1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Skulls Stories, presented by three M, the official 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: science partner in the Minnesota Vikings. Tonight we're joined by 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: one of the fifty greatest Vikings, a Madrashot. 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: Thanks again for tuning in to another episode of school Stories. 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: Tonight's guest is one of our favorite Viking legends. He's 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: the wide receiver with the knack for the big play. 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: He was a four time pro bowler, a Ring of 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: Honor member, and my old co host on Rosen Sports Sunday. 9 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: Please enjoy tonight's conversation with the one and only A Madrashod. Well, mom, 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining the show. How in the 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 2: world are we both in our early seventies When it 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: was just yesterday we were hanging out at the Loon 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: Cafe and Sunday nights after doing we shot a Rosen 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: Report and we were in our early thirties. When did 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: that happen? My god? 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: Well, I stopped counting up to thirty nine. Okay, here 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: in your seventies. I'm thirty nine. 18 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: I'd like to hear that. So it's all attitude. 19 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. 20 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: But man, that the years half flown by, haven't they? They? 21 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: Feel is it to feel that way to you? 22 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 3: Well, you know, but you know, Mark, you and I 23 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 3: it was the beginning, you know, it was the beginning 24 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: of something else. I mean, we we really, I really 25 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 3: when I look back on and I appreciate the time 26 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: that you took with me to try to get me 27 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 3: into the same broadcasting thing and a chance to do 28 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: all the things that we did every single week. And 29 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: when I look back at we had a lot of fun, man, 30 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 3: a lot. 31 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: Of fun, did we. Ever? You didn't know how to 32 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: type though, either, so that was always a challenge. 33 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. You had to type the type 34 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: of script that I couldn't type at all. And then 35 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 3: we went on the air. 36 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: We never used it, no, of course, not didn't even 37 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: have printers back. 38 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: Then, all god, no, no, it was all manual typewriters basically. 39 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, we had we had a printer. It was him. 40 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: It was rosy. Oh my god. 41 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: So, mide, is that kind of the what's the kind 42 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: of the secret to daying young? 43 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: Then? Right? 44 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: I mean with you had career in the football and 45 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: then you know going in the media, what's kept you 46 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: what's kept you young over this time? Or what do 47 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: you think to see. 48 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 3: I think the way you approach life, you know, I 49 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 3: don't feel any change, and it's not like it's like yeah, 50 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: back then down a change and then it went through this. 51 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 3: Every day is a wonderful day, and every day was 52 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: a wonderful day. And I try to just live every day. 53 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 3: And you know, it's about living today and tomorrow and 54 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: not yesterday. But you know, when I look back, what 55 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: a wonderful, blessed time that I had, just with the 56 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: chance of playing in Minnesota, because Minnesota is where everything 57 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: came together for me. 58 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: Well how did that happen? It just refresh the fans' 59 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: memory about coming to the Vikings in seventy six. You 60 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 2: were with the Seattle Seahawks. Was Bob Lertzima involved in 61 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: that trade? 62 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: He likes to say that, but I didn't know. 63 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: Didn't either. 64 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, he likes to say that, But I don't think 65 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: that it. 66 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: Was a trick the trade. 67 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 3: No. No, I didn't even know who he was. First 68 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 3: of all. 69 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: Most people still don't know. You remind you, Yeah, what 70 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: were your first impressions of coming to the Vikings. 71 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I remember it, I remember very very well. 72 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: I had I had torn up my knee in Minnesota, 73 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: my I mean in Buffalo my second year and then 74 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 3: signed with Seattle. And when I got to Seattle, I 75 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: never got to play. I never you know, they didn't 76 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 3: really put me in or anything. And it was also 77 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: during the name change when I had changed my name, 78 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 3: and it was all kind of weird kind of stuff 79 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: like that. And I remember they had a preseason game 80 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: and I remember the coach came over and told me 81 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: that I wasn't going to the game. You know, I 82 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 3: could stay at training camp or wherever it was, but 83 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: I wasn't going to the game. So when he came back, 84 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: he called me in and he goes, I got some 85 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: good news and some bad news. So I said, so 86 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 3: give me the bad news. He said, well, the bad 87 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: news is that we just traded you to Minnesota. And 88 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: I said, Minnesota with Fran talking and the Minnesota Vikings. 89 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 3: You're trading me from Seattle to Minnesota with Fran Tarking 90 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: and the quarterback and the Minnesota Vikings that win all 91 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: the time. So I said, so, then, what the hell 92 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: is the bad news? Like, I'll never forget that, and 93 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 3: I just got up and walked out. I was so excited. 94 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: I was so excited about going to Minnesota because I 95 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: had Frand and I had become friend. We were at 96 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 3: some sort of event when I was playing for Buffalo 97 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 3: and we ended up sitting outside of it for a 98 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: couple of hours just talking back and forth about all 99 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 3: kinds of stuff, you know, a different kinds of thing. 100 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: We really had a wonderful relationship that we built. And 101 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: then I think that when I played for Saint Louis, 102 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 3: we played Minnesota and I had a really good game 103 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: up there. Ed Mayer and Narrow was a good friend 104 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: of mine coming out of college, and you know, when 105 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 3: he went to Minnesota, which was great because he went 106 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: to straight the Super Bowls, you know, and I went 107 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 3: to Saint Louis. But now I had played against him 108 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: at that time in Minnesota. And then as it kept 109 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: going around, is when Fran and I were talking and 110 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 3: it was just kind of like, yeah, one day, I 111 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 3: hope maybe we'll get a chance to play with each other. 112 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: And then that just went on and the biggest day 113 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: in my whole football career was when I got traded 114 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 3: to Minnesota, and Bud Grant was happy to have me. 115 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: Uh you know, uh, Fran was just but you know, 116 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 3: what so, so wait a minute, here's the other part. 117 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: So I go to Minnesota and it was, uh, it 118 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 3: was my first day there and I got lost driving 119 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 3: to the practice field and so I was late coming there. 120 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: So now all that stuff about here's the guy, he's this, 121 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: he traded, changed his name and all this stuff. We 122 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: trade for him and he comes to practice about an 123 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 3: hour later. I was you know what it did because 124 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 3: Bud didn't even care. He just came and said, hey, 125 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 3: why are you late? I said, I got lost. He goes, 126 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 3: all right, you'll figure out you and that was it. 127 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 3: That means, say anything else, buy that. And then as 128 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: we went to practice, targeting threw me every single pass 129 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 3: you know, when we're practicing everything. I remember Bobby Bryant 130 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: tried to beat me up. It was it was just 131 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 3: really some kind of thing like that. So then I 132 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 3: come in after practice and they called me into the 133 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 3: training room and I'm in a training room and they 134 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: tell me that the trade did not go through. I 135 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 3: didn't pass the physical. I didn't even take a physical. 136 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 3: We didn't pass the physical and they were going to 137 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: send me back. So as I was sitting in the 138 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: in the in the training room, Fran Tarkeeting walked in. 139 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: He goes, what are you doing in here? I said, well, 140 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 3: they just traded me back, and they told me to 141 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: come in here and wait and then they'll clean my 142 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 3: locker out and do this stuff. He said, don't go anywhere, 143 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 3: just stay right there. Now. As Fran went back and 144 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 3: told Bud and the and the general manager I ever 145 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 3: forgot his name, he told the general manager that if 146 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: they sent me back, he was quitting. Wow. Wow, that 147 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 3: was it. He said, you send him out here, I'm quitting. 148 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: I'm done. So so next thing I know, Fran walks 149 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: into the train and goes, hey, man, go put your 150 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: stuff back in the in the locker room. You're not 151 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: going anywhere. And that's where that started off. Now, no 152 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: more negativity at that at all. And Bud was absolutely wonderful. 153 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: Him and I hit it off, like you know, we 154 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 3: hit it off really really well, to the point where 155 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: you know, guys would would would make fun of me 156 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 3: I by calling me Bud Junior because Bud never said 157 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 3: anything to me. And where do you remember that, Mark? Oh? Yeah, 158 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: but was Bud was? Yeah, Bud was my guy and 159 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: I was his guide. I don't know how that went, 160 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: but that we just hit it off, really hit it off. 161 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: You know. 162 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: Bud wasn't the man with a lot of words, but 163 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 3: he would always every day a practice he called me 164 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: over in the corner and he just start talking about 165 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 3: something like hunting, you know, like, hey, I was hunting 166 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 3: and I did this duck hunting or whatever that else. 167 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: Meanwhile everybody's practicing, but he was keeping me. He was 168 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 3: keeping me out of it because it was freezing cold outside. 169 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: So it was it was just a wonderful thing. And 170 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 3: Fran I can't you know, I can't say enough about him, 171 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: how wonderful he was. So it was all it was 172 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: was Fran. It was uh, you know, but Grant. And 173 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: it was the fan. The Minnesota Vikings have the great 174 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: fan back in any place that I've ever fand it's 175 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 3: the best. I enjoyed myself there for all the years 176 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: that I was there. It was you know, it was 177 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: right at the top of my list, I really And 178 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: it was about the people, about the fans and about 179 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: the people. It's a really special place to mind. 180 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: What was it that you guys did from a from 181 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: a act as an OL standpoint football wise that was 182 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: so different You and Fran. You mentioned that relationship, but 183 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: that carried over into what you did on the field, 184 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: did it not, because the running back was utilized and 185 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: it just a different way. 186 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: Well, it was different because Fran and I, you know, 187 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: we would practice different things during the course of the week, 188 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 3: you know, we're all watching. He would say, you know, 189 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: what do you think you can run on these guys? 190 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 3: Or what can you do? This and that and the 191 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 3: other and then whatever it was. His whole thing was 192 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: if you were saying this is what you could do, 193 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: then the inspiration came because you already said you could 194 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: do this, so let's see you do it, you know. 195 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 3: So he was one of those guys that would call 196 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 3: on you and it would be all you. And it worked, 197 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 3: it absolutely work. And he'd say things to you know, 198 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 3: he'd call a play and it'd be like, you know, 199 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 3: fifty two seventy two and them on, give me something 200 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: on the backside. And no matter what I got on 201 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: the ball, you know, I can run an in or 202 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 3: out or up or whatever. It was, all I do 203 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: when I turn around or here it comes the ball. 204 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,599 Speaker 2: Well, in the midst of all that, Jerry Burns was 205 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator too, and that must have been quite 206 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 2: the the comedy routine, but a very very bright, offensive 207 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: mind that Burnsy was. 208 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: He was the absolute best and he got the best 209 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: out of all of us. We got a chance to 210 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 3: do the things that you know that he knew we 211 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 3: could do, and he would all you know. I remember 212 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 3: coming coming off the field sometimes and I'd go, you know, 213 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 3: I have a word with Burns. I said, Burns, if 214 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 3: these guys is doing such and such and that he's 215 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 3: gonna wait, just stop, just get open. And that was 216 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: the end of it. Yeah, that was that was just 217 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: get open, like okay, Well he was you know, he 218 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 3: was great man. He was. It was such a great Uh. 219 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 3: You don't have budd Dreant. They had Buddy Ryan, Betty Ryan. 220 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 3: Buddy Ryan was my inspiration because no matter what I 221 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 3: did in the game, he'd always kept up with me 222 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: and see if you can do that next week, because 223 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: you could do it this week. Hey, that guy you 224 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 3: beat up last week on he's gone. But the guy 225 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: coming this week he's really good. Let's see what you're 226 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 3: gonna do. He did this every every game, and it 227 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 3: was one of these things where I made a point 228 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 3: to sit next to him on the bus on the 229 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 3: way to the game so that we can I could 230 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: get really fired up for him, tell me what I 231 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 3: couldn't do. And he knew it too. You know he 232 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: was doing it on further. He would just poke me 233 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 3: everything with time, like he ain't even catch no passes 234 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 3: this week, you know that that was That was Buddy, 235 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 3: that was Buddy running. He didn't even coach offense. He 236 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 3: was a defensive coach. 237 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: It's it's very h interesting way to motivate doesn't work 238 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: much anymore. I don't think, yeah, you did some you 239 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: you were involved in some playoff games. As the Vikings 240 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: reached the playoffs. You got a quarterback never played in 241 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: a playoff game. What advice would you give or did 242 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: you give to younger guys when they were just starting 243 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: or just getting into their first playoff game. 244 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 3: The game can't be bigger than you. You know, it's 245 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 3: just another game. You'd play the best you can play 246 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 3: in those games. It's not like, you know, it's not 247 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 3: like one of those things where you know you're not 248 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 3: You didn't surprise yourself that you made it to the playoffs. 249 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: You're getting ready to show everybody why you make it 250 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: made it to the playoffs. So it was more of 251 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 3: a you know, getting yourself prepared. And like I said, 252 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 3: in Minnesota, they had been to the team had been 253 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 3: to the playoffs so many years, you know, in advance 254 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 3: of the time I got there, that they were used 255 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: to all that. You know, they had gone to three 256 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 3: Super Bowls, you know, So it was one of those 257 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: things that it became a norm to get ready to 258 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 3: play during that time, as opposed to had become. 259 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: Overwhelming in the meantime as your career progressed, and I 260 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: know you continue to work with us a Channel four 261 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: and doing other things besides our sports show and Sunday nights, 262 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: But you always had it in your mind. I always 263 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: tell people this that you were it was a means 264 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: to an end that you had. You know, you knew 265 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: what there was going to be life after football and 266 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: hardly as lucrative as it is today. But when did 267 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: the national kind of broadcasting bug hit you and you 268 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: knew you wanted to kind of move on not just 269 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: covering football, but to be involved in a different level. 270 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,599 Speaker 3: I think that it was, you know, I think the 271 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 3: way I always looked at football is something I really 272 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 3: loved to do, but it didn't control my whole life, 273 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: you know, and also playing it. I knew that what's 274 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: going to happen at the end of six seven years, 275 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 3: you know, you're still thirty two years old. You got 276 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: the rest of your life to go. So it was, 277 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: you know, when we started doing the things that we 278 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: were doing on the football thing, and you remember that 279 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: I went on and did everything I did high school 280 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: basketball or you know, or track and field or whatever 281 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 3: those things were, because I wanted to be a broadcaster 282 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 3: to do all sports. And then and then having done 283 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: that and getting used to doing things like that, and 284 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 3: also having that foundation that you helped me build, you know, 285 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: I was pretty much confident coming out of there because 286 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 3: I got all the networks came and wanted to hire me. 287 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 3: And it was at a time where I could have 288 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: played five more years probably, but the fact of the matter, 289 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 3: I had everybody giving me an offer, and the only team, 290 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 3: the only network that gave me a chance to do 291 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 3: everything every sport was NBC. ABC asked me if I 292 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 3: would just do football, and CBS wanted me to just 293 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 3: do football, and all these ones that were just doing football. 294 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 3: I knew that that wasn't a career. You know. The 295 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: career is to be able to do every single sport 296 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: and also sit in that other chair right, you know, 297 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: to where you're hosting the thing and they bring in 298 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 3: different athletes and different people to come in, but it's 299 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 3: it's a show that you're putting all the energy in 300 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: and making it go past. And you could do that 301 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 3: for a long time. And that's where that came in, 302 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 3: you know, and I, you know, having having worked with 303 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 3: with you, Marky was one of those things where I 304 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 3: watched you. You know, you did every sport, You did 305 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 3: whatever you want to do. So those are the kind 306 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 3: of things that I wanted to do, and NBC gave 307 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 3: me an opportunity to do them immediately. And I think 308 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 3: everybody was shocked when I said I quit, I'm retiring, 309 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: because Bud was. Budd just came up and said, hey, look, 310 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: you don't even have to come to practice next year, 311 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 3: come back next year, and I just want you to 312 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 3: play in the games. He did all that stuff, and 313 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: then one day I came in there and he took 314 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: my whole uniform in a bag and handed it to me, 315 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 3: said I just want to give this to you now. 316 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 3: You can put it in a trophy room with something 317 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 3: whatever that. 318 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: Hell, yeah, that's special. That is special. It's gotta be 319 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: hard to walk away from that. 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Welcome back 327 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: to tonight's edition of school Stories presented by three M. 328 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: Now let's get back into our conversation with Vikings legend 329 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: a madrashot so mott outside of out with all the 330 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: sports that you've covered, outside of outside of football, which 331 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: one's your favorite? 332 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: And why you. 333 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 3: Know they're all my favorite? Back? You know, well, you 334 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: know basketball, I really enjoyed basketball. I always enjoyed basketball. 335 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 3: But you know, when I look back at the whole career, 336 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: I enjoyed the Olympics. Yeah, the Olympics was really something. 337 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 3: I was a big track guy too, you know during 338 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: that time, So it was I was very fortunate to 339 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: be able to be at NBC where I ended up 340 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: doing four Olympics, and then also you know the fact 341 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 3: of just going to the NBA and which I really liked. 342 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 3: I had a bunch of friends that were already playing 343 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 3: at during that time, and so to do the NBA 344 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: and to be able to cover all their stars that 345 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: they have there, and it was a sport that I 346 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 3: really liked. I really enjoyed it. It was indoors and 347 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: warm for one, Yeah, very nice. It was just something 348 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 3: that you know, that's the kind of way. That's the 349 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 3: way it went. I've always loved football, you know, but 350 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 3: during the basketball then we had a chance to you 351 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: know what, and it was it wasn't so much I 352 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 3: had the when when we did our show, we did 353 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 3: our football show there. That's sort of the stuff that 354 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 3: I took to this show that I created at the 355 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 3: NBA called Inside Stuff. Was just by the way winning 356 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame this past year, I got a 357 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 3: lot of those ideas and the way those things work 358 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: from when you and I worked together, you know, because 359 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: we we had such a great time and it was 360 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 3: all about our personalities. 361 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: You know. 362 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 3: It was like, you know, we'd laugh at stuff, we'd 363 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: come up with stuff, we have nice stories, you know, 364 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: and we were like, I think people just like watching 365 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: it because it was kind of a tough thing. That's 366 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: the same sort of attitude that I took to inside stuff. 367 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 3: But it was on basketball and then that really went. 368 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 3: I mean it was right when basketball was turning around 369 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: and becoming a world sport. We were right on that train. 370 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 2: Well in your relationship with Michael Jordan obviously became very special, 371 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 2: and your insight into Michael and after all these years, 372 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 2: still arguably the greatest player of all time, and you 373 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 2: got to know him quite well and still are very 374 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: very good friends with him, right, And. 375 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 3: It was I mean not always, but there was a 376 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: bunch of It wasn't only Michael Garnett, I mean Charles 377 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 3: bar I mean it was they had a bunch of stars. 378 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 3: If you look on a dream team, right, your dream team, 379 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 3: well all those guys were. I mean anytime I do 380 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 3: is call an you them, they come on the show 381 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 3: or we and we had a chance to show who 382 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 3: they really were. It wasn't just about basketball. It's like 383 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 3: how do you go to the store, how do you 384 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 3: go to the mall, how do you drive? How do 385 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: you do these times? So you got to learn who 386 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 3: these guys were. As real people as opposed to just 387 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 3: basketball players. And it was a big group, you know, 388 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 3: when I look at you know, Larry Bird, it was 389 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 3: all these guys that were dying, you know, to get 390 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 3: on that show inside stuff, because everybody was watching that show. 391 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: So if I went to a game and somebody went 392 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 3: down the court and made a dunk or something like that, 393 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: they would run back by me and go put that 394 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 3: on inside stuff. Every game it was the guys were 395 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 3: playing Tom Hey man, I put that dunk on inside stuff, 396 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 3: you know. So it was it was a lot of fun. 397 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: And and he also, you know what David Stern gave me. 398 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 3: I could do whatever I wanted to do on that show, 399 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: you know, And it was just a lot of lot 400 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: of fun. So Michael and I and I had access, 401 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 3: Like you said, to Michaels, he was just becoming the 402 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 3: greatest player, you know, with the first of the six championships, 403 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 3: well that was we were there for every single one 404 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 3: of those, and it just turned out that that was 405 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 3: like my best friend at that point, you know. So 406 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: it was it was it was all those things. But 407 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 3: there were all these other guys too, you know, Larry Bird, 408 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 3: you know, all all oh goodness. 409 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: Yeah great, I mean great players, but unbelievable personalities and 410 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: people as well, right, I mean I don't think you know, 411 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: it's like the media still he can't get enough of 412 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: Barkley and people from that era who not just played 413 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: their rear ends off, but just the personality hard. I 414 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: can't even imagine how much fun y'all had sitting around 415 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: just talking about that driving to work stuff, like you 416 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: know stuff. 417 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 3: The other part is those guys respected me because they 418 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 3: knew how good I was at my sport. 419 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 2: Of course, it wasn't like. 420 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: I just popped up. It's like, well, you know, I've 421 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 3: been at this level before in my whole career. Was 422 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 3: that just so? So it was more of a you know, 423 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 3: they all knew about my career, I knew about their career. 424 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: So it was a wonderful thing for all of us 425 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 3: to sort of get along. 426 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 2: Again, we're talking with a modelor shot. And because of 427 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 2: the ever changing landscape of sports and whether it's the youth, collegiate, 428 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: professional level, would you have wanted to be involved with 429 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: the you know, the world of social media and everything 430 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: that it happens is is somehow recorded or put out there, 431 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: and uh, it's it's a different, much different world than 432 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 2: you you grew up in in sports and the sports landscape. 433 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 3: There was the worst thing about it is you can 434 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 3: make up a bunch of stuff and put it on 435 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 3: there or whatever your attitude. You can please. You have 436 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 3: a chance to uh say something that you might want 437 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 3: to say, and you don't have any sort of uh 438 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 3: intelligence about what you're talking about, you know, because you 439 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 3: all you got to do is put it on the internet, right, 440 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 3: you know, I think isn't that and the other? But 441 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 3: where do you think that from? You have a background 442 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 3: that you sort of went through. It is just your 443 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: it's just what you're thinking. So you have to sort 444 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 3: of cut yourself between that. And it's also changed things 445 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 3: by the players. Players don't have to get interviewed anymore. 446 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 3: They can interview themselves or say what they want to say, 447 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 3: and so it sort of gets out of whack a 448 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 3: little bit. You just have to keep going. I mean, 449 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 3: that's when I realized that I'm not thirty. 450 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: Nine, that is for sure. 451 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you remember that, because everybody care write their own 452 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 3: story or how well they played, or how good they are, 453 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 3: how good looking there they can put that on to themselves. 454 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: Sure, And what do you think of the What do 455 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: you think of today's NFL? I mean we have, obviously, 456 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: justin Jefferson Jordan Addison, wide receiver positions changed a little bit. 457 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: You know, you're not gonna get your head taken off 458 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: running across the middle. 459 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 2: Of the field. 460 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: So, uh yeah, what is your What do you think 461 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: about today's game in the wide receiver position in particular, Well. 462 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 3: Jefferson could have played at any at any at any level. 463 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: I mean, he's that good that it wouldn't have mattered. 464 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 3: He had been great no matter when he played. But 465 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 3: they have changed the rules to the point where they're 466 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 3: not even They don't even go with the rules of 467 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: a long time ago. It should be like new stuff, 468 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 3: you know, because if you change the rules where you 469 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 3: can't touch anybody. I think I led the league in 470 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: receiving one time when like eighty passes or sixty passes, 471 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 3: and then one time with eighty passes, which back then 472 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 3: was like a thousand. But you look now, the fourth 473 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 3: string receiver catches eighty passes. Yeah, it's like and you 474 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 3: can't touch them. You know, you can't touch them. But 475 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 3: I just I look at it from when you start 476 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 3: talking like that. You come off like, once again, I'm 477 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 3: not thirty nine, I'm old. No, you know you talk 478 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: about oh man, when I played, when I played, and 479 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 3: then it reminds me of times when I was playing 480 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: and I'd run into some guy that played like thirty 481 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 3: years before me, and he'd be talking like I'm talking now. Man, 482 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 3: when you played, they didn't even have helmets. 483 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: Leather helmets. Yeah exactly. Well, it's yeah, Lily, exactly, it's 484 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 2: it's a pleasure catching up with you. We really appreciate 485 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: your time, but more importantly, I so appreciate your friendship 486 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: over the years. It means the world to me. And uh, 487 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 2: you sell them as youthful as ever, and it inspires 488 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 2: me to keep doing what I'm doing at my young 489 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 2: age and hang your on youngsters like Pete Pursage. So 490 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: all the best to you, my friend. 491 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 3: Hey, I really, I really appreciate that so much. You 492 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 3: know that Minnesota has always been my home. I love 493 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 3: the place. I love everybody there, and they did such 494 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 3: a wonderful I had such a great career being there, 495 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: just with the people that I've met, the people that 496 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 3: I met, and how we sort of interacted through him. 497 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 3: It's my favorite place in the world and it's so 498 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 3: nice to talk to you guys. This more ya. 499 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: Thanks you man, thank you AMU time well, thanks again 500 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 2: to a mod for Shot for joining the show tonight. 501 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 2: It has been an incredible season of Skull Stories talking 502 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 2: to some of our favorite Viking legends. We would like 503 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: to say thanks to a couple of people for helping 504 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: make this show happen in twenty twenty four. Legends coordinator 505 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 2: Tom West for booking such great guests, Audio editor Eric Davidson, 506 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 2: producer Jay Nelson, my co host of course, Pete Bursich, 507 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: and most certainly you the fans. This has always been 508 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: a lot of fun doing each year, and remember if 509 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: you missed any of our previous episodes, be sure to 510 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 2: check out our podcast feed on your favorite podcast app 511 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 2: or the podcastab on the Vikings app for our entire catalog. 512 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 2: For one last time this football season, thanks again for 513 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 2: tuning into another edition of Skull Stories presented by three 514 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: M the official science partner of the Minnesota Vikings, and 515 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: we will see you all again next year.