1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: Hi again everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The I watched it begin again. Addition, 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: as the Bengals emerged from their bye week looking to 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: climb over five hundred for the first time this year 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: as they face the San Francisco forty nine Ers coming up, 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: Dave Lapham joins me to discuss a wide variety of topics, 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: including the state of the offensive line, the possibility of 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: trading for a tight end, and what he'll say if 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: he runs into Joe Montana in San Francisco. I'll talk 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: to safety Nick Scott, who faced the forty nine Ers 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,639 Speaker 1: nine times in the last four years, and we'll hear 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: from Brian Callahan on jump starting the Bengals offense after 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: the bye. The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to you 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: by pay Corps, Proud to be the Bengals official HR 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: software provider, by Alta Fiber future proof fiber Internet designed 16 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: to elevate your home, own business, and community to a 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: new level, and by Kettering Health the best care for 18 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: the best fans. Kettering Health is the official healthcare provider 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: of the Bengals. Now here's a quick reminder that you 20 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: can have the latest edition of this podcast delivered right 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: to your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing wherever you 22 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. It's the greatest thing since fall golf. 23 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: My golf season basically ends when Bengals training camp begins, 24 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: but I had the opportunity to play this weekend because 25 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: of the bye, and I was reminded of how enjoyable 26 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: it is to play this time of the year. The 27 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: fall foliage was spectacular, as the leaves were various shades 28 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: of yellow, orange, red, green, and brown. The course was 29 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: mostly empty since a lot of people put their clubs 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: away after Labor Day, and the temperature was cool but comfortable. 31 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: The only negative was my play from the thirteenth hole on. 32 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: For the first twelve holes, I was a stud. For 33 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: the last six I was a dud. Now let's get 34 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: the football, beginning with my conversation with Dave Lapham. Now 35 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow is fully healthy, or at least close 36 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: to it, do you expect the offense to take off? 37 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: I do you know? I think it maybe not right away, 38 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: but I do think that it'll ramp up fairly quickly, 39 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: and it's a ripple effect with Joe being able to 40 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 2: move around. I mean, the protection will be better, defenses 41 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: will have to honor more things, and honestly, it'll help 42 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: the running game because right now, people are crowding the 43 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. You know, they don't feel like the 44 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: Bengals are going to attack the deep cordiners of the 45 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 2: football field, and every time they take the field it's 46 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 2: like they're in the red zone, of the low red zone, 47 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: it seems like. So I think a healthy, close to 48 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: one hundred percent Joe Burrow is going to make a 49 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: huge difference, a big ripple effect, I think offense. 50 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: Are there other significant issues though that haven't been talked 51 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: about much because we've all been so focused on Joe's calf. 52 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, can the running game be better? Heck yeah, 53 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: I mean there's no question. I was looking at it 54 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: during the bye week and they're being out rushed by 55 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: seventy three yards. That's the worst in the league teams 56 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: out rushing an opponent. They're average per care the efficiency 57 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: part of it, they're minus a yard and a half 58 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: worse than the league. So, you know, the numbers don't lie. 59 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: I mean, the running game hasn't been there. The efficiency 60 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: of the running game hasn't been there. They're going to 61 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: have to, you know, make it at least something that 62 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: defenses have to consider. You know, it's it's going to 63 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: have to pick up the pick up the pace there 64 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: as such, and whether it's tweaking a schematic or evaluating 65 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: what you're doing, how you're doing it, with whom you're 66 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: doing it. That's what the bye week was all about. 67 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: That's what you spend time doing the those kind of 68 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: things for. So hopefully they obviously got their due diligence 69 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: done there and we'll see what the outcome is. 70 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: Along those lines, Brian Callahan discussed the possibility of having 71 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: Burrow under center more now that his calf is better. 72 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: Do you think that would significantly help the running game? 73 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,799 Speaker 2: I think yeah, I think that that is a that's 74 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: definitely a factor. I probably they've been under center half 75 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: a dozen times in the first six games. I mean, 76 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 2: it's crazy. I think that that will at least give 77 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: the defense something else to think about. And plus I 78 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: think the play action game would be much more effective 79 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 2: that way too, if in fact, you do show that 80 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: you're serious about running the football when Joe's under center, 81 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: can't be an automatic talent can't be like every time 82 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 2: he's understand to running the football and every time he's 83 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: in the shotgun and he's throwing the football. I mean, 84 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: peebe football coaches would jump on that pretty quickly. So, 85 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: but having a mix and being able to have more 86 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: than one thing for defense to think about and prepare for, 87 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 2: I think is an advantage. 88 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,559 Speaker 1: I checked out Pro Football focused grades. Through six games 89 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: this season, Four of the five starting offensive linemen have 90 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: grades in the sixties, which is okay, not great, not bad. 91 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: The one exception is Cordell Vohlsen, with a grade of 92 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: forty eight point two. His pass blocking grade is twenty 93 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: three point five. How much of that is due to 94 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: the guys that he's faced and how much of that 95 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: is his level of play. 96 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: I think it starts with who he's faced and a 97 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: young player, and he's still a young player. You know, 98 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: when you're going against guys that are that good, you 99 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: start to question yourself. You know, it's like, man, all 100 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's saying, am I doing the right thing? 101 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 2: And then I've been there where you watch tape and 102 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: it's like, did I really do that? You don't even 103 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 2: realize you're doing it. It's almost like fight or flight time. 104 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: So you're not gonna fly fly, gonna fight. And when 105 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: you get overly aggressive and forget about your techniques and 106 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: it's like, all right, well he whip my, but I'm 107 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: gonna go kick his butt right now. Well, you can't 108 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: throw out you know what you're supposed to be doing 109 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: and how you're supposed to be doing it, and and 110 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 2: it's it's not it's not super obvious, but all all 111 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: is a little bit more of a lean. When you're 112 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: trying to be a little bit more aggressive or get 113 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 2: your hands on a guy sooner, you know that that's 114 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 2: the that's the panic mode I remember, is like all right, 115 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: well I'm gonna get my when I could use my 116 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 2: hands when they finally liberalize it, I'm gonna get my 117 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,559 Speaker 2: hands on the guy. Sometimes, you know, when you're trying 118 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: too hard to get your hands on a player who's 119 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: that elusive and combine speed with power and uh you know, 120 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,559 Speaker 2: have quickness and short space quickness and all that everything 121 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 2: goes along with it, those guys are hard to block 122 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: and and so I think I think that's his biggest issue. 123 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: And that's the thing with pro football focus that I've 124 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: said over and over again. They don't factor any of 125 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: that in. You know, there's no learning, there's no grading 126 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: curve on that. You know. So it's like if you 127 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: play against the number one interior defensive lineman and the 128 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: league and Aaron Donald and he's one A and Simmons 129 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: is one being. You get him back to back weeks, 130 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 2: that's an adventure, and you know that's that's something that 131 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: can be hard to deal with. I think the buy 132 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: will do him good. Get away from it for a while, 133 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: you know, clear your head, come back with an idea 134 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: that I'm going to start. I'm going to start from 135 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: square one again and I'm going to do the building blocks, 136 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: and I'm going to get in my routine of exactly 137 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: what I have to do step by step from a 138 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: fundamentals and technique standpoint, and I'm gonna I'm gonna block 139 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: my ass off for the last living games of the season. 140 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: Orlando Brown Junior heard his growing in the Tennessee game, 141 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: played through it, played the next game against Arizona, and 142 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: then early in the most recent game against Seattle, he 143 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: tweaked it and sat out the rest of the game. 144 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: Were you surprised that Cody Ford was the guy that 145 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: took his place at left tackle. 146 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: You know, I didn't have an idea that that's where 147 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: they were, that's where they were, you know, putting there 148 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: too deeps. But from watching him, remembering how he played 149 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: at the college level, you know, I guess not really. 150 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: I mean, he came out of Oklahoma as a pretty 151 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: highly graded tackle, his second round pick, higher pick than 152 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: Orlando Brown was coming out of Oklahoma. So Orlando didn't 153 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: have the greatest Pro day. But yeah, Cody Ford, he 154 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: has he has some abilities, he has some natural power. 155 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: I mean, he's a very physical dude. I thought he 156 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: acquitted himself pretty well. I thought he did a darn 157 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: good job in there when he when he went in 158 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: there for Orlando Brown. So it's the National Football League. 159 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: If you show up and you show that you're the 160 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 2: guy on on a more consistent snap by snap basis 161 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: and the coaches start to gain some confidence in what 162 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: they're seeing, you're gonna get your shot. He got a shot, 163 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 2: and he was ready to take advantage of his opportunity. 164 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: And that's you know, that's a credit to him as well. 165 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: You never know what's gonna happen, and you don't think 166 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: it's gonna be with Orlando Brown necessarily, and he went 167 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: out there and just kept his composure, kept his poise 168 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: and executed his assignments. 169 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: Orlando Brown Junior, by the way, says he will play 170 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: this week at San Francisco. Let's turn the tight end. 171 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: Irv Smith Junior has been dealing with a hamstring injury. 172 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: He's only played in four out of the six games. 173 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: It's unfair to make a determination on his status in 174 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: terms of, you know, whether it's a good signing or 175 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: a bad signing, whatever, but it is fair to say 176 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: he has not produced much in the four games that 177 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: he's played in. Are you wondering if he is a 178 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: good fit in this offense? 179 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: From what I saw, you know, in the early stages 180 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: of OTAs in training camp, it was almost like, yeah, 181 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 2: this will be good now, this this looks like it's 182 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: gonna it's going to be a good fit because I 183 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: mean this is a pass offense. It's a pass first offense, 184 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: and he's a receiving tight end more so than a 185 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 2: You don't think of HERR Smith Jr. As man. He's 186 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 2: a He's a dominant guy in the edge, you know, 187 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: as a blocker. You think of him is almost like 188 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 2: he's another wide receiver, big body, wide out at the 189 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: tight end position, and that's what I was looking for 190 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: with him. I thought he was gonna, you know, have 191 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: a very big season with Joe Burrow and get on 192 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 2: the same page pretty quickly. But you know, hamstring issues 193 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: and injuries and whatever have curtailed that. Hopefully he's in 194 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: a situation where he has the bye week is the 195 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: is the final piece of allowing him to get totally healthy, 196 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: because you know, hamstrings can be tricky too, depending on 197 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: where his pull is. If it's up high by his buttocks, 198 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 2: those are a pain in the box. If it's in 199 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: the middle of his hamstring, you know, that's another less issue. 200 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: If it's down by his knee, then that's even less 201 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: of an issue. Mild hamstring. I think his is one 202 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 2: of the other two. I think his at least mid, 203 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 2: maybe high. But with the bye week, hopefully that's the 204 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: final necessary time that he needs to get back to 205 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: not having to be an issue whatsoever when he's out 206 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: there trying to run full till. 207 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: The Bengals historically have not given up draft picks to 208 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: get players at the trade deadline, but history doesn't really 209 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: seem to apply in the Joe Burrow era. They've done 210 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: a lot of things that they did not do in 211 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: the past. If you could add a tight end without 212 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: giving up, say a first three rounds draft pick, so four, five, six, 213 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: or seven, would you do it? 214 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: I'd have to think about it, you know, I'd have 215 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: to consider it depends you know what tight end the 216 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 2: tight end that is available, and you know, if it's 217 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: not given up a first, second, or third round er, 218 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: you know what's the talent level of that tight end. 219 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: I at this point, I would explore every option from 220 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 2: a personnel standpoint that there is to explore. And I 221 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: know they do that, and you know, I mean a 222 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: lot of fans, Oh, that's just a waste of time, 223 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: that's an exercise of futility. Well, there's always going to 224 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: be the occasion where somebody becomes available that you didn't 225 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 2: think was going to be available, and you didn't do 226 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: your due diligence, you didn't do your homework, and other 227 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 2: people took advantage of it because they did. And you're 228 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 2: sitting there saying, only if you know I had done 229 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: a little bit more so, I think at this point 230 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: and burning the midnight oil going through every possible scenario 231 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: that they can think of. And now are they making 232 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: phone calls and trying to initiate things? I don't think so, 233 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: But I think if they they're preparing themselves, if in 234 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: fact they were to get a phone call and not 235 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 2: get caught totally by surprise by that phone call and 236 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: what that phone call was going to be talked about, 237 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think you got to get 238 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: that done for the organization the least. 239 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: Here are some tight end names that have been mentioned 240 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: as possibly being available on the internet, and as we know, 241 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: the Internet is never wrong. Zach Ertz former Bengal c 242 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: j Uzama, Hunter, Henry, Mike Kasicki. Henry and Gasicki are 243 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: both of the Patriots, and Darren Waller has been mentioned. 244 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: I think that one's a pipe dream personally. But how 245 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: about those other names? And I have no idea what 246 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: the other team would want they might want to pick 247 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: in the first three rounds. But of those other names, 248 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: does anybody really pique your interest? 249 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 3: You know? 250 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: I mean all of them would be somebody that I'd 251 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: want to take a look at and see how they're playing. Now, 252 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: see how they're playing. You know, currently, some guys may 253 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: not have as big a role. That's why they might 254 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 2: be available for whatever reason. I don't know. There's many 255 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: reasons that guys fall out of favor. Some of it 256 00:13:54,360 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 2: is obviously physical they're aging or slowing down or whatever 257 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: the case may be. Sometimes it's just personality conflicts or 258 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: issues that happen around the league. I mean, everybody's human 259 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: and human beings don't all get along all the time, 260 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: and that occurs as well. But yeah, I mean you'd 261 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: have to look at what those guys are doing, what 262 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 2: they're capable of doing when you look at them on tape, 263 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: and see if it fits what you're going to be 264 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: asking you're tight end to do. And like you said, 265 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: it takes two to tango. I mean, you may have 266 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: one value in mind and the team that you're trying 267 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: to pull the deal with, Like you're kidding me. I 268 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: was thinking more along these lines, and it's like you're 269 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: light years apart and can't work a deal out. 270 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: All three teams in the AFC North won this week, 271 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: So the Bengals are a game and a half behind 272 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: Baltimore and a game behind Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Want to 273 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: start with Pittsburgh. The Steelers are twenty eighth in rushing yards, 274 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: twenty fifth in passing yards. They're ravaging seventeen points a game. 275 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: It must be a great defense, right. They're twenty eighth 276 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: in rushing yards given U they're twenty fifth in passing 277 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: yards allowed, exactly the same as their offense. They're giving 278 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: up even more points than they're scoring twenty one points 279 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: a game. How are they foreign too? 280 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin the Magician, I mean, I don't. That's a 281 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: hell of a question. I mean, I look at them. 282 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: They're being out rushed. The efficiency of the running game 283 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: is not in their favor in terms of yards per carry. 284 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it's like they're being outscored. The Bengals have 285 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: been outscored by twenty seven points. They've been outscored, you 286 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: know as well. You know Bengals have a plus five 287 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: turnover ratio. Off the top of my head, I can't 288 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: remember what Pittsburgh's is. I know it's plus, but I mean, 289 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 2: they don't they must be winning field position battles, what 290 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: is it? I mean, it is amazing that they're pulling 291 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: victories out, like they pull out every single close game 292 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: though seems to go their way. They seem to have 293 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: an unbelievable confidence that they can finish that football game. 294 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: They're going to make plays down the stretch. They're going 295 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: to ultimately win them a football game. You know, when 296 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: the rubber meets the road and a play has to 297 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: be executed, they figure out a way to get it done. 298 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: It It is mind boggling. Mike Tomlin and his never 299 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: having a losing season record. I guess the football gods 300 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: are buying it, man. I mean, it's it really is. 301 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: It's a tribute to him, really attribute to the way 302 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: he gets his players to think and believe. Every player 303 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: that has come here from Pittsburgh they can't say enough 304 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: good things about Mike Tomlin. I mean, it's it's unbelievable 305 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: how his players. You have to have respect, and if 306 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: you don't have that, you know you have problems. But 307 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: when you have love and respect, that's a that's a 308 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: combination that's hard to beat. And his players love them 309 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: and they totally respect them. And I don't think that 310 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: there's a coach in league that can claim a better 311 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: relationship between himself and his players. 312 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: The Browns are also foreign too. They got a big 313 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: assist from the officials in Sunday's win over the Colts. 314 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: They're four and two. To me is easier to understand 315 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: because at least until the Colts game, their defense had 316 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: been unbelievably good. But now they've got these questions with 317 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. He was checked for a concussion against the Colts. 318 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: The doctors ruled him fine and said he could have 319 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: gone back into the game, and they did not put 320 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: him back into the game. Is that strictly because of 321 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: the shoulder injury that he's been dealing with. Was it 322 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: because of how poorly he was playing? Do you think 323 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: they've got a major problem there. 324 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,239 Speaker 2: That's the biggest mystery in the league right now. I 325 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: think was he one for five? I think in that game. 326 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: One for five with an interception and another should have 327 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: been interception that was thrown right to a guy in 328 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: the Colts and he let the ball hit the ground. 329 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it wasn't he was cleared medically. Was it 330 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: his call? Was that the organization and coaches call not 331 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: to put them back in? Was there collaborative call? It is? 332 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 2: It's a There hasn't been any definitive word. It's a mystery. 333 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: It really is a mystery. I wonder if you know, 334 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 2: when they watched him go one for five with the interception, 335 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: it's like his throwing motion just doesn't look right. Yet, 336 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 2: you know, maybe we need to even if you did 337 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: pass the concussion protocol test, he did get dinged, you know, 338 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: maybe it's better that we we go with Walker. But 339 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 2: that is that's a that's a very interesting one right there, 340 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: because if they if they get consistently good quarterback play, 341 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: a football team will be something serious to deal with. 342 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: So it's off to San Francisco this week. The forty 343 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: nine ers are five and one. They play on Monday 344 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: night against Minnesota. Before they lost last week in the 345 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: rain in Cleveland, I thought the forty nine ers were 346 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: the best team in the NFL, did you two? 347 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: I did? I mean, just looking at you know, before 348 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 2: this game tonight, the game has decided on the scoreboard, 349 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: their second in the NFL and scoring their second in 350 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 2: the NFL in points without They've outscored the opponent by 351 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 2: ninety seven points in their first six football games, including 352 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 2: you know that lost to Cleveland. But I mean they 353 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 2: were putting up the lowest point total that they had 354 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 2: scored before the Cleveland debacle was thirty I mean they 355 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 2: had scored thirty three times, scored thirty five against Arizona 356 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: and forty two against Dallas, and then Cleveland holds into 357 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: seventeen points and Rock Purty comes down to earth a 358 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: little bit. But I mean his numbers are still staggering. 359 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: He's got a plus nine ratio touchdown interception, ten touchdowns 360 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: in the top ten. I think it's tied for eighth 361 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 2: right now before the game only one interception, tied for 362 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: the fewest. That plus nine ratio is the best in 363 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: the league. So he's taking care of the football. And 364 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: you know they're plus eight number one in the NFL. 365 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: And turnover ratio, I mean there's not a category, whether 366 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: not top five, never mind top ten. I mean they 367 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 2: to me, it was crazy how dominant they've been. Now, 368 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: their rookie third round draft picked kicker let them down 369 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 2: with a forty two yard miss. They could have won 370 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: that football game against Cleveland. Man, I wish he had 371 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: made that bad boy. But yeah, they're they're they're playing. 372 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 2: They're playing at an extremely high level. I just think 373 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 2: Shanahan's running game is unbelievable, unbelievable. It's so creative, and 374 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: you know they're there, they're second in the league. And 375 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 2: yards per play, they're second in the NFL. And rushing, 376 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 2: they're averaging four and a half yards on like over 377 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: one hundred and forty yards rushing per game. And he 378 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: does it in such a creative way. I do think 379 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: that Fortunately for the Bengals, they saw Seattle, whose run 380 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: game is kind of similar to what Shanahan's doing in 381 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: San Francisco. But there's, man, there's a lot of misdirection, 382 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 2: there's a lot of motion, there's a lot of a 383 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: lot of things that his whole thing is try to 384 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 2: get linebackers and safe, these eyes distracted, you know, and 385 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: and make them think a little bit too much. He's 386 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: he's a hell of a coach and he's got He's 387 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: got seven players, four on offense, three on defense that 388 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: are All Pro. Seven of them not just Pro Bowlers. 389 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: The Pro Bowl you make you're the best in your conference. 390 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: Then to the other level is they select an All 391 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 2: Pro from those all conference teams. They have seven guys 392 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: that have made have made All Pro. From my count, 393 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: it was Trent Williams at left tackle, George Kittle at 394 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: tight end, Deebo Samuel and some of these guys Williams 395 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: has the ankle issue, Deebo Samuel's shoulder issue, and McCaffrey 396 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: with the oblique. But that's all three of those. All 397 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 2: four of those guys, McCaffrey, Samuel, Kittle, and Williams all 398 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 2: been All Pro offensively defensively, one at each level. Nickosa, 399 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: who is Defensive Player of the Year last year, Fred 400 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: Warner at linebacker, and Yufanga at the safety position second 401 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 2: year player out of USC seven ball Pros's. That's a 402 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 2: roster of talent coached by a very, very creative, detail 403 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: oriented football coach. 404 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: Final question, and this one's critical. On Sunday, when you 405 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: get into the elevator at Levi Stadium and you're heading 406 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: to the broadcast booth, if Joe Montana steps on that elevator, 407 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: what do you say to him? Why? 408 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 2: Why? Joe? I mean, couldn't you just give us one? 409 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: I'll tell you I would. I would look at him 410 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: and say, man, you're the best. Got to tip my 411 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: cap to you, and then vomit all over his shoes. 412 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: If I see Lappin Joe Montana getting on an elevator together, 413 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: I'll be waiting for the next elevator. 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As a member of the Rams 422 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: for the last four seasons, he faced San Francisco twice 423 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: a year, and it was three times in twenty twenty 424 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: one when the Rams beat the Niners in the NFC 425 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: Championship Game. But here's the catch. That was the only 426 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: time during nicks four years in LA that the Rams 427 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: beat San Francisco. The Niners won the other eight games. 428 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: You've seen the forty nine ers plenty from being in 429 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: that division. As media members, we think we know and 430 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: makes that attack so difficult to defend all the movement 431 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: and so forth. But describe it from your perspective. 432 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 4: One of the things that the forty nine ers do 433 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 4: extremely well is they kind of they have an identity 434 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 4: and they played at our identity every single game. They 435 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 4: don't switch up for anybody. They kind of have the 436 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 4: mentality of you gotta play us, and that's kind of 437 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 4: what I felt and saw being in LA playing them 438 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 4: twice a year, and it's something that they do well. 439 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 4: They're extremely tough, they know what their quarterbacks do well, 440 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 4: and they stick with it. So it's gonna be a 441 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 4: tremendous challenging. You know, I like you. I like my 442 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 4: odds a whole lot better being here with the Bengals, 443 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 4: just because I think our identity aligns a little bit 444 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 4: more with with how they like to play. And that's 445 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 4: just tough football and just you know, making teams feel 446 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 4: like they got to go through us. So it's gonna 447 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 4: be a good matchup. 448 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: If there are any brock Per already doubters still out there, 449 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: I'd be surprised. He's basically got a full year now 450 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: of showing close to elite play. Yeah, what are your 451 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: impressions of him? 452 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 4: Like I said, he's a he's a guy that you know, 453 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 4: credit to him and what he's done and how he 454 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 4: came in the league, and you know how he's taking 455 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 4: the league by storm. And I think it's also a 456 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 4: credit to their coaches and their coaching staff, which is 457 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 4: honing in on what he does really well and making 458 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 4: sure that's a focal point of that offense. So it's 459 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 4: worked out for him. You know, hopefully we can just 460 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 4: as a defense do the best we can to make 461 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 4: sure he's not comfortable in the pocket and knocking balls 462 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 4: down and making sure things are contested. 463 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: Is there a position group that's most stressed by Kyle 464 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: Shanahan's offense. 465 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 2: Ah, that's a good question. 466 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 4: I would I would say it's it's it's top to bottom, honestly. 467 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 4: I know. You know their run game, they like to 468 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 4: attack those sea gaps and you know, create with and 469 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 4: get going downhill and everything like that, which puts stress 470 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 4: on whoever those ends or outside linebackers are. We got 471 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 4: two great and three really a lot of depth on 472 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 4: the d line, so it'll be a great challenge for them, 473 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 4: and then also who they got their skills players. McCaffrey 474 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 4: poses a challenge for linebackers and corners and safeties alike, 475 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 4: as well as Debo and a UK. So they just 476 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 4: got a lot of talent. But you know, we got 477 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 4: a lot of talent on this defense as well. We 478 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 4: got guys that are super competitive and guys that look 479 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 4: forward to challenges, so we're gonna we're gonna meet them, 480 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 4: you know, with open arms. 481 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 2: They bring it on. 482 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: Look for a while on Sunday, like you guys might 483 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: get some help from the Rams and the Colts against 484 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: the Steelers and the Browns. And obviously it didn't work 485 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: out that way. Was it a bummer to see how 486 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: those games finished? 487 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's it's one of those things where 488 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 4: it's like it just a little bit of a bummer, 489 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 4: you know. But at the end of the day, you know, 490 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 4: we look at who's on our schedule and everything is 491 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 4: in our control if we want to, you know, be 492 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 4: above the Steelers at the end of the year. We 493 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 4: got opportunity to beat them twice if we want to, 494 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 4: you know, have a good shot at division. We got 495 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 4: another opportunity at the Ravens and the Browns. So yeah, 496 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 4: I guess in a sense, you never want to take 497 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 4: the easy way out. But if somebody could do your 498 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 4: dirty work for you, that have be nice every once 499 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 4: in a while. But you know, we we we relished 500 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 4: the opportunity to take these teams on it and get 501 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 4: them out the way ourselves. 502 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: The first place Ravens will be in Arizona to face 503 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: the one and six Cardinals on Sunday. The Steelers have 504 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: a home game against the five and two Jaguars, and 505 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: Cleveland has a tough road game in Seattle against the 506 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 1: four and two Seahawks. The Bengals, of course, beat the 507 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: Seahawks their last time out, thanks to an incredible red 508 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: zone performance by the defense that offset a fairly lousy 509 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: outing for the offense. As Zach Taylor put it after 510 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: the game, it's better to win ugly than lose pretty. 511 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: But later that night, offensive coordinator Brian Callahan had a 512 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: hard time enjoying the win. 513 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 3: I was on my couch last night, you know, watching 514 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 3: it on iPad, just fuming like it's you know, there's 515 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 3: just too many We had too many good coaches, too 516 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 3: many good players to not play to our standard. 517 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: Aside from Jamar Chase, who is on a pace to 518 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,239 Speaker 1: have one hundred and forty two catches that would be 519 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: thirty more than t J. Hushman's out his team record 520 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: for a single season, nobody else on offense is having 521 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: a stellar year. 522 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 3: Missing throws, We've dropped some balls, We've give up some sacks. 523 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of a everyone's at a moment 524 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 3: in the barrel if you will, So you know, just 525 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 3: need overall better consistency allows us to score more points. 526 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 3: I mean, we haven't haven't done as good a job 527 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 3: as I think we're capable of doing. 528 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: Fortunately, Joe Burrow is no longer the statue of liberty 529 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: that he was in the first four weeks. In his 530 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: last two games, Joe completed seventy four percent of his passes, 531 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: with five touchdowns, two picks, and a passer rating of 532 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine. At this point, can we safely 533 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: say that Burrow is back to normal? 534 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 3: If he's not normally, he's pretty close, thankfully. That's that's 535 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 3: a good thing and an obviously a handful of days 536 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 3: off the rest and should put him in a pretty 537 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 3: good place comeing out of buy. And that was always 538 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 3: the hope and the goal to get to this point 539 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 3: where he was feeling like pretty close to normal. Obviously, 540 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 3: the Baltimore re injury or whatever you call it, has 541 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 3: set us back a little bit, but you know, we 542 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 3: found a way to fight and claud a three and 543 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 3: three and hopefully not coming out of the buy, he 544 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 3: feels like himself. 545 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: The bye week should help t Higgins ribs, IRV Smith's hamstring, 546 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: and Orlando Brown Junior is growing as well. As for 547 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: the running game, Joe Mixon's on a pace to rush 548 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: for one thirty seven yards, but he's only averaging three 549 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: point eight per carry with a long run of twenty 550 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: two yards. 551 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 3: We get was blocked a lot, and you know, we 552 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 3: don't get a lot more than that, and sometimes we 553 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 3: get our four and five yards and we're okay with 554 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 3: that most of the time, but it makes it hard 555 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: to run for a lot of yards when you run 556 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 3: like that. 557 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: It will be interesting to see if the Bengals lighten 558 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: the load on mixing and get the ball to rookie 559 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: Chase Brown more after the bye. He ran a four 560 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: four three forty at the combine and is the fastest 561 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: running back on the roster. Chris Evans has averaged nearly 562 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: ten yards to catch in his NFL career, and perhaps 563 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: he can provide more production on swing passes out of 564 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: the backfield. This much is certain. With a healthy Burrow, 565 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: there's no reason why the Bengals shouldn't have one of 566 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: the top offenses in the NFL. They were seventh in 567 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: the league in scoring last year, upgraded their offensive line 568 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: and have most of their skill position players back except 569 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: for Hayden Hurst and some I JP Ryn. The remaining 570 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: schedule includes six teams that are currently in the top 571 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: ten of the NFL in scoring. Francisco, Buffalo, Kansas City, Jacksonville, Baltimore, 572 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: and believe it or not, Indianapolis. The offense needs to 573 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: improve and improve now. 574 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 3: We're as talented as anybody in football. I believe in 575 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 3: the guys that are on our roster. I believe in 576 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 3: the guys on offense. I think we have an outstanding quarterback, 577 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 3: and I think we're good enough to be any team 578 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 3: in this league. And you see there's there's teams that 579 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 3: have had moments this early part of the year. It's 580 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 3: it's not just us. I mean, there's there's team it's 581 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 3: been hard on offense for for some teams. And it 582 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 3: doesn't make it an excuse, but it just shows me 583 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 3: that we're as good as anybody. We can beat anybody 584 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 3: that we line up against the play, and I have 585 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 3: a ton of confidence and our guys be able to 586 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 3: do that. And we just have to correct the mistakes 587 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 3: and stop stop doing things that are hurting drives and 588 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: I feel very good about our ability to turn turner 589 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 3: turn our performs around. 590 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: Here's a quick reminder to join us for our Bengals 591 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: radio shows this week. On Wednesday night from six to eight, 592 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: will be at of Varsity Sports Bar and Grill in 593 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: Anderson Township for the Bengals Game Plan Show. Our special 594 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: guest in the first hour will be wide receiver andre 595 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: Yosi Vash. 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