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Speaker 3: And it's not Monday morning at eleven am, but it
Speaker 3: kind of sort of is because it's the second day
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Speaker 3: we have so much to talk about here on mix
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Speaker 3: returned from wherever he went. Everson Walls is in the
Speaker 3: house as well, and we got a lot of catching
Speaker 3: up to do.
Speaker 4: We sure do. Last night, you know, I was here work.
Speaker 2: Vicky's got his snowbeard going.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 5: Ever since what's going on?
Speaker 4: Well, there's no sense if you're out skiing to shave
Speaker 4: excuse me.
Speaker 5: Wow, So you know I didn't know you were living
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was just an annual ski trip for you.
Speaker 2: It is, okay.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you know, way back, I used to go a
Speaker 4: couple of times. Okay, now I'm limited to one.
Speaker 2: And the big news is you came back healthy.
Speaker 4: I did, thank god, not a prop. I don't ski
Speaker 4: for a gold medal anymore.
Speaker 5: Okay anymore anymore?
Speaker 4: Before I did, tried to get better and better, you know.
Speaker 3: So you timed it so that we could do mix
Speaker 3: shots after the start of the new league.
Speaker 2: That's why we'd have more to talk about. We wouldn't
Speaker 2: be speculating.
Speaker 4: And I think we probably need more than forty five minutes.
Speaker 2: We succeeded.
Speaker 4: Last night. I was working. It was my day to write,
Speaker 4: and I was like, okay, now I got to add that.
Speaker 4: What No, wait, I gotta add. No, there's another one
Speaker 4: I got to add, and uh. It just kept going
Speaker 4: and going and going. After the Cowboys ended up with
Speaker 4: signing over the or making it official. Five guys in
Speaker 4: free agency and two trades, so actually six. I almost
Speaker 4: forgot Jack. No. Five, Jack Sanbornan was the last.
Speaker 2: One to go down last night.
Speaker 4: Linebacker had been in Chicago, so I'm assuming Matt iberflus
Speaker 4: knew all about him since he made the Bears as
Speaker 4: a undrafted free agent out of Wisconsin linebacker, special teams player.
Speaker 4: He's like, didn't start with Jack said, I know that's
Speaker 4: how we got going. He's a younger Nick Vigil. Okay,
Speaker 4: all right, start where you want.
Speaker 5: All right, let's start with who we lost?
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, well that is not also see ever since
Speaker 3: got his finger on the pulse of the community.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 5: We want to know and we can bitch about. Let's start.
Speaker 2: How about we start with d Law.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that one.
Speaker 3: Second round draft pick in twenty fourteen, after eleven seasons,
Speaker 3: here the four time pro bowler headed to the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 4: Aiden dirty and a lot of money, a lot of
Speaker 4: money at him at a three year deal.
Speaker 2: You see the guarantee on it.
Speaker 3: I did not I did last night, And in fact
Speaker 3: I told someone I bet the guarantee.
Speaker 2: It came.
Speaker 3: It was three years, forty two million, and I said,
Speaker 3: I bet the guarantee.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I.
Speaker 3: Landed on this, but I top of my head, I
Speaker 3: said eighteen million. And sure enough, eighteen million guaranteed.
Speaker 4: And that's eighteen million for a guy that's starting his
Speaker 4: twelfth year.
Speaker 3: Well, he's going he's going to be thirty three next month,
Speaker 3: and so it's pretty easy to figure out what the guarantee.
Speaker 2: Is going to be for a thirty three year old.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it sounds great three years, forty two million
Speaker 3: dollars and hopefully he can play three years.
Speaker 5: But he's thirty three years old.
Speaker 2: He'll be thirty three next thirty three.
Speaker 5: I was out of the league.
Speaker 4: You weren't getting guaranteed players are.
Speaker 3: And so if you look at the going rate for
Speaker 3: someone of his ilk now coming off of major injury too,
Speaker 3: that in that eighteen to twenty million dollar range would
Speaker 3: be as one year salary. But that's why top of it, right, mean,
Speaker 3: so I look at it as it's probably more of
Speaker 3: a year and a half type guarantee and so, but
Speaker 3: good for him.
Speaker 4: No, you know, and he only played four games last year. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's very effective. It was very effective in those four games.
Speaker 4: And if you remember, if we look back at it,
Speaker 4: he was their best run defender as a defense end
Speaker 4: by the way, for about ten years, and his pressures
Speaker 4: were high. I hated to see that. I just had
Speaker 4: a feeling that somebody was going to price the Cowboys
Speaker 4: out of the market of Seattle. Certainly did. But I
Speaker 4: knew he wanted to play. I ran into him here
Speaker 4: three weeks ago something like that, and I said, are
Speaker 4: you healthy, You're ready to go? He goes, yeah, and
Speaker 4: from what I was told, had the Cowboys been in
Speaker 4: anything last year, he would have been able to play
Speaker 4: the last maybe in the month of the season and
Speaker 4: the playoffs if they were in the playoffs. So if
Speaker 4: you remember, he had a list frank injury to his
Speaker 4: foot and I was told it was like nearly needed surgery,
Speaker 4: but it didn't. And that was a tough one to
Speaker 4: come back from. But he when I asked him, he goes,
Speaker 4: I'm ready to go. I'm rehabbing. I said, well, do
Speaker 4: you want to? I mean, eleven years you want to play?
Speaker 4: And he goes, I need to. I go, what do
Speaker 4: you mean? He goes, I just had another child. He said,
Speaker 4: I need health insurance. So I think eighteen million guarantees
Speaker 4: a probably good chunk of health insurance. You know what,
Speaker 4: he was such a good guy here, good teammate for
Speaker 4: some reason, you know, over the years, and I don't
Speaker 4: know bills around these guys, but at some point, when
Speaker 4: you're around him that long, you sort of bond with
Speaker 4: some guys, and I kind of bonded with it. And
Speaker 4: it started with his rookie year when he fractured his
Speaker 4: fifth metatarsal and he missed the first I want to say,
Speaker 4: the first ten twelve games his rookie year rehabit, and
Speaker 4: I told him, hey, no problem, I recovered from my
Speaker 4: fifth fractured meditar, so you can do it too.
Speaker 2: You're young.
Speaker 4: And he was just a good guy.
Speaker 5: Well, he was a leader in the locker room. Yes,
Speaker 5: out about it. When things were going bad.
Speaker 6: He was the one that everyone always looked towards to
Speaker 6: say something or get somebody going.
Speaker 4: And he would say, a locker room guy. But he's
Speaker 4: a locker room guy that can play right.
Speaker 6: He's a locker room guy that makes plays when we
Speaker 6: need him to make plays. So that's what makes the
Speaker 6: loss to me so deep.
Speaker 4: And if you remember his rookie year, I want to
Speaker 4: say it was in the playoff game against Detroit. He
Speaker 4: made a play, recovered the ball and then fumbled it,
Speaker 4: and then he made a sack at the end to
Speaker 4: seal the game and that got his career off and running.
Speaker 5: Well, dang, we can't just lament on him this whole time.
Speaker 3: What about its lament on Rico Rinco Dowdell is now
Speaker 3: Carolina Panther. And of course the Cowboys signed Javonte Williams
Speaker 3: and I haven't officially announced that yet, but Javonte Williams
Speaker 3: reportedly is head the Cowboys. Uh, and it's very it's
Speaker 3: a very similar contract for both of them. He's got
Speaker 3: Rico's got incentives. They can get it up to double
Speaker 3: the three million dollar base, but.
Speaker 4: Just a one year deal.
Speaker 3: One year deal for Rico and one year deal for
Speaker 3: Javonte Williams as well. So, and then you look at
Speaker 3: Carolina's situation and they've got Cuba Hubbard. They've released Miles
Speaker 3: Sanders obviously, and this was a couple of days ago.
Speaker 3: They released Miles Sanders, so clearly they felt like they
Speaker 3: were going to sign Rico or someone and uh so
Speaker 3: they made that move. They've got Cuba Hubbard, and then
Speaker 3: they've got the second round draft pick Jonathan Brooks out
Speaker 3: of Texas, who suffer his second straight ACL injury last season,
Speaker 3: so he's he's out. So they needed a second running
Speaker 3: back to go with Chuba Hubbard. And so it's running
Speaker 3: back by committee there.
Speaker 4: So which do you think took place first? The Cowboys agreeing.
Speaker 3: With I'm going to assume because the contracts are so similar.
Speaker 2: They probably tol Rico.
Speaker 3: This is what we're willing to spend on a running back,
Speaker 3: veteran running back, and he decided he wanted to test.
Speaker 2: The market and then he got the same thing basically.
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, the Cowboys had to make their move,
Speaker 2: and I assume that's why it happened.
Speaker 3: And he's close to home, right, Yeah, he's from Carolina.
Speaker 4: So so this puts another mark on the Cowboys drafting
Speaker 4: or running back. I would think, right, they were going
Speaker 4: to do that, yes regardless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they could.
Speaker 3: Sign an another veteran running back and they're still drafting
Speaker 3: a running back.
Speaker 4: At some point draft right exactly.
Speaker 3: Javonte Williams is two years younger than Rico o'dowdell. Now
Speaker 3: the Javante I loved him the Big Green Notebook, loved
Speaker 3: him coming out of North Carolina. His second year in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, suffered a knee injury. But he's come
Speaker 3: back the last year or two and he's been I
Speaker 3: don't know if he has the same explosion that he
Speaker 3: had coming out of North Carolina, but he's been a
Speaker 3: decent back, you know, to where I don't know that
Speaker 3: there's that much difference between Rico dowdell and Javonte Williams. Right,
Speaker 3: And so's and that's why they wind up in the
Speaker 3: same pay range.
Speaker 4: Actually, it's probably a and I mean, depending on what
Speaker 4: happens in the draft, a good sign for Deuce Vaughn,
Speaker 4: then maybe he'll get a little bit more of an
Speaker 4: opportunity in Schottenheimer's offense. Then he got this rookie year,
Speaker 4: so we'll see where that one goes.
Speaker 3: Jordan Lewis, there's the next one is Jordan Lewis out
Speaker 3: the door.
Speaker 4: And when I wrote my column, it was like the
Speaker 4: Cowboys were playing whack a mole. Bullshs up, they hit
Speaker 4: it down, they get somebody, and then another one pops up,
Speaker 4: and Jordan Lewis was that they couldn't touch that money. No,
Speaker 4: I heard about that one thirty million, ten million a
Speaker 4: year for a thirty year old slot corner.
Speaker 6: And somebody who was one of the favorites in the
Speaker 6: locker room. Yes, yes, from what I heard, everyone was
Speaker 6: very happy for him, hated to see him go, but
Speaker 6: glad to see someone get as much money as he
Speaker 6: as he got because everyone felt that he deserved it
Speaker 6: considering how much heart that he played with throughout the
Speaker 6: entire career.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was and just a good soldier. I mean
Speaker 4: really and played the slot. Well, so I looked this
Speaker 4: up and he couldn't pass this up, right. He played
Speaker 4: eight years with the Cowboys. He totaled twenty one million
Speaker 4: in cash.
Speaker 5: He just got twenty He just got.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, right, seventeen and he got twenty million guaranteed
Speaker 4: twelve point five million his first year. So yeah, So again,
Speaker 4: when teams have money available like that under the cap,
Speaker 4: they can just wipe you out and it doesn't matter
Speaker 4: if they make a mistake because the amount of money
Speaker 4: they have available it absorbs any mistakes you might make.
Speaker 4: It's not like, oh god, we just spent twenty million
Speaker 4: and look what happened. You know, It's like, okay, you
Speaker 4: take out the eraser.
Speaker 5: He's in Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: Jacksonville, Yes, yes, Jacksonville.
Speaker 5: So what are you gonna say? Bill?
Speaker 3: I always going I'm looking it up right now, George,
Speaker 3: because I was going to ask you about this, But
Speaker 3: before I ask you about it, I want to find
Speaker 3: exactly what he tweeted out.
Speaker 2: So let me hold that thought for just a moment.
Speaker 3: About Jordan Lewis, it was basically what was asked of
Speaker 3: him as a slot corner in this league and playing
Speaker 3: man and carrying receivers downfield. He judged more as a
Speaker 3: slot corner than what other cornerbacks are last season, what
Speaker 3: other cornerbacks were asked to do.
Speaker 6: And that we're just talking, that's just talking past defense.
Speaker 6: We're not even mentioning the run defense where he really
Speaker 6: showed me what a stubborn person he is.
Speaker 4: So is the pause.
Speaker 6: He refused to be picked on as the little guy
Speaker 6: in the middle of all that confusion.
Speaker 4: So the slot corner are usually in man or can
Speaker 4: you zone or both?
Speaker 6: Well, slot corner usually you're going to be in man,
Speaker 6: know depending on the team that you play with. So
Speaker 6: you've got to be able to cover not just one
Speaker 6: side of the other, the middle of the field. So
Speaker 6: that means that the wide receiver has two ways to
Speaker 6: go every time he's down the field. So you can't
Speaker 6: play the sidelines like you usually can if you're playing
Speaker 6: a corner back position. At safety, you know you have
Speaker 6: to worry about playing man to man. Safeties don't worry
Speaker 6: about playing man to man, and he has to play
Speaker 6: run defense as if he's a linebacker and at someone
Speaker 6: in his size. That's something that I was very impressed
Speaker 6: with because I didn't have to do that until I
Speaker 6: got to the Giants, and then of course that was
Speaker 6: continued Belichick with the Browns.
Speaker 5: And I really took a lot of pride.
Speaker 6: In the fact that I was able to play that
Speaker 6: slot position after not really playing it at all my
Speaker 6: first nine years in the league. But it's a mentality
Speaker 6: that you have to have, and the referees they kind
Speaker 6: of give you a little leeway inside because they know
Speaker 6: it's a tough job. But I used to try, and
Speaker 6: I used to try and put as much hands on
Speaker 6: those wife hands possible.
Speaker 5: You got to put this.
Speaker 6: You gotta get the hands on them first impede their progress.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, you have to know when
Speaker 6: they're trying to run the ball, So you've got a
Speaker 6: lot of things going on, especially on third down. You
Speaker 6: have to think third and short, what they're gonna do,
Speaker 6: third long, what they're gonna do. And Jordan Lewis did
Speaker 6: all of that very well. His anticipation during his entire
Speaker 6: career here, I thought was very impressive.
Speaker 4: Say and that gets overlooked and should be a feather
Speaker 4: in Darren Woodson's pro Hall of.
Speaker 5: Fame about it. We talked about it all right.
Speaker 4: We talk about his ability to play the run in
Speaker 4: the slot and lead this franchise in career tackles.
Speaker 6: And he's doing it as a He did it as
Speaker 6: a safety, right. He never tried to be a cornerback,
Speaker 6: So to play that slot as a safety when you
Speaker 6: have no cornerback history at all, that was pretty impressive.
Speaker 6: I can't believe the Cowboys actually asked him to do it.
Speaker 6: We didn't have anyone else besides Darren Woodson that could
Speaker 6: cover a slot and we could put down in the
Speaker 6: back where he could really make things happen.
Speaker 5: I was just, you know, that's something that was very unusual.
Speaker 4: They fell into it, they really did, because when they
Speaker 4: drafted him, and I know, we're getting off the freeze.
Speaker 4: When they drafted him, he had been a highbred linebacker
Speaker 4: at Arizona State and.
Speaker 6: He's going from a hybrid linebacker to base our hybrid safety.
Speaker 4: And his rookie year, they knew he was going to
Speaker 4: have to make the transition to safety, right, and Jimmy said, Okay,
Speaker 4: we're going to have him play special teams and then
Speaker 4: ease him into that position, right, And then I don't
Speaker 4: the second year did the second year it was like, hey, Campbell,
Speaker 4: we're putting him at safety, and then they realized he
Speaker 4: could play in the nickel. And Jimmy told me after
Speaker 4: that season he goes, you know, or later on he
Speaker 4: told me that one of my biggest mistakes I made
Speaker 4: with Darren Woodson is I didn't start him as a
Speaker 4: rookie because I didn't think he'd be ready, and they
Speaker 4: found out differently.
Speaker 2: Finally, man, Jordan Lewis tweet, I found it tweets.
Speaker 3: A lot through all his tweets, I had to find
Speaker 3: the one, which was on January sixth.
Speaker 2: Man, oh, he didn't like that Luca trade.
Speaker 3: On January sixth, he tweeted, No, no other Nickel, No
Speaker 3: know this. Other Nichols aren't doing what I'm doing. Secondaries
Speaker 3: aren't doing what we're doing.
Speaker 2: Period.
Speaker 3: We do not two to one read. We do not
Speaker 3: zone drop. When you turn on the tape, all you
Speaker 3: will see is us vertically carrying from first to fourth down.
Speaker 2: And that's how you know. Coxonville noticed somebody.
Speaker 4: I don't know how they figure it out because so
Speaker 4: many guys playing the nickel and move around that he's
Speaker 4: the highest paid nickel corner now in the league in history.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so when you think about what he just
Speaker 6: wrote about carrying carrying him down the field. That's why
Speaker 6: they were running on them. So, well, you see we're
Speaker 6: playing man to man. Uh huh, we're not playing zone.
Speaker 6: You know, we're playing man to man. And now you
Speaker 6: have to as a as a slot guy, you're really
Speaker 6: a linebacker and you.
Speaker 5: Have to carry a guy down the field.
Speaker 6: But then you also have to wrestle with this guy
Speaker 6: if they run the ball, which they did a lot
Speaker 6: of these last two years.
Speaker 2: And then you think what you're saying is defensive coordinators
Speaker 2: noticed that. Ye like, you go to the ball.
Speaker 5: And the guys mickeyside.
Speaker 4: We got a small nickel and I only have two
Speaker 4: linebackers out there, well.
Speaker 5: And we start run like this is not third down.
Speaker 5: We start the game like this.
Speaker 6: So that's why you're looking at us giving up historically
Speaker 6: bad games.
Speaker 4: Well, if you think about it the year before when
Speaker 4: they would go into that big nickel, so he's in
Speaker 4: the slot, and then they were playing curse curse as
Speaker 4: the linebacker along with whoever was in the middle right,
Speaker 4: and then when that guy got hurt, Bell had to
Speaker 4: assume that spot.
Speaker 3: And before we go to break, since you mentioned Bell, yes, Mark,
Speaker 3: you one of the understated sightings as we focus so
Speaker 3: much on an unrestricted free agents, is the fact that
Speaker 3: Marquase Bell, a restricted free agent.
Speaker 2: Is back on a three year contract.
Speaker 3: And I bring it up because what we saw with
Speaker 3: Marquise Bell two years ago with Dan Quinn as his
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator, he saw so much in him that he
Speaker 3: moves him to linebacker and he was basically the leading
Speaker 3: tackler on this team after injuries at the linebacker position,
Speaker 3: and then last year with Mike Zimmer as a defensive coordinator,
Speaker 3: he never got on the field on defense.
Speaker 2: Now we got a new defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: And what it tells me is Matt Ibraflu Matt Eberflus
Speaker 3: has looked at the tape and decided, you know what, I.
Speaker 6: Can use this guy maybe playing with safety instead of
Speaker 6: a linebacker.
Speaker 3: And you got both safeties coming back and Donovan Wilson
Speaker 3: and Malie Cooker which you had last year. But it
Speaker 3: looks like that Iberflus has a plan for marku east.
Speaker 4: Bell and what they did, and we'll get into that
Speaker 4: and the contract structure for Cavante Turpin. Both guys were
Speaker 4: restricted did free agents, so Marquis Bell wasn't drafted but
Speaker 4: if they tendered him for right of first refusal, it
Speaker 4: was going to be three point two million dollars against
Speaker 4: the cap. But signing him to a three year deal
Speaker 4: and giving him a signing bonus, now his cap hit
Speaker 4: for the first year is less than that three million
Speaker 4: dollars because they spread out the signings, so they actually
Speaker 4: saved money. And we can get into Turpens deal also
Speaker 4: because it got blown up is three years eighteen million,
Speaker 4: but the real numbers will come next.
Speaker 3: And Marcus Bell's was blown up to three years nine million.
Speaker 3: But I guarantee is six point two million guarantee, right, yes,
Speaker 3: all right, we continue with more mixed shots.
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Speaker 2: I guess all right.
Speaker 4: You know what that reminded. My college roommate is getting
Speaker 4: married in the middle of the ceremony. The next guy
Speaker 4: was supposed to go up and do the reading, and
Speaker 4: the guy that did it before shut the Bible.
Speaker 2: He had to find.
Speaker 4: He just opened the Bible. He just opened it and
Speaker 4: started reading whatever age.
Speaker 6: Because he knew I'm going to burn in hell because
Speaker 6: everybody just said that burning hell.
Speaker 2: You know in college, he's reading the wrong thing.
Speaker 4: And we all started laughing because we knew the idiot
Speaker 4: before who was making who was making fun of herschel
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Speaker 4: he said he was in one of his classes and
Speaker 4: he's like herschel couldn't even read something like that. And
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Speaker 4: So we moved back to Cavante.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Comante Terpin is next on the list.
Speaker 3: Yes, And it was announced as a three year, eighteen
Speaker 3: million dollar deal for Kmantee.
Speaker 4: And it was supposed to be three years, could be
Speaker 4: up to eight. Everybody out there was like, oh, by god,
Speaker 4: they gave him six million dollars a year. Well, the
Speaker 4: truth of the matter is it was three years, thirteen
Speaker 4: point five million dollars. He got a three point six
Speaker 4: million dollars signing bonus and guaranteed five million dollars. Okay,
Speaker 4: So he was a restricted free agent. I think we
Speaker 4: talked about this last time that they were going to
Speaker 4: have to tender him at a second round to get
Speaker 4: right of refusal. And if you refuse to get a
Speaker 4: second round pick back, well that was going to cost
Speaker 4: five point three million dollars right against the cap. Well,
Speaker 4: by doing what they did, they saved two million dollars
Speaker 4: against the salary cap by giving him a bonus. And
Speaker 4: they've done this before with special teams. Guys. I can't
Speaker 4: remember the guy's name. It was a defensive back bill
Speaker 4: from Italy by Texas.
Speaker 2: Yes, you said that, Keith Davis.
Speaker 4: And they did the same thing with him one year.
Speaker 4: Instead of paying him the restricted, they gave him a
Speaker 4: two year deal, paid him a little bit of signing bonus.
Speaker 4: You get your money, but it doesn't all count against
Speaker 4: the cap. So basically, in twenty twenty five, his base
Speaker 4: salary is one point four million, the pro ration on
Speaker 4: his signing bonus one point two million. He's got five
Speaker 4: hundred thousand roster bonus meeting games played. So they reduced
Speaker 4: his deal to two point five six million and saved
Speaker 4: you know, and it doesn't sound like a lot, right,
Speaker 4: but I figured out if you take the Cowboys top
Speaker 4: five salary cap hits for this year, it's one hundred
Speaker 4: and twenty one million. So if you save two million dollars,
Speaker 4: that's basically two first year players, right, So every million
Speaker 4: dollars counts when you're looking at this stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, and when you look at the details of his contract,
Speaker 3: he really wants to play offense.
Speaker 4: Yes, he's that's where the intent of the incentives we
Speaker 4: want him to play.
Speaker 3: The incentives are one and a half million dollars for
Speaker 3: catches and playoffs in twenty twenty seven and in twenty
Speaker 3: six twenty seven, one and a half. He's got a
Speaker 3: chance to have multiple bonuses up to a million and
Speaker 3: a half dollars basically if he play his offense and
Speaker 3: if this team is successful.
Speaker 2: And they had a great interview.
Speaker 3: I thought we ran it last night that Patrick no
Speaker 3: c Walker did with him after he signed the contract,
Speaker 3: and he was talking about maybe being used more on
Speaker 3: offense with the with Schottenheimer.
Speaker 2: Now, and you know Cavante. Cavante talks as fast.
Speaker 3: As he runs, but he's like, he wants to be
Speaker 3: a weapon on offense and he'll play tight end if
Speaker 3: he needs to be.
Speaker 2: He needs to play tight end. Whatever. That's what happened,
Speaker 2: world's smallest tight end.
Speaker 4: That's what happens with people from Louisiana or talk fast
Speaker 4: in laws. But you know, from what I heard that
Speaker 4: Schottenheimer would like to incorporate him a little more into
Speaker 4: the offense.
Speaker 2: I think he I heard McCarthy was going to do
Speaker 2: that too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he never did. Right, thirty one catches last year. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was a career high, like four hundred and some yards,
Speaker 4: I want to right off the top of my head. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: because when he was named the UFL Offensive Player of
Speaker 4: the Year that last year there, Yeah, he was a
Speaker 4: great returner, but it was his wide receiver stuff that
Speaker 4: really got him noted as a kind of all around
Speaker 4: football player. So that was a good signing.
Speaker 5: Somebody like Turpin.
Speaker 6: You've got to have a game plan ready for someone
Speaker 6: like him, someone with that kind of talent, you want
Speaker 6: to make sure that the game plan allows him to
Speaker 6: be used as best as possible. And what I've always
Speaker 6: seen with him is offensively, we almost almost made the play.
Speaker 6: It was almost the play we needed. It was almost
Speaker 6: set up just perfect for us. But you know, one
Speaker 6: block wasn't made here, one block wasn't made there. Terpin
Speaker 6: is the kind of guy you got to set it
Speaker 6: up perfectly to where once the play is called, your
Speaker 6: guy that run into perfection, Because he's that guy. If
Speaker 6: you run into perfection, it's a guaranteed touchdown. We're not
Speaker 6: talking about just getting a first down. He's the guy
Speaker 6: that when you do it correctly and you set him
Speaker 6: up correctly, you're talking about going for touchdowns. And that's
Speaker 6: what I think. He should be more susceptible to running
Speaker 6: touchdowns as opposed to just getting first downs. That's what
Speaker 6: I want to see from him.
Speaker 4: And here's another thing that gets overlooked. So they bring
Speaker 4: him back. He's a first team All Pro returner, right. Well,
Speaker 4: they also made sure that they and they didn't have
Speaker 4: to spend a lot. They brought back their deep snapper,
Speaker 4: Trent Sigg, and then they brought back Brian Anger, and
Speaker 4: I was told there were other teams looking at Briant
Speaker 4: the right. Yes, and and for anger, you keep that
Speaker 4: kicking operation all together, the snapper, the holder, and the kicker, who,
Speaker 4: by the way, led you with one hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: points last year, which.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: It ties for second most points in a single season
Speaker 4: with Emmitt Smith, who had twenty five touchdowns the twenty
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety five season.
Speaker 3: All Right, Dak Prescott is the oldest player on this
Speaker 3: Cowboys offense. He'll turn thirty two in July. Okay, who's
Speaker 3: the second oldest player on this Cowboys offense? On the offense,
Speaker 3: on the offense, who's on the current roster, who's the
Speaker 3: second oldest player on this offense?
Speaker 4: Well, it's not on the offensive line.
Speaker 3: Interesting, the offensive line is the oldest is probably Terrence Steele,
Speaker 3: who turns twenty eight in June. It's gets Cavante Turpin. Wow,
Speaker 3: Cavante Turpin turns twenty nine in August.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I was trying to find somebody
Speaker 4: that was thirty, and I'm going no one's thirty.
Speaker 2: He turns twenty nine.
Speaker 4: Nine.
Speaker 3: Yes, And even when you go to defense, you've got
Speaker 3: Donovan Wilson turns thirty or you just turned thirty and
Speaker 3: Malie Cooker turns twenty nine in April. And aside from that, you've.
Speaker 4: Got about Solomon.
Speaker 3: The newly signed Solomon Thomas is twenty nine. He'll turn
Speaker 3: thirty in December.
Speaker 2: He was how young this team is?
Speaker 4: Yeah, which I guess happened quickly too. We should spend
Speaker 4: time on him. That was one of Bill's favorites in
Speaker 4: that draft.
Speaker 3: YEP, Solomon Thomas, who is the third pick in the
Speaker 3: draft in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: Out of Coppell, Texas. He's coming home.
Speaker 3: And I'll go ahead and say this that my son
Speaker 3: in law is from coppel and his family their friends
Speaker 3: with the Thomas family. And so when the Cowboys hired
Speaker 3: Aaron Whitecotton as a defensive line coach, and he was
Speaker 3: with the Jets the last four years or whatever, and
Speaker 3: he was before that, he was at San Francisco and
Speaker 3: that was where Solomon was. I texted them and I said,
Speaker 3: I guarantee you Solomon's going to.
Speaker 2: Be a Cowboy.
Speaker 5: So I high five side.
Speaker 3: When the signing happened. But that was as predictable a
Speaker 3: signing as.
Speaker 2: You could have.
Speaker 5: You know what.
Speaker 3: I looked up and I've followed him ever since he
Speaker 3: was in high school. But and you talk about high character,
Speaker 3: leader type guy, I mean, this is exactly who you
Speaker 3: want on your football team. But I looked up his
Speaker 3: the last two years and actually tweeted this out. So
Speaker 3: let me go find the stats. You know, his number
Speaker 3: of snaps the last two years. He's just under one
Speaker 3: thousand snaps with the Jets with eight sacks I think
Speaker 3: twelve or thirteen tackles for loss. OsO Digazua or the
Speaker 3: last two years has around fifteen hundred snaps with twelve
Speaker 3: and a half sacks and about the same number of
Speaker 3: tackles for loss. He has more quarterback pressures than Solomon does,
Speaker 3: but the stats the last two years are very similar.
Speaker 3: So my point is, I think Solomon is a great
Speaker 3: compliment to OsO Digazua here and where. You know Osa
Speaker 3: has been getting eight hundred and fifty nine hundred snaps
Speaker 3: a season, well, Solomon's been around five hundred, four fifty
Speaker 3: to five hundred with the Jets and a rotation in
Speaker 3: there or side by side in past situations Solomon has.
Speaker 3: You look at his and this is why he was
Speaker 3: the third pick in the draft out of Stanford. He
Speaker 3: at it we when it came out, he was six
Speaker 3: two two seventy three. He's now listed at two hundred
Speaker 3: ninety five pounds thirty bench reps, strong as an ox
Speaker 3: in there thirty five with a thirty five vertical and
Speaker 3: a ten to five broad jut a and his cone
Speaker 3: drill was under seven at six ninety five. And he's
Speaker 3: got the athleticism and so in the right scheme, which
Speaker 3: is Matt Eberflus scheme, and how he wants his lineman
Speaker 3: to play in the backfield basically you know once that right,
Speaker 3: and so I think that and the other thing about Solomon,
Speaker 3: I mean the last couple of years he's been the
Speaker 3: Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year nominee for the Jets.
Speaker 2: The things he does in the community.
Speaker 3: As I texted his dad yesterday and said, man, this
Speaker 3: is so great for Solomon and his life after football,
Speaker 3: getting established in the community here in Dallas as a cowboy.
Speaker 3: So anyway, I was just really thrilled for the for
Speaker 3: the family.
Speaker 5: So you look at that as a really good sign.
Speaker 2: I like it from a yeah, from from what his
Speaker 2: role point, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: So was he defensive end, both defensive tackle.
Speaker 2: He was a basically three techniques.
Speaker 3: What he Okay, yeah, defensive, but he's versatile enough he
Speaker 3: can play like did playing on the edge as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, I thought that was so.
Speaker 3: I think I think you're you're looking at I mean
Speaker 3: Chauncey Golston.
Speaker 2: What was his role on this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, same line, both right, and you know Chauncey. It
Speaker 3: was announced as a three year, nineteen and a half
Speaker 3: million dollar deal with the Giants, so you get Solomon
Speaker 3: at two years up to eight million and so and
Speaker 3: so I like, I like the move signing Solomon.
Speaker 5: And by the.
Speaker 4: Way that they got Osa done on a long term
Speaker 4: deal saved a lot of cap space this year because
Speaker 4: he was going to count if they had to franchise
Speaker 4: them twenty five million doctors.
Speaker 2: All right, we got others to get to.
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Speaker 3: All right, we continue with mixed shots here, and the
Speaker 3: Cowboys came out became tradered Jerry all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: At three o'clock when the new league year.
Speaker 3: Kicked off yesterday afternoon what's going up on with these trades, Mickey.
Speaker 4: Well, they gave up very little to try to kind
Speaker 4: of patch or help patch holes going into the draft.
Speaker 4: The first one that went down, they traded for cornerback
Speaker 4: kaiyir Elam from the Buffalo Bills. He was a former
Speaker 4: first round pick that only started twelve of twenty nine
Speaker 4: games he played for the Bills, and they weren't going
Speaker 4: to pick up his fifty year option. He was inactive,
Speaker 4: he was hurt, and so I don't like your Is
Speaker 4: he related to Andrew Booth kind of the same, except
Speaker 4: Booth was a.
Speaker 2: Second round but Booth was a forty second pick.
Speaker 5: I just want to like, I don't like his tell
Speaker 5: this this is.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm not saying that they solved their cornerback products.
Speaker 6: You would definitely not saying I could pick, just not
Speaker 6: to say that.
Speaker 4: So he sounds like he's got this guy.
Speaker 2: One signing.
Speaker 3: Ever since one signing we have neglected to mention is
Speaker 3: the fact that Tumadoga is now a Jacksonville Jaguar.
Speaker 4: What Nikky doesn't sound to talk about it.
Speaker 2: It sounds it sounds like Tuma's walking back in the door.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we got this is Tuma's replacement for this guy,
Speaker 5: well this guy.
Speaker 4: Look, when you get a cornerback who was a former
Speaker 4: first along with a twenty twenty five sixth round pick
Speaker 4: and you only had to give up a twenty twenty
Speaker 4: five fifth which was a compensatory pick for the Cowboys,
Speaker 4: and a twenty twenty sixth seventh. Uh, they were just
Speaker 4: looking to basically unload them for something.
Speaker 5: Well they did unload them.
Speaker 4: So, which gets us back to when we talked about
Speaker 4: losing Jordan Lewis. Before they made that trade, the list
Speaker 4: of linebackers other not named Deron Bland was pretty thin.
Speaker 4: The list of cornerbacks, cornerbacks, I'm sorry, cornerbacks. Kaylin Carson
Speaker 4: was probably the top of that list. Josh Butler, Heman Hall.
Speaker 3: Josh Butler coming off ACL in November, right, he's not
Speaker 3: gonna be ready for the start of.
Speaker 4: Kicking Kmen Hall Andrew Booth, got anybody else? No, because
Speaker 4: you know what Trayvon.
Speaker 3: Troy Pride and Luke Barku Okay.
Speaker 4: Like I said, and there's a very good chance Trayvon
Speaker 4: Diggs not gonna be ready to start to see it.
Speaker 2: And by the way, that sixth round pick that they
Speaker 2: got in they got a sixth.
Speaker 3: Back right, and so they pedal that moments later to
Speaker 3: Tennessee for Kenneth Murray.
Speaker 4: Which was another player you liked in that Green Notebook
Speaker 4: kind out of Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: And let me first say this, I don't like all
Speaker 3: players that come out of Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: In fact, I probably you can speak for Missouri. Okay.
Speaker 3: There are players that come out of Missouri that you
Speaker 3: have watched for the last three or four years and
Speaker 3: you're like, no, don't take him right right, okay, And
Speaker 3: then there are other players you're okay, yeah, like Membo
Speaker 3: would be one you would be on board with.
Speaker 4: Nick Bolton linebacker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Darius Robinson was another one that you liked, whatever,
Speaker 3: but there have been plenty of others.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, be careful.
Speaker 2: Well. Kenneth Murray was one of those that I liked
Speaker 2: of Oklahoma.
Speaker 5: I thought you were going to say dislike now you
Speaker 5: was saiding it. No, That's why I said up that way.
Speaker 3: And he's one that I like coming out. And he
Speaker 3: went to the Chargers as a first un pick twenty
Speaker 3: three overall, and then he wound up signing with Tennessee,
Speaker 3: so he was he was in the twenty twenty draft.
Speaker 3: And so he's been with Tennessee the last couple of
Speaker 3: years and leading tackler for them last year. And what
Speaker 3: he what When I look at his contract, what he's
Speaker 3: got left on it, it looks like it's one year
Speaker 3: at seven and a half million. Yes, you're right, but
Speaker 3: I think it was a necessary You talk about ilicism.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: He has reminded me athletically of going back to College
Speaker 3: of De Maarve on overshell, Right, okay, And so I
Speaker 3: looked up and Kenneth is twenty six.
Speaker 2: He'll turn twenty seven in November. All right.
Speaker 3: Overshown ran a four foul wit let me find him here.
Speaker 3: He ran a four five five at the combine. Kenneth
Speaker 3: Murray ran a four five to two overshown at a
Speaker 3: thirty six and a half vertical. Kenneth Murray a thirty
Speaker 3: eight vertical overshown, a ten to six broad jump Murray a.
Speaker 2: Ten to nine broad jump.
Speaker 3: So athletically, he's right there with Overshown, but he's got
Speaker 3: a lot more experience.
Speaker 4: So why was he playing middle linebacker when he came out?
Speaker 4: He was an outsider.
Speaker 3: He played he played in the middle of ou of course,
Speaker 3: they only had one linebacker field basically in Riley's defenses.
Speaker 2: But but he was really good.
Speaker 4: Well I saw this stuff about where he was rated
Speaker 4: and everything. He led the Titans in tactics by the way,
Speaker 4: ninety five so.
Speaker 3: One and see Overshown is six two twenty so he's
Speaker 3: twenty pounds.
Speaker 4: Heavier than so that's why he is by the way,
Speaker 4: and Overshown was not going to be ready for the
Speaker 4: start of the season. And so I'm sitting there going,
Speaker 4: if you don't resign Eric Kendricks, you got they.
Speaker 2: Are now that he's Thereic Kendrick replacement, right, and they
Speaker 2: But when.
Speaker 3: Overshown gets ready and you have Murray and Overshown on
Speaker 3: the field together, wow, if over Overshow can get back.
Speaker 4: To play, because it was it was Maris lufoul and
Speaker 4: it takes nothing away from Leofowl.
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, he's right there.
Speaker 4: He's going to be a starter.
Speaker 3: And by the way, and back by the way, Jack Sanborn,
Speaker 3: who was our lead story.
Speaker 4: That's right, bick shots he started buried him.
Speaker 2: He started three games for Chicago last year.
Speaker 4: Well he had started. Where did I see that? I
Speaker 4: made a note In twenty twenty three for Eberflus, he
Speaker 4: started ten of seventeen games.
Speaker 6: I heard he's very athletic. He is, no, he is
Speaker 6: really elusively.
Speaker 4: He's a younger replacement for nick Vic because he will
Speaker 4: play special teams too. So these are just little things
Speaker 4: they've done. Everybody wants a splash. But when you gotta
Speaker 4: be careful, knowing that you're gonna spend money on MICHAEH. Parsons,
Speaker 4: you know, you gotta kind of patch things together. Another
Speaker 4: thing on elim which, by the way, you were talking
Speaker 4: about forties. I think I saw he ran a four
Speaker 4: three nine coming.
Speaker 2: Out, and that's why you're a first round draft.
Speaker 4: Pick, right A corner that can run.
Speaker 2: So in good size to six', ONE i think got to.
Speaker 4: Hope he can still run.
Speaker 3: Now having said, That i've talked about guys THAT i
Speaker 3: like In Solomon thomas And Kenneth.
Speaker 2: MURRAY i got no idea on This Peyton turner from The.
Speaker 4: Saints he didn't what.
Speaker 2: Position he's a defensive. End he's six, six two. Seventy.
Speaker 3: Uh he's got the traits that you're looking for with
Speaker 3: like thirty five inch arms.
Speaker 2: And like dila and but he hasn't.
Speaker 3: Played, hey he's been hurt those two days he came
Speaker 3: out Of.
Speaker 2: Houston he came out Of, houston and he was hurt
Speaker 2: a lot In.
Speaker 3: Houston he got drafted in the first round twenty eighth
Speaker 3: overall by The saints four years ago based on, traits
Speaker 3: and he hasn't been able to either get on the
Speaker 3: field or stay on the.
Speaker 4: Field thirty one games he played in four, years no.
Speaker 3: Starts so while we invest a couple of couple of
Speaker 3: sacks last year because he's got, potential and you're you're
Speaker 3: not investing. Much it's a one, year three million, dollars
Speaker 3: two million dollar. Guaranteed it's a slightly above the veteran minimum,
Speaker 3: basically and so you're taking a chance that maybe it'll.
Speaker 4: Hit state probably looked at your draft notes and, said
Speaker 4: here's what.
Speaker 3: We, did exactly got and, that and others felt the same.
Speaker 3: Way that's why he was a first round draft, pick,
Speaker 3: right and you hope you tap into that.
Speaker 6: Pootential undrafted free. AGENT i am appalled at some of the. Signings,
Speaker 6: man what are we doing in this? CORNERBACK i, MEAN
Speaker 6: i Remember romo talking about this, GUY i think doing the.
Speaker 6: Game he was getting toasted up man as a. Cornerback
Speaker 6: i'm just, man what are we looking? At here are
Speaker 6: we looking?
Speaker 5: At?
Speaker 2: Oh Kaye? Elam?
Speaker 3: Yeah, YEAH i mean and in, fact that's what, happened
Speaker 3: like in the playoffs Against Buffalo Christian, benford who beat him,
Speaker 3: out gets hurt And mahomes immediately picked On.
Speaker 2: Eli yes he. Did and so that's what you're.
Speaker 3: Doing and that's, why by the, way that's why we
Speaker 3: spoke of him in the same terms Of tuma. Coming
Speaker 3: he's got a lot to prove And peyton has a
Speaker 3: lot to prove.
Speaker 4: Also So elam his dad played, Here, Abram abram ABE.
Speaker 2: I can't believe. Abe elam is old enough to.
Speaker 4: Well came as a rookie in two thousand and, six
Speaker 4: so that's twenty twenty seasons, ago, Right.
Speaker 5: Yeah that's.
Speaker 2: True, okay we'll have more on Ab.
Speaker 4: Elam Ed eddie came, back played one year and then
Speaker 4: came back in twenty, eleven played one more year and
Speaker 4: in between played other places too as a.
Speaker 2: Safety say, there.
Speaker 3: He's probably listening to you dog his. SON i didn't
Speaker 3: dog you, guys did know pull the.
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