WEBVTT - Kim Gordon 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:12.479 Request Left show is a production of iHeart radio. 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:26.200 Ladies and gentlemen, I cannot lie to you and say 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.680 that our guest today has had some sort of hand 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.880 and luring my very band to a certain label called 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:39.279 GEFN DGC, even long before we met. As the co 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:43.760 founder of the legendary band Sonic Youth, our guests has 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:49.640 crafted a movement for more than four decades, inspiring anyone 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.440 worth their grain of salt of greatness. Name them Nirvana's 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:59.920 Magic Pumpkins, Pixie's Pavement, Dinosaur Jr. Pro Jam, Whole Radiohead Sugar. 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.560 I mean, the list goes on and on and on. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.440 I mean this is the definition of when you hear 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:09.040 people say like your artist's favorite or that meta rabbit hole. 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.280 Our guests and bodies that today she said countless of 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:15.520 I be here all day. We even just talk about 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:21.440 the collaborations, always pushing the boundaries of creativity and staying fresh. 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:25.600 An architect of patron, saint of many movements, pioneer of 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:28.560 the downtown scene. Are you embarrassed when we come with 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:30.399 way too many superlatives like. 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:33.560 She's long for the daylight? Ladies and gentlemen, you. 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.280 Can check out the imposter syndrome. 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:39.759 For sure, I get the coolest bass player ever. Thank 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.520 you Kem Gordon for coming to the Quest Left Show. 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.800 Appreciate it. How WI great to see you. All right. 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.320 Well, that's what I want to start with because I 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:53.360 know that oftentimes there's the battle the idea of you 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.800 versus what you feel is the authentic you. So to 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:58.600 break the ice, I always wanted to ask you this, 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.840 Can you tell me three things that you think are 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:02.840 uncool about you? 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:06.960 Well? I guess mostly like I don't think I'm cool, 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:14.520 like I do battle like this kind of feeling of 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.960 awkwardness to some extent, you know, unless I'm in a 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:24.280 flow of working or doing something. You know, like I 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:30.520 have a basket of different socks that I wish I 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:32.560 could just get rid of and start over. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.360 I don't know, you know what, Actually, it's funny you 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:41.200 mentioned that I kind of did that last week. I 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.120 don't know why I decided to just have a sea 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:46.680 change of all my T shirts, mind to wear my socks. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:51.320 I decided getting rid of whatever has collectively like just 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.320 been there for the last decade and a half and 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.440 just start over fresh. I don't know if that's my 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.520 version of just getting a new haircut. I'm gonna change 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.200 mind to where it started. 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:05.120 Actually, you know, it's weird. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:11.280 I probably met you in the most ideal way whatsoever. 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.560 So when you walk in a room, do you feel 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.840 sort of self conscious because you know that there's an 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:22.400 expected cool factor that we've tagged on you? Or do 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.080 you just feel like you just blend in and no 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:25.720 one knows that you've walked in? 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:26.119 Yeah? 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.160 I pretty much don't think anyone's gonna know who I am. 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.280 Okay, so am I allowed to say where we first met? 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:34.600 Where we were at a. 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:39.800 New Year's e party at uh Natasha, right Natasha's house. 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.880 It was so spot on and cliche that I was like, yeah, 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:49.160 of course, Kim Gordon just walks into a Neyear's party 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.560 inside in Natasha's house and is the coolest person in 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.160 the room. Literally, like seven of us like just hushed 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.880 down and then almost felt like our pressure was getting 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:00.800 to you because I wanted to say something to you, 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.480 but then I was like, no, she's probably in her 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:05.880 head right now, so I didn't say it. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:07.360 But then eventually I did talk to you. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.320 But do you often feel that we're talking like geeking 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:10.960 out over you? 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:11.720 Or just no? 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:16.120 I mean honestly, like, I think that's that's the last 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:20.160 thing I think, okay, And I'm kind of a shy person, 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:26.080 so people maybe expect me to be different, so they 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.839 think I'm cool because well, I'm not saying a lot. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.120 Can I ask you, what's the best compliment you've ever 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:37.080 received that you actually received it without like the imposter 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.160 syndrome like sort of ducking out. 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:43.960 Gosh, I don't know. I mean, I know someone said 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.720 from my last record that I was a genre on 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:52.920 to myself, which I guess I relate to that, okay, 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.039 because I don't really like to think in terms of 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.919 music genres or anyway. 0:04:57.960 --> 0:04:59.840 Well, I was going to ask later, when you create, 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.920 are you sort of of the moment you don't know 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:07.719 what's going to happen the second that you whatever you 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.640 deemed your studio home base, do you know what's going 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:13.600 to happen? Or are you a person that has to 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:15.719 like pre plant way ahead of time? 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.520 And then no, I'd. 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:23.560 Like spontaneity and improvisation a lot. So I mean when 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.720 I work with Justin, like, he'll send me some you know, 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.560 beats and things, and I'll figure out what it is 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:34.440 I feel drawn to and then you know, kind of 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.480 write some lyrics. But then when I go in and 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:43.320 put guitar down to make it kind of messier. You know, 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:47.240 it's like having a white canvas, like you can't it's 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:48.719 hard to paint on a white canvas. 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.960 You have to right anyway. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.320 And then I'll but I'll tend to not really know 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.960 exactly where things are going to fall. And then sometimes 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.239 I'll just think, will just come out of my mouth, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.200 you know, Okay, what the hell is that? 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:05.160 Can you tell me? 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:06.760 What are the things that you did in the first 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.440 twenty minutes of your day today? 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.640 Well, I guess I looked at my stupid phone. Okay, 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.920 I'm saying it. A friends my galleries, and so I 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:19.720 went down on made tea and I talked to her. 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.720 She just came back from the Miami Yard for her and. 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:26.359 Okay, all right, this is rather random non sequitor. But 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.960 I'll just ask what is the bravest thing that you 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:30.200 think you've ever done? 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.920 That's a tough one. I guess the bravest thing maybe 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:40.560 was deciding to become pregnant and have a baby. It's 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.120 sort of like a world of unknown. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.040 I want advice on that. I want advice on that 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.400 because of all the members of the roots, I'm the one. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.880 That's childless still, okay, because I still. 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.120 Think in terms of like, ah, this will slow me down. 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.440 Oh this has slowed me down. But I'll also say 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:02.840 that me coming to grips with that level of vulnerability, 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.400 you know, I'm a very calculated or if I fail, 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:07.239 I need to perfect this verse. 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:08.000 I'm not. 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:12.040 You know, we're the manual instructions for this, and I 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:13.760 feel like that's one of the things where you just 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:18.280 have to fuck it, like just let it happen. Yeah, 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:22.280 right now, I'm probably as close as I've ever been 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.920 to just like what else is left? 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:25.440 Yeah? 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.720 Dog, you did everything, Like it's not going to get 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:29.520 more perfect than this. 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.840 What was that feeling like really just giving in? 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:37.680 Because I'm actually asking from an advice standpoint, how do 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.640 you allow yourself the vulnerability to accept that type of love? 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:43.880 I don't know. I mean, it's just like, you know, 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.560 first of all, you you only live once that we know, 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.120 so I don't know. I just felt like, oh, there's 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:56.560 just like a whole set of experiences and there's something 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:00.600 about when you have someone to take care of that's 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.160 really dependent on you. It takes you out of your head, 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:08.920 you know, in a nice way, and it's kind of 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:16.400 you know, it's funend I do. I mean, yes, obviously, 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.520 of course I highly recommend it. I'm not sure I 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.400 recommend having more than one. I only had one. But 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:27.480 I mean, you know, if you're like travel of you know, 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:32.000 you work a lot, you know, it's difficult. I think 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:37.079 it's harder for women because as equal as your relationship 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:42.280 can be, it's still kind of a lot falls to 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.960 the the mama somehow, you know, scheduling, Like you have 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:51.160 a certain urgency towards your when your baby cries because 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.040 it's hungry, Like you just want that's to stop, you know. 0:08:55.120 --> 0:09:00.240 Can you still be creative and balance? I think that's 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.480 the thing that I fear the most. Like I'm so 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:08.880 detail oriented that I almost feel as though I have to. 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.120 That's a bad metaphor to you. 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.200 I always use the term throw the baby out with 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:19.480 the bath water, but meaning just in terms of of 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.719 making sure that I'm one hundred percent present. Yeah, And 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.520 I just always figured you can't serve two gods in 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:30.080 the way that creativity is to me, for like music 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:34.280 and fulfilming, all those things that I spend way too 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.600 many hours doing that. But this is the closest I've 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:38.640 ever been to just. 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.800 Like, yeah, I don't know. I mean, it is a 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:47.079 big change, but you still manage to do everything pretty much, 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.480 you know, you just have to be more efficient, like 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:55.920 you have different priorities, I suppose, and I don't know. 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.720 My daughter's thirty one now, like you never really stop 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:05.640 worrying about your child. I have to say, yeah, that's difficult, 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:06.079 you know. 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:08.240 Thank you, I appreciate that. 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.600 Yeah, do you remember the very first creative project that 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:12.920 you've ever done in life? 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.480 When I was in kindergarten, I went to this lab 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.160 school at UCLA where you sort of learned by doing. 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.080 And I mean in kindergarten, right, you don't do that much. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:27.840 But we made clay elephants, like I learned the system, 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.200 like I was good with my hands, I guess, And 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:35.079 then so I guess that was my first creative Then 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:36.720 when I went to first grade, they had me go 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.200 back and teach the kindergarteners how to do it. 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:45.760 So obviously your love for visual arts was early in 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:46.760 this sort. 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:51.320 Of yeah informed, Yeah, it basically. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.120 Just sounds cliche, but yeah, I always just wanted to 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.000 be an artist. Gotcha, I just fell into playing music. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:01.040 So all right, Well, for me, I you know, gun 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.760 to my head, I probably would say I'm a DJ 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:09.240 more than anything. And maybe I forged this career in 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.640 a band so I could make money so I could 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.920 buy more records to be a DJ. 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.400 So but for you, you still you feel as though the. 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.240 I don't know, like visual arts or tangible arts or 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.040 that that's your true first love, like as a creator. 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.160 Yeah, okay, I mean I kind of think of myself 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.880 it's hard to explain, but as an artist first, like 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.000 an artist who makes music or an artist who writes. 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:37.960 Yeah, artists first. 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:43.640 Yeah, yeah, I don't think of myself as just It's 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:47.719 not exactly the same as just being a creative I 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.560 just I think spatially in a way. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.320 What's the transferable creative talent that you have that the 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:59.079 world doesn't know about? Like you play basketball? Are you 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:03.400 a gamer? What's your cooking skills? 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.040 Like? I don't know I am a good cook? I 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:07.600 don't know. I just I think I have a good 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:08.800 special sense. 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:15.160 That's a talent in terms of like functional and energy 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:15.680 in a room. 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:20.400 And yeah, I think what I like about playing music 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.280 in a way is like I was kind of wanted 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:24.920 to be a dancer at what point in my life? 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.280 And uh, I know, it's just there's a lot of 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.360 moving around on the stage, you know, and like you 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:35.840 have a sense of how you can bring something different 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:42.000 to what would be an expected rock show or something 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.880 by how you move and where you move and things 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:45.320 like that. 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:50.559 All right, So in your position in a band, an 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:57.000 iconic band, who's your north star? As a bass player, 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:02.600 who's in your mind? You're vicariously living through? Like I know, 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.600 I see the flea effect now with kids, were like 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:08.040 all of a sudden, you have a bunch of these 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:11.120 balancy kind of I'm like, okay, I know what you 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:11.559 grew up with. 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.640 But for you, who was your north star? 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:20.320 I actually liked a bass player of in DNA, this 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:21.080 guy Tim Wright. 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:21.640 Okay. 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:25.800 He used to play in his socks and he kind 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:29.679 of used a guitar like the way held he almost 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.560 held it sideways. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.280 Okay, and he would turn it's a weapon turn a lot. 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:36.000 Yeah. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.360 Okay, But I don't play bass so much anymore, like 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:43.000 I've been. I haven't played bass since the last Sonic 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:43.439 Youth gig. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.880 Okay, but what was that also. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.840 But he was he was. He definitely inspired me. 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:56.000 Yeah, gotcha and Sid Vicious, right of course? 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:01.920 Of course, what are the first three records that you 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:03.079 remember purchasing? 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:07.520 Well, there's it's probably like a Beatles single, okay, but 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.600 I don't remember which one. Like I used to walk 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.959 up to the record store I lived in West LA 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.880 and you know, ask is what's it's the new single out? 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.080 You know? Okay, it's a new Beatles single out. 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.000 So Beatles forty five would. 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:21.280 Be one of them. 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:26.160 Yeah, I had a Roy Orbison single. I think pretty Women. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:31.880 I had a Rolling Stones record, okay, like the first one. Maybe. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.120 Well let me ask what three records that you own? 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.600 Do you think that we would be shocked that you 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.160 listen to Tusk? 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.000 I remember the day that Tusk came out, and it 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.560 was like a marching band song, right, like they used 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.520 marching band drums in the title track. 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.320 And it was a double album. I remember them, not 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:56.960 like is it a triple It. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.680 Was a double album, but I remember them. It came 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.000 out with I was nine, right, so I don't have 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:06.120 like real time memories, but I remember them panning the 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:07.160 shit out that record. 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.680 So yeah, people hated that record. 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:16.080 So do you gravitate towards what we're not supposed to? 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.600 Like, Well, that's funny. I mean I didn't actually get 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:24.160 into that record to like two thousand and nine. 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:25.960 But did you get into it because everyone else didn't 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:26.200 like it? 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:30.760 Well, I don't know, Like it's funny. My friend Bill Nace, 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:34.520 who have this guitar improvtu I would. I don't know 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:38.800 whether he just found it like in our shelf and 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:42.160 he started playing it. We both just became obsessed with 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.840 it and listened to it endlessly, And I have to 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.960 say it's like the worst cover art ever, right, which 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:55.440 I think was super expensive and yeah, way over budget 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.040 the whole thing. But I don't know, is something about 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.960 that record it reminds me I need to go home 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:05.280 and play I've heard it in a while now. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.160 For me, I think that I'm curious about departure records. 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:13.800 When I first started teaching at NYU, I'm always interested 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.720 in the psychological angle, Like Okay, sly Stone has. 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.920 That's a great documentary. By the way, Oh thank you 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:22.400 both of your documentaries. 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:23.200 I appreciate it. 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:28.120 Yeah, like Slide had such pop success with stand that, 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.440 why does he do this dark ass record or why 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.400 would Prince follow up Purple Range with Around the World 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:39.600 on the Day? What did Fleetwood Macfield after the rise 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.240 of rumors, like, you know, to not ruin it, but 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.600 not say you're scared so that you know this departure, 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.720 I'm in a backfire for the Beatles, like Sergeant Peppers 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.480 was hey, let's do show tunes and timpan Alley and 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.760 it backfired. Yeah, So I'm always curious that when a 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:01.120 band gets to that place where they're so big, do 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:02.040 they follow up? 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:03.320 I know this is a weird take. 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.719 I admire Michael Jackson for trying to even think that 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.680 he could top thriller like, oh, forty million, I'm gonna 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.800 try one hundred million, which, yes, the quantity. 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.240 Of it all is what. I also feel. 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:23.080 Michael Jackson away literally and air quotes, but I actually 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.520 admire the balls for him to actually say, now, I'm 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.199 not going to do the cover record, or let me 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.879 do my jazz record or my Joni Mitchell FaZe like 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:34.080 whatever that is. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:50.000 So that'd be interesting, right, What is your all time 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:51.240 favorite food? 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.920 I don't know, like I like so many so much. 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:58.800 I like, like maybe sobaz Okay, you know, I love 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:03.080 French food too, you know, actually soup to poison last night. 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:06.280 It was delicious, okay, but I there was something about 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:10.800 so much to me that's so kind of pure okay 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:12.720 and delicious. 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.280 Gotcha. What's the last thing that you made for yourself? 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.800 It was not probably roast chicken? 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:27.000 Okay. Yeah, So keeping with the fringe, fancy, what's your 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:28.080 all time favorite cereal? 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.680 Paleo Grinella him erewhon. 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.240 Yeah, even the way you sold it to me was 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:41.640 like cool? 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.000 Really, I mean I don't really eat cereal? 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:45.760 You educated Cereal? I get it. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:49.520 There's yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just I basically 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.679 don't feel like I've eaten anything if I have a Cereal? 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:53.600 Okay, that's a lot. 0:18:54.320 --> 0:19:01.080 What TV show best describes your childhood, oh man? Or 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.520 what TV show did you ever fantasize being a part. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:08.000 Of I loved Mister ed Talking Horse? 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:09.200 That was your favorite? 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:14.400 It was one of my favorites. Yeah, that in seventy 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.560 seven Sunset strip? When is that older? 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:18.080 Like? 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.040 In fact, I would drive down Sunset trying to find 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:23.360 the spot where. 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:26.520 The opening yeah the opening was? 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:31.879 Yeah? Yeah, where's words? Kookie or whatever his name is? 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:32.679 Got it? 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.800 Do you binge watch anything on television now, like, have 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:38.479 you adapted to streaming culture? 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:39.040 Yes? 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.480 I what's your favorite ure? Well? 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.720 I really enjoyed Line of Duty. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.040 Okay, it's a. 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:54.520 BBC cop show about police corruption. I like all those 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.119 shows about police corruption and were. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:19:58.800 You a Wirehead? 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.680 The Wire? I mean yeah, those those are the classic shows, 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.320 you know, got It, Got the Wires? Maybe my all 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:07.919 time favorite show, Gotcha? 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:09.000 Yeah? 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:13.200 In your childhood bedroom the posters ever adorn your wall? 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.000 Who adorned your wall in your childhood bedroom? 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:18.480 I think Dylan probably? 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.919 Okay, yeah, what era Dylan are you most loyal to? 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.480 Oh? Only the early stuff. I actually don't really like 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:28.840 anything after nineteen seventy. 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.520 All right, so you're you're not a self portrait. I 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:37.239 came into Dylan weird. My parents became the way that, 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.800 like Reagan's Christian America just washed over the black community. 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:43.879 My introduction to Dylan was Christian Dylan. 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:48.960 Oh wow, yeah, I don't even know if I know 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:49.960 Christian Dylan. 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:53.040 Oh god, yeah, Like to this day, I'm the only 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.720 when I told him, like, when you're going to wake 0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:01.760 up like his on the yellow slow train coming like 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.320 I told him that, and he just looked at me, 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:10.280 like I'm so sorry, Wow, Well, yeah, I started with 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.600 his three Christian awn period and I think what I 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:19.240 think Infidels broke that in eighty three. But I always 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:26.199 get into the wrong rock album for every band, Like 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:29.760 you know, you asked eight year old me, I'll be like, yeah, 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:36.080 man Satanam Majesty's requests, it's cool, right, was like yeah, no, 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:40.800 But I just always as a cool cover. Yes, there 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:44.520 you go, that's there, that's their one saving grace. But 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.520 you know, as I got older, then, of course there 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.560 were people that set me straight. 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:50.960 But yeah, I picked. 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.960 I had an older brother too. He sort of make 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:57.280 fun of me, like you don't know what he's talking about. Really, 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.360 it's like, who does know what Dylan was actually talk 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:00.760 came about? 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:03.239 Were you the family black Sheep in terms of like 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:04.320 your tastes. 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:05.760 And no, not at all. 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:08.400 Oh they were. There were more that were. 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:15.040 Well, my brother was super eccentric person who later became schizophrenic, 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:18.359 but and he was always getting into trouble. 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:19.480 Okay, So. 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:22.119 I was a goody goody one. 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:25.640 Do you remember the first concert you ever attended? 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:29.679 Actually, the first concert I ever went to was in 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:34.120 Hong Kong when I was living there, when I was twelve. 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:37.200 It was Herman's Hermit's. 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:41.399 On an army base or no, it was my dad. 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:44.760 Was a professor ATLA and he took some students there 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:49.680 to start a study program at the college Chinese University, 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:56.040 and they came while we were there and played. Yeah, 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:57.120 they did a concert. 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:01.720 I now know that when you do worldwide like, people were. 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:07.159 Somewhat different now, but yeah, I know that back then, like, 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:09.720 concerts were very different in terms. 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:14.520 Of I mean, I actually don't remember, okay very much. 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.760 I remember like in the the hotel bars there that 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:24.360 sort of pretty young Chinese girls would wear boufont dresses 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:26.000 and play beetle covers. 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.560 Okay, okay, So this is different than the first records 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:33.000 you owned because CD culture came later. Do you remember 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:35.240 the very first CD that you purchased? 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:44.199 Ah? No, thank you. CDs are just like you know, 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:47.240 they might have been things we blagged from the record 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:48.760 label or something, you know, right. 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:51.920 Oh yes, I was going to say, oh wait a minute, 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:53.720 so I asked, we sad this question, So I got 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:56.960 to ask you this question. Another main reason why there's 0:23:57.000 --> 0:24:00.560 so much reverence and respect for you guys is simply 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:04.240 because of the insane amount of times that Sonic Youth 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:09.040 Records have fed the roots in terms of okay, and 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:11.080 but by you saying what you said, I know that 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:14.919 this isn't just something that's unique to me, which is 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:18.679 you always visit the record label, You go into the 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:23.280 supply closet, you take all the CDs right, and then 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.240 you go to the village and sell them the bleaker 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:30.400 bobs and then you know, Weezer said that they too 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:34.040 lived off of the Blue Album and Piggerton by selling 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:35.120 their own CDs too. 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:38.080 Oh that's funny. I mean we when we first signed 0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:45.640 to Geffen or we took a bunch of stuff like 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:49.520 like the guns and roses, welcome mat It's like Madonna 0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:50.919 candles and. 0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:56.560 The shame. I felt like, hey, what's that over there? 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.080 And like you like the pink panthers. 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:04.240 Like us, you know, like the trench coat with three 0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:06.520 people stacked on top of each other, Like that's us. 0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:10.760 Like take your shit out of the studio just to 0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:12.200 get money on Fridays. 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:16.600 Yeah, I'll say, ah, ecstasy, Sonic Youth. 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:21.080 Just I can't believe that we influenced your decision to 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:22.240 signed a gun. 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:23.840 Well, you know, it's weird. 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:29.359 I had a manager that so something happened like around 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:35.160 ninety to ninety three where he realized that because of 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:40.919 us being a band, that that opened more doors than 0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.399 like there was no hip hop whatsoever really in Philly 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:49.040 except for like specialized what about Yeah, But he would 0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:54.120 have to play rap shows and we got like the 0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:59.399 last days of like Nirvana being the household secret, like 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:04.280 they play j C. Dobbs maybe a month before we 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:04.879 played j C. 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:05.440 Dobbs. 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:10.439 So I think that my manager figured out a way 0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:15.800 that by ninety three ninety four, certain hip hop groups 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:19.480 could sort of fit on the alternative stages, so like 0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:24.080 us doing Lollapalooza or anything with Jay's Addiction or anything 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:29.160 with like just that first, Like you guys are probably 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:32.359 the only guys that we didn't open for, but pretty 0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:34.520 much a big. 0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:37.280 Part of our growing as a group. 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:42.600 Number one, whenever Wu Tang would mess up, we'd be 0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:45.800 the band of the call, Hey Wu ta claim's not 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:47.119 going to make it next week to da da Da 0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:49.399 da da ke you guys feeling, So that was like 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:51.720 half of it, and then the other half would just 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:56.800 be us being the open act, like like Cypress Hill 0:26:57.000 --> 0:27:00.359 and public Andomy really had to pay almost a tiny 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:05.640 credibility price because the rule was rap groups should only 0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:09.159 be a rap shows only, and if you're not with 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:12.600 if you're opening for you too, if you're selling out, 0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:16.960 like right, right, So those guys called major flack and 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:18.360 then around ninety. 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:20.880 Three like no one cared anymore. That's when we arrived 0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:24.000 and literally like oh interesting, right when the sea change happened. 0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:29.680 Have you ever gone karaoke? Never? You've never gone karaoke? 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:33.359 No, Okay, to be fair, I've only been twice in 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:35.720 my life, and I think both times we're in Japan. 0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:39.800 But I head scratched at people that love karaoke because 0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.520 it's like, I tell my perform for a living so 0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:46.000 and to me, the only enjoyable karaoke is when people 0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:51.520 sound horrible. So that would never happen, so you would 0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:53.280 never be course whatsoever. 0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:55.720 To Yeah, I did. I did a song, a cover 0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:59.040 song that way for Addicted to Love. You know, they 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:02.600 just have these this booth on Saint Mark's Okay, So 0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:05.520 I went there and I did that. And it was 0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:09.360 when the band was in the studio making shit up 0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.080 for the Weddy album, right, And I was kind of 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.399 not down with that because it was just three guys 0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:21.239 like wasting lime, gotcha? And then I took that and 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:23.480 actually took it back to the studio. We sped it 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:26.760 up a little, and then I went to Macy's and 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:28.840 made a video because I used to have these for 0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:31.520 nineteen ninety nine. You could go in and yeah, it 0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:35.240 tell us my favorite video. Just so great to like 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:39.440 walk out pay nineteen ninety nine and have a two 0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:40.280 camera shoot. 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:44.880 Right. Okay, what song do you love that you think 0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:49.800 everybody hates? Of our songs or a vinye song creator? 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:52.080 Jeez, that's a tough question. 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.800 Okay, have you ever made a mixtape for someone? 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.400 I did make a mixtape for some actor once. 0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:02.880 Okay, remember what was on it? 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:04.840 Sorry? 0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:07.640 All right? If you were to make me a mixtape 0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.000 with three songs would have to be on it? Having 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:12.120 not really known me, well, I. 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:17.000 Guess I would put a Brigitte Fontaine our ensemble of 0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:19.160 I forget the name of the record, but. 0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:24.160 Have you of Chicago or yeah, I might own it. 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:30.240 They did an improv session together, Okay, Okay, noy the 0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:31.040 Pink record? 0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:31.800 Okay? 0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:35.800 Can I ask what song has the power to make 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:39.200 you cry no matter how many times you hear it? 0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:40.640 Instantly? Maybe? 0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:42.760 Uh, Cortes the Killer. 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:44.840 What is it about it? 0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:47.480 No, yeah, I don't know. It's just like the melody. 0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.920 It's like what he hits this one, you know something? 0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:55.800 Okay, when this gives me to this day and I'm 0:29:56.280 --> 0:30:01.080 I'm mad that it's not as accessible. But the Philadelphia 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.040 song that Neil Young sings, I know people know the 0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:08.240 Streets of Philadelphia by Springsteen for that soundtrack, but when 0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:11.280 the credits go up, Neil Young has I mean, you know, 0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:15.280 like he has a very heartbreaking sounding like sensitive voice. 0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:21.080 But Neil Young singing his version of Philadelphia that has 0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:23.760 nothing to do with the Springsteen version it is. 0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:26.280 It is like one of the most heartbreaking. 0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:27.320 I have to check it out. 0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:31.280 One time I had to make a funeral mix and 0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:32.280 I thought. 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:38.200 We put me moody sass songs on there, and it 0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:42.400 came up and I realized I overdid it, so like 0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:44.320 me running back to the ipile. 0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:46.200 Like trying to turn something else on. 0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:52.000 Okay, So I feel like your Downtown scene you'r Hashtager 0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:56.280 quote Downtown scene is well for me. The neo soul 0:30:56.360 --> 0:31:00.560 scene was supposed to be where I don't know if 0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:03.280 I owned it. I did completely disown it. But for you, 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:06.520 what's one of the biggest myths of the downtown scene 0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:09.600 that you always hear that never happened. 0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:15.360 Well, you know, in the eighties, especially early eighties, people 0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:20.080 from Europe always wanted to come and do articles about 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.280 the crossover between the music scene and the art world, 0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:27.680 which kind of didn't exist. I mean, it did exist 0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:31.400 in the very early eighties, like during the kind of 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:35.440 the height of No Way Fans, and there were a 0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:39.200 lot of young artists who you know, were drawn and 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:43.160 kind of part of that scene. But then by the 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:47.480 mid eighties they were kind of just into their careers, 0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:53.080 you know, our careers, and and it was so it 0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:57.480 wasn't really what people thought it was in terms of 0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:01.680 this mecha like it was super bleak in the eighties, 0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:05.200 you know. Also, but that part is kind of I 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:07.720 guess I can be nostalgic about that a little bit. 0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:12.280 Who coined the term no wave and is that really truly? 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:13.840 Is it possible? 0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:18.360 Like is it just rejecting the idea of a title 0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:22.160 or is it kind of like you know, in the 0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:25.080 filmmaking world, where you know, Dog one ninety five was 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:29.000 supposed to be this like restrictive movement and whatnot, Like, 0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:31.080 were there rules to the. 0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:31.640 No Wave. 0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:34.640 Not really. I mean I think it was kind of 0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:38.000 I think it was kind of nihilistic actually, I mean 0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:43.960 I some people might disagree with me, but like when 0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:48.240 you know, punk was supposed to be this movement that 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:55.600 kind of obviously different fractions, but that destroyed rock, which 0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:58.800 it didn't. It was three cord rock and roll. It 0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:03.960 was just anti corporate, you know, it was different lyrics 0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:07.400 and a different sensibility of of what music was supposed 0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:13.720 to be. But No Wave was actually really deconstructed rock, 0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:17.560 like you didn't necessarily have. There's a lot of dissonance 0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:24.720 and density, and it seems just peculiar to New York, 0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:31.360 although Japan was kind of parallel, and Japan they had 0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:34.720 art movements that came post to World War Two, right 0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:39.040 like no Theater and anyway, it was kind of a 0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:46.200 nihilistic attitude, and so it's kind of interesting that that 0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:50.440 was pretty much particular to New York. And maybe the 0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:54.920 influence of like free jazz and you know, other different 0:33:55.400 --> 0:34:02.880 sounds minimalist composition, you know, Lama Young and junk age 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:05.560 and people like that. You know, I think that sort 0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:07.800 of contributed to it a bit. But it was also 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:11.680 just a feeling of like, no, this is this song 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.960 isn't going to have like a beginning of middle ement, 0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:18.560 And to me it was very free music and that's 0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:20.320 what inspired me to play music. 0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:24.120 Gotcha, are any of the. 0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:30.440 Rules that you placed on yourselves for that period still 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:31.080 exists for you? 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:35.080 Yeah? Kind of in that the main rule was not 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:41.560 to really learn how to play music, which is kind 0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:44.640 of a technique in itself, I realize. 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.520 Okay, let's take if I would say the biggest year 0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:52.080 for Noise in my opinion, especially I havn't worked at 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:55.120 a record store that year, I would say eighty eight. 0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:58.240 Now it's not like I think there was a collective 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:05.920 meeting being had by various genres of music, but really 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:12.160 just this movement starts like how where are you guys 0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:16.760 that even in the black music world, Like what Public 0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:20.800 Enemy is about to start doing with this aggressive noise sound? 0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:24.719 Like for me, like the day that the first song 0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:27.680 that they experimented with in which they really tested the 0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:31.359 limits of like what the hell is that was when 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:33.800 they released a Rebel without a Pause in the summer 0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:34.400 of eighty. 0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:37.560 Seven, and it changed my walk. 0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:42.560 I almost had a hints in asque disposition in the hood. 0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:44.279 Hey guys, how you doing? You know? 0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:49.719 And you hear this and it changes you. Yeah, and 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:53.279 I realized, like, oh, this is my first soundtrack to 0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:58.560 teenage angst like whatever I feel. But in general, like 0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:03.440 what is the genesis of the embracing of dissonance? 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:07.120 And just was there a political anger in the air? 0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:10.520 Were you all Yoko Ona fans? Did you discover free 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.480 jazz and the sixties? Like what was it? I don't know. 0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:15.360 I mean, I think it was just a very gradual 0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:18.680 thing like we you know, like we were influenced by 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:24.920 the NOA Evands, We were influenced by free jazz. We 0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:28.000 we were certainly into Public Enemy and kind of related 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:33.040 to their music in terms of density. And you know, 0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:37.200 we were recording at the same studio they were. And 0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:42.080 this is Chum King No, it was Green Street, Green Street. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:43.920 I was about to say, just what was it like 0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:45.360 recording at Green Street? 0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:49.839 Beg man, Well, it was kind of funny because this 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.160 engineer we had had never done guitar music. 0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:55.080 Who's your engineer? 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:57.120 His name was Nick son Sana. 0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:59.600 Oh, Nick, yeah, Professor Nick Sonsano. 0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:03.560 Okay, we were the first guitar band he ever recorded. 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.160 And I don't know really what he thought, but it 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:11.759 was basically I think he understood it in terms of layers, 0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:14.680 you know, of sound, just the way he would record 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:18.600 with you know, Public Enemy or Yeah. 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:22.240 Professor Nick was one of the when I taught at NYU. 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:26.000 He's one of the co teachers also long like Nixon, 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.359 Sono did the Public Enemy records, like all the Bomb 0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:33.960 Squad stuff, Sonic Youth, like all these New York institutional bands. 0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:38.919 And then Bob Power also taught there and he's doing 0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:42.360 a tropical quest in De la Soul and eventually di'angelo 0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:43.960 the roots that. 0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:44.520 Stuff and so. 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:48.520 But Nick told me something mind blowing about just his 0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:52.520 lack of experience as an engineer during that time period. 0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:56.920 And he informed me that like we almost did no 0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:02.839 automation mixing on Public Enemy. All that stuff was pre done, wow, 0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:04.920 which if you know their music, you're like, well, this 0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:07.920 has to be a post thing, and it's like, no, 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.400 we always did it right preven. 0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:14.200 But for you in that time period, was it just 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:16.959 not knowing. 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:21.759 There were rules or just like purposely like how many 0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:26.239 we shouldn't do that or can't do that? Conversations were had. 0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:29.400 I mean not many, you know, probably there were just 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:33.759 discussions about well it shouldn't go into the red or 0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:34.760 too far or something. 0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:37.359 I'm not satisfied until it goes in the red. 0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:40.600 I don't know, like, uh, I'm not sure. Like he 0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:43.839 was just super like agreeable, you know, got it, and 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:47.600 we would try you know, Lee would try things out 0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:51.360 that we knew wasn't kinda and about the record but whatever, 0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:54.640 you know, like some of it did, you know, But yeah, 0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:58.480 I do recall. I think it was that studio where yeah, 0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:02.960 there'd be a number of fans on the board during mixing, 0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:03.359 you know. 0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:07.040 Right, and then you're just figuring out. 0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:10.960 So at the time, are you saying that both bands 0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:15.359 were making like you were making Daydream Nation and in the. 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:19.000 Other room they were in the the newer room, you know, 0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:21.680 the I think it was an automated board. Actually, yeah, 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:22.319 some kind of. 0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:26.719 So did you guys old board did you realize that 0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:30.160 you had two Nation albums in common at the time 0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:31.319 when you were making a. 0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:34.200 Little bad I mean that's where like, you know, we 0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:36.760 did cool thing and I asked Chuck if he would 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:38.880 come and do this like he did kind of the 0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:42.560 most cliche thing right, but it was perfect, you know. Okay, 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:50.160 but I just also remember uh waiting waiting for play, 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:54.440 if you know, everyone waiting for Flay to come and 0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:57.640 then for like days or something, and then eventually you'd 0:39:57.680 --> 0:39:59.920 hear like his floppy feet going down. 0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:20.480 I always wanted to know when the Geffen Records deal happened, like, 0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:21.560 was there ever. 0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:25.319 A worry of like being on a. 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:29.360 Major at the time, like you guys being on there 0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:32.040 was the cool factor. It was just like, oh, it's Geffen. 0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:34.759 It's cool because that's where they land, so it can't 0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:37.839 be that bad. But at the time, there was no 0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:42.480 you know, you guys had Donna Summer and Elton John. 0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.320 Yeah, I mean there was you know, like friends of ours, 0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:49.279 like or not friends, but Peers Whoskerdoo had signed to 0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:54.600 a major and replacements, and I don't know, I guess 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.359 we figured like we were just always frustrated at our 0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:01.640 lack of distribution, so we that's one reason why we 0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:05.919 did it, you know. And we were just like, well, 0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:07.919 we've been together for ten years, so if it doesn't work, 0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:12.719 fuck it. Yeah, okay, Yeah, And it was a struggle 0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:13.400 for sure. 0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:13.960 Okay. 0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:17.400 So one of the biggest misperceptions about my band is 0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:23.240 because credibility was a major key factor for us critical 0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:28.840 claim credibility. Yeah, there was also this sort of what 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:35.800 I will say, a kind of a false narrative, which 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:40.120 was basically that, oh, well, you guys don't care about success. 0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:42.799 Like they were always like, yeah, I like you guys 0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:44.200 because you know, you do what you want to do 0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:46.239 and the label supports what you want to do. And 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:48.000 I wish I could make music like you guys do. 0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:50.680 And I'm like, well, it's not like we're sun raw. 0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:53.320 This is we don't know how to write a good course. 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:58.840 So like no one told us that we should only 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.920 write sixteen bar and an easy course. 0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:04.439 Like so it's almost like I. 0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:09.440 Didn't know how to write accessible music and so but 0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:13.160 we basically got tagged with like, oh, well, we like 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:16.839 you guys because you don't care about success. Okay, So 0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:21.040 in eighty seven eighty eight, what does making it look 0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:25.480 like to you? Is it a this one job is 0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:27.640 all I need to do to live in this apartment 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:31.640 and pay all these bills? Or were you fine with 0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:34.799 a life where Okay, I play my band and sometimes, 0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.440 like the amount of people I've interviewed here and didn't 0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:37.919 know that. 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.720 You know, Millie Jackson's telling me that she would gig. 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:44.040 On the weekends, but then she used to work in 0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:47.279 the garment district from and this is with like Platinum Records. 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:48.799 Yeah, so for you. 0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:55.200 What does making it look like, especially when you're tagged 0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:58.560 with this credibility. 0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:01.200 But we kind of had part time jobs, or at 0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:04.360 least one of us did. But the thing is is 0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:07.319 that we were kind of smart in that we we 0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:13.160 had a separate English label that we licensed to as 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:17.440 well as a label here, so we would get licensing 0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:20.480 money from that, and you know when we kind of 0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:23.640 somehow got a little more money each time to record 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:26.960 it a better studio, which was would be Green Street. 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.399 I guess it just kind of, you know, was such 0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:32.799 a gradual thing when we did sign TOGEF and I 0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:37.479 guess we got I don't know, like it was kind 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:44.080 of it was a tough record because well, one thing, 0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:47.520 we did have some backlash, like Steve Albettie was like, 0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:52.319 you guys, you know, we didn't talk to see for 0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:57.600 a long time. But uh, but you know the thing 0:43:57.800 --> 0:43:59.960 was is that, yeah, we could do whatever we want, 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:03.680 but it's not like they really promoted our They didn't 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:06.160 give us a giant marketing budget either, but we were 0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:09.279 able to actually have our own record label, s YR, 0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:13.120 and put out vinyl and they actually never realized that 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:15.839 we were making money off of that. Not a lot, 0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:16.920 but you know, it's like. 0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:19.719 Is it frustrating. 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:26.480 Being in the Moses position where you know, the beginning 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:30.960 it was good for us, like this particularly sucks? Well, no, 0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:34.200 you know, this particular act that's opening for you is like, Wow, 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:35.760 you've done everything in the US. 0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:36.120 Cool. 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:40.480 And then like next year, oh, they're a massive square garden. Okay, cool, 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:45.920 and this next opening act that's after the seventh time, 0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:49.839 then my self esteem started to go down where it's 0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:53.840 just like ah, man, like I'm not saying why I 0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:55.800 used to joke back then, like I don't want to 0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:57.839 be Fishbone, Like I don't want to be the band 0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:04.239 so cool that just traffic directs everyone to go in 0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:06.319 the red carpet and then suddenly you're going on the 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:10.560 Moses arc thing and you can't have that what we 0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:13.919 used to call a Bentley moment. My manager's like, yeah, 0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:16.520 you guys just never had a Bentley moment. You didn't fail, 0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:20.400 but you just in your mind this idea of you 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:25.400 slow motion in clubs and you know, rap shit, we 0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:30.120 never have that. But for you guys, was a disappointed 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:35.399 not saying disappointing that you didn't get that level of vccolade, right, Yeah, 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:37.719 like to watch people that you influenced. 0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:43.120 Yeah, I mean not really. I mean Nirvana was such 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:48.200 an anomaly. And also I think our path had just 0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:51.680 been so like kind of slow and steady, and it 0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:54.560 allowed us to do other things that we wanted to do. 0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:59.160 And it's a fame like that as a it's just 0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:04.920 a freaky thing, gotcha. It really just brings up so much. 0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:11.160 So maybe other people in the band were more frustrated. 0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:13.400 I don't know, but it's kind of like, you know, 0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:16.840 we had our niche and we kind of were able 0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:21.240 to have a living and you know, I just feel 0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:28.520 now like I'm so pessimistic about the music industry and 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:31.440 streaming and it makes me not want to play music. 0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:34.839 You want to take your ball and go home? 0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:35.279 I do? 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:41.440 I know? All right? Well can I Okay? So the 0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:43.600 thing is, I'm I feel. 0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:46.759 Like I'm working for Lucian Grange, you know, like I'm 0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:47.399 his boy. 0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:48.360 Weren't we always? 0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:49.800 I guess. 0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:52.719 Weren't we all? 0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:56.160 What this is leading to is as a member of 0:46:56.960 --> 0:47:01.360 rock and Wall of Fame and whatnot, like in terms 0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:04.640 of making sure that these pioneering bands also get there. 0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:08.040 Would that mean anything to you to this point to 0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:11.080 get that last like, does that mean anything? 0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:14.080 What rock and roll Hall of Fame? Yeah, I don't know. 0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:17.520 It seems kind of meaningless in a certain way, like 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:21.520 it's sort of a popularity contrast, Like it's not it 0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:25.560 doesn't seem anymore to be about like people who had 0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:29.799 significant impact or now it's just like, oh, they sold 0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:30.879 a lot of records. 0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:35.319 I know, but I'm just saying, like what And I 0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:38.040 know it's a weird question, like will you allow yourself 0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:41.799 to really enjoy getting the flowers or just. 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:45.360 Uh, I guess. I mean when I was nominated for Grammys, 0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:47.680 I was even saying that I was kind of like, 0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:52.680 I hate the Grammys. It's just this music industry thing 0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:57.120 that I've never paid attention to my whole life. And 0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:01.799 you know, I don't quite It's it's nothing I like 0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:06.680 about the music about music is the industry. But at 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:09.480 the same time, I did feel it was kind of 0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:16.400 fun to be recognized, you know, outside of my ghetto whatever. 0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:22.160 Well, because I think what's happening now is that all 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:25.439 that you influenced. Have you allowed yourself to see that 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:28.799 the influence is real? And again I'm asking you as 0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:32.959 a person who eighty percent of the time an act 0:48:33.000 --> 0:48:33.719 comes up to me. 0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:35.480 And says, oh my god, you changed our lives and 0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:37.440 da da da da, and. 0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:42.520 Yeah, the pre therapy me would just basically like, well, 0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:45.880 if I was so important, then why am I playing? 0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:49.000 You know, Kalamazoo Michigan State Fair and da da da dah. 0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:51.520 Like there was a part where I actually let that 0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:53.960 get to me. But then there's also a part where 0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:58.320 I realized that I might evaded in my own kind 0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:01.839 of sabotaging if you even though I'm still going on 0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:04.919 the path to I don't know where it is I'm 0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:07.560 supposed to be going, but I'm just one. 0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:08.120 Day at a time. 0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:11.080 But You're gonna have a kid. 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:16.680 That's the that's the that's the reward. Let me ask 0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:17.960 you these last few questions. 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:22.799 So one, how hard is it to embrace a new 0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:28.840 pivot once you've established yourself in and sort of flag 0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:33.440 planet your legacy in one area, which of course is 0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:37.759 in sonic youth, like in walking away from all those 0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:38.720 things and it being. 0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:40.160 In your rear view mirror. 0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:44.440 And not being jaded and cynical, Like how do you 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:48.719 embrace other pivots that you want to do? Like how 0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:52.120 do you view collaborations now? Because collaborations were a big 0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:54.280 part of that world you came from. 0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:57.759 I mean it's been fairly kind of easy in a 0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:02.880 way because you know, like I accidentally made a solo record, 0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:04.560 and then I made another and another. 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:06.880 How do you accidentally a solo record? 0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:11.880 Well? I met justin raised and through his brother. Okay, 0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:13.759 Like we were sitting next to each other at a 0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:16.680 restaurant and we suddenly found ourselves. 0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:17.719 That's how it came to be. 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:22.759 Yeah, this girl started talking about their sex lives and 0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:26.319 tables were really close together, and we all looked at 0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:29.560 each other and like I was with this friend of mine. 0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:33.080 I don't know, And then we just started talking and 0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:36.520 he was like, oh, my brother's a producer. He worked 0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:39.520 this guy Ferrara, and like I don't care, you know, 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:43.919 like that's not my world, right, But then his brother 0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:46.279 dm me and he said he was working on this 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:50.600 Lawrence roth Brune record and they were having to people 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:54.080 come in and do vocals and he kept sending me stuff, 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:58.960 and I finally he sent me something. I felt, Okay, 0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:02.320 I can could be interesting. I should be open. 0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:08.280 Right when you collaborate with people, are you one familiar 0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:11.960 with the worlds that they come from or is it 0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:14.240 just hey, let's see what happens. 0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:18.319 Well, I don't usually collaborate with people that much, and 0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:24.040 so what happened was I was pretty skeptical, actually, but 0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:32.720 I did these vocals and he he took the leftovers 0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:36.640 and he made this trashy drum beat to go with 0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:40.520 it and send it to me, and I was kind 0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:42.920 of like, oh wow, this is kind of cool, Like 0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:47.919 he really understands my sensibility. And so I went back 0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:50.680 and did more vocals and put some guitar har down 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:55.920 and that song became Murdered Out okay. And then about 0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:59.200 six months later we just started working together and he 0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:03.600 Justin's wild, but I I he does come from like 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:07.800 punk rock, East Coast roots, and he you know, you 0:52:07.880 --> 0:52:11.680 haven't seen New Sonic cute and blah blah blah anyway, 0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:15.680 so we just he kind of just gets my vocal style, 0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:18.440 and I know I can go in with anything and 0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:22.120 he'll make it into basically. 0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:25.360 You talk about how the Collective Project came to be 0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:30.520 in terms of, like it's kind of DNA into a 0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:34.759 world of hip hop that really sounds natural, Like it 0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:38.880 sounds awesome if I say so myself. 0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:42.359 Thanks. I mean, he and his brother do like hip 0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:45.440 hop's beats and stuff for people, his brother more than 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:46.120 he does. 0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:47.800 Cherry. 0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:52.080 I'm not a natural singer, you know, so I have 0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:55.440 a limited range, and so I get really inspired and 0:52:55.480 --> 0:53:01.719 I use things like space and rhythm and articulation. 0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:02.839 You know. 0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:06.520 That's so I was. You know, I was really happy 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:09.880 to actually work work the beats on it, and then 0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:14.200 I would add my dissonant stuff, which you don't really 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:17.080 hear in hip hop so much when they turn the 0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:21.440 rockets like three chord, like power cards. 0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:22.840 Hip hop, the supermarket music. 0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:26.320 Now, yeah, but I guess now like people are listening 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:30.600 to like Chewgazing, well, are you the influenced kind of 0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.479 putting a sampling a lot of that? Funny? It's funny enough. 0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:35.319 I'm going to ask you the question that I hate 0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:38.400 when people ask me this question. You could pass if not. 0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:41.759 Is there anyone new that you listen to now? Like 0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:45.320 I hope that one day you and Tyler the creator 0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:49.040 run across each other, like it's interesting. 0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:51.920 He's always saying he's that a little like Tyler in this. 0:53:52.840 --> 0:53:56.000 Yeah, I was going to say, like you, you and Tyler, 0:53:56.239 --> 0:54:00.759 I think that that that should be a that's a 0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:04.879 project that I can almost Yeah, you guys should work 0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:05.439 with each other. 0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:08.640 I'm open to that. I mean I'm always a little 0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:12.600 like skeptical of like, yeah, working with someone with a 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:16.400 big name, you know, like I did something with model homes. 0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:20.200 You know, this guy's experimentally. Okay, two guys, Yeah, we 0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:20.840 made a single. 0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:22.319 I love that. 0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:26.400 Now Tyler is a big name, it's a paralleled universe, 0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:28.839 but his beginnings are very. 0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:29.960 Much like it's. 0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:34.640 It's the downtown scene, like literally a collective, just the 0:54:34.680 --> 0:54:36.880 West Coast hip hop version of whatever you want to 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:40.200 call it, the Mumblecred movement or right right, his version 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:42.920 of Dogma ninety five. Like, I believe that both of 0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:46.800 you have your roots almost in the same parallel universe. 0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:50.440 Can you tell me how you got involved in the 0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:53.360 Chronology of Water project with Christian Stewart. 0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:56.600 Yeah, just I mean I knew Kristen a little bit, 0:54:56.880 --> 0:55:01.480 and uh, she just came over asked me if I 0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:04.800 would do the small part in her film and explained 0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:07.759 what it was, send me the script, and it just 0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:10.279 seems you know, fun I mean, I like her a lot, 0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:15.319 immense respect for her, and she's very articulate about what 0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:18.960 she wants and you know she yeah, just super smart. 0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:23.080 Now I know that you've revisited your first memoir, Yes, 0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:26.760 Golden Band, Why did you find it necessary to update 0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:27.400 the story? 0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:32.360 Just the editor had the idea to put out a 0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:36.919 ten year anniversary. Got it of it so and asked 0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:38.040 if i'd write a new chapter? 0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:39.239 Got it? 0:55:39.400 --> 0:55:44.600 Yeah, how cathartic was the whole process of unluding what 0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:47.600 it felt like to be in the experience from your 0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:48.560 point of view? 0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:52.360 I liked, I mean, I like writing it. Sometimes I 0:55:52.400 --> 0:55:54.839 feel like it's the only way I know what I'm 0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:59.759 thinking is when I start writing and stuff comes out. 0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:03.080 Who's that? Got it? 0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:07.640 In closing, I'll ask you, what's the one thing that 0:56:07.680 --> 0:56:10.600 you hope that your peers say about you? 0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:16.520 I don't know that I'm funny, okay. I mean there's 0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:19.919 a lot of humor in especially the new record. And yeah, 0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:23.400 I think people think of me as like super serious. 0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:28.640 I feel like as I get older, I'm not as serious. 0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:30.480 What's the one thing that the press never says about 0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:31.799 you that you wish we knew about you? 0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:34.799 Is that you have a sense of humor. Yeah, I 0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:36.160 guess so well. 0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:39.920 I thank you for answering my crazy questions, and I 0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:43.440 thank you for everything that you represented. And I know 0:56:43.520 --> 0:56:46.000 that sometimes when you're in this position you feel like 0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:51.719 no one's paying attention, or from one person that looked 0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:56.400 at a Moses figure that ushered in a movement, I 0:56:56.480 --> 0:56:58.000 just want to say thank you for that, like I 0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:01.520 was paying attention, and I appreciate your your work and 0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:02.400 your artistry. 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:05.440 Oh thanks, I appreciate that makes me happy. 0:57:05.560 --> 0:57:08.879 The very cool Kim Gordon on The Quest Love Show 0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:10.840 and I'll see you guys on the next Proground. 0:57:10.600 --> 0:57:12.839 Mutual to you a swell thank you. 0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:19.840 The Quest Love Show is hosted by me a Mere 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:24.320 quest Love Thompson. The executive producers are Sean g Brian 0:57:24.400 --> 0:57:30.360 Calhoun and Me. 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