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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with her radio. Hey guys, and welcome to the Almost

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Speaker 1: Famous Podcast. It's Ashley and then there's that guy. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm here. Hey Hey. So first we're gonna run down

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Speaker 1: some bachelor headlines. Then we have got some interviews with

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Speaker 1: one Pablo's girls, and Heather Martin, who is a she's

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Speaker 1: got a hot guy in a music video. We gotta

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Speaker 1: ask whether she has kissed this hot guy, and she's

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Speaker 1: she's added one to you know, what do you call it?

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Speaker 1: Not the mini she's had it added one to, not

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Speaker 1: the many of who she's kissed, the list or what

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Speaker 1: they call it, the bed the bedpost notch, but like

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Speaker 1: in in Heather, in my world, it's the kiss notch

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Speaker 1: because like I one time, you know, I had a

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Speaker 1: kiss list. At one point, you would have a kiss list.

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Speaker 1: You would definitely have a kiss list. Actually that's what

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Speaker 1: I was really proud of it. I was like, all

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Speaker 1: these guys are hot, Ashley, You're one of a kind

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Speaker 1: and I love you for it. Um head. There's also

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Speaker 1: on a trip right now with Hannah Brown, so maybe

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Speaker 1: we can get some details about what they're doing, why

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Speaker 1: they're together, and what it is that they're experiencing on

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Speaker 1: this Girl's retreat, Ashley. Before we bring on all our

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Speaker 1: our guests, we do have to break down this week's

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Speaker 1: good episode and also the Bachelor headlines, because there is many,

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Speaker 1: So let's just dive in. The very first topic is

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Speaker 1: one that we've been hinting at, you know, wondering about.

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Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation has been up in arms about and wondering

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Speaker 1: what is going on. It's Becca Koufferin and Garrett have

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Speaker 1: officially now announced that they ended their engagement. Uh. We

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Speaker 1: do think that all signs were pointing to this, however,

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Speaker 1: we just hadn't gotten clarity. But now we can confirm

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Speaker 1: that this has happened. So I want to read the

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Speaker 1: quote that Becca put out there. She said, after many conversations,

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Speaker 1: we came to this decision. It wasn't something that just

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Speaker 1: arrived one night. It wasn't based solely off one instag,

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Speaker 1: gramdpost or somebody else's opinions or comments. There's much more

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Speaker 1: to it. To any relationship, There's lots of layers and

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Speaker 1: it's not for me to divulge the details. It's no

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Speaker 1: one's business other than what I am telling you right now. Um.

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Speaker 1: But that being said, we have to analyze it a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Right. So I haven't seen Becca since February,

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Speaker 1: but you are way closer to her. You were on

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Speaker 1: the road with her for almost a month. Do you

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Speaker 1: mind me asking you, Ben, if you think that they

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Speaker 1: would still be together if it weren't for what went

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Speaker 1: down in June. It's so hard and I have to

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Speaker 1: take her words for it, right, like, I can't assume

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Speaker 1: in anything more than that. Uh, it was a lot

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Speaker 1: leading up to it, and I think in relationships you

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Speaker 1: gonna be things that your partner does that you don't

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Speaker 1: agree with. Um. If it is a healthy relationship, then

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Speaker 1: you make those things work, You work through them, you

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Speaker 1: talk about you come to compromise on him. If it

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Speaker 1: then I could see where there would be some final

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Speaker 1: straws that would break and you would say this isn't

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Speaker 1: to assume too much before. But I did get to

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Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with Becca. She is a

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Speaker 1: terrific human and I feel very similar to Becca that

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Speaker 1: I feel about you, like I get I've told you this.

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Speaker 1: I'm lucky enough to be able to host and co

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Speaker 1: I didn't, though, within our time together, get to speak

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Speaker 1: and I saw there really their relationship look good from

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Speaker 1: the outside. Um, but again, this is where I can

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Speaker 1: speak to it. It's it's always, uh, you always want

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Speaker 1: and I then know how hard it is to go

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Speaker 1: didn't have the forever to it because maybe that there

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Speaker 1: It just seemed like they had a great relationship until then.

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Speaker 1: really experiencing a lot of learning and growth throughout the

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Speaker 1: conflict if you don't agree, like they do become major

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Speaker 1: with Beck in Los Angeles. From one bachelorette to the next.

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Bristow says Dancing with the Stars is her last hurrah.

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Speaker 1: This is a huge topic, Like this is actually a

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Speaker 1: Stars experience is her last hurrah. Now, actually, this is

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Speaker 1: assuming that Jason is a part of this next step

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Speaker 1: recording in next Thursday, so we'll ask him all about

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Speaker 1: Stars felt like it was always made for Caitlin. It's

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Bristo cries after trolls criticized her appearance ahead of

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Speaker 1: of here is the best responses as Caitlin. If this

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Speaker 1: Stars is a magical success for her and any But

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Speaker 1: that's criticizing her right now as she preps for it.

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Speaker 1: that will happen. I've have full confidence in that, UM.

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Speaker 1: But it's unfortunate and it's not fun to watch. It's

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Speaker 1: not fun to watch a friend breakdown, especially publicly. You

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Speaker 1: know that haters hate success, so sometimes sometimes success can

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Speaker 1: feel more hate. But you just have to remember that. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna uh. You know, I'm not gonna go

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Speaker 1: down to your levels. I'm gonna shine in her place,

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Speaker 1: and she's gonna shine. We know that, UM. Question for you,

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Speaker 1: the hate comments fuels their fire and makes them comment

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Speaker 1: Andy goes into a fantasy suite thinking that she's just

426
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: like so into Wan Pablo. She's picturing her future with him.

427
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: She she says that she can picture her settling down

428
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 1: with Wan Pablo. She comes out the next morning completely

429
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: different attitude. She she can't even stand him for another day.

430
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: She's got to leave. What did she tell What did

431
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: she tell us on the podcast? She said that he

432
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: just talked about himself the entire time, asked no questions

433
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: about her. He seemed very self absorbed, right, Yeah. I

434
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: also think she kind of hinted at there's things she

435
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't share publicly that happened that evening. And that's basically

436
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: what she does with Harrison in her interview in the

437
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: Goat episode, and that's what she did during the actual

438
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: Wan Pablo season. So maybe we don't know exactly what

439
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: happened that turned her off so bad, but I do

440
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: have to But watching this back in the confrontation, it's

441
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: so it's so fun, it's a very girl power moment,

442
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: but it does leave me wondering, does Andy just want

443
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: want Pablo to be like, no, I don't want you

444
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: to leave, like I want you to stay. I really

445
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: like you? Or or did he like really royally f up?

446
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: And we're not seeing it because because watching it back,

447
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Oh, she doesn't like him and he doesn't

448
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: really care about her, but she still wants him to

449
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: care about her. Well, I think, yeah, I mean I

450
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: would imagine that in most cases during this show, especially,

451
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: you want the lead to care about you, and sometimes

452
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: as a lead, you really want one of the contestants

453
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: to really care about you. And you're far enough along

454
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: in the journey at the fantasy suites where you're probably

455
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: pretty sure of at least who your final couple are,

456
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: and you're pretty confident that the person okay. For me,

457
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: that last final few was the hardest part because you

458
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: start to see who you want to be within the

459
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: end and who you want to work through a few

460
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: things with uh in the last couple of weeks, and

461
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: then that you have this person there. In my case

462
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: it was Kayla, who you care a ton about, who

463
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: you really respect, and now you have to say goodbye

464
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: to them. What I think this didn't show was the

465
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: mutual respect between each other, and that's why it was

466
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: so controversial. It looked like they are both like, this

467
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: is stupid, this is over, and you're like, wait, you

468
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: guys have been through some stuff already. Yeah. I think

469
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: she's frustrated because yeah, exactly what you're saying, Like there's

470
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: no emotion attached to him. He's saying it's okay, Like

471
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: she's like even though we both just kind of decided

472
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: that we we weren't into each other enough to continue.

473
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: I think, like, I would like you to acknowledge the

474
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: fact that we got to know each other as humans

475
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: and we have we had something. Yeah, this isn't just okay,

476
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: this hurts, and I want you to tell me that

477
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: you get that it hurts. It's probably what she was

478
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: looking for, right, and it didn't hurt, and I think

479
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: she just felt like, Okay, so you're just detached throughout

480
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: this entire process. You're just you're just not forming any

481
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: bonds with these women. And I think that rolls over

482
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: into the next historical moment when he tells Nikki that

483
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: he really likes her. She goes, I love you, and

484
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: he goes, I like you a lot. And that was

485
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: in addition to not proposing what she expected. But I think,

486
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: in hindsight, what a blessing that he didn't get down

487
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: on one knee. She didn't experience that with Wan Pablo.

488
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: She got to experience that with her husband. But but

489
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: the I really like you, I guess Wan Pablo kind

490
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: of he brought himself on being honest, so I didn't

491
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: want to lie and say I love you in that

492
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: moment when he wasn't feeling love, and maybe the Bachelor

493
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: franchise does put him down a little bit for that.

494
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: Like Harrison even said last night, he was like, I

495
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: like you a lot. Like they are making fun of

496
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: him for saying I like you a lot, But like,

497
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: would we have rather him say I love you and

498
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: not mean it? I don't. I don't know. I don't

499
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: think that is that really something we should feelize them for.

500
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: I think it's shocking and I think it shows that

501
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: he wasn't ready to be the Bachelor and he shouldn't

502
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: have been the Bachelor. But I don't know that we

503
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: can like make it seem like that's not a good

504
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: a good move. Anybody that comes to the show, my

505
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: advice and then would be do what's authentic you? Like,

506
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: this is a life changing moment, and just because the

507
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: show is telling you you need to you should get

508
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: engaged in or that feels like the path that you're

509
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: going towards, it doesn't mean that you have to nor

510
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: do you need to. Yeah, I don't think one probably

511
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: did this whole thing well at all. However, I don't

512
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: think we should villainize him for being authentic to his feelings,

513
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: even if they weren't what we wanted. Um, because I

514
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: watch it going okay, he he's confident enough in his

515
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: feelings to not express what she's expressing. It's unfortunate that

516
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: it has to look and be like this. However, he

517
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: he was true to He was true to how he

518
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: was feeling, and for that, I do think we celebrate

519
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: his authenticity. Yeah, and I think that's what Wan Pablo wants,

520
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: because that's what he's always frustrated with. He's like, if

521
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: you're not on it, if you're honest, they don't like you.

522
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: And the bottom of the crux of all of this

523
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: is that he wasn't the Bachelor that ABC wanted him

524
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 1: to be. He wasn't the kind of woman that most people,

525
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: or at least from what we saw he's. He's not

526
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: the person that most women want to end up up with.

527
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: Like nobody watched that season and thought like, this is

528
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: the kind of guy I would like to be with.

529
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: But also we can't. Once he was chosen to be

530
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: the Bachelor, he was just himself and we can't villainize

531
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: him for being honest in these situations. I could go

532
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: I could be a Bachelor fan right now, that it's

533
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: not coming. I mean I could. I don't know. If

534
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: there's anbody agrees with me. In fact, it's a great question.

535
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: Please email us at Ben and Ashley I heart media

536
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: dot com, or tweet us at the Almost Famous podcast

537
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: on Twitter use the hashtag you know. We talked about

538
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: it every season. I still stand firm in this. I

539
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: might change my mind at some point, but as a fan,

540
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: I get now the ups and downs of the season.

541
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: I get to the first couple of weeks are ridiculous.

542
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: I get that there's weird dates. I get that there's arguments.

543
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: I know that there's going to be drama. I expect that. However,

544
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: when it comes to the very last episode, I watch

545
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: it excited for somebody that I know to find love.

546
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: I also want to know if they really found love. Like,

547
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't want this to just be a fake engagement,

548
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: because this is how it's supposed to go. I want

549
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: to be as a fan going you know, for example, Colton, okay, Colton,

550
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: you weren't you know, you and Cassie weren't ready to

551
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: get engaged. I can get behind that, Like, I know

552
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: where your relationship stands. Uh one, probably you weren't ready

553
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: to get engaged fair enough, like I get where your

554
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: relationship stands. But when there is that moment when somebody

555
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: gets down on the knee and look somebody in the

556
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: eyes and says, will you marry me? I want to

557
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: be on my couch in tears, going this is beautiful,

558
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: like I don't want I don't want to be misled.

559
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: I guess I should say, and I'm I'm glad. If

560
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: he did one thing really well, it was that he

561
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: did not mislead us on what his feelings were. I

562
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: will say that he didn't do it in a very

563
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: heart felt like he never he didn't. He doesn't seem warm,

564
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't seem his delivery is constantly terrible. Because we

565
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: see Brad Walmack, who at the end of his season

566
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 1: doesn't pick anyone. Yet you still feel for Brad and

567
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: like there's so much emotion there and here there's just

568
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: coldness and logic and it just didn't it doesn't feel right,

569
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: and his character is definitely this is this is the

570
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: moment where I'm like, Okay, now now we can kind

571
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: of fil anize. When he says to Claire in a

572
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: helicopter ride, I don't really know you, but I love

573
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: screwing you and yeah, good, no like that, that's m hmm.

574
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: She talks it out with him in the in not

575
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: a fantasy state, but that last date where they get

576
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: to sit on the couch and like have their last

577
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: conbo and she I get that, she gets clarity and

578
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: like they have a good like hash out of the situation.

579
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: But man, with that stick with me, I don't. It's

580
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: it's not even like he was trying to be sexy

581
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: and said like I love screwing you. It was I

582
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: don't really know you. Yeah, it's just bad. It's the

583
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: antithesis of romantic. Yeah, that's not good. No, I'm like

584
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: sitting here and I'm like, yeah, and what scenario and

585
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: what scenario does that even work? And it's like maybe

586
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: in your most promiscuous like days, that could work, but

587
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 1: like when you're looking towards the end and you're you're knowing,

588
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: you're already nervous because you're a few days away from

589
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: something happening, either you're just leaving the show together or

590
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: you're engaged or getting broken up with and you're like

591
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: pouring your heart out into somebody else and they look

592
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: at you and go like, yeah, you know what, I

593
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: don't know you, but like you're I just love screwing you.

594
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: Like there's no way to say that and have good

595
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: intentions behind it. That isn't probably the one the most

596
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: jaw dropping moments I've ever had as a viewer watching

597
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: the show, right, Yeah, not good, not good. There's no

598
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: there's notion for that one. And I think that so

599
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: much of what she says to him in that scene

600
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: where you know, he dumps her and she has her

601
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: girl power moment, it's not so much daddy dumps her.

602
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: It's that that convert. It's that it's it's what went

603
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: down in the helicopter coming out. Yeah, I think, yes,

604
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: you're right, And I think that's where we forget, is

605
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: like we watch this in clips and we see her

606
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: getting you know, angry or she's like on him, and

607
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: we're like, well that kind of came out and know

608
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: her wise, But what we forget is that this was

609
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: leading up to that moment, by the things that he

610
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: told her and how it made her feel, and how

611
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: she where she felt her relationship was out with him

612
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: and where he felt his relationship was out with her,

613
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: And it's unfortunate. There's nothing about this moment Ashley that

614
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: I enjoy way watching. There's nothing about this moment that

615
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: I can even wrap my head around. Um, but what

616
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: it does do is it it points me and I'm

617
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: sure it was kind of their hope, but it does

618
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: point me to the excitement that is coming up with

619
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: Claire where I can go. Now we get to watch

620
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: her find somebody that cares to get to know her

621
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: and whenever they decide to one day will also enjoy

622
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: being with her and do it in a way that's

623
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: like caring completely. The why I enjoy watching that scene

624
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: is because she's just such a badass and she had

625
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: all the right things to say from the way that

626
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: she even stopped him like with her hands and just continued.

627
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: And it was, in my opinion, you know what he

628
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: says in the helicopter that makes her say, I would

629
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: never want you to be the father of my children,

630
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: and then two make matters worse in this whole dumping scene.

631
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: She walks away and he goes, I'm glad I didn't

632
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: pick her. Now that just proves that you know, you

633
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: don't want to be with him, like as if like

634
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: he had to like put the nail in his own

635
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: Coffin anymore. Yeah, well, it sets us up for this

636
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: good episode that we obviously it was not in favor

637
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: of Wan Pablo. He did not come off of this.

638
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's gonna wow, I liked Wan Pablo

639
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: more from it. I do think there'll be some maybe sympathy. Um,

640
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: I think there'll be some some opinions on, hey, wild,

641
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: you really dragged Wan Pablo through this all again, which

642
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: isn't super unexpected. He didn't do things great or well

643
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: or even halfway well. However, we don't know Wan Pablo,

644
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: but we have some women coming up that do know

645
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: Wan Pablo, and so I'm excited and ready to ask

646
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: Charlene joint her opinion on While Pablo and her opinion

647
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: on this good episode and see if he did, you know,

648
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: get dragged through again, if she felt like it was unfair, unjust,

649
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: or maybe she's like, yeah, he deserves every second. So

650
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: in a second after the break, we're gonna bring Charlene

651
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: joint In Amy Long from Wan Pablo Season onto the

652
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: podcast and dive in to this week's episode of the Goat. Alright, guys,

653
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: if you didn't fall in love with Charlie and joint

654
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: all over again last night watching Wan Pablos Goat episode

655
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: like You've Got Issues. We are joined here by Charlene Hey,

656
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: Charlie Hello, Ashley I, and Ben Higgins. You I mean

657
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: if I wow, you're a freaking cool girl, but like

658
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: you were so cool because you're so authentic and just

659
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: so real and you weren't filtered at all when it

660
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: came to you. Okay, says like you are. You are

661
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: the post of child for being authentic and being real.

662
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: So thank you. I think ever since the day we

663
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: ran into each other and met in the Delhi before

664
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, don't go on the show. It's terrible,

665
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: so unbelievable. It ends up changing your life and you

666
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: met the love of your life. It's like the worst

667
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: advice in the world. No, it's okay, at least I

668
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: didn't take it seriously. Yes, Um, okay, So watching this back,

669
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: like I know that you. You didn't love watching yourself

670
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: back the first time around, and people called out certain

671
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: moments that they felt were awkward. But I feel like

672
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: with these Goat episodes, people are looking back with so

673
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: much more clarity. Um. How many people were responding to

674
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: you on Instagram and Twitter last night being like, oh

675
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: my gosh, you're so amazing, Like how much positivity did

676
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: you get yesterday? I got a lot, and it was

677
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: a little overwhelming because that truly was my only go

678
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: on TV and it was a long time ago, like

679
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: pre Instagram being as big as it is now. Uh,

680
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: it was very sweet, but I am naturally, unfortunately one

681
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: of those people that tends to focus on the negative.

682
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm working on this. So as as sweet as it is, uh,

683
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's very but I also feel like

684
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: whatever you see on TV is just such a tiny

685
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: facet of who I am. It's like, in no way

686
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: doesn't really represent me. So it's flattering, but it's also

687
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: like I take it with a grain of salt, do you? So?

688
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: With that being said, as you watch yourself back and

689
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 1: then also as you watch the season bag, what else

690
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: would you have loved to show about yourself that you

691
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 1: couldn't capture on television? I mean that is a that's

692
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: a deep one, then asked by a former lead. Uh,

693
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, I remember watching it back and thinking, man,

694
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 1: I look like I have a giant stick up my ass,

695
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: Like I just looked really unfun and like I take

696
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: myself and the whole thing way too seriously. And I

697
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: think it's possible to take that seriously but not take

698
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: yourself too seriously and not take it all too seriously,

699
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: Like there's a fine line, as both of you know.

700
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: And I just I kind of wish I hadn't let

701
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: it get to me, especially in the later stages, like

702
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: I was crying a lot. I was, you know, just

703
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: really down. I was home sick, and as your friends

704
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: get sent home, you're like, I'm alone, and I just

705
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: you get clarity when you're out of the bubble, like immediately,

706
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: and I just sort of wished I had taken it

707
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: a little more in stride and just laughed about it

708
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: all a bit more and shown that side of myself

709
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: because it's real, it really represents me more than you know,

710
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: Oh I'm so smart, Like that's just so not who

711
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: I am. I really wish that I had just been

712
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 1: let's just let loose a bit. You came across very smart,

713
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: but not in like the Kelsey Poe way where it

714
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: was like I'm intelligent and she's not. You just can't

715
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: regretly that was your natural self. That's thank you. That's

716
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: a nice way of putting it. I think that I

717
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: went into it really like paranoid. I was like, Oh,

718
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: the producers are at to get me. Like the first

719
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: impression Rose was the best example of that, because I

720
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: was convinced that they had told me to give it

721
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: to me, and I was just like, I was just

722
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: like overthinking everything and analyzing everything. And I think that

723
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: comes off as you know, thinking you're too good for

724
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: it or too smart for it, when it's not really

725
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: my It wasn't really in my intention. It was more

726
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: that I had watched the season for so many years.

727
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: Actually I think you had as well. Yeah, and like

728
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, you're in, You're seeing

729
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: how the sausage is made, and I was just I

730
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: was just two in my head way too in my head.

731
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: Last night seemed like a pile on to me of

732
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: wam Pablo. He has tweeted a few times and he

733
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: was obviously annoyed. What's interesting is that the show makes

734
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: him seem like an actual horrendous person and you girled

735
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: a lot of you went on social media and kind

736
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: of defended him. So how do you feel about how

737
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: they represented him, especially last night? Like having bachelorettes like

738
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: Caitlin Um and Becca who have never met him and

739
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: just rip on him. I'm so glad you touched on that.

740
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: I it was pretty painful to watch. If I'm honest.

741
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: I think we all make mistakes, and you certainly know that,

742
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: you know if you went back and we're in that position,

743
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: and I can't speak to that position, but I'm sure

744
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: you do some things differently as we all would, but

745
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: especially as the lead, I just think so much. I

746
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: think that people wanted to misunderstand him. There came a

747
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: point where that happened, and the show really leaned into

748
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: that he wasn't that bad, you know, he really he

749
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: I he was a lovely person, especially to the women

750
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: he was genuinely interested in. Now you can criticize him

751
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: for not giving every woman that same treatment, but at

752
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: the same time, would you not rather that authenticity on

753
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: both sides. It's a bit of a quandary for sure,

754
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: but I think that it is reprehensible to rake him

755
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: over the coals one more time for good measure, to

756
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: remind us how great but Claire is for bachelorette. When

757
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: Claire is great for bachelorette with or without that, in

758
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: my opinion, absolute freaking lately. Alright, look, we should talk

759
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: about Claire. How what was your what was your relationship

760
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: with her in the house, Claire, Claire and I have

761
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: nothing bad to say about Claire. I honestly thought we

762
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: were friends until I watched it back and she kind

763
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: of said a few things about me, and and that's

764
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: always a little like traumatizing. You're like, oh, yeah, I was,

765
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: as you know. But I have nothing bad to say

766
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: about Claire. I think that she's perfect for the role.

767
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: I've always thought that she would make a great bachelotte,

768
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: and I thought there was a very good chance she

769
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: would get cast actually right out of our season. So

770
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: and actually I remember a Lawn telling me that he

771
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: always he was like, Claire would make a great bachelorette.

772
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: That was so many years ago, and you know he's

773
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: long gone, but he's getting his wishes. He is, you know,

774
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: before we let you go, because I know we're in

775
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: a tight, tight time crunch here, I do want to

776
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: just add a little bit of encouragement to you because

777
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: we haven't you know, we haven't done enough yet. Uh.

778
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: We had Andy Dorfman on an in depth episode about

779
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: a week and a half ago, and she said something

780
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: that I remember about you, Charlotte, and I've We've never

781
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: been on a meet in person, but I've heard a

782
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: lot about you from mutual friends and girls from you

783
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: know that were on my season who have a ton

784
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: of respect for you. Andy said she on Night one

785
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: got out of the limo or was in a limo,

786
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: I don't know the time, I don't remember the exact

787
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: time frame, and she saw you and the first thing

788
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: that came to her mind was I don't belong here,

789
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: because this woman is absolutely gorgeous. And then I remember

790
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: watching this season and there was a moment and that

791
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,959
Speaker 1: you were sitting on a soccer field or a football field,

792
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: in the middle of like the field, right, remember this, Yeah,

793
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: you remember this, And it was a super awkward scene

794
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: because you, yeah, sitting in the middle of a soccer

795
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: field with nobody else around and you're talking. And that

796
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: stands out to me because I do think and I

797
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: could be wrong, but there was just like in the

798
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: first word that comes to my mind is glamorous or

799
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: just like you stood out amongst the masses, which doesn't

800
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: happen easily from this show. And I just want to

801
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: give you some encouragement to say Andy, who was a

802
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: Bachelor app who was on your season, and then me

803
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: years past. Uh, you know that season airing still remembers

804
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: that moment and goes that woman stands out above the rest,

805
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: and I think you have continued to do that. And

806
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: so I just want to say thank you for coming

807
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: on the podcast, thank you for sharing your time with us,

808
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: and uh and yeah, we we loved you just as

809
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: much during this good episode as we did from your

810
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: season to that. Oh, it's add on to that. You're

811
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: so memorable and you were only on one season and

812
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: you were top six, Like, way to go, way toge.

813
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: You're going to laugh at this. One time. Nick was like, wait,

814
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: you were only on that one season, right, And I'm

815
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: like yeah, He's like, I don't know if there's anyone

816
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: who's done more with so little than you. That sounds yeah,

817
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: that sounds very yeah, very Nick Like it's like a

818
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: compliment that you're like, I don't know what to say. Hey, Charlene,

819
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. We appreciate you and uh and

820
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: we'll be keeping up with you as time goes on.

821
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me by for a person who

822
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: made a real splash on one public season to somebody

823
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: who was eliminated a little bit earlier, we had any

824
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: long joining us. Hey, Amy Ashley, how are you good?

825
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: How are you so? We know you're limited? Week two

826
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: of one public season? How well did you get to

827
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: know the guy? I mean not that much, not that much,

828
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: but more than what TV showed, of course, but there's

829
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: always that they always picked the most interesting part of

830
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: the conversation and go with it. So then, looking back

831
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: on your experience, how could you summarize it knowing that

832
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: it probably ended quicker than you were hopeful. Definitely ended

833
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: quicker than I was hopeful, But I think also ended

834
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: faster than even producers thought that it might. I mean,

835
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: they time to come out to my hometown, and I

836
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: don't know, really, I know they just seemed more encouraging.

837
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: They probably do that to everybody to make them hopeful.

838
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: But um, I thought I was going to be around

839
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: a little more because I don't really feel like I

840
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: got that fair of a shot. I wasn't even really

841
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: invited on a date. He just kept me around because

842
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, But well, watching everything back last

843
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: night on the greatest ever time I was, it brought

844
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: back so many memories of how excited I was and

845
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: how open I was to that kind of relationship at

846
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: that time, and and I still felt that way. I

847
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: was like, yes, those were all very real feelings. However,

848
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: watching it back, I can kind of see how the

849
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: whole experience was a little bit more um produced in

850
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: certain ways, I guess, but it was it was still

851
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: those feelings in that moment. We're all real kind of

852
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: like how how all of the girls came back and said,

853
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, yes, that was That's like a fresh

854
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: wound again. That's crazy watching his season back, did you think, oh,

855
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: I dodged a bullet by getting eliminated. We two, I

856
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: didn't waste time or were you like I would have

857
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: rather gone along further so I could have just lived

858
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: the experience more. Uh in the moment and still now

859
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: I guess I would like to have lived the experience

860
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I don't like I said, it

861
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: was hard to get to know him too much, and

862
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't there that long, but we did have interesting conversations.

863
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: The whole premise of the show is to hopefully find love,

864
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: and I knew from the very beginning. Um he interrupted

865
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: me three times when I first got out of the

866
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: Lima before I could even say my name. So I

867
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: was like, well, this is not off to a great start.

868
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: But I'm still like, maybe he's overwhelmed. I'm overwhelmed. This

869
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: is completely new for all of us. So who knows. Um, So,

870
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: I wish I were there a little longer, not only

871
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: to get to know him, but even some of the

872
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: other people that were on my season. I really enjoyed

873
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: them a lot. But you know, they went on this

874
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: crazy journey then, and yeah, it was. It was a

875
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: crazy experience. I still can't believe I did it. I

876
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: kind of wish it would have lasted a a little

877
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: longer in that aspect, but I'm glad that, like nobody's

878
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: time was wasted on my end anyway, the it's always

879
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: interesting amy to sit down with people who were eliminated

880
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: earlier than they probably should have been. Um, And I

881
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: don't know you personally, but I'm assuming that, like you

882
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: have things that want Pablo would have loved to get

883
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: to know better. Right, UM, how how for you was

884
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: that if you can go back to that moment, what

885
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: was the feeling like knowing that you risk a lot,

886
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: that you went on to this show that you put

887
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: yourself out there, and then the feelings of going home

888
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: within two weeks, like what was the emotions like around that.

889
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: I don't why. I don't feel like anybody really could

890
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: even get a good judgment of me. Um. I work

891
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: in TV news, so I'm very higher aware of cameras,

892
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: so I was like, I'm not gonna act like an

893
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: asshole every here. We gotta like keep it cool just

894
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: in case Grandpa's watching. But I, um, I was kind

895
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: of humiliated, just because it is a lot to be like,

896
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: all right, very and as you guys know, a very

897
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: small pool of people even knew what I was doing

898
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: in the first place. But then I was like, oh crap,

899
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: I have to relive all of this in a couple

900
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: of months. But thank goodness, I went to Florida State

901
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: in the national championship game was on that night, so

902
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: I was like, we're just gonna watch them. Yeah, how

903
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 1: well did you get to know Claire during your week there? Um?

904
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: I I did. Actually, you know how they're like everybody's

905
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: so new, so um certain producers, everybody is so kind

906
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: to of course, everybody's in the house in the very beginning,

907
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: putting their best foot forward for the most part, and

908
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: so it was easy to get to know girls right away. Um,

909
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: Claire and I had a whole day at home together whenever,

910
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: you know, there was a big group date, so it

911
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: was one thing to know where then we were actually

912
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: the cameraman because like I said, I worked in TV

913
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: news and I was my own one man ban reporter.

914
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: So they let me like play with the cameras and

915
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: I was shooting interviews with Molly's dog and playing like

916
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: with Claire and she's like holding the boom, and um,

917
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,959
Speaker 1: I think my favorite parts of that whole season were

918
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: the outtakes of that day probably, But and then they

919
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: were like, hey, why don't you go ask her about

920
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: her kiss with Juan Pablo? And I was like, well,

921
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to know about her kissing, but sure

922
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: I will go ask her about that, because you need

923
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: someone to problem too that conversation. But I feel like

924
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: also Claire very much had her head in the game.

925
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's not that she wasn't there to

926
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: make friends. She's a lovely human, but she also like

927
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: knew her end goal was to pursue this person, and

928
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: not necessarily that really on at least the best friends

929
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: with everybody if that makes sense, So Amy, confirm or deny. Uh,

930
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: the report came out years ago that you were asked

931
00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:00,240
Speaker 1: to be on Bachelor in Paradise. It is true. I

932
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 1: I was actually seriously considering it, and um, I still

933
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: kind of like, I wonder if they need another bartender.

934
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: But there was a reason. There was a reason that

935
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: you didn't go on Paradise, and that was because you

936
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: started dating Drew Kinney and he he who season was

937
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: he on? He was on Deserts. So the whole backstory,

938
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: this was just kind of funny whenever I was doing

939
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: the whole hopefully and uh, you know, we were quarantining

940
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: before it was cool over there, but you know, staying

941
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: to question in your hotel room and all of that.

942
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: The like. During that process, they had kind of told

943
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: me to check out Desert Season because the potential bachelor

944
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: is going to be on. Well, there are only three

945
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: people left at that point, so I was like, I

946
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: can do this. I can watch a couple of seasons,

947
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: a couple of episodes of this, but I think that

948
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: and I'll honestly, looking back, all of us girls on

949
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: one public season. Um, and if you remember, they so

950
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: added some girls, so there were extra girls at the

951
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: end of the night. They were like I thought they

952
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: captured at whatever number it was, but then there ended

953
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: up being like five more. Um. I think we were

954
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: all kind of picked for either like Brooks Forrester or

955
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 1: Drew Kitty, and that's why that's what they told me, Hey,

956
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: check it out and there's three left, and like, let

957
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: us know what you're thinking. And whenever they called me

958
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: just to say, hey, this is gonna be one poblo,

959
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: do you still unto it? I was like, sure, why not?

960
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: But then after one publo all of that was over,

961
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: I was like, wonder what this too canny guys up to.

962
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: So whenever they flew me out to ask me, like, hey,

963
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 1: do you want to be on Bachelor in Paradise, it's

964
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: this new show, And my initial reaction was I kind

965
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: of felt humiliated going home so early. I don't know

966
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: if I want to do that to myself again. And

967
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: things were also picking up in my career too, so

968
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know that I can just leave it and

969
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: run around on a beach, because it's kind of the

970
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: opposite of what I should be preturing if I want

971
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: to be taken. Seriously, these were all thoughts that I

972
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: were having I was having in my in my head

973
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: at the time. I kind of wish I could go

974
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: back and be like, yes, let's do it together. But

975
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: he made it. Drew Kenny was runner up on Desiree

976
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: season and that was one season before me. He had

977
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: been through enough at that point and he didn't want

978
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: to expose, you know, any more of his family and

979
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: he had just kind of had it. And we met

980
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: actually on one of my trips out there to talk

981
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: about being on Bachelor in Paradise because he lived in

982
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: l A. I lived in Florida still, so I actually

983
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: messaged him. I was like are you are you were?

984
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: You asked like, what's what's the deal? So we were

985
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: kind of hooking up on Instagram before it was cool

986
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: and I was a deal and are you gonna do it?

987
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: And I'm not really sure about this show because it

988
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: was the first time they had ever even I mentioned it,

989
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: so I was thinking, yeah, like, what's the goal here?

990
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: We all gonna look ridiculous or I don't know. We

991
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: both decided not to do it because we found each

992
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: other instead, and we were like, we don't really need

993
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: that show to finding each other. We already found each

994
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: other there and that's funny enough. We went on a

995
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,720
Speaker 1: trip to Mexico that summer and we just had the blast.

996
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: And I flew out a day early because how to

997
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: get back to work. He ended up running into the

998
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: long Gale and Christops and Chris Harrison and the airport

999
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: on his way back from Mexico. They were filming into Loom.

1000
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: So that's awesome. I was. Yeah, so I was like,

1001
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: this is this is kind of funny. So I didn't

1002
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: messile on a Mexican adventure, Mexico adventure over here, like

1003
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,479
Speaker 1: and I got to go with the person I loved,

1004
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: so it was perfect. How long were you together? Um,

1005
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: we're still in l a together. So wait, you guys

1006
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: are together six years? No? Yeah? Yeah. So it's crazy

1007
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: because I think, like, oh, I wish I were to

1008
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: stay in touch with some of my some of the

1009
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: friends that really got a long with and we still

1010
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: pay each other back on social media makes it really

1011
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: easy for that. But I guess I I mean, I

1012
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: still get my best friend from my bachelor experience and

1013
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: just happened after the fact. Wait, this is wild. This

1014
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: is a story that hasn't been shared enough in Bachelor

1015
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: name pretty private like that. I guess, well, hey from us,

1016
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: it's the almost famous podcast. Congrats, some big deal, a

1017
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: story we didn't even know about it. Thanks guys, Thanks guys.

1018
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing? Then you're engaged. I'm engaged,

1019
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: happily engaged, thrilled. Ashley's happily married, I think with two dogs,

1020
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: and we are happily married and we have one dog,

1021
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: but that one fine, Well there's always she was at

1022
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: her parents house and so there's like six dogs. Yeah, yeah,

1023
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: there she goes, she said. I wanted to say hi,

1024
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, well, depending on where we are in the country,

1025
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: we have a number of dogs. Oh, Amy Long, you

1026
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: are a dream. Hey, congrats again on behalf of all

1027
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: of us. This is a bachelor success story that we

1028
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: will celebrate. Uh please tell Drew hello for us, and uh,

1029
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: we really appreciate you coming on. And I if all

1030
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: else failed, I think you made the right decision, if

1031
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: my opinion matters at all, by not going on Paradise

1032
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: and pursuing this relationship that has proven to stay in

1033
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: the test of time. Amy Long, thank you, Thank you.

1034
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: Great to see you guys, by I mean thank you.

1035
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Thank you. Yeah, of course, I was actually

1036
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: hoping to stick up for one pable a little bit more.

1037
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. After rewatching his the episode, I

1038
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: was like, man, I don't think that he had a

1039
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: fair shot. We talked about it with Charlie and if

1040
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: it makes you feel any better, okay, yeah, what she

1041
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: actually had to say, I was like, I agree. I

1042
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: always admired the hell out of her because she was

1043
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: not a sophisticated and I'll again I was like, wow,

1044
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: she's killer. She she seems to be a consistent voice

1045
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: of not like reason and like logic and just like

1046
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: a really caring voice. Um. So yeah, rough, you don't

1047
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: just like you don't want to see these go Yeah

1048
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: you don't want to see Yeah, you don't want to

1049
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: see these goat episodes go and drag somebody through it again.

1050
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: And it kind of felt like it did right, Um,

1051
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: which is tough, but yeah, he uh that was rough.

1052
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: Well I'm just yeah, I was like, I wonder what

1053
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: he is doing today, but I don't know. I just

1054
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, he just got it so bad.

1055
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm really happy for you. It's really

1056
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: cool to be a bachelor family. And it was this

1057
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: is a fun like revisit because I won't like, like,

1058
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: I kind of avoided it for a while. It's really embarrassed.

1059
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: And then I was like, one, am I embarrassed? This

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00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: is stupid? No, you know, And I think there's always

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00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: that moment where, you know, for me, it was a

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00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: little different because I got back, you know, I went

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01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: from the Bachelor to the Bachelor, and I saw the

1064
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: beauty with I think I got to see the beauty

1065
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: within the craziness of it all. And so I just

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01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: like really have enjoyed meeting the different contestants and the

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01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: people in their stories, um, and now seeing you know,

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01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: everybody come out on the better side of it all.

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01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: Like I think that's good. It's nothing to be embarrassed by.

1070
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: Like everybody has these crazy stories from the show. Um.

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01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just appreciate you coming on because life

1072
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: has moved on, right, I'm engaged with somebody who's never

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01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: been a part of the show. But it's fun to

1074
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: get to meet people like you who've done it, who've

1075
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: been in it. And you know, I had no clue

1076
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: and that's my fault that you were still in a

1077
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: sense in it. And uh, I'm really happy to hear that.

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01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: Thank I'll pass that on to please do so. Thanks An. Yeah,

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01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: thanks guys, great to chat with you too. Well, we

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01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: want to think Charlie joint for joining this podcast. She

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01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: is a voice of reason and just tremendous voice in

1082
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: the Bachelor family. If you want to hear her voice more, uh,

1083
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: you have to go listen to her podcast, Dear Shandy.

1084
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: It is terrific. Uh. You can hear her wisdom, her insight,

1085
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: her elegance, and also her raw honesty. So again, go

1086
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: check out Charlene's podcast, Dear Shandy. Well, our next guest

1087
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: was not a part of Wan Pablo season. We're getting

1088
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,479
Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air from somebody that can offer it. Uh.

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01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: We have Heather Martin on the line right now. Heather

1090
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: has been working on a few projects. She's been traveling

1091
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: the US, uh, and we have her live. Heather, Welcome

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01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: to the podcast. Thanks for having me, guys, It's good

1093
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: to be here. So Heather, catch us up a little bit.

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01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: I know we have some specific things we want to

1095
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: talking about, especially the new music video coming out, some

1096
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: of your projects you're working on. Also, I have been

1097
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: following I think last evening this is going to come

1098
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: off so weird. Um, And there's no other way to say.

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01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: I watched you in the bathtub um with Hannah Brown

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01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: answering questions to fans. So you have been up to

1101
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: some stuff? What's been going on? So? I mean so

1102
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: right now, Hannah the last minute last week it was

1103
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: like you when it comes to this spot with me.

1104
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: So currently I'm at this insane health spat, so she

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01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: said spot. I didn't realize so I was thinking just

1106
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: like relaxing spat. But we're at this like it's called here, yes,

1107
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: and it is insane. It's like absolutely stunning and it's

1108
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: like European style in the hills. It's like absolutely beautiful,

1109
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: but it is insane. Like we're working up at six

1110
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: am and working out like all day and then being

1111
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: like treated like queens and jumping around the golf car

1112
01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: and getting massages. So it's been pretty cool. But yeah,

1113
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: where are you there for? Um? It's a three day

1114
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: retreat so we leave today. But that's awesome. Have you

1115
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: have you and Hannah always been this close or has

1116
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: it been since she moved to California that you guys

1117
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: got closer? Oh? No, And me and Hannah have always

1118
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: been super close. Um, I haven't been able to hear us.

1119
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: That's just because she's been on TV shows like for

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01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: the past year. But no, yeah, we've all believe them

1121
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: close forever since the show the the This Retreat. Yeah again,

1122
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: I have been watching you, um and this this retreat

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01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: does look amazing. Uh, just for anybody out there listening,

1124
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: who you know, it's like, hey, I need a girls

1125
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: get away or guys get away or couples get away,

1126
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: whatever it is. How are you feeling three days into

1127
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: a health and wellness retreat? Has it been worth it

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01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: for your friendship and for you personally? It is totally

1129
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: unworth it. I mean we're kind of I feel like

1130
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: we're not doing it in the way that everyone does it.

1131
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: Like like last night we like so you're just calories

1132
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: a day and we just, um, we went crazy last

1133
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: night and like begged the front desk to let us

1134
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: get some and sneak some pizza. And but no, it's

1135
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: been feeling amazing for the most part, as long as like,

1136
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: I feel like it would be even better if we're

1137
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: actually eating great and but it's been. It's been great,

1138
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: And it's been so fun to like actually connect with

1139
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: Hannah again. And like just have someone on one time.

1140
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: So so new something something that you have out is

1141
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: a music video with loss in Bates is a song

1142
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: called song for a Girl. How did you get in

1143
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:46,439
Speaker 1: a music video? So it's so so random. Um, it's

1144
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: been like my life long goal. I'm like, there's like

1145
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: there's one thing I want to do in life. It

1146
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: was being a country music video, which is like the

1147
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: most random thing, but it was so he just randomly

1148
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: message gm mea on Instagram, was like, Hey, do you

1149
01:04:58,320 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: want me in the music video? And I was like,

1150
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: no questions asked, absolutely and so um yeah, he like

1151
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 1: it would just message me in the beginning of July

1152
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: and then like two weeks later he like flew um

1153
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: their team flew me and my little sister out to Nashville.

1154
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: And then yeah, that's kind of how it happened. That's

1155
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: so cool. You join a whole bunch of bachelor girls

1156
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: who have been in music videos. Now Tia has been

1157
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: in a country music video, right, and so is hand

1158
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: I think, Hannah Gee, am I'm making that up? Hannah

1159
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: Gee did a butt like she was like she like

1160
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: did a bunch of music videos, like even before the

1161
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: show is there anybody a missing? I think Hannah and

1162
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: oh yeah, thank you. I knew there was the other one. Yeah,

1163
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: I think she did them too. There's obviously a plane here.

1164
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: Country singers are singing seeing that's a target demographic. Did

1165
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: you know team that I was once in a country

1166
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: music No, but I was gonna say, I'm sure Lauren

1167
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: Bushnell has been in a country music that would make sense. Yeah,

1168
01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: that would make sense. Um. I was in Ford's uh

1169
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: country music video. You can look it up. I was

1170
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: a school teacher who was just greatly um her and

1171
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: confused by a girl. It's it's a great, a great watch.

1172
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: Wait what was this was last year? Um? The song

1173
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: is how You Lose a Woman by cult Ford. Um,

1174
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: I do play a school teacher. Um, I am you know.

1175
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: In fact, I'm not gonna give you too much away

1176
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: because I think you need to go out and watch

1177
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: this video. Um, but before you that, you have to

1178
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: watch Heather's video that just came out. Then. Well, I

1179
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: wasn't this in Hot Topics last year? Honestly, I don't know,

1180
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: like I eliminated it from the Hot Topics. It is

1181
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: actually it's really fun. Um I was distressed, but the

1182
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: crazy part is so Heather. I don't know if you

1183
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: had this experience, but you're kind of acting out whatever

1184
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: it is that the artist asks of you during this

1185
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: video and the kind of the music is playing in

1186
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: the background, But you hear this song twenty thirty forty

1187
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times, and it's you know,

1188
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: there's multiple cameras and there's multiple camera crews and there's producers. Uh,

1189
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: it is a it is an intensive experience. How long

1190
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: is your shoot? Was it one day or is it

1191
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: multiple days? There's just one day. I like to consider

1192
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: myself a one take guy. So yeah, and I do

1193
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: know how to lose a woman no longer, but I did,

1194
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: and so I was pretty good at it. That's amazing.

1195
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: It was you in like the school the entire time.

1196
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: Like was she a fellow teacher? Uh? Well, I don't

1197
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: really know who the woman was that he was referencing

1198
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: because she never showed up in the video. Um but

1199
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: Colt played the janitor who was kind of overhearing my complaints,

1200
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: and I was the school teacher in my office, frustrated,

1201
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: its saddened her. I was making poor decisions. I was

1202
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: staying at work too late. Um so when it comes

1203
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: to though, Yeah, I'm not the topic here to talk about.

1204
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: I get to talk about myself all the time on

1205
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: this podcast. There's some flecting. Yeah about what is the song?

1206
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: H what is the song that you played in? What

1207
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: is that about? Um? It's so it's called song for

1208
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,759
Speaker 1: a Girl. So basically it's like a very lighthearted song

1209
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: about he's singing a song. It's like a summertime vibe

1210
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: song that he's like singing it about. He can't like

1211
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: focus on writing or anything that he's doing because he's

1212
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: just thinking about the girl. So that's pretty much it.

1213
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, People Magazine said it is depicting the early

1214
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: stage of a blossoming romance. And when I see these

1215
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 1: pictures of you with Lawson, I think, oh my god,

1216
01:08:55,680 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: have there kissed another guy? Yeah? What I'm saying that like,

1217
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking at these pictures and I'm feeling a blossoming

1218
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: romance between you two. Was there anything more than just

1219
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: co stars here? No? No, wasn't there really wasn't he was.

1220
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 1: He was literally he was so much fun. But yeah, no, Unfortunately, Well,

1221
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: according to last night's uh Instagram live, UH, you are

1222
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: looking for a man with a servant's heart who was

1223
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: humble and kind of love. Have you found this man?

1224
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 1: I have not. I have not found this man yet.

1225
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: I feel like they're ben Where do you guys have

1226
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: any suggestions far between? Well, we we know a lot

1227
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: of people from the Bachelor franchise. I think some of

1228
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: them would fall into this category. Uh, the for anybod

1229
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: be out there right now that is single, that is dating,

1230
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: how are you going about finding this man or this partner?

1231
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: For you? Me? How am I? I'm really not. I

1232
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: think that's the issue. You probably, I mean I don't.

1233
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: I don't really, especially like right now. It's like, I

1234
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 1: don't know, how do you meet people in this time?

1235
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: It's really hard. You know, it's not easy. I mean

1236
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 1: obviously you know there is the social distancing, there is

1237
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: the pandemic. I don't know if dating has ever been easy.

1238
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: I don't remember any generation that said that, Hey, dating

1239
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: is super simple. But I had some advice and I

1240
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: got to give a shout out to our scrubbing in

1241
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: podcast friends Becca and Tanya. Tanya a little over a

1242
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: year ago gave me some advice to any single person

1243
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: out there, and this is what she told me. I

1244
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's simple, but I think it's

1245
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: the best advice I've ever been given. Um. She said,

1246
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: if you're single and you want a partner, some don't.

1247
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: It's great. If you're single and looking, you can never

1248
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: stop dating. Keep dating, go on bad dates, go on

1249
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: good dates, go on dates in between. It helps you

1250
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: not only get out there and find what you're looking for,

1251
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: but it also helps you create stories and connect with

1252
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: people that you typically wouldn't connect with. And I think

1253
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: for me, I just took that and I've told any

1254
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: of my single friends that like, if you're looking, just

1255
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: don't stop dating. Get out there, have fun. People are

1256
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: interested in all different sorts of people. That is that's

1257
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: true because it's the total opposite. I recently told the

1258
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: friend was like, I'm just like, I don't know, I

1259
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: want to give up so bad. Um, And I was like,

1260
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, if you if you stop dating,

1261
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you're giving up. It just means that,

1262
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: like the universe is going to help, is going to

1263
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: get your guy to you in a different way. It'll

1264
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: just come in a different way. And now you just

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Speaker 1: around life like go grabbing a coffee and like then

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Speaker 1: there's a cute guy on lines something like that. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, you never know. I know. That's the thing

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Speaker 1: is like I just I really I love meeting new

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Speaker 1: people and I love like connecting with people. But I

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Speaker 1: just I don't like I hate dating because like I

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Speaker 1: hate going on a date and then then and then

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Speaker 1: you just I feel like I kind of know immediately

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Speaker 1: and it's like you have to say no to a

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Speaker 1: second day. It's just like I feel terrible. It like

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Speaker 1: stresses me out. It makes me feel like a terrible human,

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Speaker 1: and so I just kind of try to avoid it,

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Speaker 1: which is probably the wrong move. Well, you're young enough

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Speaker 1: that if you want to avoid it, you can go

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Speaker 1: ahead and avoid it. Actually, and I will disagree on this,

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Speaker 1: I think you just keep dating. I think people can.

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Speaker 1: I think people can take getting said no to a

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Speaker 1: few times. I think you can. You can take saying

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Speaker 1: no to people a few times. But you are a catch. Um,

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Speaker 1: You're a terrific human. I hope you have a blast

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Speaker 1: on this reat. Three. And and please, from from Ashley myself,

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Speaker 1: please pass on to Hannah that we say hello and

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Speaker 1: wishing her the best again. If you want to find

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Speaker 1: Heather Martin. Uh, go listen to and watch Song for

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Speaker 1: a Girl. This is a beautiful song. Uh. Heather is

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Speaker 1: in the video and it's by Lawson Bates. Song for

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Speaker 1: a Girl by Lawson Bates. Heather Martin, thank you for

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Speaker 1: coming on. Awesome. Thanks guys on this podcast. Obviously at

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Speaker 1: the beginning, we topped at this podcast. Obviously at the beginning,

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Speaker 1: we hit some hot topics that are big and Bachelor Nation.

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Speaker 1: We then went on to have some tremendous guests. We

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Speaker 1: want to thank Charlene, Amy and Heather for coming on

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Speaker 1: the podcast today. They were all terrific and all insightful

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Speaker 1: and Uh. And then I want to thank my co

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Speaker 1: host Ashley for sitting with us for the last hour

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Speaker 1: plus walking through everything Bachelor. Hey, we'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: next week. Uh. We have a really great in depth

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Speaker 1: coming up. As we mentioned with Jason Tardik, it's going

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Speaker 1: to be terrific. I'm super excited for that. UM, make

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Speaker 1: sure you go back and check out our other in

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Speaker 1: depths over the last year. They're they're timeless. UM. You

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Speaker 1: can get insight and gain insight from many past contestants.

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Speaker 1: But until then, I've been been I've Been Ashley. Followed

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