Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, Armstrong and
Speaker 1: Getti and no he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 2: And finally no, everybody has to start getting a little
Speaker 2: more excited for America's birthday. Come on, our big two
Speaker 2: point fifty is coming up. It's on July fourth for
Speaker 2: the kids in our public school. And I think that's
Speaker 2: a pretty big.
Speaker 1: Deal a joke.
Speaker 3: I get it, and I get why people laugh, but
Speaker 3: it angers me. Since I got two kids in school.
Speaker 3: It angers me and just reminded me this is not
Speaker 3: a school thing. But my son was watching I think
Speaker 3: it was Netflix. They got a bunch of biography documentaries
Speaker 3: on about.
Speaker 1: Various big names.
Speaker 3: Throughout our history, and Henry started watching the Teddy Roosevelt
Speaker 3: one and he came to he so I had to
Speaker 3: turn it off.
Speaker 1: He said, all they do is talk about what a
Speaker 1: racist he was.
Speaker 3: Just, you know, just the way everything is now, everybody
Speaker 3: from the past in America, let us explain to you
Speaker 3: why they were actually terrible and why what America doing
Speaker 3: this was terrible?
Speaker 1: Right right, Which is a deliberate tactic, but it's also
Speaker 1: that horrible egotism of presidentism where you pick out an
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln and explain how you're so much better than
Speaker 1: Lincoln was because you have modern attitudes. It's just so
Speaker 1: self serving and it's you know, Orwellian trying to pervert
Speaker 1: your history so you don't know who you are as
Speaker 1: a people anymore. So Bill Maher was talking about patriotism
Speaker 1: and the two hundred well specifically the two hundred and
Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday of the country, and we're going to play
Speaker 1: some of that. I was struck, and we talked about
Speaker 1: this last week that back in two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: pre nine to eleven, by the way, nearly of Americans
Speaker 1: were extremely are very proud of their country, just under
Speaker 1: ninety percent, and in twenty seventeen it was seventy five percent.
Speaker 1: And now overall it is fifty six percent, and it's
Speaker 1: ninety percent of Republicans and just under thirty percent of Democrats.
Speaker 1: I was in the twenties for Democrats, twenty nine yeap
Speaker 1: of all ages. Yeah, correct, wow, and Democrats. Democrats are
Speaker 1: a much younger cohort in general than Republicans. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and I would argue, and I'll keep this brief and
Speaker 1: then we'll get back to Bill Maher. As I often say,
Speaker 1: kids learn what they're taught, and they've been taught by
Speaker 1: their entire by the school system, their entire lives for
Speaker 1: the reasons we've talked about, that they should be ashamed
Speaker 1: of being Americans, they should be ashamed of their privilege,
Speaker 1: and that it's a bad country. It's the most racist
Speaker 1: country on earth. They actually were saying that during the
Speaker 1: War Woke Apocalypse.
Speaker 3: Well, and if you don't feel that way among your
Speaker 3: young hip crowd.
Speaker 1: You're kind of an idiot, kind of yeah, you're really
Speaker 1: really a poultroon right. So I was glad to hear
Speaker 1: Bill Maher talking about this the other night.
Speaker 2: Every election year, Democrats seem to remember patriotism for about
Speaker 2: an hour at their convention when they're trying to win
Speaker 2: back swing voters. The whole message of Kamala's speech in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four was.
Speaker 1: Take back the flag.
Speaker 2: That's why she talked about America like a pageant contestant.
Speaker 1: The greatest privilege on earth, the privilege and pride of
Speaker 1: being an American. Hard to believe she lost.
Speaker 2: Huh, Well, you can't take back the flag in an hour.
Speaker 2: If the rest of the time you treat patriotism as
Speaker 2: something vaguely embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Vaguely embarrassing, I would say specific contemptibly embarrassing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if some if you're I can picture certain picturing
Speaker 3: certain specific people, But if they are like standing around
Speaker 3: having a drink or whatever, and somebody said something up
Speaker 3: with America ish, it would be vaguely embarrassing. It would
Speaker 3: be kind of uncomfortable with that person, uncomfortable for them
Speaker 3: that they said this sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Out loud, right, Yeah, yeah, indeed, Yeah, he goes on.
Speaker 2: I remember from nineteen seventy six. Oh yes, I remember.
Speaker 2: I was twenty and I wore a Bison tennial T
Speaker 2: shirt that whole summer. Inflation was around six percent, mortgage
Speaker 2: rates were almost nine There was actually a thing called
Speaker 2: the misery index. The average person earned far less than
Speaker 2: they do today. They had a smaller house and watched
Speaker 2: a tiny TV that had three channels, mostly I love
Speaker 2: Lucy reruns. The closest thing we had to euphoria was
Speaker 2: Three's company.
Speaker 1: Our AI was cliff Notes.
Speaker 2: Women had just won the to get a credit card
Speaker 2: without their husband signing off on it, and there were
Speaker 2: no women on the Supreme Court and only nineteen in Congress.
Speaker 2: Do you think filling up your tank is a headache?
Speaker 1: Now? Back then, being online.
Speaker 2: Meant you were waiting for gas.
Speaker 1: We ran all those. That's a week or so ago.
Speaker 3: Somebody pointing out how much worse the situation was for
Speaker 3: the average American in nineteen seventy six than it is now.
Speaker 1: Yet we were more fond of our country, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: almost universally final clip.
Speaker 2: La had smag days, buildings had asbestos, radio had disco duck.
Speaker 1: Things were bad, man so bad.
Speaker 2: I was forced to sell everyone drugs just to cheer
Speaker 2: them up. And yet, and yet it didn't stop us
Speaker 2: from making nineteen seventy six one big p. Did he
Speaker 2: freak off for America? Because ask Joe Biden, you only
Speaker 2: turn two hundred once, so so come on, it's the
Speaker 2: fourth go let this year's fourth because another excuse for
Speaker 2: partisans soaking. Let it be an excuse to be really
Speaker 2: hungover on the fifth.
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting that he is willing to say
Speaker 3: or notices that the Democratic Party is not patriotic. It's
Speaker 3: almost hard to imagine not being in favor of the
Speaker 3: country you live in. I can't quite wrap my head
Speaker 3: around that. He can be very unhappy with a current
Speaker 3: administration or various policies, But you really, you're not patriotic.
Speaker 3: How often has that ever happened anywhere on Earth in
Speaker 3: the history of the planet, Where people aren't patriotic about
Speaker 3: the country they live in.
Speaker 1: And failed miserable countries, it's pretty common there. Even then
Speaker 1: there's a certain national right. So do you just said
Speaker 1: something there? So in failed miserable countries it's come to
Speaker 1: not be patriotic. How about in successful will continue to
Speaker 1: be successful countries? Does that happen? Oh? Yeah, well it's
Speaker 1: happening now in ours because those who want to overthrow
Speaker 1: the system have gotten hold of education, so they've convinced
Speaker 1: a couple of generations of kids. This is a failed
Speaker 1: and miserable country in spite of all the evidence. It's
Speaker 1: really it's rough. Rich Lowry was writing about this, and
Speaker 1: he says, even if you have contempt for the party
Speaker 1: in power, and this, you know, the whole let's not
Speaker 1: make this about Trump, for God's sake, is true on
Speaker 1: both sides of the aisle, and we'll get to that later.
Speaker 1: But even if you have contempt for the party in power,
Speaker 1: there's the country's founding, it's constitutional system, it's stupendous wealth,
Speaker 1: it's great heroes, it's victories in two world wars, it's
Speaker 1: natural beauty, it's endlessly interesting, fair minded and inventive people
Speaker 1: to feel proud of. Many Democrats are unmoved by these things,
Speaker 1: or consider them sources of embarrassment. The founding tainted by racism,
Speaker 1: the constitutional system an antiquated obstacle to progress, the economy
Speaker 1: rigged by in four billionaires are heroes, feet of clay
Speaker 1: or worse. And the keyword here is systemic is in
Speaker 1: systemic racism, which suggests that racism is not a product
Speaker 1: of historical circumstance, but endemic to the American project itself,
Speaker 1: probably irredeemable.
Speaker 3: Well, that's all internal, domestic stuff. How about the view
Speaker 3: you're taught about our role in the world.
Speaker 1: We make the.
Speaker 3: World worse and cause wars and make it more violent,
Speaker 3: not make it less. Yeah, I'm very cynical about this,
Speaker 3: like incredibly cynical about this.
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll turn around. I think that.
Speaker 3: Growing pause, aggressive, happy cultures have a lifespan to them,
Speaker 3: and for some of it, for whatever reason, they just
Speaker 3: they have a lifespan to them, and.
Speaker 1: We've turned into.
Speaker 3: Spoiled, entitled trust fund country that is going to complain
Speaker 3: about our amazing lot in life until.
Speaker 1: We've destroyed it. Yeah, I think that is part of it.
Speaker 1: It's the whole cycle of strong tough times and strong people, etc.
Speaker 1: That we all know. The Other half of it is, though,
Speaker 1: as I said, we allowed the far left to get
Speaker 1: hold of our education system, and you think the battle
Speaker 1: is probably lost. Maybe I just can't admit it. I'm
Speaker 1: reminded of certain tragic circumstances where an infection got out
Speaker 1: of control in the patient turned septic and died, sometimes
Speaker 1: at a healthy young age. I've got to admit, if
Speaker 1: somebody put a gun to my head and made me
Speaker 1: bet in some weird compulsory casino, I would bet that
Speaker 1: we can't save the patient. I hope I'm wrong. I
Speaker 1: pray i'm wrong. I work, I get up in the
Speaker 1: morning trying to make myself wrong that the infection of
Speaker 1: our education system, thereby the hearts and minds of our children,
Speaker 1: it's too late to solve. I hope I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: Well, we used to think a cataclism could turn it around.
Speaker 3: The pandemic was a cataclysm and it made it worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but this is yes because it's fundamentally different
Speaker 1: than it ever was before. That supports my theory. Before
Speaker 1: we were a family that but bickered like crazy. We
Speaker 1: were a couple of brothers that fought a lot, but
Speaker 1: if by God, somebody threatened our sister or threatened our family,
Speaker 1: we would band together and be absolutely inseparable. That was
Speaker 1: the United States for a couple of centuries. But now,
Speaker 1: because kids have been taught to hate their country, if
Speaker 1: a threat comes, they divide to their camps. They're no
Speaker 1: longer part of the family. They're ashamed of the family.
Speaker 1: That's the difference.
Speaker 3: I think nine to eleven happened George Bush went to
Speaker 3: ninety some percent approval rating. Would that happen with any
Speaker 3: president of either party at this point?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Not a chance unless they transcended party.
Speaker 1: And this too shall pass the incredibly divided Trumpian era.
Speaker 1: But what happens next, I don't know. Because of the
Speaker 1: factor of the kids, like I've been talking about, I
Speaker 1: could see a Marco Rubio or a Rama Manual or
Speaker 1: somebody like that doing the right things in the right
Speaker 1: way and rallying the country and it being a lot
Speaker 1: better than it's been lately, but it won't be like
Speaker 1: it was. I don't think until we get control of
Speaker 1: the education system again and get the infection out of
Speaker 1: our bloodstream. So you got some pot, Yes, I am
Speaker 1: calling for detention camps, very cush, very maane, perhaps prison
Speaker 1: islands for gen z oh. I got a thing about how.
Speaker 3: The young crowd is so tired of they're burnt out
Speaker 3: at work. If you're already burnt out and you're twenty three,
Speaker 3: life is going to be long.
Speaker 1: That is so funny. I can't even summon up a laugh.
Speaker 1: It's like so funny, it's horrifying. I got the stats
Speaker 1: on that. I think I might have a.
Speaker 3: Reason why they might be right, or where they might
Speaker 3: actually be feeling that.
Speaker 1: I think so anyway, lots of stuff on the way,
Speaker 1: stay here, bart hey, Yeddi.
Speaker 4: A family is searching for answers after a Tesla crashed,
Speaker 4: killing seventy six year old grandmother Martha Avila. Her daughter,
Speaker 4: Jennifer Barber, was in the backyard when authorities say a
Speaker 4: Tesla Model three was speeding before veering off the road,
Speaker 4: slamming into the family's home in Katie Tech, where Avila
Speaker 4: was inside. The forty four year old driver Michael Butler,
Speaker 4: allegedly told deputies he was using his car's automated driving system.
Speaker 4: Now investigators are working to determine if that technology played
Speaker 4: a role.
Speaker 3: Was having this conversation with someone over the weekend? Go
Speaker 3: interesting to watch the rollout of this. Every time a
Speaker 3: self driving car makes a mistake makes national news. People
Speaker 3: human beings make mistakes thousands of times across this country
Speaker 3: every single day, including fatal ones, right, that don't make
Speaker 3: any news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking about that as I listened to it.
Speaker 1: The you know, you spend your life trying to figure
Speaker 1: out humanity and by the time you do, you die. Uh.
Speaker 1: But yeah, here's a new technology that's unquestionably great. But wait,
Speaker 1: it caused a problem. And everybody's like, really, what what
Speaker 1: happened with this new technology? Right?
Speaker 3: And I am I'm really concerned. I think this will happen.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have the right to drive taken away from us.
Speaker 3: I do think this will happen at some point, and
Speaker 3: the argument will be these things are safer. They don't
Speaker 3: even need to mandate it. No insurance company will give
Speaker 3: you insurance I'm not gonna let you pilot this with
Speaker 3: your hands and wreck the be much more likely to
Speaker 3: wreck the car, and we have to pay for it
Speaker 3: as an insurance company. When in a you know, self
Speaker 3: driving car, my risk goes way way down. So that's
Speaker 3: what will happen over time, but for right now anyway,
Speaker 3: we react to the rare somebody getting hurt by.
Speaker 1: A computer.
Speaker 3: Much more than we react to human beings, and there
Speaker 3: is some psychological weirdness there. If my kid got run
Speaker 3: over by a self driving car, it would somehow be
Speaker 3: like worse than if a person made a mistaken I'm
Speaker 3: not sure, or seem more unfair, not worse where you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know how it could be worse, but more
Speaker 3: unfair somehow, or more preventable somehow, or something.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I'm trying here. The person
Speaker 1: making human error is part of the world we live
Speaker 1: in and always has been. You just accept it as
Speaker 1: being human. But a company introducing a technology that goes
Speaker 1: sideways and kills somebody that's rectifiable, Maybe that's it. Ellen.
Speaker 3: I've grandfathered in the chance that a idiot twenty five
Speaker 3: year old driving way too fast in our neighborhood might
Speaker 3: run over a kid, right, but a self driving car.
Speaker 3: Nobody was ever predicting robots killing someone.
Speaker 1: Or, as you pointed out many times, a middle aged
Speaker 1: soccer mom in a minivan driving way too fast and
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I don't know where this is going.
Speaker 3: I don't know if states will allow the self driving
Speaker 3: cars like fully autonomous vehicles for those of a stone,
Speaker 3: I don't know when that will happen. Insurance companies are
Speaker 3: still allowing you to drive, then when they turn out
Speaker 3: to be safer.
Speaker 1: This, this is all going to happen fairly soon. I
Speaker 1: think I could see you could self ensure for collision
Speaker 1: and damage to the other vehicle. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: have enough money, you can, but liability insurance if without
Speaker 1: the you know, you know how insurance works. You have
Speaker 1: a huge pool of people and you dilute risk in essence,
Speaker 1: you spread it out so you pay a fraction of
Speaker 1: it because only small percentage of people ever need to
Speaker 1: make a claim. But if they do what you've suggested,
Speaker 1: they'll do and I think you're right, Yeah, you will
Speaker 1: have to like have your own ability to pay off
Speaker 1: any liability claim, which could run into millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: So driving by driving yourself could become the province of
Speaker 1: the very very rich and nobody else unless you're a
Speaker 1: law breaker. I could see that easily. I think it.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: I don't know how many decades this will take, but
Speaker 3: it'll be really frowned upon the idea of a human
Speaker 3: being piloting a two ton vehicle down the street.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Thoughts on fatherhood coming up, stay with us,
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3: I forgot I keep forgetting the look up ones the
Speaker 3: next time the United States plays soccer. We kicked the
Speaker 3: ass of Australia on Friday, and I've looked this up
Speaker 3: like three times and I can't remember it because I
Speaker 3: don't care, so damn it.
Speaker 1: You care enough to look but not enough to remember. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'll figure that out. While you're speaking of sports. I
Speaker 1: love this. Then we'll get into the substance of the segment.
Speaker 1: But the Babylon B, which rarely disappoints, MLB rebrands to
Speaker 1: MLBTQ plus in an effort to better reflect the league's values.
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball announced that it had officially rebranded from
Speaker 1: MLB to MLBTQ plus on the yiels of a controversy
Speaker 1: over players writing Bible versus on their league mandated Pride uniforms.
Speaker 1: Commissioner Rob Manfred felt it was time to make the
Speaker 1: league stance on gender and sexuality crystal clear. Quote. This
Speaker 1: is who we are now. Nothing is more critical to
Speaker 1: the mission of Major League Baseball than gay stuff. This
Speaker 1: rebranding reflects the core purpose of our league, which is
Speaker 1: to talk about who is having sex with whom. We're
Speaker 1: not here to just throw a ball around or collect hit,
Speaker 1: saves and wins. This isn't about some game. This is
Speaker 1: about sexual deviancy. Wow, this isn't about some game. This
Speaker 1: is about sexual deviancy. According to league sources, several players
Speaker 1: push back against the change, asking if they could instead
Speaker 1: just play baseball. Quote. I'd like to just throw the ball,
Speaker 1: said one pitcher, on condition of anonymity. You know, like baseball,
Speaker 1: try to throw strikes and get people out and all that.
Speaker 1: I'm just not quite making the connection between this game
Speaker 1: and gay stuff and publishing time. Manford announced further plans
Speaker 1: for the league to promote tolerance by banning all Christians
Speaker 1: from playing. That's pretty good, right, that's really fun soccer.
Speaker 3: The world's most popular sport are So I'm told so
Speaker 3: in Australia to nothing. We're in first place in the
Speaker 3: group D standings by a lot and we take on
Speaker 3: you got to play everybody in your group. So we
Speaker 3: beat Paraguay, We beat Australia. The only other team left
Speaker 3: in our group is Turkey and we play them on Thursday.
Speaker 3: They have zero points so far because they have accomplished
Speaker 3: nothing in their first two games.
Speaker 1: Boy, we are gonna smoke Turkey. Huh oh, let's see,
Speaker 1: or we're gonna what a deep fright, We're gonna deep fraight. No,
Speaker 1: that's not a thing and ring their next Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go winner, love it. And I'm sorry when do
Speaker 1: we play? Have you forgotten already? I don't have five
Speaker 1: minutes because I don't care. Turkey Thursday, Turkey Thursday. That's right,
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, That's how I'll remember. Thank you. So I
Speaker 1: thought this was wonderful. None of this is anything we
Speaker 1: haven't talked about. But Alex Berenson wrote a piece for
Speaker 1: the Free presses that fathers are not mothers. And he
Speaker 1: writes about and we have decried this for the longest time,
Speaker 1: the stereotyping of fathers in the last fifty years or so.
Speaker 1: Maybe he says it starts practically at birth. He remembers
Speaker 1: reading The Berenstein Bears for his kids, and in every book,
Speaker 1: hard working, practical Mama ran the house, she cooked clean,
Speaker 1: took care of the cubs, pot bellied, and titled dopey
Speaker 1: Papa got in the way. He was surprised at how
Speaker 1: unsubtle the message was, and it shouldn't have been. The
Speaker 1: idea that father knows best is long gone, and for decades,
Speaker 1: if not generations, the media hystereotyped fathers is goofy, hapless
Speaker 1: fools who depend on their superhero wives to pay the
Speaker 1: bills and take care of their kids. When did they
Speaker 1: write Berenstein Bears?
Speaker 3: Because I actually had this conversation over the weekend as
Speaker 3: we're trying to nail down When did the turn happen?
Speaker 3: Where all the sitcoms TV shows portrayed Ad as a
Speaker 3: just really more in the way than helpful. Did the
Speaker 3: family tried to succeed despite Dad being in the way
Speaker 3: all the time? Early nineties sometime because you know, you
Speaker 3: had a Huxtable in the eighties with the Cosby Show.
Speaker 3: Somewhere in the nineties, the dad became mostly a detriment
Speaker 3: to the family. Thank god Mom can overcome his idiocy
Speaker 3: and sloth and everything to make the family work.
Speaker 1: The baron state bears actually started in nineteen sixty two
Speaker 1: and stretched on for years and years after that. I
Speaker 1: think that's when it became when you're talking about like
Speaker 1: omni present, and I was thinking about this very thing
Speaker 1: having read that paragraph back in the actual really male dominated,
Speaker 1: paternalistic culture of the earlier part of the century and everything.
Speaker 1: The idea of scure that was a way, you know,
Speaker 1: humor does this. It questions power, and it suggests changes
Speaker 1: that might be good. And it was fine during the
Speaker 1: father Knows Best era or whatever to poke a little
Speaker 1: fun at dads and their foibles. But then it passed
Speaker 1: some sort of weird tipping point where it became not
Speaker 1: a challenge to authority but like punching down in the
Speaker 1: way that a lot of progressivism is that men are
Speaker 1: stupid and toxic and must be kept down, and fathers
Speaker 1: must be mocked at all costs, because to let up
Speaker 1: on that beating would be to embrace the patriarchy. I
Speaker 1: guess it's like, you know, you still see all these
Speaker 1: programs for women in college and trying to get women
Speaker 1: to college and women in law and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and like women dominate undergrad and grad school and law schools.
Speaker 1: And it's like, all right, when do you stop punching
Speaker 1: or when do you just admit it? Something different? And
Speaker 1: I think that happened with dads anyway. He points out
Speaker 1: that meanwhile, feminist academics crank out research claiming father's coast
Speaker 1: and married households where both parents work, they don't do
Speaker 1: any of the child caring or housework or blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: And he points out he knows lots of folks middle
Speaker 1: upper middle class, suburban urban families. He knows, he said,
Speaker 1: nobody confront is conforms to that stereotype. He doesn't know
Speaker 1: anybody who died. I don't much less everybody. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I know, not at all. Me neither. I don't even
Speaker 1: think I've met that down Nope. Yeah, anyway, he says,
Speaker 1: in all the families he knows, childcare is split mostly equally.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when the fathers are the primary wage journers, they
Speaker 1: get a break a little bit. Same split in reverse, though,
Speaker 1: when the women of the house make more, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. In your home. This may not be the case.
Speaker 1: This is not about everybody. This is true for everybody.
Speaker 1: It's just that the stereotype is far far from accurate.
Speaker 1: And then he goes into some stereotypes. The blue collar dad,
Speaker 1: the emotionally distant blue collar dad who hardly notices his
Speaker 1: daughters and whose interest in his sons begins and ends
Speaker 1: with their ability to put a perfect spiral on a football.
Speaker 1: But other than that, blue collar dad ignores the job entirely. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the white collar dad, he describes, where is that, I
Speaker 1: can't remember where the hell is that? It doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: But the point is in both cases, dad is uninvolved,
Speaker 1: pretty much useless, and throughout academia Hollywood in the media,
Speaker 1: the only good dad is a feminized gentle Oh there
Speaker 1: it is. If the white collar dad father is a
Speaker 1: fool who tries but fails to share parenting, is blue
Speaker 1: collar counterpart ignores the job entirely, So at least white
Speaker 1: color Dad's enlightened enough to know he should try, But
Speaker 1: he's still an idiot in a buffoon. Throughout academia Hollywood
Speaker 1: in the media, the only good dad is a feminized
Speaker 1: gentle parent who never raises his voice, is always ready
Speaker 1: with a hug, and never lets his kids take a
Speaker 1: risk or get hurt. Otherwise, in other words, the only
Speaker 1: good dad is a mom. And here he gets to
Speaker 1: the point these lies, and they are lies, have real consequences.
Speaker 1: They discourage men from being fathers, and they discourage fathers
Speaker 1: from being the kind of fathers they want to can
Speaker 1: and should be. I believe that completely. Then he goes
Speaker 1: into you know, some of the some of the things
Speaker 1: to embrace as a dad that I also thought were terrific,
Speaker 1: you know, and he goes into a bunch of detail,
Speaker 1: have fun, don't complain children, complain your stoic, be tough,
Speaker 1: reject gentle parenting and its idiocies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the underappreciated art, I think is probably the stuff
Speaker 3: that's difficult to identify because you don't understand the way
Speaker 3: you have just absorbed it being around you. And that
Speaker 3: would just be that seeing someone who doesn't complain much
Speaker 3: gets just the getting gump and going.
Speaker 1: To work every day, just that without ever mentioning it.
Speaker 3: But what that puts into your brain as a oh,
Speaker 3: this is what people do without even thinking about it.
Speaker 3: It's just like it's built in subconsciously to your mind.
Speaker 3: This is what my life is going to be, because
Speaker 3: this is what I've seen my whole life. There's no
Speaker 3: value too high you can put on that as a
Speaker 3: as a.
Speaker 1: Just forming a worldview for a person. Mm hmm, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would agree. This is kind of a tangent. But
Speaker 1: I remember when I was a lad or a young man,
Speaker 1: I had a boy's I don't know, do we get
Speaker 1: the heart for that? Yeah? I can see kind of
Speaker 1: a fuzzy coming into focus me as a young fellow
Speaker 1: with the harp. Yeah, it will be allowed glass well played.
Speaker 1: Oh and my slimmer handsome as a devil anyway, Ah,
Speaker 1: what was I saying? Oh? Oh, that's right. I had
Speaker 1: a boy's view of heroism. And there are certainly heroes
Speaker 1: like this, the rushing into a burning building to save somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, the hero in battle, which is absolutely a
Speaker 1: legitimate sort of hero. But I had not not really
Speaker 1: comprehended the idea that often heroism is the day after
Speaker 1: day grind, because there's no burst of adrenaline and clarity
Speaker 1: of purpose. No, it's just gutting it out. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: what's more heroic than that?
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: I've talked about this before. That's what Richard Nixon was
Speaker 3: talking about earlier in that clip we played with his dad.
Speaker 3: But I've talked about this before, the whole a tough
Speaker 3: guy thing where I have known some guys that are
Speaker 3: really into being tough guys. It's funny most of them
Speaker 3: that I'm thinking of were not dads in the traditional sense.
Speaker 3: I wonder what that's all about, but anyway.
Speaker 1: It was the tough guy was who could beat up who.
Speaker 3: No, And they were also people that weren't great at
Speaker 3: getting up and going to work every day.
Speaker 1: For their whole lives.
Speaker 3: That is what requires toughness, the going to just the
Speaker 3: steady living life, denying yourself the things, the pleasures of life,
Speaker 3: you know, to provide for your family. That's way what
Speaker 3: it requires, way more toughness than an individual fistfight. But
Speaker 3: that is not what's portrayed by some dufices I've known
Speaker 3: in my life who consider themselves tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Same is true of you moms too, one hundred percent. Sure.
Speaker 1: It's carrying the load and carrying it and carrying it
Speaker 1: and carrying it. That's heroic. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh, that always goes without saying. I just since yesterday.
Speaker 1: Was Father's Day. Yeah yeah, indeed in the mood for
Speaker 1: a blasted gentle parenting? Sure always. Here's how Brown University,
Speaker 1: of course, explains it. Gentle parenting is all about the
Speaker 1: parent child relationship. Parents are meant to display empathy, respect,
Speaker 1: and understanding by communicating and connecting with their children. Contrary
Speaker 1: to many other styles of parenting, punishments are not part
Speaker 1: of gentle parenting. They are seen as unnecessary, disruptive to
Speaker 1: the parent child bond and as training children to an
Speaker 1: external reward rather than to their own internal emotional and
Speaker 1: moral compass. Has this worked for anybody?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Never. Here's an example, a specific example, again from Brown
Speaker 1: University and POI I take all my marching orders from Brown.
Speaker 1: They offer a potential speech to a gentle father that
Speaker 1: he might give to his son, because you know, never
Speaker 1: hold anybody accountable for what they do. You just sympathize
Speaker 1: with them. So Sun hurls a toy at his sister.
Speaker 1: I've seen that sort of thing. You were mad, so
Speaker 1: you threw your toy at your sister. But throwing your
Speaker 1: toy could hurt your sister. Let's think of some other
Speaker 1: things we can do when we're feeling mad. That wouldn't
Speaker 1: hurt anyone or anything else. An he writes again, No,
Speaker 1: two huge mistakes m M. First, you imply being mad
Speaker 1: might justify throwing the toy. You're offering an excuse for
Speaker 1: an unacceptable action. More broadly, you're implying to your child
Speaker 1: that you need to justify your demands for him to
Speaker 1: behave as you wish. You do not you'll behave as
Speaker 1: I wish because I'm your father. Period, Then through time
Speaker 1: whether your stewardship is wise and justified becomes clear. But no,
Speaker 1: you don't have to justify your orders every time you
Speaker 1: give one. Yes.
Speaker 3: That's why before you become a parent, you can't imagine
Speaker 3: yourself saying because I said so. But once you're a parent,
Speaker 3: that is a very good reason for you to do
Speaker 3: something because.
Speaker 1: I said so. It's a very good reason. And of
Speaker 1: course that doesn't mean you're acting arbitrarily. Means your children
Speaker 1: need to understand that you may discuss choices with them
Speaker 1: and consider what are reasonable objections they have, but once
Speaker 1: you've given them an order, you expect them to follow it.
Speaker 1: Your family has a chain of command. You are at
Speaker 1: the top period period. With kindness and patience and compassion.
Speaker 1: But you're at the top.
Speaker 3: Most of the time, maybe ninety eight percent of the time,
Speaker 3: But I can't claim claim always.
Speaker 1: They came to me, did you have to mention that now?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We will finish strong next final follow up
Speaker 1: thought or two on what we were just talking about
Speaker 1: are Alex writes, what's so dumb about the general parenting
Speaker 1: model is that it presumes children don't want to be
Speaker 1: told what to do. Of course, children want to be
Speaker 1: told what to do. Structure is comforting, particularly for children
Speaker 1: who are just beginning to understand the world and it's complexity.
Speaker 1: Too much choice can produce paralysis and anxiety. Yeah, guidelines,
Speaker 1: I would put it like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dogs and kids both are happier when they've got
Speaker 3: strict rules. Yeah, the choice makes them uncomfortable and scared psychologically.
Speaker 3: It's just horrible to like feel it makes kids feel
Speaker 3: from what I've been told, because I didn't grow up
Speaker 3: this way, just like insecure to not have boundaries and.
Speaker 1: Rules, right, Yeah, yeah, no sense in what's normal. I'm
Speaker 1: reminded of something really thought provoking I came across a
Speaker 1: few months ago about how, for the first time, one
Speaker 1: of the reasons everybody has so much anxiety these days,
Speaker 1: and I wish I had time to look into it more.
Speaker 1: But is that, for the first time in human history.
Speaker 1: You can live anywhere you want, You can do anything
Speaker 1: you want for a living. You can be any generation
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you can be any religion. You can have
Speaker 1: sex with anybody. You can buy anything. It goes on
Speaker 1: and on and on. Human beings have never been confronted
Speaker 1: with so many choices about everything that was just kind
Speaker 1: of decided for you. You can marry anybody you want,
Speaker 1: dump them, marry somebody else of the opposite sex. It's
Speaker 1: just too much. We've got to talk about that more.
Speaker 1: Check Clark, GISs time stop. Jack and Joe live, God
Speaker 1: go and if they don't give can they'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty. Let's get
Speaker 1: a final thought from everybody on the crew to wrap
Speaker 1: up the day. Here he is pressing the buttons in
Speaker 1: the controller of Michaelangelo. Michael, what's your final thought? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bill Maher. Earlier in the hour, he mentioned cliff notes
Speaker 1: back in nineteen seventy six. And I hate to confess it,
Speaker 1: but there were probably times in my English class when
Speaker 1: I didn't exactly read the book, and those cliff notes
Speaker 1: came in. Well, maybe handy. You know that's shameful, Michael.
Speaker 1: I hope you're still ashamed today. Check of final thought.
Speaker 3: Boy, I never thought about that. I'll just use this
Speaker 3: form my final thought with AI bots. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: anything you ever read. Give me a paragraph on what
Speaker 3: that book's about. Give me a little more about this character.
Speaker 1: That character. You could easily in ten minutes get everything
Speaker 1: you need to know. Right, I tell you what I
Speaker 1: changed my mind. Give me three paragraphs on it now?
Speaker 1: Five Yeah, Oh craziness. Too many choices is making us insane.
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