most

557
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: of his meat from. So just something else to think about. Yeah, interesting,

558
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: I'll throw another devil's advocate perspective on that. Um. One

559
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: other way to think about it is that the fewer

560
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: so a lot of people say if you if you've

561
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: got the doughs, you'll have the bucks during the rut,

562
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: and that's true to a degree, but also too much

563
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: of a good thing can be a bad thing, and

564
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: that if you have a huge number of doughs that

565
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: are up breeding age and viability, if there's a huge

566
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: number of doughs, there's not a lot of competition for bucks,

567
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: and that it's very easy for buck during the rut

568
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: to find a dough that's ready to breed. And because

569
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: of that, the rut, the visible rutting activity that you'll

570
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: see during the hunting season could be less, it could

571
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: be less intense, it could be less visible daylight activity

572
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: because those bucks don't need to be moving as much,

573
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: traveling as far and as active to find a dough.

574
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: So to have a more intense rut, you're gonna be

575
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: in a better situation if you've got a more controlled

576
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: dough herd that's more in line versus out of control,

577
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: really really high dough herd. So one of the things

578
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: that I've tried to do more recently is try to

579
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: do some of my dough hunting earlier in the season,

580
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: and I personally have been targeting more mature mature doughs

581
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: or at least of breeding age does, because then that

582
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: reduces the number of potential doughs for a buck to

583
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: to hook up with, which might lead to a slightly

584
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: more intense rut um rich you know, hopefully would result

585
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: in better opportunities from a hunting success standpoint for a

586
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: buck in the future. So that's one thing to consider.

587
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: Not that there's a right or wrong answer there, but

588
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: that's one of their perspective on it. Um. And the

589
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 1: one other thing I would say that that I do

590
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: believe is true um that I've read from studies and

591
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: everything that just makes biological sense that if you are

592
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: trying to control the door a doe herd, so if

593
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: you've got a population that is overpopular with deer, the

594
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: best way to do that is to be harvesting your

595
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: older doughs because they are the does that have the

596
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: greatest chance of um of having twins. So if you're

597
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: killing older deer, that's a better chance that you have

598
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: a larger impact from a herd standpoint, versus killing a

599
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: younger deer, which more likely that first year might only

600
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: have one um So one thing to think about depending

601
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: on what your herd situation is. If you're really trying

602
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: to control it, you might want to tire older deer.

603
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: If you're just trying to keep it stable or grow it,

604
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: but you still want to kill a dough maybe that

605
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: is the right call to kill the younger dose. So

606
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: a couple of things to think about on that standpoint.

607
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: Next question. Next question comes from Timothy. Timothy says, I

608
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: have numerous bucks in my area, but all are nocturnal,

609
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: especially the bigger ones that I consider shooters. I know

610
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: the rut is supposed to is supposed to inspire the

611
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: big guys to move, but it never seems to happen

612
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: around here. Is this typical? And if so, what's the answer? Uh?

613
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: In that question? Do you happen to know where Timothy

614
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: is from? I do not. Okay, So here's what here's

615
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: my opinion on that. I take it. You hunt, and

616
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: this is me doing throwing out a lot of assumptions.

617
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: Timothy hunts in a highly pressured area, all right, so

618
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: he is probably sharing property with other hunters, or he's

619
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: hunting on public ground. Um, if he knows that there

620
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: are big bucks in his area, he needs to be ready,

621
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: and they're nocturnal, he needs to be ready to not

622
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: hunt early season to relieve the pressure in that area

623
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: and hopefully, um, the trail cameras will show um movement

624
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: closer to daylight. Now, another option is that he checks

625
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: his trail cameras too much and he is spooking his

626
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: own deer and you know, going in to check his

627
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: trail camera too much. Um. So those are those are

628
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: two things that I can think of right off the

629
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: top of my head. The other is from from an

630
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: access point, he needs to be putting his trail cameras

631
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: not and this is only if he has good access

632
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: finding stand locations closer to potentially where they're betting. So

633
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: if they're not coming out to you know, ten fifteen

634
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: minutes after dark, then he needs to find out where

635
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: these bucks are at ten fifteen minutes before they're getting

636
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: caught on trail camera and go set a tree stand

637
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: in that location. Yeah, I think you're spot on. I

638
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: think that is exactly I think you know in this case,

639
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: like you said, if you make a lot of assumptions,

640
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: but I would say, do a do an internal audit,

641
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: audit everything you are doing on that property, because most likely,

642
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: if you have an acternal buck, the most likely cause

643
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: is that it is because well, there's two potential causes.

644
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: One is that you could have no acternal bucks because

645
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: you simply don't have the quality habitat for a buck

646
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: to spend daylight hours there. And he is spending his

647
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: daylight hours and any daylight time in the early or

648
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: even or late evening on that neighbors and there's only

649
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: traveling some type of far distance to get too proper tonight.

650
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: But I would say the more likely option or situation

651
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: is that pressure is causing that dear to be nocturnal.

652
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: Like you said, Dan, so audit yourself. Do all those

653
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: things that you just mentioned. I mean, think about am

654
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 1: I hunting too much early on and causing his dear

655
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: to become nocturnal? Am I checking my cameras too much?

656
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: Is my access bad? I mean all those things. You're

657
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely right. I think through all those things and

658
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: figure out, you know, am I the problem? And if

659
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: I am, how do I change that? And then if

660
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: if you're in a situation where no, maybe this guy

661
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: isn't hunting early season. He's he's being really careful about

662
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: checking his cameras, all those types of things. But still

663
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: because the pressure is so intense on his neighbor's properties

664
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: that his deer are becoming more more nocturnal. Then I

665
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: would say again, you have to then either like you,

666
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's much more I can add

667
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: what you said today, because you're right. You either need

668
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: to push in closer to where you think they're betting,

669
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: because that might be your only option to capture Um,

670
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: to to get a chance at the buck when he's

671
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: just getting out of his bed Um. But that's high risk.

672
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: Obviously you've got a great, you know, an opportunity to

673
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: make it even worse Um, or wait till the rut, when, yes,

674
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: there is going to be a better chance that they'll

675
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: make a mistake. So I think in that case I

676
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: would I would probably if it was super intense situation,

677
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: lots of hunting pressure, I wouldn't hunt at all until

678
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,479
Speaker 1: like peak of the rut and I got good weather

679
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: and I plan on, you know, try to keep the

680
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: pressure as absolutely low as possible until the timing is

681
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: great and then go in there and really hope that

682
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: all those factors finally going in my favorite plus having

683
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: not pressure these deer at all will give me that

684
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: little little you know, a little bit of hope and

685
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: a little bit of opportunity there you might be able

686
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: to take advantage of it. So right, One thing I'd

687
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: like to add is I can just hear somebody saying this,

688
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm bringing it up. Well, he's not

689
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: coming from my property. Okay, Well then you have to

690
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: start asking yourself different questions, Um, can you hunt that property? No,

691
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: you can't. Have you asked, then go, you know, knock

692
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: on the door, ask if you can hunt their property. Um.

693
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: And another thing that I always like to do is

694
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: and Bill Winkie touched on this and one of the

695
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: podcast about casting a net in regards to trail camera reconnaissance. Right,

696
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: so you have you have all these trail cameras out

697
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: and you get a target buck on one of the

698
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: one of your trail cameras. So you're taking down other

699
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: trail cameras and moving it into a different area to

700
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: hopefully find out where this buck is looping. And I

701
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: call it a loop. You know, they come out of

702
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: their bed they make their rounds and then they go

703
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: back to bed. And that's that's not necessarily the rut,

704
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: but that's pre rut, you know, and that late October

705
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: time frame when they're starting to get on their feet,

706
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: they're making their scrapes, they're they're they're you know, making

707
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: extra stops throughout the night looking for where these dough

708
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, sent checking these doughs. So bring another trail

709
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: camera into the area and try to find another point

710
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: where he is exposing himself, whether it's dark or not,

711
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: but two reference points will help you triangulate his position,

712
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: and then you can start bringing more trail cameras in

713
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: and hope trying to find this bucks loop. Yeah, that's

714
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: a good point, and I think that that brings us

715
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: back though to the original thing that you mentioned, which

716
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: is possibly overdoing with trail cars. So yet you have

717
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: to find that fine balance, like what where's the where's

718
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: that middle of the road where you can get enough

719
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: intel to adjust appropriately, yet not put so much pressure

720
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: on these deer just by checking trail cameras that you

721
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: hurt yourself in the longer. I mean, that is one

722
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: of the biggest challenges as a serious deer hunter. Today.

723
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: I think when you're trying to, you know, collect information

724
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: through cameras, that one of the greatest challenges that so

725
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: many people I talk to have is that they become

726
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: addicted to it or they feel like that's such an

727
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: important tool that they almost they lose the effectiveness of

728
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: it because of the fact that they're checking so often.

729
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: So I've got a good friend of mine who now

730
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: is trying to completely change his trail camera strategy to

731
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: become super super conservative with it because he's thinking now

732
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: that he's been overdoing it in Michigan, particularly where that

733
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: pressure is so intense. Um he's thinking, you know, based

734
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: on is you know success and things he's seen over

735
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: the past five years that have been much lower than

736
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: he would have hoped around here. A big part of

737
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: it is probably because he's been trying to be so

738
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: intense with his cameras and figuring out these deers. So

739
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:10,959
Speaker 1: now he's going to go about it the other way

740
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: and almost take cameras out the equation completely and instead

741
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: hunting just primarily based on terrain and you know what

742
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: he has been able to garner, what information has building

743
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: garner from from experience, and then see if that can

744
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: buy that reduced pressure if that will increase daylight movement.

745
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: So it's something that it all depends, I think on

746
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: where you hunt in the situation there, and the pressure

747
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, put on those deer by other people around

748
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: you and yourself, and what you can get away with.

749
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: But I think it's something you really have to be

750
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: mindful of. Um, So be careful about how you're checking

751
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: your cameras, Be careful about how often you check your cameras,

752
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: how you're accessing them, all those things I think you

753
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: really have to think about. And I think, you know,

754
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if we really need to get into it,

755
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: but we will because we go on on tangents. But um,

756
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with a guy recently about trail

757
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: cameras and yeah, it's awesome to get big buck pictures

758
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: and help locate, but sometimes trail cameras can do more

759
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: harm than good, and you have to go back to

760
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: the old school way of just being a hunter and

761
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: going out into the woods and and hunting and not

762
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: waiting on trail cameras and and going in and ruining

763
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 1: you know, potential sets by checking them. So it could

764
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: be a love hate relationship, very very true. I definitely

765
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: have gotten a lot more conservative than my cameras the

766
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: more I've been using them, because I've been finding that

767
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: very thing. It's it's so easy for it to to

768
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: consume you and to force you into poor decisions just

769
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: because you want to see those pictures. So I know,

770
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: I almost don't make any trips ever to check a

771
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: trail camera unless I am already passing through there or

772
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: in a vehicle. So if I'm heading to a tree stand,

773
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: I try now to position trail cameras in places that

774
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: are easy to access when I'm already going to hunt,

775
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: so I know I'm already gonna make an intrusion because

776
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: I'm hunting this location, so it's not going to be

777
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: that big of a deal to also check a camera,

778
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: So I do a lot more of that. Or I'm

779
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: waiting for rainy, windy days, or I'm putting cameras on

780
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: field edges that I can access by a TV or truck,

781
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: which in many cases has a much lower impact. So

782
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: it's a big thing to think about. Ready for the

783
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: next one, Let's do it all right. This question comes

784
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: from Dakota. Dakota is new to hunting, and he says

785
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: I'm planning on using sense, and I had a question

786
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: or two about that. Is there any advantage to putting

787
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: out a big buck scent and a docent in the

788
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: same area? Or can you ever oversent an area? That's

789
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: question number one? Secondly asked, are all sense about the

790
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: same or is using one off of a website or

791
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: something like that? Better smoke? Dear wouldn't be familiar with

792
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: that smell. And then finally he asked if we think

793
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: that ever calm is worth time. I don't know if

794
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: you've heard of ever Calm, but three questions there, Dan,

795
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: I'll really had the scent. What do you think? Alright?

796
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: Pick one? Pick one, I'll answer. I'll answer one, then

797
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: you can answered the second part of it. All right, Uh,

798
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: is there any advantage of putting out buck sent ad

799
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: docent in the same area? Or can you over scent?

800
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: Can you have too much sent out? So? I am

801
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: not a huge fan of like you know, estras urine

802
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: or bucking rut urine. I I've used it in the past,

803
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: but mostly on mock scrapes. Um. I've used a drip

804
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, you hang it in the tree and it

805
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: drips down onto a scrape and um it. Sometimes it works,

806
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't. I don't feel it. Uh. It necessarily

807
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: brings a ton more dear in the area. It might,

808
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: it might make a buck curious and they check it

809
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: out and they either make, you know, make it part

810
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: of their loop, or they decide, you know, hey, I'm

811
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: not gonna I don't need to worry about this. The

812
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: disadvantage here of putting sense out is you run the

813
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: risk again something we're gonna be talking a lot about

814
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: today's risk. You run the risk of deer being at

815
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: your tree stand location while you are walking to it

816
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: in the morning and you can't see so you can't

817
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: avoid it, or staying after dark after you know your

818
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: hunt's over so you have to get down at some

819
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: point and you're going to run the risk of potentially

820
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: spooking them. Or you have that sent there and morning

821
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: hunt and the deer already in the area and then

822
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: you blow them out. So it can be again a

823
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: double edged sword. Yeah, and I think I guess that

824
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: perspective you have there right there probably would apply to

825
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: all three questions right in a way. Yeah, I mean

826
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: I I kind of feel the same way. I'm not

827
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: a big guy when it comes to attracting sense or

828
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: anything like that. I've always been just of the mind

829
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: that's better to try to eliminate as much older as

830
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: possible and um, and not fuss too much about trying

831
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: to add in other attractings. I would rather just know

832
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: where dear want to be naturally and try to position

833
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: my out there in a sent free as possible way. Um.

834
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: That's been my way to go about it, and it's worked,

835
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: all right. I have definitely tested a lot of these

836
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: scents in the past, and just it hasn't been It

837
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: has not compelled me enough to want to continue doing it.

838
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: Not saying it can't work, not saying that they don't work.

839
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are some type of situations where they do.

840
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: But I think there there might be some of it.

841
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of that marketing magic that makes

842
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: us think that this little product will will change our

843
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: hopes and dreams and give us that big giant buck.

844
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure that's always the case either. So

845
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: it's a tool, but I don't know if it's necessarily

846
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: the cure all And it's a tool that I just

847
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: personally have not put a whole lot of faith in,

848
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: and well, let's look at it this way. You know,

849
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: you put a Chinese restaurant on a corner. If I'm

850
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: not in the mood for Chinese restaurant, I'm not going

851
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: to stop there. You know. It's kind of the same way.

852
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: I don't know why I said that. I'm sorry, but

853
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: you're making me hungry. But say, are, in my opinion,

854
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: kind of mood driven. So if buck smells an estraus

855
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: dough and he's not in the mood to breed, then

856
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: he's not going to come into your area. All these

857
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: things are trying to pull deer off of their natural

858
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 1: path and come to you or stop to you, when

859
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: you should be going to their natural path and trying

860
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: to intersect them without knowing you're there. Yep, I agree.

861
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: I think I think nine times that tend that is

862
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: the more likely tactic that will work. So so that's

863
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: my thought for all these when it comes to all

864
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: these scents. So because of that, I really can't speak

865
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: to whether using a you know, a scent bought off

866
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: a website versus one that was created locally or anything

867
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: that I couldn't tell you if that's gonna make a difference.

868
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: I've never used ever calm, So I personally can't speak

869
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: to that. Um. You know, the only scent stuff that

870
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: you and meet, at least that I use is osonics,

871
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: nose jammer, and sent in limiting spray, which all those

872
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: three things are used to just eliminate or or mask

873
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: my own sentence some way. So that's what I use.

874
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: That's what we do. It's not necessarily the only way

875
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: or the right way, but that's that's what we've done, right.

876
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: Dave Dave is next, Dan Dave David's next, and his

877
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: question again. He is a relatively new hunter as well.

878
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: This was his second season, and he says, I was

879
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: out in the woods tonight and a bunch of deer

880
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: came through after shooting hours. Would you suggest going back

881
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: to that same stand in the morning. Man, there's so

882
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: many questions that I have to ask right now that

883
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, I wish he was here. We're operating on.

884
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to do some assumptions here as well.

885
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: But go for it. Oh man, you're throwing it to me.

886
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: Dang it. I don't have the answer. That's like, I

887
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: saw a deer in the woods, how do I kill it?

888
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: Shoot it? Okay? So what I suggest going back to

889
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: the same stand in the morning. Well, it's getta depending

890
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: on a whole lot of different things. But let's kind

891
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: of flesh this out, kind of put together hypothetical situation,

892
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: and then we can debate that more detailed hypothetical. So

893
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: let's say if he's a new hunter, maybe he's just

894
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: targeting doze or young bucks. So let's go with that assumption.

895
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: And let's say he was out in the woods hunting

896
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: like a field edge or something. They didn't come through

897
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: until after shooting hours, So would that be a spot

898
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: to hunt again in the morning. Well, what what can

899
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: you take from this? If I'm thinking about this, Okay,

900
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: what did I learn from that hunt when I'm sitting

901
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 1: there in the evening? Or this person, Dave, he's sitting

902
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: there evening, he saw a deer come from somewhere after

903
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: shooting hours and passed by him. So what he can

904
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: gain from that is he knows what direction these deer

905
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: are coming from when they're coming from a betting air,

906
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: because if it's in the evening, they're coming from a

907
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: betting here heading towards some type of food store. So

908
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: you've got a piece of information in your in your toolkit.

909
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: Now you now know where some deer are better. Maybe

910
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: there's like I said, doze and young bucks. Maybe a

911
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: couple of dolls and a young buck came from this swamp.

912
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: Maybe now you realize that's potential betting are So what

913
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: I go back to the same stand in the morning.

914
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were hunted, if you were

915
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: hunting on the edge of a field where those deer

916
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: were feeding after daylight, I would probably say don't go

917
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: back there in the morning, because that is likely where

918
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: the deer or some deer might be feeding in the

919
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: morning before daylight as you're walking in there, and there's

920
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: like a great chance you might spook those deer. So

921
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: the better you know decision might be. Now that you

922
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: learned where a betting area is, look back at how

923
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: might you be able to access that betting area from

924
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: a different direction and hunt within it? If you want

925
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: to get there in the morning, you want to be

926
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: where the deer heading. You don't want to be where

927
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: the deer are right when you're walking in. So let's

928
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: say you now know that that swamp is where there's

929
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: seem to be some doughs betted. Think about how you

930
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: can get there without spooking deer in that field and

931
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: set up a tree stand in that swamp for your

932
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: next morning hunt, and you might be able to catch

933
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: those doughs or that young buck coming back to it

934
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: um that next time. Maybe that's a couple days later

935
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. But take that information and utilize

936
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: it for a future hunt, but not necessarily going back

937
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: right to that same stand in the morning. That's one

938
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: hypothetical situation that I just thought of, Dan, What are

939
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that or another hypothetically you might have

940
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: in mind. Yeah, for the most part, it's it's where

941
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: is the deer's destination. So if it's early season, more

942
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: than likely. And if it's if the deer that you

943
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: saw were does that came through after dark, they're on

944
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: there that you know pretty much. They pretty much have

945
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: uh a bed to feed pattern all year long, except

946
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: for when the bucks are kind of chasing them around.

947
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: But you have to know that if your access route

948
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: to your tree stand is the destination, then you should

949
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: avoid that access route, try to find another one, or

950
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: not hunt that particular stand. That's mighty sense. Yeah, Now

951
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: I will add let's let's look at the different situation.

952
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: Let's say this is a mature buck. And let's say

953
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: this is in the rut, and so this buck came

954
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: out after shooting hours, but let's say it's close to it,

955
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: and you saw him come out of this place. And

956
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: let's say you're not on the field. Let's say you're

957
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: back in kind of a travel quarter and you saw

958
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: this buck moving through, traveling to some other place, but

959
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: not necessarily you know, this isn't the destination where you're at.

960
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: You now you know that there is a mature buck

961
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: in the area, and yeah, it was after shooting hours,

962
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: but there wasn't a sure buck in the area, and

963
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: maybe he was on a dough, locked on a dough,

964
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: and that type of situation, I might be more apt

965
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: to go back in there in the morning if I

966
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: can access it again without spooking deer, because you know,

967
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: at that time of year, if you find a hot

968
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: dough with a buck locked on or there's a great

969
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: chance that they're going to be in that general area

970
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: for for a bit of time. So if you're in

971
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: a travel quarrior or close to a betting area and

972
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 1: you think you can get in there without spooking deer,

973
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: then that is a situation where I would say get

974
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: back in there and stick to it until you know

975
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: you've given that time, that area some decent time, because

976
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: there's a great chance at that type of situation they

977
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: might circle back, or they might be in that general

978
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: area for the next four hours or however long, and

979
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: then you might have an opportunity to call one in

980
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: or or see them coming back through the same spot.

981
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: So I think it all depends on the circumstances, um

982
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: But I think to your point Dan too, what I

983
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, you got to think about your access. You've

984
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: got to think about where's the destination and when are

985
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: they coming through either one of these different spots, and

986
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: how does that all factor into how do you get

987
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: in and out of the stand, And then you know

988
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: what is the reason you're hunting that stand at that

989
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: time of day. So if it's a field edge hunt

990
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: for a morning, a morning sit lots of times the

991
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: deer are gonna be least in many cases are gonna

992
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: be back in the cover before daylight anyways, So that's

993
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: not gonna be a great spot to be anyway. So

994
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: a lot of things to think about, and of course

995
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: is a relatively new hunter, that's something that you haven't

996
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: necessarily had the experience to to think of all these

997
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: different hypotheticals, but hopefully this kind of lays out a

998
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: few of those things to think about. What's the next

999
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: question in I don't have the piece of paper? Can

1000
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: you think of a random Do you have any questions?

1001
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: Have you emailed me questions they haven't answered? Uh? Yeah,

1002
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: Why hasn't money been deposited in my account? Yeah? That

1003
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: comes down to performance on the job, Dan, and were performance?

1004
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: Um man. I'm not gonna make any jokes about that.

1005
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna just gonna move on. We got another

1006
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: question from Nick. Nick says his first question is what's

1007
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: our opinion on flashlights? When entering or exting your stand

1008
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: in the dark? Do you use a bright flashlight, dim flashlight,

1009
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: different colored light, or no light at all? That's our

1010
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: first question from Nick. Flashlights? What do you do? Dan? So,

1011
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: I like to use the red ones, um and the

1012
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: ones that I guess from what my understanding? Do you

1013
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: have trouble seeing that or they're not spooked by it?

1014
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: Kind of like on some of these traike cameras that

1015
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: we have today, where it's a red flash and a

1016
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: deer necessarily aren't effected, aren't affected by it, I guess. However, Um,

1017
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: there are some uh, access routes that I take that

1018
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: I need. I need some light to get into, So

1019
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: whenever possible, I point my flashlight or my head lamp

1020
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: straight down at my feet. And what this does is

1021
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: the timber it casts less shadows. So if you have

1022
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: your flashlight pointing straight down and try to keep it

1023
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: just aimed at your feet and that there's no kind

1024
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: of side glow to it, dear, deer will pick up on,

1025
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, the shadows that are kind of Will they

1026
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: be spooked by it? I don't know. Just depends on

1027
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 1: what kind of property you're hunting. Um, But I always

1028
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: try to have my flashlights straight down. I mean, for

1029
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: some of my access routes. Like I said, it's a necessity.

1030
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: I have to have some kind of artificial light going

1031
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: into my tree stands. Yeah, yeah, I think I echo

1032
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: a lot of what you said there. I always use

1033
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: a red light because, like you said, dear dear, don't

1034
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: have they can't see that wavelength of light. They see

1035
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 1: it as just a dull gray. It doesn't come out red,

1036
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: so it is the least noticeable form of light. That

1037
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: you could use when going in and out. Um. You know,

1038
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: that's why we wear red or orange when hunting with

1039
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: the firearm season, because we can see that, but dear

1040
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: don't see the way we do. So red lights are

1041
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: definitely the best choice when you're getting in and out. UM,

1042
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: But to your point, it needs to be bright enough

1043
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: that you can actually, you know, see, So I've had

1044
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: issues with I've tried a number of different headlamps and

1045
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: they're all like just the red. The red filter on

1046
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: it dims the light so much it makes it tough

1047
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: to utilize. So I've just had to try a lot

1048
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: of different headlamps to try to find one that's actually bright.

1049
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,479
Speaker 1: Some are really great, some are not. I would say,

1050
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: if you are in the market, really pay attention to

1051
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: that and get the highest lumen rated headlamp you can

1052
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 1: get with a red light. UM. I think that's pretty important.

1053
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,479
Speaker 1: So that's my take on it. Nick had a second

1054
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: question though. First Dan it's about nose mmer. He says

1055
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: he used it last year and it worked well, But

1056
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: is it possible to overuse it if you apply it

1057
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: to yourself and your stand every single hunting SEP. Do

1058
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: you think the deal will begin to associate it with

1059
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: hunters or danger, especially if other hunters in your camp

1060
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: are using it. This is something I thought about and

1061
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've got I definitely don't have

1062
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: an official answer on it, but I know you've interviewed

1063
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: the founder of Knows, Jim Or is that right? Yeah,

1064
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: I actually interviewed the guy who came up with the product,

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00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: and UH, if you want to check that out, you

1066
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: can go to the podcast and check that out. But

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00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: from my understanding it it's you know you're gonna have

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00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: to I can't. I'm not gonna try to quote anything,

1069
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: so just go listen to it. But I use it.

1070
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: I've seen great success with it, and UM, as far

1071
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: as overusing it, you can't. According to the guy, you

1072
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: can't overuse it. UM if they start to associate that

1073
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: with danger, I don't think they're going to. But you know,

1074
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: I've used it now for three years and I've definitely

1075
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: seen better success with deer coming from my access point.

1076
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: So all I can say is that I've used it

1077
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: and I believe it works. Yeah, I can't speak to

1078
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: you know whether or not that could happen, and I

1079
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: don't know the science of it. But I mean, I

1080
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: guess if you just think about the fact that you know,

1081
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: here's a stimulus, the stimulus would be a scent or

1082
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: in this case, it's kind of like the ability to

1083
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: not be able to smell. So I think it maybe

1084
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: depends on how what's the actually physiological reaction for dear

1085
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: So you know, in this case, it's just that this

1086
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: like overwhelming scent of like vanilla. I think that jams

1087
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: the roll factory system makes it difficult for them to

1088
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: smell of the things. So if that deer has some

1089
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: type of sensation when it catches a whiff of nose jammer,

1090
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: So that's a stimulus. If that stimulus is consistently associated

1091
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: with a negative stimulus being let's say, seeing a hunter,

1092
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: then after being spooked by hunter, hypothetically I think that

1093
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: could happen. You could they could develop a negative association

1094
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: with that stimulus, but I think that it is much

1095
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: less likely for that to happen. Then the reaction that

1096
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: you get when a deer receives the stimulus of human scent,

1097
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: which is something that's ingrained in them for you know,

1098
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: instinctually from history, knowing that is a dangerous predator for eons,

1099
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 1: and then that is a reinforced behavior over the course

1100
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: of its entire life as it smells that thing from

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00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: every single hunter or human that goes in there, he

1102
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: smells it and then SUSI human or spooked by human,

1103
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: or its mom gets spooked by human or whatever it is.

1104
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: So I think that is a that is one of

1105
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: those things that is is reinforced so much more often

1106
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: than could possibly happen. In your case, with you or

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00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: maybe you and your buddy using nose jammer on a

1108
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: handful of hunts and you know, maybe one of those

1109
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: hunts you spooked deer and they associate it. I think

1110
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: it's much much less likely to happen. Yeah. In the interview,

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00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: the guy basically use this example. If you've ever walked

1112
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: into a pizza store, you know, like a pizza hut

1113
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: or something like that, you open the door and you

1114
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: get this overwhelming smell of pizza so much so that you, yeah,

1115
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: you don't smell anything else. That's what nose gamers doing.

1116
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: But what if you walked into a pizza hut and

1117
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: you've got this overwhelming smell of pizza, and then every

1118
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: time you do that, someone hits you over the head.

1119
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: That's yes, that's your buddy. I mean, then I'd start

1120
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: to be like, holy ship, here comes pizza. Not get

1121
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: me out of here. I better start eating more more Mexican.

1122
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: So I think it. I think it's like hypothetically they

1123
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: could develop a negative association. But I think it, and

1124
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you would have to condition them, yeah,

1125
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: all year round. Yeah, because it's just because that would

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00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: be so much smaller of a percentage of their situations

1127
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: as they have in a smelling human odor and how

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00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: they've been, you know, uh, condition to respond in that case.

1129
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: So interesting question though, It's definitely an interesting hypothetical to

1130
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: you to what you said to I have not seen

1131
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: a negative Um. I've not seen a change in how

1132
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: deer react to nose jammer yet in my hunting situations.

1133
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: And I've used it for two seasons now, so I

1134
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: haven't seen anything negative yet. But I guess, you know,

1135
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: we'll have to continue reporting on that and see if

1136
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: things change or not. I don't know. The only thing

1137
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: that I would consider negative about it is some deer

1138
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: get curious and they want to they follow the scent

1139
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: to your stand and then you got dear, you don't

1140
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: want to kill around your stand, and that can be

1141
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: a big problem. I have had that, and I'm so

1142
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: far it hasn't resulted in me getting busted, but it's

1143
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: gotten me panicking pretty bad. I'm like, oh, please, don't

1144
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: look up here, Please don't look up here. You know,

1145
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: like in a case where if I'm hunting from the

1146
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: sure buck, if I'm out there buck hunting and a

1147
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: bunch of does come through, like I want you just

1148
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: please pass through, don't get spooked. I don't want anything

1149
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: possible to happen that will screw this up. And then

1150
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: they start coming right to your base, basically your tree stand,

1151
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: and then you start getting nervous. So so far it

1152
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: hasn't it has not nip me in the butt yet,

1153
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: but that's a good point. It could happen. Interesting stuff. Nick,

1154
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: Thanks to that question, Chris. Chris is our next question,

1155
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: ask her, and this is I forgot that I include this.

1156
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: Chris says, I believe on one of your podcasts you

1157
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: can't even finish it. I can't even finish it. He said,

1158
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: al Right, I gotta compose myself. He says, I believe

1159
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: on one of your podcasts you mentioned how you have

1160
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: a weird show you need to settle down. You're a professional, Mark,

1161
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm really gonna struggle this, he says. I believe you

1162
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: mentioned that you have a weird shaped head, or that

1163
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 1: your ears sit higher than the first person, causing hats

1164
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: to look completely ridiculous on your head. Well, I have

1165
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: the exact same problem. I wanted to know if any

1166
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: of them laughing at a listener, so he wants to

1167
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: know if any of the wired Hunt hats fit in

1168
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: my head. If so, would they work for him only

1169
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: if they're flat build, right, Mark? Oh no, the flat

1170
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: built hats look ridiculous on me. They look ridiculous. The

1171
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: hats that fit my weird shape had the best are

1172
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: are the flux fit wired Hunt hats. Those look I

1173
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: think they look good at me, and my wife's doesn't

1174
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: look good at me. So those are the ones that

1175
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: will work for your head, buddy. I apologize that you

1176
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: have the same issue that I do, Chris, and that

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01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: we're laughing at your at your physical attribus. We're laughing

1178
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: with him because I can. I'm right there in the

1179
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: same boat. This is this is my issue too. It's

1180
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: true though, I buy a lot of hats and the

1181
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: stupid things are way too high and I look ridiculous.

1182
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 1: So there's that problem solved. Buy a wired to Hunt hat,

1183
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: Wired Hunt flex fit hat. That's the one so now,

1184
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: and that's a weird Hunt dot com slash shop. You'll

1185
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: find this hat now. Now. My question, you still owe

1186
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: me a cameo hat? I do, Well, you never said

1187
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: you were going to give me one, but I want one.

1188
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: If you want one, I will send you one. I

1189
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: just text me so I remember and us ship it

1190
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: out to you. Buddy. You're definitely deserving hashtag co host benefits.

1191
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: There you go, Chris. You know that was Chris's question.

1192
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: Eli Eli has another question unrelated to head sizes or

1193
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: hats or anything like that. Here we go, all right.

1194
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: My question is that I've been contemplating starting my own

1195
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: blog for a couple of years, but I haven't because

1196
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: I've been scared to put out my real name and

1197
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: trail camera photos of the deer on our family property.

1198
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: Reasons being the area that I live in isn't necessarily

1199
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: a big buck area, but our neighbors and us have

1200
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: been able to take some nice deer in the past

1201
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: few seasons. So have you so mer, You or me

1202
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: Dan have we noticed any strange activities around our hunting

1203
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: properties or poaching. I know it's the worst case scenario,

1204
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: but I do get paranoia every October about poachers. Some

1205
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: of our land is easily shined from the roads and

1206
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: areas that can't be seen from any houses. Am I

1207
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: being too scared or entrusting of people? What do you think? Dan?

1208
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: Do you worry about that? All? I? In a way?

1209
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: I do? Um. I share, I've shared, shared, I've shared

1210
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: pictures in the past and have gotten messages from people

1211
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: with trail camera pictures of the same buck, so they know, Yeah,

1212
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: they know where I hunt. Now, Um, I mean it's

1213
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: not it's not a real secret where I hunt. I

1214
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: not gonna go out. Why don't you just come right

1215
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: out and come right out and tell us, Danny, where

1216
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: do you hunt? I hunt only with high fence outfitters. Oh,

1217
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: there you go. You just we're gonna get so many

1218
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: nasty emails now, thirty a hunt, that's how much I

1219
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: spend for n that's all assume. Let me see your

1220
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: pictures right, high fence all the way, that's all I do.

1221
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: I don't own any I don't own any property or

1222
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: or hunt private ground there's a there's this there's this

1223
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: little app Dan called Clamor that allows you to take

1224
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: snippets of a podcast and share on social media. And

1225
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna snipet that one line there where Dan

1226
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: Johnson says I only hunt high fences and I spent

1227
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to share that everywhere. Yeah, that'll do it.

1228
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: But as far as a blog is concerned, hey, man,

1229
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: if you don't if you don't feel comfortable, if you

1230
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: feel that your message is positive and it's gonna help

1231
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: others or whatever, your goal of your blog blog is

1232
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: use a pen name. That's fine. Writers have been doing

1233
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: it for years. Um, yeah, there's that. It's a good idea.

1234
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: Or I mean, or just be careful about how much

1235
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: you're putting out there. Um, I mean, I definitely thought

1236
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: about it and had my concerns. But at the same

1237
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: to your point, in the long run, I think, you know,

1238
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,439
Speaker 1: the benefits, hopefully the larger benefit of me sharing these

1239
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: stories and pictures and lessons learned whatever. I think that

1240
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: the greater good is more important than the potential chance

1241
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: of maybe somehow this negatively impacting my own hunting. Um

1242
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: So that's been my own take on it. But I

1243
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: definitely am careful about it. I mean, it's unfortunately we

1244
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: have to be, but it's just a reality of the

1245
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: world we live in now. So you know, I don't

1246
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: give I don't share details of specific places where I hunt,

1247
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: specific locations, particular parts of a county, or anything that

1248
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go that detailed. Um uh So that

1249
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: kind of thing I think is is is okay to

1250
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: keep to yourself, and I think people understand that. Um

1251
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: But you're gonna have to see your on your own.

1252
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: It can be totally dependent and different on different situations,

1253
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: and it's hard to say exactly what that could be

1254
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: in your case. Amen. Alright, So before we get to

1255
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: our next question, we're going to pause briefly for word

1256
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: from our sponsors of this podcast episode, the White Tail

1257
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: Institute of North America, and today John Cooner from White

1258
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: Tail Institute is sharing with us some important information about

1259
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: using herbicides to deal with weeds in our food plots,

1260
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: and specifically the importance of understand the difference between selective

1261
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: and non selective herbicides. So if you're a food plotter

1262
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: or want to be someday, listen up. Sure some herbicides

1263
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: like glyphosate which is the active ingredient and round up

1264
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: brand herbicides, and there are also some generics out there

1265
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: and other brand names. You can tell by looking at

1266
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: the label. It will you always look at the label.

1267
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: It will tell you what the active ingredient is. If

1268
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: you look down there and it just says glypho state

1269
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: that's a very common non selective herbicide. Non selective means

1270
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't select whatever it touches, it's gonna damage it

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Speaker 1: or kill it. Selective herbicides what we'll be back up.

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01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: The non selectives. A lot of them, not all of

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01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: them are great for helping you prepare a seedbed if

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01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: you've got a really really bad fallow site with a

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01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: lot of weeds. Weeds are There are also other ones

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01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: that can help depending on what you have, but the

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01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: weight times are longer, so's just two four D tricloppier. Uh.

1278
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: Those can be useful in some cases, but by and large,

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01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: Life says the only one you need. It's gonna like

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01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: a seven day weight period and you're good to go. Um.

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01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: The selective herbicides are not four seedbed prep They're designed

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01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: to select, to select certain things and hurt them and

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01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: not hurt the other ones. So you want to our

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01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: arrest my action slave. For instance, our selective herbicides, you

1285
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: can use. The slay is labeled for use in any clover,

1286
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: in any alf alpha. You can use the arrest Max

1287
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: on any of our perennials, but they will. The label

1288
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: will tell you you what plants the herbicide won't hurt

1289
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: and what plants it will. And that's what you want

1290
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: to do, is get the right one for that particular

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01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: forward staying you're trying to maintain. All right, Well, if

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01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: you'd like to learn more about herbicides or anything else

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01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: food plot related, visit Whitetail Institute dot com. And now

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01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: back to our next question, Corey asks a question of

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01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: me in you. Corey says, I own a sixteen acre

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01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 1: piece of timber that has some hills and valleys, and

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01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: it sounds like this sixteen acre piece of timber is

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Speaker 1: part of a larger two fifty acre woods in southern Illinois.

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01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: He says he's only been hunting about sixty years or so.

1300
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: I'm still learning and doing lots of trial and errow work.

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01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: My ground is decent, but I've only seen one mature

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01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: block on the property and have shot a few doughs.

1303
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: Only one other person and myself bow hunt the entire

1304
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: two acre area. As far as I know, there are

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01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: some shotgun hunters. They're during the firearm season. I was

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01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: wanting to plant a small food plot of some sort

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01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: on or near an old logging road to how to

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01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: get more dear into my area. Ah. He mentioned he's

1309
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: got some good oat trees and for simmons and a

1310
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: decent bedding area. But I'm just not seeing the deer activity.

1311
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: I think I should be any thoughts if a food

1312
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: plot would help my situation or any other kind of

1313
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: habit have improvement. So it sounds like he's got a

1314
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: sixteen acre piece of timber as part of a larger

1315
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: two or fifty acre woods. He's not seeing a lot

1316
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: of mature bucks. Would a food plot or a food

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01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: source or something like that help. I'll let you. I'll

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01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: let you go in this direction. Okay, Yeah, I have

1319
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: done a little more habitat work. Um, And so I

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01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 1: think it when you're when you're looking at a property

1321
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: and how can you improve a property? How can improve

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01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: the habitat on a property? You want to look at

1323
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: a couple of things, and the first thing is looking

1324
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: at Okay, what does my property offer right now? And

1325
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: what does the surrounding area offer right now? So look

1326
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 1: at the big picture. So on your property, think about

1327
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,759
Speaker 1: you know what the dear need. Dear need food, water,

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01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: cover and safety from humans, pressure, places to get away

1329
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: from human hunting, pressu room. So if your property is

1330
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: lacking any of those things, that could be one of

1331
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: the reasons why you're not seeing more dear in your property.

1332
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 1: Or it might be that the property around you has

1333
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: much better options in regards to those four factors. So

1334
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: think about that, find out where trying to find where

1335
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: the gap is. So in this case, since you don't

1336
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: have a huge property, you've got only sixteen acres to

1337
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: work with, you need to be pretty targeted with what

1338
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: type of improvement you try to add. So if you

1339
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: look around the surrounding area, let's just say that this

1340
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: two acres of timber have very poor food in them.

1341
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: Let's say it's just all tall, mature hardwoods, so very

1342
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: little sunlight is getting down to the ground, and maybe

1343
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of crop fields around you. Now

1344
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: you did say your southern Illinois, so it's probably a

1345
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 1: lot of egg um. But let's just say and hypothetical

1346
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: that there's not a ton of great food in that

1347
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: small area because of all this timber. In that case,

1348
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: then yeah, it might make a lot of sense to

1349
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: put in a bunch of or some type of food

1350
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: plot that's very attractive and different than the food sources

1351
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: around you, because that's that unique factor that you can

1352
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: provide in that area to pulland deer. On the other hand,

1353
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,759
Speaker 1: maybe let's say that all that timber is relatively new timber,

1354
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: there's lots of cuts in the timber, and there's food

1355
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: plots in it from the neighbors, or there's just lots

1356
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: of underground underbrush and lots of food and there's tons

1357
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: of egg fields all around you. Maybe food isn't the

1358
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: issue in your area. So let's say that you do

1359
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,719
Speaker 1: this kind of audit and you see that actually, really

1360
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: good cover is the biggest lack, is the greatest factor

1361
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: that's lacking in that case, Then the smarter thing, I

1362
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: think in many cases, would be to improve the cover

1363
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 1: on your property and provide that unique thing on your

1364
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: place there. So try to find what's missing around you

1365
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: and provide that on your farm. And I think that

1366
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: is a good starting point for how to make a

1367
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: decision about what kinds of habitat improvements can make the

1368
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: biggest difference on a place like sixteen acres. You might

1369
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: not be able to do everything, So being smart about

1370
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: your one habitat improvement or two habitat improvements that you

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01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: can make is I think the way to go now

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01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 1: that's that it's it's hard to go wrong with some

1373
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: kind of food plot. So I would just think long

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01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: and hard about, Okay, where the dear bedded, where they're

1375
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 1: coming from, trying to relegate as much of your property

1376
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: too dear as possible, because you can very easily overhunt

1377
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: a sixteen acre parcel um, so I would be careful

1378
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: to try to not overhunt it and be strategic about

1379
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: where you place that food plot so that as much

1380
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: of the property is not impacted when you hunt, and

1381
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: that when you do hunt, you've got a high probability

1382
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: that deer will be moving into that area, checking out

1383
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: that food plot and giving a shop. So that's kind

1384
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: of my my high level thought process when thinking through

1385
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: a question like that. Definitely a food plot definitely could

1386
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: be helpful, but do that audit first, right, any anything

1387
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: else you would add to that day. You know, I'm

1388
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 1: getting ready to start planning my very first food plot

1389
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: this year, and it's gonna be probably a half acre, um,

1390
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: maybe somewhere around there, if I had to guess. And um,

1391
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,719
Speaker 1: it's on a small piece of property. It's fifteen acres.

1392
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is, you gotta know what

1393
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna plan because small food plots mean that in

1394
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: depending on what kind of deer n city do you have,

1395
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: they could wipe out if it's not the right food plot.

1396
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: So and you know, if if food is not the problem,

1397
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: like Mark said, you gotta there's other things to do,

1398
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: like make your property a thick, nasty mess, if that's

1399
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: an option for you, and create more betting. So yeah,

1400
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: have you, Um, I can't remember have you decided? We did?

1401
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: We have talked about it, I can't remember we talked

1402
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: about on air. Have you decided officially what you want

1403
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: to plant in that food plot? And I know for sure, Um,

1404
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: there's gonna be Braska's in it, But I'm not sure

1405
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: what else I'm gonna put in there. I might do

1406
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: a little mix. And I think I heard you mentioned

1407
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: and everybody else is saying some kind of oats with

1408
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: Braska so they got something for the you know, middle

1409
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: of the season that you're mid October, and then you

1410
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: get they got something for UM late season two. Yeah. Yeah,

1411
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: that that is exactly my what I really like to

1412
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: use in my area. And I when people ask about

1413
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: what to plant for food plots, you know, I think

1414
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: they mentioned grant and Bill mentioned it and lead to

1415
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 1: I think in our hundredth episode, but echoed again, there's

1416
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: no one size fits all food plot prescription. It's always

1417
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: gonna be depending on your area and your soil and

1418
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 1: all sorts of different circumstances. But in my circumstances, and

1419
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: it sounds like you've got there too, that type of

1420
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: combination of oats and Brasca's really is a dynamite combo

1421
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 1: for that full season activity, because, like you mentioned, the

1422
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: oats will have them in there in October and November,

1423
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 1: and then the Braskas will have them there, and then

1424
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,879
Speaker 1: we'll have them in there from November through December January. UM.

1425
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 1: One tip I'll give you, Dan what I like to

1426
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: do when planting those two things is I do not

1427
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: mix them all together. I instead split the food plot

1428
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: in half. And the reason why I do that is

1429
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: because brassicas and most crops in general should not be

1430
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: planted in the same area over and over and over again.

1431
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: With brassicas, um, I believe the literature says that you

1432
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: should not plant Braska's in the same section more than

1433
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: three years in a row. So what you want to

1434
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 1: do is you want to rotate those crops. So what

1435
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: I do is, even on like a half acre food plot,

1436
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: I split that half acre down the middle, plant oats

1437
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: on the on the left side, braskas on the right side,

1438
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: and then every year flip flop them so I can

1439
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: still plant the same thing that plot. It's just different

1440
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: sides over and over. Um. So that's one one easy

1441
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: way to be able to rotate your crowd but still

1442
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: keep that same great mix of of forage in the

1443
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 1: same area, right, makes sense? Yeah? Um. So I'm looking

1444
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: through some of these other questions we have here. I

1445
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: got a question from Charles Um and we kind of

1446
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: already spoke to it, but I'm going to, well, let

1447
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: me see here, Well, maybe we can speak to it

1448
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: just a little more. Charles says, my question for you

1449
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: involves using trail cameras to pattern a specific buck excuse me,

1450
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: and the frequency in which you check those cameras. I

1451
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:48,600
Speaker 1: really feel like I could be utilizing my cameras a

1452
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: lot better in season, and I plan on using the

1453
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: tactics similar to what Bill Winki uses, but with a

1454
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: combination of hip boots, rain pants and sent control to

1455
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: reduce my residual scent when I'm checking my cameras. Any

1456
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: input on location of cameras and check frequency would be appreciated.

1457
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: So we talked about this a little bit, But just

1458
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: in this specific instance, do you want to add anything

1459
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: more when it comes to how we are trying to

1460
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: keep pressure low with our cameras, where we're putting them,

1461
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: how we're checking them, our sent control related to that,

1462
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: or anything else related to that topic. Damn. I mean

1463
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: all I do is where rubber boots when I UM

1464
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: go to check my trail camera, and sometimes even I

1465
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: even don't do that. So my frequency UM on my property,

1466
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: my main hunting property is about once a month UM

1467
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: in the summertime during the season. It just depends on

1468
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: if I'm hunting that weekend or not, or you know,

1469
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: during the rut. Obviously you're checking your trail cameras a

1470
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,640
Speaker 1: little bit more. If your goal is to harvest a

1471
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 1: specific deer. But other than that, I mean, you have

1472
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: to know that your dear are they spooked easily? Can

1473
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: you get away with, you know, going into your camera

1474
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 1: set and potentially busting one, or you know, are your

1475
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: dear high pressured for you know, I got one piece

1476
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: of property where I can I could probably check my

1477
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: trail cameras every day if I wanted to, and the

1478
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: deer are used to human activity. And then I got

1479
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: other piece of property where I kind of gotta be

1480
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: careful and luckily that property is a long ways for me,

1481
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: and um, you know, once a month isn't gonna bother them.

1482
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,919
Speaker 1: That's a great point. It's very situation and regions specific

1483
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 1: based on you know, like you said, how your dear

1484
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: react to pressure. So in a place like Michigan, I'm

1485
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: super careful about it because there's so much hunting pressure

1486
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: versus when I hunt in Iowa or something where there's

1487
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 1: slightly less pressure. Maybe in that certain area hunting, I

1488
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: can be a little bit more aggressive. Um, but you know,

1489
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: I go a couple of things that you mentioned, Dan

1490
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: and some stuff I mentioned earlier. I do try to

1491
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: take send control into account every time I'm checking cameras Um.

1492
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: So if I'm not already going into hunt which, like

1493
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: I said, early or most of the time, and I'm

1494
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 1: checking cameras during the season, it's going to be in

1495
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: a situation where I'm already passing by because I'm heading

1496
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: into hunts. In that case, I'm already you know, fully

1497
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: sent free as best as possible in my hunting gear, etcetera, etcetera. Um.

1498
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: But if it's a situation where I'm not and I'm

1499
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: going in just to check a camera, I'm wearing rubber boots,

1500
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm sprayed, I've sprayed those down at least, and I'm

1501
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: wearing gloves Levin sprayed down. So if I touch anything

1502
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: when the boots or hands, that's going to not leave

1503
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 1: any super extracent Um. I'm definitely considering wind when I'm

1504
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 1: going into check cameras, so I'm not gonna go check

1505
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 1: a camera and have my wind blow right into a

1506
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: betting area. Um. I'm also thinking about the time of

1507
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:42,839
Speaker 1: the day, so I'm not gonna go check trail cameras

1508
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: early in the morning or late in the evening when

1509
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 1: a lot of deer probably on their feet moving. I'm

1510
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 1: either gonna be um checking those cameras in the middle

1511
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: of the day when those deer betted, assuming I'm in

1512
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 1: a place I'm checking cameras where you know it's not

1513
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: near a betting area, or in some cases, I will

1514
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: drive out to um field edge stands or sorry field

1515
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 1: edge cameras in the middle of the night in my

1516
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: truck or a TV if I know that it's a

1517
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: food source or a field that deer aren't feeding at

1518
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: that time of year. So for example, uh, you know,

1519
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: maybe there's just like a wide woman crp field or

1520
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: something like that that deer just typically aren't going to

1521
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: be in the evening. I know they're out in the

1522
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 1: food sources. Well, in that case, if I'm going to

1523
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: be checking them in the middle of the night, I'll

1524
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 1: go out there in my vehicle. I know there's not

1525
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: gonna be deer out there or very it's not very likely,

1526
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: and I can check those cameras. Um then I guess.

1527
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 1: On that note, like I said earlier, as much as possible,

1528
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: I try to access those by vehicle of some way.

1529
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to be utilizing a bike more this year,

1530
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: and I try to go um by bike because I

1531
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 1: think that's quieter, leaves less scent and then maybe has

1532
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 1: a slightly less of a negative impact on deer too.

1533
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: So that's something I'll be adding to my strategy this

1534
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,560
Speaker 1: year as well. So that's kind of kind of my

1535
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 1: trail camera philosophy. I always air on caution with them.

1536
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 1: I think that that can be beneficial. But like we,

1537
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 1: like we've been talking about, there's definitely a lot of

1538
01:18:57,880 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: risks associated with them too if you if you go

1539
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: too hard at it. So, um, let's see here, Dan,

1540
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: I could do this all day. I'm having fun. This

1541
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: is fun. I like it. It's kind of it's laid back.

1542
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: We can just kind of tackle different topics, and I

1543
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,879
Speaker 1: kind of want to do this more often, so hopefully

1544
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 1: people enjoy listening to it. I guess that could be

1545
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: the one kinking our plan. Um alright, Steve has got

1546
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 1: a question. He says, he I work for a company

1547
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 1: that installs and manages native prairie prairie ecosystems across Minnesota

1548
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 1: and North Dakota. Um, there's a customer in particular, located

1549
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: in northern Dakota who owns a large piece of ground

1550
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: and he's sure that no one has permission to hunt

1551
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: it due to the fact that landowner is very wildlife friendly.

1552
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: With that being said, his question for us is, have

1553
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 1: you ever dealt with landowners like this? Through our years

1554
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: of experience? Have you found in any ways that feel

1555
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: that I feel worked better while asking for permission to

1556
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,640
Speaker 1: access a piece of land hunt. So I think the

1557
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 1: question here, Dan is number one advice for asking for permission,

1558
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:03,799
Speaker 1: and then number two what to do in a situation

1559
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 1: where the landowner seems very wildlife friendly. So maybe they're

1560
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: not pro hunting, maybe not necessarily against it, but they

1561
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: very much like their animals. So I'm going to give

1562
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: you almost the I have an example for this question

1563
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: that is pretty spot on, similar to the question that

1564
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: you asked. So I saw that all these deer were

1565
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 1: piling out of this one particular piece of property, and

1566
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: I asked, you know a neighboring landowner, Hey, does this

1567
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: lady let anybody hunt in her property? And they're like, no,

1568
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: she doesn't. Well, I went and talked to her, come

1569
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 1: to find out, and that this is not a joke.

1570
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: She felt that the white tailed dough was her animal

1571
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: spirit and that she did not want to have any

1572
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 1: animals harmed on her property. And it wasn't that she

1573
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: was against hunting. She was just against that her animal spirit,

1574
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 1: her dough, you know, does would be harmed by hunters.

1575
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: And I said what about bucks? And she's like, well,

1576
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, I really don't know. And I said, okay,

1577
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: so I this is how I started. I asked her

1578
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 1: for permission to shed hunt it, and I found the

1579
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 1: shed off of her property and I gave her the

1580
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: shed and I said, you know this, I kind of

1581
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:33,600
Speaker 1: bullshited with her a little bit, and I was like,

1582
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: I feel that my Indian spirit is white No, this

1583
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: is not a joke. I feel that my indeed spirit,

1584
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: or my my my animal spirit is a white tail.

1585
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 1: And in a way I kind of do. It's kind

1586
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: of cool. You know. It's like, if you could be

1587
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: any animal, what would you be. I'd want to be

1588
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: a giant white tail, right, I think? So I'd be

1589
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,759
Speaker 1: a wolf. I would eat you. Yeah, right, My auntwers

1590
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: would be so big. I just go quick and just

1591
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 1: I puncture your your lungs and you can't the power

1592
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: of the pack. You would try to puncture my lungs

1593
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: and my buddy would get it from behind. So that's

1594
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 1: assuming Corey Fall is also a wolf. Yeah. Anyway, spirit animals.

1595
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: Back back to the story, I give her the shed

1596
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: antler and I, you know, it was like here you go.

1597
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:25,759
Speaker 1: You know this is I found this off. Your property

1598
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 1: has a lot of meaning. You know you should And

1599
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 1: she's like that is awesome, and she let me hunt it.

1600
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: I only got to hunt it one year before she

1601
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 1: sold it, but I was the only hunter to hunt

1602
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 1: that property. And that particular year was the year I

1603
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: saw giants come in and out of that property. And

1604
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:47,639
Speaker 1: uh so it's you know, maybe it's not necessarily that

1605
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 1: they're against hunting, but they may have had some bad

1606
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: experiences in the past, so you should definitely approach it.

1607
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: And you kind of have to be a salesman, right,

1608
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 1: you kind of have to tell them what they want

1609
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 1: to hear. Um because I only hunt with a bow.

1610
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm not going to be in there

1611
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,759
Speaker 1: making a lot of noise. I'm stealth, I'm a ninja.

1612
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:12,719
Speaker 1: You know you're you're I don't know, you're you're making

1613
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: a low impact. If they're still hardcore no like I

1614
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: have other you know, places where they're not necessarily nature lovers,

1615
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: but they just don't want anybody on their property. I

1616
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 1: knocked on every door of every property that bordered that

1617
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 1: piece of property and would gain access to that property

1618
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,719
Speaker 1: of the deer coming and going off of it. So

1619
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: there's definitely options. Yeah, I had agree with a lot

1620
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: you said that. I think the most important thing is

1621
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: that you need to, Um, you need to try to

1622
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: develop a relationship and put the best foot forward as

1623
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 1: to how and who you are as a hunter, how

1624
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:56,719
Speaker 1: you hunt, and who you are as a hunter, and

1625
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 1: hopefully position that in such a way and prove that's

1626
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: true that you are you know, not maybe whatever they have,

1627
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,799
Speaker 1: if they have some type of negative stereotype about hunters,

1628
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: or at least in such a way that they will

1629
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: know that you will respect the wildlife and appreciate the

1630
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: wildlife just as they do. Um, you just go about,

1631
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, interacting with it in a different way. UM.

1632
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: So I think it's I think it starts with trying

1633
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: to you know, start that conversation and seeing where it

1634
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: goes and if you can build some kind of relationship there. Um.

1635
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's a terrific thing. Like in your case, Dan,

1636
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 1: you got shed hunting permission. I think that's a great

1637
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 1: way to try to start some type of relationship and

1638
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 1: some kind of conversation and then just be, you know,

1639
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 1: just be very cognizant of the fact that they might

1640
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 1: be more sensitive to how we talk about some of

1641
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: these things or how we interact with them. And I

1642
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 1: think in many cases, if this is someone who's not

1643
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 1: straight up anti hunting, but just you know, very much

1644
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: pro wildlife, maybe you'll have an opportunity to start having

1645
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: a discussion about why you hunt and and you know,

1646
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: how you appreciate wildlife and all these things, and show

1647
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 1: the fact that you've got a similar value system to

1648
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: them as well. Um And in those cases you might

1649
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 1: be find an opportunity to actually get in there if

1650
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 1: if you can, if you can highlight these things in

1651
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: a positive manner. So I would say that that's kind

1652
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: of how I approach it. I like your ideas. I've

1653
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: never tried the spirit animal thing, but I'm gonna keep

1654
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 1: that in my back pocket just in case. Another I mean,

1655
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 1: another thing that you you kind of gotta look at

1656
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 1: is I have two particular pieces of property where I

1657
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 1: shouldn't say I don't have them yet, But excuse me.

1658
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 1: One second, my fly spirit flew down my throat. I

1659
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 1: hate it when they do that. I'm sorry Mark anyway,

1660
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 1: Oh man Tickle, you can edit this out if you want. No.

1661
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:49,639
Speaker 1: I love I love it, you love it. Um. I've

1662
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: I have one property that this summer will be the

1663
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 1: eighth year in a row that I asked permission to

1664
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 1: hunt their property and they have told me no seven

1665
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: years in a row. And the hunting, I know there's

1666
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: giant deer in there. Uh betting is awesome based off

1667
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 1: of maps and the one time they did let me

1668
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 1: shed hunt the property. I will ask again this year

1669
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 1: and more than likely they're gonna tell me no. But

1670
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: if I ask this year and they say yes, watch out,

1671
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 1: it'll all be worth it. Yeah, it'll all be worth it.

1672
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:26,639
Speaker 1: And I got another property where it's been four years

1673
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 1: in a row that they've told me no, and it's

1674
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 1: almost to the point where oh you again, you know,

1675
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 1: like in a good way, it's like And then we

1676
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 1: sit and we talked for a while, talk about their

1677
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 1: farming and cattle and crops and just about everything. Because

1678
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: he's a shotgun hunter and he only shotgun hunts and

1679
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 1: uh so he hunts maybe three days a year and

1680
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,839
Speaker 1: uh doesn't do anything else on the property. Another awesome

1681
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 1: piece that you know, just sometimes these things take time,

1682
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: and once you're in, you're in and they'll let you

1683
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. Yeah. I think that's whether it

1684
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 1: be a situation like that or some other way of

1685
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 1: going about it, just I think relationships and the most

1686
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: important thing helping someone build trusting you. So if that's

1687
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 1: every every you stop in, say hi and ask or

1688
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: whatever it is. By finding ways to help people build

1689
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: trusting you and get to know you, you significantly increase

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01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 1: your chances that they might be willing to let you hunt.

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01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:26,759
Speaker 1: And so anything you can do along those lines is helpful.

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01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 1: And I think, Dan, I think with that, we're gonna

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01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 1: wrap it up. Can I ask you a question? Yeah,

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01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:38,919
Speaker 1: please ask you a question. Are you super jack pumped

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01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 1: for this upcoming Dear season? Oh? Man, I am. I am.

1696
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 1: I am super jackpumped. And I'm struggling, like I've got

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01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: like summer slash fall itis, Like I'm just sick of

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01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 1: the spring, I'm sick of the office. I just need

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01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: to get outside and do stuff. I'm ready to hunt,

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01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 1: I'm ready to fish. I'm ready to just adventure. I

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01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: just want to like load up and truck and take

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01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 1: off and like not come back to the desk for months.

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01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: I already got already got velvet trail camera pictures, so

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01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:14,839
Speaker 1: I'm super jack pumped. There's that. That's awesome. Yeah, I'll

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01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: be putting up cameras in Ohio this weekend, so that'll

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01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: get me excited. And every time I go down there,

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01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 1: I just get all all tingly and worked up because

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01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 1: that's just a special place. So that'll be fun. And uh,

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01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, one bummer of a thing is that you know,

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01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,719
Speaker 1: I used to have every year and May DVDs would

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01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 1: come out from like Real Tree and Dury Outdoors and stuff,

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01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 1: and that was like a little way to get that

1713
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: deer fix in May when hunting seasons still so far away,

1714
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: Like me and a bunch of buddies would get pizza

1715
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 1: and watch the movies and stuff a couple of nights,

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01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:47,759
Speaker 1: and that was just kind of fun. But juries aren't

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01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: producing DVDs anymore, and I don't know about Real Tree

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01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 1: and any of these other guys. DVDs are kind of

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01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: going the way in the past, so I don't know

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01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 1: if we're gonna have those we call him Hornporn. I

1721
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 1: don't know if we have hornporn nights anymore. Yeah, so uh,

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01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 1: I want to find some other way to to get

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01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: our kicks, I suppose, but real important. No, let's let's

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01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,600
Speaker 1: let's avoid that. Let's avoid that on this podcast is

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01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: a pg PG show. No it's not. I suppose. I'll

1726
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: agree to that. I'll agree to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 1: We're family friendly for the most part. Get your kids

1728
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,679
Speaker 1: out hunting right and don't let them listen to Dan

1729
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: too often. Just small doses, small doses. Any final thoughts

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01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 1: Dan before we wrap this up other than that, No, man,

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01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 1: I hope everybody has a great weekend. That's what I

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01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 1: want to say. All right, I'm right there with you.

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01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: And with that, we will wrap this show up. But

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01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 1: just a couple of quick reminders before we shut it down. First,

1735
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,600
Speaker 1: be sure to check out the One Wild podcast that

1736
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 1: we've just recently launched with the Drewy Outdoors. We've got

1737
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 1: two episodes out already and another one to come soon,

1738
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 1: so be sure to subscribe to that a SAP, and

1739
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:03,959
Speaker 1: if you happen to be doing that over on iTunes,

1740
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 1: please take a second to give us a rating or

1741
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:09,679
Speaker 1: review for this podcast as well. It's a huge help.

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01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 1: Thank you, And speaking of thanks, we also need to

1743
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 1: thank our partners who helped make this podcast possible. So

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01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 1: big thank you to sick A Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery,

1745
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 1: Redneck Blinds, Untera Maps, Ozonics, Carbon Express, Maven Optics, and

1746
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 1: the White Tail Institute of North America. And finally, thank

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01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 1: you all for joining us. I appreciate your time and

1748
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: I hope we got to answer a few of your

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01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:37,759
Speaker 1: questions today. And until next time, stay Wired to Hunt.