1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: His name is Charles Williamson, but for almost a decade, 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: his name was replaced by a series of numbers assigned 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: to him by the Federal Bureau of Corrections. Those numbers 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: served as a daily reminder that he was doing time 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: for credit card fraud. When I say fraud, I'm not 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: talking to typical minor league lick for Pared Jordan's. I'm 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: talking major fraud to the tune of twenty million dollars. 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: But we'll elaborate in that little later, because every story 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: has the beginning, and this story starts with another Elias 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: that Williamson went by, and that was Gorilla Black. One day, 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, I was in a real dark space, and 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: at that time I was financially inept, so a lot 13 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: of money that I had previously made and with being 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: an industry, with touring, with publishing, all of that had 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: pretty much been exhausted of me living and you know, 16 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: trying to create a business, which was my barbershop. A 17 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: lot of y'all that's been throughout the city. A lot 18 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 1: of people know me from on and you know, hair 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: salons and barbershops, you know, being in the hair business 20 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: over the last almost twenty years, whether it's creating products, 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: whether it's shops and so forth. So um an associate 22 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: introduced me. And when an associate introduced me to it, 23 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: I've seen the power of it and I was in 24 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: a dark space at that time. I'll be the first 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: to admit that. And I realized that it was a 26 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: potential way to change things up for me in the 27 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: immediate future on my finances. But I really didn't understand 28 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: the mechanics behind it. And so once you know, I've 29 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: always been an inquisitive individual by nature soul, me sitting 30 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: down and really getting an understanding of exactly how it worked. 31 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: Once I did, I ended up connecting with somebody. And 32 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: when I did connect with this person through you know, 33 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: the dark web, he had sent me a batch of 34 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: you know cards, and I think it was like November 35 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: of that year, and I think the first month I 36 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: made about fifty dollars. And from that point out, I 37 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: realized that, you know, he had codependency problems. He was 38 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, pretty much a heroin at it. And from 39 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: that point out our conversation became a little bit deeper, 40 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: and so he understood it. I had the financial ability 41 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: to be able to take these cards and actually make 42 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: a profit, and he was having financial issues of his 43 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: own because of his codependency problem. So I took it 44 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: upon myself to ingratiate myself to the point of where 45 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 1: I would pay for all of the other means that 46 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: came to get in the card is, whether it be 47 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, the servers, or whether it be you know, 48 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: all of the different technology that was needed and mare 49 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: were and so forth for that nature. And I pretty 50 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: much funded it. And so once I got to that level, 51 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: I realized that I got really really really deep and 52 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: um to where you know it was it was nothing 53 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: to harvest, you know, in a week's time to the 54 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: three thousand cards, and um, I had to understanding in 55 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: a sophisticated means to be able to tap into thousands 56 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: of pots pretty much worldwide. And um, I would take 57 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: those cards as I would get them and let them 58 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: sit in different batches and so forth. So my level 59 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: of understanding of how the complexity of it it was. 60 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: It was complex at first, but uh that that complexity 61 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: just pretty much grew into child's play after a while 62 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: because he explained to me on so many different levels. 63 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: And as that happened, I pretty much graduated into you know, 64 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: other circumstances with other individuals who was doing the same thing. 65 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: So that just expounded itself into a whole another you 66 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: know situation, and where it just continued to you know growing. Um, yeah, 67 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: you're mixing the dark web. And that's always been like 68 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: a mythical thing to me, like how did you learn 69 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: that technology? Did they teach you all the technology and 70 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,239 Speaker 1: how to get access the dark web and everything like that. Well, 71 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: it was pretty much a lot of different sites in 72 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: which me doing my homework Delvon and Delvon and Delvon 73 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: and Delvon. And in that era, there was websites that 74 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: actually sole and marketed you know, um day capabilities of 75 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: you know, selling dumps, which is quote unquote credit card numbers. UM. 76 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: I went on in site and you know, there was 77 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: a messaging um technology that was pretty much a Russian 78 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: technology and in which way you could message the you know, 79 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: all of the different hackers and so forth. And so 80 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: when I messaged him, how I met the individual? When 81 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: I messaged him, he hit me back and so he 82 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: was like, I said, well, I need fifty cards, and 83 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: so he sent them to me and I hadn't even 84 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: sent him the money, and I must said have made 85 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: maybe about six seven thousand dollars off of them, and 86 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: um he said, yeah, brother, who you owe me? Um this? 87 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, cool, So I sent him 88 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: the money and from there he would just send him, 89 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: just send him, send him, send him, send him, send him. 90 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: And so when he got to the point to where 91 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: he couldn't actually pay for you know, to serve for space, 92 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: to be able to run the equipment and all of 93 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: the gear, to be able to you know, playing all 94 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: of them, all ware throughout all of the posits that 95 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: you know, was pretty much worldwide. I just pretty much 96 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: took over all of that aspect of it, on the 97 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: billion of it. And then from there he was able 98 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: to pretty much access you know, my computer, you know, remotely, 99 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: and then step by step I was able to learn 100 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,799 Speaker 1: everything exactly what he was doing. And it was crazy 101 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: because when you look at it, it's like if me 102 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: and you're standing on a block, but imagine having a big, 103 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: huge ring full of keys, and each one, well not 104 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: a huge ring. Let's just say we got at least 105 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: five keys, but we go to each back door and 106 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: we try each key, and then every time it would 107 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: crack on my screen would say vulnerable, and then it's 108 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: like us going to all of them and so imagine 109 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: doing that times a hundred thousand and then times a million. 110 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: Imagine going to a million back doors trying those keys. 111 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I knew the vulnerabilities inside the Microsoft system. 112 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: And so once I understood that, and then from there 113 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: he would sit there and explain to me how to 114 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: actually use you know, all of the different technology and 115 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: them allware, they'll be added to it, and pretty much 116 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: it was. It was a game changer for me because 117 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: I was it was it was lights out because every 118 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: time you would go inside of a store, a lot 119 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: of you don't even realize it, but you take your 120 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: card and imagine you're going in there and you're just 121 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: paying for some milk and some cookies or whatever it mayby. Well, 122 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: when you slide that magnetic strip, that magnetic strip sends 123 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: out a series of codes, which is a track one 124 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: at tracked two, and that information goes to a processor. Well, 125 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: I would get inside of that line and when that 126 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: information would go to the processor, it would also go 127 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: to me and go to the processor and go to me. 128 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: And imagine all of the people that walk in the 129 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: store in the day so you pretty much said, um said, 130 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: access to the terminals that were in the stores. Yeah, 131 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: it's surpas the point of sales. Wow. So look, let 132 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: me ask you this. You mentioned that you made money 133 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: off of these cards. How would a person make money 134 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: of a credit card? Pretty much? You know, we use 135 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: a machine, and then I would take that machine and 136 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: you could actually encode any magnetic strip with the code 137 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: of numbers, which is a series of numbers which identifies 138 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: every individual. So let's just say the first track would 139 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: have your name on it, your last name, your first name, 140 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: with a series of numbers, and then there would be 141 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: another one and that would be the being and the 142 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: beginning numbers is the bank identification number, and then a 143 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: series of numbers that would actually lead to that account. 144 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: So I would just use track two track two on everything. 145 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: I made it a lot easier. I didn't need all 146 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: of that, And I would just go into a store 147 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: seven eleven and I would take thirty gift cards that 148 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: was on the shelf that had never been open and 149 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: never been touched, and I just put them in the 150 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: grocery bag and walk out the store with him or 151 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: anywhere I would see them. And then when I would 152 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: get back to my lab, I would just open them 153 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: up and with a program placed on the laptop, it 154 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: would be plugged into a box and whenever I would 155 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: swap into and all of that information Track one, track two, well, 156 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: I would using the only using track two. It would 157 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: be on that card, and from there I would give 158 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: that card to my crew of individuals and they would 159 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: pretty much go on shopping spreeze all day. So you 160 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: guys would go on shopping sprees and pretty much real 161 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: the items that you curate to on those visits, not 162 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: really the item so much. It would just be on 163 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: a shopping spreef for gift cards. So you know, I 164 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: would never sent her brought up in there with some 165 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: booty shorts into you know, Bloomingdale. Actually you had to 166 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: dress the part, so I would make sure that she 167 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: had her hair nice and that she looked like she 168 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: was someone who had five thousand dollar credit card or 169 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: had access to five or ten thousand dollar credit card 170 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: and so much. Pretty much essentially, once she would just 171 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: slide that card, it would ring up the sail and 172 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: then she would buy items to disguise the bigger play. 173 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: The bigger play was the actual gift card. So being 174 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: able to get a five hundred dollar Bloomingdale card, which 175 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: would pretty much retail on the streets for about three 176 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: hundred dollars or to fifty or whatever or a half 177 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: of it. So imagine she got three five hundred dollar 178 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: home depot cards, UM, a few hundred dollar Bloomingdale and 179 00:10:54,160 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: Norstradale North uh Norstrooms cards, UM walking side of all 180 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: marked and pretty much you could buy these cards when 181 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: you buy another product. So at that time I would 182 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: let them keep all of the merchandise. All I wanted 183 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: was a third or third or third or third for 184 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: me and third for you, a third for the actual 185 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: game pretty much the cost of everything. So it was 186 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: the third or third or third split and so you 187 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: exactly pretty much essentially they would keep two thirds and 188 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: I would keep two thirds. How much money would you 189 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: say this operation was grossing for you a month? Yeah? 190 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:39,359 Speaker 1: It varies. I mean, because I was sending cards with females, 191 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: you know, the federal government. All of this is documented. 192 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: And also I was selling cards to other individuals. You know, 193 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: I was selling fifty four thousand, so probably about a 194 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: hundred thousand, maybe a hunting if shorter, maybe any anywhere 195 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: around eighty nine somewhere around there. Oh wow, man, so 196 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: you really have a celebrity, you really have an elaboraty 197 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: system going yeah, yeah, okay, so you know you have 198 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: this going on. What was your run? Like, how many 199 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: years was you doing it? Successful? It wasn't a very 200 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: very long run, man, I mean it was probably about 201 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: a good to three year run. And you know, it 202 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: wasn't a real real long run because you know, I 203 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: guess the element of surprise is the surprise itself. So 204 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: the individual what brought the run pretty much to an 205 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: end is the individual. I never forget there was a 206 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: There was two locations in the Seattle area, and one 207 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: of the locations, you know, I never forget this because 208 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: it's so eerie, and I never forget getting the phone 209 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: call from me said I got two more spots, and 210 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: so he had access to it. And when I went 211 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: inside every and I looked, I said, where did these 212 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: cards come from? And when I'm you know, taking the numbers, 213 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: and I'm looking. By this time, I'm able to look 214 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: at the first three digits of it, and so I 215 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: know what the bank, what banks they are, and I'm like, 216 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: these not regular cards, these are business and corporate cards 217 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: pretty much essentially, and so I'm running them boom, I'm running. 218 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: I walked into a Walmart and I think mont Claire 219 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: Claire Mount, California, and I walked in and I must 220 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: have the boat light four or five PlayStations, and then 221 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: I must have bought about another three or four five 222 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: gift cards myself literally and I'm like, damn, So the 223 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: cards was they was going going going, and um to 224 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: come to find out that the company that they came 225 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: from had went and got a computer forensic expert that 226 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: was able to trace back where the cards where we 227 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: planted the line and trace it all the way back 228 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: to the actual server and trace it all the way 229 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: back to his I P and pretty much once that happened, Yeah, 230 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty much everything was on a 231 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: on a on a time clock pretty much. And once 232 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: they gathered they gathered enough information and they grabbed him. 233 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: He you know, pretty much relinquished you know, everything and 234 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: pretty much essentially told on me. So yeah, so so 235 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: so he um involved, you went to his mess he 236 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: got caught and pretty much ruled over on you. When 237 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: did you get an ideal? Because I think people normally 238 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: get an ideal they could feel the heat on them. 239 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: Did you feel the heat in the instance, I didn't 240 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: really know. I never forget at the time. UM, you 241 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: know me and you know my son's mother. We was 242 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico, and I never forget. I went out 243 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: there for my birthday and I stayed at the Continental Hotel. 244 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: And you know, during my birthday is this elaborate thing 245 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: that they do there where people jump in the ocean 246 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: backwards and they make all of these new resolutions of 247 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: how the rest of the year is gonna be, and 248 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: you know, all of these different epiphanies they begin to have. 249 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: And it's a holiday almost essentially there. And so we 250 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: came back and whenever we came back, I owned a 251 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: motorcycle shop at the present time, and I went to 252 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: the motorcycle shop. And when I went to the motorcycle shop, 253 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: my partner, who was my partner inside of my motorcycle shop, 254 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: he was like, YO, get the funk out of here. 255 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: Federal agents been all over the place. Hearth Thorn, the 256 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: sheriff Department, Towrence, Police Department, UH, the Marshals, the Secret Service. 257 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: They had toward the shop, two smith Rens and um 258 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: they was looking for me, and yeah, I had a 259 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: and then so I had a friend, you know, my 260 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: friend Geo. He called, you know, an officer that he knew, 261 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: and he said, man, they got a twenty two count 262 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: indictment um for guerrilla black out of Seattle. And that's 263 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: how I found out I had a twenty count indictment. Yeah. 264 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: Did you ever think about running? Man? I wanted to run. 265 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: You know, I stayed here and I had to throw 266 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: my phones away. I threw everything away and try to 267 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: get off of the grid. But pretty much it's the 268 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: FEDS man. So everyone that was associated with me, that 269 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: was inter linked with me, they had under surveillance. So 270 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, imagine I had this motorcycle shop, another motorcycle 271 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: shop too, uh, barbershops, and also office that you know 272 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: at the time my wife and I was running. So 273 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: I had all of these. I have five different businesses 274 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: going on, plus my elicit business, my my real cash cow, 275 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: my credit card hustle. So um, yeah, I mean I 276 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: thought about running. That was a thought in my mind 277 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: for a long time. But I was like, damn, where 278 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna run to, Like, this is the federal government 279 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: that's I'm going to lead the country, And you know, 280 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: leave my kids, leave everything that I pretty much know. 281 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: So the thought came across my mind. So the thought 282 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: came brout your mind. So when how did the police 283 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: finally how the law enforcement officials finally kick up? Which 284 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: I had got an attorney, and I was talking to 285 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: the attorney, but I didn't understand that they pretty much 286 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: essentially already knew where I was at. So the attorney 287 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: was pretty much keeping them at bay. Um. Eventually I 288 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: would end up getting a paid attorney and working with 289 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: a whole another individual. Um. But I never forget it. 290 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: I Um. I was sitting in there in the living 291 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: room and I was reading the Bible. It's so coincidental. 292 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: And we hear a knock on the door, and my 293 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: wife she got asked for the door. And at this 294 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: time I was living in Palace Verdes, and so here 295 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: the door pump, blah blah boom, and so she like 296 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: black black, black black, And I'm like, what the hell, 297 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: what's going on? And so I walk up and then 298 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,959 Speaker 1: you know, the federal agents, they was all in plain clothes. 299 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: They was all, you know, I'm swing, so from the 300 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: Secret Service. I'm sewing, so from the Secret Service. I'm 301 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: from the Secret Service. I'm from the Secret Service. Charles 302 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: Williamson can used to please step forward, said yeah, are 303 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: you Charles Williamson. And in their hand they had the 304 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: indictment and the Warren as well, and they didn't even 305 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: put no cuffs on me. I looked in front of 306 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: my yard and I've seen six hundred bins is and 307 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: I've seen rain drovers, and all of them was filled 308 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: with federal agents, all of them with Secret Service. They 309 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: literally walked me to the back of a six hundred, 310 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: open the back door and put me in it. And 311 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: along the way back to the Federal building you can 312 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: see those cars swarming around. And we got there. Then 313 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: they took me up there and I never forget. They 314 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: was like, you want to sit down and talk. I 315 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: was like, man, it's been a rough day. Man. I 316 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: just need two things. Man, I need a soft bunk 317 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: man and a pubby meat sandwich. And we ain't got 318 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: nothing else to really say. Okay. So from there processed 319 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: me out, went to the raiment. Following day, they sent 320 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: me up to m d C. And then the Ninth Circuit, 321 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: which is from Seattle. Up there they sent down the 322 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: request to have me uh extradited back up to Seattle 323 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: was so crazy and ironic. Like I said previously, the 324 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: places in which where we got the information from out 325 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: of these two spots in Seattle, and the forensic scientists, 326 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: all of the information that they got, they pretty much 327 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: sent it over to the federal government. And the moment 328 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: that cards was moved over international wire or over over 329 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: you know, these internet communications, it became a federal crime. 330 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: So I couldn't be prosecuted on the state level. It 331 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: became all federal at that time. So it became of fear. 332 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken in the fits you that time, No, 333 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: it's not a dent. You do eighty seven point five 334 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: percent of it. So, um, yeah, it's eighty seven point 335 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: five percent, you know, even on a non violence such 336 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: as mine. Um. Crazy part about it is is for 337 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: me to get the time that I got, I pretty much, 338 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: you know, to keep a lot of other people that 339 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: was involved with me out of the way, I had 340 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: to give away my appeal rights as long as they 341 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: allowed my family members, you know, to not be caught 342 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: up in you know, my present charges on a conspiracy. 343 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: So pretty much I gave away my appeal rights. So yeah, yeah, 344 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: that was an honorable thing to do. Um. You know, now, 345 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: when did your sentence you come about? Um? I was 346 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: sentenced actually once they took me into custody. What was 347 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 1: so crazy is what is the day eighteen two days ago? Yeah, 348 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: would be the anniversary of that day is January sixteenth. 349 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: They took me into federal custody, and I probably I 350 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: got sentenced later that year of two thousand and thirteen October. 351 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: I got sentenced October ten. Um, I was extradited from 352 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: m DC to C Tax C Tax which is Seattle Tacoma, Washington, 353 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: to have a federal holding that's there. So once that happened, Um, 354 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: I never forget. I think his name was Judge Gonzalez, 355 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: and um they pretty much that whole day. Man, I 356 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: was hearing dudes getting sixty months, seventy months, eighty months. 357 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I'm gonna get love. I'm gonna 358 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: get love. And UM, I never forget. I wasn't pleaning. 359 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: I didn't want to plead to the twenty million dollars 360 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: in fraug. That was you know, us being slick on 361 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: some on some some nickel slicks. Ship. We're not gonna 362 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: plead to the twenty million. It sounds a lot better 363 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: pleading to thirty thousand credit cards instead of pleading to 364 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: twenty million dollars a fraud. So my attorney got up 365 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: there with the Nickel slicks. Shit. It was like, you know, 366 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: repleating the you know, these thirty thousand credit cards. The 367 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: judge was like, man, I ain't trying to hear that. Man, 368 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: this is a twenty million dollar fraud case, and just 369 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: swatted my attorney like bow. And you know, during this, 370 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: with me signing for open plea, my life is literally 371 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: in the judge's hand. It's not like a regular where 372 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: I'm locked into a set amount of time. I have 373 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: my guidelines, which is a hundred and eight to a 374 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five months, so the judge can give 375 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: me within that range, or he could go above it. 376 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: During you know, behind the mitigating circumstances. Under one bank 377 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: fraud charge, which I played till over five of them, 378 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: bank frog carries a maximum penalty of thirty years. I 379 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: played the aggravvated identity death Aggravated identity theft carries the 380 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: twenty four mandatory sentence. I played it also to access 381 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: device for aud which is essentially any device that you're 382 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: able to use as a communication vehicle for bank information 383 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: as well, so I never forget it. Man. He was like, um, 384 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: you know what Mr Williams said to do. I can 385 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: give you twenty years and uh man, I mean I 386 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: just felt like my whole life flashed and I'm literally 387 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: sitting here in a black box cuffed, he said. But 388 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that to you. He said, I'm 389 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: gonna give you for these charges right here, there's gonna 390 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: be eighty seven months. And on top of that, I'm 391 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: going to give you another twenty four months for the 392 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: aggravated identity theft, so that's gonna be a hundred and 393 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: ten months. But he said, you ever come back up 394 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: in this courtroom again, I will give you twenty years. Yeh. 395 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: And so where did you do your time that I 396 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: did most of my time and but Loon Park Federal 397 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: Correctional um Institution up there in Long Park, California. So yeah, 398 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: that's Ceclon Pard that's the Santa Maria, California actually, and 399 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 1: you were locked there with interesting people, Yeah, definitely, man um. 400 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: The first place where they housed me at was in 401 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: Jay Dorm. And Jay Dorm we call that Loon Park Hills, 402 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: because when you come into the actual yard, there's two 403 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: big buildings that's next door to each other and they've 404 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: been there forever in a day and back then in 405 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: the gap and used to be like they said, a 406 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: military you know site or whatever. But we called it 407 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: the projects because it was the first floor, second floor, 408 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: third floor, and on the other side it was medical. 409 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: Then it was two more floors, and so we called 410 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: it the Projects. And inside was where they had the 411 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: phone booth setting. So this first dorm right here when 412 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: you passed the gym was cater and then when you 413 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: passed the other gate past the barbershop all the way 414 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: to the back, that was Ja Dorman and back there, 415 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, I was in there with you know, a 416 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: lot of interesting characters, but more than you know, the 417 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: one that was the most essential and important man, and 418 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: I got a lot of understanding and a lot of 419 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: mentoring from was Harry oh Man. Uh. I think he 420 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: was a key point for me because I had never 421 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: ran into an individual who was as intelligent and a 422 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: person that had this bevy of knowledge on so many 423 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: different topics and situations and who was well read and 424 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: could communicate itself in a way that was well articulated 425 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: and intelligent. That was something that was unseen in there 426 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: because everybody else was on Niggorish ship, so you know, 427 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: everybody was just playing the phone trying to get a 428 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: bus to send some bread, or do this, a girl 429 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: do that. And I never forget. He was the first 430 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: individual to introduced me to Aggy Mandino. That book Man 431 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: is by African author, and introduced me to everything story 432 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: story book about Jeff Bezo. Just he had were lockers 433 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: full the Levenber books. The man would just have books 434 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: after books after books after books, and he would order 435 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: books and then he would bring him over there and say, baby, 436 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: before read this, and then come back and be like, man, 437 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: let me know what's up with that book, and I'll 438 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: be giving him a summation of pretty much how the 439 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: book broke down. And he already knew that I was 440 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: a fast reader. But you know, the most protective books 441 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: was these books that he had from this African author 442 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: named Agi Mandino. So oh, you already know what I'm 443 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: talking about, and I do research it and I haven't 444 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: got two of his books. But Agi Mandino was a dope, dope, 445 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: dope dope writer and he wrote things in these parables. 446 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: So that's what made it so dope with this African author. 447 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: And he was really real protective and I never forget 448 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: UNC pulled up on me, was like, baby boy, you 449 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: finished with that book. And and all of the years, 450 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: almost seven years, I've never seen him that protective about 451 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: books and the book ain't never about this then, But 452 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: those were books I think that he had begun in 453 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,239 Speaker 1: reading at the beginning of his bid. And you know, 454 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: he walked down life in the state that's twenty five. 455 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: He was in the fast serving another nineteen years, so 456 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, um that was those books was definitely incredible, 457 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: and he just introduced me to so many different authors, man, 458 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: just authors that I have never heard of, never you know, 459 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: begin you know, to even think that was super duper dope, 460 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: Like a lot of people don't even you know, read 461 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: a lot of the different books that Robert Kiyosaki wrote, 462 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: but one of the dopest books that he wrote was 463 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: Retired Young Retired Rich. I mean, just so many different 464 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: authors that I was able to read, um, you know, 465 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: how to win people, win people and influence people by 466 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: Dale Carnegie. Just all kind of different authors that I 467 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: read up on and just read their books, and he 468 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: introduced me to a lot of them books. You know, 469 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,479 Speaker 1: a lot of our people, a lot of the viewers 470 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: out there, have never been to prison before. Give us 471 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: a brief summary of prison life in general. I mean 472 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: prisoners a place based on respect. Everything is dealt from 473 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: a place of respect. Everything is dealt on the place 474 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: of being on man time, and you being a man 475 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: first before any and all things. You know, I don't 476 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: care what kind of squabbles you got, I don't care 477 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: what kind of killer you is. If you go in 478 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: there looking for something, they're gonna give you what you're 479 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: looking for, whatever it is, whatever level you think when 480 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: you go in there on a respectable level, on some 481 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: man time, you know, and whatever adversity come your way, 482 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: you handle it immediately. And a lot of times that's 483 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: you know through you know, whether it's we get down 484 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: going run one or if it needs even be to 485 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: go to another level where we gotta go get that knife. 486 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: You know, however it needs to be dealt with, it's 487 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: gonna get debt with, and it's gonna get dealt with 488 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: quickly and fast. Another thing with prison, especially being around 489 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: a lot of the individuals. Is you gotta go, You 490 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: gotta get a homies, that paperwork, because these are the 491 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: people that you're gonna be living with essentially sometimes a decade, 492 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: sometimes multiple decades. And a dude just want to know 493 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: that you solid you know here on you know, you're 494 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: sitting here eating soups and snacks and fun packs and 495 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: you fucked up. That's that's the ultimate disrespect. If you 496 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: fucked up, you fucked up. Understand that. Understand that this 497 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: ain't the place for you to be. And and when 498 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: you're moving in there, everything is gonna be on respect time. 499 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: You're not gonna What's so crazy is once you see 500 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: that violence jump off, everybody's super respectful because they understand 501 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: that that violence could take place in the in the 502 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: inkling of a second, and that violence come in your life. 503 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: It could mean your asswhoops severely, just in an inkling, 504 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: and in there is just every day it's the monotony 505 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: of doing the same thing over and over all and 506 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: over and over and it's repetitive, and it's you become programmable, 507 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: and you're on a program. So at this time, you 508 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: wake up at four thirty in the morning, at six o'clock, 509 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: you hear the yard call, you do the same thing 510 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,959 Speaker 1: day in day out, you become desensitized to you know, 511 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: you guys, it's a big hoorade for the holidays, but 512 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: when you're away from loved one's family members and you 513 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: in a place whereas Graham and it's dark, you become 514 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: desensitized to it. And the only way you're able to 515 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: get any information or understand what's going on in the 516 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: real world is through need literature that comes through, whether 517 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: it be a newspaper, whether it be magazines, or what 518 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: you see through the bubble, and you're living through a 519 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: bubble pretty much and watching the television. That's the only 520 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: way you know what's going on in the real world 521 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: out there and through phone calls and emails. So that's 522 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: how prison is. It's just on a respect level. Like 523 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: if someone's going to the shower and it's a line 524 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: of closed, you can't just walk and just go in 525 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: to the shower and just take a shower at leisure. No, 526 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: it's people before you, and that I get you caught 527 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: up in wreck immediately. You can't put your hands on 528 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: somebody outside of your race. That will get your ass 529 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: disciplined immediately. You can't eat from somebody else. You can't. 530 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: I don't care how bamba tacos. They look like they're 531 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: over there making you ben I take your ass over 532 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: there and getting none. And that's just how prison is. 533 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: You know where you watch TV, you watch TV, where 534 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: our TVs is at. You know a lot of dudes like, 535 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: oh man, I'm gonna do what. No, no, no, no 536 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: no no. Ain't no man bigger than the program. Ain't 537 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: nobody bigger than the car. No matter how big you is, 538 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: you become this small when you walk into prison because 539 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: all you got is your people and that's it. And 540 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna do what they say when they're saying and 541 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: how it's done, and you pretty much you know you won't. 542 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: You you ain't on your time. You you're on the 543 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: cars time. And how it's gonna move, it's how you're 544 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: gonna move. Now, when did you get the news? I 545 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: want to go back to the exact day and the time, 546 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: and how you feel the rare emotions that were running 547 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: through your body when you found out she was getting 548 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: out of prison. Oh wow, I mean I had waited 549 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: for so long and they finally gave me a date, 550 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: And I want to say, it was like April eleven, 551 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: And what it is is is you're waiting for the 552 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: Halfway House to give you a date. So that was 553 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: an emotional thing in itself. And so imagine that rush 554 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: of emotion. And then when COVID came, it pushed that 555 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: date again to May eighteenth. May eighteenth is when of 556 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: is when I walked out of a federal facility. And 557 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: I never forget that morning between my bunk because at 558 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: that time we didn't have access to the yard because 559 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: of the COVID situation and how rampant it was, and 560 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: I had just did a thousand push us right there 561 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: between the bunks, and I jumped in the shower as 562 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: I usually do around that time, and I never forget. 563 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: I heard the officer come up outside of the booth, 564 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: Williams six three one seven four one one too, Williamson 565 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: roll that ship up, and I said, roll it up. 566 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: And so homies just converged on me, and everything was 567 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: pretty much dispensed out. You know, all your belongings pretty 568 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: much is you know, spoken fold, all your comrades and friends. 569 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: You know, the homie get these shoes, he get these books, 570 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: these headphones, go over there to him, all of these 571 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: soups go to homie over there, everything pretty much has 572 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 1: already spoken for before you go. So everything was spoken 573 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: fold and everybody converged and you know, hugs and you 574 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: know smiles, you know, and that moment your stomach just 575 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: bubbling and rumbling, like damn, I'm gonna go home, my 576 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: nigga finally, Like I never forget that feeling, like just 577 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: the excitement, the rush, just like damn at you'd be 578 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: scared at the same time though too, like you know, 579 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: like damn, what the funk like because you've become I 580 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: don't like to saying like this, but it's like a 581 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: low key home. So you used to this environment, you 582 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: used to doing things this way. You used to I know, 583 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: the showers, I got the showers, I got this bunk. 584 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: It's it's kind of it's a taboo to people who 585 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: have never been there, but for somebody who've been there, 586 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, you've become accustomed to and so that fear 587 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: comes in. And even though the excitement is the first rush, 588 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: but then it's like an excitement slash fiery emotion like 589 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: oh ship, oh ship, damn damn, but the excitement is 590 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: still They're like damn, what I'm gonna eat. What I'm 591 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: gonna dude, I'm gonna get some pussy. I wanted to drinks, 592 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: have me a drink, you know. So it was just 593 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: a whole ball of emotions, man, a whole ball of them. 594 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: Like like, man, it's like getting a brand new car, 595 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: you know. Prison. Actually I didn't get picked up from prison. Um. 596 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 1: What happens is is that, uh, I ended up catching 597 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: They gave me a bus. They give you a two 598 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: dollar They gave me a two hundred dollar card, and 599 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 1: they give you two hundred dollars. And then on top 600 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: of the two hundred dollars, I had got all the 601 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: money that was on my books from you know, my 602 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: activities in there, but all of it is put on 603 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: a card and so pretty much they give you a 604 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: bus um ticket. So the van puts you in the 605 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: van and then they drive you to the bus station. 606 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: So when I got to the bus station, I'll never forget. 607 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 1: I must have walked damn near fifteen Literally, I walked 608 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: like fifteen blocks, and I never forget. I walked right 609 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: into a CVS and I bought you know, at that time, 610 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 1: I had never you know, it's different now I've been 611 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: out for a while, but I've seen the phone and 612 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 1: it was in the pack and I'm like, it's twenty dollars. 613 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: But I got bought the phone. Boom boop. Walked all 614 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: the way back to the bus station because my bus 615 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: didn't come until later, and that bus take you to 616 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 1: the downtown Greyhound station. So you know, I'm so out 617 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: of the loop. You just imagine being gone for nine years. 618 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: I don't know how to operate none of this ship 619 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: when I when I left, it was still buttons on 620 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: phones and ship. It wasn't no Facebook, was no Instagram. Really, 621 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: Facebook had just really started pretty much. So um, the 622 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: dude took my phone. He was from the camp and 623 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: he just threw the program to put the card on 624 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: there and I was able to make a phone call 625 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: the hot and uh, how had me this extra bomb 626 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: uber to come pick me up like a limo uber 627 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: and all that ship food and all kind of stuff 628 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: up in there for me. So my brother was the 629 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: first one to in gratiate. Make sure you know I 630 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: was straight this best bomb man. Let me ask you this, 631 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: what did you eat when you first good out? What 632 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,399 Speaker 1: did I eat? Damn? It seemed like what did I eat? 633 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: What was the first thing that I ate? I wait 634 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: a minute, what did I eat? He sent me some food? 635 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: I had some food he sent in the uber. It 636 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: was like a breakfast or something like that, a bomb 637 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: ass breakfast, and so I ate that on the way 638 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: to the half house because I only had twenty four 639 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: hours to get to the halfway house. So that night 640 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: I was just so in thralled with the phone. I 641 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: just stayed at the bus station. And so when he 642 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: sent the Uber Deluxe or whatever it was it suv 643 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: do with the little like a little limb or whatever not. 644 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: So I think it was like a breakfast in there, 645 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: and I ate all of that ship. And that was 646 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: the first, uh street food I had ate because I 647 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 1: didn't eat anything at the bus station or at the 648 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: other bus station, So it was like a like a 649 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: breakfast thing or whatever. Not. Now, before we end, man, 650 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a very important question. I want 651 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: you to think about a little bit with the prison 652 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: cost you. Wow, you know, my crime was worth twenty 653 00:38:52,880 --> 00:39:00,720 Speaker 1: million dollars twenty million, twenty million, that's what the government 654 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: charged me. My actual loss was far less, but the 655 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: price that was even greater than the twenty million when 656 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: you take a look at it on a deeper level 657 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: and scale. So I took thirty thousand credit cards. So 658 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:28,280 Speaker 1: these thirty thousand credit cards belonged to thirty thousand people 659 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: at one point or another that went somewhere and probably 660 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: tried to swipe that card, whether it was a soccer 661 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,879 Speaker 1: mom pulling up to McDonald's with her kids, just trying 662 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: to get something to eat for our kids going after school, 663 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: and trying to swipe that card, and it declined, that's 664 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:58,839 Speaker 1: one of the thirty thousand people. My children we're left 665 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: without leadership, without father, without guidance. My mother was left 666 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: without her son. My brothers were left without counsel, My 667 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: wife was left without a spouse and a provider and 668 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,760 Speaker 1: a love. And me I was inside of a federal 669 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 1: correctional facility. I once read a thing said that rich 670 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: people measure riches and materialism, but the wealthy measure wealth 671 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: and time. So when you understand time is the most 672 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: valuable commodity that one could have, that every fortune five 673 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: company is trying to commoditize. Then information, then leverage, and 674 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: then part of leverage would be money. M I gave away. 675 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:11,280 Speaker 1: I traded nine years, two months for twenty million dollars 676 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:17,720 Speaker 1: in fraud. The people, the places, the connections, the relationships 677 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: that I could have created and made, the time with 678 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: my children, all of that was lost. My grandmother used 679 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: to say that when we die, we die with our memories. 680 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,439 Speaker 1: We don't take nothing else from this earth. We take 681 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 1: with us our memories. Imagine there was no winner. Everybody lost. 682 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: My children lost, my wife lost, the thirty thousand people 683 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: who owned those cards lost, my brother's loss, and most 684 00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:03,319 Speaker 1: of all I was lost. It was much much. The 685 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 1: time I gave away was the most valuable things that 686 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,920 Speaker 1: one could have. I can't go back and get back 687 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 1: a nine years two months of my life. You gotta realize, 688 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: even though our life seemed like it's long, man, this 689 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: ship short. I'd have lost so many people to natural 690 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: causes or violent deaths while I was in and all 691 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: the way to now. You can't get back time. You 692 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: could always get money, like we were just previously saying 693 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: ship poor is temporary, but I mean being broke is temporary, 694 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: but poor is eternal forever. I can easily go get 695 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: some money, but I can't go get back that time. 696 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: I can't