WEBVTT - Web of Lies with Sherri Papini 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:05.359 Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:10.000 All right, So I gotta be honest, I'm having a 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:19.560 difficult time with this because as an interviewer, you should 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:21.840 have an unbiased opinion. 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.079 I believe. I believe that just interview somebody, yep. 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:31.200 I think that you should not come in with judgment, 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:37.760 not come in with preconceived opinions. And most of the time, 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.120 like you know, when we've had people like Whitney on 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:45.040 who was very much like she was the. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:47.599 How do we say that? 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.800 Like the what would they call her on that the 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:54.400 first season of The Secret Antagonist? Yeah, and it's like 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:56.560 where we could go in and be like, oh, I 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.720 don't really know about her and we might feel it, 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.440 but you still want to be warm and kind and 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.800 give her the platform to be able to say what 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:08.800 she wants to say. Yeah, have her truth, her story. 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:10.680 And I feel like that should go. I mean, the 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.399 best people that I've seen interview, like a Barbara Walters, 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.720 you know, it's like they I don't feel like they ever. 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:19.720 From what I. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.639 Watched as a kid watching twenty twenty, I never really 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:30.000 saw them having judgment. I would agree, right, Okay, So 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.280 with this it's like, I know we're a podcast, but 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.760 we're still interviewing. Yeah, And I'm having a difficult time 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:38.920 with this. If I'm honest with you and. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:40.400 This, I really just want to go on the record 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:44.760 for saying that you and I watched this entire documentary, 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.160 but we have not spoken at all at all. We 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.160 have not about this. So I don't know how you're 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:55.320 entering this and you don't even have to tell me. Now, 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:59.560 I think my I think you'll be surprised. 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.720 Let me be honest, and I'll be I'll be straight 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.400 up honest with this, because again I'm teetering the line 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.160 between I listen, I am no Barbara Walters, Okay, I 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:12.079 have this podcast, and I think there's a difference between. 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.919 I think it's two things can be true at once, right, 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.600 So it's like, I have this podcast, and I have 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.680 my opinions about certain things, and I want to be 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.680 in to interview and give people the chance to have 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:28.120 their voices heard. Having said that, when I got this 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.960 request for this interview, I said, no, that was actually 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.760 going to be one of my questions to you. I said, 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.600 I don't want to have her on. Can I ask 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:43.400 why I don't believe her and it triggers something in 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:47.680 me to have someone that lies given something that is 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.720 freshly going on right now too. I have a and listen, 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.079 I have lied countless times in my past. I am 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:59.320 not by any means a saint or like I have 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.400 lie to people's faces. I've in my day back in 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:08.160 the day, like having said that I have, you know, 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.600 done my work and all the healing and all the things. 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:19.000 But when I when I kind of started to research 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:24.640 and then I watched the documentary, I was like, I 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.840 wondered if this would be hard for you because of that, 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:32.520 it triggers something post Mike Liars, I'm like, you're done. 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:34.880 You're done to me, You're dead to me, like you're 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.760 I just I can see right through what you're doing, 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.640 through the laugh, through the smile, like there's just And 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.760 then so much so that something has recently happened with 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.800 like a month or so ago, where this person was 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.080 straight up lying and I'm watching it happen. I'm like, 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.200 I know because I have proof, and you're lying through 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.880 your teeth right now. And it's like it then tended 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.520 to have people then to tended to be interviewing someone 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.080 that is a known liar. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:05.680 A federally accused and found guilty liar. I'm just like, 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:07.880 like lied to the FBI coming. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.600 I don't want to sit in front of someone to 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.880 be lied to again like I did it for years. 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.360 I had someone lie to me for years to my face. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:17.719 I'm done, Like, I don't want to. I don't want 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.320 to be like lied to. I feel that's my frustration 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.800 and I'm making basing it. No, No, I felt the 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.240 same thing. I started watching the documentary and I was like, 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:27.800 I don't even want to give this chick my time. 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:30.960 But I will tell you. I think you'll be surprised 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:36.640 at some compassion I have found where with miss Sherry. 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.600 Really which piece you'll see? 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:47.240 Okay, okay, okay, okay, Well she's here, feed breaths, Let's 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:48.520 get her. 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:52.200 Hello, Hi, how are you? 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:53.960 I'm good? How are you? 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:59.120 I am good? Cherry? We have a lot of questions. 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.520 First, not the only one, so yeah, and first and foremost, 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.400 I just want to I'm curious because you know, obviously 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:09.520 we watched the documentary. What and from what I've been 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:15.000 told is that you didn't have editorial rights in piecing 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.080 that together. So I'm curious as let's take you out 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.040 of the equation, right, and you were a viewer sitting 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:24.599 on the couch watching this show, how how do you 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.480 think you were perceived in that and what as a 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.960 viewer would you be thinking watching it? 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.240 Well, I watched at the same time that everybody else 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:38.360 watched it, and that was absolutely terrifying because I had 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.840 no idea how the edits were going to come together. 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:47.000 I certainly knew what my interviews were like. It was 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.600 a year long process, and I knew what I had 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:54.279 gone through and the excruciating process that I went through 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.560 creating the film, but I had absolutely no idea how 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.200 it was going to be edited and my direction sure 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.400 that I worked with she continued to say, you know, 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:09.040 we are going to do something very balanced, right, And 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.960 so the primary objective of Sherry Pepini Cotton a Lie 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.560 was every time you had something that made me look good, 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.080 they had to balance it with something that would make 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:23.040 me look bad. For me, that's really scary because when 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.480 you go in with this negative bias of how I've 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:32.680 appeared online and the the reputation that I've had out there, 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:36.320 it already kind of tips the scales a little bit. 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.919 So it was pretty heartbreaking to watch for me to 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:44.039 watch how it came together. I'm proud of what I 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:48.120 contributed to it, and I'm proud of even the you know, 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:54.640 the moments that unfortunately are twisted or whatever, Like it's 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:58.039 still all me in there, and it's still incredibly vulnerable, 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.800 and I'm happy with what I can attributed to it. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.360 Do you feel like it was balanced? 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.159 Well, again, I think when you already go into something 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:11.760 with a level of negative bias, I think it generally 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.960 can tip the scales one way or another. But yeah, 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.720 I think so, Yeah, I think so. 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.960 I have Okay, So the one question that burns in 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:25.800 me is a pretty intimate and it's a pretty heavy one. 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.320 So I don't know how. I guess you can just 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.640 say pass if you prefer not to, but I know, 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.160 don't brace yourself. I'm a kind human, so I'm like 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:38.040 the I'm not one that's going to like attack, so 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.920 the compassion part of me. So I watched the whole thing, 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:47.560 and I felt like there was a part that they 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:52.080 maybe didn't give enough time to, and that would be 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:56.720 the childhood trauma piece and the sexual assault in your 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:00.000 early I know you said early double digits, so maybe 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:05.320 ten eleven, twelve, and so my question because I think 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.520 that this deserves a little space because it sets a 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.640 tone for all of your life, in my opinion, and 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.680 I have childhood trauma as well. It is not as 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.320 significant is something as that, but I know how it 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.240 has shaped me. The way I see things, the way 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.520 I do things, the justice I seek, my inability to 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.520 tolerate liars. That's no offense to our present guest, but 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.520 there is things that trigger me because of the way 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:32.880 I grew up. Do you feel like there was justice 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.440 in the sexual assault that happened to you early on, 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.960 because in the way the film is telling the story, 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.200 it was kind of swept under the rug. It felt 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.520 like this family never talked about it, which I would say, 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.240 we're the same age, so I would say that that 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:52.720 generation of parenting is pretty good at sweeping and not 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:57.000 identifying and not really digging in. But I am now, 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.040 I'm a mother of a nine year old, and I 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:03.000 can't imagine that I am in your father's place and 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.240 I walk in, as it's told on the documentary, he 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.360 walks in to find this person sexually assaulting his daughter, 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:12.440 and then there's not some sort of really deep dive 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.280 into you as a human and as a little girl, 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:20.600 little Sherry, and we're not working through that. So do 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.120 you feel is there any parts of those stories that 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:24.360 you want to retell? I don't want to make you 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.079 live a trauma, So that's why I'm careful in the 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:30.640 way I'm wording this. But I'm really super interested in 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.480 the non resolution that you got out of that maybe, 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:38.360 and how that could further shape all of these events 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.120 that now all of America is involved in. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.800 I would say, for me, certainly, the bravery that it 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.280 took for my parents to even speak about that, to 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:52.920 feel comfortable coming out and being able to share that 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:59.000 very deeply rooted family secret, that a significant amount of 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.840 healing happened. So after I got out of prison and 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.720 I moved back in with my mom and dad, you know, 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.240 we were able to have family dinner every night, we 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:11.240 were able to really dig very deep into therapy together, 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:19.040 and this beautiful healing, blossoming relationship occurred. And to me, 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:25.120 that's really what I've always desired and what I've always needed. 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.959 Coming out in a film that's going to be seen 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.240 by millions of people, and my parents being willing to 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:39.359 speak on what happened to me, that's it's pretty incredible. 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.960 It's pretty incredible because there's you know, certainly with my dad, 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:48.480 he's carried around this tremendous guilt and this tremendous shame. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.840 Because we're older, it's not like there's anything that we 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.920 even can do about it other than heal talk about it. 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.520 He's given me a tre tremendous amount of grace with 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.240 how it happened and the sweeping it under the rug 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.760 and not talking about it when we were that age. 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.560 We're talking about it now though, and it's become quite 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:18.559 a comfortable conversation with my parents, and I'm really I'm 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.720 really happy with the relationship that I have with the 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:22.440 trauma now. 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.320 I know that this is kind of a hindsight question, 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.520 so this may not be something you can even answer, 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.480 but one of the psychologists in the film talks about 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.360 how if that trauma, that trauma was not dealt with 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.960 appropriately at the time, and how that does and we 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.880 all know that just from existing in the world, if 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.079 little Sherry was to get the treatment she needed and 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:47.200 the healing and the emotional and mental support at the 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.560 time of that incident, do you think that shapes who 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.560 you are now differently? And do we think that we 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.640 even know who you are, because in my brain, I 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.760 don't even think we know who you are if you 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.640 had gotten the support at that time that you should 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.720 have gotten and is that I you know? 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:02.800 And the thing too, to add on to that, it's 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.200 like your friends from school were saying, you know, she 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:06.680 was always saying she was going to leave and then 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.880 make up lies and she was always lying about about stuff. 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.360 Do you think those lies came because of that on 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:14.840 field trauma? 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.560 Well, I think when the news story broke and everything 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.720 came out, everyone wanted to jump on the bandwagon. So 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:26.480 you know, you went to middle school, you went to 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.440 high school. We weren't friends with everybody that we met. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.920 We weren't friends with everyone that we interacted with in school, 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:40.160 and so when you have AM it's kind of like 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.120 confirmation bias. Right. So, if this is a particular story, 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.520 if I have something that I want to talk about 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.559 that's in the avenue of the story, I'm going to 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.080 call and talk about what I have that contributes to 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.480 the story. There's so much more to my life and 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.120 there's so much more to the depth of my relationships. 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:01.560 But it's like when they pick out certain things just 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:06.679 to fixate on this one issue that I had. It 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.800 makes it really difficult because it's like there's other people 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:13.240 in my life that I've had these exceptional relationships with, 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:19.079 or even tumultuous tumultuous relationships with, and some of these 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:24.520 people that came forward like they've done really terrible things 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.760 and they are really horrible people, and now I have 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:30.400 to come back and I have to be able to 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.360 clean it up. And you know, there's a great example 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:35.679 is there's an ex boyfriend that went on and said, oh, 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:37.600 she just likes to make up stories. And I'm like, 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.120 you were cheating on your fiance and I didn't even 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.560 know you were engaged, and yet you're being brought up 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:48.920 in these news stories about me without evidence and just 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.480 trying to trash me, when it's like your life is 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:57.400 so incredibly horrific in and out of itself. So it's 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.680 it's really I feel so mean girled all the time, 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.360 and I feel so picked on all the time by 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.440 these people who are just getting up and giving their 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:09.240 opinion without even providing evidence of it. It's just like 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:14.120 rumor after rumor after rumor, and I've continued to try 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.320 and demonstrate my remorse and my accountability for what I've done. 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.160 But I'm done taking too much accountability and i am 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:26.240 done trying to continue to defend myself when people come 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.680 out with things that are just not true about me. 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:47.840 I think, honestly my interaction and watching it, I still 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.760 was just having the hardest time trying to understand why 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.200 the lie in the beginning. And I'm still kind of 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.640 confused on that piece because I'm like, if I and 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.880 I get, you know, to an extent, some of the 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.280 stuff you were talking about, but it's like, if I 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:08.360 knew I was gonna, did you have I guess I'm 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.200 just I guess I'm just confused. I guess I'm just 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.880 lost on why why even lie? Make up this thing? 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:14.960 Because I'm like, you make up a lie because you're 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.280 trying to cover a shame piece. You're trying to cover 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.920 up something that's That's when I lied. I lied to 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:21.840 an ext boyfriend that I cheated on because I didn't 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:23.880 want him to know the truth that I that I cheated, 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.760 you know, and I made up this elaborate lie to 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.760 cover up my own shame stuff. And so you know, 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.480 that was what back in my twenties. But still it's 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:37.320 like with this situation. It's like I still just don't 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:43.320 understand why, Like I just I don't know if I 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.440 I just don't understand that. I don't. I don't understand 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.880 where the lie even started. It was like a bad 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.680 plan gone wrong, like did because obviously you were texting 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:53.280 with this guy. I know you said it led to 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.480 something else, but there's it's just doesn't something about it 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.520 just I don't. It doesn't make sense. And I think 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.200 that's maybe why other people don't believe the story, because 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.360 it doesn't. It's hard to make sense of it. 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.200 The narrative that's out there prior to me coming forward 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.000 is the part that doesn't make sense. I think now 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.760 that I've come forward, and now that I'm able to 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.440 be able to speak on what happened, it tracks and 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.200 it aligns and it fills in all of the gaps 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:24.920 of the why and the confusion. And are you talking 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:29.840 about the Hulu documentary that you watched or the HBO documentary? Okay, 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.520 So for me, you know, I was carrying on this 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:37.360 emotional affair and I got in over my head and 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:42.000 was in a very dangerous situation, and then coming out 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.520 of it and going back home, I was too afraid 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.960 to tell my ex husband that I was having an 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:52.240 emotional affair, and the story that was made up to 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.760 cover up his identity, And that's all my story is. 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.320 I've always maintained that I was kidnapped and tortured and brutalized, 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.960 always continue to say that that is what happened. I 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.359 was just too afraid to come out and talk about 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.800 his identity. I was too afraid because James was watching. 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.639 I was afraid because I had already lied to law enforcement, 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.000 and I was terrified to tell my ex husband that 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.200 I was having an emotional affair. Because what you see 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.840 is happening right now. There's bits and pieces and details 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.320 of my marriage that are starting to come out now, 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:30.280 particularly starting with the documentary of the coercive control and 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:34.520 the abuse that I was suffering in my marriage. And 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.680 that's really all it was. I got into a dangerous 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.160 situation and I was too afraid to tell my ex 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.840 husband that I was having an emotional affair. And now 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:46.879 I'm not married anymore, and I'm not ashamed anymore, and 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:50.560 I've taken accountability for what I've done, and so I'm 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.639 able to very clearly talk about what happened, and why 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:57.280 the lie was created, and how I'm picking up the 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.360 pieces and rebuilding my life and moving forward from what happened. 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.160 What were you afraid Keith would do if you told 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:09.239 him the truth before this abduction, if you were to 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.760 just come because there's burner phones involved, So this is 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.200 next level, sister. We got to be honest. Like I've 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.040 we're in the music industry, We've seen some shady things, 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:18.240 but like the burner. 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.359 Phone was a sex addict, so he had the burner phones. 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.600 Like there's a level of like deep. 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.840 Yeah, So I want to know what were you nervous 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.640 would happen? What would Keith do that you were nervous 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.880 of if you were to tell the truth to him. 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:36.040 It's what you're seeing right now. So after after the 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:39.879 details started to come out and I was arrested and 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.760 I was released from jail, my defense attorney had a 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:47.800 meeting with Keith and was trying to get him to 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.800 understand why we would be taking a plea agreement rather 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.480 than going to trial. And he let out a little 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.320 detail that about the burner phones that I had been 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:00.679 keeping secret from my ex husband and called me right 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.240 away and said sorry, I really I didn't mean to 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.120 do this, but he's on the way and he's pissed, 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.640 so please be careful. I don't really know what's going 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:14.359 to happen, but he's really upset. So I took my 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.679 phone when he showed up, I hit record, and I 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.040 split it under the bed. And what happened after that 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:24.399 was Keith said, Okay, here's what's going to happen. I 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.080 want you to sign all of these unfair agreements. I 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.000 want you to sign your rights away to your custody 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.040 and to all of the assets in our marriage. And 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.040 when you come out and when you're ready to sell 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.720 the story, I get control of it. So if you 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.760 sign this contract and you sign all of these agreements, 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:45.440 you can come home, but I'm in complete control of everything, 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.440 and you can live in the guest bedroom. And if 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:53.240 you apologize to me every day and I believe that 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.720 you've earned the right to our marriage, then you can 0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:01.080 come in and we can rekindle our marriage. And at 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:04.400 that point, I was living with my sister in law already. 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.119 It was after my arrest, and I was preparing to 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.000 go to prison, and I was preparing to sign a 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:13.480 plea agreement, and I had finally gotten the strength to say, no, 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:15.960 I'm not doing that. I'm not going back home. I 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.080 now see what it feels like to be without you, 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.600 and that I'm going to survive. And I knew I 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:23.480 was going to prison, which was the safest that I 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:28.600 felt in sixteen years. And so I didn't sign. And 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:32.200 he threatened me and said, if you don't sign, then 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.400 I'm bringing the entire world down on your head, which 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:38.800 won't be hard, because you're Shery Peppini and everyone loves 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:40.959 me and I'm the hero and this is all I have. 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:45.480 It it's all recorded, and he says, if you don't 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.600 sign the agreement, you don't do what I want, I 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.000 will be taking your children from you, which won't be hard, 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:55.040 and I will completely obliterate your life, turn the media 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:58.640 on you, change your entire family's perspective on you. If 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:01.359 you sign this, I will lie for you. If you 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:03.639 sign this and come home and shut your mouth and 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:06.520 give me all the control, you'll have your kids and 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.639 you'll have everything. And I didn't sign it, and I 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:12.200 went to prison instead, and he did exactly what he 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.840 threatened to do. He's taken custody, full custody of my children. 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:20.040 He has absolutely everything. I lost my trial and the 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.520 divorce and the separation of assets because he had the 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:29.320 trial while I was in prison. He's ruined relationships in 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:34.560 my life and manipulated using my crime against me in 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:38.040 every way. So the post separation abuse that I'm experiencing 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:41.480 now you're seeing firsthand, and everything that he's threatened to do. 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:44.720 He did everything that I was afraid of happening. He's 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:46.399 done and continues to do. 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:49.760 Why did he create a post up? Because that's a 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:52.919 very that's not a common thing to have in a marriage, 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.560 especially a healthy marriage. I mean, if my husband slides 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:57.440 to me a post up, now, I'm like I gave 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.560 ax a post up when he was rehob right, That's why. 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.800 So I so the viewer side of this and this 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:08.480 is just me and I promise I actually have this 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:12.200 is I'm not on a side because they did to 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.320 me a very fair job of balancing you, and I 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:17.120 felt like the only thing that was a little imbalanced 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:19.400 is me getting a little more backstory, and like, why 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:22.240 Sherry is the way Sherry is. That's why I wanted 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.359 to lead with the question about your youth, because I 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:27.520 think it does determine so much of our older years. 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:32.280 But when someone is coming to you with a post up, 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:35.399 it's usually because there's already been some sort of something 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:37.639 that's a red flag to him, whether it's infidelity or 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.520 lying or something, and you signed it. So can you 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:42.320 expand on why there was one? 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:43.080 What? 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:47.120 Because I because it's easy to divorce someone and get 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:49.600 all the assets when they're in prison. A But when 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:51.520 they're in prison and they've already signed off that they 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:53.800 can have everything, you can that he could literally have 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:57.400 everything because you've already agreed upon that legally before while 0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:58.040 you were married. 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:03.080 Well, Puppini has changed his story quite a lot. So 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:06.840