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Speaker 1: set the scene for us here. What's going on? Well,

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Speaker 1: we are here at RAX Camp. We're in south central

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Speaker 1: to be uh very familiar with and fond of over

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Speaker 1: a number of years now. I've probably camping in and

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Speaker 1: around this particular spot for close to a decade of

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Speaker 1: hunting a variety of species, and over the course of

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Speaker 1: those hunts, I have encountered rix in this general area

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Speaker 1: on a number of occasions. So we're here just just

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Speaker 1: outside the periphery of the White Sands Missile Range in

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Speaker 1: south central New Mexico, which is the place you want

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Speaker 1: to be if you're looking for the wily and elusive

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Speaker 1: African oracs. I think that you might have even expressed

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Speaker 1: at one point here that you intimated that you may

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Speaker 1: have even seen one very near where we're at right now.

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Speaker 1: If you were to take a straight line distance from

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Speaker 1: where our keysters are on these seats right now, I

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Speaker 1: have seen an orix no more than three yards sitting

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Speaker 1: right now, right shot range. Uh, tom Bodett's here. Mike

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Speaker 1: rules on the show before and people wrote in the

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Speaker 1: guy wrote, Mike saw a comment where he said, um Man,

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Speaker 1: that guy sounds just like tom Bodett. Hit it hit

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Speaker 1: at my Yeah, like I said, dude, sounds just like

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Speaker 1: Tombo Deett, So do a Tambo Deett line. This is

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Speaker 1: Tombo Deett from Hotel six, and we'll leave the line

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Speaker 1: on for you. That's pretty good man job. I really

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Speaker 1: respect Tombo Debt, so I really took that as a compliment. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mike is actually a Tombo Deett fan. I think that'd

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Speaker 1: be fair. Yeah, he's got a great backstory Homer, Alaska,

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Speaker 1: and it's tied in with the singer Jewel. What was

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Speaker 1: her tune? She had like one super famous tune, didn't she.

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Speaker 1: She had a bunch of good ones. And you're a

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Speaker 1: Michigan guy. She she did some of her training at

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Speaker 1: that Interlocking Fine Arts camp. Well, and that's been there.

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Speaker 1: I saw Gordon Lightfoot there first time I saw Gordon Lightfoot,

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Speaker 1: but the the Interlocking camp as part of the whole

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Speaker 1: story about Tombo Dett and jewel and the connection. Yeah, Homer,

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Speaker 1: Alaska is the hometown of well Tombo that's not from Homer,

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Speaker 1: I don't think, but but he moved up there, right,

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Speaker 1: And then they had a fundraiser to send this jewel

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Speaker 1: toward it. Correct. I got one jewel thing, one jewel

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Speaker 1: line that's rolling around in my head. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: it's that who Will Save Your Soul? That that was

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Speaker 1: I mean I I totally had a jewel crush going

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Speaker 1: that the fact that she wasn't just like this perfectly polished.

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Speaker 1: you wife, talking about Gel. Start talking about my wife

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Speaker 1: Snaggle too. No, I'm talking about Jewel. But I like

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Speaker 1: for like twenty some MT sporting goods. So here was

425
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: my mom's finally like I really have a pair of

426
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: because I'll buy those ones for you. And I'm like,

427
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: no one will notice. No one noticed. I wasn't in

428
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: I was in fifth or sixth grade. I wasn't at

429
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: the schoolhouse. Five minutes someone noticed stand ate Steve. Yeah,

430
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: they picked up on it like flies on ship. They

431
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: were just on it, like they knew it, and they

432
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: were they let you know commercial you keep wearing them.

433
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: I remember, man, Probably not. I do remember there being

434
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a plan where my mom

435
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: was gonna try to darken up that other stripe somehow.

436
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: It's horrible. Well, being a parent, do you find that

437
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 1: you have some of those same tendencies with your family?

438
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: Now it depends why they want what they want, But no,

439
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: I'll buy them like good outdoor stuff of two colored shoes.

440
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: You wouldn't. Oh, I do lots of just a mess

441
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: with them, though, like make them eat something they don't want.

442
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,239
Speaker 1: It just I just do Yeah, I just do mean

443
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: stuff to him, just so they're like, I tell them

444
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: someday when you're in college you're telling stories about how

445
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: mean your dad was. You'll be glad I did this

446
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: because you have a funny story. All right, So you're welcome. Kids.

447
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: Where were we? Scook them? Good? Scook them? Hold on, yeah,

448
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: scook them story about orcs am I doing a good

449
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: job of using this appropriately. Okay, you am strong, brave

450
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: or impressive? Does it give the etymology of the word?

451
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: You know what that means? Look up the etymology of etymology? Hm,

452
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: what entomology? Word history? Study of words? Where where they

453
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 1: come from? From the etymology of the word. People say,

454
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: what's the etymology of flip flop flusher? I'd say, well,

455
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: he flushes in flip flops? Mid nineteen century? Chinook Jorgan

456
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: oh Chinook? Yeah, Northwest Pacific northwest cool. It's a tribe

457
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: in the Pacific Northwest. But that's why the guy I

458
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: know it from is sim Shan, and they probably used

459
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: to take big canoes and fight each other. If I

460
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: had to guess the sim Shan and the Chinook. But

461
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: he's simp Shan. His his people must have picked it

462
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: up from the chinook High Simian people should start using

463
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: it more often. Scoop them you're good and strong on

464
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: a given topic. Okay, the scoopum story of the feel

465
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: semi scookum on the history of orcs. Do you wand

466
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: it real quick for people just to ease this back

467
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: into the conversation about orcs, do you might really quick

468
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: laying out what one of these things looks like? Who

469
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: wants to do that? Mike, you haven't said Tombodet, will

470
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: now explain, Oh man, what does it works look like? Uh?

471
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: Dig deep into your bi biology training. Well, they are

472
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: in terms of size like a mature bull. Orcs is

473
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,479
Speaker 1: roughly you the size of a cow elk. I would say, uh,

474
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: they are probably slightly shorter in their body, but deeper

475
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: like when you look at one, they're there their chest

476
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: particularly like if you come up the leg, they are

477
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: very deep from the bottom of the chest to the

478
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: top of their back. They kind of look like a

479
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: like a billboard, you know, standing there um. And they

480
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: have really distinct markings, so we we say that they

481
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: have like a clown face. They have a face that

482
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: is is black, angelic white right with with striking white

483
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: alongside the black. Yeah, is their face mostly white or

484
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: mostly black? I'm trying to think of it now. It's

485
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: got more a little probably a little more white than black.

486
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: But what is the butterfly? Is that same butterflies white?

487
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: But it's like two triangles that kind of at the

488
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: middle of the face. Yeah, I just scunned one, but

489
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: I can't remember. Makes its way up to its ears.

490
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: Really pretty. Their their bodies are tan, mostly tan in color.

491
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: Their bellies are white, but they have a black stripe

492
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: that runs along their belly. Uh. And then as far

493
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: as headgear, they got big sweat socks on. Yeah. Oh yeah,

494
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: they have big white socks of black legs and then

495
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: big white like a big white band like a sock band.

496
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: Reminds me of the old baseball socks I used to

497
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: wear a little. Then they got some horns and then

498
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: the Yeah, the head gear is like a really striking

499
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: element of of them. Uh, long straight, it's like two swords,

500
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: sword like horns, and they're they're especially from a distance,

501
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: I think that the horns will look jet black when

502
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: you get up to them. Once you've harvested one, I

503
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: think they look almost a little bit more dull, but

504
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: maybe they're just a little dusty to once you know,

505
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: once that business is done, there's an age piece to

506
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: it too, with the darkness. Then, yeah, the juveniles will

507
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: have like a a relatively kind of dusty looking horns.

508
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: So the one, the one that you shot, is relatively

509
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: young bull. We'll get into those those details a little

510
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: bit more. But when you look at the tips of

511
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: those horns, you can see where that initial sheath is

512
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: starting to wear away. And if you get into one

513
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: that's that's an older animal, it'll have more of a

514
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: smooth and polished and darker kind of horn to it,

515
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: and a long horn. On orcs, like Jeremy, you kill

516
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: the orcs long and some of the longest horns or females. Yeah,

517
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, the females tend to have, in my experience,

518
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: some pretty long thin or horns, and you know, the

519
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: bulls tend to be a little shorter, hold a little

520
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: bit more mass like yours did um and like like

521
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: Carl said, the older they get, they get a little

522
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: bit more polished. The female hour was you know, lucky

523
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: enough to harvest, had some She was third eight inches long.

524
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: She flared out right at twenty four not to put

525
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: numbers on it, but it was just a beautiful specimen.

526
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: She was polished all the way down and she even

527
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: had a little bit of like ivory tips there at

528
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 1: the tip of her horns. Yeah. Yeah, real pretty and

529
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: a big whopper is mid forties. Well yeah, I mean

530
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: like if for bulls, if you shot a forty inch bull,

531
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: people would be like, that is you know, that is

532
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: the orcs of of a lifetime kind of like, you know,

533
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: that's the that's that's one eight white tail. I think

534
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: that thirty to forties what I'm seeing is being the average. Yeah,

535
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: and where were we in terms of the one you

536
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: got in terms of the story. I just wanted to

537
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: real quick fill people on what they look like. Well,

538
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: I think Mike's doing an awesome job of lining out

539
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: the appearance of the orcs. Um. One one piece that

540
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about those that paint brush tail. Oh,

541
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: that's something that's something that always stands out and um,

542
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: especially when you're glass and for them, they've got this

543
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: tail that like the tip of the tail it looks

544
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: like it could almost drag on the ground, and it's

545
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: got these maybe twelve inch or longer hairs that extend

546
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: from probably halfway down the tail to the tail tip.

547
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: The whole the whole length of the tail is probably

548
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood of eighteen inches or so, and then

549
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: those hairs extend significantly farther beyond that, and it seems

550
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: like when they're on their feet, that tail is just

551
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: constantly swooshing, so a lot of times in your glass,

552
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: and especially once the heat of the day has picked

553
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: up and you're looking through that heat mirage, you know,

554
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: you're trying your your search images like that that kind

555
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: of cream colored body, and if you see that that

556
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: flickering tail, that fly fly swatter tail kind of blacking

557
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: out a portion of the shape in the distance, that

558
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: can be one of the tell tale things that you're

559
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: looking at an oryx as opposed to a similarly colored cow.

560
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: And we have encountered a number of cattle on this

561
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: trip that have some striking resemblance to marks in various ways.

562
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: But but the tail is one of the things that

563
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 1: can definitely give them away from a long distance. If

564
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: I could spin back to a couple of the numbers

565
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: some of the population just to throw that out. So

566
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: they said between nineteen seventy seven ninety three, as you mentioned,

567
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: car were released, they expected that to reach about six

568
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: hundred animals on Wismer and by two things White Sands

569
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: missile range, and by two thousand and one the population

570
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: had peaked to about between four and six thousand. And

571
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: now we're looking at it and they say currently the

572
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: population is between three to four thousand. And the information

573
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: Jeremy's quoting is from a New Mexico Department of Game

574
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: and Fish Wildlife. Note, So if somebody's really curious what

575
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: they look like, that would be a place to go

576
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: and get a page or two of information about or

577
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: in New Mexico and see a picture of one. Does it?

578
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: Does it? Do? You guys know what year they started

579
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: allowing people to hunt for him? Well, they said they

580
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: already by the mides. The overabundance had prompted the game

581
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: department in Wismer to start to create hunting opportunities. So

582
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: what when we say that I'm down here hunting right

583
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: now hunt for orcs. I drew what's called an off

584
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: range hunt. And Carl mentioned off range hunts a minute ago.

585
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: So ricks hunting like in the general vernacular of ricks hunting,

586
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: if you say like I drew an ORCS tag. Uh.

587
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: People in the know will know that you're talking about

588
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: New Mexico. UM. They will say to you immediately off

589
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: range round range. On range is I don't want to

590
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: say it's cooler, but on range is much more difficult

591
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: to draw correct correct And why is that? Well, it's

592
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: it's there is a whole bunch of them. Well, there's

593
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of them. And of course, you know

594
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: White Sands Missile Range is an active military installation and

595
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: so there are a lot of things going on on

596
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: that installation, and so any of the hunts that are

597
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: on the range require really close coordination between New Mexico

598
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: game and fish and the missile range. And you know,

599
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: that level of complexity to kind of work hunts and

600
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: around missions UM, I think makes makes it really difficult

601
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: to hold lots and lots of hunts on the range.

602
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: So there are much you know, the hunting opportunities are

603
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: far fewer on the range, and so there's more orcs

604
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: on the range because you know, there there's just not

605
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: as many tags, there as many hunting raortunities as what

606
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: you drew here off range. When you so if you

607
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: draw an on range or its tag, which means you

608
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: draw a tag to hunt on White Sands missile Range. Um,

609
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: you and everyone with you has to go through a

610
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: background check. Yeah, so my wife drew a once in

611
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: a lifetime hunt. But now we're getting I gotta explain that. Okay,

612
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: now I'll do that. I'll do I think I can

613
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: handle this one. There are a variety of hunts that

614
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: the cur on White Sands missile range. There are broken

615
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: horn hunts, and you can apply for this. Anybody listening

616
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: to this show. I think you can go if they

617
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: can pass it back. Well, no, you need to. You

618
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: don't need to pass the background check to apply, but

619
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: if you get drawn, they can apply. I don't know

620
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: you can apply. Anyone could go on here and fill

621
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: out the thing and say I want to apply for

622
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: a White Sands an no range hunt. You can apply

623
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: for a broken horn hunt, which means you can only

624
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: shooting orcs with one busted horn that is not once

625
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: in a lifetime. You can get it again later. You

626
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: can apply for a non a once in a lifetime

627
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: ORCS hunt, which means you can pick any orcs you want.

628
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: Then when you draw that, you're done for your life. Yeah,

629
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: I've been over here shaking my head. I think all

630
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: of that was correct. Now, can you go from getting

631
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: the once in a lifetime to a broken horn? So,

632
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: which which I think is one of the things if

633
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: you look at drawing odds for broken horns, it's not like,

634
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: oh man, it's you know, it's really easy to draw

635
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: an on range broken horn hunt because everybody that's ever

636
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: drawn once in a lifetime range hunt then becomes more

637
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: likely to apply on the range for broken horn hunts. So,

638
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: and then there's also hunts, as I understand it now,

639
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: there are all manner of hunts that the military puts on.

640
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: They put on a hunt, they have tags available to

641
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, they have tags available to people

642
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: that work there. There there may be I'd have to

643
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: look at the at the book there there may be

644
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: an active duty veteran hunt, although that a special draw

645
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: for them. There are also rics on some other military

646
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: installations in New Mexico, like the McGregor Range, which is

647
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: part of Fort Bless And so I get a little

648
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: confused on the details sometimes regarding active duty hunts and

649
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: the returning Iraq and Afghanistan veteran hunts. But there there

650
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: there are a number of opportunities for military folks, and

651
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: then there there are population management or hunts that you

652
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: have to have the clearance to go. You have to

653
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: have security clearance to go on range, which generally means

654
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: that you are somebody who in some capacity works on

655
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: the range and has already passed all of the security

656
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: So if you actively hold security clearance. There are sort

657
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: of like these emergency hunts where you can go out

658
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: and they use it to go out and get orcs

659
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: that are yeah stuff column necessarily emergency, but they're used

660
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: as a population management tool. So when you apply and

661
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: you and you land. So you apply and you get

662
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: an on range hunt, which is not what we have.

663
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: You get an on range hunt, then you gotta submit

664
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: and go through security clearance. Yeah, and you and your

665
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: hunting buddies, then you have a three day season. Well

666
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean it's you do a number of

667
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: things through that application process. You know, some pre training

668
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: about being on the missile range where there's always a

669
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: concern about unexploded ordinance. Yeah, they told you if you

670
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: didn't drop it, don't pick it up. My favorite quote

671
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: from the training was the guy was like pretty much

672
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: oils down to like, if you didn't drop that thing,

673
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: I don't even think about picking of them. It could

674
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: blow you up. Um. But yeah, so you uh my

675
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 1: wife's hunt, so she drew a once in a lifetime

676
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: hunt on the range. Um. We show up at the

677
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: gate early in the morning. You know, they tell you

678
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: when to be there. You end up in a big

679
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: line of cars with all the other people. How many

680
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: tag holders are rolling in there on that day? I

681
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: think around fifty is my record. And they all got

682
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: two buddies with them or whatever. Three probably it's like

683
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: maimum it is right. It is a maximum of the

684
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: hunter plus three guests, so it's basically never more than four. Um.

685
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: All the guests have to do the background checked. Everybody

686
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: has to be checked, and they like, you know there's

687
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: this is all pre checked. Yeah, yeah, that's all ahead

688
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: of time. Then you show up at the gate. You know,

689
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: they may what an enormous amount of work for somebody, right,

690
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: and you have to like you have to do things like, uh,

691
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: submit the serial number of the firearms that you're gonna take.

692
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're not allowed to take additional firearms

693
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: outside of those. You're limited to a two rifles, no photos,

694
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: no recording equipment. Right do they check your firearm one

695
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: you get on range. I do not recall that we

696
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: got checked, but I have certainly heard stories of people

697
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: getting checked. I know, I've heard stories of other folks

698
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: showing up like and having their cooler because they're down

699
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: their camping or whatever, you know, and they have some

700
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: beer in the cooler. Well, that's against the range rules,

701
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: so they won't let you on with that beer. You know,

702
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta throw that away. So it's you know,

703
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: it's pretty rigorous right there at the gate, just getting on,

704
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: and they check everybody in and look at everybody's I

705
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: d s. And they do all that stuff. And then

706
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: you proceed to a little sort of hunt organization area

707
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: and everybody gets out of their truck and and then

708
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: you stand there and listen to a briefing, so they

709
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: really sort of repeat all the stuff that they've already

710
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: provided you written material on you know about I mean

711
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: a little bit about orcs and you know their anatomy

712
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: so that you're effective at at shooting them, which I

713
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: think will probably get into. But you know, also again

714
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: about unexploded ordinance and being very careful and they review

715
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: a hunt map with you, because there are places on

716
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: the range that require that that either are closed because

717
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: they are known to have unexploded ordinance, you know, and

718
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: a high density of it, and you can't go in

719
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: there because dangerous, or that there's some active you know,

720
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: military exercise or or operations experiments and aliens and stuff.

721
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: I don't know about that testing alien aircraft something, but

722
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: you know. So so there's there's all a number of

723
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: places even when you're on range. It's like if you

724
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: if you are caught going in there, you will immediately

725
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 1: be escorted off the range and probably lucky if that's

726
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 1: the only consequence that that comes of it. And even

727
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: when you leave, they look at your phone. I've you know,

728
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: I've I've heard that's another sort of thing that i've

729
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: i've heard has happened. Uh, it didn't happen to us. Um,

730
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: like no one reviewed your your record and my you know,

731
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: my recollection. And again, if if you draw one of

732
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: these hunts, don't listen to this podcasts and not read

733
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: any of the information they send you. I'm good. I'm

734
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: I actually recall that they they now I believe, require

735
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: you to have a cell phone so that if they

736
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: lose track of you or you know, some of the

737
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: roads on the range are as rough as things that

738
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: we drove to this week. You know, if you get

739
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: stuck back there, you have a or chance of getting help. Um.

740
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: My recollection is they told us you can take a photo,

741
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: you can take photos of the rics, but they don't

742
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: want anything in the photos, Like they don't want big

743
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: panoramic skyline kind of stuff. You know. It's like if

744
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: you're standing there kind of looking down at the orcs,

745
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: you know, with with dirt, you know, juniverse, whatever it

746
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: is kind of the ground, that's okay, but you know,

747
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: don't don't drive around and take photos of anything other

748
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: than your rix. Don't take any video period, you know,

749
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: and when you do take pictures of the rics, make

750
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: sure that that those photographs are, you know, just that

751
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: limited to that sort of small field of view. And

752
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: when you go through all this rigmarole, you drive out

753
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: of there and all of a sudden it's just or

754
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: standing everywhere. Uh. I don't know that I would say

755
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: that that was necessarily our experienced success strates are in

756
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: the nineties. It's it's interesting because of course, you so

757
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: one thing to come back too quick? Is you mentioned

758
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: three days? So my wife's hunt, that was what all

759
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: that I just described was Friday morning and then we

760
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: had I believe we had to be off range by

761
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: the end of shooting light on Sunday. So really I mean,

762
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: and really the briefing and stuff takes up most of

763
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: that Friday morning, so it's really about two and a

764
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 1: half days of hunting that you get on that once

765
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: in a lifetime hunt. So there's some there's some pressure,

766
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean by the end of my wife

767
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: shot hers on Saturday afternoon, and by Saturday afternoon you're going, like,

768
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: you know, we want to make something work out here,

769
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: because the once in a lifetime element doesn't have anything

770
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: to do with whether you actually harvest in the animal

771
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: or not. So did she get like a big giant toad. No,

772
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: she got one very similar to the to the one

773
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: you harvested this week. But as far as what it

774
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: was like kind of interesting because of course, now you've

775
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: got fifty hunter right at the hunt briefing area, and

776
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: there's a there can be a bit of a race

777
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: two their trucks to kind of like get out there

778
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: and find, you know, the orics close to the road.

779
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: We we kind of opted out of that. We were

780
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: just kind of like, you know what, we'll mosey back

781
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: to our trucks. We'll we'll let this, you know, this

782
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: rush of of folks clear out, and then we'll take

783
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: off to some areas that you know, we had gotten

784
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: advice from people to look at, and we'll leave the

785
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: light on for you, right. And so we got we

786
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, we did get back there the first afternoon

787
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: and got up kind of on top of the you know,

788
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: cooler in the bed of the truck and broke out

789
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: some glass and pretty quickly found some animals and and uh,

790
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: we spent I've actually probably never spent that much time

791
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: within two hundred yards of a group of animals that

792
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: we wanted to harvest one of and and we never

793
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: got a shot because of what. Uh they were in

794
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: a really wide open area and we made a good stock,

795
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: but the shooting conditions were such that the grass was

796
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: tall enough we couldn't she couldn't lay down and shoot

797
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: off of her pack, so we had to try to

798
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: get up just a little bit. But but I mean,

799
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 1: like there's really nothing between us and the Yorks other

800
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: than you know, ten inch tall grass, and so trying

801
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: not to be obvious, but but getting high enough and

802
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: a solid enough rest to get her a shot. And

803
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: then kind of what would happen would would be there

804
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: were enough animals that one that we would want, you know,

805
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: would get out in the perfect spot, and by the

806
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: time we got set up and she got on that one,

807
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: another one would walk in front of it, or it

808
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: will walk back into the group. So it just it

809
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: was one of those weird kind of situations where you're,

810
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, you're just like for two hours, you're like,

811
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: any second, this is going to all come together. This

812
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: is a comfortable range, you know, this is really sort

813
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: of confident shooting area for my wife, who's quite handy

814
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: with a rifle. But um, it just never happened. And

815
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: then we as it was getting dark, we tried to

816
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: get a little bit more aggressive, and of course that

817
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: would which you know, I tried to get more aggressive

818
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 1: and and get it to come together, and it didn't.

819
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: They have a reputation for going down and getting up

820
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: and running off. Well, you know, Carl may actually be

821
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: better to tackle the anatomy, but but they are. They

822
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: they have a very interesting anatomy that is substantially different

823
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: from North American deer species. Yeah, I mean they do

824
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: that that deep chest that Mike was talking about. I

825
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: think it leaves you a lot of opportunity to place

826
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: what you think is a good shot and have it

827
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: not end up being lethal. And they're also just a

828
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 1: tough animal, you know, so that that build that they have. UM.

829
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: The advice generally that that you hear when it comes

830
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: to shot placement on an oors is if you think about,

831
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: like on a white tail, for example, putting those cross

832
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: here sort of tight behind the shoulder. UM. You'd want

833
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: to be farther forward with that and maybe even a

834
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: little bit lower UM. And then when you take that

835
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,479
Speaker 1: first shot, if you're fortunate enough to put the animal down.

836
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: I think it's very advisable based on a lot of

837
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: anecdotes I have both heard and personally experienced to be

838
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: ready for a follow up shot because I have I've

839
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: personally seen animal be knocked down off their feet by

840
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: a shot, lie there on the ground for a handful

841
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: of seconds, and then kick their feet a few times,

842
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: jump back up, and then run to the horizon. So

843
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: high degree of um conservatism with your your willingness to

844
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 1: follow up like air. On the side of multiple shots,

845
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: I would say, be liberal with your follow up shots.

846
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: Be liberal with your follow up shots. That's a good

847
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: way putting it in. Conservative with your um celebrations. Yes, yea,

848
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: so we had so that breaks down. That's pretty good

849
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: job range. Oh. Yes, to Carl's anatomy lesson there, I

850
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: would say that I would add that, in addition to

851
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: their chest being very deep, their necks are very deep,

852
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: and the location of their spine actually dips kind of

853
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: far down into their body, and so this big hump

854
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: of shoulder that makes up you know, the depth that

855
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: you're looking at them in profile, has processes or like

856
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: almost fin raise of bone that stick up off of it.

857
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: And I think that it is not uncommon spinal processes.

858
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: I think they came right, Yeah, I think I think

859
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: it is not uncommon for them to get hit up

860
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: high in those processes of bones sticking off the spine,

861
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: and that kind of creates shock in the spine, knocks

862
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: them down, gives them the appearance of being stone dead.

863
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: And then as a lot of white tail hunters even

864
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: have experience, you know, if you shoot just above or

865
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 1: just below the spine with a rifle, like you can

866
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: have that happen, right, the deer just looks dead for

867
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: a minute or two minutes and then just pops up

868
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: runs away. So I think my suspicion is that that

869
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: is a kind of a common thing that occurs with ORYX.

870
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: So we had we did not have the en range

871
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: hunt for everybody else who does not like the other

872
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: thing you can apply for when you go online to apply,

873
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: you apply for like the broken horn on range, the

874
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime on range, YadA YadA, or you

875
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: just get a straight up off range tag. And the

876
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: off range tag is good for the entire state, except

877
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: the range spatial is good for anywhere who was not

878
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of them. Yeah, and those those other military installations,

879
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: and of course you can't go on those places that

880
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 1: are specifically excluded. There's some research areas, and so it's good. Yeah,

881
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: it's good for not on the military installations, not on

882
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: any kind of thing that would otherwise be closed to hunting,

883
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: but it's good for all public lands um in the state.

884
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: Though the activity in the population is kind of centered

885
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: around the missile range, um private land, off range private land.

886
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: Anyone can go buy a tag at any time and

887
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: shooting orcs on private land year round. I didn't know

888
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: that little detail till yesterday. So when you get an

889
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: off range tag like what I had, it's good private

890
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: or public off range and they run the hunts. They

891
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: used to run the hunts year round, so every month,

892
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: for every month they issue about a D sixty tags.

893
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: They now only run it ten months out of the

894
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: year April and May. They take it off for whatever reason,

895
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: as you want to go turkey hunt, they take turkey

896
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: season off. No, I think it's it's associated with the

897
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: draw because you have to apply for the license, so

898
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: there has to be a period, you know where, Like

899
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: so our draw was in April, right, Well, they couldn't

900
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: We couldn't call They couldn't call you up in in

901
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: April basically and say oh hey, it's the twenty April

902
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: and you drew an orc's Yeah, but it's easy to

903
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 1: that's not the answer because if that was the case,

904
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: then you would just do the draw and issue April

905
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: in May for the whole year ahead. YEA. But hunting

906
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: license because about the hunting license expires, I think that

907
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: you think it is related to that. That's that That's

908
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: been my understanding again, maybe not totally scoop them on. No, no, no,

909
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: Now that you put it that way, I like it,

910
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: and I think that you would have without divulging details

911
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: about you, I think that you would have reason to

912
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: understand sure through proximity. I have a lot of conversations

913
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: about talks a lot about hunting and fishing in Mexic

914
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: with people who are very knowledgeable. So, uh, every month,

915
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: ten months a year they hand out right now, like

916
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: what one believe, they give out a hundred and sixty

917
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: tags and your tag is good for one month. So

918
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: in a lot of areas where you get used to

919
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 1: like deer seasons, whatever, it's a month long, too much long.

920
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: It is always rac season. And those orcs that are

921
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: off range seem to be very aware of the fact

922
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: that people are trying to get them because they live

923
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: with it year round. It's always Oris hunting season, and

924
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: they really really overreact. Two sounds of trucks appropriately, they responded,

925
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: Probably a dude perched up on a safari rack in

926
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: the back of a pickup. It was cause for leaving

927
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: not only the area, but cause for leaving the county.

928
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: Draw proportionate response from the orcs or returning to the

929
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: range exceedingly wary, and perhaps they have a sense of

930
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: where it's safe to be. It would seem that way, Yeah,

931
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: relatively safe anyway. Yeah, they have a sense of what

932
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: direction to go when you get after him. So we

933
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: showed up to hunt, and I had what these guys

934
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: have called themselves and I stand by at the O

935
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: team because I was probably the first at first, I'm

936
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: a first time RIX hunter who was being able to

937
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: hunt with three friends who all are seasoned the rics hunters, Like,

938
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: how many hunts have been on Jeremy, Probably about a

939
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: half dozen, six or seven, And how many of you

940
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 1: gotten personally? I've gotten one personally and you I've gotten too,

941
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: and probably about a half a dozen others other haunts

942
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: that were successful. Yeah, I would say, I mean similar.

943
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: So I've shot one and I've probably been not with

944
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: half a dozen hunts total. And you know, I certainly

945
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: would acknowledge there's a ton of people who have like

946
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: infinitely more experience. But the team that we've assembled, I

947
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: think there's good chemistry and a just a good degree

948
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: of um like the right personalities and some people that

949
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: have good game eyes. So I would say, like we're

950
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: probably not like the varsity level in terms of RIX experience.

951
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: But we're we have a trio here. People have spent

952
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 1: a lot of time glassing and you know what we're

953
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: looking for. Um. So I'm sure there's a bunch of

954
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: people listening to this who would be more scoop um

955
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: than we are when it comes to Oric's hunting. But

956
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: we're I would say, like at a at a proficient level,

957
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: describe or hunting well. To be honest with you, the

958
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: time I've spent looking at Orix, um has I probably

959
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: spent more time looking through glass at Orix when I've

960
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: been hunting deer or elk than when I've been hunting Rix.

961
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: So UM A lot of the same strategies, like trying

962
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: to get out there, find a good vantage point. Um.

963
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: You know, I think in an ideal situation, you would

964
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: identify the location of Rix before they see you. I

965
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: know a lot of people spend a lot of time

966
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 1: driving driving roads and looking for him from the vehicles.

967
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: I think, you know, and we've we've spent a lot

968
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: of time driving around just because the area is so

969
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: vast and the places that we want to hunt are

970
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: far from each other. But like the idea of getting

971
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: out away from the vehicle, getting up high looking through glass,

972
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: hopefully finding an animal before it's detected you, which is

973
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: one of the downsides I think of essentially road hunting.

974
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: You know, oftentimes you're gonna be jumping up in orcs

975
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: with the truck and and hoping to bail out and

976
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: get a shot at it. And to me, like, I

977
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: would prefer a hunt where you're standing on your feet

978
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: looking through a pair of binoculars on a tripod, finding

979
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: an ORCX, planning a move and getting in there. I

980
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: think Mike, Mike put it really well. He said something

981
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: like getting in there and tangling with them. You just

982
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: gotta get in there, get in there and mix it up.

983
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: I think that that puts it really well, man. And

984
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: that's you know, for me, and I think for for us,

985
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: like that's the that's the way that we like to hunt, man,

986
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: But that that gets a little bit, that gets a

987
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: little bit complicated because of the landscape. So the first

988
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: big time the conditions, Yeah, the first orcs we found

989
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: on this trip that wasn't on range, So we're up

990
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: on a glass and knob where I don't know, man,

991
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: half of what you're looking at on range we're actually

992
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: like staring down the fence line from on high and

993
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: you're like, you're looking down there's a there's a fence

994
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: line that's been cleared, like a very clear demarcation line,

995
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: and half of what we can see is on range.

996
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: Half what we can see is off range, and there's

997
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: a big difference. I mean, there's a bunch of orcs

998
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: on range. Maybe I don't know what we saw the

999
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: at first afternoon and next morning we saw sixteen close. Yeah,

1000
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: I mean there was seventeen at one point in time,

1001
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: all visible on one side of the fence. Jeremy and

1002
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: I were confident we had seventeen at one, you know,

1003
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: basically at one time, and then Mike finally finds one

1004
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: maybe two yards on the other side of the fence. Right.

1005
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: We felt saw it from three and a half miles away,

1006
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: and you think, like, wow, if you can see it

1007
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: from three and a half miles away, it must be

1008
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: wide open. That's not the case. It's like you get

1009
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: glimpses of stuff from way far away, if you're up

1010
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: high or whatever. You just get these little glimpses and

1011
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: you realize that you might only the thing might only

1012
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: be visible like five percent of the time one percent

1013
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: of the time, I don't know. You can watch for

1014
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: hours and there's like one moment when there it is

1015
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: and then it's not. But then you get down on

1016
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: its level and there's nowhere to get up and like

1017
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: kind of like snipe in at him. There's just nothing

1018
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 1: you can do. You just gotta go in there. It's

1019
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: all stuff higher than your head. And even though you

1020
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: cause some little random glamp glimpse through the gaps and

1021
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: the stuff, at the end of the day, you gotta

1022
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: get in there. There's like no place to go wait,

1023
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: there's just you gotta go in there and find him.

1024
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 1: He's not gonna come to you. You gotta mix it up. Yeah,

1025
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like you're gonna get him. You know, he's

1026
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: not gonna You're not gonna get him at the Old crossing,

1027
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's difficult, you know, being kind

1028
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: of someone of a spot or two. You know, you

1029
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: see these animals, you know, the hunter and whoever else

1030
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: takes off after the animal to put on a potential stock.

1031
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: And as a spotter, you really want to be, you know,

1032
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: dead set on that animal and provide the most intel

1033
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: to that hunter to make sure they can they have

1034
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: that they can have a successful stock. And when you're

1035
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: sitting behind the glass, you know the contour of that

1036
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: landscape looks so flat, but when those animals start moving,

1037
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: they just almost instantly disappear, you know, and so it

1038
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: can get real frustrating as a spot or as you're

1039
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, trying to lay down the groundwork for that

1040
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: hunter closing the distance, but you lose sight of those

1041
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: animals and you lose sight of them. For I think

1042
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: Mike and I, you know, as you guys were hunting,

1043
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: as you were stalking in on your orics, there were

1044
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: moments where we would see the orix completely broadside, you know,

1045
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: as plain as day, and then he would disappear and

1046
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: we would for ten fifteen minutes have have no idea

1047
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: where he was, and you would just be panning across

1048
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: and every now and then, you know, going back to Carl's,

1049
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, the polishing of the horns. You would see

1050
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: these yuccas going back and forth and shaking, and then

1051
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: you would just see a little shine with the tips

1052
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: of the horns and you would occasionally glance that, you know,

1053
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: and then the orcs would move. And then there was

1054
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: a couple of instances where we were like, well, I

1055
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: think they're gone, you know, like I don't know what

1056
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. But all of a sudden you would

1057
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,439
Speaker 1: see something barely, you know, flicker and and you would

1058
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: think that it was the wide open and if there

1059
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: were an orics there you would see it. But he's

1060
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: just behind the contour that makes him almost invisible. Yeah,

1061
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: the one with the one we got onto where we

1062
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: went in after it. We spooked that probably fifty yards

1063
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: I think when it jumped up it was probably sub

1064
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: fifty and when it crossed out in front of us

1065
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: at a gallop, and I like, I like that because

1066
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: when that thing moved, I mean, we knew we were

1067
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: getting it close to where we'd seen it, and there

1068
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: were probably three or four seconds of hearing galloping hoofs

1069
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: before we could see the thing. And there was no

1070
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: question like, that's the orc's right, It's not gonna be

1071
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: a beef cowmbering out of there. It was like the

1072
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: brum brum. And it came across a gap at you know,

1073
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: fifty or sixty yards in front of you, looking animal,

1074
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: big long tail flying out behind it, and that was

1075
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: that was a big body, bold he didn't have very large,

1076
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: like very long horns, but the body on it was

1077
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: like a tank of an orix. And you know, he

1078
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: made a good decision in that situation not to shoot.

1079
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: And one of the things we talked about after the

1080
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: fact is the tendency of that animal to want to

1081
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: look back at whatever spooked it, you know, kind of

1082
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: like when you think about a mule deer sottting away

1083
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: and wanting to pause and look back and occasionally give

1084
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: you a shot opportunity. Um orcs are notorious for kind

1085
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: of wondering like what the heck was that? And so

1086
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, that particular individual did stop, unfortunately in an

1087
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: area where we could not see it, and as we

1088
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: pursued the direction that he had galloped off, we end

1089
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 1: up spooking him again at a farther distance and watched him,

1090
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, disappear again to the vegetation, which in that

1091
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: particular example was some kind of scattered, fairly thick juniper

1092
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: trees one seed junipers where the thing given us fits it,

1093
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: and that animal, Jeremy and I stayed up on the

1094
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: glassing knob to try to keep an eye on it,

1095
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: and and we lost that orcs about twenty minutes after

1096
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: you guys laughed, you know, to cover my vehicle and

1097
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: then foot this three and a half miles, which we

1098
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: knew would take at least an hour um, and we

1099
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: lost it. But where you jumped it was probably within

1100
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: a hundred yards of where we had last just disappeared.

1101
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: We never saw it. Well. After we spooked that one,

1102
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: we decided to go check out the other side of

1103
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: this little ridge and went over there, and Pope popped

1104
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: into one the second one we saw, and this one

1105
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: was at four yards already dead on us, just staring

1106
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: at us, and we're just like creeping up over the top.

1107
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: It's locked onto us and gone. Then I was like, man,

1108
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: this is not going to be super easy, because a

1109
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: lot of really hard to draw tags while not being easy,

1110
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: but this is not the case. Yeah, I think this

1111
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: is like a really interesting tag to hunt because it's

1112
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: not easy. But when you look at the success rates,

1113
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: they're not bad. It's not like, you know, it's not

1114
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: like killing a bull elk in Montana in the general

1115
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: season success right, I mean twenty or something like that. Yeah,

1116
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, so I think this hunt is like fifty

1117
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: or sixty percent success rate. So like if you hunt

1118
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: them if you really you know, if you put days

1119
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: in and you kind of grind it out, you know,

1120
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: and you will very likely have an opportunity. So it's

1121
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: not like it's not hard from the sense that, like

1122
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: you never see an animal, you know what I mean.

1123
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: But but it's very hard from the sense that, like

1124
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: you have to make a lot of right, correct decisions,

1125
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, in in the whole process to really get

1126
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: at the work. When the state post success rates for

1127
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: the hunt, are they only giving you last year's success

1128
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: rates or is it like an accumulation of years. Probably

1129
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: just last year's success rates, right, Like you can look

1130
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: it up year to year, and we're talking like if

1131
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: you look last year, I think it's like a forty

1132
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: to sixty window across those ten months of off ranch

1133
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: hunts is kind of the park. Another factor there is

1134
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: that you got a month to do it, you know.

1135
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: And you and I were chatting a bit when you

1136
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: found out you drew the tag. You're like, what would

1137
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: you what would you recommend? And I said, well, you

1138
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: could come down here. We might end up getting one

1139
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: in a day or two. But I think like a

1140
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: week of grinding it out, if we hit it hard,

1141
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: you will very likely have a good opportunity if we

1142
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: hit it hard for a week and you're we got

1143
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: one on our fourth day, fourth day. Another thing that

1144
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: happened to us while hunting is uh Orcs don't jump

1145
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: fences or its go under fences, and they're big and

1146
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: they don't fit just under any old fence, and so

1147
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: the thing is well known amount or its hunters is

1148
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: that you need to find they'll use. They'll know of

1149
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: crossing spots to get on fences. So whether it's a

1150
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: fence that would put them back into the mist into

1151
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: the safety of the missile range, or or just range

1152
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: fences out on the open out on the BLM land.

1153
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: Like everything around here is BLM ton of BLM, so

1154
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: range fences out on BLM land, um, they'll have known

1155
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: crossing spots. And it seems just from my observation, it

1156
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: seems like they like washouts where flash flooding or whatever

1157
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: scours out and makes a significant gap under a fence,

1158
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: and then they'll use those spots. I was talking to

1159
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: an outfit. He was saying, when he's seen people archery

1160
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: successfully archery hunt, did he ever say he says he's

1161
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: seen people get shots. He hasn't had any clients off range.

1162
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: He hasn't had any off range clients get one with

1163
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: a bow, but on range clients get them with bows.

1164
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: But I think you're saying off range. He's had people

1165
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: get shots, um, and those have been by finding a

1166
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: crossing under a fence and then just posting up and

1167
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: waiting on that crossing under the fence. And the thing

1168
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: that they like to do, he was explaining, is the

1169
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: thing they do is they brush out all the crossings

1170
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: so you can tell the vintage of tracks coming through.

1171
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: And they'll also just take tires and stuff and drag

1172
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: tires down the road to scrub the road of tracks,

1173
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: and then the morning you go drive the scrubbed road.

1174
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: I've seen people do this by pulling old box springs

1175
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: behind there, like just like bed springs, the same way

1176
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: you might groom out of baseball field or whatever, a

1177
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: chunk of chain link fence. Yeah, yeah, scrub it all out,

1178
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: and then the morning go drive and pick up a track.

1179
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: Because the peculiarity of this area, which would not this

1180
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: would be hard for people to picture they live in

1181
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: other parts of the country. When you're following a track

1182
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: in the desert, you can pretty much run. You can

1183
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: pretty much run and follow a track once you know

1184
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: what you're looking at. There's not so many tracks, and

1185
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: it's confusing. It wouldn't be like following white tails in

1186
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: the snow, where you know they're criss crossing and zigzag.

1187
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: And here's another group of six and then seven more

1188
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: across the track, and then he started hanging out with

1189
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: five of them and split off, and you can never

1190
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: do It's like it's sparse enough. There's a few enough

1191
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: life forms around that when you get on that track,

1192
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: you could run that track down. And one day we're

1193
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: driving along and we hit where there's a whole look

1194
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: a little hole down in the road, and we got

1195
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: out and sussed it out for quite a while and

1196
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,759
Speaker 1: eventually found where the track he had come in, mingled

1197
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: around the road a long time, went under a fence,

1198
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: and then we got on that track and followed that track,

1199
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: and um, you're just most of the time you'd have

1200
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: like a maximum shooting distance of fifty yards most of

1201
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: the time, like for like a clear shot, but you're

1202
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 1: just able to follow that track. And following this ORCS

1203
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 1: track he went to I think we were calling betting areas,

1204
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: but they're like scent post areas. He went from one

1205
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 1: to the next. I think he went to four spots,

1206
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: and the spots were all the same, big shade tree.

1207
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: Tons of ships scattered around the shade tree, pawed up

1208
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: ground and obvious beds, and then that track would leave

1209
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: and he'd go off in some other direction and he'd

1210
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: hit another one of those spots, and we followed him

1211
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: in a gigantic backwards s that's exactly right, at which

1212
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: point was like a hundred three degrees and we gave

1213
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: up on the track. Yeah, that s I mean the

1214
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: way you described it as exactly if you imagine just

1215
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: the mirror image of a giant s that from top

1216
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: to bottom was about one point four miles tall, So

1217
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: the length of that s We probably tracked that thing

1218
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 1: for two two and a half miles. And it was

1219
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: this securitist route that intersected with a number of those

1220
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: sent post spots along the way. And it was cool

1221
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 1: because there were other, you look like, other places where

1222
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: multiple animals might have come together and broken off and

1223
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: split apart. It hard, and I felt like at one

1224
01:09:55,560 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: point we might have got off big certainly upgraded. It's

1225
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: all a sudden the track we were on, like you'd

1226
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: get confused at these scent areas, and Carl felt and

1227
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: I think he was right advise, I feel like our

1228
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: track is like ever so slightly bigger than when they

1229
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 1: were on earlier. An interesting thing about the reason I

1230
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: was hard to keep optimism about the track was that

1231
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: we found where a coyote had stepped in its track,

1232
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, did a Kyle step in its

1233
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: track five minutes ago? Or are we on a day

1234
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: old track from the evening before? And then we found

1235
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: where it bedded, but we're it bedded a lizard had

1236
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: walked across, and I'm like, okay, did he just get

1237
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: up and a lizard happened to then just run across?

1238
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: Or has that been there a while? And that you

1239
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean? That shook my confidence a little bit.

1240
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: And on the flip side, though, we had a couple

1241
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: we found a couple of fecal piles that you know,

1242
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: if you chipped away at the top down at the core,

1243
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 1: there was still like some mucusie moisture down in there,

1244
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: and and the way that sun is loking down like

1245
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 1: I don't think a pile of scat like that could

1246
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: stay put for twenty four hours and not get baked

1247
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: to the drive all the way out because that I

1248
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: mean they were out in the wide open. So you

1249
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: and I, like independently, I think we reached a similar

1250
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: conclusion that that the tracks we were looking at were

1251
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,799
Speaker 1: probably from like the afternoon or evening of the day before.

1252
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 1: And then you're wondering, like, Okay, you know, the gate

1253
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: of these things. If they're just cruising, obviously they can

1254
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: cover a ton of ground, but if they're in the

1255
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 1: process of you know, like kind of checking out these

1256
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: different sent post areas, bedding down from time to time,

1257
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: feeding like maybe we're gaining ground, but one thing is

1258
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: sure in your mind, You're like, I know, beyond the

1259
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: shadow of a doubt at the end of this trail

1260
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: there is an oryx and I don't know how far

1261
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: that if you and if you had the stamina and

1262
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: and it didn't get over the fence into the range,

1263
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 1: like you would eventually spook it or find it, uh

1264
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: following that track. Another interesting thing about it is like

1265
01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 1: when you're up glassing, so Jeremy, explain your safari rack. Well,

1266
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: I think I think you guys, you know, bring up

1267
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 1: a great point, right, there's no perfect way to hunt Rix.

1268
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,759
Speaker 1: You know, we did. We tracked, we got up on knobs,

1269
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: and we glassed, and we cruised the Safari Rac. And

1270
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 1: you know, about ten years ago when I first started

1271
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: hunting Orix with some friends of mine, we've kind of

1272
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: fell into that same scenario where we were in the vehicle,

1273
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: you know, trying to track, trying to get to knobs

1274
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: to glass, and we just weren't being productive. We weren't

1275
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 1: turning up a lot of animals. And we realized, you know,

1276
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: with the contour of the landscape, we needed to get

1277
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: a vantage point. You know, they're the habitat is so

1278
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 1: expansive that you know, in order to cover that ground,

1279
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: you want to be doing it efficiently. And so we

1280
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, I have two really good friends, my my

1281
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: two buddies. They you know, put in a lot of

1282
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: hard work and creating this Safari Rac. They took an

1283
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: old ski lift at the time. At the time, Hey,

1284
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: this is coming from the world worst welder, well knows,

1285
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: people that have never welded, and then there's me, the

1286
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 1: world's worst welder, and then everything up from there. I

1287
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: feel like I could give you a run for your

1288
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: money on my high school legg teacher more or less

1289
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: just like ask me to stop, please, Mike, Yeah, this

1290
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,600
Speaker 1: is I would like you to stop using the welder you.

1291
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 1: I'll just give you a passing grade, but I don't

1292
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: want you to do it anymore. That is really an

1293
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: accurate portrayal of my my experience in welding. I think

1294
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 1: not to beat the welding thing to death, but there's

1295
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: like form and function, right and when it comes to function,

1296
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: that rack held two of us. You know that we're insensitive.

1297
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:40,759
Speaker 1: We're insensitive times. We're insensitive times. And everyone right now,

1298
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:44,520
Speaker 1: and I'm talking nationally, everyone right now is over sensitive

1299
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: and we're struggling with our sensitivity. I'm just making a

1300
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: joke about some globby ask looking wells on the Safari rack,

1301
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: and I'll point out that I was very aware of

1302
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 1: these because the roads are very rocky. And when you're

1303
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 1: up on the Safari rack and the driver tip a

1304
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: little bit to the right, because it's a thing you're

1305
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: like on a in the what do you call it

1306
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: a tuna boat. You're in the tuna tower. So it's

1307
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: two foot seas in a tuna tower feels like it's

1308
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 1: eight foot seas put someone down on the deck because like, no,

1309
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 1: stupid seas, Like, how could it be tupid seas. I'm

1310
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: swaying ten feet side to side. I think you're The

1311
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 1: wells held. The sea clamp didn't go at point the

1312
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: sea clamp inexplicably broken half. I never see, like I

1313
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 1: thought it, well, it must have come loose, and they're like,

1314
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: I don't know it broke. They got too hot. Yeah,

1315
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: I've never seen it got too hot from the heat

1316
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: of the sun and it burst the metal. But listen, man,

1317
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 1: a sense of time. Understand everyone's sensitive, but everything the

1318
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: wells they might hold great. I'm not saying I could

1319
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: do better. The wells are shitty. I'm not going to disagree.

1320
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: But they held. And it just struck me as funny

1321
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,759
Speaker 1: absolutely to be up there, swaying back and forth looking

1322
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: at that weld. Yeah, for a lot of hours, and

1323
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: that's yeah. You know, well, it's the type of thing

1324
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 1: where you know, the first time you you make it,

1325
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: you've learned what you can add to it to make

1326
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: it that much more comfortable, and it's just unfortunate that

1327
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:17,759
Speaker 1: we haven't had the time to make it. He found

1328
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: he found a former ski lift bench. Yeah, and it

1329
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: and it fixed it to the top of a contractor rack. Yeah,

1330
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: it's perfectly you know, when it gets the job done.

1331
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 1: The idea is when you're trying to get to point

1332
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: A to point B, you know, get on those high spots,

1333
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: use the extra you know, six six ft on top

1334
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: of that rack to just spend some time glass the breeze.

1335
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 1: Two does you know you get you get the driver

1336
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: to cruise at that fift blowing through your hair. Yet

1337
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: you're just comfortably miserable. But you know, it's it's been

1338
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 1: something that has has helped us tremendously and covering ground

1339
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 1: and being able to turn up worcs. And but like

1340
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 1: you guys said, point being what I was good at

1341
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: about the spar I rack and when we abound other

1342
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 1: hunt methods, but when we were tracking in orcs, we

1343
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 1: never got like terribly far away from the zig zagging around.

1344
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: We got from the one we got one point five

1345
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 1: miles from the where the truck was. You're you're up

1346
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: there in your glassing and you're like, oh, there's nothing here. Yeah,

1347
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: I've looked none here. Let's move And then you get

1348
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: down into that ship and the Safari rack on the

1349
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: truck is how high, it's probably about seven. You get

1350
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,640
Speaker 1: down into that ship, you're six ft tall. Yep, the

1351
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: Safari rack is probably yea, the Safari rac seven ft tall.

1352
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: And you realize that almost at no time can you

1353
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 1: look and see that thing right, And you're like, I think,

1354
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 1: Carl put it like you said, I think that when

1355
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: we're glassing this stuff, we're probably maybe we're seeing ten.

1356
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: We're having like if there's an ORCS there, we have

1357
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: like a one in ten of seeing it. And to

1358
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: bring that to highlight at we go to a spot

1359
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: you guys that hunt it before, and we're looking out

1360
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: on just solid, like you know, over eight degrees of no,

1361
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: hundred eighty degrees of like great stuff. We're kind of

1362
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: up by a stock tank. We got of just flat

1363
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: and we're nice and high, nice and high. It's so

1364
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: flat that I noticed that Jeremy. When Jeremy glasses, you

1365
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: don't even really mess around too much of binoculars. It's

1366
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 1: so flat. You can just take your spot and scope

1367
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: and you can basically get everything from hundred and fifty

1368
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 1: or two hundred yards out to infinity in one frame.

1369
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: So you can just take your spot and scope paste

1370
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 1: it out and just move it back and forth. And

1371
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: there's no like up down movement. You just got the

1372
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: whole damn scene as you swoop along. Uh, We're sitting there,

1373
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: all of us, glass and glass and glass, and and

1374
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden and ORCS is seven yards away,

1375
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: standing on a sand mound. No one saw it. It's

1376
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: right and front of us, so everything to the left,

1377
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: everything right. No one caught a glimpse of wherever the

1378
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 1: hell it came from. It popped up in the frame

1379
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: of my binoculars. As I'm looking in my binoculars seeing

1380
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:18,560
Speaker 1: no Orex, all of a sudden in Oris just emerges

1381
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: from below, full body up on this knob, looking at

1382
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 1: us in order to stare at us seven yards is

1383
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: already like very aware of us. Yeah, I have a

1384
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: theory that that ORACX was closer, way closer, minutes before

1385
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,759
Speaker 1: that or seconds before that, Like it was cruising along

1386
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: towards where we were, where we were heard of us,

1387
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,719
Speaker 1: whatever heard us, saw us, bolted and then was doing

1388
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 1: that like what the heck is going on back there

1389
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: from seven yards away. And that's when I saw it,

1390
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: because that for it to pick us up, like we

1391
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 1: went back down and it seemed track. It just didn't

1392
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 1: make sense. So that's my theory on that one. So

1393
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: we went out, Well, I was just gonna say, and ORCX.

1394
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 1: You know, if if you imagine the way that we're looking,

1395
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 1: I mean, the ORCS is at twelve o'clock, you know,

1396
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: like you know, it's not like off to the side.

1397
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:07,560
Speaker 1: It quickly the way that everybody is faced unless it

1398
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: had been waiting there. Lets it have been waiting there

1399
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: all day. It somehow passed, traveled through some amount of

1400
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 1: stuff in front of us, emerged, became visible, then gallops off.

1401
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: No one catches a glimpse of it leaving. We go

1402
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: out and strike its track and follow its track. And

1403
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: what does it do? It doesn't look like from the

1404
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 1: where we found from where we picked up the track,

1405
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: it looks like it trotted in a bee line and

1406
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: crossed into the missile range. It was like it had

1407
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,759
Speaker 1: a particular spot in mind, and we got to that place.

1408
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 1: It was a spot where you know that bottom strand

1409
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: of that barbedware fence on the edge of the missile range.

1410
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 1: Ordinarily it's probably like shin Hai, and at that spot

1411
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: it was like mid thigh high, and that oracs like

1412
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 1: without breaking stride, just a duct right under at that

1413
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: spot as we were like fouling the track, and I

1414
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: could see the missile range boundary coming up. I'm thinking

1415
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 1: that We're all thinking like it'll hit the fence, but

1416
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: then it will obviously have to travel, and I'm trying

1417
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 1: to figure out, like, is he gonna cut left or

1418
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 1: right and maybe we'll catch it going down the fence

1419
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: line somewhere, trying to find work across. But it had

1420
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 1: already knewhere I was gonna cross and hit the fence

1421
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: at a crossing and book back to safety. And it did.

1422
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: And then I was like, these sons of bitches, like

1423
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: hard it did all that with any without any of

1424
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:35,679
Speaker 1: us seeing it cover like what four hundred yards while

1425
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 1: you think you're sitting there glassing the area I meanwhile

1426
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: you're glassing is so well in fact, that one can

1427
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 1: run through four yards of the stuff in front of

1428
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: you and no one lays Anne right, it disappeared off

1429
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 1: the sand mound. Jeremy picked it up one place to

1430
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: the left, so we knew it was going you know

1431
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: that direction, and then nobody ever saw it again in

1432
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: the five of them, I mean and we're looking in

1433
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: the range, t right. We expected that animal to make

1434
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: its way in there and do the old fashioned look back,

1435
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, And an hour later, we're still looking for that.

1436
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm all on range and never found it. Did Jeremy

1437
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 1: and I continued to spot from where we had originally

1438
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: seen the animal, you know, while you guys tried to

1439
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 1: put a track job on it. And nobody, neither of

1440
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 1: us ever put eyes on that. And that's the thing

1441
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: I've speculated on a couple of times. I wondered about

1442
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 1: the relationship to the fence in two ways. I wondered

1443
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: about the relation to the fence is how onerous do

1444
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: they view? Like? How annoying is it to cross? Because

1445
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: if you're hunting pronghorn, you'll often find that a spook

1446
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: pronghorn will get really confused at a you know, like

1447
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 1: a four or five strand fence if they hit, if

1448
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 1: they're out of their normal routine and they get bumped

1449
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: or spooked some hunt way, they don't want to be

1450
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: spooked and they hit a fence, they'll be like, because

1451
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: they don't, let's just say they don't. They will, Okay,

1452
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 1: for all you people that are gonna send in videos,

1453
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 1: of the prong horm. Wile jump a fence, they'll jump fence.

1454
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: Do they like to do? They do it norminally generally

1455
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: want to go under fences. But they are capable, yes,

1456
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 1: of jumping fences. But I've watched them hit fences and

1457
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: then run for a mile down the fence, almost like

1458
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: second guests themselves, and start coming back and running down.

1459
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 1: It's always like when you when a deer's going across

1460
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 1: the road and hit your car, that they'll just start

1461
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 1: paralleling your car now and then, and it seems so illogical.

1462
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 1: I see him do crazy ship up against fences, like

1463
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 1: very disoriented. So I was like, what is the orcs

1464
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 1: relationship to the fence in that way, and what is

1465
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 1: its relationship to knowing that the safety of the other

1466
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: side of the fence. And I think that, uh, they're

1467
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: not terribly annoyed by getting across the fence because they

1468
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: have spatial awareness where they know like the crossing. And

1469
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: I and my just little pet theory, which is like

1470
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:03,480
Speaker 1: completely like an amateur theory, is that they are um,

1471
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: they're aware of that there that they get screwed with

1472
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: less over there, which are the other kind of big

1473
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: animal animal definitely figures that kind of stuff out. Yeah,

1474
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt about that. I think

1475
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 1: they understand, you know, that they're safer on the range

1476
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 1: side of the fence. I've seen those animals cross in

1477
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: front of us at a fence line, and they will

1478
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: cross under a fence almost about the same speed that

1479
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 1: they're approaching that fence, if they're in about a gallop.

1480
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: I've seen those that It's amazing how fast in order

1481
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 1: its can dip down to the ground. You know, we

1482
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: think about ourselves trying to crawl under the bottom strand

1483
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 1: of the barbed wire, you know, and you're on your

1484
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: knees and you're you know, things are hurt. And I've

1485
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 1: seen those animals just dip and they're under that fence

1486
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: and they're maintaining the same momentum out of there, so

1487
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 1: they they're pretty athletic. I'll share with you a fence

1488
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,719
Speaker 1: story that I've shared before, but it's worth it's worth

1489
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,679
Speaker 1: telling it again. Uh, we knew this guy in Florida.

1490
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 1: We're down there turkey hunting in Florida one time and

1491
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 1: we ran into these guys that like to run pigs

1492
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 1: with dogs and they're like, oh, you guys should come

1493
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,719
Speaker 1: out with a snipe and um. This guy's family's cattle ranch,

1494
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: a butts of nature preserve, um, and the between stuth

1495
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 1: that's been traditionally grazed, the difference between like what's been

1496
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 1: traditionally grays, which is all these hammocks. So it's like

1497
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: just grasslands with these palm hammocks in it, very open um,

1498
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 1: grays very low. It's just been you know, grace for

1499
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 1: whatever a couple hundred years. I don't know. The bird

1500
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 1: preserve is a comparatively a jungle, so it's amazing to

1501
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: see this juxtaposition between something that hasn't been grayed and

1502
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: however many decades and something that traditionally is like a

1503
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: very different landscape. So on the border between the cattle

1504
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: ranch and the preserve is a fence. The cattle ranch

1505
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 1: has a problem with hogs digging it up too bad,

1506
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 1: so he put a hogproof fence. Someone had put historic

1507
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 1: it's going to put a hogproof fence, but there are

1508
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 1: other people argue whether there really is no hogproof fence,

1509
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: but it's like kind of a hogproof fence, though they're

1510
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: always finding ways to get in and around it. What

1511
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,879
Speaker 1: this guy would do because this guy liked to hunt pigs.

1512
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: He put little doorways into the hogproof fence. This is

1513
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 1: the rancher's kid. He puts doorways into the hogproof fence

1514
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: in order that the hogs can come onto the ranch

1515
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: and let he lets him get used to the holes.

1516
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: So when we go out to hunt hogs, the first

1517
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: thing he does is, well, let me go close all

1518
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:50,799
Speaker 1: the doors. He then drives down this big gass long fence,

1519
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 1: closing all the doors. Once it's about midnight, then we

1520
01:25:56,439 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: started hunting. And guess where the dogs catch the x

1521
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: at the doors? At the doors. So yeah, there's a

1522
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 1: little hunting method. There's a research preserve. I used to

1523
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 1: live on um in southeast Michigan when I was an

1524
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: undergraduate at the University of Michigan, and there was a

1525
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 1: deer herd on the property. It's a famous deer heard

1526
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 1: The George Reserve is the name of this place. And

1527
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 1: the fence had fallen into tremendous disrepair and um I

1528
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 1: worked one summer helping to repair that fence line. And

1529
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 1: there were some places where white tailed deer trails were

1530
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: coming on and off the reserve. And one day, in

1531
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 1: the middle of the day, I just closed up a

1532
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: portion of that fence, and there's a mountain bike trail

1533
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: that goes along the outside of the reserve, and a

1534
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 1: mountain biker had spooked a white tail dough And so

1535
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm standing there along the fence, just mending mending a

1536
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: portion of the fence, and twenty yards to my left

1537
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: is the spot I just fixed. And this dough comes

1538
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 1: tearing through the woods and smashes into that spot in

1539
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: the fence, backs up, smashes into it again, and then

1540
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 1: stands there looking at the spot, and then races off

1541
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: the other way down along the fence line. So they

1542
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: get keyed into those crossing points. That's interesting, man, She's

1543
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: like this normally works. I mean, she hit it hard,

1544
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: Like I'm standing there at the fence, and you know,

1545
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: if you imagine like an outfielder going for a home

1546
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 1: run and crash into the fence, that's what it sounded like,

1547
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: that big ching of the you know, the chain link.

1548
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: And then and then backed up and did the same

1549
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 1: thing again, like I know this is the spot without

1550
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 1: a shred of doubt in her mind. I don't know

1551
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 1: why mountain biker comes by. Yeah, I was like, what's

1552
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 1: she running? From, you know, and then there's this ten

1553
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: seconds away and here comes a dude on the mountain.

1554
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 1: But I don't know why I'm thinking this right now,

1555
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 1: but I want to get back to what we're talking about.

1556
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: But I got a buddy who's a surveyor, and he

1557
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 1: was surveying in Michigan's Apa Peninsula. And you put up

1558
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: those little contraptions that you look at each other, the

1559
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 1: two surveyors. He said that it's all it's in the wintertime,

1560
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 1: and the all dear starving and ship in the wintertime.

1561
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: Him and they got to go through a sight line

1562
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 1: through the hemlocks, and he's bit like, well, they call

1563
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: like cedar swamps up there, right, there's the hemlocker cedar

1564
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 1: up there. I've heard. I think it's cedar swamps. So

1565
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,720
Speaker 1: they cut the sight line and then he gets on

1566
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 1: his little thing and the other guys on his little thing,

1567
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: and he said, they having the chainsaw running while they

1568
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 1: cut the sight line. Deer just showing up. They hear

1569
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: the chainsaw and come running. So he said, you get

1570
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 1: set up to do your work. And he had to

1571
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:29,719
Speaker 1: hustle becauseaid all of a sudden, all the deer would

1572
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 1: be filling in eating all the junk they knocked down,

1573
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: and someone had to run along trying to scare the deer,

1574
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: heard the deer out of the way enough to then

1575
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 1: go back and try to do your survey work. Anyways, works.

1576
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 1: I'd knock cedar limbs down to catch deer is like

1577
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 1: a bait source when I was darting deer from my

1578
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: grad project winter. Yeah, you could just you could just

1579
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: trim a couple of low limbs that were just out

1580
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 1: of reach of the brows line, and it was just

1581
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 1: as good as having any other kind of bait out

1582
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 1: there for bringing him into dart range and then try

1583
01:28:55,280 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 1: and quil huh uh the one we got, the one

1584
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 1: we got, the works we got. It was very similar

1585
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:07,879
Speaker 1: to hunt. It was like very similar to an antalope

1586
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 1: hunt situation, at least for me. I would agree in

1587
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 1: general terms other than the vegetation, but in terms of

1588
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 1: there's some generally drifting like like a caribou antelope kind

1589
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 1: of set up. I feel like like there's some pretty

1590
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: far away ye generally drifting in some direction on a

1591
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: somewhat identifiable land along a somewhat identifiable vegetation zone. Um,

1592
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 1: and you strike off at an angle and try to

1593
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:48,719
Speaker 1: get to where you think they will arrive, but again

1594
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 1: far off. It was like, oh, there's some WORCS moving

1595
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 1: along and there he is, and there he is, there

1596
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 1: he isn't there he is? And then you get down

1597
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 1: in the ship and it's like I have no idea

1598
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: what is going on and we're using this far off

1599
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 1: power line like who you spot it again? Like damn?

1600
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean it was a real group effort

1601
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 1: though to keep up with that. Well was the first

1602
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: one that picked it off. Yeah, right and way off,

1603
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 1: and it was a real obvy. I mean, this one

1604
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 1: was like an easy one. It just sort of like

1605
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 1: Carl's where it was like you know, scanning something you

1606
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: scanned ten times and like standing right, like no question

1607
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 1: like that right, there's an ORCS broad side and way

1608
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: the hell off as a power line, and you're able

1609
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 1: to be like there's a trailer you could see like

1610
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 1: count eight power polls. And so when we struck off,

1611
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: we just went at an angle and at the point

1612
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:42,640
Speaker 1: got lucky because we're sort of getting like, you know,

1613
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: one where they are, and then we eventually catch a

1614
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 1: glimpse of one and we had it being like let's

1615
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 1: say we're facing some way, um, and we had to

1616
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 1: be that they were gonna be appearing at one o'clock

1617
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 1: if we're lucky. And we're recognizing at this point that

1618
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 1: like everything's very far away, you can't see ship, like

1619
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: not thumbing your gotten knife to check if it's sharp.

1620
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 1: You know, you're like, who knows. But we had a

1621
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:11,679
Speaker 1: little cow like an analop hunting blind cole blind looks

1622
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 1: like a cow set up, and our line was off

1623
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 1: or they changed course, and all of a sudden, Carl's

1624
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 1: got one at what distance I would say at that

1625
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: point it was probably like one fifty pick us picking

1626
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 1: us off at one, Yeah, and most you know, our

1627
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 1: attention had been focused. If you imagine looking at like

1628
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 1: twelve o'clock is where we're thinking we might see these orcs.

1629
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 1: I was trying to make it a point to do

1630
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: like a three sixty every few minutes, because we're also

1631
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of fives try and they're probably the

1632
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,639
Speaker 1: most tracks we've seen. And I was thinking, like, we've

1633
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 1: got these this group that we've seen of three or four,

1634
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 1: and who knows what else is in here. So I

1635
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: was trying to keep heads up with what's going on. Around. Yeah.

1636
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 1: You had even said, like, we're just gonna all of

1637
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 1: a sudden have one staring at us. Yeah, when we're

1638
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: sneaking in there, and and what caught my attention, So again,

1639
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:57,639
Speaker 1: if you're thinking twelve o'clock, I happen to be looking

1640
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 1: towards like let's say, four thirty off over my right

1641
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: shoulder and spotted that sword like horn immediately dropped down

1642
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 1: without any question in my mind about whether or not

1643
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: that was an oryx, and I whispered to each guy

1644
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 1: individually and like, do not move, because that thing was

1645
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 1: dialed dialed in, and it went from what I saw

1646
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 1: was the like the parallel of one horn, and it

1647
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 1: turned and gave me the two horns. So I saw,

1648
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 1: you know, the the fact that the skull staring at

1649
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:30,600
Speaker 1: is facing at us, and I never I could not

1650
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 1: see the face at that point. I could just see

1651
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: these two They kind of remind me like antennae off

1652
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 1: an insect um, And I could just see the tips

1653
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 1: of those two sword like horns and could not see

1654
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 1: the face of the animal. And I'm just kind of

1655
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 1: like peeking up. So I tell you guys, like, you know,

1656
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 1: don't move. I've got Steve on my left with the

1657
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 1: rifle that seth on my right. We're all kind of

1658
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:56,600
Speaker 1: packed in behind this decoy, and I start trying to

1659
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 1: get the shooting sticks set up. I've been carrying around

1660
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: a set of shooting stick because that's one lesson we've

1661
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 1: learned the hard way, you know, about trying to get

1662
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 1: steady from a standing position. You're always trying to work

1663
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 1: through all that vegetation. So my chief responsibility this trip

1664
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,600
Speaker 1: has been chasing Steve around with the shooting sticks so

1665
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 1: they're at the ready. So I get the shooting sticks

1666
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 1: set up at a good height for Steve to be

1667
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: like in a kneeling position. He sneaks around behind me,

1668
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 1: peeks up over the top, and as we rise up,

1669
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking there's probably like a chance that

1670
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: the ORACX is still there because there's been quite a

1671
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 1: bit of commotion. And he's like, Hey, that Cole's got

1672
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 1: a gun. Yeah, that Cole's got a gun stick out

1673
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:41,679
Speaker 1: of its back. So so yeah, um, you know, I'm

1674
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I know, like exactly where this thing is.

1675
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:47,800
Speaker 1: I don't initially relocate it, but within a couple of

1676
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 1: ticks there are two racs trotting from left to right.

1677
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:56,720
Speaker 1: And at that point, in order to gain like a

1678
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 1: good shooting lane, we abandoned the decoy. We get up

1679
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 1: on our feet and we shifted to the right. What

1680
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:08,680
Speaker 1: do you think like fifteen yards maybe, and we get

1681
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 1: this nice gap where the orcs are now stopped doing

1682
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:16,640
Speaker 1: the ox. Look. But he did what he shouldn't have done. Yes,

1683
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 1: he did did what he should not have done. Stop

1684
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 1: the two hundred thirty yards and stared. Yea. The problem was,

1685
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,640
Speaker 1: though the shooting sticks were set for the kneeling. The

1686
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 1: kneeling shot at that point, so we drop a couple

1687
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 1: of the legs that still wasn't quite stable enough. We

1688
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: got the third leg out, got him ranged. Steve took

1689
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 1: his time blouch And the thing was the thing that

1690
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 1: was interesting about that is and I'm a ears plugged

1691
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 1: trying to do a good job of protecting my head. Yeah,

1692
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 1: you're asking me for a range of my ears. What's

1693
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 1: the range? What's the range? Well, let me ask you this,

1694
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 1: what turning back Carl's guy's ears like extra plugged? What?

1695
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, what range? Are you zeroed on? That? Rifall?

1696
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how big they are? Zero? Okay? I'm

1697
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 1: looking at that thing like, there's no question you don't

1698
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 1: need to worry about race because the circums. Me being

1699
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 1: a novice and not having sort of like a very

1700
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 1: fixed mental image of how big they are and hearing

1701
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 1: all these stories of how big they are, I was like,

1702
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 1: if you had said three fifty, I wouldn't have been shocked.

1703
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 1: That's good to know. And it's a very disorienting landscape.

1704
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 1: It's it's like flat ass desert with brush in it

1705
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 1: because an annually don't know how big it is. You

1706
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:43,600
Speaker 1: can see it from like the brisk it up, and

1707
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 1: I just was you could have said three ye. Well,

1708
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 1: so my thought process in that situation, like in that instant,

1709
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, don't you you're not worrying about

1710
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 1: adjusting anything like that that animal in terms of where

1711
01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 1: your point of aim would be if you're zero to

1712
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 1: two ish, that animal somewhere right in that ballpark. So

1713
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm just I would only be a minute. I would

1714
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: be a minute low, and may yeah, in hindsight maybe,

1715
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: but that was the thing I wanted to know. And

1716
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:14,640
Speaker 1: so I noticed your your lips moving and I've got

1717
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 1: my ears like plugged with my fingertips and I unplugged

1718
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 1: my ears. You're saying range, You're like perfect, and don't

1719
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 1: you know you imagine, don't adjust anything aimed that on.

1720
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,520
Speaker 1: So I've got my ears like plug plugged, like fingertips

1721
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 1: over those little ear flappers pushed way down in there.

1722
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 1: And when you pulled that trigger, the sound of the

1723
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 1: impact was what stands out in my mind. It was

1724
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 1: such a distinctive whop. And and I wasn't exactly sure

1725
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,639
Speaker 1: which of the two you might shoot at. The one

1726
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: that you shot was the one I expected, but I

1727
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 1: thought you might shoot it either one potentially, and they

1728
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 1: were close enough together that I saw one of them

1729
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 1: run away, So I wasn't certain, like which, you know,

1730
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: what exactly had happened at that moment, but I definitely

1731
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,720
Speaker 1: heard a very distinctive whop o. Our buds who were

1732
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 1: back on the glass heard that. To you. I liked

1733
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 1: the whop, yeah, And I liked that only one ran

1734
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: away and there was a there was a big cloud

1735
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: of dust to like, instantly there was this pluma dust.

1736
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw that, but big brown

1737
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:23,439
Speaker 1: pluma dust. And you know, we you were in the

1738
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 1: right mind space at that point because you're like we

1739
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 1: need to get to where I can be ready for

1740
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 1: a follow up shot. And I was sitting there with

1741
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 1: a good line where there were a couple of sort

1742
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 1: of like semidistinctive bushes lined up where I felt like

1743
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 1: we could we could keep a good line to get

1744
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 1: in on that thing. But we kind of split up

1745
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 1: a little bit, worked our way into the area where

1746
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 1: we where we thought that orcs might be, and you

1747
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 1: very quickly identified the location and that animal had not

1748
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 1: taken a single step from the down going right down.

1749
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 1: We did shoot him in the neck, yes, because it

1750
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 1: was hard to tell. We were very uh yeah, I'm

1751
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:02,640
Speaker 1: a little I'm little trigger shy. Well I think is

1752
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 1: that the right word liberal? With the follow up shot,

1753
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 1: I mean the stories you hear like you we heard

1754
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 1: another one that day, Yeah, we did, and that's heart

1755
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:14,720
Speaker 1: to another hunter. He wasn't hunt right now, but he

1756
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 1: hadn't hunted orcs in the past, and told another story. Yeah,

1757
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 1: you want me to recount that. The guy was talking

1758
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 1: about being out with his his so called friend and

1759
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 1: knocking an oorcs down. There's stop being friends over. I

1760
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:32,200
Speaker 1: don't blame the guy, man um, And I'm sort of

1761
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:34,760
Speaker 1: haunted by the situation with my buddy too, and I

1762
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:36,680
Speaker 1: can I'll tell that very quickly as well. But the

1763
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 1: situation the guy told us was he shoots an OORX,

1764
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 1: the orix is on the ground. They walk in and

1765
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 1: they're trying to determine whether or not a follow up

1766
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 1: follow up shot is necessary, and his friend unexpectedly decides

1767
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:50,880
Speaker 1: the best course of action is to throw a stick

1768
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 1: at the downed ox. No, the guy wanted to shoot it. Yeah,

1769
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 1: he's he's like, maybe we should take a following and

1770
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,560
Speaker 1: he said, no, don't, let's not shot it's dead. And

1771
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 1: instead he chucks a stick at the down ORIX, at

1772
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 1: which point the OORCX jumps to its feet and runs

1773
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 1: to the horizon again. And just real quick while around

1774
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 1: the topic, I've got one of my dearest hunting buddies,

1775
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 1: um guy named Ryan, who we were out on his

1776
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 1: off range orics hunt and we worked hard, we suffered together,

1777
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 1: we earned a shot opportunity where he hit an orax

1778
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,240
Speaker 1: knocked it off its feet, and we were both so

1779
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 1: elated and so rookie in our rax experience that we're

1780
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 1: standing there, you know, just like giddy, looking at each

1781
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 1: other like yeah, yeah, and the orax is laying there

1782
01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 1: and the next thing, you know, the thing kicks its

1783
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:41,519
Speaker 1: feet back under itself and just gallops to the horizon.

1784
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 1: And when we can never to be seen again, we

1785
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:45,679
Speaker 1: went down there, found a couple little spots of blood

1786
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 1: and that oracs. I mean, we followed it, Like you said,

1787
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 1: the tracking conditions, you can basically walk at a fast walk,

1788
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 1: and we followed it for miles up and over hill

1789
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 1: after hill, and it never even slowed down. So there, Yeah,

1790
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:03,160
Speaker 1: the idea of being liberal with follow up shots makes sense.

1791
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 1: And when I got around to where I could see

1792
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 1: what what was the exit point of your shot, it

1793
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 1: was up at the base of the neck, So you'd

1794
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:13,920
Speaker 1: made it. You'd made a solid shot on that oorcs.

1795
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: And I do not believe that ORCS would have gone anywhere.

1796
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 1: But when I saw the hole at the base of

1797
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,439
Speaker 1: its neck, and the fact that you know, the oracs

1798
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 1: was still breathing a little bit, you could have could

1799
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 1: have been stunned from the load of the process. When

1800
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 1: I saw that hole on the neck, I just said,

1801
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:30,640
Speaker 1: shoot it again. And we went back and forth, I

1802
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,760
Speaker 1: think three different times. We're like, really, like, shoot it again,

1803
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 1: just just be safe. And that's that follow up shot

1804
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:39,519
Speaker 1: you took it didn't do a ton of meat extra

1805
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 1: meat damage. Yeah, and so I feel like a shot

1806
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 1: in the neck. Then for a minute was scared that

1807
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:49,080
Speaker 1: I just blew the horn off, Carlton. It doesn't matter.

1808
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:51,840
Speaker 1: I did say that, and I stand and I stand

1809
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 1: by that because also was like one of those horns. Yeah,

1810
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:56,720
Speaker 1: that was one of That was one of the most

1811
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 1: sickening experiences with with my buddy Ryan. And I take

1812
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:01,880
Speaker 1: responsibility for that because I should have just said, like,

1813
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, the same thing I said you was chamber

1814
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:07,599
Speaker 1: around and just keep your cross hairs on that thing,

1815
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 1: and if there is any question in your mind about

1816
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:12,519
Speaker 1: whether it may or may not get up, like if

1817
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 1: it blinks wrong, take a fill up shot. We spoke

1818
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 1: to a guide who expressed to us that the glory

1819
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 1: days of off range or funning in New Mexico are waning.

1820
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 1: That is getting harder. You don't have the big ones

1821
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 1: around anymore, and it is like they're with they're I mean,

1822
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 1: you gotta think it is it fair to say that

1823
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 1: they're kind of whittling away at them. I mean, you

1824
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 1: just read the numbers. There's a thousand fewer and when

1825
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 1: we're only talk about four or five thousand thousands a lot.

1826
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 1: But we're still over the objective, right. I'm not saying

1827
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:59,439
Speaker 1: we're not objective. I'm saying that the good old days

1828
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 1: are waning. I mean, I, for one, I can't speak

1829
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 1: to the good old days because I I wasn't fortunate

1830
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:09,240
Speaker 1: enough to hunt at those times. But the hunts that

1831
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 1: I've been fortunate to be on, you know, we've we've

1832
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 1: turned up ricks and I can't tell you it's a

1833
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 1: lot of rics, it's a little orics. I don't know

1834
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 1: how to you know, quantify that to past experiences in

1835
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 1: the nineties. But I think, you know, um, the direction

1836
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 1: of of you know, the way the population is being managed.

1837
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 1: They wanted to be at a lower target rate. Um.

1838
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,760
Speaker 1: But I think the hunting is good still. You know,

1839
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 1: I would find it hard to believe that it's dwindling

1840
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 1: down to the expectations that we might have gotten from

1841
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:48,719
Speaker 1: the individual. Yeah. Well, let's say you had two billion

1842
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:51,759
Speaker 1: dollars and then all of a sudden you had one billion,

1843
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 1: and I observed, man, you have less money. You would

1844
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:00,680
Speaker 1: then be like, but a billion is a lot, Like, yes,

1845
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 1: but you have less. That's all I'm getting at I'm

1846
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:07,600
Speaker 1: not saying it's bad. I'm just saying he seemed to

1847
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:09,320
Speaker 1: think that he used to be like why am bam?

1848
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 1: Maybe that's not even true. There is like a real

1849
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 1: good old days problem that hunters, and I think, you know,

1850
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:22,679
Speaker 1: it might have been as simple as like everyone remembers. Okay,

1851
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:25,160
Speaker 1: just me now, I'm thinking back to the last Turkey season.

1852
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 1: In my mind, all I did was called back and

1853
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 1: forth at hot gobblers. How much does that happen a

1854
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 1: couple of times? But in my head, it's like, dude, right,

1855
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, you forget about all that, like the days

1856
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 1: nothing happens and you might as like turkey on, Oh yeah,

1857
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 1: it's great man working, hot working, you know, so whatever, Uh,

1858
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 1: it might just be his you know, And he wouldn't

1859
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 1: be the first guy to tell you that things used

1860
01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 1: to be good. Yeah, I mean, and you know, he

1861
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time hunting in those good old days,

1862
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:57,479
Speaker 1: and I'm sure a lot of has changed since then

1863
01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 1: as far as tag allocation and pressure and those types

1864
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 1: of things that could be you know, there could be

1865
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 1: many more contributing factors to you know, maybe that that

1866
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 1: dwindling down of the of the experience and I've I've

1867
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 1: never looked at those data, but you know, we do

1868
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:18,960
Speaker 1: post harvest success data that includes because so like you'll

1869
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 1: have to report on this harvest and you know, identify

1870
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 1: the sex of the animal that you killed. I don't

1871
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:27,680
Speaker 1: think they'll ask you anything about the horns, although I

1872
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:30,960
Speaker 1: can't recall, but they will ask you how many days

1873
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:33,840
Speaker 1: did you hunt, so you could I mean from a

1874
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 1: quality of I'm not talking about necessarily from the number

1875
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 1: of animals and the population standpoint, but if that's a

1876
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:44,680
Speaker 1: corollary to the quality of the hunting, I mean, you know,

1877
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:47,360
Speaker 1: the good old days, you could look at those data

1878
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 1: and ask how many you know, what percentage of people

1879
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 1: are being successful, and how long is it taking them

1880
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 1: to be successful. So that information exists so you can

1881
01:44:58,240 --> 01:45:03,040
Speaker 1: find us all out and the range on range hunts, uh,

1882
01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:06,599
Speaker 1: they do record the length of the horns on the animals,

1883
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 1: so you can see if there was a Yeah, you

1884
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 1: can see if there was a drift there, right, So

1885
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it wouldn't tell you anything about off

1886
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:19,880
Speaker 1: range although I think I think the animals that you

1887
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:24,599
Speaker 1: see on an off range hunt, many of them also

1888
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:27,639
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on the range. I don't

1889
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:31,479
Speaker 1: think they have I don't know what they're each other

1890
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:33,160
Speaker 1: up and do. Okay, you guys are off range, we're

1891
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:35,479
Speaker 1: around range. I don't get a sense that there's like

1892
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:39,760
Speaker 1: a really high level of you know, fidelity to a

1893
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:42,599
Speaker 1: particular area. It's just like or show up in one

1894
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 1: place and if they don't get bumped, they hang out

1895
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:47,120
Speaker 1: around there for a while. Yeah, when then they might

1896
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:49,479
Speaker 1: just all take off walking and go, you know, ten

1897
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:52,200
Speaker 1: miles back onto the range or wherever. Yeah, I'm not

1898
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:54,879
Speaker 1: like bad mouth and experience. I mean, we had interact

1899
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:56,720
Speaker 1: except for the day we got here and only went

1900
01:45:56,760 --> 01:46:03,680
Speaker 1: out in the afternoon, we had interactions and like opportunities. Yeah,

1901
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:05,760
Speaker 1: and I we even had an opportunity to day we

1902
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:09,479
Speaker 1: got here right at dark that we ran out of daylight.

1903
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 1: We found one. It was like you could have walked

1904
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 1: there anyways. Multiple opportunities after that too. So like not

1905
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:18,720
Speaker 1: bad mouth in it. I'm just I'm just sharing a

1906
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:20,720
Speaker 1: thing that a guy said, and take it for what

1907
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:22,760
Speaker 1: it take it for what it's working. I was trying

1908
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:25,400
Speaker 1: to sort of offer the approach that if some you know,

1909
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:28,280
Speaker 1: that if if we were really interested in that question,

1910
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:34,000
Speaker 1: you could find the information is publicly available, so we

1911
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:38,640
Speaker 1: had opportunities every day. Got one the morning of our

1912
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:43,080
Speaker 1: fourth day. You could say, basically, this is gonna sound

1913
01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 1: like you're giving away something and to something you can find,

1914
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 1: Like the most basic Internet search would reveal to you

1915
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 1: that you want to hunt within I don't know, ten

1916
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:57,479
Speaker 1: twelve miles of the missile range across the northern and

1917
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,679
Speaker 1: western sides. And if you think I'm narrowing it down,

1918
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm talking one hundred and eighty linear miles of a

1919
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 1: ten mile wide stretch of ground. So yeah, plenty of

1920
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 1: place on Yeah, in the east side too, I mean

1921
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 1: right seven when there's some story somebody reached out through

1922
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:20,200
Speaker 1: some guy sent me a screenshot of an on of

1923
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:22,479
Speaker 1: on X. I not had to like go on on

1924
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:24,000
Speaker 1: X and kind of figure out where it was, but

1925
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:27,720
Speaker 1: it was on the east side. He said, look here

1926
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:31,600
Speaker 1: if you're struggling to yeah, okay, so maybe there is

1927
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:42,439
Speaker 1: one thirty two sixty nine linear miles of a ten

1928
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:46,680
Speaker 1: mile wide strip. That's my hot tip by looking at

1929
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 1: on X. So it seems that that east side there's

1930
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 1: not as much ground the hunt well, it seems to

1931
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:54,640
Speaker 1: be a little bit more checkerboarded um, but you know,

1932
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:57,640
Speaker 1: they've they've seen him, you know, really far north to

1933
01:47:57,800 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 1: they've seen him you know south as well, So that

1934
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:02,680
Speaker 1: three sixty degrees around there. I think that's a that's

1935
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:06,080
Speaker 1: really good. My hot tip would be like five to

1936
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:09,880
Speaker 1: seven miles around the entire perimeter of the missile range,

1937
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:13,760
Speaker 1: the potential bump into them and there is an enormous

1938
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 1: amount of BLM lamb. Yeah, there is no need millions

1939
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:22,840
Speaker 1: of acres. There is no need to feel like, you know,

1940
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 1: you don't have spots, I mean state BLM planning of space.

1941
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:34,240
Speaker 1: That's right. Another hot tip is they're pretty serious about

1942
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 1: that missile range boundary. So having having on X you know,

1943
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:42,920
Speaker 1: or or some other mapping app to, so you're confident

1944
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 1: where it is. It's it's pretty well marked. But yeah,

1945
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:47,519
Speaker 1: that's so bad that I leaned on it one time.

1946
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 1: I leaned on it and and quickly withdrew my fingers,

1947
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:54,120
Speaker 1: realizing that that my fingers had wrapped around the barbed

1948
01:48:54,120 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 1: wire into it. Probably felt they're probably reading my right

1949
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:02,680
Speaker 1: now with some kind of contraption. But and of course

1950
01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 1: there are some private in holdings around, some ranch in holdings,

1951
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, and amongst a lot of BLM and state lands,

1952
01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:12,000
Speaker 1: and you got to be careful about as well. I

1953
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:13,640
Speaker 1: think one of the biggest tips I can give to

1954
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:15,679
Speaker 1: folks that may be lucky enough to draw that tag

1955
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:19,839
Speaker 1: is not only do you get a four wheel drive vehicle,

1956
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, I mean from get a tune up. You know,

1957
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:26,800
Speaker 1: from a map it looks like you can get from

1958
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:29,559
Speaker 1: point A to point B very easily, But once you're

1959
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 1: there on the landscape, you'll quickly understand that, you know,

1960
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:34,679
Speaker 1: time really erodes those roads in a in a quick

1961
01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:38,680
Speaker 1: thunderstorm can really have a lasting impact. Flash flooding is

1962
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,439
Speaker 1: serious issues, absolutely, especially this time you're in June. You

1963
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:43,840
Speaker 1: got monsoons and they just like make the rivers turn

1964
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:47,960
Speaker 1: into the roads turned into rivers. Right, These guys travel

1965
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:55,200
Speaker 1: with um lots of water, twenty extra twenty gallons of

1966
01:49:55,280 --> 01:50:01,400
Speaker 1: fuel and fuel cans, all your repair stuff, shovels and whatnot.

1967
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:05,280
Speaker 1: And then you do want to have like your your

1968
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:07,639
Speaker 1: camp gear and just keep your stuff in your truck

1969
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 1: so you can roll from Yeah, and I have an

1970
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:16,960
Speaker 1: extra spare tire, and he knowed that he's running ten

1971
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:28,000
Speaker 1: ply kevlar. Those those mesquite thorns. Well, well, your tiresias

1972
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:33,360
Speaker 1: and tread side, like good solid tires are are a

1973
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:37,240
Speaker 1: huge advantage. Yeah, my buddy who built that Safari rack.

1974
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:39,880
Speaker 1: One time we were hunting and he popped the tire,

1975
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:42,680
Speaker 1: put the spare tire on a couple hundred down. A

1976
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:44,640
Speaker 1: couple hundred yards down the road. He started hearing some

1977
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:47,040
Speaker 1: air and sure enough he popped that that same tire

1978
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:51,000
Speaker 1: that we just replaced, so multiple spars. We were out

1979
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 1: of tires and we had to make a trip back

1980
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:54,120
Speaker 1: into town to get those tire space. I also have

1981
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:56,640
Speaker 1: an air compressor and so like a little we've got

1982
01:50:56,720 --> 01:50:59,760
Speaker 1: two air compressor plug all of it. You gotta be

1983
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:02,160
Speaker 1: if you rig up like that, if you rig up,

1984
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:07,679
Speaker 1: we got a good BAA truck and rig up with fuel, water, food,

1985
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:11,360
Speaker 1: camp gear. I got one more for you. Okay. If

1986
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 1: we were to count up the number of full coolers

1987
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:17,040
Speaker 1: of ice that we've been here, that's how I just think, man,

1988
01:51:17,080 --> 01:51:19,320
Speaker 1: I forgot it's a hundred It's a hundred degrees in

1989
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:21,920
Speaker 1: the daytime. We probably have at least half a dozen

1990
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:24,360
Speaker 1: coolers with us. Some of them are giant that we

1991
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 1: had hundreds of pounds, Like we probably had three hundred

1992
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 1: pounds of ice. I had to fifty in my head. No,

1993
01:51:31,439 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think three. I forgot that detail because

1994
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:39,160
Speaker 1: you gotta picture putting, uh at the top end, you

1995
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 1: gotta picture of putting a four hundred fifty pound bowl

1996
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:45,519
Speaker 1: parted out, and if you want to keep the hide

1997
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:49,080
Speaker 1: or sweet that you need to be able to ice

1998
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:51,559
Speaker 1: that thing because you're a long way from any kind

1999
01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 1: of town and your long way from replenishing ice, and

2000
01:51:57,080 --> 01:52:01,000
Speaker 1: so you need massive amounts of ice and cool because

2001
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 1: it's a hundred degrees really right, it's it's I mean

2002
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:06,840
Speaker 1: over a lot of this hunt. It was over a

2003
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:08,599
Speaker 1: hundred degrees in the middle of the day. So if

2004
01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:12,439
Speaker 1: you shoot one at eleven o'clock, you gotta get that

2005
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:15,479
Speaker 1: thing cool down. Yeah, you're just not gonna be like

2006
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 1: if you got to carry it a mile or two

2007
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:20,960
Speaker 1: and then like get in your truck and then driving too,

2008
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:25,240
Speaker 1: you're screwed, right, Like the bull you killed, you know,

2009
01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 1: we uh, Jeremy and I again and hung back the

2010
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:31,640
Speaker 1: spot and you guys went in and killed him, and

2011
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:35,400
Speaker 1: then you know, normally it would have like you guys

2012
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:37,720
Speaker 1: took a couple of quick photos, I would imagine, and

2013
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:40,200
Speaker 1: then you know, until we were able to make our

2014
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:43,960
Speaker 1: way there. You guys were, you know, in the middle

2015
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:47,240
Speaker 1: of it of getting that animal apart, and you know,

2016
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:51,320
Speaker 1: maybe would have been a little offended in some situations,

2017
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:52,639
Speaker 1: like oh, I would have liked to get a picture

2018
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 1: of the animal, Like not like that thought never crossed

2019
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:58,240
Speaker 1: my mind, Like, no, the you just got to get

2020
01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:03,040
Speaker 1: to work and get that thing taken down. It's alarmingly warm. Yeah,

2021
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:05,240
Speaker 1: I mean those quarters were off, and it's like put

2022
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:07,599
Speaker 1: him in the bag, let's go, let's take them. As

2023
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:12,280
Speaker 1: Carl was gutting that thing, just the the stomach, like

2024
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:15,960
Speaker 1: second by second, it seemed like it was just growing. Yeah,

2025
01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:20,240
Speaker 1: like in my hands. Yeah. Times the time Jeremy had

2026
01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:23,479
Speaker 1: a cape spoiling two hours, right, yeah, the the ORCX.

2027
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:26,519
Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to harvest in August within a

2028
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:28,840
Speaker 1: couple of hours. And it was nowhere near as hot

2029
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:31,439
Speaker 1: as it was when we were able to. Yeah, the

2030
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:33,720
Speaker 1: hair was already slipping, you know. I I took the

2031
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:35,920
Speaker 1: cape home and I wanted to donate it to a

2032
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:38,479
Speaker 1: tax it or missed. And I called him and he said,

2033
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:40,080
Speaker 1: do me a favor and go ahead and take a

2034
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:41,719
Speaker 1: clump of that hair and just give it a pool.

2035
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:43,719
Speaker 1: And I pulled it, and I was I was pulling

2036
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:47,400
Speaker 1: off handfuls of hair off that cape hours. Oh yeah.

2037
01:53:47,439 --> 01:53:48,840
Speaker 1: He was like, how long when did you kill When

2038
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:51,400
Speaker 1: did you kill it? I said about three thirty it

2039
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:54,760
Speaker 1: was you know, four, five thirty six, somewhere around there.

2040
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:56,240
Speaker 1: He said, go ahead and just pull some hair. I

2041
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 1: pulled it in. He's like, is it coming off? I

2042
01:53:58,120 --> 01:54:01,000
Speaker 1: said yeah, He's like, throw it away. We took a

2043
01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:05,759
Speaker 1: giant cooler, put sixty pounds of ice in the cooler

2044
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,920
Speaker 1: and then put down a contractor bag and then laid

2045
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:16,120
Speaker 1: the hide meat side down, kind of loosely folded packs

2046
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 1: all and like, you know, you hear a lot of

2047
01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:22,240
Speaker 1: people say, oh, oh, hesitatedn't get this. You're able to say, like,

2048
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:25,080
Speaker 1: don't put meat and water and sure when in the

2049
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:29,000
Speaker 1: perfect world, like if you go into a slaughterhouse, they

2050
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:31,640
Speaker 1: don't put well, they cool they cool poultry as we

2051
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 1: now know, and ice baths. But um, and like, no

2052
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:37,680
Speaker 1: one in the slaughterhouse puts meat in the water to

2053
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:40,320
Speaker 1: cool it off. But I've found it in really hot

2054
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:44,120
Speaker 1: places hunters don't hesitate to put meat in the water

2055
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:48,400
Speaker 1: because wet meat is better than rotten meat. One in Hawaii,

2056
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:53,560
Speaker 1: everything goes into ice water to take a shipload of ice,

2057
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:57,040
Speaker 1: put water on it, submerge it, because it's like, well,

2058
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:01,360
Speaker 1: I don't like it when it's rotten, I'll take wet.

2059
01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of us load in our water bottles

2060
01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:05,560
Speaker 1: with ice. I mean, you would fill an analogy and

2061
01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:07,800
Speaker 1: container full of ice and by the time that sucker

2062
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:11,240
Speaker 1: hits your lips, it was already all melted. Uh. And

2063
01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 1: the meats highly regarded. Oh man, yeah, it seems like

2064
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, you know, a lot of these are good.

2065
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 1: But he says they're no good, like people like oh

2066
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:21,240
Speaker 1: big Buck Milder. I love him, my wife likes him.

2067
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:23,600
Speaker 1: Ever likes him, but some people like to ship talk him.

2068
01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:29,280
Speaker 1: But Orcs everybody says it's good. Orcs acts as dear

2069
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:34,400
Speaker 1: seek a deer. Everybody says it's good. Yeah. It would

2070
01:55:34,440 --> 01:55:36,520
Speaker 1: be like a really common reaction, Like if you ask

2071
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:38,160
Speaker 1: a non hunter in New Mexico, like, oh, do you

2072
01:55:38,280 --> 01:55:40,640
Speaker 1: like wow game meat, they'd be like, I like Orcs.

2073
01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:45,520
Speaker 1: It's I mean, that's it's got that good of a reputation.

2074
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:51,480
Speaker 1: I think it's more. I think it's just really mild. Yeah,

2075
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:54,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say. I mean, I'm glad you said that,

2076
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:57,000
Speaker 1: because I would not say it's my favorite for that

2077
01:55:57,200 --> 01:55:59,720
Speaker 1: very reason. I feel like it's a little bit too mild.

2078
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:02,520
Speaker 1: I think that's why I like milder. I like, you know,

2079
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:06,360
Speaker 1: I don't mind a robust flavor. Yeah, I mean, I

2080
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, people like to say, you know, people like

2081
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:14,320
Speaker 1: talk about wild game being organic. Yeah, and most of

2082
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:16,440
Speaker 1: the vast majority of wild game eating this country is

2083
01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:22,120
Speaker 1: not organic, right, um or no way, they're not organic.

2084
01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:26,200
Speaker 1: What would be a thing that would make them not organic?

2085
01:56:26,680 --> 01:56:28,520
Speaker 1: If they got into maybe if they got into some

2086
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:30,880
Speaker 1: of that one of those cattle spots where there's some

2087
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:33,320
Speaker 1: kind of supplemental out there that could be But I

2088
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:35,640
Speaker 1: agree with your point. But there there may be the

2089
01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:37,840
Speaker 1: occasional exception. And the ones that are on the missile

2090
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:41,720
Speaker 1: range probably probably almost to the individual, because they don't

2091
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:44,320
Speaker 1: graze any livestock on the range, right, not the my knowledge.

2092
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:53,160
Speaker 1: So organic, yep, you're dark your mallard, Nope, your white

2093
01:56:53,200 --> 01:57:00,520
Speaker 1: tail probably not. But these are organic ORCS certified yep.

2094
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:05,960
Speaker 1: Uh what else? Man? Fill me in? And we missed well,

2095
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:08,640
Speaker 1: I think on that logistics piece. You know, we we

2096
01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:12,240
Speaker 1: talked a lot about ice just now. Um, and the

2097
01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:15,200
Speaker 1: fact that Now, I think this kind of hunt really

2098
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:20,800
Speaker 1: lends itself to teamwork in terms of the hunt itself,

2099
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:23,920
Speaker 1: but also logistically, I think going out into that country

2100
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:26,320
Speaker 1: with a single vehicle, you know, I would put like

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01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:30,240
Speaker 1: I would put like an extra vehicle as a valuable

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01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:32,240
Speaker 1: pieces car because if you get buried, like we've all

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01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:35,280
Speaker 1: got toe straps and there's just peace of mind. Like

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01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:36,880
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that we were driving over. There

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01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:38,800
Speaker 1: was some places I thought, I thought that one night

2106
01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:40,640
Speaker 1: that Jeremy's truck was going to tip over in that

2107
01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:44,200
Speaker 1: in that washout man, And if something like that happens

2108
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:46,000
Speaker 1: in your way, the heck back in here. And there's

2109
01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:49,760
Speaker 1: some places where phone services spotty and you cannot you

2110
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:55,120
Speaker 1: cannot exaggerate the vastness of the landscape. So having an

2111
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:58,560
Speaker 1: extra vehicle I think is really smart. And then also

2112
01:57:59,080 --> 01:58:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, just having another person in case something goes wrong.

2113
01:58:01,880 --> 01:58:05,320
Speaker 1: You know, there's snakes, it's hot, there's all kinds of

2114
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:08,160
Speaker 1: stuff that you know might happen from a health and

2115
01:58:08,240 --> 01:58:12,080
Speaker 1: well being perspective. So I would suggest not doing the

2116
01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:15,800
Speaker 1: hunt solo would be my other piece of advice. Yeah,

2117
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:19,560
Speaker 1: but if you rigged up properly, two rigs couple buddies

2118
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:23,320
Speaker 1: outfit them all the way. You could let me talk

2119
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:25,360
Speaker 1: about the thing being a hundred thirty miles north south.

2120
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:31,800
Speaker 1: You could finagle your way just on washed out two

2121
01:58:31,880 --> 01:58:37,160
Speaker 1: tracks and whatnot. Fonnago your way for days, sitting up

2122
01:58:37,160 --> 01:58:38,920
Speaker 1: on top of the top or whatever the hell you're doing,

2123
01:58:39,240 --> 01:58:42,160
Speaker 1: stopping at every high spot to look and just spend

2124
01:58:42,240 --> 01:58:46,880
Speaker 1: your time. Yep, And it might be worth noting. You

2125
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:49,360
Speaker 1: know somebody who has no idea what they'd be. You

2126
01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 1: know what this landscape is like in the vegetation, Like

2127
01:58:52,840 --> 01:58:56,560
Speaker 1: if you bring a brand new six pick up down here,

2128
01:58:56,760 --> 01:59:01,280
Speaker 1: you may end up sending Stephen angry email. Get Arizona

2129
01:59:01,320 --> 01:59:05,120
Speaker 1: Arizona pins drives. You just you get scratches. It's it's

2130
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:09,080
Speaker 1: real good to have a capable truck that's already broken in,

2131
01:59:09,320 --> 01:59:12,040
Speaker 1: broken in and got a few dance and scratches because

2132
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:13,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna yeah, you guys took a fence when I

2133
01:59:13,960 --> 01:59:18,400
Speaker 1: call them Arizona pins drivers, right. Um, The best thing

2134
01:59:18,440 --> 01:59:20,640
Speaker 1: I heard lately is what was the what was the rifle?

2135
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:29,800
Speaker 1: We were talking about their day, those old Remington, those Remingtons,

2136
01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:32,480
Speaker 1: slide action rifles. What were those? The Amash machine guns.

2137
01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:37,800
Speaker 1: They're like seven seven six seven sixties and seventies, remember

2138
01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:40,320
Speaker 1: guys have like if you were when we were kids, man,

2139
01:59:40,440 --> 01:59:43,120
Speaker 1: like you know, yeah, like a lot of people like

2140
01:59:43,160 --> 01:59:45,560
Speaker 1: your hand me down was the thirty thirty, right or whatever.

2141
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:47,800
Speaker 1: But the thing to get was if you could get

2142
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:51,720
Speaker 1: one of those Remingtons slide action rifles and then get

2143
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:54,360
Speaker 1: the look through mount Oh yeah, so you had the

2144
01:59:54,440 --> 01:59:58,320
Speaker 1: iron sight corn sight on the bottom and then like

2145
01:59:58,440 --> 02:00:00,520
Speaker 1: these like plastic mounts you can or through, and then

2146
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:02,120
Speaker 1: you had your scope on top. So it was like

2147
02:00:02,200 --> 02:00:06,160
Speaker 1: a brush gun and a field gun. Yeah, machine gun, man,

2148
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:08,840
Speaker 1: you get a lot of rounds down range quick. Yeah.

2149
02:00:09,080 --> 02:00:11,560
Speaker 1: Seth and I both grew up in Pennsylvania, and I

2150
02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:13,760
Speaker 1: don't think it's an exaggeration at all to say, like

2151
02:00:13,880 --> 02:00:15,840
Speaker 1: in in the heyday of our deer camp, when there

2152
02:00:15,880 --> 02:00:19,640
Speaker 1: were twenty plus guys there, at least fifty percent of

2153
02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:23,360
Speaker 1: the rifles that people were hunting with were slide pump

2154
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:29,680
Speaker 1: action Remington rifles and the other we're lee reaction thirty. Yeah.

2155
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:32,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, some guys were starting to hunt

2156
02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:35,040
Speaker 1: with bowl guns. I was old school. I had a

2157
02:00:35,120 --> 02:00:37,800
Speaker 1: third I had a Model thirty two Special with the

2158
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:41,600
Speaker 1: peep site nice and had that reducer so as you

2159
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:43,720
Speaker 1: always had to carry that reducer around in your pocket,

2160
02:00:43,800 --> 02:00:45,880
Speaker 1: you know. And um, in the morning you had to

2161
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:47,920
Speaker 1: take the reducer out because it was too dark. But

2162
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:49,560
Speaker 1: then once it got good light, you kind of like

2163
02:00:49,600 --> 02:00:51,959
Speaker 1: screw that reducer in because you get the extra accuracy.

2164
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,160
Speaker 1: That started getting dust, you had to take the reducer

2165
02:00:54,240 --> 02:00:56,440
Speaker 1: back out. But I put some does down at that

2166
02:00:57,160 --> 02:00:59,000
Speaker 1: put down a buck or two that thirty two wins

2167
02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:01,680
Speaker 1: special is a good man. I was so stupid. I

2168
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:03,880
Speaker 1: sold that thing and it was given to me. There's

2169
02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:05,680
Speaker 1: this guy one of my one of my mentors as

2170
02:01:05,680 --> 02:01:07,480
Speaker 1: a kid was the guy Eugene Grotors, and he had

2171
02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:10,280
Speaker 1: he was in his eighties. He had a gun for

2172
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:12,080
Speaker 1: he he made a point to have a gun for

2173
02:01:12,120 --> 02:01:14,320
Speaker 1: every year he'd been alive. And he kept him in

2174
02:01:14,360 --> 02:01:16,640
Speaker 1: these big overhead racts in his house. So his house

2175
02:01:16,760 --> 02:01:19,680
Speaker 1: was like the ceiling instead of a drop ceiling, it

2176
02:01:19,800 --> 02:01:22,640
Speaker 1: looked like a like what his like den area. It

2177
02:01:22,680 --> 02:01:26,840
Speaker 1: looked like a drop ceiling of firearms eighty three of

2178
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:32,760
Speaker 1: them or whatever up there. And super generous, nice dude. Um.

2179
02:01:34,120 --> 02:01:35,520
Speaker 1: I remember he used to have like he was a

2180
02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:37,440
Speaker 1: big admirer of these are all World War two guys,

2181
02:01:37,480 --> 02:01:38,720
Speaker 1: you know. But he was a big admirer of like

2182
02:01:38,840 --> 02:01:43,400
Speaker 1: centerfolds from you know, like old whatever to hell Playboy

2183
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:46,960
Speaker 1: precursors or Tiger magazine or whatever you know, like, and

2184
02:01:47,040 --> 02:01:50,880
Speaker 1: he had always decorated everything with these. And I remember

2185
02:01:50,920 --> 02:01:53,600
Speaker 1: being a little kid and wandering around there, you know, like,

2186
02:01:53,760 --> 02:01:56,600
Speaker 1: man might also look at this, sir, I can't really

2187
02:01:56,640 --> 02:01:58,320
Speaker 1: help not look at it. Oh my dad, don't catch

2188
02:01:58,360 --> 02:02:02,080
Speaker 1: me looking anyways. He had all his damn guns, and

2189
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:05,800
Speaker 1: he was such a nice dude the way instead but

2190
02:02:06,040 --> 02:02:12,400
Speaker 1: but uh, he gave me a model. And instead of

2191
02:02:12,440 --> 02:02:13,680
Speaker 1: him saying like, I just want to give this to

2192
02:02:13,720 --> 02:02:16,320
Speaker 1: you as a nice guy, he presented it to me

2193
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:20,640
Speaker 1: to be like I got to counting and realize that

2194
02:02:20,720 --> 02:02:24,720
Speaker 1: I have an extra gun. Oh man, what a guy,

2195
02:02:25,080 --> 02:02:27,560
Speaker 1: and I like to have one for every year I'm alive,

2196
02:02:27,640 --> 02:02:31,120
Speaker 1: So please take this, and positioned it to me as

2197
02:02:31,160 --> 02:02:33,040
Speaker 1: a kid that I was doing him a favor by

2198
02:02:33,120 --> 02:02:35,840
Speaker 1: taking that gun. And then I took it shot a

2199
02:02:35,880 --> 02:02:37,800
Speaker 1: bunch of deer with it. I remember going out in

2200
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:39,720
Speaker 1: the yard and someone filled the milk jug up full

2201
02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:41,280
Speaker 1: of water and put it out there at seventy five

2202
02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:43,760
Speaker 1: yards and hit the milk jug full of water and

2203
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:45,120
Speaker 1: it was like that was like the test, you know,

2204
02:02:45,200 --> 02:02:47,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, it's a hunting gun. And then

2205
02:02:47,720 --> 02:02:51,880
Speaker 1: later UM sold it to a dude, the head of

2206
02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:58,600
Speaker 1: uh uh wood Stove a gunshot wood Stove shop sold

2207
02:02:58,640 --> 02:03:00,680
Speaker 1: it to him, and he gave me three hud bucks works.

2208
02:03:00,760 --> 02:03:04,360
Speaker 1: I wanted a trap and gunna those uh twenty two

2209
02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:11,560
Speaker 1: over and under and then later realized that I was

2210
02:03:11,800 --> 02:03:17,440
Speaker 1: grossly underpaid. Yeah for that model ninety four. My fault

2211
02:03:18,680 --> 02:03:20,440
Speaker 1: anytime you sell a gun later and I'm like, dude,

2212
02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:22,640
Speaker 1: I think because you forget what it's like to be

2213
02:03:22,680 --> 02:03:25,640
Speaker 1: out of money, and then you just think you're being stupid.

2214
02:03:25,800 --> 02:03:28,320
Speaker 1: But I'd like to have that thing back. I got

2215
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:32,080
Speaker 1: something we forgot. God, well, it's still fresh in my mind.

2216
02:03:32,200 --> 02:03:35,360
Speaker 1: Carl mentioned snake that just happened with across the table

2217
02:03:35,400 --> 02:03:39,680
Speaker 1: a seth. I don't want to take your story from you. Yeah,

2218
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:43,880
Speaker 1: be careful you step out here. We pulled up. I

2219
02:03:43,960 --> 02:03:45,800
Speaker 1: think we're just pulled up to a glass and spot.

2220
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:51,640
Speaker 1: I swung the door open and stepped out and walked

2221
02:03:51,680 --> 02:03:53,920
Speaker 1: over between a bush and the door, between a bush

2222
02:03:53,960 --> 02:03:58,160
Speaker 1: and the doors, not very much space. And I walked

2223
02:03:58,200 --> 02:04:01,280
Speaker 1: over to Jeremy's truck was in front of us, and

2224
02:04:01,640 --> 02:04:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, we exchanged words and stuff, and I turned

2225
02:04:04,200 --> 02:04:07,320
Speaker 1: around to get back in Mike's truck, and right where

2226
02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:11,520
Speaker 1: I had stepped out is coiled up rattlesnake a little

2227
02:04:11,560 --> 02:04:15,480
Speaker 1: dish and a little dish. I think it was like

2228
02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:17,680
Speaker 1: an old cattle track or something that just you know,

2229
02:04:17,800 --> 02:04:19,960
Speaker 1: got washed out and just made his perfect little dish.

2230
02:04:20,920 --> 02:04:24,760
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I stepped inches from it. I mean,

2231
02:04:24,840 --> 02:04:28,760
Speaker 1: it really would be difficult to step closer to the

2232
02:04:28,840 --> 02:04:33,600
Speaker 1: snake without actually stepping. I got a video, did you.

2233
02:04:33,680 --> 02:04:35,320
Speaker 1: I put a video on my If you go to

2234
02:04:35,400 --> 02:04:42,320
Speaker 1: Instagram at Stephen Ronella, Yeah, is there one at Signs

2235
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:44,760
Speaker 1: Underscore West, there'll be photos of it. You should change

2236
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:46,600
Speaker 1: your thing to SETH so people can find you, or

2237
02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:51,120
Speaker 1: at the flip Flop Flusher, Yeah, or at Seth. I

2238
02:04:51,200 --> 02:04:53,760
Speaker 1: gotta talk to who would know I would who would

2239
02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:55,560
Speaker 1: know how to look you up. I want to talk

2240
02:04:55,680 --> 02:04:57,600
Speaker 1: to the even just type my name and it comes up.

2241
02:04:58,240 --> 02:05:00,880
Speaker 1: I want to talk to someone about about like if

2242
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:04,960
Speaker 1: that makes a difference by changing your Because Sessa takes

2243
02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:08,600
Speaker 1: a sense of photographer takes beautiful photographs. Thank you you're

2244
02:05:08,600 --> 02:05:12,280
Speaker 1: going there and follow him at Signs West signs underscore West. Yeah,

2245
02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:17,200
Speaker 1: so it's not his name, it's just signs West yea underscore.

2246
02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:21,520
Speaker 1: Maybe it needs updated. I think you need to update it. Um.

2247
02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:26,000
Speaker 1: One last thing another good satis m is uh tagged out.

2248
02:05:26,720 --> 02:05:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this we should call this episode tug

2249
02:05:28,720 --> 02:05:32,280
Speaker 1: out because rather than saying we tagged out, Seth would

2250
02:05:32,280 --> 02:05:35,920
Speaker 1: say we tug out yea and scun it. I think

2251
02:05:35,960 --> 02:05:40,640
Speaker 1: that's a Pennsylvania thing. That's where I came out, talk out,

2252
02:05:40,760 --> 02:05:44,280
Speaker 1: tug out. We're all tug out, like I don't know

2253
02:05:44,320 --> 02:05:47,040
Speaker 1: that sounds that's perfectly normal to me. I'll tug out.

2254
02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:50,120
Speaker 1: I love it. I'll tug out. Okay, Jeremy, thank you.

2255
02:05:50,600 --> 02:05:52,440
Speaker 1: Well tell people how to find uh how do people go?

2256
02:05:52,480 --> 02:05:54,200
Speaker 1: If you want to look at the work you guys do, well,

2257
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:56,960
Speaker 1: you can go to the National Wildlife Federation or NWF

2258
02:05:57,080 --> 02:05:59,400
Speaker 1: dot org. You know, from there that's a hunting friendly

2259
02:05:59,440 --> 02:06:02,839
Speaker 1: conservation absolutely yeah. You know, the National Wildlife Federation focuses

2260
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:04,760
Speaker 1: on a lot of conservation issues. But one of the

2261
02:06:04,840 --> 02:06:06,960
Speaker 1: things that I and a lot of my you know, team,

2262
02:06:07,040 --> 02:06:10,040
Speaker 1: prides ourselves and doing are you know, conservation that's related

2263
02:06:10,080 --> 02:06:12,560
Speaker 1: to sportsmen and sports women, you know, advocating for things

2264
02:06:12,640 --> 02:06:16,080
Speaker 1: like Land Water Conservation Fund, the Great American Outdoors Ach,

2265
02:06:16,160 --> 02:06:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, access to for sportsmen and sports women of

2266
02:06:18,760 --> 02:06:21,720
Speaker 1: public lends a lot of those issues that we hear

2267
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:23,600
Speaker 1: a lot about on this show. You know, the National

2268
02:06:23,640 --> 02:06:26,360
Speaker 1: Wildlife Federation and you know, the team that I am

2269
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:28,680
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to work with, you know, really does a

2270
02:06:28,800 --> 02:06:31,880
Speaker 1: great job of, you know, working hard to protect these

2271
02:06:32,080 --> 02:06:34,720
Speaker 1: these traditions that we you know, value that allows us

2272
02:06:34,760 --> 02:06:36,880
Speaker 1: to be here talking about you know, and so folks

2273
02:06:36,960 --> 02:06:39,040
Speaker 1: want to learn more about as you know, the National

2274
02:06:39,080 --> 02:06:42,280
Speaker 1: Wildlife Federation itself is a nonprofit, but we're also made

2275
02:06:42,360 --> 02:06:44,400
Speaker 1: up of state affiliates. So you know, if you're in

2276
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:46,080
Speaker 1: New Mexico and you draw an orange tag and you

2277
02:06:46,120 --> 02:06:47,920
Speaker 1: want a little bit more information, you can always go

2278
02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:50,840
Speaker 1: check out the New Mexican Wildlife Federation, but you know,

2279
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:53,120
Speaker 1: go to NWF dot org and you can really start

2280
02:06:53,200 --> 02:06:55,320
Speaker 1: to see kind of all the different angles that we

2281
02:06:55,640 --> 02:06:59,120
Speaker 1: focus on in conservation and uh kind of start to

2282
02:06:59,800 --> 02:07:02,040
Speaker 1: you learn from there and kind of really divulge into

2283
02:07:02,080 --> 02:07:04,720
Speaker 1: the many different state you know affiliates that are also

2284
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:07,320
Speaker 1: focused on more specific issues. Yeah, when I say a

2285
02:07:07,400 --> 02:07:11,360
Speaker 1: hunting friendly conservation group, that's like a thing that I

2286
02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:14,960
Speaker 1: think it's really important for you to understand, because when

2287
02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:18,400
Speaker 1: you support hunting friendly conservation groups, you're in you're getting

2288
02:07:18,440 --> 02:07:22,120
Speaker 1: in bed with people who want there to be a

2289
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:25,840
Speaker 1: they want they want there to be great habitat, they

2290
02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:28,400
Speaker 1: want there to be a lot of wildlife, and they

2291
02:07:28,520 --> 02:07:33,400
Speaker 1: support your right to use that wildlife when there is

2292
02:07:33,680 --> 02:07:39,080
Speaker 1: enough of it to warrant some consumption. And other conservation

2293
02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:42,520
Speaker 1: groups that might really support the habitat and support the

2294
02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:46,440
Speaker 1: wildlife end uh want to starve you out. And so

2295
02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:49,800
Speaker 1: I think always lend your support to the hunting friendly ones,

2296
02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:52,360
Speaker 1: because if not, you're just you're you're helping the long

2297
02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:55,040
Speaker 1: game but screwing the screwing yourself in the short term.

2298
02:07:57,320 --> 02:08:04,160
Speaker 1: That's not two cents, Mike, He's got nothing to say.

2299
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:10,680
Speaker 1: I got nothing to say any concluders, Carl Uh. I

2300
02:08:10,720 --> 02:08:14,400
Speaker 1: would just like to express gratitude to my two buddies. Um,

2301
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, these guys taking time off of work and

2302
02:08:18,320 --> 02:08:21,120
Speaker 1: beating the crap out of their vehicles and you know,

2303
02:08:21,200 --> 02:08:25,200
Speaker 1: cooking some incredible food and you know, just like you,

2304
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:29,160
Speaker 1: I think you guys both have an appreciation Steven Seth

2305
02:08:29,240 --> 02:08:32,320
Speaker 1: at this point for they rolled all the red carpet. Yeah,

2306
02:08:32,360 --> 02:08:34,760
Speaker 1: but they rolled all the red chili sauce. And the

2307
02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:36,960
Speaker 1: point I want to make is it's not because it's

2308
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:41,960
Speaker 1: not because it's not because you were the guy coming

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Speaker 1: to hunt. But that's just the kind of guys that

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Speaker 1: they are. And if if you were any other old

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Speaker 1: Joe buddy of mine coming from out of state to

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Speaker 1: go on in oracs, not they would have gotten the

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Speaker 1: same kind of treatment. Because I'm lucky enough to have

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Speaker 1: friends like these two. Appreciate you, guys. Jeremy, Mike, thank you.

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Speaker 1: And anyone draws an OORCS tag Jeremy might be take out. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean you guys, don't eve worry about bringing a truck.

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Speaker 1: You guys are thoroughly welcome. This was This was an

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Speaker 1: absolutely enjoyable five days of just bombing around with with

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Speaker 1: people that you know, really feel like old friends at

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Speaker 1: this point and so really an authentic experience and just

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Speaker 1: a heck of a lot of fun. So I you know,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the time together. This is great. Thanks guys,