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Speaker 1: What is up? Welcome to another edition of the NFL

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Live Podcast. It's been your main m G. Marks Grant,

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Speaker 1: alongside the Fantasy Hall of Famer Michael Fabiano and the

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Speaker 1: Fantasy viper Graham Barfield. So Antonio Brown, Uh feet, man,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk some hard

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Speaker 1: knocks at the end of the show. But gross, gross, dude,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I did gros I was on

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Speaker 1: uh t A last night and and kind of poopoo

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Speaker 1: his attitude and the move from Pittsburgh to Wakland and

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Speaker 1: those guys still on the show seems to love him.

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Speaker 1: But of course I am getting cold feet. Oh man.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to drafting Twitter, I think it's worn

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Speaker 1: that joke out of it it. Really, I didn't see it.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was one original, one of the one

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Speaker 1: of the best A B memes I've seen. Knows like

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Speaker 1: someone when he was on the cover. I guess they

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Speaker 1: had like the frost bite technology. Yeah, apparently there's frost

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Speaker 1: bite technology in the Man game that he was in.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know what happen. There's some sort of

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Speaker 1: then that the meme is like, I guess this is

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Speaker 1: the new level of man cards. It's gone. It's gone

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Speaker 1: that deep now man. Uh yeah, I mean we'll talk

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Speaker 1: it's all weird. I still think the whole thing is comedy. Uh,

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Speaker 1: big show for you. Today we will do a quick

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Speaker 1: preseason week two preview. Some things to watch there mentioned

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Speaker 1: the Hard Knocks preview or review I guess say for

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Speaker 1: episode two and uh special guest today, the one and

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Speaker 1: only Evans Silva will stop by the podcast and he

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Speaker 1: will chat a whole bunch of things with us. He's

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Speaker 1: it comes to this sort of stuff, so you should

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Speaker 1: get on board and check that out as soon as possible. Normally,

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Speaker 1: we go behind the glass and talk to our faithorite

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Speaker 1: producer seenor Edward l. Murphy Esquire, But Murphy's on his

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Speaker 1: way back home. He's going back to New York for

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Speaker 1: a few days. So instead we got Steve Manny behind

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Speaker 1: the glass. Steve, what's going on? Man? What's going on?

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Speaker 1: It's a fantasy draft week for me, and I've been

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Speaker 1: spending all week getting ready for it. But I've been

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Speaker 1: planning like the bachelor party aspects of it, So I

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Speaker 1: don't know anything about hurt me out. So you've been

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Speaker 1: You've been getting the food and the beer and the beverages. Correct,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go down to Anaheim this weekend. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: catch the fights. We got a whole, a whole weekend plan.

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Speaker 1: But I haven't thought at all out who to pick

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Speaker 1: or you know, all those important aspects. Where are you picking?

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Speaker 1: I was the last guy outside of the playoffs ten

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Speaker 1: team leagues, so that would make me fifth. That would

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Speaker 1: make me sick. No, that made me fifth. Yeah. It's

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Speaker 1: a good spot this year because you kind of get

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Speaker 1: bit of smattering of the whole adp blend when you

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Speaker 1: pick right smack dab in the middle. Did you ever

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Speaker 1: stop to think that they made you plan all this

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Speaker 1: other stuff on purpose so that you didn't have time

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Speaker 1: to focus on We rotate this on a yearly basis.

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Speaker 1: We've never done it out in l a. Uh, we're

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Speaker 1: just kind of worked out. So it should be pretty

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Speaker 1: cool Friday night. All the guys are coming in and

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Speaker 1: uh man, it's gonna be a fun weekend. That's like

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Speaker 1: the best part about fantasy football for me. Yeah. Absolutely, So, Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: hopefully we appreciate you sitting in first of all, for

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Speaker 1: Eddie and helping us out with this. But hopefully if

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Speaker 1: you sit and you listen to us, we won't confuse

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Speaker 1: you too much and you can pick up a few

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Speaker 1: things that will help you out with your draft. Cool,

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Speaker 1: let's do it alright, So I think we've gotten all

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Speaker 1: that out of the way. Let's do some news. Oh,

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Speaker 1: the Andrew Luck watch continues. Man, it just it just

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Speaker 1: definitely get into this with Evan Silva and get his

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Speaker 1: But fabs, it just it's getting harder to keep the

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Speaker 1: was Jacoby Bursett, And this has got a domino effect,

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Speaker 1: right because it's not just gonna involve Andrew lux fantasy value,

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Speaker 1: not Andrew Luck under center Marlon Mack as well to

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Speaker 1: I do feel like at quarterback it's not Listen, Luck

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Speaker 1: the position is so ridiculously deep. But where do you

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Speaker 1: it's pretty simple. There's just so many good quarterbacks this year.

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Speaker 1: There's no reason to really take take on that risk

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Speaker 1: because Blage is getting so much attention. Yeah, it's not structural. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not young, but he's twenty nine years

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Speaker 1: He's a pass catching back who I would not be

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Speaker 1: surprised if he finished in the top fifteen in PPR

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Speaker 1: leagues at running back this season. Uh. Other running back news,

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Speaker 1: Damien Harris is quote clearly behind Sonny Michelle in Patriots camp.

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Speaker 1: know James White is still the safest pick. I mean

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Speaker 1: performance may be impacted by by the by the injury, right, Evan,

427
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 1: I think one of the things, because quarterback is so

428
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 1: deep this year, you don't have to take Andrew Luck

429
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Speaker 1: at an injury discount this year, even even though like

430
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: we're expecting you to play at less in week one.

431
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 1: You don't have to take him because the quarterback is

432
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: just so so deep this year, you know, get away

433
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: from from the quarterback spot a little bit. Uh. Antonio

434
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: Brown obviously is my in the news. I think the

435
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: whole thing is comedy because I think, you know, when

436
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: when it's all said and done, he's going to play.

437
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 1: His feet are nasty, dude. Did you see it on

438
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: our docks last night? It's disgusting. Man, They're legitimately gross.

439
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: I mean, but where are you ranking him? Where are

440
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: you feeling comfortable drafting him right now? Yeah? So there

441
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 1: are concerns that go beyond the fact that you know

442
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: this guy is you know, this guy is dealing with

443
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: some sort of a foot infection or whatever. I don't know.

444
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: Some people say it's frost By, other people say it's

445
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: not frost By. I don't know, you know, um, but

446
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: there are other concerns. I think that that it's a

447
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: significant downgrade from Ben Roethlisberger to Derek Carr. First of all,

448
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 1: we see a lot of receivers when they change teams

449
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: in the off season. You know, there's there's an initial

450
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 1: in that first season with the new team. Um, you know,

451
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's become a situation where you want

452
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: to put a red flag on that receiver because that

453
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: we see that bust a lot receivers changing teams in

454
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: the off season. And then you add to the fact

455
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 1: that they have they have had what thirty minutes together

456
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: to practice so foreign training camp. You know, Uh, Derek

457
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 1: Carr has never been an aggressive downfield passer. That's one

458
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: thing that Ben Roethlisberger. He's been top ten in the

459
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: NFL each of the last four years in percentage of

460
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: passes thrown twenty plus yards downfield. Never before in Derek

461
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: Carr's career has he been hired in sixteen UM, and

462
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: last year he was actually dead last. Now you can

463
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: point to the receivers that he had, you know that,

464
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: and I understand that, but you know, he he really

465
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: throughout his career, year over year, has not been an

466
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: aggressive downfield passer. UM. Antonio Brown was really carried last

467
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: season and by the fact that he scored his his

468
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: yards per target and his yards per route run we're

469
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: both seven year loads last year and he was really

470
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Speaker 1: carried by the fact that he had a career high

471
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Speaker 1: in league high fifteen touchdown catches. I mean, how many

472
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Speaker 1: touchdowns are you projecting for Antonio Brown going to the Raiders?

473
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Speaker 1: You know, I like five and a half, six and

474
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Speaker 1: a half maybe. I mean, this is I don't think

475
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a team that lights up the

476
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: scoreboard from a scoring standpoint. And then yeah, so, I

477
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: mean there's there's just a bunch of different concerns here

478
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: that go beyond this weird stuff that is happening with

479
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: his feet and with the helmet. And I mean, you

480
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: you you start to let question the guy's sanity and

481
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: if Antonio Brown isn't getting the ball from a quarterback

482
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Speaker 1: that you know, has been like a checkdown artist for

483
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: most of his career, you know, how how are these

484
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: things gonna How are these things gonna go? You know,

485
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: I mean it's a situation I'm avoiding fast and I

486
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: know that you are too. Yeah. I mean I got

487
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: into this argument last night on NFL Total Access that

488
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: Maurice Jones, Drew and Shawn O'Hara they but they attacked me,

489
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: uh because they just like to do that and it's

490
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: fun to debate with them. But I talked about some

491
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: of the points that you had just mentioned further Steelers

492
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: were first in past attempts last year the Raiders were sixteen,

493
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 1: they were four and offensive plays the Steelers were fifth

494
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: and there were You can't people, people have to understand

495
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: the NFL is the ultimate team sport. Okay, And you

496
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 1: can't underestimate the report that Ben Roethlisberger Antonio Brown had together. Okay,

497
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: Big Ben knew where a B was going to be

498
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: every time he ran a route. Okay, Big Ben knew

499
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: that even if AB was getting double covered, triple covered,

500
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Speaker 1: he could throw the damn ball up into the air

501
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: and there's a good chance Antonio Brown was coming down

502
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: with it. Now that rapport is not existent with Derek

503
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 1: Carr right now, and people people forget about that. And

504
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: I have a B right now thirteen. I may move

505
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: them up a little bit. We'll see what happens, depending

506
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Speaker 1: on what goes on with the t Y Hilton and

507
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck. But right now he's an end of the

508
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: second round, beginning of the third round pick and and

509
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: the touchdown regression is guaranteed. Like if he has eight

510
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Speaker 1: touchdowns in this season, that's a good sea sason for

511
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown. How many Raiders wide receivers have we seen

512
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: in recent years put up huge numbers. How many raiders.

513
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: What happened at Mary Cooper when he was in Oakland?

514
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: He sucked, he was terrible, and then he goes to

515
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: Dallas and he turns to do a top ten Fantasy

516
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: wide receiver. And I think people have to remember that

517
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: as well. Uh. Looking talking to Evan Silva established the run,

518
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: you know him, find him on Twitter at evans Silva. Um.

519
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: Obviously everybody loves Nick Chubb for for good reason, um,

520
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: because of what that offense can do. This year. What

521
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: has kind of puzzled me, Evan, is that people seem

522
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: really high on Kareem Hunt. I mean, I'm seeing his

523
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: name come off the board in the eighth or ninth round,

524
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: and uh, tell me if I'm wrong. That just seems

525
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: like a really expensive price to pay for a guy

526
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Speaker 1: that that you're gonna have to just sit on for

527
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: eight or nine weeks this year. Yeah. I look, if

528
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: you play in a league where you have like five

529
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: or six bench spots, he's entirely undraftedble. I don't even

530
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Speaker 1: think that Chris Herndon, who's gonna be out until week

531
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: six because he's got the four games suspension and he's

532
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: got the early season by I don't even think you

533
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: can have him. So I think you certainly can't draft

534
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt. It has to be like in a specific format,

535
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: you have to at least have eight bench spots, probably

536
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: more likely like ten um, because you're gonna have to

537
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: stash him through you know, several waiver wire cycles and

538
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: very very valuable waiver wire runs like early in the

539
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: season when we don't know as much as we think

540
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: we know, and there's gonna be some surprises, and you know,

541
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: there's gonna be league winning guys to pick up off

542
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: the waiver wire within the first month of the season.

543
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: And I mean, who's gonna be the first guy to go,

544
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, off your bench if you if you're if

545
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: you have a five or six man bench, it's gonna

546
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: be the guy who wasn't even gonna play until week ten. Um.

547
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: And you know, Kareem Haunt still needs to get reinstated.

548
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: The Haslums have talked about this. They d Haslum, the

549
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: wife of Jimmy Haslum, was saying that, Um, it's not

550
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: even a guarantee that he gets reinstated. He's eligible to return,

551
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: but he all still has to you know, stay out

552
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: of trouble and um, you know, do the right things

553
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: and show the league that he's you know, got everything

554
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: squared away. So that's not even a guarantee. I think

555
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: you can take him like in a best Ball league.

556
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean he should not be getting drafted

557
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: in any leagues. I would say, anywhere in the five

558
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: or seven man bench. Just you can't even draft them

559
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, Evan, I'm not a fan of taking

560
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: eight straight zero's either, especially especially in shallow Eventually he's

561
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: and not only that, like Nick Chubb is is so

562
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: so good and so awesome, Like there's no guarantee that

563
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: Hunt when he does come back and rejoins the Browns,

564
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that he's going to have like some

565
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: sort of locked in role where we feel comfortable starting

566
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: in our fantasy lineups. I'm fully with you. I'm I

567
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: pretty much I've never drafted Cream Hunt this summer or

568
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: don't intend to it all. One thing I've thoughticed you've

569
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: been talking about, Evan, and I know you you study

570
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: this obviously, maybe as much or more than anybody else.

571
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: The rise of twelve personnel on the field right basically

572
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: the one running back to tight ends. It seems to

573
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: be the thing that is in vogue for the folks

574
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: who are are kind of paying attention to this thing.

575
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: I mean, are there teams you've identified that are doing

576
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: it a lot and doing it well right now? Well,

577
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: the Colts did well last year and they were very,

578
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: very flexible. Like when when Jack Doyl was in, they

579
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: were a heavy too tight end team, and then when

580
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: Jack Doyl went out, they were heavy eleven personnel, three receivers.

581
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: So you know, they're kind of one of those teams

582
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: that you really appreciate the way that they call plays

583
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: because they just adjusted their personnel. You know, some offensive

584
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: coordinators will just say, oh, well, I'm gonna ruin my scheme,

585
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, but but these guys actually adjust their their

586
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: offense and their personnel packages to fit their personnel, which

587
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: makes plenty of sense, right, makes complete sense, But not

588
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: everyone does it. Uh twelve personnel that the team that

589
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: ran at the highest rate last year, of course, was

590
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: the Eagles. Um, you know, I don't think it's necessarily

591
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: has like a big fantasy impact. You know, it's more

592
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: of like a real life discussion because you know, just

593
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: because the Eagles ran the most twelve personnel last year.

594
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: That didn't mean the Dallas Goddard was you know, a

595
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: big time fantasy factor. And when, um, when when Jack

596
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: Doyle was healthy along with Eric Ebron, you know, they

597
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: kind of like cannibalized each other. You couldn't really you

598
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: didn't really love using either of them. I mean Eric

599
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: Eric Ebron. When when Jack Oyl was out last year

600
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: average eight point eight targets per game, which is sensational

601
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: for a tight end. But then when Jack Oil was

602
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: in he everage four point four targets per game and

603
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: he was barely usable. You know, you had to like

604
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: luck into a touchdown, which, of course last year did

605
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: happen more often than not. Um. But yeah, I mean

606
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: that's it's it's a really interesting, like kind of wave

607
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: of the future, real life thing for football, definitely. I mean,

608
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: I think you and Warren Sharp have talked a lot

609
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: about twelve personnel this offseason. I noted in my team

610
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: previous column that the Cults used twelve personnel on thirty

611
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: percent of their past plays when Jack Doyle was healthy.

612
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: That was the third highest clip in the NFL. But

613
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: you're right, it doesn't necessarily have an impact on fantasy,

614
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: you still have to know how these players are used

615
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: and will just use the Eagles for as an example,

616
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: like zach Ertz is typically not the blocking tight end

617
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: when the Eagles go into twelve personnel, Dallas Goddard is

618
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: He's lining up on the line of scrimmage and Earth's

619
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: is more used more of as a receiver, so he

620
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: inherently has a more valuable role just in the context

621
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: of that offense. And I think that's an important thing

622
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: to note when we're talking about teams using twelve personnel

623
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: and using these different personnel packages. It's not just about

624
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: where they're lining up on the field, but it's also

625
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: how they're used in the context of the offense. Uh,

626
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: last thing before we let you go. Obviously it's the

627
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: middle of the preseason for you when you were watching

628
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: preseason games. What are you looking at? How should people

629
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: be evaluating these games? Yeah, I mean, I'm just like

630
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: everyone else that you know, big plays, highlight plays. I

631
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: have the highlight bias, and you know, if a dude

632
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: is out here making big plays like, it's gonna catch

633
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: my eye, it's gonna give me excited. But at the

634
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: end of the day, the most important thing is um.

635
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: I think usage in the preseason games. Um. And we

636
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: had not yet gotten to the point where we have

637
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: big sample sizes of um of usage so far with

638
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: the first team. That really comes out of that third

639
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: preseason game where sometimes we can get up to two

640
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Speaker 1: and a half quarters of the first team and we

641
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Speaker 1: just want to see, you know, who's running with the

642
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: ones and what because a lot of that is dictated

643
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Speaker 1: by especially for veteran quarterbacks, it's just it's dictated by

644
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: quarterback preferences. Um, you know what running back is out

645
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: there with the one? What running back is Aaron Rodgers

646
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: trust to have behind him? UM. I did think there

647
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 1: was one interesting take away from the first week of preseason,

648
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: and again we're gonna have much bigger sample sizes as

649
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Speaker 1: we get to that third preseason game. But from the

650
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: first week, I thought it was interesting that Kyler Murray

651
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: was out there for eleven snaps and David Johnson was

652
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: out there for seven, which is fine, but Chase Edmonds

653
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: was out there for four of those eleven first team snaps,

654
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: and Chase Edmonds. If the Cardinals are able to execute,

655
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: like running a ton more plays, which they have only

656
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: one way to go up because they finished thirty first

657
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: NFL plays last year. Um. But and I don't think

658
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: that they're gonna run you know, eighty or ninety or

659
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: whatever they're talking about. But if they can get up

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Speaker 1: to like into the top five, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: that Chase Edmonds might be able to carve out a

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00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: little bit of standalone value. Um. And he's a guy

663
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Speaker 1: that I really like to take late in draft. Um

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Speaker 1: because he's got because he's got a shot at that

665
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: sort of flex option, you know, like a like like

666
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: an Austin Ekeler sort of got sort of play and

667
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: then you know, he's got the big upside if something

668
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: happens to David Johnson. Yeah, it's it's funny, right. Uh,

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Speaker 1: This whole Cardinals offense is going to be fun to watch.

670
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: Fifty six point four snaps per game last year during

671
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: Kingsbury's time at Texas Tech, the Red Raiders led the

672
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: FBS and snaps per game, and they averaged eighty two

673
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: point six snaps per game last season. Like that's that's

674
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: a lot of plays. Yep, Yeah, yep, absolutely well, Evan,

675
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: hey man, we appreciate the time, We appreciate the insight.

676
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: Looking forward to seeing more of your stuff over established

677
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: the run folks, and come and check you out there,

678
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: you Adam Levitan. I mean you've got Josh herms Meyer contributing,

679
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: Pat Dorman. You guys, have you put together a solid

680
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: roster to start this thing. So appreciate it. Yeah, man,

681
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: so best of luck with that. We appreciate the time.

682
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: And uh, let's let's stay in touch during the season. Man,

683
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely taking easy, dude, good luck this year. Thanks again

684
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: to Evan Silva for stopping by. It's always good to

685
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: talk to him. It was fun. We Graham, you and

686
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: I got to sit and have some beers with him

687
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: in February back in Indianapolis after the combine. It was great. Um,

688
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: he got mad at you about running back still if

689
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, we we kind of got into it

690
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Speaker 1: about running backs. I shouldn't say mad, We've just gotten

691
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: what was that kind of sa just what happened. But

692
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Speaker 1: it wasn't mad. But basically I I sort of pushed back,

693
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: as I am want to do about this whole Arby's

694
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: don't matter thing. You have great points, um, you know,

695
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: and and Evan vociferously disagreed with me. I think I

696
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: think it's like more of a humanist thing, like, we

697
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: just want to see them get paid. That's kind of

698
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Speaker 1: how I feel about it, although I do think that

699
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: some of these guys actually matter more than others. Um,

700
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's see if the Cowboys are willing

701
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: to go into weeks one and two without Ezekiel. See

702
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: there you go. There's there's the proof that some money

703
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: backs do matter. I love I'm a running backs guy.

704
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: I love that position, and I really hope Zeke is back.

705
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: I hope Gordon's back. It sucks that these guys don't

706
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: get paid and they don't get the respect they deserve contractually,

707
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: at least in some cases. But we'll see, man, well

708
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: we'll see that. We talked about it on the last podcast,

709
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: how things just keep building and building building. First it

710
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: was Gordon, it was Zeke is AB's feet, Now it's

711
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck. Things are getting con using, uh with some

712
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: of these elite players right now. Yeah, it really is, uh,

713
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: And so we're gonna be here to talk about it

714
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: and probably pull out our hair about it as well. Uh.

715
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Speaker 1: Week two of the preseason kicks off on Thursday. We

716
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Speaker 1: got a whole full slate of games going all through

717
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Speaker 1: the weekend. So a few things to keep our eye on.

718
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: Of course, we're not going to talk about every game,

719
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Speaker 1: but just a few things that that I'm interested in,

720
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: you guys are interested in. We can kind of bat

721
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: around a little bit. Cardinals and Raiders get going on

722
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: Thursday night, and uh, you know Grham, we didn't see

723
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Speaker 1: a lot from Kyler Murray. They kind of kept it

724
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: sort of playing. I mean, he looked good for what

725
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: they asked him to do. I would think this week

726
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: we want to see them maybe put a couple more

727
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: wrinkles into what they're doing. Sure, Cliff Kingsbury said before

728
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: and after the game, He's like, we're gonna keep this vanilla.

729
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep it real, real simple. Um. They just

730
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: ran a bunch of eleven personnel, put Max Williams in

731
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Speaker 1: the slot a few times. I hope we see a

732
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: few wrinkles. There was one little wrinkle where they kind

733
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 1: of ran like an RPO screen, which is kind of fun,

734
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: good little look to fits um. But I don't think

735
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: we'll see a whole lot of what Cliff and Kyler

736
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Speaker 1: in the Cards have planned until week one, just because

737
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Speaker 1: they they're gonn they're gonna try and play fast and

738
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Speaker 1: play super aggressive and they just have no real reason

739
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: to do that in preseason. Yeah, I mean they really don't.

740
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Speaker 1: But I think, you know, it's it's nice to see

741
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: Kyler Spinett though, Yeah, like it. He looks so comfortable

742
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Speaker 1: back there. I know it's only seven throws, but and

743
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: he's like it's like he's like a little dude. Yeah's

744
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: it's great, man, And for those of us who are

745
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Speaker 1: sort of vertically challenged, it's very exciting. So here's this

746
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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with anything. And this probably should

747
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Speaker 1: have been a thing that was pointed out during draft season.

748
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Speaker 1: Everybody talking about like him being not tall or whatever. Um,

749
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: they don't have short lineman in the Big twelve, right, Like,

750
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Speaker 1: I mean he does. He dealt with tall people in college,

751
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: not tails is not tall. Doug Flutie wasn't tall. Um,

752
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: so still isn't that Like everybody sees that seems like

753
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: it seems like that's a big deal. And I'm like, well,

754
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: Drew Brees does make me laugh though, like when he's

755
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: under center, like you can clearly tell he's craning. You

756
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: want to get him up in to stand on. In fairness,

757
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm Drew Brees is height so I fire back that

758
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: I would be doing the same doing the same thing, um,

759
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: Eagles at Jaguars. Uh. Look, I have sort of wavered

760
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: on this Eagles backfield. Like early on, I was definitely

761
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Speaker 1: on the Jordan Howard train. Now in the last week

762
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: or so that all the things I've read have sort

763
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: of started to sway me a little bit more towards

764
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Speaker 1: Miles Sanders. Um fabs. I think that's the one. That's

765
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Speaker 1: the one thing I want to watch out of this

766
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: thing is how this thing breaks down. Uh. You know

767
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Speaker 1: who's getting the first team snaps and the reps? Uh?

768
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Speaker 1: You know, Evan talked about kind of watching these games

769
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Speaker 1: and seeing who's who's on the field and win. I

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Speaker 1: just I want to start to figure out which one

771
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Speaker 1: of these backs is going to be I won't say

772
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Speaker 1: the main back, but maybe gets more touches. Yeah, I

773
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Speaker 1: always go with upside in cases like this. I don't

774
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Speaker 1: feel like Jordan Howard has much. I think Sanders is

775
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Speaker 1: the guy that that has the higher steeling. But you know,

776
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Speaker 1: we have seen in three years that Peterson has been

777
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Speaker 1: the guy in Philadelphia. He hasn't had a single running

778
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: back average more than twelve point nine touches per game,

779
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: not one that was Ryan Matthew was back in He

780
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: also hasn't had a running back finished better than twenty

781
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: four in Fantasy points at the position. But he also

782
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: has not had a back. That was my question that

783
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: my like Miles Sanders and so hopefully this is a

784
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Speaker 1: trend that is that is dodged this season because of

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Speaker 1: the president of the Penn State alone. Yeah, that was

786
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: my thought. He's just like, Okay, yeah, he's never done

787
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: it before, but he's never really had any guys, think

788
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable with right. I have been saying that

789
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders is a league winner um in the sixth

790
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: seventh round for that reason. I mean, the Eagles have

791
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: tried their hardest. It's not like they haven't tried. I mean,

792
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 1: they traded for j J. I before the trade deadline.

793
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: They were linked to Dalvin Cook early in the draft

794
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seventeen. They've been They were rumored

795
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: to be interested in Leashawn mcquick a couple of years ago,

796
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: and he was still he was still a talented back.

797
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: I think they finally have that three down player in

798
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders here. Yeah, and you talk about upside too,

799
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Jordan Howard is never and never will be

800
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Speaker 1: a pass catcher. Miles Sanders at the very least can

801
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: do that, and that has value immediately in p popics. Yeah,

802
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, our pal Mike Clay from over at ESPN,

803
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: I think made a good comparison when he compared Sanders

804
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: to his son and carry on Johnson, where at the

805
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: beginning of the season, you know, maybe it's going to

806
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a slogo, but at some

807
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: point during the course of the season, Sanders talent is

808
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: going to outshine Jordan Howard and he's going that's a

809
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: really good compared and that's and that's sort of why

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Speaker 1: I have started to kind of move closer to Miles

811
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Speaker 1: Sanders and this one. I mean, my my original thought

812
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: with Jordan Howard isn't necessarily that he's going to be

813
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: some huge, you know, boom guy, and we sort of

814
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: know what he is right now, But it was more

815
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Speaker 1: that he's the guy, at least early in the year

816
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: that gets those goal line opportunities, gets kind of those

817
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: short yardage things. But I think if you're talking about

818
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: more of a higher ceiling, then I think it's it's

819
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: definitely Miles Sanders, uh, Dolphins at Bucks. I am, I'm

820
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Speaker 1: thinking all about running backs here. I mean originally had

821
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Speaker 1: sort of written, you know, Bloge versus Drake, but obviously

822
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Speaker 1: we talked about Kenyan Drake and the fact that we

823
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Speaker 1: may not see him for the rest of the preseason.

824
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Speaker 1: But I still want to see what Caitlin Blage has

825
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: to offer, what he can do. And on the flip side,

826
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Speaker 1: I want to start to get a better feel this

827
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Speaker 1: Peyton Barber versus Ronald Jones things. I think. You know, look,

828
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Speaker 1: we are lost on that. We are so lost lost.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea which we don't hear anything like

830
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Speaker 1: you know, you hear a report that Ronald Jones broke

831
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: a big run only to fumble, you know, in camp

832
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: like that is one of the situations. I don't have

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00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: a clue. I mean, I'm gonna I'd rather have Ronald

834
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Speaker 1: Jones because I'd rather have the the upside there. I

835
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: have no idea what's going to happen in that badfield? None. Yeah,

836
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Speaker 1: I mean I think that's that's sort of the thing,

837
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Speaker 1: you know, Like Ronald Jones is the he's the upside

838
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: play because Peyton Barber is another guy we sort of

839
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: know who he is. I mean, he's steady, he's not spectacular. Um,

840
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: but it seems right now, Grahams he's like he's kind

841
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: of the number one guy until further note of he is,

842
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: and he he was last year and he'll continue to be.

843
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: I mean, this is why tracking preseason usage matters so much.

844
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: Last year, Ronald Jones was behind jack Quiz Rogers. Like

845
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: ja Quiz Rogers played more first team snaps last season

846
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Speaker 1: than Ronald Jones. Ron has been struggled, struggled to get

847
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: on the field early in the year, he struggled all

848
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Speaker 1: throughout the year when he was on the field. Now

849
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Speaker 1: this preseason, in their opening preseason game, Jamis Winston plays

850
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: twelve snaps. Payton Barber was on the field for eight

851
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: of those twelve snaps. Uh. There was a report that

852
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: came out this morning that the Bucks are basically trying

853
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: to restore Ronald Jones's compile, that he's now trying to

854
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: put on weight this offseason. Like, I mean, I don't

855
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: want to bash Ronald Jones more than I have right there,

856
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: there comes a point in drafts while I'm willing to

857
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: take him, it's usually like twelve or thirty and Arians

858
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: Arians is like to use a featured back too. You know,

859
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: during his time as an o C or a head coach.

860
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: You look at the at the numbers, um you know,

861
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: Runners have averaged eighteen point four touches uh or more

862
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: eight times during his fifteen seasons as either a head

863
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: coach or an OC. You know, David Johnson in twenty sixteen,

864
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: Willie Parker Shardon men Hall back into Pittsburgh. So he's

865
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: like to use these guys. He just doesn't have one

866
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: right now. And hopefully Road or maybe it's Barbara, I

867
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: don't know. Hopefully one of these guys establishes himself as

868
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: the more useful fantasy option. Otherwise we are absolutely to

869
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,959
Speaker 1: be just throwing darts at this backfield all season. Filed

870
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: this under you know baby steps forward, right? I mean,

871
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, Ronald Jones last year had twenty three carries

872
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: for forty four yards. In his one preseason game, he

873
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: had four carries for eighteen so, you know, right, progress progress.

874
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: When you say baby steps, it just makes me think

875
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: of what about Bob? But the Bucks are also absolutely

876
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: a candidate for picking up a veteran who's you know dropped.

877
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm surtimes. They haven't take the tires on Jay Like,

878
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: I'm concerned. I'm concerned. I think the gis got his

879
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: his name might be worse. It could be a lot

880
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: of issue possible. Yes, Um, Patriots at Titans. The only

881
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: thing I can think of, uh is Jacobe Myers for real? Like,

882
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, I know I made the the Selino Barnes

883
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: joke on the podcast. It was it was, it was

884
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: well done. Thanks. I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, and

885
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: he obviously had the huge breakout game. Uh you know,

886
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: I know he very much was was staying humble about

887
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: it in the postgame comments, and Belichick Bill Belichick and

888
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: typical Belichick fashion paces came out said he's got a

889
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: long way ago, he's got a lot of things to learn,

890
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: which you know, I mean, you can't get more Belichick

891
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: in than that. But I think for the rest of us,

892
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: like he legitimately had a good game last week, and

893
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: I guess, Fabs, we just want to see if like

894
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: that's for real, if you can do it again, or

895
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: if this just was a one week wonders. Yeah. See

896
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: for me, like I think it's a one week thing.

897
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that he's going to come

898
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: in and make a fantasy and back, to be quite

899
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: honest with you, but I'm also I I am I'm

900
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: like a proven to me kind of guy, and so

901
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: it's it's nice to see what he did in the

902
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: first preseason game, put up some nice numbers. But you know,

903
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: would we be shocked if he comes in in this

904
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: game and does absolutely nothing? No, And that's sort of

905
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: when I think the correction will come and people will

906
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: start to think, maybe this guy is not somebody I'm

907
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: gonna take late flyer on Josh Gordon, Josh Gordon, He's

908
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: coming back, guys. Man. It's funny we talk about Patriots

909
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 1: in in the preseason and the name that always pops

910
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: up is Zach Sudfeld to me, right like the week

911
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: the week like what Bronk was heard and it was like, hey,

912
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: they're gonna be auditioning new guys. Everybody's like, hey, man,

913
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: let's look at Zach Sudfeld. I think he like had

914
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: like one target and zero catches, and it's like, all right,

915
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: well that's over. There's been I mean, there's been so

916
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: many of those guys over the years, but sudd felt

917
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: a funny one. So I felt a good one, uh

918
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: last one that I got here Niners at Broncos, and

919
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: mostly just because I want to know, Graham, which of

920
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: these Niners receivers is going to take a step forward? Right?

921
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: I mean the reports that Dante Pettis has sort of

922
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: underwhelmed in camp. Trent Taylor is not healthy right now?

923
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: You know, Mark, he's goodwin for all the excitement potential

924
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: around him. He just he's been inconsistent on the field

925
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: right now. Um, you know, and I know we all

926
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: sort of believe that George Kittle can't repeat what he

927
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: did last year because he was setting records. But it

928
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: feels like of these other guys take a step forward

929
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: that you know, Kittle at least is going to see

930
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: another boatload of targets this year. This is the number

931
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: one thing I'm gonna be watching on Thursday night is

932
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: how the Niners a line and who gets snaps where

933
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: with the first team offense. You mentioned it, though, I

934
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: mean the concern still remains for me though with Kittle.

935
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: Like sure, no one has truly taken a step forward,

936
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean that there are fewer competent pass

937
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: catchers on the field. Um. I mean, I think Deepo

938
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: Samuel and Jalen Hurd are going to present pretty significant, um,

939
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: pretty significant opportunities to take away some some targets for Kittle.

940
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: But still, yeah, I mean Kittle, Kittle is going to

941
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: be the lead targeted for this team. It's just a

942
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,479
Speaker 1: matter of where he goes in drafts. But yeah, I've

943
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: been really surprised to see um Coyle, Shanahan just absolutely

944
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: poo poo and Dante Pettis after he played through so

945
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: many injuries last year. Um, he must be having a

946
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: really really tough camp. Yeah, it seems like it. It

947
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: seems like it in BacT A Kittle, Um, you know,

948
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: I get it. He was tremendous last year. But I

949
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: always Marcus knows us. He's been working with me for

950
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: a long time. I always fear the magical season. I

951
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: always feared the magical season. And I like looking at

952
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: historical trends. Obviously it's one of the fun things. It

953
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna uh it's going to predict

954
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 1: the future, but in a lot of cases it does. Um.

955
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: But in NFL history, there's only been ten instances where

956
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: tight And has had twelve hundred plus yards in a

957
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: single season. Two of them came last year with Kelsey

958
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: in George Kittle. In the previous eight instances, only two

959
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: tight ends got to a thousand yards the following season,

960
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: and in five the players failed to reach nine hundred

961
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: and fifty yards the following season. Um In all, the

962
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: average yards of Titan recorded following the twelve hundred plus

963
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: yards season is nine hundred and eighteen. So if if

964
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: Kittle comes out and gives you nine hundred and fifty

965
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: yards and six touchdowns, pretty good, it's pretty good. It

966
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: ain't undred and five, but it's pretty good. But that's

967
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: why I don't. I don't want him in the third

968
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: or fourth round. I don't. Yeah, and he's something. I

969
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: mean I saw him earlier this summer going ahead of

970
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: like Mike Evans in the second round, which was just

971
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: that's a little that's a little spicy for me. Yeah,

972
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: he's finally fallen back into You gotta know, you got

973
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: like it's gotta be. You gotta know, like Kelsey, you

974
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: know it's also to a degree, you gotta know it's

975
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: gonna happen, Okay, because would would any one of us

976
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: in this room be shocked if O. J. Howard Evan Ingram. Uh,

977
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry outscored Kittle. No. Yeah, I was saying this

978
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: for Kittle, the five touchdowns is definitely duplicated. You know

979
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: he can. Yeah, it's the it's that he's never gonna

980
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: do it. That's that's never. If it's a little difficult, Yeah,

981
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be quite a few jelly beans last year.

982
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't pissed. So there you go. There's our look

983
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: at some of the things to keep an eye on

984
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: in the preseason. I guess at this point I should

985
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: promote the fact that the NFL Network actually has a

986
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: triple header on Saturday for four pm Eastern. Uh. It

987
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: is Brown's at Colts seven thirty Eastern, Chiefs at Steelers,

988
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: and then in Eastern Cowboys at Rams. It's gonna be

989
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: at No, it's not. It's in Hawaii. Yeah. I was

990
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: so pissed because I saw that, and I'm like, oh,

991
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to bring Matthew to a Cowboys And

992
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: so I I texted my contact with the Rams and

993
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: I said, Hey, I want to go to the Cowboys Rams.

994
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: Which one the one in Hawaii or the one in Dallas.

995
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, oh, well, damn, They're not playing in

996
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 1: l A. The Rams only have one one more preseason

997
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 1: game in l A. I think it's like a couple

998
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: of weeks. I might be against the Chiefs, but it

999
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: won't matter because ray Sean McVeigh doesn't play anybody. But

1000
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: I was mad. I was like, oh dude, man, I

1001
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: wanted to see the Cowboys because I never get a

1002
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: chance to see him. So, man, if you want to

1003
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: see John Kelly is I guess you're missing the chance.

1004
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: Imagine what if Kelly comes out and like starts ahead

1005
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: of everything, is gonna just go. That's one of the

1006
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: guys I'm most interested to see too, is like what

1007
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: Henderson does. Yeah, if you starts to hit a Darryl Henderson,

1008
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: it has a couple of big runs, then that fantasy

1009
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: Twitter is going to lose its ever loving mind. Yeah,

1010
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: before we go obviously, Hard Knocks episode two was last night.

1011
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: Uh we sort of talk started talking about Antonio Brown

1012
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: at the start of the show his feet in case,

1013
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: in case any of you missed it on Instagram when

1014
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: he posted it originally, he showed the world what his

1015
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: feet looked like, and boy, it's not good. Although he

1016
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: said his feet got circumcised, which I think he was

1017
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: trying to say the skin is peeling back, which was

1018
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to be in the strict

1019
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: literal sense of like what that is, sure, But I

1020
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: would have used a different words I would. I would

1021
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: dare say there are some some rabbis and some folks

1022
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: who think for a living that would probably disagree with

1023
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: abies comparison. But interesting. Interesting. Nonetheless, um, I would say

1024
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: a couple of things I took away from it the episode.

1025
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: I just say, um, and and Dan Hans is who

1026
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: is you know, are our resident hard knocks expert who

1027
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: does a great recap of it every single week? And

1028
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: he pointed this out to in his UM. Derek Carr's

1029
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: future might be in doubt with the Raiders, but as

1030
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: long as he's there, he is solid as the QB one.

1031
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: I mean he might Blennen Nathan Peterman competition is ugly

1032
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, Nathan Peterman is the guy that you

1033
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: want starting against your fantasy defense. That's I'll never forget

1034
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: that game. What do you have like six picks five

1035
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: first half, five in the first half, which is great.

1036
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: You got to hear Matt money Smith's call of it too.

1037
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: On the Chargers defense was like ridiculous that week. Yeah,

1038
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: that's that's a bad situation to think about the market.

1039
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: My question is how does Mike Glennon keep getting jobs?

1040
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: Were Mike Lennon paid? Remember he got paid? He was

1041
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: gonna be the guy in Chicago? Was it right after

1042
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay he's tall. First, Hey, let's let's let

1043
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: mean you want to flashback, Mike Glennon is the guy

1044
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: who forced Russell Wilson out of NC State. That's right.

1045
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: It was like Russell Wilson was the starting quarterback in

1046
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: North Carolina State. Mike Glennon was on the roster. They

1047
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: didn't think that Russell Wilson was going to be able

1048
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: to get the starting job, so he left and went

1049
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: to Wisconsin. Uh, and now here we are you guys

1050
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: wanna I mean you want to go down the rabbit hole.

1051
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: You talk about bad backups. If Patrick Mahomes ever got hurt,

1052
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: you know who their backup is. It's the Cha Chad

1053
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: Henny because Tyler Brad's not there. It's chat like there

1054
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: there are some backup quarterbacks in this league that you

1055
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: do not, as a fantasy owner, want to see step

1056
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: on the field. Matt Ryan goes down it's Mr pick

1057
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: six speak shop. Speaking of hard knocks, I mean, if

1058
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Speaker 1: Jared Goff goes down, it's Blake Bortles, although you know,

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Speaker 1: Bartles is actually one of the best, honestly in the

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00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: realm of backup quarterbacks, like Blake Portles actually isn't so bad. Um,

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Speaker 1: my goodness great. I mean, if Baker goes down, you're

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Speaker 1: looking at Drew Stanton. Uh, you know, yeah, let's let's

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Speaker 1: let's let's I mean, Savage is the backup in Detroit? Guys?

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Speaker 1: Is it just me? Or is this hard Knocks just

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00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: been kind of bored? It's been kind of all It

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00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that good. I was sort of getting to that.

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like the Raiders have gotten a lot

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Speaker 1: of creative control over this one, because like we haven't.

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Speaker 1: We haven't really gotten any like you know, behind closed

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Speaker 1: doors coaches meetings. Like everything we've heard Gruden say is

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00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: basically like stuff he would say to the media, except

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Speaker 1: with the added been a fit if he throws in

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00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: a few more f bombs. Um, the only thing we

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Speaker 1: were The best thing we've gotten out of Mike Mayock

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00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: so far is him shaming Max Crosby for not knowing

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00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: George Clinton and Parliament fucking funkadelic, you know, like it

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Speaker 1: just it just has been dull. Like there's no great characters. Really,

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00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious. The Browns gave full access to HBO

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00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: last year. It made for some really fun well Hugh

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00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson didn't mean for them to be funny, but

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Speaker 1: some pretty funny casts by huge and he really thinks that, Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's all Antonio Brown, Like that's what we're

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00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: all watching for because we want to know if we

1084
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: can get any nuggets about what his situation is with

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00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: these damn feet. But even that has been like sort

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00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: of right, So so yeah, no, you're right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Gruden has been fine. I'd like to see more of

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00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: Mike Mayock because we're NFL folks and we love Mike.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see a little bit more of him.

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00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean Josh Jacobs zero, Josh, there's Josh

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Speaker 1: Jacob spin. I don't know, I see none of Josh Jacobs.

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Speaker 1: Like the only thing close to a fun character is

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00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: Jonathan abral That's it. That was it, you know, like

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00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: the first week he's basically digging in Derek Carr's pockets

1095
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: to like, you know, get free food out of him. Uh.

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00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: This week the show ended with him saying that, you know,

1097
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is old enough to be my daddy. He

1098
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: Brady could be my daddy like that. That was that

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00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: was funny. Um, we just haven't had any really good characters.

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Speaker 1: I think we were spoiled. The Browns just had so

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00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: many either guys with great personalities, are really smart guys,

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00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: or just I don't know. Myles Garrett was was awesome

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00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: last year to Yeah. Yeah, it just seems like they

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00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of players with a lot of

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00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: personality on that team. We know the Abrams. What's the

1106
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: overrunder on him getting fined for fits this season? He's

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00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: gonna get a couple He'll probably get a couple of

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00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: envelopes in his locker. Um, yeah, it's just weird, but

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Speaker 1: you would have thought. I mean, between Antonio Brown Richie Incognito,

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00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: who has been kind of a choir boy in in

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00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: the first couple of episodes, like you know, he's the one,

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Speaker 1: he's been the voice of reason, Like this is where

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00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: we are now, Richie Incognito is the voice of reason.

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00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: He was talking about counseling too, right, Um, we've seen

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Speaker 1: none of Fonte. He's still there, right, He's not on purpose,

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00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like don't know, you know, Like

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Speaker 1: the only slightly unhinged person we've seen has been Jon Gruden,

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Speaker 1: which we knew he would be. It's always unhinged, right, always,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, like, you know, it would be very

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Speaker 1: Raiders for them to go out and make it a

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00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: splash and getting Antonio Brown and drafting Josh Jacobs and

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00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: signing Tyrrell Williams and being a five win teams. I know. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's funny because we've only we haven't heard from Tyro boys.

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00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: I think there are a couple of shots of him

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Speaker 1: in this last episode, as like things that they haven't

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Speaker 1: really talked about. I mean, they haven't mentioned at all

1127
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: that this was the Raiders last year in Oakland, right,

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Speaker 1: they're moving to Laws Vegas next year. No mention of

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00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: that so far. No one said of the fact that

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Speaker 1: for Derek Carr, like he's the franchise quarterback for now,

1131
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: but this is very much a proven year for him.

1132
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: Like there are storylines and I don't think they've explored

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00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: so far, and you know, we're through two of the

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Speaker 1: five episodes, so you know, Um, also random aside. I

1135
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Speaker 1: always think it's weird that lie of Schreiber was the

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Speaker 1: narrator because it doesn't sound like him. Yeah. No, yeah,

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00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: you're exactly right. I always said like, yeah, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like at all. I mean, you know,

1139
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Speaker 1: I my girlfriend were watching it and I was like, yeah,

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00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: that's an area. He's like who And I said Ray Donovan.

1141
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: She's like what. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't sound like it

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00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like him. Yeah. So hey, before we go,

1143
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Speaker 1: we should again remind people that we're gonna be live

1144
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: on August twenty six at a p m. At the

1145
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: Yard House in Marina, Del Rey. So for all of

1146
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: our Southern California folks out there, please come by. We're

1147
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: gonna be doing the podcast there. We're gonna be doing

1148
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 1: some Q and A, we're gonna do some trivia, and

1149
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: four people are gonna be able to join our podcast

1150
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: Listeners League, which I'll be setting up here shortly, so

1151
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: make sure you if you are in southern California come

1152
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: by check it out. You know, you could buy Graham

1153
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: and Marcus a beer. I don't really drink beer, but

1154
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: you can get me ginger Ail's fine. I was gonna say,

1155
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: an easy, easy, easy way to get into the to

1156
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Speaker 1: the listener league, just by by me all my beer.

1157
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Speaker 1: We're we're we're shameless rams easy like that. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: so definitely come by. We're looking forward to It's gonna

1159
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. Yeah, should should definitely be fun,

1160
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Speaker 1: and we will keep promoting it. We'll keep reminding you, uh,

1161
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, until we get up to and at some

1162
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: point as well, we will send out something via social

1163
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Speaker 1: media to uh have people answered trivia questions for a

1164
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: shot to get one of the other four spots in

1165
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: this league. So, um, it's gonna be a lot of

1166
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: fun times. It'll be your opportunity to tell people on

1167
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: social media that you kicked our ass in a fantasy

1168
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: football league. And ultimately that's what everyone seems to want, guys.

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00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Uh so, Steve, hopefully you have learned something today. Yeah,

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00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: so Pat mahomes first round plan? Right, yeah, exactly where

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00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: your headphones off go that. Let me let me know

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00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: how that works out for you. All right, we'll do

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00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: all right? Cool, Hey, that's it. We are done. As always,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you listening. Thanks again to Evan Silva for

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00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: stopping by as well. You know the drill. Tell two

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00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: friends to tell two friends great review, and remember what

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00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: doesn't kill you just gives you a really dark sense

1178
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Speaker 1: of humor. We'll see you on Monday. Yeah, Cocot who

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Speaker 1: I conc