1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now moved the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, welcome to move the six presented by 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Zaxby's DJ and Bucky back with you and uh Buck. 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: We actually have an NFL game to discuss and we 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: will do that shortly with a good friend of ours, 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: David Shaw from Stanford. Yeah, really excited to have Coachhaw. 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: And he gives a different perspective, not only because he's 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: one of the best minds in football, but because he's 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: lived in both worlds college in the pro. He'll be 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: able to give us some of that unique perspective. Preparing 11 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: without a preseason and how they played out during this 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: opening game. Yeah, it was gosh. It was so great 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: to have NFL football. And I was kind of surprised. 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: I haven't really kept up, to be honest, full disclosure 15 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: of what stadiums were going to have some fans and 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: and and what stadiums weren't. But it sounded like that 17 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: was all just for like seventeen thousand people or something 18 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: like that. It sounded when you're watching the game, just 19 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: from a viewer standpoint, it sounded like a regular game. 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: And they did the white shot you see a lot 21 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: of all those empty seats. But I don't know how 22 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: you were buck but I thought from a you know, 23 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: quality of play standpoint, in an environment standpoint, it felt 24 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: like I just felt like a regular football game. Yeah, 25 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: I liked it a lot. I enjoyed. I was very, 26 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: very surprised. I was surprised at the quality of play. 27 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: Not a lot of pre snap penalties, which is what 28 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: you normally will see early in games. And I thought 29 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: the tackling was pretty good. I felt like those teams 30 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: were very prepared. Didn't see a lot of mis tackles 31 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: in open field. I didn't feel like it was a 32 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: sloppy game when it came to the physicality part of it. Um, 33 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: I felt like everybody did a really good job of 34 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: prepping your team. Now, it certainly didn't play out the 35 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: way the Houston Texans wanted to play out, because once 36 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: they got off their opening fifteen, they had a tough 37 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: time moving the ball consistently. But overall, I thought the 38 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: game play was good. And if it goes back to 39 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: what you and I both learned in college, typically most 40 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: teams make their biggest improvement from week one to week two. 41 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: I think we'll see the Texans be a much improved 42 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: team going forward, and then they got their first one 43 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: under their bilt. I think their identity is a little 44 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: different too, you know, with with Hopkins not there and 45 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: with David Johnson and certed into the lineup and Randall Cobb, 46 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 1: there was some there are some newer pieces there, and 47 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, the Chiefs obviously Clyde Edwards 48 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: a layer which we'll get into with coach Shaw was fantastic, UM, 49 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: but he was kind of dropped into a really completed offense, 50 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,119 Speaker 1: and I felt like they kind of already know who 51 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: they are, what they're all about, and I thought that 52 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: showed I thought that was a difference between a team 53 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: that has their identity and maybe a team that's still 54 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: trying to find theirs. Yeah, I think they the kand 55 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: City Chiefs really really know their identity. But I would 56 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: say this, I think they're probably a more dangerous team 57 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: now than they have been. UM last year. They're saying 58 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: a lot for a team that has gone to a 59 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: championship game and going to a super Bowl and back 60 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: to back years under Pat Mahomes. But I'll say this 61 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about Claude was large UM with coach Shaw. 62 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: But when we're in the draft process, so much of 63 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: the challenge that we face is we're grading players for 64 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: the entire league. We're not necessarily grading them for a team. 65 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: And I think what Claude it was a large is 66 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: he is the perfect example a fit in scheme. And 67 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: when we're working for our teams in the past, working 68 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: for the Seahawks and the Panthers, respectively, you're working for 69 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: the Ravens, the Browns, the Eagles. You gray differently based 70 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: on how your team views players at a position and 71 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: how they'll be utilized, and I think for Clyde it 72 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 1: was a lot. I don't know if he was universally 73 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: known as the number one running back across the board 74 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: on every team, but for the Kansas City Chiefs, I 75 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: think you now understand why he was the top running 76 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: back for them. His game fits exactly how Andy Read 77 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: wants to utilize the position, and we haven't even really 78 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: scratched the surface on how they can utilize him in 79 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: the passing game. But as a running back, his patients, 80 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: his power, his stop start ability, it really really works. 81 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: And the fact that he was able to get twenty 82 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: five carries as a rookie the workhorse element, and I 83 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: think what you saw is like Andy Reid was fine 84 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: peace milling in the past, but I think he's much 85 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: more confident as a play caller when he has everybody, 86 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: when he has a workforce that I don't have to change. 87 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: I have one guy and I'm gonna feature just one guy. 88 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: I think that is what came out of it for 89 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: me watching the game on Thursday night. Yeah, you talk 90 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: about that fit. I mean we just talked about the 91 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: other day. I'm I'm picking to be the offensive rookie 92 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: of the year because it is a perfect fit. And 93 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: I went back and pulled up my report. So I 94 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: ended up with Edwards Hilaire as my second running back 95 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: and he was my thirty second overall player. He ended 96 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: up being the thirty second overall pick um. But here 97 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: was what I wrote on the college stuff. Buck short 98 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: compact runner, quick feet, power and prowess in the passing game. 99 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: On inside runs. Is a quick stepper with darting darting 100 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: lateral agility to slide and avoid contact. Runs extremely little 101 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: to the ground. He's tough for opponents to square up, 102 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: drives his legs on contact, and pulls out of a 103 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: lot of tackles. He's quick to capture the perimeter and 104 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: refuses to run out of bound, choosing instead to fight 105 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: for extra yards. He's outstanding in the passing game. He 106 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: can line up anywhere in the formation. He runs clean 107 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: crisp routes, catches the ball outside his frame very smoothly, 108 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: and he's outstanding after the catch. His ability to start 109 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: stop in space is elite. He's rarely used in past 110 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: protection because of his value out of the route out 111 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: in the route overall edwards, Hilariary has a similar skill 112 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: set to Austin Ekeler. I envisioned a similar role in 113 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: results at the next level. The scary thing if you're 114 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: an opponent of the Chiefs. They didn't even really cut 115 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: them loose in the passing game yet. I mean they 116 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: didn't have to know. They didn't. And I think that's 117 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: what's really really scary. And I think, um, and I'm 118 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: a kind of tip had to Andy Reid because I 119 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: don't know if a lot of offensive play callers can 120 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: do this. But the discipline and the restraint that he 121 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: showed saying, hey, okay, this would be a game where 122 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: maybe we won't hit the forty point Mark, But we're 123 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: going to control the game because you're giving us the 124 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: opportunity to run the ball at five yards a clip. 125 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna keep taking 126 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: these runs until you show us that you can stop it. 127 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: And so now the reason why the Chiefs are more 128 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: dangerous in my mind, they can change style. It's almost 129 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,119 Speaker 1: like a basketball team that can Hey, we can spread 130 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: and straight and shoot the three, but we also have 131 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: a post up presence. So however you want to defend this, 132 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: we have a counter tactic. I now believe the Chiefs 133 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: have a counter to every conceivable defense or defensive philosophy 134 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: that you can throw at them. They can just settle, 135 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: say oh, how are you playing us? At the end 136 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: of the first quarter. They can change and play a 137 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: completely different way, and that's going to enable him to 138 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: win a bunch of games at a high level. Uh. Yeah, 139 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: that's a great point. Buck. We we're gonna get to 140 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: our conversation here with Coach Shaw right now, but I 141 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: want you to to stay through this interview, which is 142 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: fantastic on the backside, but there's a couple of other 143 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: news items that I want to touch on with you. 144 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: Uh and we can hit on, but first let's get 145 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: to our conversation with Stanford head coach David Shaw, somebody 146 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: that I worked with with the Baltimore Ravens. You you 147 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: were coached by his father, if I'm being corrected, Yeah, 148 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: I was coached. I was coached by his father and 149 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: him when I was with the Oakland Raiders, So they 150 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: both have had a huge impact on the way that 151 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: I view the game. Yeah. So it's been just a 152 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: great friend and a great resource for us UM and 153 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: we had a chance to visit with him about everything 154 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: that took place in the game last night as well 155 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: as uh as what's going on in his world to 156 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: college level right now. So here's our conversation with Stanford 157 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: head coach David Shaw. Coach. First of all, you know, 158 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna get to everything in the craziness of of 159 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: your life right now. It's all been kind of shaking 160 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: upside down here on the college side of things. But 161 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: we want to take advantage of some of this time 162 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: that you have right now to get your thoughts on 163 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: the NFL. And let's start with the first game we 164 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: saw last night between Kansas City UH and what we 165 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: saw from the Houston Texas. Just quality of play, Dave, 166 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: what do you think of the quality of play for 167 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: for not having an offseason. I think early on, I 168 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: think both teams spread it a little bit, but I 169 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: thought they settled in pretty well. UM. As a coach, 170 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,559 Speaker 1: I'm sure all those all those coaches were worried about 171 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: not having those preseason games, and even those those few 172 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: plays that those starters play, it's still nice to get 173 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: those first real hits against somebody else. UM. But I 174 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: think both teams settled in. I think those are as 175 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: we all know, those are two of the most talented teams, 176 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: UH in the NFL. Um To, I think the Texans 177 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: played about as well as you can play. But you 178 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: gotta score for you gotta score points. You gotta score 179 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: points against that Kansas City Chiefs offense because they are 180 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: going to score points, so you have to match them 181 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: to a certain degree. I want to say I thought 182 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: I was impressed with the Chiefs, their patients, their willingness 183 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: to run the football. With a great young running back, 184 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: You've got the most dangerous quarterback throwing and running combination 185 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: in the league. You've got the most dangerous weapons in 186 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: the league. But you now also have a running game, 187 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: and I think the rest of the rest of the 188 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: NFL was hoping they wouldn't see what they saw last night, 189 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: which is a composed, balanced, physical offense that will scare 190 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: you over the top, and an attacking defense that can 191 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: get after your quarterback. You know, David, it's funny. You 192 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: have a unique perspective because you said it to me 193 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: and Bill Walsh hadn't played at Stanford under him, and 194 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: so you understand the core tenants of the West Coast offense. 195 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: So now when you have a West Coast offense or 196 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: Andy Reeves version of the West Coast offense, and you 197 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: put in a running back who is tough to tough 198 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: enough to run in but also can catch the ball 199 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: out to battle, even though we didn't see it, what 200 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: they've been due to that offense, well, you know, both 201 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: of you guys know my my dad really Shaw a 202 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: long time defensive coordinator. Um he they have now that 203 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: the couple of things that scare defensive coordinators. You've got 204 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback who is young, who's got a cannon for 205 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: an arm, who's also mobile and can extend plays or 206 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: run and and and make plays with his legs. But 207 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: now you've got a running game, So you have to 208 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: pick your poison. Do you load the box to stop 209 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: the running game and and die quickly, or do you 210 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: play too high and lose the game eight to ten 211 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: yards at a time with their running game. Um, that's 212 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: a really, really tough, tough choice. You're gonna have to 213 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: take some chances. But the problem is when you take 214 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: chances against a team like this runner pass they can make, 215 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: they can really hurt you. You know, David, everybody's kind 216 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: of compared this version of Andy Reid offense to maybe 217 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: some other versions that he's had, or you look at 218 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: other West Coast offenses. We're talking a little bit earlier 219 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: before we started. I thought you brought up an interesting 220 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: comparison of that offense looked a little similar to that 221 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: you saw back in the NFL with Peyton Manning. Absolutely 222 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning with two Hall of Fame receivers, of borderline, 223 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, tight end, hall of Fame running back, 224 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: a very good offensive line. And now they just say, 225 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: are you playing too high? Great, We're gonna run the ball. 226 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: Oh you get a single high? Great? Trying to cover 227 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, try to cut Reggie Wayne, try to take 228 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: care of our tight end um. This team now has 229 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: the exact same thing, and if you do guess right 230 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: and you played the perfect coverage against the passing game, 231 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: the quarterback will just buy five more seconds until somebody 232 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 1: shakes open and throw the ball down the field for 233 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: a touchdown. It's it's a difficult, difficult prospect to play 234 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: these guys. You better be at your absolute best because 235 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: they can beat you when they're not at their absolute best, 236 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: because they've got game changers. You know, it's funny because 237 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: you mentioned your first overall analysis of the Chief's offense, 238 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: she talked about them being physical. The thing that stood 239 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: out to me. I felt like the running game gave 240 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: them a different level of physicality that we hadn't seen 241 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: from that offense. Based on how you guys have all 242 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: we've done it at Stanford. What is it about the 243 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: running game that answer the physical element in the identity 244 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: of your squad? There's no question about it. Every good 245 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: team I've ever been on, high school, college, NFL, if 246 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: your offensive line is eating the rest of the team 247 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: feels great. Right When those big guys are feeling good 248 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: and moving people, you can do. You feel like you 249 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: can do anything and The exact opposite is true as 250 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: well for the defense. If they can't stop you running 251 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: the football. As a defensive coordinator, you don't have answers. 252 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: If you can't stop a team running the football, you 253 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: don't have answers. And when they come off the ball 254 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: like that and they're physical and they're confident, um, and 255 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: now the play action game even has more sting um. 256 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: That's that's scary, very scary. One of the things that 257 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: I mentioned to hear from it is we've talked about 258 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: on the podcast how the NFL season this year similar 259 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: to what college coaches have dealt with for a long time. 260 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: Coming into Week one, you've got no preseason game, you know, 261 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: perhaps you've got a new coordinator on one side of 262 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: the ball or the other. You kind of you you 263 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: feel out the game as it goes along and then 264 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: all so, you know, not being in preseason games to hit, 265 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, have you got into a Week one 266 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: in your coaching career and had that kind of ah 267 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: ha moment where you're like, man, maybe maybe we hit 268 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: too much, or maybe we didn't hit enough, or you know, man, 269 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: we thought this offense that we're gonna be playing was 270 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: gonna give us this, and they gave us that. I 271 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: would just love to know that moment that you have 272 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: in the week one because I think the NFL teams 273 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: are gonna experience that for the first time. Yeah, as 274 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: you both know, I did nine years in the NFL 275 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: before I did major college football, so I was in 276 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: that preseason mentality of right, you kind of buy that 277 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: third preseason game after training camp, you have a really 278 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: good idea of who you have in college football or 279 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: in the NFL right now, without those preseason games, you 280 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: go into Game one with kind of an idea who 281 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: who you have, But it's really gonna be to three 282 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: games before you completely know, right, which which of your 283 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: veterans came back and they're not what they were last year, 284 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: Which if inventions came back and they're better than they were. 285 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: Which of your young guys that you're hoping uh make 286 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: an impact but you're not really sure because they didn't 287 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: do anything the preseason. Will those guys show up or 288 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: will they not show up? And that's the thing both 289 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: of you experienced. You know when you have that late 290 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: round draft pick, that mid round draft pick, that maybe 291 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: this is a special teams guy. Oh my gosh. By 292 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: the training camp, Like this guy's gonna start right. You 293 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: missed those those aha moments during training camp, so you're 294 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: gonna get those aha moments the first month of the season. 295 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: So daven in thinking about that because you're talking about 296 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: like those moments happening in the opening game. How how 297 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: quickly are you we're willing to change once you figure 298 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: out in a week two, week three, like we need 299 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: to kind of shift our offense, of our defensive identity 300 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: based on who we have, not based on what we 301 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: thought we had. Yeah, that's huge, that's really huge. And 302 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: and as Daniel mentioned, I played for Bill Walsh, and 303 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: Bill was the master of the West Coast offense but 304 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: also the master tinkerer. Right, we can switch and emphasize 305 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: different things week to week if we need to. Oh, 306 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: we can make big changes because the way you set 307 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: up the offense is that it's adjustable, um, which is 308 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: what we believe. Um. I think Andy read the same way. 309 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: All those guys are the same so they have to 310 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: be able to see what you have. That sometimes when 311 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: you don't have a preseason, it's gonna take three or 312 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: four games before you really completely know. And you have 313 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: to be willing to see what you have and realize, 314 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: as my dad used to always say, this is a 315 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: players league. You have to cater to your players abilities 316 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: and give them the best chance to go out there 317 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: and win the football game. There was one thing David 318 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: came up in the game last night where you saw 319 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs really trying to isolate a guard 320 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: for the Houston Texans and put Chris Jones on him 321 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: and just let him wear him out. And you even 322 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: saw it with with J. J. Watt. J J. Watt 323 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: there forget, we don't want to put him out there 324 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: with Schwartz, Let's kick him inside. We feel like we 325 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: like our matchups. They're a little bit better when you're 326 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: putting a game plan together and you go back to 327 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: I mean, think of all the great players you've had 328 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: to Standford, Christian McCaffrey's the one that jumps to my mind. 329 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: But are there certain games where you're you're trying to 330 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: find You're trying to just get our guy. This is 331 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: our key guy. We want to get him the ball 332 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: versus some other times where you might find kind of 333 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: a wal though, as me and Bucky like to call 334 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: him on the defense, the side of the ball and say, Okay, 335 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: he's gonna get a lot of it today. Yeah. I 336 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: think that's that's the balance. You have to have something 337 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: that you believe and you have to have the roots 338 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: roots of your scheme, uh in, something that you truly 339 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: believe in and as long as it's adjustable to your guys. 340 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: But absolutely every single game you find out where your 341 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: best matchups are. As you all know, we we believe 342 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: we are tidying you. We're gonna find that matchup for 343 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: Kobe Fleaner, zach Ertz, Austin Hooper, We're gonna find out 344 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: who can that guy beat. Is it a corner, is 345 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: it a safety, is it a nickel guy, is it 346 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: a linebacker? Um for Christian McCaffrey, it didn't matter right 347 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: whoever was gonna was gonna get that was In the NFL, 348 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: you've got the greatest players in the world playing a fast, 349 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: physical game. You try to find your best against their 350 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: least as many times as possible. J. J. Watt is 351 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: probably the best example because of his versatility. He could 352 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: play left in, he can play right in, he can 353 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: play stand up outside linebacker, he could play a three technique, 354 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: he can play a nose so week to week, and 355 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: I think the Texas have done a phenomenal job throughout 356 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: his career of finding those spots to to let him 357 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: get off and make make game changing plays. Yes, he 358 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: can beat your best player, but he's gonna beat your 359 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: worst player even faster. You know, Dave, I want to 360 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: happen to your skill because you've been a long time 361 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: play caller and we often hear announces throughout the term 362 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: playing complimentary ball. Where the end of the game on Thursday, Well, 363 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: in the middle of the game Thursday night, the Youthton 364 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: Textons were driving the attempt on the long field goal. 365 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: They didn't get it with twenty five seconds left, and 366 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: it gave Kansas City the opportunity to do what I 367 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: call a double score opportunity meeting. You closed out the 368 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: half with the score and you open the second half 369 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: with the score. When you're the opposing offensive coordinator or 370 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: you're the head coach, how often did you get into 371 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: the ear of the coordinators say hey, man, let's not 372 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: give them another opportunity to chalk up some points. Bucky, 373 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: That is one of the most difficult things to do 374 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: when you're playing against the great football team, right, It's 375 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: one of the toughest things to do because the the 376 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: smart thing to do. Obviously, Yes, let's let's punt it, 377 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: let's play field position, let's not give him a chance 378 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: to double up on you. And at the same time, 379 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: you're sitting there saying, Okay, if we don't score every 380 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: time we have the ball, even if it's field goal, 381 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: we're gonna be back behind. So do I make Do 382 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: I take chances at the end when I'm down by ten, 383 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: or do I take take chances early on when the 384 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: score is tied, or maybe we're up, down, up a 385 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: little or down a little. Um, that's the nuances and 386 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: and so for me, you have to pick your spots. 387 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: Are we doing well? Are we moving the ball? Um? 388 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: How are we playing on defense? If you're sitting there saying, hey, 389 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: you know what, gosh, we're we're playing great on defense. Okay, 390 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: maybe we play field position, you're sitting there saying, we're 391 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: not stopping these guys, like, we need to score right now. 392 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: Let's get three up. If we can get it, let's 393 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: take that chance. So as a play caller, you have 394 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: to kind of know how the flow of the game 395 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: is going. But at the same time you have to 396 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: realize who you're playing against, and sometimes you have to 397 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: take those chances. Dave, I'd be curious to get your take. 398 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: You talk about your time in the National Football League. 399 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: If if you looked at the quarterback position league wide 400 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: where you were last in the NF fell to where 401 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: it is now? How many how many years has it 402 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: been Dave? Now since uh, since you've been in college. 403 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: Guy's going on fifteen, So fifteen over that fifteen year period, 404 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: when you look at the landscape of the quarterback at 405 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: the NFL and obviously the college system, that that's what's 406 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: producing it, But just how much has it changed from 407 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: you know, from a stylistic skill set standpoint, what the 408 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: quarterback was fifteen years ago in the National Football League 409 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: to where they are now. That's a great question. I 410 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: would say that to two big things that come to 411 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: my mind. Um. Number one is, as you mentioned, the 412 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: influence of the college game. So you see a lot 413 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: of quarterbacks now that are under six two, Um, that 414 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: are that are mobile, that that maybe are not run 415 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: first guys, but guys that can run. Um. You see 416 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: a few some less version of the statue ask six 417 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: five Drew bledsoe gun slinger, right, you still see some 418 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: of those guys. We see a little bit few of 419 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: those guys. You've got guys a little bit more more mobile, 420 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: m more a little bit more athletic. But I will 421 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: say this too, I think you've got guys that are 422 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: a little bitless efficient. UM to take a few more 423 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: chances and UM, you know, throw the ball into coverage, 424 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: throwing the ball up. UM. I do know going through 425 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: this process, UH, the NFL Draft, which I have with 426 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: you guys for years now and talking to a lot 427 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: of coordinators that a lot of guys that interview, these coaches, 428 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks coming out, you know their understanding of the 429 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: NFL game is less than it was before. UM Reading coverages, 430 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: understanding blitz is changing protections, going from some of those 431 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,719 Speaker 1: spread offenses, which are outstanding. And there are a lot 432 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: of spread offenses in UH concepts in the NFL right now, 433 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: which is great. UM, But when you're going against Greig 434 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: Williams and you're going against Big Fangio, and you're going 435 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: in some of these guys, the variety of defenses you 436 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: see on a day to day basis, weekend a week 437 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: out in the NFL, you've got to have a more 438 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: more under better understanding of how to protect yourself against 439 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: those guys. Um, then I think you have to be 440 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: in the college. So I think the quarterback play is 441 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: a little bit different in some ways, better in some ways, 442 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: maybe not as good. But that's the biggest thing for me, 443 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: is those guys being able to diagnose from under center 444 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: or from the shotgun of how I can protect myself 445 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: so I can get this ball out of my hands, 446 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, Danny, because you're right there in the Bay Area, 447 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: You're in the back in the backyard of Kyl Shanahan 448 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 1: and San Francisco forty Niners. That quote unquote Shanahan system 449 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: has really been popularized, not only because of the run element, 450 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: but because of the way the system maybe elevates quarterbacks. 451 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: What is it about that combination of the zone running 452 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: game and the stretched bootleg or play action system that 453 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: really allows quarterback to play at a high level. I'm 454 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: not gonna be the first person to say this, but 455 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan is a play caller and and offense designer, 456 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: is up a month the best um in the NFL 457 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: right now? Um the comment, and for me it's it's 458 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: I look at it this way. The combination of the 459 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan offense and the Bill Walsh West Coast offense, 460 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: which he learned and was outstanding taken from John Gruten 461 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: and John Gruten's West Coast roots. The marriage between those 462 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: two philosophies and his little Kyle Shanahan's special sauce that 463 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: he's throwing in there over the last few years. I 464 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: think it's really really dangerous. You see quick rhythm passing, 465 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: you see screens, you see outside zone running, you see 466 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: play action, you see movements, you see some some gadgets. Um, 467 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: you see something every week off balance that it's gonna 468 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: throw it, that's gonna throw you off balance. You're gonna 469 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: see condensed formation, spread out formations, utilization of the tight end, 470 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: utilization of the wide receiving the screen game. Um, there's 471 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: so much to it, and the guys that play in it, 472 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: they're not confused, right, We've heard that over the years 473 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: some offenses. There's a lot to it, But guys make 474 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes. You don't hear that. Those what 475 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: they teach it very simply, they execute at a very 476 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: very high level and they get the most out of 477 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: the guys that they have. Um, it's a lot of 478 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: fun to watch. I'm glad you guys talked about that 479 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: because we've discussed um kind of the growth of twelve 480 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: personnel in the NFL and something you're very familiar with 481 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: and have done forever um. But now we're seeing more 482 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: and more play callers feeling like that gives them more options. 483 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: You should explain to the list there's you know what 484 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: we're talking about there, and what kind of advantage when 485 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: you have those two tight ends out there that are versatile. 486 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 1: As you said, this has been our best been one 487 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: of our our bread and butters for years, and something 488 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: you said earlier Daniels is huge. It's matchups. It's matchups. 489 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: If you've got two or three very good tight ends, 490 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: which a lot of times we'll have three or four. 491 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: If you've got two really good tight ends on the 492 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: field at the time, what is the defense's response. Are 493 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: they going to play in nickel? Are they gonna bring 494 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: take out a lineback and bring an extra defensive back. 495 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: But both of those sightings are good run blockers. Now 496 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: you've got an advantage. But now they're gonna play bass 497 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: and play with just four dvs, and now you're gonna 498 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: have to have a linebacker or safety cover a Zach 499 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: or it's covering Austin Hooper. So that puts the defense 500 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: in a very very difficult position before the ball ever 501 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: gets snapped, they have to make a decision, how are 502 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: we going to match up with this personnel? Um, which 503 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: is why you see these guys now that look like 504 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: power forward instead of flocking to the NFL over the 505 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: last decade because it's not hard for them. They put 506 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: me in a slot at six, five to fifty and 507 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: I run a four or five. Who's gonna cover me? 508 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: And if you've got two guys like that, Okay, we 509 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: might have one guy that can cover, which you saw 510 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: just to read last night, you know, and he's a 511 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: guy that can cover those guys, but you better have 512 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: two guys like that that can cover to those guys. Um. 513 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: And now now you're playing this inside game. If you've 514 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: got a receiver outside also, now is that that safety 515 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: gonna play with the top of the receiver, play at 516 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: the top of the tight end. Um, So that now 517 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: that tight end position has become more and more valuable. 518 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: It forces the defense to make decisions personnel wise. And 519 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: now you've got a match up issue. If you've got 520 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: a premier tight end. Um as a kN City Chiefs 521 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: and and the the Ft and the and the Eagles 522 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: have found out over and over again, we've got a 523 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: guy in there that you can't match up with, and 524 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna feed him the ball and you don't have 525 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: an answer. You know, it's funny today because then that 526 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: we're talking about like kind of underdo hood football stuff. 527 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: We're talking about twelve personnel. What the other thing that's 528 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: been popularized has been twenty two personnel? Or is you 529 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: and I know you person Now we have two tight ends, 530 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: two running back to tailback in the fourback and one 531 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: wide receiver. Why is that formation increasingly in popularity? And 532 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: why is it's so difficult to depend So once again, 533 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: you've got an influx of tight ends. Um, you get 534 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: big physical bodies and a lot of guys don't grow 535 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: up in high school and college playing against that that look. 536 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: So maybe for one or two plays there's a linebacker 537 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: safety that will stick his nose in there, but they 538 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: don't have a history of doing that. But on play eight, nine, ten, twelve, fourteen, 539 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: now to stick your nose in there over and over again. Um, 540 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: it's not something that they're used to doing so if 541 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: you have the guys up front to do it, and 542 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: you've got the runner um that that as as we've seen, 543 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: you know, and Daniel and I in particular, you've got 544 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: a big monster that we had in in Baltimore that 545 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: you can feed over and over again. At some point 546 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: in time, one guy is out of position and you break. 547 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: And you've seen over the years with us with Christian Caffrey, 548 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: Bryce Love, going back to Tyler Gaffney and Toby Gerhardt, 549 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: it's that carry fifteen through where if one guy's out 550 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: of position or one guy is a little bit tired 551 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: of one guy honestly just turns it down. Now you've 552 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: got a huge play for a touchdown. I think it's 553 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: interesting because a lot of people want to talk about, 554 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, the innovation of the college game making its 555 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: way to the NFL game. I feel like Stanford doesn't 556 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: get mentioned with that innovation, and yet all these things 557 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: we're talking about, you guys have been doing for a 558 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: very long time. And another example which I would love 559 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: for people to recognize this and give you some credit 560 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: for this, because we see Deebo Samuel last year in 561 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: the playoffs, especially in the Super Bowl as a runner 562 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: and what he the cause, the problems he caused. I 563 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: would love to go back when you had Tie Montgomery, 564 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: because that, to me was one of the first times 565 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: I had seen it where you had a guy on 566 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: the field and I don't know, is he going to 567 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: be a receiver? Is he going to be in the 568 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: backfield as a running back? Um, you can get him 569 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 1: the ball in a variety of ways. But when you 570 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: have that, Bucky's used the phrase that called him a 571 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: wing back, and we're seeing a bunch of these teams 572 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: trying and find that guy that you had Time Montgomery 573 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: doing that a long time. Go, Dave, what was the 574 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: thought process behind crafting that role for him? Honestly? Um, 575 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: it's like baseball they call a five tool guy, right. Um, 576 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: That's what Time Montgomery was for us. That's what Christi 577 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: McCaffrey was for us. That's what we used Charlie Garner 578 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: for John gard did a phenomenal job in Philadelphia and Oakland. 579 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 1: With a guy like Charlie Garner, you've got a guy 580 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: with so many abilities, you put him out there. So 581 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: what we did with Tie is he was a punt returner. 582 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: He was the nation's best kickoff returner. He was a 583 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: wide receiver that could go deep. He was a wide receiver. 584 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: You can throw the screens too. He could go in 585 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,719 Speaker 1: there and play the slot, and then we'd throw him 586 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: back there in the backfield as a running back and 587 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: also as a wildcat quarterback. So in any given time, 588 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: he could line up in so many different places and 589 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: do so many different things that now the defense has 590 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: to account for it for him as well as our scheme. 591 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: Where is this guy lining up? We better find this 592 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: guy once again. We did the same thing with Christian McCaffrey. 593 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: Line him up outside, line him up in the slot. UM, 594 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: let him be the wildcat quarterback. Hand the ball to 595 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: on the screen or on on a on a fly, SUEE. 596 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: Now he's a distraction, we throw the ball somebody else. UM. 597 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: Having the ability to move guys like that around, put 598 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: the ball on their hands in different locations. I think 599 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: the Chiefs also do a phenomenal job of that with 600 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: their guys. Fly sweeps and motions and counter motions and 601 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: backfield motions. UM. Some of them are eye distractions and 602 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: some of them are just Hey, we just want to 603 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: make you off balance so we can spit this ball 604 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: out to Mr Hill and see if you can catch her. 605 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, so so native. I want to 606 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: get to your Wheelhouth. As our college a coach, obviously 607 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: the pandemic has changed so much, like everyone is taking 608 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: the precautions to make sure that their players are healthy 609 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: and safe and those things. But as a football coach, 610 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: now that you're I would say, your your your body clock, 611 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: your mind is off because you're so used to preparing 612 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: your team to play in the fall. How do you 613 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 1: make those changes to now get ready for a season 614 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: that will happen in the spring. How have things changed 615 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: for you from a planning standpoint? Well, first of all, 616 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: like most head coaches, I mean, we live by calendars, 617 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: and when your calendar gets thrown up in the air 618 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: and you don't have answers for your guys, that's a really, 619 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: really difficult thing to be sitting and head coaching seat four. Thankfully, 620 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: with our with our deal with quite l um to 621 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: to get to daily testing, which is what the NFL 622 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 1: has been doing, and the NBA has got a great 623 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: system too, But for us to be able to get 624 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: back to daily testing at some point in time, hopefully 625 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: October November. Now we can see this season on the horizon. 626 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: We can actually actually this is the first time we 627 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: actually give our guys a calendar. Hey, guys, look, we 628 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: have a calendar. It might have just a little bit. 629 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: Now we we can actually start to prepare. Um. I 630 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: think our guys worked so hard over the summer to 631 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: get ready, and then we've been in this no man's 632 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: land um for about a month now. But now I'm 633 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: starting to take shape again. Guys are getting excited. UM. 634 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: I think one of the things we've done really well 635 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: as a conference, but also especially on our campus is 636 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: keeping our guys informed and letting them know that the 637 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: doctors are gonna drive this. The football coaches are not 638 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: going to drive this. The doctors are gonna drive this, 639 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: um and and give us the best opportunity to keep 640 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: them safe and play the game that we love. DAB. 641 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've had conversations with some of your players. UM, 642 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, faced with that decision, you know, whether to 643 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: go start training right now for the draft or to 644 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: just stay there and kind of follow this plan as 645 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: it's evolving. How How have those conversations gone. How difficult 646 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: of a conversation is because there's no precedent for this. Yeah. 647 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: I I take the same stance I've always taken, which 648 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: is I want to hear from the student athletes and 649 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: their families. UM, where they are, how they how they're feeling. 650 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: I don't tell them what to do, but I give 651 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: them guidance, UM my my experience as an NFL evaluator, UM, 652 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: where I think they stand. Um. I I contact people 653 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: that I know in the in the business, both both 654 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: with you and guys that are are NFL team. So 655 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: I give them the best information I can so they 656 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: make the best decision I can, and then I support 657 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: them whatever they want to do. I'm with them, um, 658 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: as you all know. And we go we sitting everybody's 659 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: living room, and we we we talked about bringing them 660 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: to Stanford. We're gonna do what's best for your student athletes, 661 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: best for your son, your daughter, your grandda, your grandson, 662 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: your whole family. UM. So we we give them guidance, 663 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: and then we we listen to their decisions and we 664 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: go with them and support them and wish them the best. 665 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 1: So I think we've got a great system. We've got 666 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of great guys, as both of you know. UM, 667 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of our guys are making 668 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: the right decisions. David, I think will certainly be the 669 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: test of adaptability and flexibility. And so you've kind of 670 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: talked about the players giving them the information and then 671 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: you as a coach and you're coaching that being very 672 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: fluid with how you operate. Um, how challenging is it 673 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: to kind of operate in this no man's land where 674 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: you don't really know which players you're going to have. 675 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: You're trying to map out your quote unquote preparation, scheduling 676 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: what you may want to do. One of those staff 677 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: maybs like you guys when you're trying to talk juff ball. Yeah, 678 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: we Uh, it's been tough. There's been some some evan 679 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: flow where we've kind of backed off the football a 680 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: couple of times because we're sure when that season was 681 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: going to point to go. And one of the things 682 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: you always have to be careful of is collective fatigue, 683 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: UM as a as a leader, as a leader of people. 684 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: And we when the season was eminent, we ramped up, 685 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: ramped up, and when the season was imminent, then we 686 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 1: ramp back down, right, because you can't stay at that 687 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: fever pitch for a long time because your guys will 688 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: get they'll they'll get tired, and when the time comes, 689 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: they won't be able to go. So we've backed off 690 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: the last few weeks. Now that we have the the 691 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: pot of gold looks like it's at at the end 692 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: of the rainbow. We have a clear vision of where 693 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna be. Now we can start that slow ramp 694 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: up back in so we can peek at the right time. 695 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: And as you guys know, I mean you have to 696 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: peek at the right time. You can't peek too early 697 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: because you won't be able to sustain. You can't peek 698 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: too late because then you'll be back behind. So for us, 699 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: now we've got an idea of a calendar, so now 700 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: we can start to ramp our guys back up. So 701 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,959 Speaker 1: must time to play football. We'll be ready to go. 702 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: And one of the cool things about the football world 703 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: as it is such a tight knit community, and in 704 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: the coaching fraternity even more tighten it. And I don't 705 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: think many people know that, So I would love if 706 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: you could just explain a little bit about your friendship 707 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: and relationship with Dabo Sweeney, because I don't think people 708 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: would look at that on the surface and say the 709 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: style of play, the personalities, like how how does that? 710 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: How did that friendship come together? And and uh and 711 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: how special has that relationship been for you guys? Well, 712 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: you know you're grateful to to Phil Knight and Nike. 713 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: Will we go on a Nike Football coaches trip and uh, 714 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: just as soon as we got there, you know, we're 715 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: in transit getting to the hotel. Just happen to sitting 716 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: next to Dabbo his wife Kathleen. Just happened to sit 717 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: next to my wife Corey, And independently we're having these 718 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: conversations and it's one of those deals. It's almost like 719 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: when I met you guys, you kind of we kind 720 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: of talk a little bit, talk a little bit, then 721 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: you realize that you're really talking like a lot of comedy, 722 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: Like we see things very similarly. And halfway through where 723 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: the trip that when I were looking at each other 724 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: like we believe a lot of the same things. And 725 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: the way I am for me once again, like I 726 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: am with with you two guys. If your heart is 727 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: pure and you're doing this thing for the right reason, 728 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna open my ears to you. I'm gonna open 729 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: my heart to you I'm gonna I'm gonna let you in. 730 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: Dabble is one of those guys. His heart is on 731 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: his sleeve every single day. He is faith family football 732 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: and no question about it. Um. He is honest, he 733 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: is open. He'll take critics is m and take it 734 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: in stride and say shoot your arrows at me because 735 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: this is who I am. UM. And I really appreciate that. 736 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: There's there's no falsity in there, There's there's reality, and 737 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: I think he felt the same thing for me, Um 738 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: that we care about our guys. It's not just football 739 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: all the time. Although we love the sport, Um, we 740 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: have a lot of the same idiosyncrasies. We we hate 741 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: that our our family family members steal our socks and 742 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: our socks and just happened to be the exact same 743 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,479 Speaker 1: and we're telling you some thing, and our wives initials 744 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: are exactly the same also, which is crazy. But we 745 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: saw a lot of commonalities and just just I appreciate 746 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: people that doing doing this job as hard as it is, 747 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: as crazy it is, but they do it with the 748 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: right reasons and they do it with integrity. Dave, I 749 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: can't let you go without talking to you about like 750 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: team building, and culture building. I've seen your ted X 751 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: talks and the way that you've kind of presented and 752 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: talking about why football is important. Um, but if you 753 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: were to just give like a two or three minute 754 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: uh synopsis on the culture that you have been a 755 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: part of establishing at Stampard whenever late to the football team, 756 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: just kind of let me have it, let me have 757 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: this feel So for me, and once again, I'm a 758 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: Stanford alone, I'm a Stanford guy. So for me, I 759 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: go look up words the dictionary. So the first time 760 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: I ever had to talk about culture, I looked it 761 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: up in the dictionary, and of course there's a bunch 762 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: of different definitions. The definition that I really clung to 763 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: is I'm in a paraphrase here right, I can't say verbatim, 764 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: but the it's a group of people that have shared 765 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: practices and beliefs. So if you start with that, now, 766 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm not bringing people in to change them into my beliefs. 767 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: I try to bring people that in that believe the 768 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: same thing that we believe. So we're bringing the guys 769 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: to Stanford that believe in being great on the football 770 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: field and great academically and responsible socially. So as long 771 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: as we bring in the right guys, we will organically 772 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: have the right culture. Um. So many guys, I think, 773 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: in my position and head coaches positions, they sell it 774 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: so much publicly that we're going to change the culture. Well, 775 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: a set of rules doesn't change culture. Um, a big 776 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: personality doesn't change culture. Bringing in the right people changes 777 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: the culture. Right, which which may of us have been 778 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: a part of on different teams. When you've got your 779 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,959 Speaker 1: culture set, which is having the right group of human 780 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: beings around you, and you bring in somebody that's maybe 781 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: halfway in between, I call it positive peer pressure. Right. 782 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: That's how you get that guy in line. That you 783 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: don't give the guy set of rules and say do this, 784 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: or I'm gonna find you, do this, I'm gonna cut you. 785 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: That guy's gonna be whoever he is. But now he 786 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: comes in and says, well, everybody's walking this way, everybody's 787 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: talking this way, everybody's doing the right things. Well, I 788 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: get I better get in line or I'm out of here. Like, 789 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,919 Speaker 1: it's not it's not the rules that I said, it's 790 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: the guys that we have. So for me, you focus 791 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: on the people, not the rules, not the set of guidelines. 792 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: You focus on the right people. When you have the 793 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: right people, your culture is how you wanted to be. 794 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: But that's fantastic. That the last question for me, Dave, 795 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: because I'm just curious. We're going to be challenge trying 796 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: to evaluate guys for the draft, right with some plans 797 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm not playing some opting out the whole thing. It's 798 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: gonna be a very challenging year from an NFL evaluation standpoint. 799 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: From a recruiting standpoint, you're dealing with a lot of 800 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: those same things with with some of these high school 801 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: kids not having a false season. If you're trying to 802 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: learn about the right people, not just what they are 803 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: on on the field, but trying to learn about them 804 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: as people. You know what, what are some of the 805 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: things that can help us in terms of trying to 806 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: get to know those guys? What are you trying to 807 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: what are you trying to do to figure this whole 808 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: thing out the creek front. Yeah, so I'm not I'm 809 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 1: not telling any secrets out of school. I tell anybody 810 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,919 Speaker 1: that asked me this, um uh, and I don't. I don't. 811 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: It's fine with me. Of other people adopt this practice, 812 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: I think it's great. Um. We don't just talk to 813 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: football coaches and recruits. We talked to family members, We 814 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: talked to the counselors, we talked to people at the school. 815 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: Um and for Stanford University. When we walk into the 816 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: school and you see this Stanford on our on our polos, 817 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: everybody in school should know who we're coming to see. Yeah, right, 818 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: everybody should say, oh, we know who you're coming to 819 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: see because this guy stands out in the classroom, he 820 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: stands out on the football field, and he stands out 821 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,919 Speaker 1: as a leader in our school. Right, which is which 822 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 1: is once again, we've been fortunate enough to to build 823 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: at Stanford to where people know that we're coming from 824 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: their for their best guy off the field, their best student, 825 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: and their best guy on the field. Um. So that 826 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: that's the thing is is we it's not just a 827 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: pure football evaluation. You know, we talked to the counselor. 828 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: We need to hear the counselor say, oh, that's one 829 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: of my favorite students. You know, we talked to a 830 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: teacher and like, oh, yeah, I knew you were here 831 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: to see him, because this is why X y Z. 832 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: We want to hear that he's a leader. We want 833 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: to hear that he has high character right the football stuff. Hey, 834 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: you guys have been evaluating football for a long time. 835 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: It doesn't take a lot of place. Right, four or 836 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 1: five plays, you probably really much. You probably really know 837 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: and if you're not sure, it's probably not the guy. 838 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: But when you hear those other things, that those other 839 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: contexts from other areas of their lives, that's when we 840 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,959 Speaker 1: know who to zero in on. That's why we offer 841 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: the fewest amount of scholars hips every year because all 842 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: those things have to come together for Stanford to come 843 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: knock him. Oh, that's fantastic there, You've been very generous 844 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: with your time. I said that was the last one. 845 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: But due to the fact that our boss is a 846 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: huge golf fan. Have you talked to Tiger lately? How's 847 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: Tiger doing. We haven't spoken in a while. We've texted 848 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,879 Speaker 1: a few times, uh this this past year, and there's 849 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff going on. We have lot of 850 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: stuff going on. He's got a lot of stuff going on. 851 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: He's a huge Stamford football fan, and our entire team 852 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: we're huge Tiger Woods fans. We root for each other. 853 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: I know he tries to make it to a game 854 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: a year when possible, so we're looking forward the next 855 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 1: time he gets a chance to stand on our sidelines. 856 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Hey man, thank you so much for your time. 857 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna do this again real soon. It's uh, it's 858 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: something that's it's weird for all of us with the 859 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: calendar being the way that it is, but it's a 860 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: nice benefit for us to get a chance to the hall, 861 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: aright you today. Thanks for your time, man. Great to 862 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: see both, Yeah, Buck, it was great to catch up 863 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: with coach. And you can just tell, man, he's just 864 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: he combines everything that's right about football. He's just a 865 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,720 Speaker 1: man of extremely high character. He's he's a brilliant football mind, 866 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: and he's just somebody that's it's comfortable and who he is. 867 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: I mean, he talked about his relationship with dab both 868 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: Sweeney and how they just they are who they are 869 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: and they're very comfortable with that, and that's one of 870 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,479 Speaker 1: the reasons why we've got along well for so many years. Yeah, man, great, 871 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: great coach and I and I can say that like 872 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: he he is great. His dad is also an outstanding coach, 873 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: outstanding mentor, uh to me, and and I just believe 874 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: that like David just understands it at a different level one. 875 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: Just thinking about this, he had a chance to play 876 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: for Bill Wash and then he plays for him, so 877 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: he really understands the pure form of the West Coast offense. 878 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: He's seen kind of the mastermind at work when he 879 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: talks about the adaptability and flexibility, ability to tinker and 880 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: change and make wholesale changes if necessary. But he then 881 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: goes and works with John Gruden. You saw him there 882 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: with Brian Billy. He has been able to kind of 883 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: continue to learn and then he has an opportunity with 884 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh to rebuild Stanford and takes it to another 885 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: level after he takes over for Jim Harbaugh. So what 886 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: he's been able to accomplish in his career is nothing 887 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: short of spectacular and just understanding who he is and 888 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 1: what he believes from a football standpoint. I think you 889 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: feel that confidence when he talks about the game. Yeah, 890 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just again he's just a great communicator. 891 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: So it was great to catch up with him. Um, 892 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: we've seen some contracts come in recently. We saw Jalen 893 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: Ramsey get huge money and blew out the corner market 894 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: and now as we're discussing this morning. Uh, looks like 895 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: Stefan Gilmark got himself a little more money as well. Yes, 896 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: stefro and Gilmore has his contract adjusted where he bumps 897 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 1: up from ten and a half million to fifteen point 898 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: five with incentives that can push it up to seventeen 899 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: and a half million. That will put him right at 900 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 1: the Judavious White mark. Now Jalen Ramsey getting the big 901 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: money putting him at twenty a year. Those things, I 902 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: think what we're seeing, and I think it's it's something 903 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: that you and I have talked about the positions that 904 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: have now gone over the twenty million dollar mark. Obviously quarterback. 905 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,720 Speaker 1: We have seen defensive end slash outside linebacker, edge rusher 906 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: over twenty million. We've seen defensive tackles, particularly pass rushing 907 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: defensive tackles get that. We've seen wide receivers get over 908 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: that mark. We've seen offensive tackles get over that mark. 909 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,919 Speaker 1: And now we've seen cornerbacks. So everything that we've talked 910 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: about for the last five or so years has been 911 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: about the National Football League being a passing league. Were 912 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: the one thing to know where the league is trending, 913 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: follow the money. The money is telling you the positions 914 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: that everyone values the most when you're building a championship team. 915 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: It is the same things that we've talked about, quarterback, 916 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: offensive tackle, offensive playmaker, which is namely a wide receiver, 917 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: and then on defense, people that can hunt the quarterback, 918 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: defensive end, defensive tackle, and then someone that can shut 919 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: you down on the outside at cornerback. Those are the 920 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: ones that are in the twenty million dollar club. And 921 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: so like it or not, that's the way people are 922 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: paying players. And that's what we got to grow accustomed 923 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: to seeing. You know, I was thinking about who this 924 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 1: sucks for. It sucks for the unicorns, the guys that 925 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: are at at one of the positions that's not a 926 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: marquee position, but are so much better than everybody else. 927 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: Because the way the salaries go up is you have, 928 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, one contract builds upon another. So when you 929 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: have you know, six or seven elite players, maybe your 930 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: number six on the list, but when your time comes up, 931 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: you vault to number one, and then the next guy, 932 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 1: it just it keeps building. I could think about George Kittle, 933 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: and I think about George Kittle where his money is 934 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: buck for me? I he's a twenty million dollar a 935 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: year value like with what he brings, but there's no 936 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: other tight ends with that skill set that can help 937 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,840 Speaker 1: launched and build on that. You know, Kelsey's is a 938 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: is a great player, um, but there's not enough of 939 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: them and you don't have enough of them, so they 940 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: never get to their true value because the teams have 941 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: all the negotiating power because they can franchise. You had 942 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: all these lower numbers. Yeah, that and that's the thing, 943 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: and that s what's unfortunate for George Kittle. And we'll 944 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: throw Travis Kelsen, but also Zach Erks is gonna be 945 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: in that conversation. I say that Kiddle is different than 946 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: those guys because to me, kitto tackle half have tacko 947 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: half playmaking wide receiver. Those those other guys are what 948 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 1: I called jumbo wide receivers in a tight end body 949 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: like that, That's what they are. That's that's how you 950 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: should compensate them. But it does make it very very interesting. 951 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: And now the guy who I was curious to see, 952 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,760 Speaker 1: like when it was time to pay um Derwin James, 953 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: Jamal Adams, like how teams were gonna view that safety position. 954 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: Derwin James with the injury, UH changed the conversation a 955 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: little bit Jamal Adams based on how he plays, but 956 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 1: the way that is going now, there's a clear divide 957 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: on how teams value certain positions. On defense, it is 958 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: about getting to the passer and being able to cover 959 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: the number one receiver, and on offense is about protecting 960 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: the passer, giving the passer an explosive option on the perimeter, 961 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,760 Speaker 1: and then having a passer that can make it happen. 962 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: And so um. I think when decision makers stick to 963 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: the high standard for what it is required to make 964 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: that amount of money, I think they'll be fine. But 965 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: you can't pay the next quarterback forty million dollars just 966 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 1: because he's due that, and Deshaun Watson and Pat Mahomes 967 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: are at their mark. But I do think it brings 968 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: about an interesting conversation with two guys, Lamar Jackson and 969 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. Lamar Jackson is in the conversation because you 970 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: can look at Pat Mahomes and say all the great 971 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: things about Pat Mahomes and how Pat Mahomes has basically 972 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: revolutionized a position with the numbers that he's put up. 973 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: You can make the same argument in a different way 974 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: for Lamar Jackson. Second year m VP, the numbers that 975 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,840 Speaker 1: the Ravens offense is put up, or whatever the trick 976 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 1: will be. When Lamar Jackson's people come to the table 977 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: and they say we want Pat Mahomes type money forty 978 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: million dollars, do the Ravens say, Okay, yeah, we'll do that, 979 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 1: but we'll do that on a two or three year 980 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: term so we can protect ourselves from his style of 981 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: play and the durability issues that can come up with 982 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 1: the approach. It like that for Dak Prescott, if I'm 983 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 1: his representatives, I make the argument with Deshaun Watson, Hey man, 984 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,320 Speaker 1: it's great to Deshaun Watson is at thirty million dollars 985 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: thirty nine million dollars, but hey, let's look at his 986 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: accomplishment based on Dak Prescott. Deshaun Watson has only had 987 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: one season over four thousand yards that was at forty 988 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,399 Speaker 1: one hundred. His record and winning percentages about sixty. Dak 989 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 1: Prescott is at st. Dak Prescott has a forty hundred 990 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: yards season under his legend with a couple of playoff berths. 991 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 1: So now when you're at the table, you can't say no, no, no, 992 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,879 Speaker 1: that I can't pay you that because his people would 993 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 1: push the numbers across and say, if DeShawn Watson gets this, 994 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,440 Speaker 1: how come we're not at this same thing. I just 995 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: think it makes for a fascinating discussion when we get 996 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,399 Speaker 1: to that mark for those two guys, in particularly, not 997 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 1: necessarily the other guys that come behind. Yeah, it is 998 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see what happens. To me, I've 999 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: said it from the beginning. They're gonna they're gonna a 1000 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 1: little bit overpay for Dak now and you're gonna feel 1001 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,280 Speaker 1: just fine about it in the future, or you're gonna 1002 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: wait and you're gonna have to pay through the nose 1003 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: man Buck, I think he's gonna be the MVP of 1004 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,720 Speaker 1: the league. People people kill me on that on Twitter, 1005 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: by the way, when I look at what he has 1006 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: around him, and I think Dak Prescott has a legitimate 1007 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,399 Speaker 1: shot to be the m v P of the National 1008 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,560 Speaker 1: Football League. And you didn't pay him, You're gonna it's 1009 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: gonna cost them so much more money because he still 1010 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: has the leverage of the franchise tag in his favor. 1011 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,320 Speaker 1: The franchise tag pays him a hundred over what the 1012 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: deal value is. And so now with Pat Mahomes, and 1013 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,720 Speaker 1: Watson coming in, the tag goes up, and so it's 1014 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: just to me, it's still it is better to pay 1015 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,799 Speaker 1: someone a year too early than a year too late, 1016 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 1: because the value never goes down. DJ just think about 1017 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,840 Speaker 1: this eighteen months ago, how crazy we thought it was 1018 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 1: that Jimmy Garoppolo was sitting at twenty seven and a 1019 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,320 Speaker 1: half million dollars. Was with Kirk Cousins. We said it 1020 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: with Kirk Cousins were like that, it's gonna don't freak 1021 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: out about this. The number is gonna go flying past that. 1022 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: It's now it's a bargain basement deal. It is crazy 1023 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: that you would sit on the side and not pay 1024 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 1: the quarterback. And so Sam Donald, Baker Mayfield and those guys, 1025 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: if they show any symbolance of being ready to pop, 1026 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,319 Speaker 1: you already gotta right to check. And you just have 1027 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 1: to be willing to listen to to ignore all the 1028 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: outside noise that's telling you, oh my god, you're over paying, 1029 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 1: when we just know that as as soon as we 1030 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,879 Speaker 1: got to forty million, the next market is forty five. 1031 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: Then someone who's gonna get to fifty And so that's 1032 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 1: just the way that it's going to go. It's crazy. 1033 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 1: It makes you think about where we're gonna be fifteen 1034 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,799 Speaker 1: years from now. You know, the quarterbacks making ninety million 1035 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: a year. I mean, it's it's crazy, right, It's crazy. 1036 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: Um So here, here's my other conversation I want to 1037 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: have with you before we get out of here today. Um. 1038 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 1: I was talking to U League personnel guy the other 1039 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,320 Speaker 1: day and he said, if you look at the numbers, 1040 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 1: and we could have Jack and Research pull us up 1041 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: for us. But if you look historically over the last decade, 1042 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: you see about sixty I think it was mid sixties 1043 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: of number of undrafted free agents that make teams. Okay, 1044 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,160 Speaker 1: this year it was low thirties, something we all predicted 1045 00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 1: and talked about. Because he's undrafted free agents, we're not 1046 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 1: gonna get the same our tunities in preseason games and 1047 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,840 Speaker 1: in the lack of an offseason. They're all being stashed 1048 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: on practice squads. So if you think about it from 1049 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:12,320 Speaker 1: this standpoint, there are thirty ish thirty plus roster a 1050 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 1: bold talents, right roster worthy talents, and this could we're 1051 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: talking about. I mean, I just doing the charges you 1052 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 1: talk about. Austin Neckler is an undrafted free agent. I mean, 1053 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,919 Speaker 1: like Priest Holmes back in there all you know, Kurt, 1054 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,720 Speaker 1: one of all these guys, zillion up Hall of Famers, 1055 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,879 Speaker 1: undrafted players, there are NFL starting quality players out there. 1056 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: So if you're a team and you get off to 1057 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,839 Speaker 1: a one in three start oh and four start, buck, 1058 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,359 Speaker 1: it's an easter egg hunt man to me, because those 1059 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,000 Speaker 1: guys are on practice squads. There's thirty NFL starting or 1060 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 1: NFL caliber players littered on practice squads right now, so 1061 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 1: you might as well go. We're gonna bring in four 1062 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: of them. We're gonna keep them for a month, and 1063 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: maybe we keep one, maybe we don't keep any, but 1064 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,880 Speaker 1: then we're gonna cycle those out. We're gonna bring in 1065 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 1: four more. We're gonna try and find those easter eggs 1066 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,080 Speaker 1: where they're located. Yeah, DJ, I think, uh this you 1067 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 1: more than ever And I'm curious, man, I really, I'm 1068 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,880 Speaker 1: really hopeful that the NFL continues to have like the 1069 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: six team player practice squad because I think the savvy 1070 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:13,799 Speaker 1: team builders those last five spots revolving door a month 1071 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,320 Speaker 1: and month least. When we signed you on practice squad, 1072 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: don't don't don't sign for the long term, because we're rolling. 1073 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 1: We're rolling these guys in and you're right, you want 1074 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: to kick the tires on as many. But but those 1075 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,280 Speaker 1: guys buck, you'd have to put them on your actual roster. 1076 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 1: To pluck them off of a practice squad, you gotta 1077 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: roster them on your fifty three. So that just make 1078 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,399 Speaker 1: the space. Yeah, you have to. You have to make 1079 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: the space. And so not only am I doing that, 1080 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 1: but it's almost like an apprenticeship program, right DJ. So 1081 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,120 Speaker 1: you also you're turning over the bottom part of the 1082 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 1: practice squad because you're trying to identify guys, and then 1083 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 1: you're also turning over the bottom part of your active roster. Now, 1084 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,879 Speaker 1: some of that may be the escalator where it goes 1085 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 1: up and down from guys practice squad to active roster, 1086 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 1: but some of that is a kicking the tires on 1087 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,680 Speaker 1: outside guys. And with the six unlimited spots for the veterans, 1088 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,880 Speaker 1: I just think we're going to see more movement on 1089 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,239 Speaker 1: that developmental chain than we've ever seen before. Yeah, it's 1090 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,560 Speaker 1: it's fascinating to me. And that you just think, if 1091 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,759 Speaker 1: there's some diamonds in the rough that are out there, 1092 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,799 Speaker 1: um and you've got to find them. Now, one of 1093 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 1: the ways that you probably do that is you have 1094 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,719 Speaker 1: to rely on your college grades, right, you know, you 1095 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,080 Speaker 1: go back and say, Okay, who are our highest rated 1096 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,600 Speaker 1: players we had coming into the draft process that are 1097 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,479 Speaker 1: on practice squads because you just you'd like to believe 1098 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,879 Speaker 1: in your evaluation that maybe those are the guys most 1099 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 1: likely to be those diamonds in the rough. You know, 1100 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 1: I think I think that's it. You really don't have 1101 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: to work in sync with your college seaman that look. 1102 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: The pandemic creates an opportunity for everyone to unify their 1103 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,279 Speaker 1: scouting department. I think now you have to give some 1104 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,359 Speaker 1: of those tasks at would usually fall just to your 1105 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: pro scouts. I think you have to find a way 1106 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: to keep your college gouts engaged, Like, yes, they can't 1107 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:53,680 Speaker 1: go on the road, and yes they need to get 1108 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 1: ahead and make sure they look at their players, but 1109 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,319 Speaker 1: I think you can't involve them more, particularly since we're 1110 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,000 Speaker 1: working in a virtual world. I think you have to 1111 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 1: involved in more, particularly when it comes to looking at 1112 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 1: those practice why candidates. Yeah, it's interesting at so many 1113 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,880 Speaker 1: different storylines this year. Uh in the NFL. Uh, anything 1114 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 1: you've got going on? You're working on this week? Buck? 1115 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,080 Speaker 1: What do you got? No? We we we naturally touched 1116 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 1: on it. I talked about Claude it was a law 1117 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 1: in the Scouts notebook, and then also the conversation about 1118 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,560 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, then Dak Prescott being next up when it 1119 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,600 Speaker 1: comes to the contracts, like what does that look like? 1120 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 1: And so we had that discussion. That's what I'm talking 1121 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,920 Speaker 1: about this week in the notebook NFL dot com Slash 1122 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,560 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. You can find the notebook there. Um, I've 1123 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,480 Speaker 1: got the new YouTube channel. I'm trying to do some 1124 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 1: some rookie ratings on a weekly basis there, so it's easy. 1125 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 1: Just YouTube dot Com Slash moved the sticks. It's easy 1126 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,160 Speaker 1: to find. So I'm doing just eight of them, so 1127 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm not going beyond that. I have to do a quarterly. 1128 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,719 Speaker 1: I do a quarterly one for NFL dot com, which 1129 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,879 Speaker 1: is twenty five rookies every quarter. Many too many, it's 1130 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,839 Speaker 1: a bit, it's a bit much. I like e eight 1131 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 1: is a nice number for me. And I can do 1132 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,399 Speaker 1: the nice little Brady bunch of video with the little 1133 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,440 Speaker 1: boxes there, so you can check that out. Um, I 1134 00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,000 Speaker 1: think that's gonna do it for us. Man, it was great. 1135 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,040 Speaker 1: I want to thank Coach Show again for joining us. 1136 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,000 Speaker 1: Uh really a fun conversation. Today football is back. We 1137 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,759 Speaker 1: could not be more excited. We've got college football kicking 1138 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: off tomorrow with some of the better teams, so we'll 1139 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 1: see that. Wait a chance to recap some of that 1140 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,200 Speaker 1: next week as well. Inspired by on going conversations with players, 1141 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,320 Speaker 1: NFL launched NFL Votes to empower and improve our communities 1142 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,040 Speaker 1: by exercising the right to vote. Join the NFL family 1143 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,080 Speaker 1: by registering to vote today and make your voice heard 1144 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,959 Speaker 1: this November. 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